To replace the legend: The new microwave rifle has undeniable advantages over the SVD

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Very soon in Russia, the production of a new microwave sniper rifle will begin, which will replace the legendary SVD, which faithfully served in the armed forces for more than 55 years. The new Chukavin sniper rifle, developed in Izhevsk by Kalashnikov engineers, will be put into production in 2020. About this in an interview with IA "Udmurtia" said the general director of the enterprise Dmitry Tarasov. A rifle under the cartridge 7,62x54 mm will go into production. At the same time, at the end of the 2017, Kalashnikov presented a long-range microwave model under the cartridge .338 LAPUA MAGNUM (8,6x70 mm), which at least provides an interesting future for the Izhevsk gunsmiths new product.

Replacing the SVD rifle


Dragunov sniper rifle under the main Russian cartridge 7,62x54 mm, which is rightfully considered one of the oldest rifle cartridges of our time, was officially adopted in the year 1963, that is, 56 years ago. The 7,62x54 mm R cartridge itself was adopted by the imperial army, it was specially developed for the new Mosin rifle of the 1891 model of the year, the famous three-ruler. The only overseas rifle cartridge used in the world remains the overseas counterpart - 7,62x51 mm, adopted for service in the 1954 year. Both cartridges feel great in the 21st century as well, since over the decades, this caliber has created the widest range of ammunition for every taste.



And if the rifle cartridge 7,62x54 mm R does not raise questions today, then there are already questions to the SVD. This rifle does not fully meet the modern requirements of military operations, its replacement is long overdue and, apparently, there is very little to wait for this. The launch of the new Chukavin sniper rifle, which falls into the same niche and is a direct replacement for the SVD, is promised in Izhevsk already in the 2020 year. In fairness, it is worth noting that the new rifle has not yet been adopted. According to the channel "Star", the adoption of the microwave in the arsenal of the Russian army will happen in the next two years.


SVDM and microwave rifles. Screenshot: Kalashnikov Media

For the first time, a new microwave rifle, designed to hit targets at short and medium distances, was shown to the general public in 2017 as part of the Army international military-technical forum. The demonstration of the news from Izhevsk immediately aroused increased interest, largely due to differences from traditional SVD, which still flash in the reports from all the hot spots on our planet. Externally, the microwave is completely different weaponin which high-strength ergonomic plastic parts replaced wood. The microwave is a little shorter than the SVD, the maximum length of the rifle is 1080 mm, while the rifle immediately received a butt that is adjustable in length. The length of the standard SVD rifle is 1225 mm (the butt does not fold), the SVD-S version with a folding butt is 1135 mm, the length of the SVDM model is 1155 mm. At the same time, the new weapon is lighter, the declared weight of the microwave oven with the magazine without cartridges is 4,5 kg, the weight of the SVDM is 5,3 kg, the SVDS is 4,7 kg. If we talk about the barrel length of these rifles, then they are almost equal. With the SVDM model, the barrel length is 565 mm, with the new microwave rifle, according to the latest rollers published on the site kalashnikov.media, 560 mm. Previously, many feared that the length of the barrel 410 mm would adversely affect the accuracy of firing weapons chambered for 7,62x54 mm, but it seems possible to exhale, since the barrel of the specified length will receive a civilian version of the microwave.

The new Kalashnikov concern model is more compact and lighter than the entire SVD line, which is very important in modern combat conditions. Like the SVD, the Chukavin rifle is primarily a weapon of well-aimed shooters, which in foreign armies are called Marxmen or infantry snipers. At its core, this is a real sniper rifle squad, which significantly increases the firing capabilities of the unit in battle. The task of such well-aimed shooters is to cover up their comrades and hit those targets that are difficult to get from the machine gun. The threshold for the effectiveness of such rifles is 600-800 meters. Due to the fact that such rifles are self-loading, the shooter always has a chance to send another bullet at the target, correcting his shooting. Since ordinary infantrymen are arming themselves with a rifle, they have to participate in assault operations in urban areas, where compactness and lower weight of the weapon play a large role, here the microwave also beats the SVD. It will be easier to use new weapons in a limited space of rooms inside various buildings, which, undoubtedly, is also a plus of the new model.

To replace the legend: The new microwave rifle has undeniable advantages over the SVD

Microwave rifles under different cartridges. Top to bottom: 7,62x51 NATO, 7,62x54R, 8,6x70 (.338)

The only real problem of adopting a microwave rifle and the beginning of mass production may be the high cost of the model in the presence of a large number of SVD, SVD-S and new SVDM. In conditions when army depots are littered with SVD, which have been riveted so much over the years of the USSR that rifles can be used as paddles for laying on rubber landing boats, it is quite difficult to get the military to buy new models of small arms. This is especially noticeable on the example of the AK-12, which from a fundamentally new model has turned during the course of work into a deep upgrade of the existing AK-74M. For the sake of cheaper weapons and ease of development of the machine by conscripts, the designers abandoned a number of important progressive solutions that were laid down in the model first introduced in 2012. The microwave in this regard wins by the fact that such army rifles are needed much less, and snipers, even if they are conscripts, always undergo special training.

Features sniper rifle Chukavin


A feature of the new Chukavin sniper rifle is that this weapon was fully designed using digital technology. Created by the designers, the “electronic layout” of the product fully corresponds to the physical components of the rifle. All weapons are developed in a single digital environment. The 3D model of the future weapon, the static appearance of the rifle, and the kinematics of its main moving elements are also tested here.

At the moment, at least three versions of the microwave design are known, which have already been demonstrated by the Kalashnikov concern. These are models for the Russian cartridge 7,62x54 mm, for the NATO cartridge - 7,62x51 mm and the most interesting option is the long-range microwave under the cartridge .338 LAPUA MAGNUM (8,6x70 mm). In the near future, a version under the cartridge 7,62x54 mm R, which is also sometimes called the microwave-54, will go into production. 10-charging stores from the SVD rifle will be compatible with this model.


Microwave rifle under the cartridge .338 LAPUA MAGNUM

Structurally, the rifle is built according to a curtain scheme with linear recoil when the butt is at the level of the barrel of the weapon. If we talk about the internal structure of the microwave, the layout itself has not changed much since the days of the SVD. As noted in an interview with RIA News the chief editor of the Kalashnikov magazine, Mikhail Degtyarev, borrowing Dragunov’s scheme should be considered a merit of the new sniper rifle. According to him, the microwave is a full-fledged successor of the SVD, since the heart of the new model - the locking unit - was taken from the "older sister". Also, according to Mikhail Degtyarev, the concepts of the gas engine and the bolt group differ only in details. This is also a plus of the new model, since this node in SVD could be safely called close to a brilliant solution. At the same time, the stated accuracy of microwave shooting increased. The declared spread for 100 meters is 3 cm, for SVD - from 8 to 10 cm.


The new sniper rifle is characterized by the presence of a telescopic stock, which allows you to easily adjust the length of the product and adjust the rifle to the anthropometric features of the shooter. Judging by the videos already submitted, the butt can be folded. On the samples already presented by the concern, you can see that the fuse is located both on the right and on the left side, which also facilitates the handling of weapons. In general, quite a lot of attention was paid to microwave ergonomics. The rifle was originally designed with a generalization of the experience of shooting athletes. It is known that development assistance was provided by Andrei Kirisenko, who is an honored master of sports and world champion in practical shooting. An important feature of the rifle is the fact that along the entire receiver there is a Picatinny rail on top, which makes it easy to mount any modern sights on the weapon: daylight, night, thermal imaging.

Microwave for civilians. MR-1


Russian lovers of firearms can rejoice, as the Kalashnikov concern has already presented a civilian version of the new model of a sniper rifle. Self-loading hunting rifle MR-1, created on the basis of the microwave rifle, on the way. The civilian version differs from the military version with a shorter barrel - 410 mm, respectively, with a shorter overall length - 859-919 mm (the butt is adjustable in length, the manufacturer promises models with both fixed and side-folding butt) and weight - 4,3 kg.


With MR-1, 10 cartridges stores will be used, compatible with SVD models and the Tiger hunting carbine. The cost of the MR-1 rifle has not yet been officially announced, but it is written on weapon forums that it will range from 100 to 200 thousand rubles.
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  1. +24
    6 December 2019 05: 51
    "According to him, the microwave is a full-fledged successor of the SVD, since the heart of the new model - the locking unit - was taken from the "older sister"."

    You can no longer read further. Another clone of SVD with slightly improved features. No.
    Or, as it is written in the article about the AK-12 - "a deep upgrade of the existing AK-74M" ... lol
    1. +5
      6 December 2019 06: 04
      Quote: Brigadier
      full successor to SVD

      I also had the same feeling!
      1. +18
        6 December 2019 06: 12
        And you friends do not sit down - All in musicians are not suitable! (C) I. Krylov.
        The cartridge needs another!
        1. -24
          6 December 2019 06: 24
          So already there are 308, 300 wagons and 338? Just a sniper rifle should be Boltovik wink Won the Turks made a Minute bolt at an adequate price good I am looking forward to their multi-caliber bolt good
          1. +20
            6 December 2019 06: 41
            Quote: RaptorF22А2
            So already there are 308, 300 wagons and 338? Just a sniper rifle should be Boltovik wink Won the Turks made a Minute bolt at an adequate price good I am looking forward to their multi-caliber bolt good

            Do you feel the difference between the production of rifles under the cartridge ... and the release of cartridges? Or why - we are occupying Finland, the Lapua factories are just there! request
            And with what fright did you decide that it should be Boltovik ??? No.
            1. -45
              6 December 2019 06: 47
              Do you feel the difference between the Civilian weapons market in Russia and the Next Cut from Kaki? lol And why do you need Finland? lol Precision always Boltovik bully And this rubbish from the concern Krivoruchko to Firebox tongue wink Only Sofa Rambos can buy it. laughing
              1. +20
                6 December 2019 07: 39
                You are wrong. Self-loading rifle is very necessary on the battlefield. If desired, a self-loading rifle can be a minute. SVD is also a very accurate weapon. It is unlikely that they will replace 7.62x54.
              2. +24
                6 December 2019 08: 49
                Quote: RaptorF22А2
                Only Sofa Rambos can buy it.

                Like you? wassat SVD has served faithfully for more than a dozen years and in its class, it is the best. Well, something has improved, something has been facilitated ... from this, she has become worse, expert sofa?
                Aren't you tired of fanning up your incompetence?
                1. +1
                  6 December 2019 10: 21
                  SVD + RPK + AKM with GP = full combat unit, and if you add RPG and PC calculations, then invincible
                  1. -3
                    6 December 2019 15: 44
                    Quote: sala7111972
                    SVD + RPK + AKM with GP = full combat unit, and if you add RPG and PC calculations, then invincible

                    It all needs to be modernized, at a minimum. But AKM is generally so long out of date.
                  2. 0
                    6 December 2019 23: 35
                    this is called the separation of soldiers .. only they refused from the rpk .. now steers PKM and PKP
                2. +1
                  12 December 2019 19: 59
                  Do not pay attention to him, Andrei. He had no serious business with SVD, therefore such judgments. He’s probably just doing babaching. But he does not know about real work and possibilities. Regards to you.
            2. +22
              6 December 2019 08: 21
              the usual confusion between the sniper and the Marxman, you need to dive into the topic at least a little
              1. +7
                6 December 2019 11: 00
                Not everyone can understand this. What to explain to people if they don’t know the difference between a good shooter in a military unit and a sniper from special units and law enforcement agencies.
                1. +2
                  6 December 2019 17: 55
                  Quote: tatarin1972
                  What to explain to people if they don’t know the difference between a good shooter in a military unit and a sniper from special units and law enforcement agencies.

                  there is a fighter with a sniper, there is a good shooter with a sniper, and there is also a sniper (- // -, Marxman and sniper) ...
                  1. +1
                    6 December 2019 18: 25
                    Quote: PSih2097
                    Quote: tatarin1972
                    What to explain to people if they don’t know the difference between a good shooter in a military unit and a sniper from special units and law enforcement agencies.

                    there is a fighter with a sniper, there is a good shooter with a sniper, and there is also a sniper (- // -, Marxman and sniper) ...

                    There is a man with a gun, and a fighter is a fighter.
          2. +25
            6 December 2019 07: 26
            This is not a full-fledged sniper rifle, but the weapon of a well-aimed shooter in the unit. We have rifles for snipers.
            1. +2
              6 December 2019 15: 55
              Quote: Sahalinets
              .... weapons of the marksman in the unit,


              hi US Marxists with M38 at the turn.
              1. +2
                6 December 2019 22: 47
                Quote: san4es
                US Marxists with M38 at the turn.

                Thanks to Sanchez as always! That's just on the receiver of this rifle it says M27 5.56x45, which in turn is HK416 in girlhood. :)
                1. +1
                  7 December 2019 11: 17
                  hi Welcome.
                  ... written by M27 5.56x45

                  ...Yes I saw. My jamb feel - on the "machine" copied from the title of the video.
                  1. +1
                    7 December 2019 19: 07
                    Quote: san4es
                    ...Yes I saw. My jamb

                    It looks like it's my turn to apologize. feel I looked through the comments in the local language about the M38 and with some amazement noticed that it looks like the M38 just means M27, but in a Marxian dodger. Well i.e. optics, legs and other things ..

                    Which, however, leads to reflection in general about the adequacy of comparing the Marxman rifles of the United States and the Russian Federation. Whatever one may say, 5.56 and 7.62 are a different class and the same SVD is something like a half-sniper, while the M38 is a slightly improved infantryman, most often shooting single.

                    In general, it is not clear :(
                    1. +1
                      7 December 2019 20: 46
                      Like on a swing. smile
                      M38 is a slightly improved infantryman, often shooting single.

                      Well, they have $$ for optics / body kit do-it-yourself, that's it.
                      ... Meanwhile, the British Marxists ... recourse :

                      ... sergeant hike rap reads (to himself)laughing
                      1. +1
                        7 December 2019 21: 04
                        Quote: san4es
                        ... sergeant hike rap reads (to himself)

                        Right! A dude with a shotgun is a beast! laughing
                      2. +2
                        8 December 2019 11: 00
                        hi As the saying goes: "Feel the Difference" laughing
            2. +1
              6 December 2019 18: 09
              [quote = Sahalinets] This is not a full-fledged sniper rifle, but a well-aimed gunner’s weapon as part of the unit. [/ Quote]
              the sniper himself selects a weapon for a specific task, if you need a bolt - he takes a bolt, you need a machine gun - self-loading ...
              [quote = san4es] [quote = Sahalinets] hi US Marxists with M38 at the turn. [/ Quote]
              he probably means pure snipers.
          3. +10
            6 December 2019 09: 49
            Quote: RaptorF22А2
            Turks made Minute Boltovka at an adequate price

            Yes, the Turks are notable gunsmiths ... We still make fun of a comrade on the hunt, who fell for the price, external beauty and "quality of fit" and bought a smoothbore five-charge "Altay" (as it seems to be spelled), it was 150-200 shots with a gun , after it turned into a shattered, loose mass, with constant delays ...
          4. +9
            6 December 2019 12: 07
            Even the new Moose from KK in 308 is minute.
            But for this, a bolt is completely optional.
            You probably want to say that you need a rifle for long distances. There are those in the army, just bolted ones.
            At 300-400m, both our standard cartridge and 308 win are quite sufficient.
            And there are many fools to carry around for shooting "far away". There both the weight and the scope should be huge.
            And in certain situations, the heavy machine gun is more interesting.
          5. +8
            6 December 2019 15: 41
            Quote: RaptorF22А2
            Just a sniper rifle should be Boltovik

            So the article is not about sniper, but about DMR. Because the SVD is originally a DMR, a rifle arrow motorized rifle squad. And as a DMR, SVD and its clones are on par.

            Forever we confuse a sniper with a shooter and a sniper rifle with a DMR. smile
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          7. 0
            6 December 2019 23: 34
            there is a difference, for the shooter in the compartment you need self-loading, which will hit the target reliably for 600-800 meters, now the parameter has been raised to 1 km .. and the bolt is needed for respectable uncles, there is a caliber of 8,6, He’s actively sawing now
          8. -1
            7 December 2019 00: 46
            Sorry Raptor, but are you making the difference between sniper for long-range shooting and sniper in the infantry squad? Look, say the Turks made a bolt, but what did the Turkish army TAKE TO THE WEAPONS OF SVD? And then they knew under the 7,62x54 cartridge? Of course, now you’ll do some sort of self-loading precisely for the actions in the squad, but they nevertheless accepted the SVD (I saw it from the exercises of the Turks myself) and this is despite the fact that they have the G-3 in service with a cartridge of 7,62 x51.
        2. +7
          6 December 2019 08: 46
          Quote: ANIMAL
          The cartridge needs another!

          Gunpowder needs another. We have a problem with gunpowder.
          1. +3
            6 December 2019 12: 18
            For the army will do. Especially if you use steel sleeves.
            But generally with gunpowder laughter. For the civilian market, gunpowder is "brewed" from batch to batch with different characteristics. So anyone in the subject knows that when reading the manual, you need to pour in exactly the batch that is indicated in the instructions, this is not fir for you.
            And who has the funding - and so purchased over the hill.
          2. -1
            6 December 2019 20: 52
            What problem do we have with gunpowder, do not tell me? Not so long ago, a group of developers of the prize was awarded for the development of technology for the production of gunpowder from flax, hemp and something else.
            1. +2
              9 December 2019 07: 58
              So the problems are known - low energy consumption and variation in parameters depending on the party
        3. 0
          6 December 2019 08: 53
          Our overseas partners took the path of cartridge unification, settled on caliber 6.5 for automatic rifles for infantry, self-loading rifles of increased accuracy (this is SVD, UHF) and light machine guns.
          1. +6
            6 December 2019 09: 06
            Quote: Spambox
            Our overseas partners have gone

            But so far have not come anywhere. Everything is under test.
          2. 0
            6 December 2019 23: 46
            they still think about it .. they have another contest ..
        4. +1
          6 December 2019 21: 12
          The cartridge needs another!

          Very interesting, but in the article they write
          And if the rifle cartridge 7,62x54 mm R does not cause problems today

          The author doesn’t have any questions about the author ... and he doesn’t care about the rim either.
      2. Fat
        +1
        7 December 2019 00: 57
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Brigadier
        full successor to SVD

        I also had the same feeling!

        I had a feeling that the management of the concern finally reached the fund of course projects for BMI students, there was a lot of fun there, based on AK and SVD ...
        In general, I perceive the Kalashnikov concern with a noticeable degree of disgust. Raider seizure of IMZ, a historically KAZENNY plant by a group of private companies at a time when the plant showed the prospect of development, pulling up the Vyatskopolyan "Hammer" I deeply respect the slandered VA Gorodetsky, who managed to preserve the traditions of the gunsmiths of Izhevsk.
        I'm going to clap for "green caftans" Friday night Saturday.
        1. 0
          7 December 2019 17: 06
          Quote: Thick
          BMI students

          IIT? THEM? ISTU?
          1. Fat
            0
            8 December 2019 02: 08
            Quote: bunta
            Quote: Thick
            BMI students

            IIT? THEM? ISTU?

            IIT named after Dragunov
    2. -25
      6 December 2019 06: 15
      What else can you expect from the concern? The name of their director is very talking lol
      1. -2
        7 December 2019 00: 36
        And what does the name Tarasov say?
      2. 0
        9 December 2019 08: 09
        The surname of the oligarch Krivoruchko and he is now an adviser to the Minister of Defense. He, like his friend Belinsky, are co-owners of the railway Transmashholding, which unites the country's diesel locomotive repair plants.
    3. -25
      6 December 2019 06: 16
      Now, if you copied the Turkish ALR it would be interesting wink
      1. +20
        6 December 2019 07: 40
        Copy from the Turks! Monsieur knows a lot about perversions.
        1. +7
          6 December 2019 08: 21
          doesn't even know .. request
        2. 0
          7 December 2019 02: 26
          He is a prodigy however. You're right.
    4. +2
      6 December 2019 06: 42
      The declared spread per 100 meters is 3 cm, for SVD - from 8 to 10 cm.


      As I understood from the article, it was solely due to the installation of the piccatini bar!

      It is known that the development assistance was provided by Andrei Kirisenko, who is an honored master of sports and world champion in practical shooting


      Well, with high-speed shooting at 300 meters in the gong, everything is in order.
      1. +1
        6 December 2019 23: 50
        and for SVDM?)
    5. +5
      6 December 2019 07: 46
      I read it - I read it and never found what the fundamental difference with SVD is.
      1. +12
        6 December 2019 08: 19
        The difference is in the construction of the rifle itself. The design does not affect the bending of the barrel, the barrel itself is heavier than a rifle even onboard, they also have such differences from the old ones. The trunk is hung out so that the bed does not affect it, but before the bed was fixed to the trunk .... something like that.
    6. +8
      6 December 2019 08: 09
      It seems like that. Both there and there - with gas automatic control, with a short stroke not connected rigidly to the bolt frame of the gas piston. ,,, the barrel is locked by turning the bolt, which has 3 combat stops. A manual gas regulator has been added to the microwave. Those. it turns out just an updated appearance, the use of new materials.
      1. +1
        6 December 2019 09: 05
        I just didn’t understand how the preservation of the construction helps the training of the recruits. what
        1. +4
          6 December 2019 12: 16
          I don’t know this. Not a question for me.
          But if you look at the global scale, we will see that the same Americans have the same trends. We took the old M14, which leaves with its roots in the Guarantor M1, and based on it made the sniper M21, which was further modernized and modernized in the M2010 ESR. In appearance, the blaster from Star Wars can not be said that this is still the same M14.
          The reasons can list the wagon and small trolley.
          1. 0
            6 December 2019 18: 16
            Quote: YOUR
            We took the old M14, which leaves with its roots in the Guarantor M1, and based on it made the sniper M21, which was further modernized and modernized in the M2010 ESR. In appearance, the blaster from Star Wars can not be said that this is still the same M14.

            we also remodel SVT / ABC and SCS and in appearance the alterations look the same as the American colleagues, though private traders do it.
            1. 0
              9 December 2019 08: 14
              We have remade for private traders and Americans M 21 for the army. About this and the article was in the journal Foreign Military Review.
        2. +8
          6 December 2019 12: 16
          If the conscript is not from the outback in Chukotka, then I am sure that young children with small arms should not have problems. All sure the computer was playing.
          Perhaps in '47 and it was relevant about maximum simplicity. Once upon a time it was believed that it was more difficult to trust them with a mosin rifle than anything else. Progress is coming.
          So perfectly conscripts will clean any machine.
          Moreover, even imported ones - everything is simple and intuitive.
          About small details - no comment here, they do not completely disassemble the grass.
          And you can simply clean the machine without disassembling it at all (or almost without it).
          So this is more of an excuse for the poor.
          By the way, I was always wondering why to disassemble the AK for a while? What is the essence of the assignment? Gain motor skills?
          She already appears clean it a hundred times. And often there is no need to disassemble it, especially for a while. All the same, there everything is not repairable by a conscript in the field. The maximum that he can do in the field is to remove the frame and pull out the sleeve from there, although this is exotic.
          And if he catches a wedge, there will not be disassembly there, but a lever with the use of force on the bolt. Either with your foot on the shutter, or with your butt on the ground and with your hand.

          All this is exclusively saving money, no more. And the excuse is as old as the world - stupid conscripts.
          1. 0
            6 December 2019 12: 56
            All sure the computer was playing.

            Is that what you joked about?
            And you can simply clean the machine without disassembling it at all (or almost without it).
            But they could not clarify. Well, for example, the M-16.
          2. +1
            6 December 2019 13: 34
            surely this disassembly for a while is connected with the requirement to quickly eliminate the delay when it is necessary to make an incomplete disassembly, and over time it perverted, turned into a show
            1. +1
              6 December 2019 14: 00
              Then it would be more logical to do this not on the table and simulate a problem. And so it’s like hand-to-hand combat techniques worked out by a group .....
              1. +1
                6 December 2019 15: 44
                By the way, they showed quite well what delays are and how to fix them quickly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpnAFvghzTI
        3. 0
          6 December 2019 21: 22
          I just didn’t understand how the preservation of the construction helps the training of the recruits. what

          Well, how. They will restore the school on DPY at the school and pass there the SVD released upon receipt of the microwave:
      2. 0
        9 December 2019 08: 01
        It turns out a fundamentally different design, more suited firstly for accurate shooting, and secondly for the use of modern sights with nozzles
    7. +6
      6 December 2019 15: 53
      Not quite a clone, a completely different architecture, fundamentally different from SVD.
      The rifle was built using parts from the SVD, but there are not so many of them, the most successful components - the trigger and the store, are taken, which is quite correct.
      So it’s incorrect to name the microwave clone, and if we take seriously the improved performance when shooting, then we are not talking about a deep upgrade, like with the AK-12 (13), but still about a new rifle that retained the positive properties of the SVD and got rid from some of its rather serious flaws.
      I would like to wish this rifle success, it is a real candidate to replace the SVD.
      In contrast to the piece and expensive products of Lobaev and other masters of weapons art, who, by the way, create imported ammunition, which is unacceptable for army weapons.
      I do not dispute their record performance, but it’s rather the Stradivarius violins, and the army needs a good workhorse such as SVD and UHF under a standard army cartridge, even if it’s as archaic as 7,62x54P
      1. +5
        6 December 2019 18: 25
        Quote: Romanenko
        completely different architecture fundamentally different from SVD

        she works on fundamentally other principles?
        Maybe she shoots with high-temperature plasmoids, or is she feeding not with cartridges but with a cartridge with tiban gas?
        What the hell principled difference from SVD?
        the same principle of automation and the device of the locking unit, the same cartridge and magazine, the same trigger.
        The same SVD, only in plastic, picatinas, and otherwise attached to the receiver. Well, the length was reduced.
        we are talking about ... a new rifle that retained the positive properties of the SVD and got rid of some rather serious flaws

        I don’t see any “new rifle”, but I see a repetition of the situation “they wanted a new machine gun (AK-12), but they blinded the AK-74, only in plastic and picatines,” so the same here - the concern just wants a government order.
        Regarding the "rather serious shortcomings" of the SVD - what are they? the rifle in its niche is almost perfect, the only thing is that the length would be less, yes.
        There are no fatal flaws for which there would be no solution - there was an excellent modernization program, with "dressing" in plastic, "hanging" in the receiver, and opicating (as well as for the AK-74).
        But KK wants money, so we see the same SVD and the same AK-74 - but "in profile", supposedly a new weapon.
        1. 0
          9 December 2019 08: 06
          It is designed correctly, where the carrier is the top receiver.
          As a result, it shoots more accurately, it is more convenient to use and works with ANY modern optics. Mechanical folding sighting type MBUS are easy to install and come as standard equipment - in photo number 2 we see them
      2. +4
        7 December 2019 02: 33
        One hundred percent you're right. Personally, what bothered me was not. A mechanical sight as on SVD. If the sniper is to run as part of a department (division), then the device must synchronously be there where it is supposed to be like that of the SVD. That all optical sights are always shot? They are never touched by dust or snow or water with mud sand? Well, always straight always? Yes, no matter how. In addition, the sight stands on a standard NATO mount picatini. He took off his set and hit point went off with guarantee ... A mechanical sight is needed and vital on this type of rifle.
        1. 0
          9 December 2019 08: 07
          When removing and installing on a picatini, as a rule, nothing goes away, but there is a mechanical sight. In photo 2 it is visible - standard folding MBUS
        2. 0
          10 December 2019 09: 06
          As for the removable hinged scope, I’ll correct you. I already have experience using such an aiming device, and not from expensive ones, I honestly admit I bought it on Aliexpress.
          Well, if you don’t use completely budget options from plastic, then nothing will go anywhere even after dismantling and reinstalling, of course, provided that all other parts of the weapon are not dismantled.
          He himself repeatedly checked on cold laser sighting and shooting.
          As for the pillar, there really is a moment of some fear that it might become clogged with dirt or snow, and even fill with water (meaning the minimum hole), and this is most likely true for the machine, given the conditions for its use.
          As for the sights on the sniper rifle - the probability of clogging there is much lower, and the use of this sight is more from the category of auxiliary than the main one.
      3. 0
        9 December 2019 08: 17
        From the SVD for the microwave rifle, as far as I know, they took a bolt frame with a shutter and a locking unit.
    8. 0
      6 December 2019 19: 11
      The accuracy of fire has been doubled and more compact. Even if it is a clone, the clone is very good. We wish you success in testing.
      1. +1
        6 December 2019 21: 12
        Quote: Herman 4223
        Two-fold increase in accuracy of fire

        below in the branch there is my comment with examples of accuracy. Believe me, there is no question of any 2,5-fold improvement.
        1. +4
          6 December 2019 23: 51
          Oh, the minusers came running wassat She dared to offend the tactical microwave, she doesn’t have any analogues, stopuds!
          1. -1
            7 December 2019 03: 37
            Quote: psiho117
            Oh, the minusers hit the Tactile Microwave

            Comrade! I am a plus signer with understanding))) I have been talking for a long time. what kind of microwave is a cut! It does not show anything fundamentally different from the performance characteristics of the SVD. Immediately, I note that an article on this topic was here .... To a simple question, how to replace all modifications of the SVD, a lot of comments like "we will win"! And the whole conversation boils down to the fact that we are like "surpass" the Kalashmat, then we will upgrade the SVD and, accordingly, we will make a sippy from "MAXIM"))
            As a "doctor" I will tell a doctor that the microwave oven can be nominated for tefi, as the Skyueevs, only in small copies))))
            1. +4
              7 December 2019 06: 03
              You missed the lack of a mechanical sight for a colleague. Many times they danced from him for a hundred. Rescued repeatedly.
        2. -2
          7 December 2019 06: 57
          About the cartridge mean? Well, 3cm is certainly not a standard cartridge for SVD, because it is accuracy in the region of 0,5 if you count in angular minutes. The guy on the video said that she knocks out a unit, there it was already talking about a standard cartridge, as I understand it. This is higher than SVD accuracy in any case. Even if there is no such advantage in fact, then it is much more compact and convenient.
    9. 0
      6 December 2019 23: 32
      that's why the barrel was shortened, because besides weight reduction and ergonomics, there are no advantages over SVDM .. it is that this system is more convenient in buildings and when pulling out
      1. +2
        7 December 2019 06: 27
        In the building, as far as I remember, an optical sight is not needed. You can’t say about the ability to shoot semi-automatic (hello to chatters).
        1. 0
          9 December 2019 18: 34
          but I don’t say anything about the bolts) I'm talking about SVDM and microwave
    10. 0
      7 December 2019 18: 25
      Quote: Brigadier
      You can no longer read further. Another clone of SVD with slightly improved features.

      Yes, but improved to such an extent that it allows you to use the rifle as an assault weapon, saving the fighter from carrying additional weapons.
    11. 0
      13 February 2020 20: 21
      Beretta is essentially a P-38 clone, only looks different. So what?
  2. +6
    6 December 2019 05: 58
    And I already have a microwave ...! And quite a while ... in the kitchen! fellow
    1. +7
      6 December 2019 08: 21
      how accuracy is at a hundred meters? lol
      1. +8
        6 December 2019 09: 43
        Quote: novel xnumx
        how accuracy is at a hundred meters?

        What are the "hundred meters" !? belay But the accuracy of one hundred percent! good And what else can be in the kitchenette in the panel 5-storey building!? what
      2. +8
        6 December 2019 16: 00
        If without giggles, due to a fundamentally new, in comparison with SVD, principle of constructing a barrel, a bolt using a carrier "channel", the accuracy on a hundred square meters is at least two times better than that of the SVD.
        The feedback from the shooters is very positive, it shoots much more calmly, without a toss, it beats more closely and allows you to shoot faster (less leaves).
        I'd love to shoot from a new rifle.
        I hope it works out.
        1. +5
          6 December 2019 19: 11
          Quote: Romanenko
          due to the fundamentally new, in comparison with SVD, principle of barrel construction

          what nafig a new principle? Yes, and fundamentally?
          In SVD / SVDM / Tigra / SV-98 and so, trunks are made using unique technology by electroerosion. Where is even newer?
          I will not say anything about the "shutter with the use of a carrier" channel, I personally did not matsal the microwave shutter, but who matsal - they say that it is almost one-to-one like that of the SVD.
          Quote: Romanenko
          accuracy on a hundredth is at least twice as good as that of SVD
          What a little mane, compare weapons of the 2020s with a rifle of the 1960s, why do you compare with SVD?
          You need to compare with SVDM, or custom "chassis" from SAG, for example.


          And immediately it turns out that the difference is something, consider no and no.
          Yes, the microwave is "softer" than SVDM, and more comfortable.
          But with manually modernized "custom" there is no longer any difference.
          I repeat, if you sensibly modernize "old man Dragunov"
          - no new rifle is needed.
          1. +5
            6 December 2019 20: 51
            At SVD, the main difficult and irreparable problem point is the construction of a rifle around the receiver. The barrel end is cantilevered in it, and the sight on the side of the box through the massive part - the bracket. When firing at the receiver, multidirectional bending and twisting force moments act simultaneously. Elimination of errors during shooting can be achieved by strengthening the SK by using more durable steel grades or by increasing the thickness of the loaded elements and, accordingly, adding weight.
            Side mounting of the sight on the bracket eliminates the use of anything that does not correspond to its installation points.
            In addition, the outdoor temperature and heating of the SK also affect the bulky design of the bracket, in a word, it is possible to achieve greater accuracy on the SVD, but not to the extent that it is immediately available to the microwave.
            Recently, brackets with Picatinny rails have appeared that allow you to put arbitrary sights on the SVD, but this still does not fundamentally affect accuracy and accuracy, since the very design of the SVD simply does not allow this to be achieved.
            The microwave has parts from the SVD, and this does not mean that it was "licked", you just do not need to come up with something that can be used with a guarantee of quality and reliability, and the shutter is almost the same and the trigger from the SVD and the store, only here everything is built according to the monitor layout, like the M-16, a single guide absolutely precisely links the single-line arrangement of the barrel and the reloading mechanism, due to this, the moments are built in one line, there is no overloaded box that works for twisting, heat is more evenly distributed when firing.
            SVD has almost reached its limit, and as if not tyun, you won’t achieve this.
            Nobody argues that the SVD is a good rifle, but it has already completed its service, there is practically nothing to tune further, unlike it, the microwave is only at the beginning of the "creative" path.
            And already from the cradle he shoots better.
            There is nothing to argue about.
            It's a pity to part with SVD, but still have to.
            And the debate that it’s better will never stop.
            Until now, forums with a foam at the mouth have shared the palm between Mosin and 98K, and they have not been in service with them for a long time, although they have half their fans in the world.
            1. +2
              6 December 2019 21: 22
              they wrote a lot of tricky words, only the facts disprove you.
              SVDekhi of the 60s, easily made a bunch of 3x2cm. And of the particularly successful parties, a good shooter was given an accuracy of 0,5 MOA. Apparently multidirectional torsional forces acted selectively on them.
              Quote: Romanenko
              SVD has almost reached its limit and as if not a tyun, you won’t achieve this

              I repeat - the SVD / Tiger is perfectly tunable, the Internet is full of photos of both the rifles themselves and the "minute heaps" of them.
              It's just ... you can’t get a lot of dough on modernization.
              But the new trunks at 200k per little thing - it already looks like a serious business. hi
              1. -1
                6 December 2019 23: 30
                The tiger is generally a civilized SVD, specially spoiled for range and accuracy for hunters, in order to reduce its shooting qualities, so to speak a deformed version, so all its tuning comes down to returning it to SVD
                1. +1
                  7 December 2019 00: 07
                  Quote: Romanenko
                  The tiger is generally a civilized SVD, specially spoiled for range and accuracy for hunters, in order to reduce its shooting qualities

                  nothing there specially they didn’t spoil - they simply simplified the processing and quality control of some units during production
                  Here, I recommend that you familiarize yourself - this is the answer straight from Izhmash:
                  https://forum.guns.ru/forum/2/2366.html
                  1. 0
                    11 December 2019 08: 10
                    I know this tune well, it differs from the army and is noticeably
                2. 0
                  11 December 2019 05: 15
                  Who minus you does not understand anything. You're right. On the Tigers are placed trunks culled from military production. Defects are different there. As in the year in 2000 m the Tiger was shot by all the rules. In addition to anger, it did not cause me anything. And I am very familiar with SVD. These are different rifles. Although similar.
                  1. 0
                    12 December 2019 05: 12
                    Quote: tracer
                    As in the year in 2000 m the Tiger was shot by all the rules.

                    Well, yes, in Canada I also shot "Tiger" ...
                    Quote: tracer
                    Here, too, the Russian people live abroad. He escaped in the 90s from impotence from unemployment, from the despair of the Russian North. I must tell you my brothers.

                    Quote: tracer
                    On the Tigers are placed trunks culled from military production.

                    Initially "Tigers" were the conversion of war barrels from warehouses in Izhmash. And they sold more than are in service with the SVD. So "tracer", again you are past the checkout.
                    1. 0
                      12 December 2019 05: 32
                      Initially, plants do not report their plans to you. Who and what will release. If you are told this is the problem of your lying doctor. In addition, they calculated how many Tigers were sold. Where does infa come from? Also from there? Give examples without using gas ru. I confirm the shield accuracy similar to SVD. Something tells me that, you come up with or lie as usual. Something. However, I absolutely do not need your evidence. Let's fly on a hype, sprinkled it on you ... already. Tsipa Tsipa qipa ...
                      1. 0
                        12 December 2019 07: 31
                        Quote: tracer
                        Where does infa come from? Also from there? Give examples without using gas ru.

                        "Tracer" if you are such an expert on weapons, you should have known that the first versions of the carbine from 1992 to 1995 differed from the SVD only in the long barrel. What I wrote about in the first comment.
                        Quote: Timeout
                        Initially "Tigers" were the conversion of war barrels from warehouses in Izhmash
                        But the confirmation from "Kalashnikov"
                        https://kalashnikov.media/question/chem-razlichayutsya-modifikatsii-karabina-tigr-7-62-isp-01-shifr-shifr-sok-5-kom21-ot-tigr-7-62-isp-

                        After 1995, the rifling pitch was changed to 320 mm, and the gas regulator was removed and the trigger was changed, which automatically implies the inability to use defective trunks from military orders. What you wrote earlier
                        Quote: tracer
                        On the Tigers are placed trunks culled from military production.

                        For export models, the twist is generally 280 mm. And which military are rejected?
                        Further, more than 7,62 thousand "tigers" of all modifications chambered for the 54x20R cartridge were produced, about 4 thousand were exported to the United States, and this is not counting for other calibers. All this is on the Kalashnikov website.
                        Quote: tracer
                        I confirm the shield accuracy similar to SVD.


                        Well, now, "Canadian" you are ours, there is no need to blur the answer to the question:
                        Quote: Timeout
                        Well, yes, in Canada I also shot "Tiger" ...

                        Where are the Tigers in Canada?
                      2. 0
                        30 December 2019 17: 42
                        To go nuts, and that this link has changed ... Admins, of course this is all interesting. But along the way, Smironov will have to knock directly, bypassing VO. There will be a joke when WorldPressa reads the logs. And here is what was https://youtu.be/qzvmlugxvn Yes, an ovoid-like bullshit on the part of the modders. Anyway, someone will see this comment.
                      3. 0
                        30 December 2019 17: 49
                        Exactly three minutes passed ... And as in a fairy tale, everything returned to the ass. Who is so smart on the site? And the screenshots then remained!
              2. +1
                7 December 2019 19: 01
                Quote: psiho117
                It's just ... you can’t get a lot of dough on modernization.

                in the same decaying west, offices involved in the production of whales for tuning weapons do not make good money (and the price tag doesn’t bite like that, unlike our Zenith), we only need a lot (money) at once.
          2. +1
            9 December 2019 08: 25
            The SV 98 has a dear friend, reportedly from the weapons press, a barrel forged by cold rotational forging. The Austrian company Steier also forges trunks for his sniper rifles, which are used by the Austrian army.
        2. 0
          7 December 2019 06: 38
          "A fundamentally new barrel construction"? What is it like ? What have they stopped doing with the use of radical cold forging? Which increases the strength and durability of the barrel by an order of magnitude. Is it triangular inside? Labaevsky rifle barrels cut with a single-pass cutter (there are several of them on one rifling), cannot be compared in strength with cold forged ones. And the fact that the diameter of the trunk is thicker made "construction"? Not funny
          1. +1
            7 December 2019 17: 46
            Quote: tracer
            What they stopped doing with the use of radical cold forging

            I have not seen information that "Izhmash" changed the technology for the release of barrels for SVD \ Tiger bully
            They are made by the method of electrochemical etching (or electroerosion, and so it is called) - an electrode with a groove profile is pulled through the barrel bore and an electric current is supplied, at the point of "contact" the barrel metal is etched out and grooves are obtained.
            http://www.hpbt.org/articles/svd.htm Вот подробное описание в начале статьи
            For mass production - excellent, the method is quite accurate and fast.
            Forging on Izhmash produces trunks for rifles - for example, SV-98.
            1. +2
              8 December 2019 02: 47
              Thank. Honestly, I was sure that he was cold-forged. Like submachine guns and machine guns. I really read it ... For me, SVD will always be associated with my youth, dawn in the mountains and bright stars on a frosty night after a hot day. Yes...
  3. 0
    6 December 2019 06: 00
    Well, God is weak, if the barrel is really 560. And then 410 is somehow not enough for a sniper, even for a sniper unit.
  4. +8
    6 December 2019 06: 03
    At the expense of the title, in order to completely change the legend, you must first become IT! Otherwise, it turns out they haven’t accepted them yet, but they have already written down to the legend.
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    2. -21
      6 December 2019 06: 21
      Legend is Ata arms turqua winked Minute Barnaul wink
      1. +12
        6 December 2019 07: 43
        Few people know your legend. And SVD is known all over the world and it fights on all continents.
    3. +1
      6 December 2019 09: 33
      And why should she become a legend? If a weapon has a prospect, then let it be in the arsenal of only our army.
      1. +2
        6 December 2019 12: 02
        You see! They just wrote that this weapon is a change of legend, and you have already decided that it is promising. For me, it’s difficult to immediately abandon the time-tested SVD, especially since there was no information about the fact that the microwave passed the run-in in Syria, and this is important.
  5. 0
    6 December 2019 06: 09
    Judging by the photo, there is no open sight, but it could be done, and why are they so worried about the SVD and AK lying in the warehouses? Let them lie, they don’t ask to eat.
    1. -1
      6 December 2019 12: 54
      They can be installed without problems folding. They are not there so that the scope can be installed below. There was a need - unfastened the scope and pressed the buttons on them, they stood in working position.
      You can easily install a ring sight there, for example, from a factory defense or a million other companies that produce them. As for me, it is a million times easier to shoot from it than from our open one. In fact, this is a "non-deoptric sight".
      And if you want the old old school, I’m sure you can screw simple ones that are open to the bar.
      1. +5
        7 December 2019 06: 57
        You are apparently far from weapons as from the earth to a neighboring galaxy.
        1. Do you call these ugly hefty parodies of a mechanical sight sights?
        2. Do you understand that you need a special screwdriver or key to tighten them on the Planck. Well, in your case they need to click. Only in this case, installed on a short Planck, they will not work precisely because the distance between the front and rear is not so large, therefore, errors in aiming are already guaranteed and this is on a sniper ... rifle
        3. Well, of course, when you need to quickly take aim at the mechanics .. the enemy runs 50 meters crouching even with the latches on the sight just about the car (I generally keep quiet about the need to remove the optics).
        4. I want to see how you screw the flies on the weapon polyamide. And about the fact that all this should be shot and not unscrew and not fly off from a blow to the armor .....
        1. 0
          8 December 2019 00: 15
          Tracer well done!
          add pro bayonet knife
          1. 0
            8 December 2019 02: 26
            Bayonet knife for an amateur. An ax can or a chainsaw as an option.
        2. 0
          9 December 2019 08: 15
          I’ll tell you a terrible secret - modern thought follows the path of installing a small collimator instead of mechanical sights or installing a sight type 1-6
          It is also possible to install mechanical sights that work with installed optics (tilted from the axis of the weapon)
          1. +1
            9 December 2019 12: 31
            You will discover this secret for yourself. Those who are interested are aware of many secrets. Including your rejected ones. And the long sighting line on the mechanics hasn't hurt anyone yet. I have already explained to you the situation with the colimators. In your previous statements about his almighty good. And one more thing ... The sight of the picatinny goes astray as well. This is your flashlight on the picatinny pistol does not go astray. And the sight still goes astray. Tell the shkolota how he took it off - put it on and he again "there".
    2. 0
      6 December 2019 19: 23
      It is asked to eat. Under them, you need to maintain a warehouse, the warehouse requires protection i.e. personnel. And the personnel want to eat, get paid, and they also need some kind of equipment, which also needs to be kept in good condition.
  6. +6
    6 December 2019 06: 11
    Of course, progress and positive. But.
    1) What is the concept of using ammunition, SVD-eshnaya? (that is, you can "take a machine gunner from the belt?"). What is the rifling step, optimized for firing accuracy or for omnivorous ammunition supply?
    2) what is the optical sight for the army version?
    First impression, IMHO: from the point of view of an infantry sniper (Marxman, sharpshooter), there are no cardinal advantages, in comparison, for example, with SVD-M.
    1. -15
      6 December 2019 06: 19
      So cut lol Why any cardinal benefits? When can I Cut Loot? lol
    2. +7
      6 December 2019 08: 08
      Quote: infantryman2020
      First impression, IMHO: from the point of view of an infantry sniper (Marxman, sharpshooter), there are no cardinal advantages, in comparison, for example, with SVD-M.
      The microwave rifle will definitely be more expensive, already due to the fact that the release is just beginning. Moreover, the Dragunov rifle allows operation even with severe contamination of the trigger mechanism, while remaining very reliable and tenacious, and the microwave trigger mechanism suspended in the receiver requires close attention and care.
      If the rifle is for well-aimed shooters in the combat formations of the infantry (Marksman), and not for the snipers themselves, pros, why all these "show-offs"? For use in infantry battle formations, the SVD will be better. Apparently, "effective" managers rule again, with all the ensuing consequences.
    3. +1
      6 December 2019 08: 51
      The declared spread per 100 meters is 3 cm, for SVD - from 8 to 10 cm.
      Vintovka stala 3 reza tocnee, sto jeso nado? Stobi strelala lazernim lucom?
      1. +5
        6 December 2019 10: 46
        Quote: vitinka
        The declared spread per 100 meters is 3 cm, for SVD - from 8 to 10 cm.
        Like, - "The rifle has become 3 times more accurate, what else is needed"? Good question. First, you need to decide on the declared spread of 3 cm, what cartridges did you shoot? It will somehow be sly if they take standard characteristics from the SVD, army cartridges, and the microwave cartridge is imported, special. It is no secret that a lot depends on the quality of the gunpowder in the cartridge, the same "Kalash", give it cartridges with high-quality gunpowder, will significantly increase accuracy.

        In addition, evaluating a weapon based on one accuracy of the battle does not always give a definitive, unambiguous answer about the quality of the weapon. In addition to accuracy, other characteristics need to be taken into account - reliability in a wide variety of conditions, dimensions and weight, simplicity and ease of use, and finally, the production cost of the sample (important for mass, army weapons). As stated, this is primarily about a rifle for infantry fighting formations, so why fence for the sake of the garden, especially if you still need a new cartridge, and not the regular one that is used in conventional infantry units?
      2. +3
        6 December 2019 20: 22
        Quote: vitinka
        The declared spread per 100 meters is 3 cm, for SVD - from 8 to 10 cm

        Heresy. This is the data from the Manual on Small Arms for the SVD, 1967 edition, for the standard machine gun cartridge with LPS bullet
        It’s with this SVD cartridge that it shoots 4 shots per 100 m in an 8 cm circle for the barrel with a pitch of rifling 320 mm, and 10 cm for the barrel with a pitch of rifling 240 mm.
        For some reason, there is not a word about this 7H1 sniper cartridge in this manual, so all the parrot parrots thoughtlessly duplicate this data.
        When firing a 7H1 cartridge, the standard dispersion is (depending on the pitch of the rifling) not more than 10 or 12 cm at a distance of 300 m
        In short, the accuracy of a standard SVD, with the most common 240mm rifling pitch, cannot be less than 1,24 MOA, for rifles with a rifling pitch of 320mm - 1,04 MOA (for a sniper cartridge, of course).
        And maybe better - it depends on the party. The accuracy of the battle of rifles made in the 60s was unusually high: it was often possible to meet specimens with accuracy of 3x2cm at a distance of 100m
        Agree, not bad?
        And I’m not even talking about SVDM - it regularly shoots for at least a minute, and often it’s better.
        The same thing with custom chassis for SVD - a well-tailored lightweight rifle has an accuracy of less than 1 MOA.
        1. +1
          7 December 2019 07: 12
          Thanks for the topic. Simple and clear. We have never been sniper. They shot ordinary.
    4. +1
      6 December 2019 11: 11
      For SVD and for PC, PKM, PKP, different cartridges are used, in principle, accuracy is needed for SVD, dispersion is more important for machine guns, 7,62 PS (7N1) cartridges should be used for SVD, LPS cartridges for machine guns.
    5. 0
      6 December 2019 13: 34
      Your point 1 is stupidity. The pitch of the rifling does not affect the accuracy (if they are correctly executed at all), but rather on the mass of the projectile with which this particular bastard can shoot. To omnivorous rifling have nothing to do. The steeper the twist, the easier it needs bullets. But all this is calculated in the ratio of barrel length / tweets.
      The second paragraph of IMHO. So no comment.
      1. +3
        6 December 2019 15: 13
        Everything came from a concept developed by the military for the SVD.
        For the SVD, the course of the rifling of the barrel was chosen, which also allows the use of cartridges with an armor-piercing incendiary bullet - for the universality of its combat use. For this I had to pay a deterioration in the overall accuracy of firing by a third.
        With an alternative, with another step, maximum accuracy was ensured, but the B-32 bullet became unstable on the trajectory.
        The choice was then made in favor of the universal ("omnivorous") option.
        Understand the topic and be more modest, otherwise it will be a shame.
        No comment.
        1. +2
          6 December 2019 16: 15
          I didn’t plan to offend anyone.
          But the topic of omnivorousness is again a kind of deception or misunderstanding. She is not omnivorous.
          As I wrote correctly, a twist affects the types of bullets that can be used.
          If, according to the technical requirements, she has to launch heavy bullets, then she has a twist of 9 (maximum 10). This means that it will be good to launch the bullets only weighing 180g and above.
          And lighter, 150g, will have a greater dispersion.
          What does 9 twist have to do with versatility? It's just that it is imprisoned under a heavy bullet, and a regular bullet to it is easier.
          This does not mean that it cannot be charged with 123gr bullet, it means that it will be 9cm per 100m or an iron.
          1. +1
            6 December 2019 18: 14
            In general, we are talking about the same thing, only from different angles and in different languages.
            Okay.
      2. +1
        6 December 2019 16: 09
        You just did not understand the meaning of my post (or did not want to understand). The information you probably know.
    6. +1
      6 December 2019 19: 47
      Quote: infantryman2020
      Rifling pitch which optimized for accuracy or for omnivorous ammunition

      It is still unknown how the warriors will say - they will. But 90% of that omnivorous will continue to be a priority.
      All modifications of the SVD in bulk (for the army) come with trunks under 240mm. If the customer discusses this issue separately, they can do both 280mm and 320mm. SVDM and SV-98 come in 320mm increments.
      In short, everything is in the hands of the customer.
    7. 0
      9 December 2019 08: 16
      There are advantages and they are more than obvious. The rifle is nevertheless correctly arranged and more convenient
  7. +6
    6 December 2019 06: 21
    A feature of the new Chukavin sniper rifle is that this weapon was fully designed using digital technology. Created by designers "electronic layout"

    Hello! It is the 20s of the XXI century, and the "digital layout" we have some extremely unique way of development!
    1. +6
      6 December 2019 07: 03
      The same phrase warped. I do not see a fundamental difference. On the culmination, they drew it. Or on screen monica.
      1. +3
        6 December 2019 07: 41
        Quote: Monar
        The same phrase warped. I do not see a fundamental difference. On the culmination, they drew it. Or on screen monica.

        I think it matters if the further production process requires digitization.
        1. +3
          6 December 2019 08: 33
          Of course. It requires. I do not see this as an achievement. It has long been standard.
          But if they developed a mathematical model, how does the same shutter work. Given the alloys and heaps, everything else ... Then another conversation.
    2. +5
      6 December 2019 08: 47
      It is the 20s of the XXI century, and the "digital layout" we have some extremely unique way of development!
      That's it! For the information of the author, only first-year students draw on drawing boards now. At enterprises, the product is first modeled in 3D ("compass", "inventory"), then laid out on projections and converted into working drawings. The author found some kind of clear connection between the design tool and the weapon's performance characteristics.
    3. 0
      15 February 2020 15: 30
      Well, apparently Izhmash mastered AutoCAD and SolidWorks
  8. -21
    6 December 2019 06: 38
    Generally in the furnace all sorts of microwave and mr1 lol We buy Turku 308 mod 2 and Enjoy good
    1. +3
      6 December 2019 07: 52
      "The cost of the MR-1 rifle has not yet been officially announced, but on the weapon forums they write that it will be in the range of 100 to 200 thousand rubles."

      I do not think that there are many who want to buy weapons for that kind of money. Crafts from the BCC are taken for approximately the same money, but at least the DTK looks brutal there. Some people really think that this is a silencer :), forgetting that a silencer for hunting weapons is prohibited by law.
  9. +5
    6 December 2019 07: 23
    a lot of letters and nothing about WHAT is the microwave frequency much better than the SVD? 200g lighter? and the price is 10 times more - here it is "unplowed field"!
    1. +3
      6 December 2019 09: 22
      And why is it easier? It is more than half a kilo heavier ... SVD weighs 3,9 kg, and this is with an open sight, which is not on this "miracle". The author of the article is "disingenuous" comparing the weight of microwave without optics with SVD with optics (where PSO immediately gives plus 0,6 kg) and immediately wins in weight ...
  10. +8
    6 December 2019 07: 37
    Read and laugh.
    "And if the rifle cartridge 7,62x54 mm R does not raise any questions today, then there are already questions to the SVD. This rifle does not fully meet the modern requirements of hostilities, its replacement has long been ripe and, apparently, there is very little to wait for this . ", as far as can be judged on the accuracy and range are influenced by two indicators, the quality of the cartridge and the quality of the barrel. It is clear to anyone that technology has not stood still for 55 years.
    The question is, what makes it difficult to make SVD trunks from new materials using modern technologies, obviously not what, then what is it, sabotage?
    Make a bipod in a kit ?, this is a complicated process.
    Hang the bar, what an impossible task?
    "A feature of the new Chukavin sniper rifle is that this weapon was completely designed using digital technologies." SVD, based on modern design achievements, to compare what we have and what to strive for, the most important thing is what will be the modernization of SVD.
    The microwave also has the right to life, since it was originally designed for 8,6 ammunition.
    SVD in the world of weapons is the same brand as AK, and this is money and not small with proper use.
    1. 0
      6 December 2019 20: 37
      Quote: Strashila
      what prevents to make barrels for SVD from new materials using modern technologies

      Everything is there - on SVDM a thickened barrel is posted with a pitch of 320 mm rifling ... Accuracy - a minute or less.
      Conclusion - the concern simply wants a denyuzhku for new rifles.

      Quote: Strashila
      The microwave also has the right to life, since it was originally designed for 8,6 ammunition.

      There is no problem - SVDK under a more powerful cartridge did - and under Lapua Magnum calmly do.
      There would be a desire.
  11. +1
    6 December 2019 07: 41
    Designed in 3D, redesigned the SVD into plastic and suck in exorbitantly. Defective managers ....
  12. 0
    6 December 2019 07: 48
    "And if the rifle cartridge 7,62x54 mm R does not raise any questions today, then there are already questions for the SVD."

    Just in time for the cartridge and there are questions. More precisely, to the letter R. Under a cartridge with a rim, it is more difficult to create a reliable mechanism for feeding cartridges. Therefore, almost all countries have switched to sniper rifles under a cartridge with a groove.
    1. +5
      6 December 2019 08: 31
      "It is more difficult to create a reliable feed mechanism" - yes, it is, but it was already created by the outstanding Soviet designer Dragunov more than 50 years ago, the mechanism has proven its reliability over time, so you should not worry about the difficulties of designers. Now they just copy it, making a minimum of adjustments. The 7,62x54R sniper cartridge has long been produced by us (7N1, 7N14, 7N37), normal ammunition for training and combat work is available. Nevertheless, if the sniper cartridges run out in the battle, the gunner with the SVD or microwave oven will have something to charge from the machine gunner, he will not be left without ammunition. For a range of up to 700 m, the 7,62x54R is sufficient in terms of both ballistics and penetration.
      1. +2
        6 December 2019 13: 25
        There, not only and not so much in the filing of the matter, it is more relevant for machine guns. And for the rifle, the problem is in the stores. If you compare with Western counterparts, they have a standard of 20 rounds for a Marxman, for a cartridge with a rim more than 10 in half a century they couldn’t do it. We tried, but nothing sensible happened.
    2. +3
      6 December 2019 13: 15
      They use an SVDshny store, so there may not be a problem. They will start if they are asked to make a store with a larger capacity - this will be an interesting movie with a very unclear ending. But the cartridge does not make sense to change - remaking PKMs for 0,308WIN will only make them heavier and create problems with reliability, and the machine gun is still more valuable than a super-accurate rifle, the capabilities of which can be realized well if one shooter is out of 20. If the cartridge changes, then there will already be others rifles and machine guns.
      1. +6
        6 December 2019 17: 29
        Quote: soloveyav
        If the cartridge will change, then there will already be other rifles and machine guns.

        I agree. Not only that, in warehouses, but also production, to redo. And to us, now is not up to that ...
  13. +1
    6 December 2019 08: 01
    It is known that development assistance was provided by Andrei Kirisenko


    Oh, the Zlobin AK-12, PL-14/15, and now the microwave from its supply. Well, then the fate of the microwave is already determined.
  14. +2
    6 December 2019 08: 02
    If "... since the heart of the new model - the locking unit - was taken from the" elder sister. "Also, according to Mikhail Degtyarev, the concepts of the gas engine and the bolt group differ only in details", what is the innovation? In a plastic body kit? Accuracy is better. by what? Ammo, rifling, or something else? There are more questions than answers.
    1. -1
      9 December 2019 08: 19
      In the construction of the rifle, read the comments, do not write what you do not understand
      There is a sense of the transition, the microwave rifle is made much more competent, under the modern concept
      1. 0
        9 December 2019 14: 32
        Maybe leave the site? Questions are asked to find out the answers. And save snobbery for your wife. You definitely do not need answers.
        1. -1
          11 December 2019 09: 14
          And nobody is going to answer you, your incompetent opinion, asked not in the form of a question, but in the form of a sort of self-affirmation, when with a smart look it is said that which does not correspond to reality and does not need any answers.
  15. +3
    6 December 2019 08: 06
    According to the channel "Star", the adoption of the microwave in the arsenal of the Russian army will happen in the next two years.

    The "star" is big. He knows best what kind of weapon the Defense Ministry will adopt for the next 100 years.
  16. 0
    6 December 2019 09: 37
    Sniper rifles will no doubt survive. But betting on them is like buying saddles for a tank unit. The real weaponry of the future is already clearly visible. It is a pity that the Izhevsk residents are still engaged only in "barrel polishing" and do not see any prospects. And even worse, that behind each such outdated rifle before its release, the forehead of someone's son or someone's daughter will stick out. Our own children and grandchildren!
    1. 0
      6 December 2019 09: 53
      The real weapons of the future are already clearly visible.


      And what is it like. Armament.
  17. +5
    6 December 2019 09: 58
    1-minute microwave - fracture, the barrel is in contact with the forearm only in the breech, the optical sight is attached to the forearm curtain, hence the accuracy.

    A 3-minute SVD with a receiver cover and a side bracket that plays from thermal deformations under an optical sight had to be replaced with an analogue of a microwave in 1960-70 when switching to a barrel under an armor-piercing cartridge with a reduced cutting pitch
    https://www.kalashnikov.ru/medialibrary/271/084_090.pdf

    But for GRAU half a century is within the limits of statistical error laughing
    1. 0
      8 December 2019 15: 30
      The barrel is in contact with the receiver through the gas mechanism, albeit with a separate pulse. So you are mistaken.
      1. +3
        8 December 2019 17: 13
        As for the microwave, you are right - the barrel and the gas engine are in contact only with the receiver (which includes a curtain, the forearm is hung on the latter).
        1. +5
          8 December 2019 17: 32
          In SVD, the forearm halves rest on the trunk at the gas outlet

          1. 0
            8 December 2019 19: 44
            This is the answer to why you don't put bipods on SVD.
            1. +5
              8 December 2019 20: 11
              And also lean the forearm on your hand or other support.
              1. 0
                8 December 2019 20: 24
                The hand is not as rigid as two steel sticks. At the moment of the shot, the hand absorbs in the same way as soft earth, parapet or a bag of sand. On the bipod, the trunk jumps up through the bipod. It is for this reason that the bipod are mainly on bolt rifles in which the barrel only touches the receiver. Although they still put on heavy rifles. But through a flexible plate of some kind. It's called "Free floated barrell". All that concerns something else, but in this case, the mechanism of the gas pusher is NOT a freely suspended barrel by definition.
                1. +4
                  8 December 2019 20: 46
                  Only bolts and semi-free self-loading bolts have a fully-hung (free-floating) barrel.

                  But for the implementation of the last (Marxman) option, domestic developers must have eggs, and there are problems with this laughing
  18. 0
    6 December 2019 09: 59
    Semiautomatic device in .338? Awaiting his glorious future.
    1. +1
      6 December 2019 21: 04
      Quote: Alex_You
      Semiautomatic device in .338? Awaiting his glorious future.

      .338 caliber redundant for Marxman. This is a cartridge for a sniper firing at a long distance.
      There is no need for microwave under this cartridge.
      1. 0
        8 December 2019 20: 44
        +100500! You.
  19. +3
    6 December 2019 10: 07
    "The new Chukavin sniper rifle will be put into production in 2020" and at the same time "... the adoption of microwave ovens for the Russian army will take place in the next two years ..." Upside down? When did this happen? In our country, even the very fact of "being adopted" does not guarantee serial production and delivery to the troops! There are many examples, the same AN-94 assault rifle! In general, I notice for a long time, swing for a long time! If at one time our designers worked like that, they would probably still have walked with Mosin rifles and ridden T-34-85 tanks!
  20. +6
    6 December 2019 13: 22
    Quote: Monar
    But they could not clarify. Well, for example, the M-16.

    If a normal cartridge with normal gunpowder was used, the gas pipe needs to be cleaned extremely rarely.
    The barrel can be cleaned without disassembling at all (for example, putting it on hold.
    Access to the receiver is no more difficult than to AK. I would even say more convenient. There are no individual parts there. The pins.
    One pin is removed (you cannot lose it, it has a limiter), and on the second it breaks. The shutter is smaller there. But for rough cleaning there is no need to go into it much. So in the presence of a flat surface there are also no difficulties. He cleaned the main dirt with a rag and closed it back.
    My gun also has enough small details in the bolt, but even a hint of their loss has never been. There is no need to disassemble the shutter in the field.
    For example, on the hk-416 there is no more dirt in the receiver than in the AK. There is a piston system. Broke the aper / lover, wipe, close. Serious cleaning in the field is not carried out, and if something is horrible, eliminating is not a problem in any system. Engineers are not stupid there either.
    And since it was about convenience, I had SCS. Here is who is an unrivaled leader in field cleaning. God forbid to contact him. Not only can you make out without a tool, so the details will jump in all directions. Who took out the gas piston - he knows what I mean. The first time I got it from under the sofa. Flew away by 3 meters.
  21. 0
    6 December 2019 13: 26
    The declared spread per 100 meters is 3 cm, for SVD - from 8 to 10 cm.
    Is not it too much?
  22. +2
    6 December 2019 13: 30
    The topic of rifling steps was not disclosed, the same SVD changed the step for the use of armor-piercing and accuracy fell. Therefore, old trunks up to a year are more accurate than newer ones.
    1. +2
      6 December 2019 13: 39
      All bullets are different. When choosing a twist for the SVD, the Ministry of Defense indicated in the specification what it wanted to shoot. Everything is there in the complex. If you start sticking other bullets in there, the result is unpredictable. It will fly at 100m, but further dispersion will be an order of magnitude greater than "suitable" bullets.
  23. +6
    6 December 2019 13: 34
    Quote: Fibrizio
    One pin is removable

    Pulls out.
    1. +1
      6 December 2019 13: 40
      I agree. You can stretch to write. The essence does not change.
      For our citizens, we can give an example with the SKS receiver cover, not quite, but almost as well.
      1. +4
        6 December 2019 13: 54
        In all fairness, a break is, of course, better than the receiver cover, but even better is a solid box (cast from aluminum alloy) with an assembly mounted on the bottom of the trigger, the control handle and the magazine shaft.

        And the one-piece box-bed-fore-end-grip-shaft (with a removable butt plate) is generally aerobatics laughing
        1. +2
          6 December 2019 16: 19
          Is that like a scar? I never held it in my hands, unlike AR, but from what I saw, it seemed that eliminating the delay there would be more difficult, as access to the giblets through a hole under the butt. Stuck - I don’t even know how to get it out of there. Do not crawl.
          1. +6
            6 December 2019 20: 41
            Dismantling FN SCAR - from the third minute



            The difficulty of cleaning the box (compared to breaking) is the price for accuracy.
  24. 0
    6 December 2019 15: 32
    SVD in a new body kit is shorter
  25. +5
    6 December 2019 19: 32
    The only thing that can please is the success of Andrei Yurievich Chukavin, who could name the rifle by his name smile There is nothing new in it even for the 20th century, for which it is creative - microwave, it seems to be something like home and modern lol I just didn’t understand, but where is the bayonet knife attached? smile
  26. +2
    6 December 2019 20: 13
    I read with interest the article on the release of a new, more modern checker and bayonet-knife, which, when adopted, will make a radical change on the battlefield.
  27. Kaw
    +2
    6 December 2019 20: 20
    The new Kalashnikov concern model is more compact and lighter than the entire SVD line, which is very important in modern combat conditions.

    If we talk about the barrel length of these rifles, then they are almost equal. In the SVDM model, the barrel length is 565 mm, in the new microwave rifle, according to the latest rollers published on the website kalashnikov.media, 560 mm.

    Judging by the photo, the latest microwave model is equal in length to the SVD, and the second photo compares the early (short) microwave model with the SVDM.
    At the same time, the new weapon is lighter, the declared weight of the microwave oven with the magazine without cartridges is 4,5 kg, the weight of the SVDM is 5,3 kg, the SIDS is 4,7 kg.

    That is, if you replace wooden parts with plastic ones on the SVD, the difference will be only 200 g. ?
    The only real problem of adopting a microwave rifle and the beginning of mass production may be the high cost of the model in the presence of a large number of SVD, SVD-S and new SVDM.

    Hence the conclusion. If it makes sense to take this rifle into service, then only under the cartridge 8,6. Otherwise, we simply replace the SVD with its analogue, but at the same time for a lot of money.
  28. +1
    6 December 2019 20: 47
    For SVD, there are questions, but for the long-obsolete cartridge 7,62x54 no.
  29. +6
    6 December 2019 20: 59
    Quote: Kaw
    That is, if you replace wooden parts with plastic ones on the SVD, the difference will be only 200 g. ?

    SVD is 600 grams lighter than microwave. 3900gr is its weight. SVDS is also lighter-4100gr is its weight, 4700gr indicated in the article is weight with optics. The author compares Dragunov rifles with installed PSO (+ 616gr), and the microwave takes weight without sight ...
  30. +2
    6 December 2019 22: 25
    Continuous advertising! For a sniper, she’s mediocre. Established production of SVD and in its warehouses a lot, the USSR was preparing for war seriously. Characteristics - generally not impressive. Well, except that it has become shorter by a dozen cm. A breakthrough - NO! But there is an advertisement.
  31. 0
    7 December 2019 06: 51
    Everything is clear with the author, but there are questions to the editorial board. Earlier there was more respect for the resource, now I understand that "loot wins evil." Sad ...
  32. +3
    7 December 2019 11: 14
    And where is the open sight, rear sight, front sight? Or is it meant that the army sniper will work purely only with optics? An unreasonable decision ...
    1. 0
      7 December 2019 15: 43
      Sorry, did not read your comment. So we are somewhere right ..
  33. -1
    7 December 2019 13: 07
    Minute semiautomatic device? On accountable cartridges? Yeah. Bagging is much harder
  34. +3
    7 December 2019 15: 42
    Or am I not understanding something or is there no mechanical sights at all? Fucked the sight - and krants? IMHO is not good ... Reminds me of the abandonment of cannon weapons on F-4 fighters ... Later they seized, but they paid dearly ...
  35. 0
    7 December 2019 17: 36
    What is the point of pumping money into mass production of a sniper rifle with the same combat characteristics as the SVD.
    It was much more logical and cheaper to upgrade the SVD according to the AK-74M example by replacing the wooden butt with a folding butt with adjustable length, adding a plastic body kit with integrated Picatini straps and thereby reduce the weight of the SVD.

    The NATO infantry "disguises" in a new generation of bulletproof vests that hold a shot from an AK at 100 m and a shot from an SVD at 200 m, as a result, the benefit from rearmament on a microwave with a caliber of 7,62x54 is close to zero.

    The infantry needs a "Russian BARRET" with a caliber of 12.7 mm, no more than 1,2 m long and weighing up to 10 kg. This rifle should "flash" any modern and promising body armor, light armored vehicles, the enemy behind cover and have an aiming range of 1,5 km ...
    Kovrov ASVK 12,7 mm has tremendous power, but it is too heavy (with a scope and ammunition 14,7 kg) and slow (length 1420 mm) for operations in the ranks of the infantry squad / platoon ....
    With such a "shaft" you can fit neither an infantry fighting vehicle nor an armored personnel carrier, and it is extremely difficult to move in a general formation with a weapon weighing almost 15 kg.
    Degtyarevtsy should develop for the Moscow region an infantry sniper rifle with a caliber of -12,7, a length of 1.2m and a return no stronger than that of the SVD in order to provide the army with reliable and powerful weapons for another 40-60 years.

    Long-range microwave chambered for .338 LAPUA MAGNUM (8,6x70 mm) with a range of up to 1,5 km needed "yesterday"
    in sniper units of special forces, MTR, Airborne Forces, MP ....
    This is just the weapon that is in demand and which is expected in the troops.
  36. 0
    8 December 2019 14: 01
    At the same time, the new weapon is lighter, the declared weight of the microwave oven with the magazine without cartridges is 4,5 kg, the weight of the SVDM is 5,3 kg, the SIDS is 4,7 kg.

    Not easier. The mass of the SVDS is 4,7 kg, taking into account the 0,58 kg of the mass of the PSO-1M2 sight. It's the same story with SVDM. The microwave weighs 4,5 kg "naked".
    Since ordinary infantrymen are arming themselves with a rifle, they have to participate in assault operations in urban areas, where compactness and lower weight of the weapon play a large role, here the microwave also beats the SVD.
    SIDS under these conditions will often have an advantage over microwave.
  37. 0
    21 December 2019 11: 54
    COMPARE VAZ 2101 (svd) GOOD RELIABLE AND MOST IMPORTANT NOT PREFERABLE AND (MICROWAVE) AND PETERSKY ... TYPE Ford))) DON'T GIVE GOD YOU SHOOT IN IT (UNCLEANED) STATE
  38. 0
    16 January 2020 21: 28
    For many years I did not write comments on weapon sites, but this article was terribly pissed off (and various commentators too).
    Especially terrible is the bullshit statement about the SVD - "The declared spread per 100 meters is 3 cm (for microwave), for SVD - from 8 to 10 cm."
    I am a hunter with experience of over 15 years. I own the Tiger carbine (I’ll explain, this is the civilian version of the SVD) in caliber 7,62x54 for about 10 years. And a Toz-122 rifle in caliber 308 win.
    I like to shoot from rifled paper as well. Often fired 150-200 shots per training session from his weapon at the shooting range.
    The accuracy of my carbine Tiger, with Novosibirsk shells of "high accuracy" (this name, there is also "increased accuracy" and two types of "extra" cartridges) with 6 shots per hundred meters 2,2-2,5 cm, the accuracy is indicated in the passport 2,7, 3 cm. A hunting comrade also has a Tiger and also shoots a Novosib better than 200 cm.At 6 meters, it was often possible to achieve an accuracy of 5-6 cm with 9 shots. ... It is more difficult to shoot at three hundred meters due to the lack of a shooting range at such a distance, there are fewer statistics, but it turns out mostly 12-XNUMX cm. I shot at long distances, but there are no statistics from at least a few hundred shots.
    I will explain why 6 rounds per series. 3 shots give absolutely unreliable information, with three shots you can collect a bunch of about 2 cm, then often comes off. When I shoot on paper, the best result is achieved while lying with a soft bag under the rifle, so I use a magazine with 5 rounds of +1 in the barrel. Now, about the pre-warmed barrel (cold barrel), there are no warmed trunks if it is not a machine gun, there is a contaminated barrel. When it is required to shoot perfectly on paper, at least one shot must be fired from the barrel in advance for contamination, even the day before. But the Tiger, even after cleaning and shooting at a clean, cold trunk, does not give off.
    The Tiger or SVD has a weak point on which the accuracy depends, this is the sight mount - a dovetail. Standard sights (I use Novosibirsk 3x9 and Lewpold 25x) because of the aluminum fasteners dangle on the mount from here and the accuracy is 8-10 cm, it is enough to use a screw with a screwed nut and a wrench instead of the standard latch, the sight swaying is eliminated. In my opinion, the Tiger is an ideal self-loading rifle, the unreliability of the fasteners is eliminated by buying a steel bracket. I have such a bracket that the rifle can be disassembled without removing the sight, while the axis of the sight is not raised. Now about one more advantage of the Tiger or SVD, the carbine never misfired, many times was on the hunt in 30 degrees of frost, always shoots. STP does not go away when changing the cartridge, you can shoot at the target by changing the cartridge during one hunt, Barnaul, Novosibirsk, Czech cartridges, any cartridge with any bullet mass does not leave the horizon, this is important, I checked it at a distance of up to 200 meters. For comparison, I will describe shooting from a bolt carbine but in caliber 308 win. After the bedding, the Toz-122 carbine began to shoot with an accuracy of 1,5-1,7 cm in a series of 5 shots, before that the accuracy was more than 5 cm. Toz-122 is very picky about cartridges, has tried many foreign ones, the accuracy is definitely better than in Novosibirsk, "extra" or "high accuracy", in general, cartridges in 308 caliber are more expensive and therefore I shoot them much less often. When shooting with cartridges of different manufacturers from Toz-122, the STP departure can reach tens of centimeters by 200 m.It means that we shoot with Novosibirsk one point of impact, we take other cartridges, shoot a series, the point of impact changes greatly, this is extremely inconvenient.
    Novosibirsk cartridges proved to be the most heapy for both the Tiger and Toza (not an advertisement for Novosibirsk cartridges, I just honestly write).

    Now there’s another important argument: I bought my Tiger in one well-known weapons store near Moscow in 2009 for 32 thousand rubles (in the assortment were several tigers with passports, where the result of the shooting was recorded, mainly 3-3,5 cm), a friend bought 4 years later in Moscow for about 50 thousand rubles, now the Tiger probably costs about 70 thousand rubles. By the way, the milled steel bracket, about 2011 cost about 8-9 thousand rubles.

    Tiger or SVD is an excellent weapon (please do not write and do not ask about the rifling step, buy hunting weapons and cartridges or go to the army and start firing at pieces of paper and you will figure it out yourself).

    How zadolbali krivoruky curved-eyed arrows and those who do not have their own weapons.
    How many years have been obscured by SVD - horror.
    Instead of a new rifle, it was easier to make a normal scope and bracket.
    1. 0
      25 January 2020 21: 04
      Quote: Yegor
      Instead of a new rifle, it was easier to make a normal scope and bracket.

      Wish gentlemen the designers of weapons, enough to stupid with picatinny rails, brackets and other nonsense, enough .. you are required to manufacture a rifle barrel at the factory to tightly weld a piece of pipe into it into which, in the same factory, put the electronic sight and everything, and It's enough.
    2. 0
      2 February 2020 12: 37
      Sorry of course, but can I take a photo of your subminute targets? It’s just that out of thousands of shooters, as far as I know, one could achieve a confirmed subminute accuracy of 100 meters. Everyone else just talks about it. Moreover - I am ready to offer you to repeat your outstanding results with me. To get it - I’ll pay you say 50,0 thousand rubles, I pay the rent of a shooting range and 10 of your Novosibirsk bullets of increased accuracy. It doesn’t work out - 50,0 from you plus payment of my fare to and from you You need to shoot by the method of Hans - 2 * 5.
      1. 0
        2 February 2020 12: 51
        Because I offered the outstanding shooter from the Tiger of all time to repeat my fantastic result with me, I was forbidden to comment on posts that clearly did not correspond to reality?
  39. 0
    7 February 2020 22: 58
    More trunks are good and different!
  40. -2
    25 February 2020 17: 26
    For some reason, it seems to me that the difference between SVD and UHF (just like a microwave in name ...) is only in price and slightly in ergonomics ... everything else is from Sly ...
  41. 0
    22 December 2023 09: 06
    Its only advantage over the SVD in the eyes of both the manufacturer and the customer is that it is more expensive. This will allow some interested scum and parasites to make good use of the allocated funds, and for others to build an extra yacht and/or a new cottage. Capitalism...
    In general, Grandpa Katz is very pleased as usual.