Our friend is China

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“In the US, they are planning to incite Russia against China. Americans with the filing of the very legendary Henry Kissinger intend to encourage us to attack our huge neighbor. It is perhaps unnecessary to explain that Russia is not going to quarrel with China for the sake of America’s interests, whatever the talker Donald Trump promised us.

Look closely at the big bloggers, politicians and journalists who will shout that "China is our enemy." With a high degree of probability, such activity is generously paid from overseas, with all the ensuing consequences ”(fritzmorgen.livejournal).






You know, I want to cry: aha! No, not even that: AHA! Revealed the secret and secret plan of evil Americans to incite Russia to China. That is, if someone somewhere in the Russian press speaks negatively about China, this means only and exclusively one thing: this activity is generously paid off from overseas, and the blogger’s stigma is definitely “into the cannon”.

Such is the case. So we opened the "world conspiracy" - who writes against China in the press, he is definitely an agent of the State Department. Otherwise it can not be. It’s just that the last years of 15 (if not more) are being painted to us about the prospects of Russian-Chinese cooperation, they call China a strategic partner, and Xi and Putin are smiling merrily with photos.

At first glance: what doubts can there be? Russia and China are absolutely inevitably bound to form a kind of “alliance” that opposes any “radishes” from the West there ... Russian propaganda has worked in this vein (especially after 2014). And everything was simple, understandable and logical. And then there was a "surprise".

“In September, 2018, the head of the representative office of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation in China, said that Chinese banks had joined the US and EU sanctions against Russia and began to refuse to conduct transactions involving Russian companies.”

This is our “Peking duck with sauce” that turned out, in fact, this one sentence completely refutes all the fact that all these years we have been “rubbed” about China.

That is, here is a "unexpected". But in principle, even earlier, after the introduction of sanctions in 2014, representatives of Vnesheconombank loudly declared ... that Chinese bankers do not give us loans, they do not. And somehow it sounded dull then, without an accent. Without continuation. Well, do not give and do not give.

In fact, everything is much more serious. Much. Here, I'm sorry, but the position of China just leads me in terrible amazement. For obvious reasons, America could not be the “friend and ally” of the Chinese people. That is, having already somewhere in the 20 percent of world production, America continued to consume 40-50 percent of the world pie (more recently!). That's exactly what explained the highest standard of living in the US (not everyone, oddly enough!). That is, a departure from the model of colonial exploitation of the whole world has in fact definitely led to a sharp drop in the standard of living in the United States. Any large and strong independent state like China, Russia, Iran inevitably (by the very fact of its existence!) Challenged American hegemony.

That is, the Americans are not satisfied with any specific policies of Moscow, Beijing, Tehran, Baghdad, but the fact of their presence on the map. Any strong state will sharply and categorically oppose a “non-equivalent exchange,” that is, beads in exchange for gold, dollar bills in exchange for oil. Namely, this is the basis of Western welfare. That, in principle, automatically made Moscow and Beijing allies.

And at the moment of a geopolitical crisis of unprecedented proportions, the Chinese leadership eventually decides to impose international (and in fact American) sanctions against Russia. Somehow this very decision is underestimated by many (both in the framework of Russian-Chinese relations, and in general in the framework of international politics). Thus, China demonstrates two things. First: the significance of relations with the United States for him is an order of magnitude greater than the significance of relations with Russia. Just fine, but then what kind of "alliance" can we talk about? Second, even in the conditions of the most severe confrontation with the USA, he is not ready to pursue a truly independent foreign policy.

“The embarrassment became apparent about 1,5 a year ago, when the activity of Chinese financial institutions was decreasing, when it came to working with Russian clients. As a result, Chinese financial institutions began to block corporate transfers. He noted that “it is still possible to open a company, but it is impossible to open a bank account in China with a Russian passport”.
“In China Merchant Bank, Russian customers were asked to“ pick up the money, close the accounts, leave and never return ”(Skymax managing partner Igor Shibanov).


Something like this “friendship” and such “partnership” we have with “Great China”. Suddenly, yes? Well, like, yes, completely unexpected. Nobody expected any “super-help” from China, but, as already mentioned, it was supposed that we were “on the same side” stories". So, along the way, it turned out that it was still different. Which, frankly, causes sincere bewilderment. Is China planning to sail alone? Or how?

You know, now a little “tired” here is the most “limited” cooperation that we are offered, that is, cooperation in certain areas. That is, "great China" is interested in cooperation in the military-political field? And what will it look like in reality? That is, it turns out that China is simply a very large country interested in working with Russia on certain issues (very separate)?

But, forgive, then it is impossible to speak about any "alliance". Then each such “separate” question will be carefully studied in the Kremlin for its benefit / disadvantage for Russia. By the way, yes, the Power of Siberia gas pipeline, which takes us away from dependence only on the European gas market, is really beneficial for Russia. This is if you look strategically. That is why European diplomats have made some efforts to block it.

But what next? What else? What else can we do? Basically there was a certain commonality of positions around North Korea. But that North Korea is much more interesting to China (for historical and geographical reasons), but not to Russia. They say that Russia is “busy” with “insignificant” Ukraine, well, yes, and China, in the same way, is “busy” with North Korea. In fact - even less significant. Cause? Close historical ties of China and Korea. So this is not an example.

Here, again, they are actively confusing theory with practice: yes, Russia and China are side by side, they complement each other quite well and could cooperate. But in practice, everything looks a little different. The trouble here is in the absence of China’s genuine national strategy, designed for decades to come. The reason he imposed sanctions in the banking sector against Russia is simple: China is economically very closely tied to the States and categorically does not want to quarrel with them.

That is, China does not have any “independent” policy (as it turned out!). He really “pumps” his economy, and this is certainly good, he places his military bases on the sea trade routes. It is actively invested in various sectors around the world. But "without the permission of the Americans," he will not give loans to Russia. So it goes. That is America запретила they do it, and they do not.

That is, as it turned out, China is quite living in a "unipolar" world and feels great there. And within the framework of this very "unipolar world" he is trying to defend his interests. No more and no less. The strategy is really controversial: China already too big for the Americans to “not notice”. The Chinese leadership has such an illusion that the line of super-fast development for Western loans can be extended indefinitely. Alas, it is not. This very “line” is already irrevocably ended. The United States has begun to "contain" China.

Our friend is China


And this line in the US-China relations will prevail. By the way, it is useful to read the English-speaking Chinese press (and even just watch the caricatures) - the Chinese are well aware that America is implementing a “strategy for surrounding China”. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, Australia, Vietnam, Malaysia, India ... All these countries “surround” China, as it were, and all these countries have political / territorial contradictions with it.

And behind all this is America. Well, how else? Each play needs its own director. And now, being in such an “elegant” strategic environment, China introduces (and in fact it is!) Economic sanctions against Russia. Shot "in the leg" counted.

“Some Chinese commercial banks broadly interpret third-country sanctions against Russia, said Vladimir Danilov, head of the Central Bank’s office in China. In September, it was reported that commercial Chinese banks often cite Western sanctions as a reason for refusing to service payments of Russian bank customers. ”

That is, in fact (despite the American political pressure on China itself), Chinese banks play in the western financial field according to Western rules. Well, it's good and great, someone will say. Yes, how to say. America (unlike the USSR-Russia) has never recognized Taiwan / Tibet as part of China. From the point of view of the Americans, Tibet is “occupied”, and they support the independence of Taiwan by military-political means right up to sending carrier aircraft carriers. In the West, they actively support the Uighur struggle for their rights and curse the Chinese repressions. At the same time, for China, territorial integrity (including Taiwan!) Is something extremely important and not subject to discussion, and so, for some reason, as a result, economic considerations in China prevail over political ones. That is, if you really simplify: American dollars are much more important for them than the question of their own territorial integrity (the country great!)

And according to the results, they introduce economic “Crimean” sanctions against Russia (which, of course, recognizes their territorial integrity), together with the United States (which their territorial integrity does not recognize in principle). Perhaps, Russia should also somewhat “correct” its foreign policy, since for some reason, Russia’s unambiguous support of China in matters of principle for some reason did not bring Russia any dividends, nor does it bring any prospects in this matter. Russia (unlike so many countries) never did not consider Taiwan separately from China. China, in gratitude, not only did not recognize the Crimea (what about the Chinese superpower?), But also transmitted US economic sanctions on Russian counterparties.

You know, it seems that we are doing something wrong. In the sense - absolutely wrong. That is, the fact that such a difference in positions between the US and the USSR / RF in Uiguria / Tibet / Taiwan did not bring Russia / USSR in general no political dividends and did not prevent the establishment of closest partnerships between Beijing and Washington (that is, the Chinese do not even require changing the US position on these issues as a condition for the continuation of the dialogue!). This indicates that international politics is not as simple and straightforward as many commentators think.

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  1. +42
    18 February 2019 05: 36
    Our friend is China

    Do you recall the quotes of Mao, whose teaching is a red thread in the CCP program? We are a friend of China like grains for chicken. Someone can give an example when the Chinese leadership, not by words but by real actions, supported the Russian Federation in solving problems? We were lulled by the whispering of cheap Chinese labor, we began to be touched by a love of the Russian language and ice cream, but the mentality of the Russian (Russian) people is fundamentally different from the Chinese. I do not believe that China may be interested in anything other than vacant territory. This is not published in Russia with maps where the Chinese lands are painted in the color of the Russian Federation ... Not Russian businessmen are clearing the forest lands of Siberia and the Far East without regard to the consequences ... I can not believe such friendship ... No.
    1. +3
      18 February 2019 07: 06
      Be that as it may, but sometimes, the Chinese simply respect.
      1. -1
        18 February 2019 07: 55
        Quote: Dead Day
        Be that as it may, but sometimes, the Chinese simply respect.

        Damn this is a fake, how could you buy an account?
    2. +23
      18 February 2019 07: 28
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I do not believe that China may be interested in anything other than vacant territory.

      And I always said that we need a pragmatic approach to China and we need to keep an eye on them acutely .. Everyone should be judged by deeds and not look at words and idle talk, this also applies to foreign and domestic politics ..
      1. +1
        18 February 2019 07: 30
        Quote: Svarog
        Everyone and all the time to evaluate by deeds, and not look at words and idle talk

        you’re spelling right in the bible ... hi
      2. +8
        18 February 2019 09: 37
        Quote: Svarog
        And I always said that we need a pragmatic approach to China and we need to keep an eye on them acutely .. Everyone should be judged by deeds and not look at words and idle talk, this also applies to foreign and domestic politics ..

        Well, what is this rare case when I cannot disagree with Svarog! No questions asked. + If anyone remembers, then for the most part I have said more than once what is written in the article. True, I cannot say that in our country there is so much talk in official structures about "Russian and Chinese brothers forever." Good and good-neighborly relations, yes, but alliance and alliance ... China with the West will butt for the time being. The only question is, what are the West's own costs ready to go? With a strong desire to replace the "factory of cheap capitalist labor" under the leadership of "Chinese communists" the West will certainly do it. The CCP understands this very well. About the great communist China, only Zyuganov speaks with aspiration biting his lips. The PRC can be the same situational partner as Turkey and Iran - everyone! I assure you, except for Zyuganov, everyone understands this. I think that the head of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation knows about this, but ... - China is "communist"! smile
        1. +8
          18 February 2019 12: 16
          Interesting situation winked , on many issues I disagree with Cheslav hi
          (I don’t go into idle talk, because I usually read belatedly), but the fact that “China can be the same situational partner as Turkey and Iran is all!” is definitely correct. It seems that most of the opinions on China do not differ.
          And here you need to be very careful in the relationship. In order not to repeat the situation when the Third Reich, the supply of raw materials continued until the immediate declaration of war.
          The experience of cooperation with China in our laboratory led to the fact that they copied and patented our device ... the benefit is that without brain firmware it’s just a set of elements ... Cooperation has been terminated, although they wish to continue.
          1. 0
            18 February 2019 14: 00
            Quote: volodimer
            The experience of cooperation with China in our laboratory led to the fact that they copied and patented our device ... the benefit is that without brain firmware it’s just a set of elements ... Cooperation has been terminated, although they wish to continue.

            In this regard, the country is unique! Copying everything and everything on a national scale, you already know this is akin to ideology and the way of managing. By the way, who cares, you can easily find information on the patronage of American PMCs over Chinese ... So then!
            1. +1
              18 February 2019 18: 26
              Cheslav, I, too, Svaroga plyusanul today. Ear Vostro with China. The article suggests the idea of ​​supranational governance in relation to China. If you look at the whole process, you get the feeling that China is not controlled by China? What is it being artificially prepared for something? What is the role of China in the near future?
      3. +5
        18 February 2019 14: 12
        “In September, 2018, the head of the representative office of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation in China, said that Chinese banks had joined the US and EU sanctions against Russia and began to refuse to conduct transactions involving Russian companies.”


        The author is in American dollars, and this is understandable and normal, the United States does not want the enemy to take loans and make settlements in their currency, Chinese banks are built into the global financial system and China trades billions of dollars with the United States, but no one forbade the United States either in principle, they can’t give out loans and trade in nat. currencies, which, in principle, is now being done.
        Yes, with China you need to keep your eyes open and this is also normal, each country pursues its own interests.
        For reference, in 2018, trade between Russia and China amounted to $ 108, an increase of 283% ($ 490) compared to 396.

        Russia's exports to China in 2018 amounted to 56 065 497 236 US dollars, an increase of 44,05% (17 143 453 669 US dollars) compared to the 2017 year.

        Russian imports from China in 2018 amounted to 52 217 993 160 US dollars, an increase of 8,69% (4 175 693 001 US dollars) compared to the 2017 year.

        If China, as a partner, is a very good partner.
    3. +21
      18 February 2019 07: 50
      Quote: ROSS 42
      We are the same friend of China as the grain for chicken.
      In distant school years, it has been heard that war between socialist countries is impossible. But China refuted this by the events on Damansky and the war with socialist Vietnam. In this regard, the question arises, is China a socialist country at all? China has territorial claims to all neighboring countries, and does not hide this. After the unilateral transfer of territories by Russia, the so-called "border demarcation" in 2005, we gave the Chinese some of our border lands. The latest demarcation protocols for this part of the border were signed in 2008. Russia handed over to China half of the Bolshoy Ussuriisk, Tarabarov and a plot on the island of Bolshoy, only about 350 square kilometers of Russian land. But this is not enough, further, the Chinese side insisted on shifting the border line into the territory of Russia, already in the mountainous Altai. As a result, the area of ​​possible exclusion of Russian territory could reach 17 hectares ... A country with territorial claims, a priori potential aggressor. Now, is there in China the spirit of internationalism, one of the unacceptable conditions of communist ideology, if there are "communists" and "socialism"? Alas, in China the spirit of nationalism is strong, where the idea of ​​the exclusive role of their country has been characteristic of the Chinese since ancient times, and turning China into an industrial monster with undisguised global ambitions should hardly inspire optimism in our Far East, our empty border. Again, even under Yeltsin, our "doves of peace" agreed to withdraw troops from the border to the north, 100 kilometers, the Chinese, respectively, to the south. Our troops actually left their fortified areas and retreated "into the taiga", while the Chinese did not lose anything here, having an extensive border infrastructure more suitable for attack than for defense, including many kilometers of underground tunnels towards the Russian border, allowing secretly concentrating and transferring troops ... Strange as it may seem, the capitalist West has not only made "red" China an outcast, with their "commies", no boycott, isolation, serious sanctions, on the contrary, the PRC helped to pump up industrial power. The current capitalist Russia, which looked into the mouth of the West in its bourgeoisie with the oligarchs, is now being stifled by sanctions, made an outcast, but "communist" China is not, moreover, they turned a blind eye to the theft of technologies, copyright infringement in double piracy with fakes. Nothing disturbs the West, even the so-called rights and freedoms in China. Why all this? Maybe because "socialism" in China is the same as that of Hitler's German workers' National Socialist Party, and from China, as in their time from Nazi Germany, they make anti-USSR, anti-Russia, already in the east. .. It is naive to think that the Chinese "national communists" will lead their soldiers across the oceans to the United States, when the rich and empty lands of Russia are nearby, with fools and traitors who sell the latest military developments and make concessions to the "ally" and "friend" who is smiling at us , for the time being.
      You know, it seems that we are doing something wrong. In the sense - absolutely wrong.
      1. +8
        18 February 2019 08: 34
        The PRC helped to pump up industrial power. The current capitalist Russia, which looked into the mouth of the West in its bourgeoisie with the oligarchs, is now being stifled by sanctions, made an outcast, but "communist" China is not, moreover, they turned a blind eye to the theft of technologies, copyright infringement in double piracy with fakes. Nothing worries the West, not even the so-called rights and freedoms in China.


        By the way, yes - everything is so
        But it’s very unlikely that their goal is the bright future of China.
        1. +6
          18 February 2019 14: 49
          For once, Oleg agrees with your article. hi China is no friend to us; in the USSR it was not in vain that they held a force of thousands in the East. Now China has stepped forward, the Chinese army now, this is not the 80s Chinese army. Now China is actively continuing to build up its armed forces, and is positioning this as a supposed counterbalance to the United States. This is utter nonsense, because confrontation with the USA means confrontation with the whole world for China, including the monarchies of BV. And this instantly knocks out the base from under the Chinese economy, as it is almost entirely exported to the western world. China will not chop the branch on which it sits. The situation is more reminiscent of the end of the 30s of the last century, when Germany almost swore to the USSR eternal friendship, and was building up an army supposedly against the West. How it ended, everyone remembers.
          In addition, as the Russian proverb says, if a gun hangs on a wall, then it will shoot sooner or later. So the Chinese army will fight sooner or later. The question is against whom? War, by its very nature, aims at a military prize. What prize can China count on in a war with the United States? Territories fall away, the enemy overseas, and technologically more advanced. India? A population of more than a billion and the presence of nuclear weapons. Vietnam (revenge), Thailand, Laos? Nonsense, zero resources, a bunch of hemorrhoids.
          The only adversary from which, as a result of victory, he can get a military prize, besides hemorrhoids, is Russia, which has a population density in the Urals ten times lower than in the European part. But the saturation of resources on the contrary, beyond the Urals is higher.
          So while they are trying to get their trade, but someday they still decide that they have enough strength to take what they want by force.
          The article is a good, definite plus.hi
          P.S. To opponents with an argument about the presence of nuclear weapons in our country, I advise you to recall the incident at Damansky. They climbed seriously in spite of a stronger army and nuclear weapons.
          1. +1
            18 February 2019 17: 40
            Nonsense, resources zero, a lot of hemorrhoids.
            The only adversary from which, as a result of victory, he can get a military prize, besides hemorrhoids, is Russia, which has a population density in the Urals ten times lower than in the European part. But the saturation of resources on the contrary, beyond the Urals is higher.


            I do not know, not sure if honest.
            Vangovanie - not my forte.
            But nuclear weapons will stop them.
            1. +4
              18 February 2019 18: 44
              Quote: Olezhek
              Vangovanie - not my forte.

              This is not a gang, but a logic and analysis of the situation. wink
              Quote: Olezhek
              But nuclear weapons will stop them.

              I do not know if "our" effective managers will decide to use it. request
      2. +2
        18 February 2019 10: 35
        Quote: Per se.
        It is naive to think that the Chinese "national communists" will lead their soldiers across the oceans to the United States, when the rich and empty lands of Russia are nearby, with fools and traitors who sell the latest military developments and make concessions to the "ally" and "friend" who is smiling at us , for the time being. In this regard, Oleg Egorov's article is as relevant as such words.
        You know, it seems that we are doing something wrong. In the sense - absolutely wrong.

        It is naive to think in such a way as to call Russian people, including those in power, so categorically offensive. Let's start with the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty. China is protesting. Russia seems to be protesting too, but ... The US withdrawal from the treaty is beneficial to Russia, both from a military and political point of view. Russia has the opportunity and, moreover, is already correcting the irresponsible decisions of the communist Gorbachev. The USSR lost the Cold War, but Russia is winning it. In short - Russia will not reorient most missiles towards the European theater of war. Europe is not painful for the United States. To reason with American politicians, it is necessary to create a clear threat to the United States itself. This will be perfectly done by 10 Sarmat ICBMs with maximum load ... Poseidons will insure them. Well, the theater of operations euro will be covered by medium-range missiles. The gap between the United States and Russia in hypersonic weapons is clearly not compensated for by medium-range missiles in Europe. The flight time of an average rocket from Europe to Moscow is approximately equal to the flight time of a hypersonic rocket from the Urals to any point in the United States. But medium-range missiles from Europe to the Urals will not reach the Urals for sure! So, that Russians in power and near power are fools and traitors ?! Americans, what are the total fools ?! The Americans seriously support their defense industry ... Russia is not getting involved in an arms race. It is building up its combat power ... Who will blame Russia for taking advantage of the strategic mistakes of the American leadership? And what about China? But China got nervous ... Why do you think? China entered the INF Treaty? Well, now the United States has no obligations on this in the region of interest to them ... China will not be able to sit by the river and observe the water surface in the hope of seeing the enemy's corpse floating by. No, China has come to the river, but the place on the bank has already been taken ... Anyone who really wants to call the Russian government fools and traitors, I recommend remembering the winged words of the Russian Emperor Alexander 3, they painfully reflect the realities of our time: "When the Russian Tsar is fishing fish, Europe can wait. " "In the whole world, we have only two loyal allies - our army and navy. All the rest will take up arms against us at the first opportunity." "Our homeland undoubtedly needs a strong and well-equipped army, standing at the height of modern development of military affairs, but not for aggressive purposes, but solely to protect the integrity and state honor of Russia." Russia has ceased to concentrate and has again taken its rightful place in the world.
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    4. -2
      18 February 2019 07: 50
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Do you recall the quotes of Mao, whose teaching is a red thread in the CCP program?

      And you recall that when Mao said these words, the head of our state was the killer of the communist movement around the world, Nikita Sergeevich?

      Quote: ROSS 42
      Not Russian businessmen are clearing the forest lands of Siberia and the Far East

      This is done by "our" officials and "our" deputies adopting such laws that allow anyone to commit outrage in our land.

      Do not forget who benefits from a quarrel between us and China and that the control center for peace is being transferred from the United States to China. If nothing is done, we will at best have the fate of Canada.
      1. +1
        18 February 2019 08: 15
        Do not forget who benefits from arguing with China


        Uzhoz uzhos ....
        Is it possible for the one whose name ... belay
      2. -3
        18 February 2019 10: 41
        Quote: Boris55
        the world control center is being transferred from the USA to China.

        This will never be in the country just copying everything and everything!
        1. +7
          18 February 2019 13: 17
          Quote: Cheslav Czursky
          This will never be in the country just copying everything and everything!

          Such a phrase was relevant 20-30 years ago. Well, in the end, it’s better to have hundreds of copies of something than a couple of prototype originals.
  2. +10
    18 February 2019 05: 41
    Well, why be surprised? Everyone acts to his advantage.
    1. +10
      18 February 2019 05: 59
      "Russian and Chinese - brothers forever"!
      Only profit appeared and friendship and brotherhood ended!
    2. 0
      18 February 2019 09: 09
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Well, why be surprised? Everyone acts to his advantage.

      And then the same. Won Gazprombank blocked Venezuelan state oil company accounts, and silence laughing . And why are Chinese banks worse than Russian?
      1. +7
        18 February 2019 11: 31
        Quote: Semurg
        Gazprombank blocked Venezuelan state oil company accounts

        Do not spread the lie.

        Venezuelan PDVSA denies information about freezing accounts at Gazprombank https://ria.ru/20190218/1550997574.html
  3. +13
    18 February 2019 05: 44
    First: the value of relations with the United States for him exceeds the importance of relations with Russia by an order of magnitude

    Shock content.
    In general, given their trade, at least it would be strange to think that we are closer to them amers. .
    1. +12
      18 February 2019 07: 37
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      In general, given their turnover, it would be at least strange to think that we are closer to them amers ...

      If we take, by and large, we are the Chinese - an eyesore that looks at a vast, unpopulated territory. Sooner or later, these ambitions will begin to be realized. The population decline in Russia is visible with the naked eye. Sorry, but in a quarter of a century it has gone !!! several million, although the rules should have been at least !!! not shrink.
      1. -7
        18 February 2019 07: 46
        Quote: ROSS 42
        we are Chinese - a thorn in the eye that looks at a vast, uninhabited territory

        Guarded territory. Therefore - see the fable "The Fox and the Grapes".

        Quote: ROSS 42
        Sooner or later, these ambitions will be realized

        A good forecast, like Khoja Nasreddin with an asshole about.

        Quote: ROSS 42
        The population decline in Russia is visible with the naked eye

        We are assured here that Ukraine is more alive than all the living. Although the population decline there is much larger than in the Russian Federation. Are they lying?

        Quote: ROSS 42
        although the rules should have been at least !!! not shrink

        Do you come up with the rules? The country survived the war, no worse than the Great Patriotic War ...

        Quote: ROSS 42
        If you take by and large ...

        ... then someone here irresponsibly sweeps his tongue. And I even know roughly who Yes
        1. +6
          18 February 2019 15: 01
          Quote: Consultant
          Do you come up with the rules?

          Formally, Kitty you are right, there is a gain, although not a big one. request But if you think about where the gain comes from? This year (in 2019) 270 thousand people died, and only 248 thousand people were born. Tell me where the growth came from?
          I don’t know about you, but I don’t like SUCH population growth in my country. hi
          1. 0
            21 February 2019 19: 59
            You, as always, clutch at what is closer to you. Statistics of 2019 - so far nothing, less is born in winter than dies. This, my friend, is the law of nature.

            That year will end - please, discuss ... in detail Yes

            PS: stop smoking, I will punish.
            1. 0
              21 February 2019 20: 09
              Quote: Consultant
              That year will end - please, discuss ... in detail

              No question, you can discuss 2018. wink
              Quote: Consultant
              PS: stop smoking, I will punish.
              Will you meow at night under the window? wassat
              1. +1
                21 February 2019 20: 11
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                No question, you can discuss 2018

                After the prompt, it’s not interesting anymore. And since your ability to analyze is well known to me, it’s not interesting at all.

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                You will meow

                A lot of honor to you. But - the Ministry of Health, as they say, warned wink
                1. 0
                  21 February 2019 20: 18
                  Quote: Consultant
                  After the prompt, it’s not interesting anymore.

                  Or simply because against facts on one show off at least stupid? wink
                  Quote: Consultant
                  But - the Ministry of Health, as they say, warned
                  I recall Krylov’s fable ...... laughing
                  1. +1
                    21 February 2019 20: 22
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Or simply because against facts on one show off at least stupid?

                    Do not judge by yourself about others. But there are many things that affect fertility / mortality, and it can be discussed for a long time too ... but, I repeat - with you - it’s stupidly uninteresting request

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    hee hee

                    He laughs well who laughs ... without consequences. Until next time, as the saying goes hi
        2. 0
          21 February 2019 13: 35
          I didn’t survive the war, but now it’s in it - in the midst of this war with the people of Russia, you yourself know who
    2. +7
      18 February 2019 08: 09
      In general, given their trade, at least it would be strange to think that we are closer to them amers. .


      It would be strange (given the trade) that Minsk and Kiev will take an anti-Russian position.
      But that is exactly what happened.
      Why?
      Riddle!
      1. 0
        18 February 2019 10: 34
        You look at the ruins turnover carefully! We were there with 90-s from 25% to 30%, as much as Europe and Asia. Significantly, given the devouring of the Soviet potential, and the need to re-equip production by the 2014 year, they were not so dependent. Belarus to Europe sells 33% of exports, and in the Russian Federation 38%.
        There is a good principle, if you want to be a leader, then you must be ahead of the satellites in terms of economic development. Then they are happy to sell you products of a lower redistribution, which is raw material for you, and they buy various high-tech nishtyaks. This cannot be said about us.))
        1. +2
          18 February 2019 17: 36
          You look at the ruins turnover carefully! We were there with 90-s from 25% to 30%, as much as Europe and Asia. Significantly, given the devouring of the Soviet potential, and the need to re-equip production by the 2014 year, they were not so dependent. Belarus to Europe sells 33% of exports, and in the Russian Federation 38%.


          Both Ukraine and Belarus really earned money only in Russia.
          In other areas - products of low processing mainly.
          1. -1
            19 February 2019 11: 26
            There is no need to write nonsense, until 2014, the main export to the Russian Federation was agricultural products.))
  4. +3
    18 February 2019 05: 46
    A very large and watery introduction to conclude as a result:
    Which indicates that international politics is by no means as simple and unambiguous as it seems to many commentators.
    1. +12
      18 February 2019 05: 58
      The Secret of the Open ... smile all the financial strings in the world lead to Washington and they are pulled there ... forcing all countries and China and Russia and Iran to twitch ... nothing new ... they themselves are to blame for getting into this loop.
      For me, the fact that Sberbank refused to open its branches in the Crimea was indicative ... hehe, this means that the financial structures of Russia are not under its control whatever the Kremlin would say.
      China, as a cunning monkey, wants to fuck both the Russian bear and the American bear alike.
      1. -12
        18 February 2019 06: 53
        For me, indicative was the fact of Sberbank’s refusal to open its branches in the Crimea ... heh heh it means


        And what this fact is indicative of?
        Do you distinguish politics from cheap show off?
        1. +6
          18 February 2019 07: 43
          Quote: Olezhek
          And what this fact is indicative of?
          Do you distinguish politics from cheap show off?

          And you share the right to EVERYONE !!! a citizen of the Russian Federation to enjoy the benefits, services and rights equally throughout the country? belay
          Article 19
          1. All are equal before the law and the court.
          2. The state guarantees the equality of human and civil rights and freedoms, regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official position, place of residence, attitude to religion, beliefs, membership in public associations, as well as other circumstances. Any form of restriction of the rights of citizens on the grounds of social, racial, national, linguistic or religious affiliation is prohibited.
          3. A man and a woman have equal rights and freedoms and equal opportunities for their realization.
          1. -3
            18 February 2019 07: 56
            And you share the right to EVERYONE !!! a citizen of the Russian Federation to enjoy the benefits, services and rights equally throughout the country?


            Would you have with this pathos somewhere on mail.ru or something ...
            Absolutely not clinging.
            generally do not care.
      2. -4
        18 February 2019 07: 57
        China like a cunning monkey wants to fuck


        The trick of China is not at all obvious to me.
        Not the ability to look beyond your own nose - yes.
  5. +8
    18 February 2019 05: 51
    that is, the Chinese do not even demand a change in the US position on these issues as a condition for continuing dialogue!

    Because China respects strength, but despises the weak. Therefore, there will be no equal dialogue between us, they are stronger. Hoping for Chinese altruism is more than stupid and naive. China will eat Russia at the first opportunity, spitting on all the assurances of friendship and partnership. The fate of those who fell under Chinese control will be sad, the Uyghurs are a vivid example of this, Sinization, total control and concentration camps for the disloyal.
    1. 0
      18 February 2019 06: 49
      Because China respects strength, but despises the weak. Therefore, there will be no equal dialogue between us, they will be stronger. Hoping for Chinese altruism is more than silly and naive.


      You know how you would not post obvious nonsense.
      altruizm, dialogue on equal terms
      Not in this case.
      1. +6
        18 February 2019 07: 46
        Quote: Olezhek
        You know how you would not post obvious nonsense.
        altruizm, dialogue on equal terms
        Not in this case.

        So even, my dear man? Realize your right to freedom of thought, enlighten the near (that is, close to you living) citizens ... belay
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      1. -1
        18 February 2019 08: 12
        and what they have ??? Siberia even now take.


        Someone has short-handedness ...
        And for someone it's the opposite, but with a different part of the body.
    3. +6
      18 February 2019 07: 28
      Quote: Puncher
      Because China respects strength, but despises the weak.

      on another who it happens? oh yes ... our government ... we all have "partners". something like "intimacy" reminds ... and not in our favor.
      1. 0
        18 February 2019 07: 57
        Quote: Dead Day
        all of us are "partners". something like "intimacy" reminds ... and not in our favor

        That's for sure ...
      2. +3
        18 February 2019 10: 36
        Do not believe it, but the government is not responsible for foreign policy, only the president.)))
        1. +1
          19 February 2019 18: 25
          Here, for sure, patriots cannot get out; here, even by constitution, the president forms a foreign policy. Otherwise, they would instantly blame all the blame for the failed foreign policy, as well as for the domestic blame on Medvedev, the IMF, Edro, the oligarchs, and at least on anyone, just to secure the guarantor.
  6. +9
    18 February 2019 05: 54
    Business has long become "supranational" -... that China, when, for example, Russian bankers (and not only bankers) support US sanctions-against Crimea and already, against Venezuela .... http: // in24 .org / economics / 35261? utm_source = finobzor.ru
    1. +5
      18 February 2019 10: 24
      Quote: Snail N9
      Business has long been "supranational" -...

      ----------------------------
      The main consumer of Chinese consumer goods is the United States. Donald Fredovich Trump does not philosophize slyly, but simply ordered China to purchase American consumer goods for $ 150 billion, like this, no more and no less. Otherwise, "we will turn off the gas," sorry, we will cut in protective duties on Chinese goods for twice the amount. And since China is not the country of the cheapest goods for 7 years now, the chauvinist Maoists, after scratching their wise turnips, agreed with Comrade Trump. Where to go? Otherwise, why are all these factories aimed at the foreign market? And Donald Fredovich will continue to conduct such a "constructive" trade dialogue with Comrade Xi in order to synchronize the economic positions of the United States and China.
      1. +3
        18 February 2019 11: 47
        Quote: Altona
        Otherwise, "we will turn off the gas," sorry, we will cut in protective duties on Chinese goods for twice the amount. And since China is not the country of the cheapest goods for 7 years now, the chauvinist Maoists, after scratching their wise turnips, agreed with Comrade Trump.

        As far as I remember, China promised to cut reciprocal duties, and they scratched together.
        1. +3
          18 February 2019 13: 29
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          As far as I remember, China promised to cut reciprocal duties, and they scratched together.

          ----------------------------------
          Scratched, but China eventually agreed with Trump's arguments, of course not unconditionally and not without counter-concessions. But this just says that the US market is important to China regardless of any policy. Although counter-attacks in the form of arrests nevertheless came about, the truth was that China somehow recouped in Canada.
          1. +6
            18 February 2019 13: 44
            Quote: Altona
            But this just says that the US market is important to China regardless of any policy.

            It goes without saying that China is currently weaker than the United States, and cannot pursue a completely independent policy, not taking into account the interests of the Americans, but they are not so dependent on the Americans, as Oleg writes here.
            1. 0
              18 February 2019 17: 34
              It goes without saying that China is currently weaker than the United States, and cannot pursue a fully independent policy,


              He is still a little manny and he is offended by evil yankesy ..
  7. +1
    18 February 2019 06: 02
    leave these banks alone already. These are commercial banks and mainly Hong Kong. after the transition from English, the Chinese did not touch them at all. they don’t change anything at all and don’t interfere. they got a free gold mine in which they didn’t smartly change anything there. In fact, Hong Kong is one of the financial capitals of the world that is tied to the West so that any interference there will bring everything down. Consider them not these Chinese financial institutions. but just there. and sanctions and so on, they will always support. . at least another 30 years for sure. while this is a special administrative area will be. and the Chinese authorities have already been tormented with them and will not interfere in their decisions.
    1. +3
      18 February 2019 06: 56
      leave you these banks alone already. These are commercial banks and mostly Hong Kong. after the transition from the British under the Chinese do not touch them at all.
      Consider that they are not Chinese these financial structures. and just there


      That is, the whole Chinese banking system is in fact not Chinese?
      Anthesno girls dance ... four in a row
      1. -1
        18 February 2019 07: 37
        that is exactly what is in fact. legally, Hong Kong is not quite China yet. they don’t even interfere in politics. complete independence but under the protectorate of China. after the transition, which they signed for 50 years. This is the third financial capital of the world. Think for yourself why they do not interfere there.
        1. 0
          18 February 2019 07: 59
          That is, the whole Chinese banking system is in fact not Chinese?

          exactly so in fact it is.


          And at the same time, Ketai is a great power and a rising star of world geopolitics?
          1. 0
            18 February 2019 08: 01
            Well, I understand your irony. only this fact that the third financial capital of the world lives by these rules does not cancel. . only in 2047 will Hong Kong begin to live according to the laws of the PRC. so here is the story.
          2. +4
            18 February 2019 10: 27
            Quote: Olezhek
            And at the same time, Ketai is a great power and a rising star of world geopolitics?

            ---------------------
            Even nowhere else to hear about the successes of Chinese diplomacy. And a socialist system like the USSR, China will not pull and will not pull. China is a closed and self-sufficient chauvinistic country flying a red flag. If necessary, he easily rolls back to the petty-bourgeois position, which is set by the peasant population and wealthy citizens.
    2. 0
      18 February 2019 07: 51
      Gazprombank, which supported the sanctions against Venezuela the same Hong Kong? It seems to me, after such political statements, the leadership of such banks should automatically begin to have problems, so that they do business and do not stick their nose into politics.
      1. -1
        18 February 2019 07: 59
        Well, why not? from a human point of view, I understand you. and so why should they not recognize these sanctions? just because Americans muddy the water there? they will not order, but on what basis?
      2. +3
        18 February 2019 08: 06
        Gazprombank, who supported the sanctions against Venezuela the same Hong Kong?


        1 Major investments in Venezuela were not from Russia
        (surprisingly!)
        2 Venezuelan oil if someone does not know almost completely went to the USA
        surprised?
        3 China has invested much more in Russia than Venezuela
        but Maduro somehow support not rush
        4 In good times, the Chavists somehow did not hurry to put all their eggs in the basket of Gazprombank.
        that is, Venezuelan money there is quite a bit

        As a result, I somehow don’t see much point in giving Gazprombank a noble position because of Maduro.
        How much is Venezuelan money in general?
  8. +1
    18 February 2019 06: 05
    Russia's problems are Russia's problems. In the middle of the XIX century, they united against Russia because they considered it excessively strong. Now its lowered "polarity" rather provokes "predators".
    1. +9
      18 February 2019 06: 48
      In the middle of the XIX century they were united against Russia because they considered it to be excessively strong.


      Rather, British diplomacy worked well.
      Russia in the middle of the 19th century was not too strong even once.
      In industry, failure is obvious to any competent observer.
      1. +6
        18 February 2019 07: 22
        I shake your hand !! 1 they said well, it’s enough to remember the naval affairs, they built in England, the States, France, Germany, Denmark.
  9. +10
    18 February 2019 06: 08
    You know, it seems that we are doing something wrong. In the sense - quite wrong
    .... Somehow I agree .. They promise friendship and cooperation we’re embracing ... They give kicks during friendship, we endure ... And not only with China ...
    1. +9
      18 February 2019 07: 53
      Quote: parusnik
      They give kicks during friendship, we endure ...

      It is as if we are under external control, and the president of the country is the executive director. I will support your thought by adding what an impressionthat all this effective leadership works for some uncle, brainwashing the indigenous people about their competence and some kind of involvement in success, does not leave ... No.
      1. +4
        18 February 2019 10: 33
        Quote: ROSS 42
        It is as if we are under external control, and the president of the country is the executive director.

        --------------------
        Our banks and big business have long been international, foreign directors are there like dirt. As CJSC and PJSC, our banks and state corporations are obliged to pay dividends more than even the possible net profit. The mega-regulator is naturally the Bank of Russia, that is, it monitors the health of this financial vacuum cleaner so that resources are pumped out uniformly and clearly. The government in this case is a purely decorative structure, the Ministry of Finance is just bookkeeping, well, actually our simple management. The President and the Duma with the Federation Council generally have structures for adopting the necessary laws and creating the appearance of democracy.
    2. +1
      18 February 2019 08: 23
      It wasn’t right when they chose EBN !!! Although there was no choice.
  10. +2
    18 February 2019 06: 28
    Yes, it’s extremely wrong to think that China is our friend. What’s wrong with the power of Siberia? or recognition of the Crimea to ours.
  11. +2
    18 February 2019 07: 45
    The facts cited. Of course, emotionally unpleasant. The author creates the opinion that we were betrayed again But still. Recall that our native Sberbank and other large banks refused to enter the Russian Crimea. While in Ukraine, they held on to the last. Last year, trade with China amounted to $ 104 billion. The enterprises paid to each other somehow. Of course it is. It just happened in such a way that Uncle Sam would not be able to stick his long nose in the same way as the rest of the worrying audience. In Moscow, St. Petersburg, and on St. Petersburg trains, the Chinese are black as cockroaches, and for some reason they are willing to buy Russian food and taste products, bringing us income. Therefore, not everything is so obvious.
    1. +1
      18 February 2019 07: 53
      The above facts. Of course, emotionally unpleasant. The author creates an opinion that we were betrayed again.


      The author did not say this once. What does it have to do with emotions?
      Something went wrong in Chinese politics

      Recall that our native Sberbank and other large banks refused to enter the Russian Crimea


      So what? Can you imagine what a serious business is? And show off?

      While in Ukraine, they kept to the last.

      In Ukraine, there were serious investments. And so it is difficult to get up and get out.

      Trade with China last year amounted to 104 billion dollars. Enterprises, however, somehow paid each other. Of course it is. It just happened in such a way that Uncle Sam would not be able to stick his long nose, as much as the rest of the worrying public.


      Can you imagine how this happened?
      The position of the Ketai people are you criminals (Uncle Sam with a long nose said so) therefore all the problems are your problems.


      In Moscow, St. Petersburg, and in St. Petersburg-Moscow trains from the Chinese are black as from cockroaches,

      My cry crying
      1. +1
        18 February 2019 08: 49
        I read your analysis. You have not understood anything. On the first point. "Something is wrong in Chinese politics ..." The main principle of sofa strategists is to think globally and at the same time use significant innuendo. "Do you have any idea how it happened? ..." I can't imagine, and I shouldn't - precisely because Uncle Sam's policy forces enterprises to hide the methods of payment among themselves. You did not understand that I just wanted to show by comparing the absence of our banks in Crimea and their presence in Ukraine. that political wishes are one thing, and the harsh laws of business are another. The Chinese want to trade with us, they are not allowed to do it directly - they have come up with ways (104 billion is proof. Learn the spelling - you need not "Ketays", but the Chinese. "My cry" - why? I just saw it with my own eyes - how big is the influx of Chinese tourists - and this is good for our business and Russia as a whole
        1. +2
          18 February 2019 09: 09
          The Chinese want to trade with us, directly they are not allowed to wish - invented ways


          Conclusion: China is not a superpower, sho and required to prove.
          Here is the basic point of my reasoning.
          China is not a superpower. If you agree with this, then we have nothing to argue about - the rest is a husk ...

          In Moscow, St. Petersburg, and in St. Petersburg-Moscow trains from the Chinese are black as from cockroaches,


          Black ... and mostly not from the Chinese ...
          Can I start crying from?


          how big is the influx of Chinese tourists - and this is good for our business and Russia as a whole


          You wonder how this "business" is organized.
          They don’t actually leave the money to the Russians.
          All yours.
          That and famous.
          What's so good - hard to understand.
          In general, the conversation was about bank sanctions - you have gone over the tourists ...
          1. +4
            18 February 2019 10: 36
            Quote: Olezhek
            Conclusion: China is not a superpower, and it was necessary to prove it.
            Here is the basic point of my reasoning.

            ------------------------
            Oleg, if we consider a superpower a power projecting its will and military power outside, then China is certainly not a superpower. On the basis of its Soviet military heritage, Russia still fits the concept of a "superpower" and projects something else in Syria. And China is just a power with a good appetite.
            1. +1
              18 February 2019 11: 41
              Oleg, if we consider a superpower a power projecting its will and military power outside, then China is certainly not a superpower. Russia on the Soviet military legacy still fits the concept of a "superpower


              1 Well, sort of. China does not pull. Surprisingly

              2 But after the collapse of the USSR, almost 30 years have passed.
              Heritage is yes ...
              1. +3
                18 February 2019 11: 51
                Quote: Olezhek
                Well something like that. China is not pulling. Surprisingly

                While not pulling.
                1. +1
                  18 February 2019 17: 33
                  While not pulling.


                  Take out everything
                  And a wide, clear .. breastfeeding road will pave itself!
                  Sorry Toko, to live in this time is great, I do not have to
                  Neither me nor you ...
                  1. +3
                    18 February 2019 17: 39
                    According to their philosophy, from about 2030 they will have a "golden age". I'm afraid we will live.
          2. +2
            18 February 2019 11: 01
            I answer. In St. Petersburg-Moscow trains, it’s no longer black from dirt, it’s clean and comfortable there - even in a cheap two-story version. As for the money of tourists. Yes. they go around on excursions. But they even buy our goods in Pyaterochka. Sam himself saw in Vladimir at the hotel where they stay on the Golden Ring. The average bill is 5000 r, a large queue at the cash desk. The cashier was delighted - finally I hear my Russian speech. But judge for yourself - a ticket costs about $ 2000. The number of Chinese tourists is about 10 million a year. By the way. The Chinese wanted to buy a plane. The company opens a travel agency. What is not an option to pay?
            1. +1
              18 February 2019 17: 32
              . Yes. on excursions they get stuck But our goods even in Pyaterochka are buying up.


              Monument to them, of gold!
              At Pyaterochka and at the expense of Pyaterochka!
      2. +2
        18 February 2019 11: 50
        Quote: Olezhek
        Something went wrong in Chinese politics

        I do not understand you, even kill. China refused to issue a loan to VEB for 60 billion?
        1. +1
          19 February 2019 06: 44
          I do not understand you, even kill. China refused to issue a loan to VEB for 60 billion?


          And what is the point for Russia after the introduction of "Crimean sanctions" by China to recognize Taiwan as a part of China?
          Explain.
  12. +2
    18 February 2019 07: 51
    The main question: what and who are we for China and what and who is China for us? The answer lies in the history of China: over the course of its many thousands of years of history, China has never looked to the north as a side of its development. The North has always been and remains a forbidden territory for China. It was to separate China from the north that the Great Wall of China was built at one time. China has always looked and developed only to the south. Suffice it to recall the Great Silk Road ...
    Some attention of China to the northern territories - to Russia in the present, now there is a consequence of US pressure on China, there is a consequence of the fact that China is forced to insure its southern corridor of trade routes through the Indian Ocean ... China interacts with Russia only insofar as China is pressed The United States, creating the threat of overlap, blocking the southern trade corridor. If there was no US pressure, China would never have turned to Russia. Russia for China is only insurance against blocking the southern trade corridor through the Indian Ocean. The stronger the US pressure on China, the stronger the threat of blocking the southern corridor, the stronger will be the turn of China to the north to Russia. But while this is not there, any enthusiastic exclamations about China’s turn to the north are a bluff, an attempt to mislead the people of Russia, Russia ... So this must be treated ...
    What to do in these conditions of Russia? Build your own strategy in the Far East: lay the Korea-Russia railway, reconstruct the Baikal-Amur Railway, Transib, increase the cargo turnover of Far Eastern ports, industrially develop the Far Eastern territories ... Finally, build a high-speed highway, initially Kazan-Moscow, with further extension to the Urals and to Siberia.
    A special issue is trade and economic relations with Japan, Vietnam, India, etc. The development of trade and economic relations with these countries will balance the influence of China and, ultimately, will allow Russia through these states to get what Russia lacks in relations with China. In particular, the southern trade and economic corridor India-Iran-Russia-Europe can hit China itself very hard. Moreover, since the countries of Southeast Asia are competing with China, the development and deepening of trade and economic relations with them will sooner or later force China itself to become involved in competition with these countries for Russia. Here the question is only in the political will of Russia itself.
    1. +3
      18 February 2019 08: 38
      Southeast Asian countries compete with China, then the development and deepening of trade and economic relations with them sooner or later will force China itself to become involved in competition with these countries for Russia. Here the only question is the political will of Russia itself.


      By the way, the author did not accidentally post two cards.
      Great China already has problems "above the roof".
      Just do not talk about it - China is being drawn into a global confrontation across the border from Japan to India
      And ... the cherry on the cake - imposes sanctions against Russia
      They already have big problems ...
      It’s just that we don’t talk about it for some reason.
    2. 0
      18 February 2019 09: 29
      You are wrong China has always closely followed the north so that "winter does not come" laughing . China was consistently conquered by the northern nomadic peoples constantly and therefore a wall was built, but was not conquered by the southern peoples. True nomadic China digested, assimilated for five to six generations, and therefore the wall is now inside China.
    3. +3
      18 February 2019 15: 11
      Quote: The Truth
      China over the course of its many thousand years of history has never looked to the north as a side of its development.

      So he never looked at Africa, but now he is actively investing in Africa. And money, and weapons, and PMCs. wink
  13. +5
    18 February 2019 08: 01
    Finally, a normal article. The truth is not clear why the Kremlin is arming China heavily against itself. By the way, do not have a big mind, this is an axiom. If the neighbor becomes strong, he will certainly attack.
  14. VB
    +2
    18 February 2019 08: 11
    Gazprom's gas export in 2018 in value terms increased by 28,8% compared to the previous year - up to $ 49,148 billion, according to the statistics of the Federal Customs Service.
    The budget of Russia is only 15 rubles.
    Oil sold for $ 100. As the Ministry of Natural Resources states in the report “On the State and Use of Mineral Resources of the Russian Federation in 000-000.”, Not a single new gas field was commissioned in the country, not a single large oil field was discovered, and work on the Arctic shelf had to pause. This is already a deadly diagnosis. The fact is that on paper, Russia has huge promising oil reserves - allegedly 000 billion tons. But two-thirds of them are shale and offshore oil. Formally, there is oil, but the country does not have the technology for its production, and in the current conditions they basically cannot appear. The remaining 2016 billion tons at the current level of production will last 17 years. Then there will be no oil at all!
    Aquasib LLC is building a potable water bottling plant for China on the shore of Lake Baikal. The Russians are protesting - people are afraid that production can pollute the reservoir, and besides, it can become shallow.
    Baikal Pulp and Paper Mill - the situation is ambiguous, it is still not closed. Thank you personally to the guarantor.
    “The largest losses of unique forests occur in Russia, Brazil and Canada. Over the past three years, wild forests began to disappear 20% faster than in the period from 2000 to 2013. The fastest growing wild forests are shrinking in Russia - 90% faster than in the previous period (in Indonesia - 62%, and in Brazil - 16%) ”
    Veneer. Exports for 10 months of 2018 amounted to 635 thousand cubic meters. m, this is an absolute record, last year it was 597 thousand cubic meters. m
    Profiled lumber. Export for 10 months of 2018 is 139 thousand tons, this is a record in recent history, last year it was 138 thousand tons. Will there be no taiga in a couple of decades? Will there be no oil in 25 years? And when will the gas run out? Will Baikal be Chinese? If there is more ...
    Where does the money and wealth of the Russian people go, and Putin and Medvedev? https://www.yaplakal.com/forum1/topic1910995.html- about Chubais
    Medvedev and Putin handed over to Norway half of the water area of ​​about 175 thousand square kilometers. Putin transferred several islands on the Amur to China with a total area of ​​about 375 square kilometers. The lands developed by the Russian Cossacks for 300 centuries moved back to Astana. Foreigners are allowed to extract and export minerals, hydrocarbons, cut down forests, fish, shoot animals in any quantity and without damages. The TOP residents will pay reduced rates of insurance premiums (Pension Fund - 6%; Social Insurance Fund - 1,5%; Mandatory Medical Insurance Fund - 0,1%), and residents' shortfalls in income will be compensated by inter-budget transfers provided from the federal budget. And all this is explained by the accelerated economic development of the territories. In fact, this means that the Chinese no longer have any restrictions on penetrating Russian territory and exporting our natural resources to the Celestial Empire. By this decree, Putin actually gave China our Far East. Probably, this gift was made in exchange for an “unusually profitable” contract for the supply of Russian gas to China. Bring them, putinoids ...
  15. +1
    18 February 2019 08: 14
    It is impossible to consider China from the stated points of view. China just fell into the rhythm of the world economy.
    They write and cry a lot in the forests that our neighbors say they cut down. Our loggers also cut down forests. We just need to deal with this issue on a businesslike basis.
    legalized.
    1. +2
      18 February 2019 15: 16
      Quote: nikvic46
      China just fell into the rhythm of the global economy.

      Hit him. Ask how much money the US invested in China in the 90s.
      1. +1
        19 February 2019 07: 20
        I know perfectly well about Western help in modernization. Getting help is not the most important thing. The main thing is to properly dispose of this help.
  16. +4
    18 February 2019 08: 58
    You know, I was always amazed at the idea of ​​a Russian person that the whole world should love him, a Russian, how come: after all, Russians love everyone, there must be an answer! Then this performance faded somewhat. Among the common people, not advertised but clearly felt everyday nationalism flared up, unfortunately, did not degenerate in love for one's neighbor of Russian nationality. The idea of ​​power about the world has remained unchanged since Soviet times: China is our friend, everyone loves us. Or the authorities pretend to think so. To justify their mistakes in relations with China. Only one thing needs to be remembered: the Chinese are people of an alien race, an alien way of thinking. For us, they are, in fact, Martians. They thoroughly understand them for us, and they easily use our weaknesses. Are they clear to us? And, you know, which species survives? Which multiplies faster.
    So, the Army, Navy and the Russian people!
    1. +1
      18 February 2019 09: 03
      You know, I was always amazed by the Russian man’s view that the whole of Russia should love him


      Not a fact.
      Just globally, China’s anti-Russian sanctions are categorically unprofitable.
      1 He positions himself as a pro-American regime dependent (greater Poland)
      Which dramatically weakens his international position.
      It's one thing - a superpower, and quite another - a satellite of the West ...
      2 He closes the "encirclement ring" Now he has ruined relations with practically all neighbors.
      This is unreasonable.
      What is love here?
  17. +1
    18 February 2019 08: 58
    It’s rather strange to read about the inadequacy of the Chinese in the choice of relations, do you see the United States closer to them. Firstly, there are no friends at the level of interstate relations; there are joint interests for a certain period of time. Sometimes for a long time. In this sense, the US will benefit trillions of dollars more from China than Russia. Both the USA and Europe, and the whole world, receive relatively cheap goods from China. The question is, why should China spoil relations with the US, which actually lay golden eggs in both countries. No need. If the United States is dissatisfied with something or may be unhappy, then you can give them what they want to continue to receive the trillions through which China has become a superpower. And what can Russia give? A weapon? So China will soon sell it to Russia. Oil or gas? Yes, there is someone to buy, and China has already bought half the world. Sales market? Well, yes, but this market does not stand close to the US and Europe, the rest of the world. But to irritate the tiger - the United States with a possible rapprochement or demonstration of this rapprochement with Russia, so that the United States is more accommodating, yes, Russia is suitable for this. As well as the future donor of the territories. What other friendship are you talking about? Remember the emperor’s words about friends.
    1. 0
      18 February 2019 17: 30
      In this sense, the benefit from the United States for China is trillions of dollars more than from Russia.


      Are you sure about that?
      Trillions of the Chinese government will get the national debt back from the holy Americans?
      1. 0
        18 February 2019 18: 02
        Quote: Olezhek
        Are you sure about that?

        China-US trade turnover for 2018 was $ 633,5 billion, with a negative balance of $ 323 billion for the United States. This is just a year. With the EU, trade is even greater. With Russia, trade amounted to $ 107 billion, a negative balance for China was $ 17 billion. And imports from Russia - raw materials, back - industrial goods.
        The value of good relations with the United States is not limited to commodity circulation, it is incomparably higher, it depends on the US elite how much you can trade with the rest of the world, buy, sell, study, etc., etc. - they decide everything or almost everything.
        So consider which partner is more important. Although what can be considered, it is simply incomparable.
  18. +1
    18 February 2019 09: 00
    That is, an article is more likely about the unclear prospects of China with such an "original" foreign policy
    Somehow
    There are two more cards there that hints like
    And whether the Chinese are good people and how we can equip Chubais is a bit from another opera.
    The official Beijing and so the problems to the guys and more.
    Without anti-Russian sanctions
    Which is amazing.
  19. +1
    18 February 2019 09: 05
    Perhaps Russia should also “adjust” its foreign policy somewhat, since the unequivocal support of China in matters of principle to it for some reason did not bring any dividends to Russia, it does not bring any prospects in this matter.


    And not only in China! It is high time to change the basic principles of our relations in the foreign arena. Do not keep silent and do not try to smooth everything out and smooth it out, constantly sacrificing your own interests. We have to learn to speak directly to our partners' faces everything we think and what we want. It is high time to put an end to servility, especially in relations with insignificant and small states. Believe me, this will quickly add respect to our country and its interests. If we learn to respect ourselves, then others will gradually begin to do this. We must learn not to look for "true friends", which is very typical for us, but to conclude temporary situational alliances, to play on the contradictions of our opponents. I understand that this is much more difficult than concluding agreements on "faithful and eternal friendship", which are violated the next day, but life will still force you.
    1. +1
      18 February 2019 09: 18
      It's time to do away with servility a long time, especially in relations with small and small states. Believe me, this will quickly add respect for our country and its interests.


      Absolutely! A vivid example is Armenia, Belarus.
      We ourselves are to blame for not being able to put ourselves correctly.
      1. 0
        18 February 2019 09: 29
        We constantly come across petty blackmail, which is almost always successful. We are constantly hinted at the possibility of cooperation with the other side and great losses in case we do not behave "correctly". Is it really not clear that the other side has the rules of the game that are several orders of magnitude stricter and there they punish not only for multi-vector, but even for a hint of some kind of intolerance. And the blackmailers know this very well! They even punish them simply so that they do not forget who is the boss. Therefore, it is high time to sort out the inner circle, who is our ally, who is our fellow traveler, and who is frankly crap and behave accordingly.
  20. +1
    18 February 2019 09: 23
    In no way do I want to defend China in terms of the fact that we are friends, we are currently, in my opinion, forced partners (GDP says strategic partners :))), but in terms of Chinese banks you are wrong, banks that refuse to work with clients from Russia, these are commercial banks and they are forced to reckon with US sanctions, since Chinese banks and Russian, and indeed almost all banks in the world play on the same field, western, and the fear of disconnecting from the SWIFT system (which is the actual destruction of any bank) is very weighty.
  21. +3
    18 February 2019 09: 31
    China, although it did not introduce formal sanctions against Russia, but de facto joined them: Chinese banks refuse to conduct foreign exchange operations with Russian banks, significantly reduced participation in foreign trade transactions.

    Head of the Chinese group at IMEMO RAS Vasily Mikheev:
    How can you trade in national currency with a country that, in the opinion of Beijing (as well as other participants in world trade), has completely gone bankrupt,

    Institute of the Far East, RAS Alexander Larin:
    After 2014, Beijing has cooled sharply to cooperate with Moscow. The reasons here are both political (specifically: reluctance to do business with a country that is under Western sanctions), and purely economic.
    In the world, many do not see prospects for the Russian economy and do not want to enter into financial relations with a country that its counterparties consider bankrupt.
    1. -1
      18 February 2019 09: 40
      China, although it did not introduce formal sanctions against Russia, but de facto joined them: Chinese banks refuse to conduct foreign exchange operations with Russian banks, significantly reduced participation in foreign trade transactions.



      That is, de facto China obeyed US sanctions
      Let's remember guys - in relation to the USA "Great China" is subordinate position.

      After 2014, Beijing has cooled dramatically to cooperate with Moscow. The reasons here are political (specifically:


      specifically - State Department order...
      something like that.

      and purely economic.

      Which drew immediately after the order from Washington ...
      1. 0
        19 February 2019 18: 24
        Oleg, I welcome, can it be that this illogical behavior of China is connected with an impending significant event, after which there will be a reassessment of everything and everything? Like a black swan? And China is under external control and knows this event.
        1. +1
          20 February 2019 11: 31
          Oleg, I welcome, can it be that this illogical behavior of China is connected with the impending significant event, after which everything will be revalued and all the same? Type black swan?


          Greetings. Yes, as if the logic just they have a simple and banal (in my opinion)
          All measures in dollars, and here and now. The rest is pushed out of the brackets.
          But now from a geopolitical point of view (I did not post the 2 card for nothing)
          It all looks utterly wild.
          What do they want?

          In this case, the "conspiracy theory" is difficult to fasten.
          1. 0
            20 February 2019 11: 34
            Greetings. Well then, I regard the article in this way. If Russia gains more advantages than minuses from recognizing Taiwan as an independent state from China, Taiwan must be recognized as independent. In revenge for the Crimea.
  22. +3
    18 February 2019 09: 42
    after the imposition of sanctions in 2014, representatives of Vnesheconombank loudly declared ... that they did not give us Chinese bankers loans, they did not. And somehow it sounded deaf then, without an accent. Without continuation. Well, do not give and do not give.


    Already as already mentioned.
    In 2009, in an interview with the Vice President of the Bank of China in the Russian Federation, they received a completely frank answer: the task of the Bank of China is not to lend to the Russian economy, to promote Chinese goods and finance Chinese business in the Russian Federation.
    You might think that VTB specialists did not know this until 2014 - a worthless price then for such "specialists"
    The Bank of China and other Chinese banks have a completely pragmatic task - the projection of influence in the financial sector.
    Another lending option is to place bonds on Asian exchanges, if repayment conditions are acceptable, they will be in demand by private investors. In Europe, lending failed, affected by a weak economy, slurred economic policy of the Russian government.

    The government bloc cannot understand in any way that neither China nor the United States is interested in strengthening Russia.
    Only SMA Russia may be interested in strengthening Russia, and accordingly it is necessary to replenish oneself with its capabilities and resources and there should be a distinct economic policy in order to interest private investors in lending to the Russian economy.
    In the meantime, there is nothing of the kind.
    1. 0
      18 February 2019 10: 02
      In 2009, in an interview with the Vice-President of the Bank of China in the Russian Federation, we received a quite frank answer: the task of the Bank of China is not to credit the Russian economy,


      In general, a loan is not exactly a gift.
      Something like that.
      Credit give to earn.

      The Bank of China and other Chinese banks have a completely pragmatic task - the projection of influence in the financial sector.


      Well, how to accomplish this task without crediting the Russian economy?
      Holy spirit or something?
      1. 0
        18 February 2019 10: 21
        Quote: Olezhek
        Credit give to earn.


        Loan in 3 MHR dollars, which disappeared in Ukraine, it was better to give into your economy?
        We are trying to resolve political issues, solve them by economic means and once again got into a puddle.
        China does not do this, it does not give money, it can build a bridge / road / factory - in those projects in which it is interested in itself, which will bind the local authorities - it will bind economically, and where necessary raw materials can be exported.
        1. +1
          18 February 2019 17: 29
          Loan in 3 MHR dollars, which disappeared in Ukraine, it was better to give into your economy?


          What is Ukraine here for?
          Enough shag grandma!
    2. +1
      18 February 2019 10: 05
      the task of the Bank of China is not to credit the Russian economy, promote Chinese goods and finance Chinese business in the Russian Federation.


      Yep - faced with a real situation - Chinese bank blocked payment forChinese equipment by order Americans.

      Question: where is China's national interest?
      1. +1
        18 February 2019 10: 27
        Quote: Olezhek
        Yeah - faced with a real situation - a Chinese bank blocked the payment for Chinese equipment on the orders of the Americans.


        The Russian market in 3% compared to the US is ten times less.
        Who will not spoil the relationship?

        I have long switched to payments in RMB - they are carried out bypassing the US banking system, without any problems for 10 years.
        Moreover, discussing with Chinese factories the topic of the supply of equipment to the Crimea, the majority says that you are still transporting to the Russian Federation, and your problem is much further.
        1. +1
          19 February 2019 06: 42
          The Russian market in 3% compared to the US is ten times less.
          Who will not spoil the relationship?


          You know, there is such an illusion for many today that everything can be measured through money
          How much does territorial integrity cost?
          How much do US military bases around China cost?
          How much does it cost to "bring Taiwan back to home harbor"?

          The answer is not at all, since these questions are not solved through money.
          1. 0
            19 February 2019 12: 58
            Quote: Olezhek
            You know, there is such an illusion for many today that everything can be measured through money


            Who introduced protective (anti-dumping) duties on Chinese bulldozers?
            Who introduced protective duties on rubber products and other products from China - the United States? Trump? Not!
            The Russian Federation was the first to introduce anti-dumping duties on Chinese goods - under the influence of domestic lobbyists. The case when the head does one thing, and the commission under the customs union takes a radically opposite decision, imposing sanctions on political partners in the economic sector ...
            In China, this step was unambiguously regarded as unfriendly, and there were no signals about this at the political level, since due to the 2014 devaluation, the purchasing power of the Russian Federation collapsed, along with exports from China.
            In China, this was clearly regarded as a weakness of the Russian Federation.
            Among the Chinese plants that fell under anti-dumping duties, there were enterprises with state participation - gene managers are appointed from among party leaders (with regular rotation). The party elite of the PRC is well aware of the introduction of unfriendly economic sanctions not only for the products of commercial enterprises, but also factories with state participation.
            Before 2014, the Russian Federation was not the most interesting economic partner of the PRC, and after 2014, the economic partnership was nominally transposed to treating the Russian Federation as a weak state with a weak economy and a weak economic government team.

            China does not forget anything - for them, the Russian Federation is not a reliable partner in the economy, it can do the same in international politics. China remembers that before the United States, the Russian Federation imposed unfriendly sanctions on Chinese goods.
            So the Russian Federation is a "partner" for China, as long as there is something to take - weapons technology, cheap raw materials and hypothetical support in the world political arena - which the Russian Federation practically does not have (reduced to an outcast country with an unpredictable autocratic leader).

            Not surprised that the transactions of Russian companies are regarded at the appropriate level.
            The Russian Federation "shot itself in the foot", with the hands of the "brainy" commissions of the customs union, following the lobbyists, with ill-considered government actions.

            One discharge from the northern stream to the PRC was worth what - as Kazakhstan had once divorced - you must first negotiate the gas tariff, and then conclude a construction contract.
            The Chinese again twisted their hands with a gas tariff to naive Papuans.
            1. +2
              19 February 2019 13: 31
              Who introduced protective (anti-dumping) duties on Chinese bulldozers?
              Who introduced protective duties on rubber products and other products from China - the United States? Trump? Not!
              First, the Russian Federation imposed anti-dumping duties on Chinese goods



              You probably do not know the characteristics of modern world trade.
              So China is the absolute champion in the number of duties and restrictions imposed on it.
              For obvious reasons.
              And it began very long before xnum th.
              If you think that everyone on the planet is happy about Chinese trade expansion, then you are greatly mistaken
              Many (lost because of this job or business)
              China is quietly hated.
              Russia would have to stand out for something very difficult.
              Not the first, not the second or even the fifth market.
              And the duty to introduce the beginning rather late.

              So, spreading the myths and legends that Russia suddenly brought down all Chinese exports is ridiculous.
              Just to "bring down" it is going to be none other than his Serene Highness Trump the First
              But the Chinese continue to gently love America.
              So get your shot past the box office.
  23. +4
    18 February 2019 09: 56
    It is our destiny to "root for" everyone and everything oppressed around the world, a very interesting phenomenon !!!
    Although, most of all, although the most successful countries in the world are winners, these are exclusive egoists !!!
    Which sign to put, plus or minus, how and from which side to look ???
  24. +1
    18 February 2019 10: 11
    And as a result, they introduce economic “Crimean” sanctions against Russia (which, of course, recognizes their territorial integrity) together with the United States (which do not recognize their territorial integrity in principle).


    The author is poorly oriented in economics.
    China does not impose economic sanctions - Chinese banks are denied transactions that may affect the imposition of sanctions against them and adversely affect business.
    It would be ridiculous because of one payment to the Crimea for one millionth of a turnover, to get on the sanctions list and the entire turnover will suffer.
    Pragmatism is nothing more.

    The author should understand that China is not obliged to help us, Russia is regarded as an economic partner in the supply of raw materials and a small market (about 3% of total exports) for Chinese goods.

    We are for them a poor country with an undeveloped economy, exporting mainly raw materials, and from the high-tech sector of the Russian Federation - they are only interested in weapons.
    1. 0
      18 February 2019 10: 39
      The author is poorly oriented in economics.


      such a categorical statement "inspires".
      Scans of diplomas do not lay out?
      And honorary medals?

      China does not impose economic sanctions - Chinese banks are denied transactions that may affect the imposition of sanctions against them and adversely affect business.
      It would be ridiculous because of one payment to the Crimea for one millionth of a turnover, to get on the sanctions list and the entire turnover will suffer.


      1 Chinese are afraid of America
      2 Banned payments are not in the Crimea but in general with Russia,

      The author should be understood - China is not obliged to help us,


      A person "well versed in economics" should understand that payments and loans are not "help"
      this is business as usual.

      Russia is regarded as an economic partner in


      Well, what's the difference as her regard?
      China cannot normally trade with Russia without the permission of the United States.
      Conclusion - China is not independent and not a superpower
      USSR traded with anyone, not looking at anyone.
      1. +2
        18 February 2019 11: 41
        China cannot normally trade with Russia without the permission of the United States.
        Conclusion - China is not independent and not a superpower

        True, and I'm sorry where he can not? China can do everything, but does not see the point - consumer goods, machine tools, cars, components and components, it sells without a twinge of conscience to the Russian Federation and acquires the latter perfectly from it ... If you want an example of inconsistency, look at Western Europe and its sanctions
        As for the sanctions, yes, China will not quarrel with the United States, because the latter is a much bigger market than the Russian Federation and losing it for the sake of the joy of its eastern partner is stupid at least ... As for cooperation, again this cooperation is beneficial to the Russian Federation, and not the latter to China with more joy will acquire the technology and modify it on its own. About loans and the law is ridiculous, what's the point of crediting China to the Russian Federation?
        And yes, China will not now enter into open confrontation with the United States, if only because it does not have for this a modern army and navy, which of course it is intensively creating, but before the year 30 it is not possible to do this.

        About a non-self-dependent superpower - sorry, but this is ridiculous, there’s nothing to even comment on, just look at the numbers and foreign policy
      2. +3
        18 February 2019 12: 12
        Quote: Olezhek
        USSR traded with anyone, not looking at anyone.


        USSR credited anyone ... And where is the USSR now?
        Quote: Olezhek
        Scans of diplomas do not lay out?
        And honorary medals?

        My friend is a business and dozens of partners - major machine-building and machine-tool enterprises of the PRC are my diploma ... 12 years of working with Chinese enterprises, contacts with the management of factories.

        Quote: Olezhek
        A person "well versed in economics" should understand that payments and loans are not "help"

        Is it better to lend to a third-party lame economy at 4% with an increase of 1%, or your (Chinese) at 4-6% with an increase of 7-10%? The government of the Russian Federation has brought the country to losery, with what joy is it to help local oligarchs?
        Quote: Olezhek
        1 Chinese are afraid of America
        2 Banned payments are not in the Crimea but in general with Russia,


        Well, it’s necessary to guess - to make payments in the currency of the country of the sanctioner, when transactions go through an American bank in the United States :)), surprisingly - did you expect another result? And then blame the bank :)))
        In Russia, there are at least 4 representative offices of Chinese banks through which you can make direct RMB transactions in China.

        From 08.08.08/10/XNUMX, exclusively RMB contracts, the purchase of RMB in a bank of China and an almost intra-bank transaction. XNUMX years trouble-free transactions.

        Quote: Olezhek
        China cannot normally trade with Russia without the permission of the United States.
        Conclusion - China is not independent and not a superpower

        Conclusion at the level of the article - illiterate.
        Once again: the bank has its own policy and will not risk the total turnover because of the 0,001% transaction from the Russian Federation.
        I understand - it offends you, it is your money and a third country intervenes in financial calculations!
        This does not mean that one’s grievances (on one’s own incompetence) should be poured in the article on the country as a whole.
        Did not assess the risks - a financial consultant to help.

        Personally, I would act in the same place as the manager of a Chinese bank in the same way - a turnover with the US economic monster costs one offended client from a poor country.

        It's cool to make money on your "enemies": sooner or later, the enemy's corpse will float past you on the river :)
        1. +3
          18 February 2019 14: 00
          USSR credited anyone ... And where is the USSR now?


          1 That is, the USSR had to ask permission from the United States?
          2 Where will China be through 10 for years?
          And whether it will be at all?

          My friend is a business and dozens of partners - major machine-building and machine-tool enterprises of the PRC are my diploma ... 12 years of working with Chinese enterprises, contacts with the management of factories.

          Buddy - this is the Internet - here they can send (away!)
          Good advice - never conduct discussions on the principle - I have
          all debil.
          Fraught.

          Is it better to lend to a third-party lame economy under 4% with an increase in 1%, or your own (Chinese) under 4-6% with an increase in 7-10%?

          you know what's the trouble: the Russian economy became "lame" right after the team from the USA
          You already decide what is the reason for lame or strict orders.

          Well, it is necessary to guess - to make payments in the currency of the authorization country, when transactions go through an American bank


          You will be surprised - these comrades assume one variation - in godless bucks
          about the yuan somehow not ready to talk ...
          Or rather, what do you have no dollars?
          Why? And China is a Third World country. They pray for the buck, they pray for America.
          America and the dollar for them is a symbol of success.

          Conclusion at the level of the article - illiterate.
          This does not mean that his insult (on his own incompetence)


          Komrad - once again - positioning itself in the Internet as genii and the rest as debilov is very fraught
          Your epaulet is not visible - they can send it.
          (usually this ends)
          1. 0
            19 February 2019 13: 48
            Quote: Olezhek
            Buddy - this is the Internet - here they can send (away!)


            1. will send, the clever will heed, the wise will offer his own version.
            Quote: Olezhek
            you know what's the trouble: the Russian economy became "lame" right after the team from the USA

            And you say that China "depends" on the United States? :)
            China also devalued the yuan last year - but only by 6%, in contrast to Putin's "effective" managers, who brought down the ruble by 100%, this is how you need to be sure of your impunity in order to "steer" like that ...

            Quote: Olezhek
            You will be surprised - these comrades assume one variation - in godless bucks
            about the yuan somehow not ready to talk ...
            Or rather, what do you have no dollars?


            I won’t be surprised - it’s more profitable for the Chinese plant to work in dollars — it will earn more on this, in yuan less — in the yuan it is more profitable for the buyer to pay (in several respects, including the exchange rate and less volatility than the dollar, and bargain in yuan easier), so the Chinese are trying to conclude a dollar contract.
            The importer's task is to conclude a RMB contract - and the transfer fee is less than in dollars - due to the absence of an intermediary bank.
            Usually this is a stupid wiring of a foreigner, a producer will sign any more or less large enterprise contract, especially if you show him that you know another 5-6 alternative manufacturers with similar products and are guided by prices.
            Moreover, it is possible to demand 5-7% of the export price - the Chinese receive 10-15% of the return VAT.
            Of course, they abut until they show their own price list for the Chinese company in RMB to the domestic market (usually much cheaper) and recall the VAT refund - in general, negotiating with the Chinese requires preliminary preparation and market research. As a result, 15-25% of the initial price (unless of course they stupidly threw 50% for stupid foreigners).
            If they rest, we go to more accommodating competitors or buy through a Chinese company and get a refundable Chinese export VAT.
            Then they usually try to cut us at lunch / dinner and the next day, their leadership is mostly inoperative, and we continue on schedule ...
            Contact if that.

            Quote: Olezhek
            Your epaulettes are not visible - they can send

            Violet.
            See point N1

            Without imposing your opinion, the conclusion of the article is controversial.

            Without pretending to know everything about the economy and especially the policies of the PRC, but I have some experience:
            supply of hundreds of pieces of equipment and machinery, including in a company in the top ten "blue chips"
            1. +1
              19 February 2019 15: 04
              Do not be surprised - for the Chinese plant is more profitable to work in dollars - oh
              The importer’s task is to conclude a RMB contract -

              In general, negotiating with the Chinese requires advance preparation and market research.


              German equipment can be seamlessly purchased at the Russian price list in Russia,
              through a German bank and German leasing (which are close by)
              You need toko open your mouth. The rest will be made for you by their representatives.
              And all in evrah and all without problems.
              (I know myself).
              Just want.
              Here and service and parts and warranty and liability.

              The Chinese are a large collective farm of the Third World.
              Leasing, banks, yuan in Russia ??? Service? Responsibility for quality?
              Mdja ...
              Can prokinut delivery even a very large customer.
              To Germany they are ... well, very far.
              Hang around the dusty back streets of China and bargain with local scoundrels?
              1. +1
                19 February 2019 15: 38
                Quote: Olezhek
                German equipment can be seamlessly purchased at the Russian price list in Russia,
                through a German bank and German leasing (which are close by)
                You need toko open your mouth. The rest will be made for you by their representatives.
                And all in evrah and all without problems.
                (I know myself).
                Just want.
                Here and service and parts and warranty and liability.


                It certainly is.
                German, French, Italian - may have a slight advantage in performance and reliability, while losing 200-300% in price.
                Those. or the payback on leasing is not 2-3 years, or the cost of production doubled ...
                Plus, in China, this price includes software, while Europe considers it a plus from above and fights 20-30% of the price of equipment for it (at least for Italians).


                We take a typical filling of the Chinese machine tool - the Mitsubishi or Hitachi programmer or Europe, from the Chinese - limit switches, servomotors, lasers, iron ...
                I do not recall any significant claims under warranty for Chinese machine tools; there was a small thing - yes.

                Leasing - yes, they are leased - federal leasing companies are willing to lend to the machinery.
                Warranty - official dealers like us - carry out.
                Installation / installation, commissioning - supported.

                It is not so simple as you write.
                For example:
                the overwhelming majority of the Russian Greek diaspora, stone is cut on Chinese machines and not in a hurry for Italian - these guys are very well versed in stone and equipment.
                Glass cutters prefer more accurate Italian machines - a screw drive is more accurate than a rack and pinion - yes, I would also prefer an Italian machine.

                Concrete plants - we import equipment for one of the best specialists in Russia in this matter - in recent years he has switched almost entirely to Chinese equipment - a wide selection of quality. He develops projects for the customer’s tasks and selects equipment

                In general, it all depends on the task.
                It is difficult to generalize here, in each case it is necessary to look at the cost / return on investment / quality of raw materials / product quality - usually a project is prepared with the participation of specialists from the customer / manufacturer.

                Faced with the lack of production in the PRC of the necessary machine tool park, but this is only the first 3-4 years since the advent of the new machine - then its Chinese counterpart with a similar purpose appears.
                1. +1
                  20 February 2019 12: 55
                  It certainly is.
                  German, French, Italian - may have a slight advantage in performance and reliability, while losing 200-300% in price.


                  Komrad - I like it doing years 10
                  so complex Chinese equipment (metalworking)
                  this or licensed assembly (all one sucks)
                  or it sucks at all
                  (although there are rare exceptions)
                  What makes sense to take: or Taiwan (simple)
                  or if it is more difficult - watch Korea / Japan (!)
                  German equipment
                  (if it is German!)
                  compared to Chinese - incomparable
                  And cheating him quite reasonable.
                  Japanese is still a little better.

                  China - well, you can take ... the simplest for a short time.
                  I would not take it myself (or should I be super-self-made)
                  But if you are SuperSamodelkin- take a good, branded, hand-held in Europe.
                  something like that. All one is better.
                  Explanatory Chinese equipment not met.
                  For the poor and very naive.
                  But take, I do not argue. Then swear.

                  Well, you can take them except universal machines.
                  And you have to watch.

                  Well, yes - a cloud of "German" manufacturers manufactures their traditional quality in Southeast Asia ... and China
                  Summary - in the metalworking - China is still crap.
                  1. 0
                    20 February 2019 15: 44
                    Quote: Olezhek
                    China - well, you can take ... the simplest for a short time.
                    I would not take it myself (or should I be super-self-made)
                    But if you are SuperSamodelkin- take a good, branded, hand-held in Europe.


                    Well, of course, not machining centers :))
                    In Italy, mainly MEZAK was seen on fur processing (photo from Intermac)
                    and in China at tractor factories - also MAZAK. Type vertical machining center VTC-800/30 SR, horizontal machining center MAZAK PFH-5800 and others
                    it's in italy


                    and this is in China.


                    I didn’t mean fur processing, where, without a doubt, Europe and Japan occupy a leading position.
                    But in addition to fur processing, there are machines - woodworking, waterjet cutting, stone cutting, pipe / reinforcement flexible, etc.
              2. 0
                19 February 2019 15: 50
                Quote: Olezhek
                To Germany they are ... well, very far.
                Hang around the dusty back streets of China and bargain with local scoundrels?


                To do this, there are official dealers of Chinese factories in Russia who support the guarantee and arrange delivery, etc.

                When someone with no experience comes to China to buy "deshiva", he will either be sent to a Russian dealer (if a decent factory) or he will overpay significantly or he will be given a "deshiva" that is not at all what he expected to buy.

                And in Europe, the buyer will be screwed up with all conceivable expenses - I know dealers who take potential buyers by plane to Europe to present equipment, seminars, exhibitions (he participated in such raids) - then you are not surprised that the price is not 3 times more expensive than the Chinese, but 4 -5 times - because production is almost piecewise, one-time sales.
                The Chinese manufacturer produces ten times more and its cost is lower and it has more competitors inside the country - its 5% margin is already good, 15% is just fine.
                In Europe, 40-60% are rarely put by anyone - there are European margins :)))
  25. +2
    18 February 2019 10: 26
    But in practice, everything looks a little different. The trouble here is that China does not have a genuine national strategy designed for decades to come.

    Wow, you’ll learn more about China more and more, only he has a secret tsss and he implements them with 90. laughing

    That is, China (as it turned out!) Does not pursue any "independent" policy

    Yeah, so little by little is increasing its presence in the Middle East, in particular Iran and Pakistan, pulling up its Navy to a possible conflict ... Well, it’s not

    You know, it seems that we are doing something wrong.

    We have bad analytics
    ps but in fact why the author took it that the PRC should cooperate in everything and support oligarchic Russia, especially when you consider that since the 90s of the last century, at least half of the power in the Russian Federation is pro-American .... So no, there will be no union The Chinese are not fools
    1. +3
      18 February 2019 10: 51
      Quote: spektr9
      We have bad analytics
      ps but in fact why the author took it that the PRC should cooperate in everything and support oligarchic Russia, especially when you consider that since the 90s of the last century, at least half of the power in the Russian Federation is pro-American .... So no, there will be no union The Chinese are not fools


      Absolutely.

      The Chinese are pragmatists.
      During the time that Putin is in power in the Russian Federation, in the People's Republic of China is already the third chairman (the result of the change in the Chinese economy is not comparable).
      The Chinese understand perfectly well what it means, who leads and builds the policy of the Russian Federation.
      The decisions of one person, which makes the Russian Federation in their eyes not a predictable ally.

      The Chinese will work with any dictator, if he has something to pay off, until he resorts to buy money ... give resources, what do you have?
      1. +2
        18 February 2019 13: 43
        During the time that Putin is in power in the Russian Federation, in the People's Republic of China is already the third chairman (the result of the change in the Chinese economy is not comparable).


        Dear Komrad: The only serious reason for oversize China is quite simple:
        they opened the western markets and they opened factories for the production of goods for these markets
        All
        Without this, China would continue to be impoverished.
        This decision had nothing to do with the Chinese leadership.
        none at all.
        Ingenious Chinese leaders themselves brought China to starvation
        Without Western investment and the market, there would be nothing
        At least the third is the tenth leader.
        In the nineteenth century, the Chinese became a semi-colony of the West (unlike Japan)

        The Chinese understand perfectly well what it means, who leads and builds the policy of the Russian Federation.
        Decisions of one person that makes the Russian Federation in their eyes an unpredictable ally


        It is difficult to call a predictable country that for years 15 is crucified about partnership and then, according to the first whistle from the State Department, it turns off cooperation.
        This, I'm sorry, clowns ...

        The Chinese will work with any dictator if he has something to pay for, until he resorts to groaning money ...


        I am certainly very sorry, I understand - the man re-read the liberal press.
        However, unlike China, Russia is a free and democratic country.
        Just China - dictatorship.
        Are you surprised?
        Second, no one has made money from China.
        I explain specifically for science professors from economics that credit / payments are not charity.
        But the refusal to conduct them on a national basis is a hostile act.
        1. -1
          19 February 2019 14: 03
          Quote: Olezhek
          Dear Komrad: The only serious reason for oversize China is quite simple:
          they opened the western markets and they opened factories for the production of goods for these markets
          All
          Without this, China would continue to be impoverished.
          This decision had nothing to do with the Chinese leadership.
          none at all.
          Ingenious Chinese leaders themselves brought China to starvation


          I don’t see the point of discussing - discussing the economic reforms of Deng Xiaoping, who revealed what to whom, in an attempt to tear the USSR from influence, etc.
          Your ideas about the PRC at the level of the late 70s are uninteresting.
    2. +1
      18 February 2019 12: 18
      Wow, you’ll learn more about China more and more, only he has a secret tsss and he implements them with 90.


      Do polka bowing to the accompaniment of the State Department?
      It looks like

      Yeah, so gradually increasing its presence in the Middle East, in particular Iran and Pakistan,


      The first phase of the trade conflict with the States of China merged unequivocally.
      From Libya (where the Chinese interest was an order of magnitude greater than that of Russia) they were simply and trivially kicked out ...

      little by little ...
      1. -1
        18 February 2019 12: 31
        Do polka bowing to the accompaniment of the State Department?

        Yeah, and so unexpectedly, they became the first second / first economy in the world, they developed industry, at a striking pace they are building up military power and presence in the region, but the State Department tried wink Although no, he would have tried if the rudiments of the red revolution had not been suppressed in 89 ...

        They didn’t suppress the USSR and the State Department did its best, the economy was zero, production was buried, the army rests on the Soviet legacy a little less than completely, talk about trade here, it’s not the USA directly forbade China to sell the same s-300s to Iran

        The first phase of the trade conflict with the States of China merged unequivocally.
        From Libya (where the Chinese interest was an order of magnitude greater than that of Russia) they were simply and trivially kicked out ...

        I repeat once again it is not profitable for China to lose the huge US market, so that it will keep it until it affects its internal interests
        About Libya, as well as Venezuela, there was interest, but you can sacrifice this interest bloodlessly for the sake of creating your own army and navy, and not get on the rampage with your bare ass and China understands this perfectly ... Where China really has a strategic interest is Iran and Pakistan, and the United States understands this as a result of further horror stories it does not go
        1. +1
          18 February 2019 14: 12
          Yeah, and so unexpectedly became the first second / first economy of the world, developed industry, increasing military power and presence in the region at an accelerated pace, but the State Department tried


          Well, without the US market / investment?
          You a young person about "Japanese economic chyudo" heard?
          Which 25 years ago was blown away?
          About Japan, too, shouted ...
          Shouted. There 25 years of recession.

          so it is not to China, the United States directly forbade the same s-300 to Iran to sell

          Teach materiel - there were UN sanctions

          About Libya, as well as Venezuela, was an interest, but this interest can be donated bloodlessly

          So that on the head not shlopotat (scary!)

          Where China really has a strategic interest is Iran and Pakistan, and the United States understands this,

          Yep noticeable
          I did not notice something so that the future of Iran was discussed by the States with China.
          ordered to limit the consumption of Iranian oil and all.
          1. +1
            18 February 2019 15: 59
            Well, without the US market / investment?
            You a young person about "Japanese economic chyudo" heard?
            Which 25 years ago was blown away?
            About Japan, too, shouted ...
            Shouted. There 25 years of recession.

            Japan had the second / first economy in the world, maybe there was the most developed industry in the world, or was Japan the leader in global goods production?)
            Teach materiel - there were UN sanctions

            Russia, as far as my memory serves me, has the opportunity to veto any UN proposal, but something did not fail to use it, even under threat to their interests
            So that on the head not shlopotat (scary!)

            Clever to prepare before the fight, climb with bare fists
            I did not notice something so that the future of Iran was discussed by the States with China.
            ordered to limit the consumption of Iranian oil and all.

            I did not notice something that China would listen to US Wishlist and reduce the consumption of Iranian oil

            In general, all this is demagogy - the fact that China is now a superpower is a fact (the figures confirm this very well), that it pursues a foreign policy different from the US is also a fact ...
            And the fact that he does not give loans to the Russian Federation or imposes sanctions against banks of the Russian Federation does not cancel these facts in any way. So you can scream anything, the elephant as it goes and continues to go
            1. +2
              18 February 2019 17: 43
              - the fact that China is now a superpower fact (the figures confirm this perfectly), the fact that it is pursuing a foreign policy that is different from the US is the same


              A kind of great-power stealth policy.
              Or the gopher-politician - nobody sees her as ba ...

              But she IS!

              the elephant goes on and on
              Reply


              The elephant is the symbol of India, the symbol of China is the dragon!
            2. +1
              18 February 2019 17: 49
              Japan had the second / first economy in the world, maybe there was the most developed industry in the world, or was Japan the leader in global goods production?)


              Well, it was ... once

              Russia, as far as my memory serves me, has the opportunity to veto any UN proposal, but something did not fail to use it, even under threat to their interests


              And why is the lifting of sanctions against Iran in the interests of Russia?

              I did not notice something that China would listen to US Wishlist and reduce the consumption of Iranian oil


              Otherwise, there is no point in sanctions against the Iranian oil industry - China will devour any amount of oil and ask for additives.
  26. +2
    18 February 2019 11: 28
    Does Russia act differently? "Gazprombank has decided to freeze the accounts of Venezuelan national oil company PDVSA, according to Reuters. A source in the bank claims that this is due to US sanctions against the company. Earlier, the Russian credit institution acknowledged the presence of PDVSA accounts."
    1. +2
      18 February 2019 12: 20
      "Gazprombank has decided to freeze the accounts of the Venezuelan national oil company PDVSA," Reuters reported.


      Why Reuters?
      Is that a Gazprombank press service?
  27. -2
    18 February 2019 11: 48
    China is pulling time
  28. -1
    18 February 2019 13: 35
    With such a friend and the enemy is not necessary am
  29. +1
    18 February 2019 17: 50
    Look how everyone got excited here)))

    We will deal with the Chinese liberstnya ..)))
  30. 0
    18 February 2019 17: 51
    The article makes you think. So good. Thoughtful analytics. It smoothly leads to the realization that there is supranational governance. Otherwise, it is not possible to logically explain the processes between the US-Russia and China. The control center is being transferred to China.
  31. +1
    18 February 2019 18: 56
    China is too big to have friends point. China may have contradictions with America, but it will not be the enemy of America, because America has raised China. dot.
  32. 0
    20 February 2019 18: 37
    Well this is necessary - to read fritzmorgen.livejournal, and even about China)))) There is more information from official statements by the Chinese on political issues than from fritzmorgen.livejournal, after all, is the source.
  33. -1
    20 February 2019 19: 50
    我 欢迎 VO 的 所有 访客 It's time to start learning, the language of future generations!
  34. -1
    22 February 2019 14: 00
    THIS IS A SCREAM, READ PLEASE!

    How can you blame Chinese banks for which the share of transactions with the Russian Federation is less than 1% and demand that they lose the main turnover in the United States for it and actually go bankrupt? Is it stupid? Make special individual cans. Agree, set a goal, work - everything will be. Let's stop doing stupid things. Long live the mind !!!
    These accusations look all the more ridiculous because the Russian Federation itself is subject to the colossal influence of the United States in the media field, in ideology, in business. This is the banks of the Russian Federation do not open branches in the Crimea - forgot? This Russian Federation sits on the western element base and builds tanks and planes out of it, killing its science and industry. Instead of buying samples and copying technology at the earliest opportunity, like the Chinese. Because there is no one to even copy. Even worse, there is no one to even understand and set such a task. Effective managers lack efficiency for this. It’s the Russian Federation that is used to living with the idea that we’ll buy everything for oil - technology, spare parts, science.
    This RF cuts the purchasing power of the population in the domestic market with tax and pension policies. And where does this money go? Where do profits seized from the people for which food, medicine, clothing, and electronics have not been bought settle? This is our domestic collapsed demand, the domestic market, enterprises that were left without sales, lost jobs and stalled import substitution. Why is it slipping? Because we ourselves have collapsed the domestic demand for priority goods and brought its foreign capital offshore! Fuck the country all these yachts and villas? Fuck the country incompetent smug proteges, seated from the start of their careers in executive chairs, despising the people and living in a Western belief system? How is it that they themselves have not imposed sanctions against their country? AND? Do not know? I myself wonder how this did not happen.
    FRIENDS-AAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Let's define ourselves somehow. Let us not demand and expect more from friendly countries than we are prepared to do for ourselves and for ourselves.
    You can’t pour mud on yourself, say that tyrants have ruled us (which is not true) and want to be respected after that.
    And our rulers are afraid of Stalin and Lenin because their ideas are dangerous for their well-being.
    Hence the question - is there a problem in China?
    It is necessary to restore the original, Soviet foundation of friendship. We need a political brand of Stalinism. And then relying on the power of tradition will incredibly bring nations closer together. And then there will be an alliance, common goals and meanings.
  35. 0
    23 February 2019 08: 55
    China is not for us, America is not a friend. Neighbors are not going to rake our firebrands with their own hands.
    Since the time of Mr. Orbachev, they have finally understood that in Moscow they have gone completely crazy and they are implementing politics taking this into account.
  36. 0
    7 August 2019 11: 04
    Finally, there was an author who honestly hammering the Chinese theme.