Is China a superpower? What is your evidence?

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Against the background of sharply aggravated trade and political relations between China and the United States, the discussion on the Internet about this trade and political conflict also revived. For some reason, we actively support China, actively sympathize with it and actively rely on it in the upcoming confrontation. And for some reason they are actively admired. Frankly, I don’t know what it’s all about, I don’t understand.





Russia and China - allies? Well, how to say, against the background of relations with the West, Russian-Chinese relations look very, very good, this is true, but precisely against the background of confrontation with the West, and nothing more. After all, what is the "plug" and a hitch: the US has repeatedly publicly accused that they are pushing Russia and China to each other. And "pushed" already after that, as was widely announced on the Russian-Chinese partnership.

Well, what should be the result of these "convergence" and "pushing"? How do you think? At least, a fairly close military-political alliance. What the author constantly read both in the "zero" and in the "tenth". Russia and China. China and Russia. And what should they do against America and how to resist it ... moreover, they wrote about this rather categorically and rather intelligent people. Well, it seemed to be quite sure about it. Because it was logical, reasonable, and completely connected with the reality around us.

Then a “crisis decade” of 2008-2018 and everything connected with it happened, and the “optimism” diminished. You can simply engage in “discourse” long and beautifully, but real politics very quickly puts everything in its place. So I would just like to take a quick look at the very "foreign policy of China." About the economic achievements of the Celestial Empire, we did not write only lazy, so they wrote with admiration. It is also an incomprehensible moment: how did the West put in gigantic money (without which there would be no miracle) in the country under the rule of ... the communist party?

We (and especially Ukrainians) were so frightened by “decommunization” for so long that this moment of gigantic investments in the openly communist regime cannot but cause serious questions: “But what about ideology?” Ukraine carried out a complete and final decommunization, but did not receive investments there is such “freedom”. Russia 90-s also did not receive any "investments", despite the frank denial of the ideology of communism. Why?

Something somehow does not fit in, in the sense of real life does not fit in with Western propaganda. The recipe for the Chinese economic miracle (and before it the Japanese one) is quite simple: serious investments from abroad plus the opening of rich US markets. Well, they got flooded ... Our “grief reformers” tried to portray something like this at the end of 80, in 90. But they "are not flooded." And the markets they did not open, and investment is not given. As for what, all 90-e continued political conflicts between Russia and the West. “Where are the investments?” Asked the comrades from the Kremlin (already fully “de-communized”). “And this is a purely commercial matter, and business makes such decisions absolutely independently.” So it was accepted to answer "from there."

But in China, the same Westerners were very actively invested, which led to quite obvious results - the creation of a giant factory that produces goods for rich western markets. On this (at one time) Japan rose. At the same rose and China. And following the results of many years, it has been customary to describe the achievements of the Middle Kingdom in admiring tones. It is what it is. It was possible to create a giant factory (as it used to be in Japan), it is a fact.

But as for the political achievements of the Celestial Empire, then everything is not as simple as many would like. Whether someone likes it or not, but after 1945 and until 1991, we lived in a “bipolar” world. And it manifested itself literally in all spheres: in culture, sport, science, economics, not to mention politics. But we must understand that the USSR (especially 40-x / 50-x) was a rather poor country. He did not even have that money close to the USA. Nevertheless, the bipolar system took place, and no one doubted it. The USSR, having much less economic resources than the United States, managed to create its own world on planet Earth. And it was, and no one asked questions.

The wars in Korea, Vietnam, the victory of Mao in China before. The widest opposition of the two systems on all continents (including the Antarctic!) Was the place to be. All story 1945 th to 1991 th can be described in the confrontation of the two systems ...

But with modern China, things are not so simple, not so simple. Of course, in the field of economics, his achievements are indisputable (at first glance). And it seems that the Chinese "globally penetrate" wherever possible in the economic sphere (and in Europe, and in Africa, and in Latin America). However, not everything is so simple, not everything is so positive. De facto, China does not offer alternatives to the United States. Yes exactly.

What was the "trick" even if a poor USSR after WWII? He was not tied to Western decision-making centers. He spent independent foreign policy. He was ideologically, politically, culturally independent. That is why he was hated in the West. That is why he tried in every way to "szhit with light." And China? And what about China? China does not offer anything to anyone. China does not put forward any "alternatives" to Western political (global) ideas.

China stupidly trades and simply invests. So this is great! But how to say ... For some reason, Japan 80-x is remembered, about which they spoke as about "an economic giant and a political dwarf." Then she “covered herself with a copper basin” of the recession for 25 years. Just pick up and read the 80's newspapers / books and what they wrote about Japan's megasuper. And what "prospects" painted. But all sadly covered with a copper basin, alas. One of the reasons - Japan was not politically independent and was very limited in choosing national development strategies.

The “Japanese economic miracle” has ended, and today the country is in a deep economic, political, resource and semantic impasse. No one says that China is obliged to repeat the fate of Japan, but somehow "they are plagued by vague doubts." Doubts about the ability of the Chinese leadership to build a sustainable development model. All that China had was a quarter of a century of accelerated economic development (as was once the case with Japan). And today, in fact, the potential of this accelerated development (from a low base) has been exhausted.

Wages in China have grown, the market has been saturated with Chinese-made goods, and the economic crisis has been raging on the planet for almost 10 for years. That is, the very “model” in which the Chinese have built their economic “paradise” is dying right before our eyes. Here, many people like to remember about the trillions of dollars of US Treasury bills, the happy owner of which is the People's Republic of China. You still do not feel the humor of the situation? And what, strictly speaking, provided these debt receipts? An honest American word?

De facto, the Chinese throughout the country worked like Papa Carlo to earn the trillionth of a thousand. And the Americans ... it was just printed. But after all they are obliged to redeem these same receipts? But how to say ... if gentlemen stop winning by the old rules ... For some reason, most observers believe that this "trillion" is a powerful means of pressure on China by the PRC. Again, this is how to look. If you owe a bank ten thousand dollars and you cannot pay - these are your problems, if ten million are rather bank problems.

Strangely enough, Russia, which had debt receipts to the maximum of 150 billions, already has practically none (more expensive). But "great China" is still waiting for something ... What? In principle, China in this regard already lost The Chinese leadership has missed time. America delivered a "preemptive strike." Today, for Beijing, "dumping" the US Treasury bills is a bit late. War to China (solid American debt holder) has already been declared! Attempt today to start “throwing off” those very receipts will no longer lead to success - this will be regarded as an “act of aggression”, with all that follows.

Just for the United States today, those very receipts serve as an argument for blackmail and pressure - it will be very difficult for China to accept the loss of this money. And, as we all understand, it is in fact inevitable today. But the Chinese do not want to come to terms with this. Acknowledge the fact that the Chinese leadership so pummeled - more expensive. And if one of the readers persists in having to pay as a pledge of confidence in American financial instruments, today the Trump administration openly declared a trade war to the whole world, and you talk about some funny trillion in receipts.

And in general, the time is alarming today, there are Arab terrorists and Russian hackers all around ... there’s no time for sentiment. De facto China to this day does not hold independent foreign policy. This was most vividly and vividly demonstrated after the pretentious military exercises "Vostok-2018", where PLA representatives took part and where Putin met with Chinese politicians. Everything was loud and pompous, and then it became known that Celestial banks suspended payments by Russian counterparties on "American sanctions lists." Such is the Chinese "superpower".

For some reason, everyone considers this offensive fact only from the point of view of Russian-Chinese relations. But here we must look in a global sense. Even 10 years ago, all Russian analysts were absolutely convinced that for China, independence in the sphere of finance is the cornerstone of statehood and sovereignty (the notorious “Adventurer” from Omsk built his reasoning on this). And “on you” ... For some reason, most analysts today view this decision of Chinese banks as a blow to the prestige of Russia. I would look at the situation a little differently ...

China is actually “surrounded”: Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, India ... With all these countries, China has serious “territorial fists”. American politicians don’t eat bread and know their stuff. Calling the strategic position of overpopulated China, surrounded by "non-friends", does not turn its language brilliant. China has a lot of problems. And most of them are "American partners." But even “great China” is “not ready” to cooperate in the financial sphere with Russia (it seems like an ally!) Without the permission of the Americans.

"Brilliant isolation number two." And, by the way, the problem of Tibet and the problem of Uigurs, too, has not been canceled ... And behind them (for several generations), there are also American "partners". By the way, at one time the USSR recognized Tibet and Taiwan as Chinese, without question, but Crimea, from the point of view of Beijing, is Ukrainian today ... Such is the “superpower”. Moreover, the degree of influence of Americans on Chinese the inner the policy is such that they are able to allow and prohibit payments to Chinese banks, that is, for Chinese bankers, Washington is more authoritative than Beijing. "My cry."

Something, you know, "I am tormented by vague doubts" in the brilliant prospects of "great China." And you say, they shoot the stolen officials? Let them shoot. Well, if there is no more worthy classes.

Is China a superpower? What is your evidence?
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  1. +7
    16 October 2018 06: 24
    China does not put forward any "alternatives" to Western political (global) ideas.
    .... And so, in theory, I should have ... But I tasted Western values, "fit" into the world economy ... I became a factory of the planet ... and only ...
    1. +7
      16 October 2018 08: 07
      This, of course, has a place to be ... But the fact that China pursues a policy of increasing domestic consumption and, as a result, independence from external factors ... And his example shows that his friends are not only the Chinese army and navy ... But what’s the main ... Chinese banks ...
      1. +13
        16 October 2018 09: 11
        Strange article. Is China a superpower? Who cares?

        You can hang any label from this. It’s not cold or hot in China. Nevertheless, China is firmly in second place in economic power, and is catching up with America. The author is trying to tear politics from the economy, and present the case in such a way that if China does not butt in the United States with Russia, then they say that it is not a superpower. But, after all, Lenin wrote, which became winged words, that politics is a concentrated expression of the economy. Its continuation. Regarding this postulate, everything is normal with politics in China. The economy is growing, so many are envious! What should China harness in conflicts for someone? Now, if someone strongly affects Chinese interests, for this China does not spare money for the army (not the weakest and also has nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles).

        But if we evaluate Russia according to this postulate, then the policy of our "superpower" is somehow not very good, the policy on the economy, unfortunately, is not reflected in any way. The American president called the Russian economy dwarf. I would very much like to disagree with him! But:
        2018 GDP of the world (in trillion dollars)

        1. USA - 20,412

        2. China - 14,092

        3. Japan - 5,167
        ...
        11. Russia - 1,719
        1. +3
          16 October 2018 10: 24
          Quote: Stas157
          You can hang any label from this. It’s not cold or hot in China. Nevertheless, China is firmly in second place in economic power, and is catching up with America.

          Well, more recently, the USSR was second, and where is it all? There is no economy, it has melted away like smoke, but the military potential and authority gained by the ancestors remained ...
          1. +11
            16 October 2018 10: 39
            Quote: zyzx
            There is no economy, it has melted away like smoke, but the military potential and authority gained by the ancestors remained ...

            You are right, we fortunately got a huge military potential from the USSR. But, without a strong economy, it will disappear with time. It is clear that defense spending is 3,5 times less than in China, 5 times less than in the EU, and 10 times less than in the US, and over time they will make themselves felt. And this will clearly not be a plus. In science, Russia is also invested to a minimum, unlike the same countries ...
            It is necessary to look at things in dynamics (like a doctor), with a projection on the future.
            1. +2
              16 October 2018 10: 43
              Quote: Stas157
              But, without a strong economy, it will disappear with time.

              I agree, but only if the Chinese cease to give money to the white masters overseas, so that they would buy their goods. China will simply collapse.
              1. +9
                16 October 2018 10: 49
                Quote: zyzx
                but only if the Chinese cease to give money to the white masters overseas, so that they would buy their goods. China will simply collapse.

                Wealthy China suddenly had a huge domestic market. Under socialism, the USSR with its market existed separately from the US economy, and China can do this too. China can no longer be turned into an outcast like the DPRK. Moreover, Russia will never give up China.

                Now the Chinese have a lot of money, they invest it all over the world in serious projects. And to Russia as well. Sabbet’s landmark project, Yamal LNG, is 20% owned by China.
                1. +1
                  17 October 2018 07: 06
                  Rich China suddenly had a huge domestic market.

                  1 Not suddenly ...
                  2 Relying on the domestic market, without the American market, China will only stagnate at best, although it may spill out. ...

                  Now the Chinese have a lot of money, they invest it all over the world in serious projects. And to Russia, including


                  It is possible that they have the money, but when it took the Credits / Investments to the Russian ally, there was an epic fail
                2. -1
                  18 October 2018 08: 42
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Now the Chinese have a lot of money

                  --------------------------
                  The money masters from the Fed simply devalue the money the Chinese have. China at one time invested heavily in Treasuries to "dictate its will." So he was stupidly "dictaphone" devalued overseas.
                  1. +2
                    18 October 2018 15: 57
                    Quote: Altona
                    The owners of money from the Fed simply devalue the money that the Chinese have.

                    stop, and why then does the Fed have such serious claims against China every time they devalue the yuan? something does not fit ...
        2. +3
          16 October 2018 11: 40
          You can hang any label from this to China or cold is not hot.


          Renome more money ... not heard?

          tearing politics away from the economy, and presenting it so that if China is not butting with the United States for Russia,


          Let's not juggle: the question is not to "butt" the question is that the United States owns a kind of "golden share": they banned China financial cooperation with Russia
          and China obeyed.
          Sorry is NOT a superpower...
          1. +9
            16 October 2018 11: 51
            Quote: Olezhek
            Sorry - this is NOT a superpower ...

            Well, since you insist, so be it! hi All the same, I want to note, at the expense of China’s policy, there’s no need to directly compare it with the Russian one, it has its own traditions and its own path, thanks to which China has come about as a great power. Chinese politics is inconspicuous, non-conflict, creeping and all-consuming ...
          2. dSK
            +4
            16 October 2018 22: 55
            Quote: Olezhek
            NOT a superpower ...
            Quote: Oleg Egorov
            After all, what is the “plug” and the catch
            The Chinese "do not bend their fingers like a fan", drink little and "smoke", work "like blacks":
            With 1979 on 2010 (30 years), China's average annual GDP growth was equal to 9,91%, peaked at 15,2% in 1984, a record low of 3,8% in 1990. / Wikipedia /
            no one has managed to withstand growth of 10% for thirty years. Last year, 6,6%, they themselves say that it is stagnation.
            If we had 6% - noise "to heaven" and "orders in buckets" ...
            USA ... banned China financial cooperation with Russia
            This is said "loudly", cooperation continues, some payments have slowed down, putting pressure on "dependent" banks. But they will find a way out, the Chinese will not give up their benefits. They do a lot of sports "wushu", "aikido" in high esteem:
            Aikido techniques are based on merging with the enemy’s attack, redirecting the attacker's energy and end with a painful capture or throw. / Wikipedia /
            1. +3
              17 October 2018 09: 06
              Quote from dsk
              The Chinese "do not bend their fingers like a fan", drink little and "smoke", work "like blacks":

              The Chinese drink little ... straight amused ...
              Quote from dsk
              They do a lot of sports "wushu", "aikido" in high esteem:

              Aikido - Japanese martial art ...
        3. +2
          16 October 2018 13: 41
          Gdp How did you get your nonsense about GDP. You have no basic ideas about the economy. For the most part, GDP shows the empty transfer of money from pocket to pocket, and the higher and more the sum of such transfers is pulled up, the higher the GDP. Stupid people poking gdp.
        4. 0
          16 October 2018 15: 16
          Quote: Stas157
          You can hang any label from this to China

          I agree!
          article is not very objective!
        5. 0
          21 October 2018 04: 28
          I’m embarrassed to ask about the rate of services and what is the share of the stock market in the US GDP
  2. +17
    16 October 2018 06: 26
    The recipe for the Chinese economic miracle (and before it the Japanese one) is quite simple: serious investments from abroad plus the opening of rich US markets. Well, they flooded ...
    It seems that the difference between these "economic miracles" is present. Firstly, China is "red" with "communists", and not Japan occupied by the USA, which is completely controlled by world capitalism. Secondly (or maybe this should be put in the first place), the whole Chinese miracle began after the events at Damanskoye, after sharp exacerbations with the Soviet Union. Here, the PRC was allowed to rise in the same way as the Third Reich, betting on the eastern version of the anti-USSR, anti-Russia. This is the main underlying reason why the West allowed Chinese "national communists" to pump up China's power at our borders. A superpower is necessarily an empire, as it was at two world poles, the camp of socialism, and the world of capitalism. China is not an empire, and it can only become one by military means, as the Nazis did under Hitler, crushing the potential of almost all of Europe for a war with the USSR. In the case of China, these are the resources of all neighboring countries, to which China has long had territorial claims. In particular, to Russia, and without the squeezing of Russian territories, the "Chinese miracle", in its hypertrophied economy, poisoned soils and an acute shortage of fresh water, will simply bend. There is no internationalism, an indispensable feature of socialism and communism, in China, to help the "poor and the poor", to build a just society of socialism and communism on the planet, China will not, in this regard, the Chinese "communists" are closer to the German workers' National Socialist Party under Hitler, therefore , on China, as the new pole of world socialism, you can put a cross. China is a potential aggressor, a protégé of world capitalism, whose main task, earlier, was the destruction-weakening of the USSR, now, Russia, as a country that received military potential from the Soviet Union, still allows to destroy the United States. Therefore, China is a very muddy "friend" to us, and we must very carefully build our relations with such a neighbor. For the rest, the sooner they begin to create (revive) a real multipolar world (the Second World Pole, socialism) in Russia, the sooner they come out of a foreign pole, from under alien world rules, under the masters of world capitalism imprisoned, the better.
    1. +7
      16 October 2018 07: 28
      The whole Chinese miracle began after the events in Damansky, after sharp aggravations with the Soviet Union. Here, the PRC was allowed to rise just as the Third Reich, betting on the eastern version of the anti-USSR, anti-Russia. This is the main root reason why the West allowed Chinese "national communists" to pump up China's power at our borders.


      There is a certain sense in this idea by the way ....
      1. +4
        16 October 2018 10: 01
        There is a certain sense in this idea by the way ....


        This sense is two hundred years old at lunchtime. Earlier it was professed by England, and this was called "equality on the mainland." The point is simple - we help France if it is weaker than Germany. Or we help Germany if she is weaker than France.
        Otherwise, the strong will make the weak a vassal and force them to pounce on England together. It's the same here. Only the USA-England, France-USSR. It remains to help Germany - China become equal on the mainland. And let them figure it out on the mainland. And "we" help the weak behind the puddle. The United States will also help Russia when the time comes.
        1. +6
          16 October 2018 10: 30
          The US will also help Russia when the time comes.


          During WWII, "time" came after Stalingrad ...
          but not before ....
          Shybko they did not want to help us ...
      2. +2
        16 October 2018 18: 35
        Quote: Per se.
        Secondly (and maybe this should be put in the first place), the whole Chinese miracle began after the events on Damansky, after sharp exacerbations with the Soviet Union. Here, China was allowed to rise just like the Third Reich, betting on the eastern version of anti-USSR, anti-Russia.

        Quote: Olezhek
        There is a certain sense in this idea by the way ....

        I completely agree, but if we take into account the fact that the USSR, represented by Khrushchev, during the Sino-Taiwan crises up to the military, two or three times threatened war on the side of China if the United States took part in it, then Damansky is a crack in relations between Russia and China, and through the fault of China, was used by America for rethinking, the result: in addition to direct economic benefits for America's business, Russia at its side gets a neighbor who should not be overlooked. I will also note that strong China is not a friend of the United States, by the way, in China they understand everything, I am more than sure of this and try to squeeze out of the situation everything possible and impossible for themselves, this is dictated by the situation itself when the strongest survives. In principle, the United States did nothing new in China, before them the USSR helped China by standing factories, supplying weapons, training cadres, knocking out a place for them in the UN, and in my opinion it was right China was more and more distracting and diverting the forces of the opposing forces sides to us. I have always believed that we should be careful in our relations with China, but for now it is our ally at least by the fact that it exists and does not want a repetition of British, Japanese interventions, neither direct nor under any other sauce under the guise of economic expansion. And China also knows Russia will never be stabbed in the back. There is only one thing missing, we are not sure about China, I am not about the government, I am about myself and judging by the comments here on VO over the past few years, many others too.
    2. +2
      16 October 2018 10: 29
      Quote: Per se.
      completely controlled by world capitalism

      Yes, and China, too, the name of the occupying forces, MONEY! A modern Chinese will sell his native village for his grandmother.
    3. +2
      16 October 2018 10: 40
      Quote: Per se.
      First, China is "red" with "communists

      I've read Marx with Lenin. Well there are no communists there.
      1. +5
        16 October 2018 12: 50
        Quote: zyzx
        I've read Marx with Lenin.
        Konstantin, I also believe that there are no real communists in China, therefore, what you quoted as a quote I had in quotes. China and not a socialist country, already by the fact that it fought against socialist Vietnam, and, as we were taught, a war between socialist countries is impossible. Chinese nationalism, as I said above, is essentially the same "socialism" for China as German National Socialism was for Germany. The irony of history is that it was thanks to the help of the Soviet Union that China was raised out of shit and poverty, thanks to socialism, its international ideology. The West would not spend money on this, but the West used our geopolitical mistake, and for our kindness we have now got a hungry monster on our borders, which does not even hide its territorial claims and ambitions for hegemony. If our clever people who picked up capitalism from the trash heap of history and fell under someone else's system, change another dollar for the Chinese yuan, it will be completely sad.
    4. +1
      16 October 2018 15: 19
      Quote: Per se.
      China is a potential aggressor, a protege of world capitalism, whose main task, earlier, is the destruction, weakening of the USSR, now, of Russia,

      straight slogan! with your ideology!
      1. +1
        17 October 2018 14: 19
        Well, the slogan is not a slogan, but there is a prediction that China will abruptly flee economically, and the Chinese for the huge, from their point of view, handing over of the states will enter the war with Russia. Those. China will hire arrogant Saxons for a war for meaningless candy wrappers with zeros.
    5. 0
      18 October 2018 20: 12
      I subscribe to your every word! A clear analytical layout laid out! +++
    6. 0
      21 October 2018 04: 30
      good koment!
  3. +9
    16 October 2018 06: 27
    And for some reason they actively admire him. Frankly: I do not know what it is connected with, I do not understand.

    And why is it not clear ... The Chinese are not destroying their home with revolutions and reforms in the image of our stupid reforms ... but they are slowly and surely building the next floor ... roughly speaking the next floor of their economic achievements ... what can I say well done.
    1. +6
      16 October 2018 07: 00
      the Chinese do not demolish their home with revolutions and reforms in the image and likeness of our stupid reforms ... but slowly and truly building


      Now, explain why the Japanese economic miracle was blown away?
      Explain how "Japanese" "Korean" "Chinese" miracles would have been possible without Western markets and investments?
      On internal reserves, the Chinese after Tiananmen would have tried to "upgrade" to the USSR of the 20s for another 80 years
      1. 0
        16 October 2018 07: 05
        why was the Japanese economic miracle "blown away"?
        +

        More about the Japanese and Chinese here ...
        hi https://inosmi.ru/economic/20171124/240843628.html
      2. +6
        16 October 2018 08: 18
        Quote: Olezhek
        Now explain why the Japanese economic miracle?

        How did it manifest itself? In the development of investments of the unrecognized USSR and CMEA currency? Or in stupid copying and development of everything new and advanced (even developments from "Technology of Youth" and "Science and Technology"), which were so consistently dismissed by domestic "technical experts". It is now very patriotic to declare the leadership of the developments of Soviet geniuses in various fields, and earlier all this "know-how" was gathering dust in the cabinets and on the shelves of VOIR and other organizations.
        The Japanese miracle was not blown away. It stopped developing at the same pace for two reasons: political dependence on our enemy and limited space. As for the achievements, they are, and they look pretty pretty and respectable.
      3. +1
        16 October 2018 10: 45
        Quote: Olezhek
        Explain how "Japanese" "Korean" "Chinese" miracles would have been possible without Western markets and investments?

        I agree with you, only now in general sur, the Chinese give the Yankees money, so that they buy their goods.
        1. 0
          16 October 2018 10: 57
          I agree with you, only now in general sur, the Chinese give the Yankees money, so that they buy their goods.


          Otherwise, it is impossible - otherwise the whole system will fall apart ... and all Chinese wealth in the form of "honestly earned dollars" will turn to dust ... request
      4. 0
        16 October 2018 18: 47
        Quote: Olezhek
        why was the Japanese economic miracle "blown away"?

        Can I wedge in? The Japanese economic miracle began to blow away in the seventies, when their business began to do the same thing that the American business did in relation to Japan, that is, taking out its production facilities in Thailand, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, raising these "Asian tigers" so much that in the late eighties years in Japan, firms began to appear that produced fakes for those products from these countries that were counterfeits under Japanese brands.
        1. 0
          17 October 2018 07: 02
          in Japan began to appear firms producing fakes on those products from these countries that were fakes under Japanese brands.


          Very, very unexpected! laughing
    2. 0
      16 October 2018 15: 20
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      What can I say well done.

      I agree!
      in the confrontation of the two superpowers, China received its profit!
  4. +1
    16 October 2018 06: 40
    People write history ... So, there are doubts about the great antiquity of China. The Chinese themselves composed. In addition to this artificial antiquity, they have nothing ideologically. If it weren’t for the states, they would not have succeeded. The West helped them! Well, or they came up with an economic feint to develop. And then, in the future, they thought they would become the main bosses on the globe. The CPSU also solved its economic problems by surrendering its superiority in space to the states (this is me about the moon). The result was that today there is neither the USSR nor the CPSU. And about the Russian (Russian) ideology. Ideology is ideology when it is supported by the masses. So our ideology was born in the Stalinist 30s. And it developed successfully for about 20 years, until they removed Stalin, Beria and the like. Next came the eating of the inheritance.
    1. +3
      16 October 2018 07: 02
      So, there are doubts about the great antiquity of China. The Chinese themselves composed it. In addition to this artificial antiquity


      Well, the fact that China is an ancient civilization is like a fact.
      The question is the exact timing ...
      but these are details.
      1. -1
        16 October 2018 10: 48
        Quote: Olezhek
        Well, the fact that China is an ancient civilization is like a fact.

        Did you personally check this? At one time, HISTORIANS agreed to believe that it be ancient.
        After about 100 years, a certain Olezhik will write, well, the fact that Ukrainians are an ancient civilization is a fact of life.
    2. +3
      16 October 2018 08: 32
      Quote: shamil
      In addition to this artificial antiquity, they have nothing ideologically. If it weren’t for the states, they would not have succeeded. The West helped them!

      No matter how old they were, population growth was noted in a positive direction. The US used our neighbor correctly on the principle: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." It is necessary to change the direction in building socialism so much after Stalin's death that the leader of the PRC said:
      Mao Zedong, New China, Beijing. 1964, No. 12: “After 1953, nationalists and careerists, bribes covered from the Kremlin, came to power in the USSR. When the time comes, they will drop their masks, throw away party cards and will openly rule their counties as feudal lords and serfs. ”

      As for the friendship between Russia and China, it has always been the friendship of the owner and the cat. And it is reckless to believe that these guys will substitute their shoulder at the right moment, and will not give the bandwagon. It's just that under the current circumstances, when the Russian society is taught to live according to the laws of the HCH, we have no associates left. There are like-minded people, but no one will fight (in which case) for the "Russian idea", the goals of which are not only vague, but are embodied in the thoughts of one person (he is the only one who knows), except for the Russians themselves.
      PS I don’t know if Chinese TV shows people pouring dirt on China, its leader and the Chinese people, as it happens in Russia, while paying money that would be useful for state employees, pensioners and sick children ...
    3. -2
      16 October 2018 08: 46
      It is not a matter of ideology or other similar substances. The world needed a cheap factory. And she would have appeared anyway. China did what others did not dare. They say here about Chinese banks. But let's tell you the truth, everything serious in the banking sector, China received in '98. Hong Kong just became Chinese. With all exchanges, banks. And they made it so that all this would not suffer. Still not intervening in these structures. And do not care about the idiology of everyone there. This is huge money and controlled by China.
    4. 0
      16 October 2018 13: 44
      There is a reasoned version that the history of China was written by European missionaries. And the first in China were the Jesuits. They made up all this waste paper about China
    5. 0
      16 October 2018 15: 21
      Quote: shamil
      Next came the eating of the inheritance.

      100%
  5. +7
    16 October 2018 06: 44
    China stupidly trades and just invests
    Oh oh Only stupidly trades and nothing more? In the article, the author tries to nullify the achievements of China and claims that this country looks into the mouth of the United States in its foreign policy. I do not agree and will not even begin to discuss this topic, because time will dot all I.
    1. +1
      16 October 2018 07: 10
      I do not agree and I will not even argue on this topic, because time dot the i


      That is years so through 500 belay will we see the enchanting output of the Red Dragon?

      In the article, the author tries to nullify China’s achievements and claims that this country looks into the US mouth in its foreign policy.


      A little bit wrong - the policy of the PRC does not pull even sovereign... alas ...
      Here even if you compare (you will laugh bully ) with Yasel (taking into account the scale of kaneshna)
      That can be very surprised ...
      1. 0
        16 October 2018 07: 34
        Quote: Olezhek
        China’s policy doesn’t even pull on the sovereign

        And what is a power? laughing The World Control Center is moving from Anglo-Saxons to China. How soon? The biggest years are 15-20.
      2. +2
        16 October 2018 08: 48
        Quote: Olezhek
        A little bit wrong - the policy of the PRC is not even pulling on the sovereign ...

        Oh, do you? belay Sovereign, say? Then give one example when the Chinese appeared under someone else’s flag and stood on a hood to the sounds of someone else’s anthem ... belay
        Then the author issued:
        Something, you know, "I am tormented by vague doubts" in the brilliant prospects of "great China". And you say they shoot the stealing officials? Let them shoot. Well, if there are no more worthy occupations.

        Let me also express those vague doubts that torment me in the brilliant prospects of "Great Russia." You say that here the stealing officials of Yeltsin and later periods are released in peace regardless of the results of work and the compliance of the tax return data with actual incomes and the presence of property of suspiciously high cost? You claim that to pay what you deserve in Russia means to receive awards of various degrees for serving the Fatherland, whose care and love have been kindly treated by several thousand citizens? Let China be shot for it. Well, if there are no more worthy occupations. Our worthy occupation consists in expressing concern and keeping the Russian people in constant amazement at the scale of corruption, embezzlement and lawlessness ... Recently, blatant mediocrity and meekness has begun to mix with this belay request
        1. -3
          16 October 2018 09: 11
          A little bit wrong - the policy of the PRC is not even pulling on the sovereign ...

          Oh, do not you? belay statehood, speak? Then give one example when the Chinese


          Just about - give such an example, a global, sovereign policy of the PRC
          not reckoning with short-term losses, but pursuing far-reaching global goals
          Mayor?
          The Great WAY From Sholk - sorry, our "shuttle" but inflated to a global scale ...
          You can not and pursue a global policy and make it profitable at every stage to the smallest detail and cents.
        2. +1
          16 October 2018 10: 51
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Let me also express those vague doubts that torment me in the brilliant prospects of "Great Russia"

          There was confusion and Poles in the Kremlin in Russia and the war, led by Gorab, lost to the Japanese .... that is, Nikolai two, and embezzlement and oligarchy, everyone survived and Putin and Mishka are not the worst trials ...
      3. 0
        16 October 2018 08: 50
        And what is her sovereign policy? Who defines this framework? We are all supposedly proud of our foreign policy. And everything seems to be fine, and independent. And what is the profit from this?) Do investors run to us? Does everyone respect us? Nope. China does not climb the hill. He sits and watches how others on this hill extinguish each other. And then quietly and calmly this hill will go. Maybe after 500 years, or maybe after 50. Now they have a unique chance for this. Masks are removed, everything has opened.
        1. -1
          16 October 2018 09: 42
          And what is her sovereign policy? Who defines this framework? We're all supposedly proud of our foreign policy. And everything seems fine


          Although on the other hand, how many cigarettes and condoms could be sold at the gates of American military bases? belay
          This is worth thinking about ...
        2. 0
          16 October 2018 10: 53
          Quote: Bull Terrier
          And what is her sovereign policy? Who defines this framework? We are all supposedly proud of our foreign policy. And everything seems to be fine, and independent. And what is the profit from this?)

          Well, yes, the huckster measures everything with grandmas. Well, and what profit was to fight with Hitler. Some expenses ....
  6. +6
    16 October 2018 07: 06
    What was the “trick” even if the poor USSR after WWII? He was not “tied” to Western decision centers. He pursued an independent foreign policy. He was ideologically, politically, culturally independent.
    A very controversial idea of ​​the author. The USSR was in one way or another "tied" to the Western centers. Why do I think so? Because the policy of the USSR was based on confrontation. Two military blocs, two models of the economic structure. And at every step of the West, anywhere in the world, the USSR was forced to react. Write about grain purchases and the oil needle ?.
    What about China? And what about China? China offers nothing to anyone. China does not put forward any "alternatives" to Western political (global) ideas.
    Here is the answer. He sits to himself, offers nothing to anyone. I have a cat like that. Lies to himself, doesn’t touch anyone, doesn’t suck at anyone .. Only the sausage has disappeared from the table ... winked
    But even “the great China” is “not ready” to cooperate in the financial sphere with Russia (sort of like an ally!) Without the permission of the Americans.
    One of the favorite Chinese sayings: "Why waste money?"

    In my opinion, the whole article is full of some kind of resentment of the author against the Chinese. "They don't listen to Russia, they trade with the West. They seem to be friends and allies, so you need to hug, kiss on the lips ...". Ha ha ha ...
    1. -1
      16 October 2018 07: 14
      A very controversial idea of ​​the author. The USSR was somehow "tied" to the Western centers. Why do I think so? Because the policy of the USSR was based on confrontation. Two military blocks, two models of the economic structure


      So the policy of the West was based on confrontation ... right?

      Here is the answer. Sits to himself, offers nothing to anyone.


      1 Then who needs him as an ally
      2 They have already got to the bottom of quiet China ... and he suddenly found himself in splendid isolation ...

      In my opinion, the whole article is full of some kind of resentment of the author against the Chinese. “They don’t listen to Russia, they trade with the West. They seem to be friends and allies, so you need to hug, kiss on the lips.


      You are very poorly versed in politics.
      It is not built on emotions. request
      1. +4
        16 October 2018 07: 33
        So the policy of the West was based on confrontation ... right?
        Not certainly in that way. The possibilities are different for the parties simply. It’s the whole story that we tried to "Catch up and overtake ...".
        1 Then who needs him as an ally
        Everyone, including Russia.
        You are very poorly versed in politics.
        It is not built on emotions.
        I agree that politics is based on the interests of their state, and not "like allies." I repeat once again - you are considering the behavior of China from a slightly naive position - "if Petka is my friend, then why is he playing with Vaska."

        Read carefully:
        "The PRC will not strive for hegemony, will not behave as a leader, will pursue an independent and independent foreign policy and will not become someone else's satellite." China aims to maximize the opportunities of economic globalization, to study and benefit from the achievements of universal civilization, discarding ideological biases and patterns.
        1. -3
          16 October 2018 07: 37
          Then who needs him as an ally?


          Everyone, including Russia


          As a country that de facto does not conduct its own global policy?
          What for???

          I repeat once again - you are considering the behavior of China from a slightly naive position - "if Petka is my friend, then why is he playing with Vaska.


          Comrad, I didn't write in an article about "petek and vasek" ..
          Do you understand the situation only at this level?
          Here is this primitivization - who needs it?
          Or do you explain to schoolchildren?
          1. +4
            16 October 2018 07: 48
            As a country that de facto does not conduct its own global policy?
            Well, what should China do in order for your foreign policy to become its own global from your point of view?
            Do you understand the situation only at this level?
            Here is this primitivization - who needs it?

            Take it easy. Carefully re-read your article and find the places where you are offended by China because it, for example, has still not recognized Crimea, imposed banking sanctions on Russia, and did not sell debt receipts after Russia .. Speaking about the reasons, you conclude about the dependence of China’s policy on the West. Well, if he did, then some John Smith from Texas in his article at the VO there wrote about the dependence of China’s foreign policy on Russia ....
          2. -2
            16 October 2018 08: 05
            Quote: Olezhek
            As a country that de facto does not conduct its own global policy?

            In the world, only three countries have the ability to pursue global politics. These are the USA, China and Russia.

            There are three civilizations in the World: Western civilization, Eastern civilization and Russian civilization. Depending on who is "friends" with whom against the third, they urinate.

            During the "Opium Wars" we were "friends" with the West against China. Under Stalin, we were "friends" with China against the West. During Khrushchev's time, China was "friends" with the West against us.

            Now remember how this "friendship" was reflected on us and on World politics in general.
        2. -2
          16 October 2018 09: 07
          "China will not seek hegemony, will not behave as a leader, will conduct an independent and independent foreign policy and will not become anyone's satellite"


          Very nice blah blah blah ...
          Today, in practice, everything looks to China somehow not very convincing ...

          And such abstruse political verses about sneaking tigers and hidden dragons can be written for miles. ...
          1. +4
            16 October 2018 09: 23
            Very nice blah blah blah ...
            Today, in practice, everything looks to China somehow not very convincing ...
            It doesn't look convincing to you. Now, if Comrade Xi Jinping knocked on the podium with a Nukie sneaker or Gui-Mu promised to let the capitalists in, that would be yes .. Convincing and accessible wink
            And such abstruse political verses about sneaking tigers and hidden dragons can be written for miles. ...
            You didn’t even bother to find the source of this paragraph ...

            In short, Oleg, your opinion in the article is set out on the basis of your views on Chinese policy, taking into account your picture of the world. We, your readers, read and comment on this article based on our pictures of the world. I understand that on each sentence of your article you have worked hard for a long time and therefore snarl .. Maybe it’s worth lowering your pressure a bit, otherwise it will bring you down. winked
            Calm down, read all comments slowly, think over and write Part 2.
            1. -2
              16 October 2018 09: 36
              Now, if Comrade Xi Jinping knocked on the podium with a Nukie sneaker or Gui-Mu promised to let the capitalists in, that would be yes .. Convincing and accessible


              The Americans have ordered the Chinese to restrict financial transactions with Russian banks that fell under the sanctions and they "took it under the hood"
              (if cho - I myself encountered)
              The position of the heroically great-power Ketai: America America is all cooler and tryndets ... And the whole truth in the world is on the side of the USA!
              Hurray Hurray Hurray !!! God bless the Fed !!!

              And Russia is an ugly offender ... who needs to be punished (Omeriga said so!) God save America!
              And after that they talk to us as "underage buyers of adult magazines" ... (you are not a friend of the great and mighty USA? So you are a thief and a criminal!)
              After that, any fables about the great-power China - Russia's ally, I personally cause exclusively heartburn ...

              So to speak, if cho "I am writing from a burning tank" and you are telling me about the fire safety of diesel engines ...

              .
              1. -1
                16 October 2018 09: 44
                Quote: Olezhek
                ... if cho "I write from a burning tank" ...

                From this? From Abrams? laughing

              2. 0
                16 October 2018 09: 59
                if cho - I myself ran into
                I’m thinking where such passions come from .. I hope everything will be fine, don’t worry so ...
                There is no need to assess the decisions of the Chinese bankers in terms of your interests. Well, or the interests of Russia. "Why waste money" .. Do you understand?
                And by the way, do restrictions on yuan transfers apply? wink
                Great-Power China - Ally of Russia
                Well, you give. "And here some began to allow themselves to sew on patch pockets and trim the sleeve ...". Are you being told fables from all sides that China is our ally? Don't hang out with these people anymore ... wink
                I personally cause exclusively heartburn ...
                Try warm mineral water without gas. They write that helps ...
                1. +1
                  16 October 2018 10: 10
                  Take it easy.

                  I hope everything will be fine, do not worry so ...


                  Komrad - if you communicate with your close friends, then maybe this is normal (in your circle)
                  Well, somehow with people unfamiliar (who did not come to see a psychoanalyst) this is somehow not accepted ...

                  In the end - that you personally are absolutely foreign "experiences"?
                  1. +4
                    16 October 2018 10: 25
                    Do you, as a journalist, not know what to convey intonations in the text - a great talent and not given to everyone. Are you sure you understood me correctly? I sincerely hope that all your problems with bad Chinese banks will be resolved without any special losses for you. Do not be angry.
                    Here's a Japanese saying: "If a problem can be solved, then there is no need to worry about it, if it cannot be solved, then it is useless to worry about it."
                    1. +1
                      16 October 2018 20: 46
                      Quote: tasha
                      Here's a Japanese saying: "If a problem can be solved, then there is no need to worry about it, if it cannot be solved, then it is useless to worry about it."
                      Tasha, without connection with the controversy, the proverb hooked, good, wise. But now, instead of going out and getting down to business, I’ve been deciding for an hour how to solve the problem, and especially how to solve the problem? hi
              3. +1
                16 October 2018 16: 03
                Quote: Olezhek
                After that, any fables about the great-power China - Russia's ally, I personally cause exclusively heartburn ...

                The Chinese have proposed combining their navigation satellite system with our GLONASS.
    2. +1
      16 October 2018 11: 00
      Quote: tasha
      A very controversial idea of ​​the author. The USSR was in one way or another "tied" to the Western centers. Why do I think so? Because the policy of the USSR was based on confrontation

      Here it is not necessary la, la. Something about the iron curtain Churchill in Fulton was broadcasting, not Stalin in Moscow. Confrontation needs capital.
      1. 0
        16 October 2018 11: 03
        Here it is not necessary la, la.

        Glad you read my comment. Have you read the whole thing? "And at every step of the West, anywhere in the world, the USSR was forced to react ..". Because for various reasons, he was drawn into this confrontation.
        In the same way, China is forced to respond to world events. Great power, there is no choice, otherwise their own interests will suffer. But how to react is his business ...
        1. 0
          18 October 2018 18: 07
          Great power, there is no choice, otherwise your own interests will suffer. But how to react is his business ..

          For some reason, I remembered how small Japan, after a collision with black ships, Perry made an industrial revolution,
          and at the same time, the great Ketais shagged off their thousand-year ompany for a reasonable amount of opium ...

          something like this ... request
          1. 0
            19 October 2018 05: 19
            What a wonderful memory you have. Selective only. At the same time, another power lost the war. Only opium was far and expensive to drive into it ... And the size did not allow it to turn into a semi-colony, where Sevastopol and the imperial palace .. In China, they reached the capital ...
            Then write, please, that there is a superpower "according to Egorov". Perhaps we just disagree in terminology?
            1. 0
              19 October 2018 07: 37
              What a wonderful memory you have. Ballot only. At the same time, another power lost the war. Only opium in it was carried far and expensive ..


              Opium - Never experienced "logistics problems". For some goods, "far and expensive" does not exist in principle ...
              1. 0
                19 October 2018 07: 42
                About opium is an allegory, an allegory.
  7. -1
    16 October 2018 07: 08
    It is difficult to certify China as a country with a stagnant commodity economy.
    1. -2
      16 October 2018 07: 11
      Are you talking about what? belay
      1. -2
        16 October 2018 09: 53
        About the fact that the PRC authorities did not disrupt a single state armament program over the past 10 years.
        1. +2
          16 October 2018 10: 27
          Honor and praise them. I pay my rent too.
          1. -2
            16 October 2018 10: 59
            The State Duma received a proposal to reduce the cost of maintaining apartments between all tenants. This means that far from all tenants are able to pay for an apartment.
  8. 0
    16 October 2018 07: 37
    I agree with the author. The Communist Party of China is not building. For the unification of the country for its development, the CPC does a lot. But Chinese communism is only for internal use and does not manifest itself externally.
    1. +2
      16 October 2018 09: 58
      "Communism for internal consumption" is well said, but in China, in fact, communism is not being built (despite the external communist attributes). In China, they are building an open (as opposed to a closed-clan-tribal) caste society with elements of social justice according to Confucius and Mao (justice in the Chinese way).
      At one of the CPC plenums, China, quite officially and openly, took a course towards the "Chineseization" of the entire Earth. Only not on the "forced", as the USSR once tried to impose on everyone "socialism-communism" in the most primitive "Marxist" understanding, but by example to prove the advantages of the "Chinese way of development", that is, to develop your country in such a way, in the economic, political and public plans for all the inhabitants of the Earth to want to become "Chinese". At the same time, it was emphasized that this is a very distant goal, perhaps more than one century. My opinion is that the goal is utopian (we are all too different, and even some of the mighty will not give other goals), but the goal is nevertheless set .... and what is the goal of Russia? Become a "province" of China? To bring the "Slavic world together" (it is not clear just why, for the new Tsar?) Or simply to become a "world gas station" and a source of resources? Or something different? It's time to decide.
      1. -2
        16 October 2018 11: 02
        Quote: Snail N9
        Only not on the "forced", as the USSR once tried to impose on everyone "socialism-communism

        And to whom specific, we need names ....
        1. +1
          16 October 2018 11: 27
          And to whom specific, we need names ....

          To school....
  9. +2
    16 October 2018 08: 08
    It seems you know a lot, but unexpectedly
    the banks of the Celestial Empire have suspended payments of Russian counterparties under the "American sanction lists"
  10. +4
    16 October 2018 08: 09
    The author writing "about China" did not understand the main thing - the wise Chinese made a conclusion from their searches of the last hundred years. The whole point of Chinese policy lies in a clear understanding of China's interests in line with the understanding of the world political and economic situation, and not in contradiction to them, but in following and in accordance with them. As the Chinese say: "if you go with the flow, having caught the stream, then it is easy to swim without wasting energy and you just need to follow the controls, adjusting the boat in the right direction in time ... and if you go against the flow, you have to spend a lot of energy, fight the waves that will interfere with your movement, knock you off course and, as a result, the boat may not even move forward, but be thrown back and may, in general, turn over ".... The Chinese wisely follow the world conjuncture, while strictly observing their interests and they are not in a hurry, if somewhere, something does not work out, they do not "tear the veins", but retreat, look for workarounds, etc. The Chinese dragon knows how to wait and he also knows how to lull the enemy with his "serene" appearance - the Chinese do everything silently, obeying the policy of "small steps" -slowly, retreating, sometimes stepping to the side, but all the same, just forward .... Confucianism assumes the meaning of life only in motion - all death has stopped. Even Sun Tzu wrote that there is no need to rebuild the world - it will rebuild itself when the time comes, for harmony and prosperity you need to be able to live in this world, to be able to use its capabilities for your own good. What China is doing, it will never be on anyone's side, it will never be a "friend" to someone .... China will always use everything around it only for its own good, China will always be, only on its side -part of their interests .....
    1. +2
      16 October 2018 08: 27
      Moreover, one should not forget that the Chinese consider themselves to be a "supernation" —all other nations, such as lower, and therefore, the interests of even any "screwed up" Chinese should be higher for the state than the interests of any "non-Chinese". By the way, this is what gives them an inoculation against all kinds of "friendship" - those who should be used cannot be "friends" - they are only fellow travelers, a tool in moving towards goals .......
      1. +2
        16 October 2018 08: 29
        that the Chinese consider themselves - a "supernation" - all other nations, such as lower, and therefore, the interests of even any "screwed up" Chinese should be for the state above the interests of any "non-Chinese"


        The Germans also thought so ... you can count anything at all - the question is what will come of it ...
    2. +3
      16 October 2018 08: 28
      The Chinese wisely follow the world conjuncture, at the same time, strictly observing their interests and are not in a hurry - if something does not work out somewhere, they do not "tear the veins", but retreat, looking for workarounds, etc. The Chinese dragon knows how to wait


      You still know, Kamerad, it all sounded very beautiful and very wise ...
      That was all this took place before the introduction of economic sanctions by the United States.
      After that, the Chinese leaders began literally hysterical ...
      What particularly manifested itself at the next BRICS summit in South Africa; the Chinese were tearing and throwing
      threatened ... hysteria and called upon everyone ... to fight for the freedom of trade ...

      Every boxer has a fight plan ...
      1. +1
        16 October 2018 08: 45
        Come on, "hysterical" ... The Chinese calmly called on the United States to abide by the WTO rules, which were, with the participation of the Americans and developed and under which the signatures of American representatives are, and reminded that if the United States does not comply with these rules, then the whole point of the WTO is destroyed and this organization no longer makes sense. And they urged to file a complaint from victims of US actions in WTO arbitration. In my opinion they act "within the framework" of the rule of law. That's all. Where is the "hysteria"?
        1. +4
          16 October 2018 09: 05
          The Chinese calmly called on the United States to comply with the WTO rules, which were with the participation of the Americans and were developed and signed by American representatives, and reminded that if the United States does not comply with these rules, then


          So what? as a matter of fact?
          China has a huge surplus in trade with the United States.
          Many of this explains a kind of "chyudo" in the Chinese economy.
          What will happen without this surplus?
          (for the USA it is a deficit) Japan has a similar situation back in the 80's
          Trump and those who stand behind him decided to cover up the shop ...

          What can a proud and lonely China do in this situation?
          Statements to do?
          1. 0
            16 October 2018 10: 59
            What can a proud and lonely China do in this situation?
            Statements to do?

            Why not? Don't you remember where the "1001 warning * came from?" Once again, I repeat, China knows how to wait and even use "defeat" for its own benefit.
            1. +3
              17 October 2018 07: 10
              Don't you remember where the "1001 warning *" came from?


              I remember I remember ... 731 is the latest Chinese warning.
              The expression is mocking
    3. +1
      19 October 2018 07: 05
      Exactly! You literally revealed the very essence of the existence of the Chinese organism (monster)! +++
  11. +1
    16 October 2018 09: 34
    oh yes author, oh yes well done. article + 100500. recall from our 90s: if you gave money, then your head should hurt (how to return it), and not from the debtor. often debtors "ordered" borrowers so as not to repay debts ( US trade war with China and Trump on a white horse). We cannot be led now (and recently it is), we must use China to its fullest (as the Chinese bent us with the "power of Siberia") and no pity, only business.
    I am tormented by the question: Putin bought Xi Jinping honey at the eastern economic forum on purpose or by accident (Xi Jinping in China has the nickname Winnie the Pooh and he hates everything related to Winnie the Pooh)?
    https://politicworld.ru/putin-podaril-si-tszinpinu-myod/ laughing
    1. +3
      16 October 2018 11: 11
      There is an even more interesting article there - https://politicworld.ru/kitaj-otkazalsya-kreditovat-rossiyu-v-yuanyah/ it shows that China does not put Russia at all, and the "yuan" hope for "de-dollarization" Russian banking and economy is unrealizable. Once again, I repeat, China is pursuing its own interests everywhere and in everything.
      1. +2
        16 October 2018 11: 37
        Once again, China everywhere and in everything pursues only its own interests.


        Listen and what's new, original in this thought?
        In pursuit of self-interest?
        China does not want to work with Rosbank not on the basis of purely commercial interests, but on the basis of
        US order
        Excuse me, where is the great power? Where is your own interest?
        If China is afraid of American sanctions, then this is kind of a very big France ...
        1. +1
          16 October 2018 12: 22
          Quote: Olezhek
          China does not want to work with Rosbanks not on the basis of purely commercial interests, but on the basis of a US order

          Well, if commercial interests were completely absent
          Provide capital with 10% of the profit, and the capital agrees to any use, at 20% it becomes lively, at 50% it is positively ready to break its head, at 100% it violates all human laws, with 300% there is no crime that he did not dare would go, at least under pain of the gallows
          the classic is right, on the part of the states there is more profit.
        2. 0
          16 October 2018 12: 32
          In your concept, "great power" is "to pursue your goals in spite of everything"? Push through, impose your opinion on others ..... to fight for every "word against"? What does "great power" have to do with it? Why is she really a great nation? China deals with the Uighurs and Mongols in a "great power" manner. I wrote above, "China's great power in the international arena is to act by" soft power ", to use already existing world institutions for its development" and, using this development as an example, to show the others the advantages of this "Chinese" way.
          1. +2
            17 October 2018 07: 13
            In your concept, "great power" is "to pursue your goals in spite of everything"? Push through, impose your opinion on others ..... to fight for every "word against"? What does "great power" have to do with it?


            At least not to allow yourself to be treated like a naughty puppy ...
        3. -3
          16 October 2018 12: 47
          But can Russian banks offer Chinese banks something more interesting or more profitable than American ones? Regarding trillions of US government debt obligations. China will never lose its money, because if you go deeper into the topic, then the entire state debt is provided not by the Fed, but industry and economy. Mattresses Stable and timely make payments on your debt. If you take a loan from a bank for a round sum, then the bank takes personal property on bail and if it does not pay, it will be transferred to the bank. Many countries have production in China, which China used to have I couldn’t have mastered it purely financially.
          1. +1
            16 October 2018 15: 18
            Is Rossbank can offer Chinese banks something more interesting or more profitable than the American ones?


            Why can't the banks of Great China work simultaneously with both Russia and the USA?
            1. -3
              16 October 2018 17: 17
              Maybe then relations with fsh should be better than at times. The same merikos did not badly accuse some European companies of working with them and with Iran. So to say, they can’t eat fish and bones. America is lobbying in this way Since China cannot offer China at least as much as the United States, it makes no sense to talk about friendship. It’s just that the USSR was friends for beautiful eyes, and more precisely for communist ideas. There were both positive and negative points. Now friendship between the states is carried out for you. For example, it is very difficult to make friends with less powerful geopolitical players, since by and large they have nothing to offer besides a very limited type of goods and services.
              1. +1
                17 October 2018 07: 08
                until Russia can offer China at least the same as the United States, there’s no point in talking about friendship


                What are you talking about? about a political partnership or the purchase of kept women?
                (some today are confused)
      2. 0
        16 October 2018 12: 13
        Quote: Snail N9
        Once again, China everywhere and in everything pursues only its own interests.

        that's why there are 2.5 thousand years. here we would be so.
        1. +1
          17 October 2018 16: 17
          and was not conquered only by the lazy
  12. -4
    16 October 2018 11: 32
    The author is a great fellow. All right. China is a globalist project and, I repeat, does not bring ANYTHING good or new. This is not the Soviet Union, but a chimera, hypocritically transparent. It's just that the Chinese are cunning, but the sense of them in practice is zero for the human race. Their whole culture is mossy and wild. This is not Russia for you
    1. -1
      16 October 2018 12: 33
      Quote: Valdemar
      It's just that the Chinese are cunning, but the sense of them in practice is zero for the human race. Their whole culture is mossy and wild. This is not Russia for you

      You are very harsh about China. China is an "all-Union smithy (though not a granary and not a health resort)" and their culture is rich (the fact that they poop anywhere and spit is garbage), and
      the nesting doll was created in the likeness of the toy of the Japanese sage Fukurum, which he brought from the Land of the Rising Sun. She looked like a freakish old man with a receding hairline with a good-natured smile. And had the shape of an egg with a pointed up laughing
      1. 0
        16 October 2018 13: 50
        I have the most direct idea of ​​the culture of China. I read Chinese literature, watched Chinese theater and so on. And the fact that in the south of China there are still cannibals .... in general, I have your opuses to the lamp
        1. 0
          17 October 2018 09: 09
          Quote: Valdemar
          in general to me your opus to the lamp

          I could not comment. I have no mediocre relationship to China, I watched the Peking Opera on TV, I read about soup made from bones of corpses,
          cannibals are still found in southern China ....
          we also have in the cultural capital of Russia. But the Chinese came up with porcelain, silk and much more
        2. 0
          17 October 2018 16: 30
          about eating Chinese babies:
          All the hype came from Chinese activist Zhu Yu, who in 2000 demonstrated at the festival of art cooking and eating a fetus stolen from a medical school. It should be noted that although restaurants with babies are “discovered” in Beijing, Hong Kong, Taiwan, the unknown province of Liaolin, and Japan, the photos in the articles are the same.
  13. +4
    16 October 2018 12: 04
    Now actually to China. We will take a look at this country's foreign policy, and we will see its extreme caution. Reaching, I will not be afraid of this word, to cowardice.

    In the external arena, Beijing behaves in such a way that it resembles a person who squeezed into a wall or merged with the landscape - just not to show himself. "I'm not here".

    In many cases, Beijing would have given much to become as neutral as Switzerland. But he is not Switzerland. A permanent member of the UN Security Council, is not a trifle.

    Beijing, with great reluctance, "climbs" into world problems and situations. But, having the status of one of the largest powers in the world, he willy-nilly forced to do so. By all means, to the last, he avoids irreversible decisions and rapprochement with one of the centers of power, so as not to quarrel with others. As in the Soviet nomenclature joke: "I'm between the streams."

    Well, not a bad strategy when “playing on hold”. But the behavior of a superpower is not similar.

    At the same time, China constantly bullies its neighbors in the region, with whom it has territorial disputes. Here he is bold and provocative. China’s territorial claims are almost to the majority of its neighbors: Russia, Japan, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, South Korea, plus the problem of Taiwan ... But trying a tooth and a bite are very different things. The last time China tried to put its muscles in the 1970-s with Vietnam. And go back home.

    In addition, squabbling with neighbors because of square kilometers is also not “super-power”. Theoretically, something can be "squeezed", but it is no longer a leader. National egoism is a good thing, but not for every purpose and not in all cases. Superpower is designed to "give a roof" to smaller countries, and not to grab with them because of crumbs.

    Leadership is actually a sacrifice. It is clear that the victim sacrifice discord. One thing is the Marshall Plan, which will return to you a hundredfold, and another is the Soviet gifts to the Third World, which irretrievably go away like a bottomless abyss. But to be a country “number one” or even “number two” is still a burden. Americans who won two wars at the same time in the zero years know this well.

    The Chinese are observing their interest so scrupulously and greedily that it prevents them from acquiring allies. The external, especially foreign economic policy of China is extremely pragmatic and absolutely situational.

    At the conclusion of any regular transaction are carefully weighed all the pros and cons, all possible costs and profits for China. If the conditions are found favorable, the contract is concluded. Congratulations, your interests coincided with the Chinese.

    But this does not mean that they will coincide next time. It is difficult to count on the possibility of a long-term, strategic partnership with Beijing.

    http://www.molodostivivat.ru/vremya-vpered/kitaj-zamechaniya-diletanta.html
    1. 0
      16 October 2018 12: 44
      Quote: Olezhek
      The last time the PRC tried to build muscle in the 1970s was with Vietnam. And she went away.
      with the help of a great Vietnamese friend of the USSR
      Already in March 1979, several military aviation regiments were transferred to the territory of the Mongolian People's Republic, bordering China. At the same time, the USSR began demonstration exercises of the navy in the Pacific Ocean. More and more new army units arrived in the Baikal region, Mongolia, and the Far East. Fortifications began to be created on the border territory. All these preparations took place swiftly. For example, the transfer of several full-fledged aviation units from the western regions of the country took only two days. Arriving regiments immediately switched to exercises, demonstrating the full power of Soviet weapons. Some units were sent to Vietnam itself, where they covered the road to Hanoi.

      Moscow also put forward a decisive ultimatum: the Chinese army should immediately cease hostilities and leave Vietnam.

      Official Beijing did not dare to pull additional units to the Sino-Soviet border, fearing that these actions would lead to an escalation of the conflict. The crisis situation in this region immediately interested the Western press. Many publications have expressed the view that this situation will ultimately lead to the Third World War. It should be noted that the sympathies of the Western world were mainly on the defending, Vietnamese side.

      As a result, China found itself in a very precarious position. The lightning war turned into a protracted war, partisan detachments constantly attacked the army, and from the west, the Soviet Union threatened the opening of a second front. Under these conditions, official Beijing began to urge the warring party to negotiate. However, Vietnam ignored all attempts to conclude a truce; moreover, a general mobilization was announced in the country.


      one small but proud bird said: "Personally, I will fly right in the sun."
      the bird, although proud, is very small (Vietnam).
  14. +3
    16 October 2018 13: 55
    Good afternoon. I can't resist, because the topic is "sore"
    1. The secret of the PRC's economic breakthrough fits into the "non-production" model of neo-capitalism. The "production" leap is associated with the construction of a "world" workshop, supported by the West as a counterweight to the USSR in the 80s. In the wake of the resistance, the PRC received investments, a bit of technology and the prospects for SALES, which is the main component of the production economy. The leap in "numerical" values ​​began after the transition (inevitable, albeit long held by the outsiders) to a "non-production" economy, so to speak. As a result, we got what we got (not we, but the West), and the confrontation with the USSR did not happen with mutual destruction.
    2. The most effective protocol of "rapid growth" within the framework of neo-capitalism is in the conditions of a rigid, unfree, regulated, unified market inside the country, deployed outward. This happened in the PRC. The need to withdraw "overheated" money in the conditions of the PRC (the vastness of the market, limited enrichment) is the purchase of world government obligations, since the state in the PRC is the main financial controller. In general, of course, the presence of billionaires living in the PRC on the Forbes lists is interesting. Well, okay to them. Using this model, the leadership of the PRC regulated the economy, however, "snout" a hole for itself, becoming dependent on "free" money from the masters of the world. The result is obvious so to speak. However, because of the above (the model of strict regulation and state unification of the economy), the effect of the destruction of Chinese economic power will not be achieved, although the "destruction" of part of the funds is possible. But the pragmatic Central Committee of the CPC understands very well that in practice these trillions simply do not exist, and therefore they lie in the American economy as the main consumer. It is like an economic "nuclear" bomb with the effect of mutual destruction.
    3. Colonial policy towards China from everyone in the district gave rise to revanchism as an integral part of Chinese foreign and domestic policy. Especially in relation to the very West and Japan. Here are the roots of encouraging external migration and at the level of a low-skilled population, pure Marxism, where quantity will turn into quality. Here Russia can be said to be "lucky." Because of the Japanese, we were unable to chop off Manchuria, and then we single-mindedly supported the CCP. So we do not belong to the colonialists. Perhaps the revisionists who have stumbled, but clearly do not pretend to "exploit" the poor Chinese. In addition, the Chinese have a good historical memory, and against the background of past victories and current successes, we are a country for them that is capable of not only creating problems, but protecting itself against the elimination of the aggressor. Therefore, we are treated appropriately. Forced migration to us is absent as a factor, being the business of local border authorities. Among other things, the costs of infrastructure in the natural conditions of the Far East, which we bear out of necessity, nullify the cost of achievements (minerals, territories) and translate them into minus with the costs of mastering (taking into account the absence of a "quick military option").
    Conclusions.
    !. PRC Super Power? Not yet, but if God forbid, he will let go of the reins of state regulation of the economy, not at all.
    2. Enemy of the USA? Yes, and not of his own free will. Such a quick degeneration from a competitor to an enemy is not in the main idea of ​​the PRC policy, however, there will be no compromise based on the attitude to the West.
    3. And what threatens us? But it’s nothing if you use your interests correctly, continue to strengthen cooperation, suspend the PRC on the raw material hook, don’t share technologies and don’t go into the open for the Chinese, because this is what can put the standoff in a bitter phase from the fright of the Americans. But militarily, we guarantee protection against aggression, since for the PRC we are now the Guarantor with a capital letter.
  15. lot
    0
    16 October 2018 14: 31
    Russia has only 2 allies (s)
  16. +2
    16 October 2018 14: 54
    The West does not look at China primarily as a rival, but as prey. Western Europe has always been a pack of predators. To live a predator - you need to eat someone. China is a large herbivore. Like a buffalo. He can trample or kill defending himself. But for a predator, killing is a way to survive. The last 3-4 centuries, Europe and its processes robbed almost the whole world. And due to this, I seriously increased my well-being. Now the problems have begun again, which means it's time to eat someone big enough to solve their problems. And the sacrifice is obvious - China. And without our help, and most importantly protection, he will have to be taut. History shows that China has always been much more crowded than everyone else, and its army has always been large. But this did not prevent everyone from robbing and seizing him in a row. It would be different, and the great wall would not be built by China, but by its neighbors. request
    1. +1
      17 October 2018 07: 12
      History shows that China has always been much more crowded than everyone around. And it always had a large army. But this did not prevent everyone from robbing and capturing him. It would be different and the great wall would be built not by China, but by its neighbors.


      Something like this ...
  17. 0
    16 October 2018 15: 11
    Quote: ROSS 42
    It is necessary to change the direction in building socialism after the death of Stalin in such a way that the Chinese leader spoke out:
    Mao Zedong, New China, Beijing. 1964, No. 12: “After 1953, nationalists and careerists, bribes covered from the Kremlin, came to power in the USSR. When the time comes, they will drop their masks, throw away party cards and will openly rule their counties as feudal lords and serfs. ”


    Dear Ross,
    Unfortunately I want to upset you. Mao never said this phrase.
    The myth of the insight of Mao is widespread on the net, but not one source confirms these words.
    If you have the opportunity to refute my words (for example, scan: New China, Beijing. 1964, No. 12), I will be very glad.
    1. 0
      16 October 2018 16: 44
      The great weightlifter Yuri Vlasov once wrote a book ... "Special Region of China", I think. I read the book at the very beginning of the 1970s. In general, according to the recollections of his father, his father's friends and other military experts of the 1930s - 1950s. A few years passed, but something unpleasant stuck in my memory. And I also remember the ugly hungweipings shitting at our station square ... But the Damansky USSR gave them, despite the victims of our border guards ... In general, we hand over and will hand over piece by piece to China and America and the devil bald to the last Russian of all ! Where and in what country does Russia stand up for the Russians?
      "Damn them all!" - this is the mood in the Kremlin and the Duma.
      1. 0
        19 October 2018 13: 33
        Some of the Chinese did not like Yuri Vlasov? Or he crap on the station platform. And more than once?
        And now sometimes you take off your pants at the station in the middle of the passengers? Ah ah ah! Mr. critic! Nowadays there are toilets!
        But!
  18. 0
    16 October 2018 16: 37
    There are several Chinas. A poor rural majority.
    The middle class, in fact, is uncultured.
    Communist layer, incomprehensible and unpredictable.
    Billionaire oligarchs, fully orientated to the West, living there, having children there who study Western values.
    The army ... a closed system that threatens the world.
  19. +2
    17 October 2018 13: 53
    Chinese factory refused to repair Russian ship due to sanctions
    17 October 2018,
    The ship repair yard in Shanghai refused to fulfill its obligations under the contract for the repair of the Russian ship Neptune of the Hudson Company; The Chinese side explained the refusal to be in the sanctions list of the US Treasury on the DPRK, said the director of the Russian organization Gennady Kononenko.

    Kononenko reported ship repair factory in shanghai "Refuses to complete the repair and requires payment under the contract, and all because of the sanctions". Repair of "Neptune" "is no longer underway, the plant wants to put the ship at sea," reports TASS.

    He added that the company turned to the Russian embassy in China for help.


    Notice, nobody mentions the government of Great China at all - for Chinese ship repairmen
    US Treasury Chief Xi Jinping ...

    Tell me a story about Great China ...
    In general, is Shanghai a Chinese city or an American?
    1. +1
      17 October 2018 14: 16


      something like this....

      Toko you Ketai I will remember ...

  20. -2
    17 October 2018 14: 13
    it’s amusing ... but too pathetic ..., on the one hand, the Chinese laughed at changing opium to a dollar, on the other hand, the author’s hopes for sanity of the Russian authorities for independent decision-making are greatly exaggerated ... such a vision does exist, but no more of that ... but the fact that the Chinese are vulnerable and controlled is a fact ....
  21. +2
    17 October 2018 16: 16
    Japan of the 80s, which was spoken of as "an economic giant and a political dwarf." Then she "covered herself with a copper basin" of the recession for 25 years.
    We will fly to the bottom, on which Japan has failed, at least in the next 20 years. The author also writes that in China RFPs have risen, this is the end of China, the author is not the end - this is inevitable, and it was and will be in other rapidly developing countries
    1. 0
      17 October 2018 20: 51
      Yes Yes. Fertility 1.3 births per woman, lack of economic growth, territory and huge bills for everything that cannot be paid by working 56 hours a week. Thank you, but we don't need such "Japanese happiness" for nothing. Japan is a country that has 100 years left, then again samurai and peasants in straw hats.
  22. 0
    18 October 2018 11: 10
    I wonder which one of you was in China? I happen once or twice a year for 4 years and I’ll say it’s fantastic. Construction, production, we have not dreamed of this. When you see how much these people have built over the past 5 years and compare with us, even with Moscow, you feel the difference. Write not about what you type understand, but about what you yourself saw.
    1. +4
      18 October 2018 18: 00
      I am once or twice a year for 4 years and I will say this is fantastic. Construction, production, we have not dreamed of. When you see


      Wonderful, wonderful ... here appeared authentic Chinese specialists.
      Respect and uvazhuha
      And now please explain why China has such a frankly cowardly foreign policy?
      But why?
      Why is it possible to understand the greatness of Great China only inside it?
      Great power (as a rule) casts a shadow on the entire planet.
      Take for example ... but at least the same USA!
      Many of the Chinese were there?
      Very few!
      Doubt someone from the Chinese in the imperial greatness and domination of the United States?
      Of course not!
      feel the difference....



      I wonder who of you was in China?


      Have you been to Alapaevsk?
      1. 0
        19 October 2018 08: 40
        I did not want to offend Alapaevsk.
      2. 0
        19 October 2018 13: 38
        He knew flaw detectors from there. Great guys!
  23. 0
    18 October 2018 16: 16
    Quote: pafegosoff
    The great weightlifter Yuri Vlasov once wrote a book ... "Special Region of China", I think. I read the book at the very beginning of the 1970s. ......

    The book was written by P.P. Vladimirov. I have read it many times. Quite good sketches of the internal political and personal relations of the CCP elite at that time. The author was a political adviser there, and he developed a rather hostile opinion of Mao, which is reflected in the book. Therefore, it was published in the USSR only in the 70s at the height of propaganda against "Chinese hegemonism."
    There is still a good book - “The Northern Campaign of the National Revolutionary Army of China” by A. I. Cherepanov, who was a military adviser there for a long time, including Chiang Kai-shek (before the anti-communist coup).
    1. 0
      19 October 2018 13: 45
      Vladimirov - a pseudonym for Yuri Vlasov In honor of his father: Father - Peter Parfyonovich Vlasov (Vladimirov) (1905-1953) - intelligence officer, journalist and diplomat, specialist in China ..