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Empowerment and prospects of portable anti-tank systems

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Demand for portable and portable anti-tank systems grew last year and continued to grow in the 2019 year, with many countries ordering a variety of systems. Among the most priority areas of development are ammunition and a decrease in the mass of launchers, since the efforts of the developers are aimed at improving the accuracy, range and fire efficiency, as well as the mobility of such systems.


The development of portable systems is largely determined by the growing need for work in settlements or melee conditions, as well as the approaching 2021 year with the removal of the first generation of the widespread anti-tank Javelin FGM-148 from service. In addition, more accurate ammunition with a greater range largely determines the boundaries of research and development activities in the field of man-portable ATGMs.


The American Carl-Gustaf grenade launcher program will increase the range of the actual fire of the M4 variant to 2000 meters

The process of refinement and modernization of ammunition, the creation of new types, as well as the reduction in the mass of sighting and launching equipment (BPPO) units is actively going on, as customers increasingly want smaller launchers that could be deployed in tight spaces.

Smart shot


A consequence of the great demand for increased accuracy and range is, for example, the Carl-Gustaf hand grenade launcher program, which is jointly implemented by Raytheon and Saab. The project is a response to the needs of the American Special Forces Command in a new guided shot for the Carl-Gustaf M4 and MH 84 mm caliber grenade launchers in an effort to increase the capabilities of their weapons for shooting from the shoulder. The Carl-Gustaf Munition semi-active laser homing system, introduced in October 2018 of the year, will increase the effective range of the system to 2000 meters. Demonstration of new technology for a select audience should be held this year. “We want to launch three grenades with semi-active homing at typical ranges,” said Mats Fagerberg of Saab’s US office. In September 2018, the U.S. Army issued a contract for the joint implementation of the project, under which three firing tests were planned for typical targets to be carried out in Sweden in 2020.


Hungarian military with grenade launcher Carl Gustaf M4

The advanced warhead of the grenade is designed to penetrate light armor, fortified shelters and concrete structures while reducing indirect losses. A new long-range grenade will allow firing at targets from buildings or buildings. Thus, it is well suited for close combat and hostilities in the city. According to Fagerberg, this is something that will be in great demand in the future.

Empowerment and prospects of portable anti-tank systems

Israeli multi-functional anti-tank missile system SPIKE LR2

Saab is also developing a “smart” high-explosive fragmentation projectile that will allow full use of the intelligent elements built into the new Saab M4 BPPO version. This will allow the fuse to be programmed wirelessly using data from an integrated fire control system.

As the date of the decommissioning of the obsolete FGM-148 shot-and-forget system, which has been one of the main "workhorses" of the US military for many years, is steadily approaching, Raytheon continues to develop options for the FGM-148F and G with the aim of replace legacy systems. For a model with the G index, cost and weight reduction are just as important as increasing the probability of being hit. An uncooled homing head is installed in the rocket to improve the detection, recognition and identification of targets, as well as reduce the time of damage. The mass is reduced by removing the battery cooling unit and activating it as an external subsystem.

It is assumed that the contract for the production of the warhead will be issued in the 2021 year, which coincides with the timing of the cancellation of the FGM-148. “When Model G arrives in 2021, every single component of the system will be replaced,” said Dean Barten, project manager for melee systems in the US Army. “The entire system will be completely replaced, and although it still bears the name Javelin, it’s not the same Javelin that entered the troops in 1996.”

In addition, in May 2018, the U.S. military signed a contract to supply about 2000 new missiles in option F. This option was developed by Javelin JV, a joint venture of Lockheed Martin and Raytheon. The new universal warhead enhances the capabilities of the Javelin missile system in the fight against unarmored targets without compromising fire efficiency in the fight against traditional armored targets. “This warhead retains its previous firepower when working on armored vehicles, but in addition to this, we have increased power of action in the fight against infantry and unarmored vehicles,” said Barten.

During the tests of the rocket in option F, which took place in the 2016 year, there was no detonation of its warhead, and therefore the development and testing of the rocket at the beginning of the 2017 year were suspended. After the investigation, the tests were resumed in March 2017.

In developing the French Missile Medium Range missile, which is a further development of the Missile Systems MBDA Milan missile, the main focus was also on functional flexibility, low cost and accuracy. The MMP missile system is a response to the needs of the French army's programs - for FELIN combat equipment and for the modernization and integration of Scorpion armored vehicles.

MMR should reduce indirect losses in a complex combat space due to the operator’s work in the control loop and fiber optic channel. In addition, a navigation function is integrated into the rocket, which allows it to aim at a target outside the line of sight. In the modern information-centric space, these opportunities can be expanded by introducing the latest technologies.

As in the case of the Javelin FGM-148F complex, the universal warhead of the MMP missile can operate in two selectable modes: armor-piercing or concrete-slaughter. The developer expects that cost reduction is possible due to integration and excellent practical compatibility with other systems. MMP is only the first missile in the promising MBDA family of ground and air launch missiles. The missiles of the family will have a single-diameter hull and a common architecture that complies with the General Missile Architecture standard, which reduces development risks and minimizes cost.


Complex Javelin FGM-148 in 2021 year will be withdrawn from service. The company is currently working on two new models that will replace this legacy system.


Design impact


As the accuracy of missiles increases, and their radius of action increases, BPPOs are also being improved, especially in terms of reducing weight and improving sighting capabilities. In addition, during development, much attention is paid to lowering the cost of ownership, which is achieved, among other things, by increasing the level of compatibility of various systems, which gives the military additional advantages.

The BPPO of the FGM-148F and FGM-148G systems is being improved. Efforts to reduce weight and use modern technology, such as miniature electronics, are expected to increase the capabilities of missiles on the battlefield.

A Raytheon spokesman noted that the BPPO’s development is aimed at “enhancing capabilities and simplifying logistics ... In the case of light blocks, special attention is paid to reducing physical and cognitive load on the soldier. That’s why we make them easier, more compact and increase the guidance range. ”

As for Saab, the reduction in mass was a result of the reduction in size and the use of new materials. The new version of the Carl-Gustaf M4 grenade launcher began to weigh 7 kg, while the previous version of the MZ weighs 10 kg. According to Fagerberg, this was achieved through "the use of titanium for facing the barrel and the Venturi nozzle (in the previous versions there was steel), as well as the introduction of an improved carbon fiber casing into the design, while the launch tube became shorter." Another difference from the MOH is that the M4 grenade launcher operator can adjust the front handle and shoulder support, as well as carry it charged. Different types of sights are available for the system: mechanical, collimator, telescopic and intelligent.

Saab also hopes to make the Carl-Gustaf M4 more accessible and cost-effective for customers through its “readiness for future programmable ammunition” (several types of shells are being developed), but at the same time maintain full compatibility with existing Carl-Gustaf grenades. The current kit includes four armor-piercing shells, four universal or concrete-piercing shells, three anti-personnel shells, smoke and lighting. In addition, there are two types of 84-mm practical grenades and training ammunition of the 20 mm and 7,62 mm caliber.

“Compatibility with previous versions is an indispensable design parameter, which means that the user can always shoot new ammunition from his launchers. Thus, the user can always upgrade his Carl-Gustaf system for minimal money. ”

- explained Fagerberg.

The increased range and reduced weight are also integral characteristics of the Indian MPATGM ATGM (Man-Portable Antitank Guided Missile). The Indian Defense Research and Development Organization announced the successful test launches of the MPATGM rocket, carried out for the second time in March 2019, at a training ground in the Rajasthan desert. According to the Indian Ministry of Defense, all the tasks set during the tests were completed, the missiles accurately hit the intended targets from different distances.

The flight range of the rocket is from 200 to 2500 meters, it can be fired in the cold start mode from enclosed spaces. The MPATGM complex weighing 14,5 kg is distinguished by a missile with an advanced thermal thermal imaging seeker and an integrated electronic control unit, as well as a removable BPPO.

Saab believes that the renewed emphasis on hostilities in the settlements means that the addition of a guided projectile to Carl-Gustaf's portfolio is completely logical and timely.

“The increased range, precise guidance and firing from a confined space are essential components of the future capabilities of our portable weapons support ”

- said Fagerberg.

A spokesperson for Rafael agreed with this statement:

“There is a great need to increase flight range, increase fire efficiency in the fight against a variety of targets, reduce the weight of the rocket and improve interaction for network-centric combat operations. In addition, users today really want to have a multi-spectral tracking function for their reliable capture, which allows tracking targets simultaneously in the infrared and visible ranges. ”



BPPOs are getting easier as manufacturers begin to use smart materials widely

Tailor-made


Demand over the past year or two for portable weapons systems has grown significantly, as evidenced by the numerous orders placed by the armies of many countries.

The Javelin JV joint venture received a $ 2018 million contract in July 307 to modify its weapons system and sell it to Australia, Estonia, Lithuania, Taiwan, Turkey and Ukraine. In February 2019, the Lithuanian Ministry of Defense announced additional missiles purchased for Javelin anti-tank systems.

In addition, at the end of 2018, Carl-Gustaf grenade launchers were purchased by Latvia and Slovenia, as well as ordered by another unnamed country. At the end of last year, Saab also sold the US Army's Carl-Gustaf M4 grenade launchers worth 19 million dollars. Deliveries of the M4 variant under the designation MZE1 began at the beginning of 2019 and will last three years.

In July 2018, the company also received an order to supply the army with additional AT4 Confined Space Reduced Sensitivity (CS RS) anti-tank systems. “Saab AT4 CS RS is designed primarily for urban environments and the jungle. We believe that in the future the significance of hostilities will only grow. In urban environments, it is imperative to be able to fire from confined spaces, which is why the AT4CS is so popular in the market, ”explained Fagerberg. “The need for even more accurate weapons systems will only grow, not only in order to capture and hit targets at increased ranges, but also to eliminate the risk of indirect losses at short range. Our engineers look at how to improve systems for future combat missions, and increased accuracy is one of the important elements in the development of such systems.

The AT4 disposable light grenade launcher, which is an auxiliary system designed to combat armored targets, is carried on the back of a soldier and, if necessary, can be quickly prepared for firing. In May 2018, the United States also officially approved the sale of 210 missiles and 37 launchers to Ukraine for a total of about 47 million dollars.


Remote-controlled vehicles may become future platforms for anti-tank weapons, as they increase the safety of soldiers and at the same time significantly increase combat effectiveness

Integrated solutions


Equally important is the ease of installation and integration of weapons systems into large platforms, in which the armies of a number of countries have succeeded significantly today.

For example, Javelin systems were installed on the Stryker armored vehicles of the American army. The first batch of Stryker Infantry Carrier Vehicles -Dragoon platforms was delivered to the 2 Reconnaissance Regiment, based in Germany. A company spokesman commented on this: “The manual configuration or the portable configuration of the rocket really does not differ ... this allows you to use the Javelin weapon system in a more flexible form."

In March, Australian Electro Optic Systems (EOS) 2019 introduced its T2000 tower, which was created for the global market and is currently being offered for three programs, one of which is the Australian Land 400 Phase 3.

The tower is equipped with two Rafael Spike LR2 ATGMs in a retractable launcher, which is protected by armor, while Javelin missiles can be installed in it. The Spike LR2 missile, compatible with previous versions, can be equipped with a tandem cumulative warhead, the armor-piercing capabilities of which are increased by more than 30%, or the new universal high-explosive fragmentation warhead with a remote fuse.

“The universal warhead has an intelligent fuse that allows the shooter to select a detonation mode depending on the type of target. This type of projectile includes a leading nose charge capable of breaking through an 20 cm thick reinforced concrete wall. After that, the main warhead flies through the hole and detonates inside the shelter. The shooter can choose an air blast mode to destroy the rebels in the open. In this mode, two warheads detonate at a given point at the same time, forming a large destruction zone on the ground and effectively neutralizing manpower. ”


“The T2000 tower was created from the ground up as a platform designed to support new surveillance, defense and fire-fighting systems that are fully integrated into a single space. The tower, which is the next generation system, is interfaced via a standard interface. ”

- added a representative of EOS.

"EOS will compete with its tower for the needs of Australia and its allies, at the beginning of the 2019 of the year, proposals worth over 700 million dollars were already submitted."


Initially, the tower will be manufactured in Canberra, its production will begin at the end of 2019 year. EOS is currently choosing a site for the new plant among several options, including the states of South Australia and Queensland.

As part of the Australian Land 400 Phase 2 project, the Boxer Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle (CRV) 8x8 will be equipped with Rafael Spike LR ATGMs in addition to Kongsberg weapon modules (vehicles in Block I version) and EOS (vehicles in Block II version) and an active complex protection. “Spike ATGM, like all other subsystems for the Boxer, is undergoing an examination as part of the Land 400 Phase 2 project. These examinations are carried out in accordance with the expectations of the Department of Defense and agreed with the company Rheinmetall schedule, "- said the representative of the Ministry of Defense of Australia. First deliveries are expected in 2020, and their completion in 2026.

ATGM Spike has already been integrated into 45 different platforms. This accumulated data will enable Rafael to assist Rheinmetall and simplify the integration of the Spike LR2 into the Lance Tower. In addition, the Spike LR1 is already integrated and qualified for the Lance turret mounted on the German army's Puma BMP, which will allow for the trouble-free integration of the LR2 missile into the vehicle’s weapons complex.


Apparently, the Rafael Spike LR rocket will soon reveal its potential to the Australian military. ATGM is integrated into the EOS Elbit T2000 tower offered for the Australian Land 400 Phase 3 program

Alternative platforms


As with the Australian Boxer armored vehicle program, the Romanian Ministry of Defense is also looking to increase the firepower of the Piranha V 8x8 wheeled armored vehicle manufactured by General Dynamics European Land Systems. It will be armed with a coaxial 7,62-mm machine gun and a launch container with two ATGMs. However, the Romanian military has not yet chosen their ATGM.

Finally, the Turkish company Roketsan developed the Mizrak-O or OMTAS medium-range anti-tank guided missile in order to meet the needs of the Turkish army in ATGMs, which could be used in a hurry version, as well as launch from a machine. This program is part of the project on a mobile anti-tank complex, which is currently being implemented; Pars 4x4 with Mizrak-O missiles was recently introduced before qualification testing.

Mizrak-O has a valid range from 200 meters to 4 km and can be launched day and night in the following modes: “shot-forgot”, “shot-performed correction”, target capture before launch, target capture after launch, direct attack and attack from above . The tandem warhead is equipped with an infrared homing head and can hit heavily armored vehicles. In urgent operations, a rocket weighing 35 kg is launched from a tripod weighing 36 kg, which includes an aiming module with day and thermal imaging cameras.

In July 2018, Roketsan completed the qualification of the OMTAS missile production line and its readiness for serial production. In January 2019, a contract was announced between Roketsan and Aselsan for the supply of an unnamed number of infrared seekers for OMTAS missiles, scheduled for 2019-2024 years.


Mizrak-O or OMTAS medium-range anti-tank guided missile

In the future, anti-tank systems of this type may well be integrated into uninhabited platforms. For example, at the IDEX 2019 exhibition, Milrem Robotics' THEMIS Remote Controlled Vehicle (DUM) was shown with an IMPACT (Integrated MMP Precision Attack Combat Turret) rig, armed with two fifth-generation MMP missiles and a machine gun. This all closely resembles the situation with the Russian multi-purpose robotic complex Uran-9, designed to carry out counter-terrorism and combat missions. In the basic configuration, the car, introduced in 2016, is equipped with ATRA ATGM.

The advantages of the SUM are obvious - the soldier’s safety is enhanced, since using a wireless and wired connection, it can be deployed from a safe distance. In the THeMIS MMP configuration, the system will have low thermal and acoustic signatures, so the platform can remain invisible during the task. “This combination of the two most modern technologies is a very good demonstration of how in the future robotic armed systems will bring about disintegration on the battlefield and make some traditional technologies obsolete,” said a spokesman for Milrem Robotics.

“Our unmanned combat ground system, developed jointly with MBDA, will be able to very effectively ensure the security of our forces and significantly increase our ability to combat tanksas well as any other ground targets ”,

He added. However, there are currently no customers for the THeMIS armed platform.

As modern armies see uninhabited systems as a means of improving the security of their soldiers and as a factor in increasing combat capabilities, anti-tank guided missiles are likely to have bright prospects and sustainable development in the future.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 6 December 2019 18: 20
    +1
    So it seems that for Karl Gustav a grenade was developed with a combat use range of up to a maximum of 4 kilometers! hi
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 6 December 2019 21: 53
      +2
      then cut the sturgeon ... Where is 4 km from?
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 6 December 2019 18: 35
    +3
    Well, tanks or what they should become, it’s becoming more and more smarter and more secure !!! Otherwise, they will be ousted / swept out of the battlefield altogether.
    The logical development of anti-tank systems, followed by a logical, effective response from tank builders.
    Let's wait and see!
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 6 December 2019 21: 48
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      A logical, effective response from tank builders will follow.

      Laser bully
      As soon as they finish the stable and inexpensive version, they will immediately stop bothering with humanity. The scanning subsystem will detect any sight, binoculars, NVD, TVP within a radius of several km, and the combat subsystem will burn out little eyes, the sights themselves and the GOS on missiles ...
      As soon as they can even raise the power up to 50 kW and put it into the tank, they will be able to hit warheads directly.
      But, nevertheless, I’m wanging - it will not be earlier than in the 40s. While miniaturization does not allow
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 6 December 2019 22: 45
        +4
        Quote: psiho117
        While miniaturization does not allow

        An effective, combat laser, it is primarily a compact, powerful energy installation! That's as soon as so right away ... and in many places.
        1. psiho117
          psiho117 7 December 2019 00: 11
          +6
          The first stage, the so-called Soft-kill does not require a powerful emitter - in fact, the eyes do not need much.
          This is the second stage, Hard-Kill - with direct defeat, requires a minimum of 50kW.
          That's why I say - soon laughing
        2. Genry
          Genry 7 December 2019 11: 03
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          An effective, combat laser, it is primarily a compact, powerful energy installation! That's as soon as so right away ... and in many places.

          And what is a biased view of laser energy?
          If we are talking about a laser power of 100kW, then taking into account the efficiency of 30%, this will result in a 300kW or 400hp engine. Those. such an engine is found in any armored vehicle weighing just over 20 tons. (for nerds: all calculations are accurate "about").
          1. psiho117
            psiho117 8 December 2019 01: 19
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            Quote: Genry
            Those. such an engine is in any armored vehicle weighing just over 20 tons

            Not so simple:
            American HEL-MD - 100kW, truck

            Chinese LW-30 - 100kW, truck

            Russian "Peresvet" - presumably 100-150kW, truck with a trailer wassat


            American ship SSL-TM - 150 kW, the warhead was photographed during transportation - also a truck with a trailer
            1. Genry
              Genry 8 December 2019 15: 44
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              Quote: psiho117
              Not so simple:

              And who said that is simple?
              I just said that fairy tales about energy are a myth!
              In each of your cars, power is supplied either from the main engine or from an additional one, which is clearly expressed as a small unit with enhanced ventilation for cooling.
              But in the ship version, in general, the power is external and is not part of your unit.

              And do not confuse primary power supplies with secondary ones !!!
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 6 December 2019 18: 36
    -3
    The simplest, albeit costly, method of fighting tanks with all of this here is to bombard malo-suspicious places with shells with a programmable detonation. Of course, KAZ, where without it, interaction with reconnaissance and infantry, too, but air-launched shells is an excellent prevention.
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 6 December 2019 19: 20
      +3
      The effectiveness of air blasting is greatly exaggerated, there is a problem of the relationship "accuracy + range + speed" with the "direction of the fragmentation field". The bottom line is that the higher the speed of the projectile (and therefore the accuracy + range), the lower the effectiveness of the fragmentation field, it came to the point that the fragmentation field simply did not touch the soldier in the trench or behind the wall, the fragments flew forward rather than down.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 6 December 2019 19: 25
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        Quote: ProkletyiPirat
        it came to the point that the fragmentation field simply did not touch the fighter in the trench or behind the wall, the fragments flew forward rather than down

        In what century was it? )))
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 6 December 2019 19: 34
          +2
          In the 21st, the last mentions that I personally read belonged to American 20-45mm caliber hand grenade launchers, and European caliber guns up to 80mm. There are even promotional videos on this subject where manufacturers cheat firing from a hill down the trenches, and not vice versa.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 6 December 2019 19: 43
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            Well, I think with an HE shell of 125 mm the result will be better. ) Why wrote about the cost.
        2. Ingenegr
          Ingenegr 6 December 2019 19: 58
          0
          It has always been, and always will be. Hardly anyone will install a "smart" MIT unit in the shell.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 6 December 2019 21: 18
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        Quote: ProkletyiPirat
        there is a problem of dependence "accuracy + range + speed" with "direction of the fragmentation field"

        That is not the problem. I’ll hint: many missiles with fragmentation warheads are very, very fast.

        There is a problem of accuracy. The higher the speed, the higher the dispersion in range with the same fuses.
        But the problem is solved, especially when it comes to large tank shells.
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 6 December 2019 22: 01
          +3
          You first allegedly refuted me, and then you said the same thing as me. you already decide wink
          And what kind of counter missiles are you talking about?
          aviation? - which do not need to hit the target behind cover.
          cassette tapes? - who do not use direct fire
          or what others?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 6 December 2019 22: 12
            +1
            Quote: ProkletyiPirat
            You first allegedly refuted me, and then you said the same thing as me. you already decide

            The fragmentation field efficiency is one thing.
            The accuracy of air-launched shells is completely different.

            Quote: ProkletyiPirat
            And what kind of counter missiles are you talking about?

            For example, about the Pantsir rocket. There, up to 1300 m / s acceleration, as far as I remember. And this is almost twice as much as the initial HE shell of the tank. At the same time, it clearly does not experience problems with fragmentation.
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 6 December 2019 22: 31
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              Quote: Spade
              At the same time, it clearly does not experience problems with fragmentation damage.

              Now, please reread the thread and my previous post, and pay attention to what I wrote about: "shrapnel field and shelters when firing direct fire", not about a spherical horse in a vacuum, not about the field itself, and not even about the effectiveness of detonators. And as I wrote above, a fragmentation field of an anti-aircraft missile does not need to go around an obstacle!
              1. Saxahorse
                Saxahorse 6 December 2019 23: 35
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                Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                I wrote about: "a fragmentation field and shelters when firing direct fire",

                In general, it depends on the location of the finished striking elements. In the diaphragm shrapnel they are in front and spit out in the direction of the projectile. This saves the balls themselves. In a fragmentation mine, on the contrary, on the sides and are sprayed in all directions.

                Again, for firing high-explosive or high-explosive ordnance, there is no need for a high projectile speed.
                1. ProkletyiPirat
                  ProkletyiPirat 7 December 2019 00: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: Saxahorse
                  Again, for firing high-explosive or high-explosive ordnance, there is no need for a high projectile speed.

                  If we are talking about a hinged trajectory, that is, mortars, howitzers, MLRS, cluster (cluster) warhead missiles and bombs, then yes.

                  BUT when it comes to direct fire and defeating the enemy behind cover behind windows, behind fences, in trenches, etc. then high speed is required when firing.
                  1. Saxahorse
                    Saxahorse 7 December 2019 00: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                    BUT when it comes to direct fire and defeating the enemy behind cover behind windows, behind fences, in trenches, etc. then high speed is required when firing.

                    What for? The 100 mm cannon from the BMP-3 combat module has a shell with a tiny sleeve and ballistics from the time of the PMV. But for direct fire at 4 km. this is enough for the eyes. And his fragmentation shell is just excellent, it covers a huge area. Ideal for programmable blasting.
                    1. LastPS
                      LastPS 29 December 2019 11: 34
                      +2
                      Then, that this BMP-3 has such a gun, and most develop such shells for 30-125 mm in which the ballistics is completely different.
              2. Genry
                Genry 7 December 2019 11: 27
                -1
                Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                pay attention to what I wrote about: "shrapnel field and shelters when firing direct fire"

                There are shells with frontal acceleration of fragments (such as shrapnel), and there are shell ruptures, i.e. transverse expansion. In the latter, the angle of movement of the fragments, relative to the trajectory of the projectile, depends on the ratio of the velocities of the projectile and the expansion of the fragments of the shirt. If they are equal, then 45 degrees. But if the expansion of fragments is accelerated due to brisance, then the angle will tend to 90 degrees.
                1. ProkletyiPirat
                  ProkletyiPirat 7 December 2019 15: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Genry
                  But if the expansion of fragments is accelerated due to brisance, then the angle will tend to 90 degrees.

                  This is a passed stage, with an increase in explosives, not fragments, but a shock wave, become the damaging factor. There, the problem was solved only by different laying of fragments like grenades, but this was abandoned in favor of the development of a "controlled fragmentation field" but there information on R&D is classified, and there is nothing in the troops, so there is nothing to judge. (Cluster and anti-aircraft OS , there is a completely different story)
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 7 December 2019 10: 24
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The simplest, albeit costly, method of fighting tanks with all of this here is to bombard malo-suspicious places with shells with a programmable detonation.

      everything is already adjusted
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 7 December 2019 10: 48
        0
        The fuse installer is not manual, but now the 21st century seems to be in the yard. )) What kind of accuracy of blasting can be discussed here.
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 7 December 2019 13: 04
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          The fuse installer is not manual, but now the 21st century seems to be in the yard. )) What kind of accuracy of blasting can be discussed here.

          radius of infantry destruction up to 200 meters.
          in Lebanon, against the representatives of the party with God, it worked fine.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 7 December 2019 13: 13
            0
            What shell is there in the photo, imported 155? It seems the year is indicated, 1968. I am talking about, at least, about Russian tank shells.
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 7 December 2019 15: 43
              +1
              here it is not even "tank - not tank" but "direct fire", and to be exact, it is "direct fire at targets behind cover, bypassing these shelters."
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 7 December 2019 15: 45
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                Something you are complicated, it's about the fight against anti-tank forces by tanks, and what kind of projectile are you of an unknown origin and caliber. So nuclear weapons can be braided, no offense.
                1. ProkletyiPirat
                  ProkletyiPirat 7 December 2019 16: 08
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                  Well, you bent down with nuclear weapons, as you yourself wrote "a speech about the fight against PTS by the forces of the AFV itself" (AFV is an armored combat vehicle - which one (MBT \ BMP \ APC \ ...), one or more of them, this is not so important). It's just that you are initially considering tanks and only tanks, and I am an armored vehicle as a whole.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 7 December 2019 16: 11
                    0
                    In general, you don’t know what kind of projectile they brought, and I’m not interested in armored personnel carriers or armored personnel carriers, the article is not about them.
                    1. Maki Avellevich
                      Maki Avellevich 7 December 2019 17: 03
                      +1
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      In general, you do not know what kind of shell they brought

                      Ammunition type Flachette. Makes hedgehogs from infantry.
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 7 December 2019 17: 06
                        0
                        What shell is there in the photo, imported 155? It seems the year indicated is 1968. ??
                        Obviously not a modern tank, then that with ready-to-use striking elements is already evident.
                  2. ProkletyiPirat
                    ProkletyiPirat 7 December 2019 17: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    In general, you do not know what kind of shell they brought

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  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 6 December 2019 18: 41
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    The future belongs to smart ammunition. When he did not just shoot and forget, but in addition was sure that the projectile could not be confused by all sorts of smoke or fog, and that he would be able to determine, for example, a real tank from several models.
  5. svp67
    svp67 6 December 2019 18: 44
    +4
    The era of such "highly specialized" ATGMs is already coming to an end. The same "Karl Gustov" is already becoming a "jack of all trades", he is "ready to work" for you both in tanks and in infantry. Very soon we will see portable complexes, whose missiles will not only "hunt" for tanks, but also for helicopters and airplanes, and of course for UAVs
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 December 2019 21: 31
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      The same "Karl Gustov" is already becoming a "jack of all trades"

      He was from the beginning.
      As far as I understand, it was created not as an "RPG", that is, anti-tank, but as "pocket artillery" of an infantry squad. And he received fragmentation with smoke ammunition immediately. And the range of use was not originally RPG
      1. psiho117
        psiho117 6 December 2019 21: 51
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        He was from the beginning.
        As far as I understand, it was created not as an "RPG", that is, anti-tank, but as "pocket artillery" of the infantry squad

        This is a banal dynamoreactive weapon, just for shooting from the shoulder wassat
        So the assortment of shells is unlimited.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 6 December 2019 21: 57
          +4
          Quote: psiho117
          So the assortment of shells is unlimited.

          He is not limited to our RPGs.
          However, they have always been viewed as a purely anti-tank weapon. And only "thanks" to the fact that a roast rooster pecked in one place, a splinter and a thermobaric ammunition appeared.
          1. psiho117
            psiho117 6 December 2019 22: 03
            +1
            Well, we have always attached great importance to tanks, as the main means of conducting offensive operations, and RPG as a means of combating them. Apparently, therefore, this focus on exclusively anti-tank use.
            That, however, did not prevent the various Samodelkin from shoving any explosive kaku into the fairing of the RPG-7 grenade, pouring fuel there, etc. And do not care that you can shoot after that only at point blank range bully
        2. Morzh Redkovich Borschitsky
          Morzh Redkovich Borschitsky 27 February 2020 14: 08
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          Quote: psiho117
          dynamoreactive gun

          The Russian genius Kurchevsky would create them for Russia. Like the Russian genius Sikorsky, who was lucky.
      2. Nehist
        Nehist 7 December 2019 02: 07
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        Um ... For that, our good old RPG-7 with new grenades has now become like Gustav the jack of all trades ... One minus and a very significant one is that this is in the huge range of grenades themselves
  6. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 6 December 2019 19: 08
    +3
    Something in this article pays too much attention to the "well-known" "K. Gustav"! With a caliber of 84 mm, calling it a "full-fledged" anti-tank weapon, even with guided grenades, is hardly fair! With the existing "omnivorousness", "K. Gustav" is more correct to refer to "multipurpose infantry weapons" with the ability to hit armored vehicles (not MBT!) ... In Russia, previously there were prerequisites for creating a controlled (adjustable) "relatively relatively" cheap, simple ... and, therefore, mass weapons, incl. and anti-tank ... This refers to the RCIC impulse correction concept paired with a relatively inexpensive seeker! With the "high cost" of "traditional" systems of guidance and control of the flight of ammunition (INS, gyroscopes, control mechanisms for aerodynamic rudders ...) that remained at that time, the RCIC concept could give Russian weapons great advantages over "Western" ones ... for example, in particular , Russia could be the "pioneer" of guided grenade launcher shots. But alas! Something did not "grow together" .. which, however, is quite "typical" for Russian "realities"! They said that it was not possible to create "cheap" GOS ... Now the situation has changed in many respects ... This can be judged even by the "market" of children's toys (electronic) ", filled with a large number of relatively cheap structures containing miniature ANN , miniature gyroscopes, miniature drives ... and even infrared (radio frequency) tracking devices! This suggests the idea of ​​using such massive (and therefore relatively cheap ...) components for the development of mass controlled weapons ... including grenade launchers shots, portable ATGM.
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 6 December 2019 21: 58
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Now the situation has changed a lot ... miniature ANNs, miniature gyroscopes, miniature drives ...

      And all this is not ours, not native, foreign ... Fu, what disgusting thing!
      It should have been its own, condo, GSB Schaub could be unscrewed, and from sling adversary to mug !!!
      Otherwise, we will not do it your nasty 5th generation. And even if the Turks have it, even if this Javelin of yours is already being withdrawn from service - it’s equal, we won’t do this!
  7. sen
    sen 7 December 2019 07: 11
    +2
    And why is Carl-Gustaf better with a laser-guided mortar targeting system that hits the tank in the roof? What frontal armor will the 84mm Carl-Gustaf grenade penetrate?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 7 December 2019 13: 07
      +1
      "guidance of a guided mortar mine," ////
      ----
      The fact that such a mine does not exist.
      There are mortars with accurate guidance on GPS, but
      only for a stationary, stationary target.
      The tank is moving. Only a rocket can hit him from above.
      with a camcorder in the seeker.
      1. sen
        sen 7 December 2019 14: 12
        +2
        81-mm mine "Merlin" with a radar seeker MMV (Great Britain, firing range 4,5 km) and 120-mm mine "Strix" with IR seeker (Sweden, firing range 7,5 km with an additional charge.
        1. sen
          sen 7 December 2019 14: 25
          +3
          Here is an interesting article "Mortars against tanks".
          https://vpk-news.ru/sites/default/files/pdf/issue_44.pdf
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 7 December 2019 21: 59
          +1
          Merlin has GPS.
          Strix really has IR video, which amazed me incredibly.
          A mortar mine flies along a ballistic trajectory. On the stage
          falls on the target can be amended. But where at the time of the shot
          Does the mortar know where the moving tank will be?
          That is, this is shooting in the area with a correction "if you're lucky."
          But GOS with IR video is very expensive! No wonder such
          the patent is not applied anywhere.
          When such a GNS with a scanning video camera is put on an ATGM, then
          you can search and find tanks throughout the missile’s flight area, as if tanks
          maneuvered. With a mortar - this is shooting gold "at random".
          Thanks for the interesting stuff! drinks
          1. sen
            sen 8 December 2019 04: 27
            +1
            No, the Merlin doesn't have a GPS. Read Wikipedia.
            In the UK, a Merlin guided mine was created for 81,2 mm mortars equipped with an autonomous active radar seeker operating in the millimeter range of radio wavelengths. The last mine (“acceptable” passed assessment tests in the USA in 1994) is intended mainly for the destruction of tanks and other armored combat vehicles, both in motion and motionless [107]. On the basis of the GOS of the Merlin mine in France, a guided mine Griffin of a similar purpose was created, but for the 120-mm mortar MO-120-RT-61.

            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Миномёт
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 8 December 2019 11: 36
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              Merlin reached only test trials and was never used in hostilities. A system with active homing radar was expensive and unreliable. All accurate mortars now - with a gps receiver. To hit stationary targets.
          2. psiho117
            psiho117 8 December 2019 06: 32
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            Merlin's GPS

            These mines all come from the 80s, when no one had heard of ZhiPieS and never heard of ...
            I remember about them, as a child, in the Foreign Military Review for 90 years, I read.
            Only ARGSN, only hardcore!
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 8 December 2019 11: 31
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              That's just the point, that from 80-90th.
              Then, laser lights and radar were in fashion.
              They are all now transferred to gps.
  8. Sckepsis
    Sckepsis 13 December 2019 07: 01
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    We will make our products cheaper - for example, we will stick a titanium barrel! Or here's another "sharpening" under the urban battle of the missile (already) with a range of under 2 km liked it. In other words, advertising is advertising.
  9. Morzh Redkovich Borschitsky
    Morzh Redkovich Borschitsky 27 February 2020 14: 04
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    Each infantryman - an ATV, a rocket launcher and an inflatable double to deceive the enemy.