At 76 kilometers. A new record of the range of fire of barrel artillery

At 76 kilometers. A new record of the range of fire of barrel artillery

Artillery mounts at the Alcantpan training ground, photo by defenseweb.co.za


In the 21st century, artillery remains the “god of war”, being the main firearm of the ground forces, which can be equally effectively used both in defense and in offensive. At the same time, progress does not stand still, artillery systems and ammunition are constantly evolving and are still able to surprise. The other day, defenseweb published material on tests conducted in South Africa that set new records for ground-based artillery. During firing at the Alkantpan range in South Africa, it was possible to achieve the maximum firing range with an active-rocket projectile - 76280 meters.

Rheinmetall Denel Munition breaks records


Tests of new artillery ammunition using artillery systems in service were held at the Alkantpan training ground, located in the North Cape of South Africa, on November 6 2019 of the year. The tests in South Africa were attended by representatives of many manufacturers. weapons Western countries, as well as representatives of potential customers. The main goal of tests conducted at the beginning of November in the South African edition of Defense Web is the need to test in practice the capabilities of modern artillery, new shells, missile charges, detonators and detonators.

The tests were organized by Rheinmetall Denel Munition (RDM) in conjunction with subsidiaries Rheinmetall Waffe Munition (RWM), Rheinmetall Norway and Nitrochemie. It is worth noting that RDM is a joint company with 51 percent of the shares owned by the German Rheinmetall and 49 percent owned by the South African Denel. Currently, this company specializes in the design, development and production of medium and large-caliber artillery ammunition families and is one of the world leaders in the development of mortar, artillery and infantry combat systems.


155-mm howitzer Denel G5 and Denel G6 armed forces of South Africa

RDM CEO Jan-Patrick Helmsen, welcoming all test participants, noted that, as a former combat officer, he perfectly understands the importance of developing modern artillery, improving the accuracy, safety and effectiveness of its firing. Jan-Patrick Helmsen noted that artillery is still an important weapon to support ground forces in both offensive and defense. At the same time, artillery shells and the installations themselves are cheaper than rocket weapons or air support for troops. An important advantage of artillery is that it can be easily deployed on the ground and used 24 hours a day, ensuring the destruction of enemy targets and objects outside the line of sight within the effective firing range. At the same time, the general director of RDM noted that in recent years there has been a growing demand for weapons capable of hitting enemy targets at a great distance, and the capabilities of modern barrel artillery are limited. Therefore, it is so important to develop the receiver systems in terms of increasing the firing range, which was demonstrated during tests conducted at the Alkantpan training ground.

Test results for new 155 mm ammunition


In addition to the new artillery ammunition, the RDM representatives involved the following artillery systems for tests: a wheeled self-propelled 155-mm howitzer made in South Africa with a barrel length of 6 caliber, a towed 52-mm howitzer with guns made in Denel G155 with a barrel length of 5non launcher made in 39non launcher caliber mm German self-propelled howitzer PzH 155 with barrel length 2000 caliber. An important difference between these systems of one caliber in addition to the barrel length is the size of the charging chamber. So for a towed howitzer Denel G52 it is 5 liters, for a German self-propelled gun PzH 18 - 2000 liters, and for a South African wheeled self-propelled gun Denel G23 - 6 liters. Also used in the tests was the 25-mm mortar system MWS120 Ragnarok of Norwegian production by Rheinmetall Norway. This installation is designed to be placed on the chassis of various armored vehicles. The firing results of this system were not made public.

When firing used ammunition manufactured by Rheinmetall Denel Munition and Rheinmetall Waffe Munition. The first to be tested was an 155-mm high-explosive fragmentation projectile with a narrowed bottom of the RWM DM121 BT (Boat Tail). The towed howitzer Denel G5 showed the result of the 29171 meter, and the German monitors polygon installation PzH 2000 - 35882 meters. Both systems used the same full charge. It is worth noting that the Alkantpan training ground is equipped with a developed telemetry system, and tracking radar is also responsible for the accuracy of determining the distances reached by ammunition. At the same time, control of the test was provided by local and international military observers and representatives of defense industry enterprises, the official website of the RDM company notes. The PzH 2000 polygon firing range was also used for firing a serial projectile with the Assegai M0121 IHE BB bottom gas generator, which provided the maximum range of target destruction - 47374 meters.


155 mm RDM M2005A1 V-LAP projectile

But of greatest interest to observers and experts was the new active-reactive ammunition manufactured by Rheinmetall Denel Munition. To conduct these tests, the representatives of the landfill had to negotiate with local farmers, since the boundaries of the landfill are limited, and the range of the new projectiles significantly extends beyond it. At the same time, demonstration firing with new active-reactive shells was carried out only using training (inert) ammunition.

Among others, they tested the mass-produced 155-mm active-rocket projectile with a bottom gas generator RDM M2005 Velocity Enhanced Artillery Projectile (V-LAP), which the manufacturing company calls today the most long-range projectile of all on the planet. Even when used with a towed howitzer G5 with not the largest barrel length of 39 calibers, the firing range of the projectile is very significant - 53 917 meters. With more advanced artillery systems, new shells were tested. For example, the Assegai M155 V-LAP projectile fired from an 2000-mm howitzer PzH 2005 launcher was overcome by 66 943 meters. And the new RDM M9703 V-LAP ammunition, which represents the further development of the previous Assegai M2005 shell and built in the same way, when firing from the G6-52 with a camera volume of 25 liters and the highest possible powder charge, showed an absolute record of firing range - 76280 meters.

According to the results of the demonstration firing conducted on November 6 on November 2019, the head of the RDM development department, Rod Keyser, expressed great pleasure, noting that even more impressive performance could have been achieved at the Alkantpan training ground if the testers were lucky with the headwind and crosswind speed. According to the representative of RDM, under favorable weather conditions one could count on the fact that the new M9703 V-LAP projectile could be sent to a range of approximately 80 kilometers. In the meantime, we can state the fact that the combination of German industrial and financial capabilities with South African technologies allowed companies to achieve a significant increase in the range, efficiency and accuracy of firing using classical barrel artillery.

Used artillery systems


During the tests, both the towed Denel G5 howitzer was used, the closest domestic analogue of which is the towed 152-mm howitzer MSTA-B, and the most modern examples of self-propelled artillery equipment - Denel G6 and PzH 2000. They should not compete with the Soviet / Russian 152-mm self-propelled guns MSTA-S with a barrel length of 47 calibers, but the more advanced Russian system Coalition-SV, which received a new 152-mm gun 2A88 with a barrel length of 52 caliber and an updated mechanism loading, which provides the installation of maximum rate of fire - up to 16 rounds per minute.


German 155 mm SPG PzH 2000 fires

South African self-propelled guns G6 "Rhino" (Rhino) is one of the best weapons that are manufactured today in South Africa, and one of the best artillery systems in the world. Self-propelled howitzer is in service with South Africa, and is also exported. The operators of this artillery system are the armies of the UAE and Oman. Built on the basis of an armored wheeled chassis with the 6x6 wheel arrangement, the self-propelled guns have been serially produced by the South African defense industry since the 1988 of the year. In the testing range for the new ammunition, one of the latest G6-52 howitzer modernizations, first shown in the 2003 year, was used. This installation is distinguished by a new gun with a barrel length of 52 caliber (previously 45 caliber). At the same time, versions with two charging cameras are available: the “JBMOU” version - 23 liters and “Extended Range” - 25 liters, which differ in different firing ranges of basic ammunition.

The German SPG PzH 2000 also belongs to the best representatives of its class and is actively exported to different countries of the world. The artillery mount created in 1998, like the latest Denel G6-52 model, is distinguished by the presence of a barrel of 52 caliber length and an automatic loading system, which provides the installation with high rate of fire and the ability to suppress targets in the “fire barrage” mode with one gun, sending one target to 5 shells flying along different trajectories. In addition to the German army, this self-propelled howitzer is in service with the armies of Italy, Greece, the Netherlands, Croatia, and Qatar. The closest operator of these howitzers for Russia is the Lithuanian army, which in 2015 acquired the 21 self-propelled gun PzH 2000 from the Bundeswehr. 16 howitzers are used by the Lithuanian army as linear, two as training vehicles, and three more as a source of spare parts.
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  1. YOUR 21 November 2019 06: 06 New
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    The PzH 2000 polygon firing range was also used for firing with a serial projectile with a bottom gas generator Assegai M0121 IHE BB, which provided a maximum range of target destruction - 47374 meters.
    A mistake has been made. Not the maximum range of the target, but the maximum range. At such a range, target destruction is possible only with a guided projectile, as well as accurate target shooting like a city.
    1. Amateur 21 November 2019 07: 44 New
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      And how many shots will the trunk of this prodigy sustain?
      1. SovAr238A 21 November 2019 20: 38 New
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        Quote: Amateur
        And how many shots will the trunk of this prodigy sustain?

        900 - conventional ammunition.
        250 - super long range.
        1. Rzzz 21 November 2019 22: 14 New
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          This is at the training ground. In a real mess, this food will be covered after a dozen shots, if not on the way to the position.
          1. SovAr238A 21 November 2019 22: 44 New
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            Quote: rzzz
            This is at the training ground. In a real mess, this food will be covered after a dozen shots, if not on the way to the position.

            who will cover it?

            Have you seen the range of the radar counter-firing ???
            not?
            go and learn the materiel, so as not to stupid ..
            1. Rzzz 21 November 2019 23: 22 New
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              In addition to the radar counter-battery, there are no other ways? Broaden your horizons or something, or else they are obsessed with one piece of equipment.
    2. Undecim 21 November 2019 11: 26 New
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      A mistake has been made. Not the maximum range of the target, but the maximum range.
      There is no mistake. For the Assegai M2005 HE V-LAP shells, the task was precisely to hit the target.
      The Assegai M2005 HE V-LAP projectile when firing from a G6 howitzer hit the target at a distance of 66 meters. Moreover, the presence of a large number of observers, including those from competing firms, excludes falsification.
      But the M9703 V-LAP projectile was fired simply at maximum range and got a record for 155 mm artillery systems when firing with an active-reactive projectile.
      As for the dispersion ellipse, for these shells it is an average of 0,6% in range and 0,15% in azimuth when firing from a G6 howitzer.
      That is, when shooting at 66 meters, we get a dispersion ellipse of 943 per 400 meters.
      The best achievement is 0,32% and 0,1%.
      1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 11: 45 New
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        Quote: Undecim
        we get a dispersion ellipse of 400 per 100 meters.

        50% of the shells will fly into this ellipse. It's a lot.
        1. g_g2008 21 November 2019 14: 44 New
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          not 50 but 100% of the shells will fly into this ellipse. it is a scattering ellipse and not a circular probable deviation
          1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 14: 50 New
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            Quote: g_g2008
            it is a scattering ellipse and not a circular probable deviation

            Exactly.
            QUO is the radius of the circle.
            And here is an ellipse with Vd and Vb. as half shafts. The indicated 50% of the shells fly into this ellipse just the same.
        2. Undecim 21 November 2019 21: 57 New
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          100% of the shells fly into the ellipse. And 50% is half the ellipse.
          The mean deviation is called half the length of the section, symmetrical with respect to the center of dispersion, the probability of falling into which a random variable is 50%.
          1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 22: 43 New
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            Quote: Undecim
            100% of the shells fly into the ellipse. And 50% is half the ellipse.

            8)))))
            1. Undecim 21 November 2019 23: 51 New
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              As I understand it, you have admitted your mistake with this drawing.
              25+25+16+16+7+7+2+2=100.
              1. Undecim 22 November 2019 00: 30 New
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                You know, Lopatov, I must admit that I was mistaken, publicly, so to speak, to repent. I decided to clarify, just in case, I looked at Denel's prospectus, and there it is not just written in black and white
                dispersion area, and Dispersion: PE.

                This fundamentally changes the matter, since this PE - probable error is the same as our mean deviation.
                So your comment is absolutely correct. And I was once again convinced that the information should be constantly checked.
      2. YOUR 21 November 2019 12: 14 New
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        Quote: Undecim
        There is no mistake. For the Assegai M2005 HE V-LAP shells, the task was precisely to hit the target.

        Still used to know the size of the target. Targeted shooting at such distances is very, very difficult. You have to consider too many factors. Starting from air density at various heights, wind, temperature, humidity, etc. etc. and the rotation of the earth. The last point is one of the most difficult. Where is the gun at what angle to the axis of rotation, in which direction the shot is fired. If you are an artilleryman then I tell you common truths.
        This shell is uncorrectable.
        That is, we go back to the size of the target.
        1. Undecim 21 November 2019 12: 46 New
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          I specifically indicated the parameters of the scattering ellipse. Naturally, we are talking about the defeat of area targets comparable to the indicated ellipse - airfields, railway stations, places of deployment and concentration of troops, etc.
          1. YOUR 21 November 2019 12: 49 New
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            Those. went back to my first comment.
            1. Undecim 21 November 2019 13: 04 New
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              Do you think the city has dimensions of 400 x 100 m? Look at the instructions on the type and nature of the goals and conditions and objectives of the shooting and you will understand that your comment is about nothing.
              1. YOUR 21 November 2019 13: 38 New
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                You don’t have to understand everything so literally.
                1. Undecim 21 November 2019 13: 45 New
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                  In relation to the technical issues of allegory, allegory and other poetic techniques it is better not to apply.
            2. Megarussian 21 November 2019 13: 08 New
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              Why don't you admit that you were wrong?
              1. Undecim 21 November 2019 13: 13 New
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                Who are you?
                1. Geo⁣ 21 November 2019 14: 57 New
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                  By clicking on the arrow to the right of the time the comment was published, you will find out, the feed will scroll to the comment to which there was a response and 2 arrows will appear on it right away
                  1. Undecim 21 November 2019 15: 11 New
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                    Thanks, convenient feature.
                  2. Spambox 21 November 2019 18: 11 New
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                    Live and learn) hi
              2. YOUR 21 November 2019 13: 43 New
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                If you so want to find the guilty, then specify what exactly I'm wrong
                1. Undecim 21 November 2019 14: 08 New
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                  Search guilty on the site - the prerogative of the moderators. I do not belong to this category.
                  You wrote a comment that does not correspond to the real state of the issue, judging by your reaction - due to the lack of competence and information. Given that they will read it, I supplemented the information. The prospect of discussion or enlightenment does not appeal to me, therefore, determine your own wrongness, if you wish, yourself. All the best.
                  1. YOUR 22 November 2019 05: 42 New
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                    Cool. Like in a joke. While the wife was washing, she asked something, she answered in general, she came out already divorced.
              3. Lopatov 21 November 2019 15: 26 New
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                Quote: Megarussian
                Why don't you admit that you were wrong?

                Why would he admit it? If he is right.
          2. Lopatov 21 November 2019 15: 01 New
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            Quote: YOUR
            You have to consider too many factors. Starting from air density at various heights, wind, temperature, humidity, etc. etc. and the rotation of the earth.

            Quote: Undecim
            I specifically indicated the parameters of the scattering ellipse.

            The scattering ellipse does not account for aiming errors.
            That is, in fact, the accuracy is even lower.
        2. Lopatov 21 November 2019 14: 53 New
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          The last point is one of the most difficult

          ??
          There is nothing complicated there. On the contrary, one of the simplest amendments.
          1. YOUR 22 November 2019 05: 46 New
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            Quite possible. I had more to do with guided weapons.
    3. KrokodilGena 21 November 2019 20: 54 New
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      At such a range, target destruction is possible only with a guided projectile, as well as accurate target shooting like a city.

      Howitzers, or mortars, have a maximum firing range, it is also aimed. Another thing is anti-tank fluffs, or tank ones, they have as much as possible aimed, effective, until the shell is gone. Accuracy (without laser light, purely by coordinates) of the German SAO Pzh2000, according to the manufacturer, or the Bundeswehr 1m per 1 km, that is, at maximum speed with standard projectiles, up to 40km, the deviation is maximum 40m.
  2. yuliatreb 21 November 2019 06: 11 New
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    2С35 “Coalition-SV”, how, where and with whom it will compete if only the experimental batch of this artillery complex has been released so far. And how it all began fabulously, and only now it is planned to adopt the complex into service, the keyword is planned. The success of South Africans in this area is simply impressive.
    1. Cruorvult 21 November 2019 06: 55 New
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      And what is the difference? The Germans were hollowing for 68 km about 15 years ago, although this projectile didn’t hit anyone, because the warhead is smaller, the farther it flies, the greater the deviation. Modern MLRS cover these ranges.
      1. Geo⁣ 21 November 2019 15: 02 New
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        Quote: CruorVult
        MLRS cover these ranges.

        Howitzer shot cheaper
        1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 15: 13 New
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          Quote: Geo⁣
          Quote: CruorVult
          MLRS cover these ranges.

          Howitzer shot cheaper

          Is not a fact. Even without taking into account “depreciation”, the cost of a 152-mm round is approximately at the level of a “Grad” rocket projectile.
          1. SovAr238A 21 November 2019 20: 45 New
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            Is not a fact. Even without taking into account “depreciation”, the cost of a 152-mm round is approximately at the level of a “Grad” rocket projectile.

            But the Hurricane is not Grad ... and the cost of its NURS is almost quadratic in size of the cost of the Grad ...
            Grad the cost of a projectile with a radio fuse comes to 100 thousand rubles.
            And to the Hurricane - almost 460 thousand rubles ...
            1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 20: 50 New
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              Quote: SovAr238A
              Grad cost of a projectile with a radio fuse

              And the lion's share is the cost of the radio fuse itself. In fact, a one-time radar altimeter.

              Quote: SovAr238A
              But a hurricane is not a city

              And where does the "Hurricane"?
              1. SovAr238A 21 November 2019 22: 35 New
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                Quote: Spade

                And where does the "Hurricane"?

                \
                Just a firing range ...
                1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 22: 40 New
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                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  Just a firing range ...

                  What side is she here?
                  1. SovAr238A 21 November 2019 22: 48 New
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                    Quote: Spade
                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    Just a firing range ...

                    What side is she here?

                    Do you want to bring down 70 km from Grad?
                    And so that its cost would be equal to 79 km - Lopatov, you respected me very much, like a real gunner, but you were the first to compare the 155 and 122 mm cannon from Grad ...
                    1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 23: 04 New
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                      Quote: SovAr238A
                      Do you want to bring down 70 km from Grad?

                      We are discussing what is cheaper, "howitzer or RS shot" Cost is about the same.
                      Well, if you ask the question, which is cheaper, complete the fire mission with a super-duper shell for a 152/155 howitzer or Hurricane. I definitely put on the "Hurricane"
                      Because it is necessary to take into account not the cost of one projectile / RS, but the cost of a volley.
                      For example, it is a railway station located openly. For example, in the area of ​​concentration 200x200. 100 152-mm shells, or 80 203-mm shells, or 28 "hurricane" RSs Think for yourself ... With cluster cassettes even worse.
                      1. Geo⁣ 22 November 2019 18: 22 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        it is necessary to consider not the cost of one projectile / RS, but the cost of a salvo

                        A volley is not always needed.
                        And further, logistics with a howitzer is simpler (and cheaper). It is one thing to deliver (and then store) charges to howitzers, say, in Syria, and quite another to Hurricane. The same is true for short distances - the hurricane needs a special charging machine, the howitzer - no. If there is any indicator on the maximum number of shots, say, per day - then the Hurricane here clearly loses (well, if it is serviced by a regular number of charging machines).
                        Something like that.
                      2. Lopatov 22 November 2019 18: 47 New
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                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        A volley is not always needed.

                        Yeah. Often need a lot of volleys

                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        If there is any indicator for the maximum
                        He wins by a huge margin. The number of shots, say, per day - then the Hurricane is clearly losing

                        Per day?
                        The D-20 howitzer per day of continuous shooting can shoot 1125 shells. "Hurricane" - 1536 RS
                      3. Geo⁣ 22 November 2019 23: 52 New
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                        "Hurricane" - 1536 RS

                        Devastating 96 TZM? Then she needs to shoot straight “from the porch” of the ammunition depot, or, at last, from the territory of the railway station in order to promptly adjust the trains with RS to it.
                      4. Lopatov 23 November 2019 11: 33 New
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                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        Devastating 96 TZM?

                        No, two. 8)))
                        TZM are designed to accelerate loading. And you can and should carry PCs in capping on ordinary cars. And overload on TZM in the field. In any clearing.
                      5. Geo⁣ 24 November 2019 21: 21 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        No two

                        You drank a liter with a creature, using 2 glasses for this - will you say that only 2 glasses were emptied?

                        Quote: Spade
                        on ordinary cars

                        In this case, “on ordinary” echelons.
                      6. Lopatov 24 November 2019 22: 08 New
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                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        You drank a liter with a creature, using 2 glasses for this - will you say that only 2 glasses were emptied?

                        You will argue that in order to drink a bottle of vodka, you need at least twenty fifty grams of glasses?

                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        In this case, “on ordinary” echelons.

                        In this case, on ordinary KamAZ trucks
                      7. Geo⁣ 25 November 2019 05: 34 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        do you need at least twenty fifty-gram glasses?

                        Empty at least twenty fifty-gram glasses.

                        Quote: Spade
                        on ordinary on-board KamAZ trucks

                        Why are there so many Kamazes in providing the 1st installation?
                      8. Lopatov 25 November 2019 10: 30 New
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                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        Empty at least twenty fifty-gram glasses.

                        But one shot is enough.

                        Quote: Geo⁣
                        Why are there so many Kamazes in providing the 1st installation?

                        Transport brigades, Central transportation ...
            2. Geo⁣ 23 November 2019 00: 10 New
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              Quote: Spade
              Howitzer D-20

              Take the Tsar Cannon. We also do not use it now, but it seems to be in storage)).
              Based on the fact that the D-20 per minute has a rate of 4 times less than the same revenge, which is not the last word in technology, it can be assumed that the normal (not the most modern) howitzer of our days can be 2 to 3 times more shoot shells per day than Hurricane (to which at the same time there are also a number of trains with shells, completely unmasking its position laughing ).

              If we think about logistics, by the way, it becomes clear why the US army, sharpened by the "colonial" wars (which means that the war is far from its depots laughing ), relies on the barrel artillery, and not on the RSZO
            3. Lopatov 23 November 2019 12: 08 New
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              Quote: Geo⁣
              Based on the fact that the d-20 per minute has a rate of 4 times less than the same place

              8)))))
              And here is the rate of fire? It's about the fire mode. The maximum rate of fire can be achieved in short fire raids. Otherwise, you don’t have to shoot for days, but re-shoot the guns.
              Why D-20? Because it was easier to find a fire regime. But its short, heavy trunk is clearly better able to withstand prolonged firing. That is, for 2A65, the "daily shot" will be even less.

              Quote: Geo⁣
              U.S. Army ............ relies on barrel artillery

              laughing laughing laughing
              Makes a bet ???
              She relies on aviation. They have an order of magnitude less artillery than, for example, Russia.
            4. Geo⁣ 24 November 2019 19: 51 New
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              Quote: Spade
              And here is the rate of fire?

              Well, if the gun is capable of maintaining a higher rate of fire (4 times) for short periods of time - this will inevitably affect longer periods.

              Quote: Spade
              Makes a bet ???
              She relies on aviation.

              Then - on economic pressure and color revolutions.
              But if we don’t spread the idea on the tree, then we can recall that we had in mind the rate between the receiver and the MLRS.
            5. Lopatov 24 November 2019 21: 58 New
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              Quote: Geo⁣
              Well, if the gun is capable of maintaining a higher rate of fire (4 times) for short periods of time - this will inevitably affect longer periods.

              No effect.

              Quote: Geo⁣
              Then - on economic pressure and color revolutions.

              Uh ... And this is from which side?
              There are no economic squadrons or color revolutionaries in the American division. But the army aviation brigade is. Normal, not trimmed, constantly improved.
            6. Geo⁣ 25 November 2019 05: 32 New
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              Quote: Spade
              In the American division

              Do you consider the American division the only instrument in colonial wars? Fairly near judgment. Remember the same Ukraine — to whom did it surrender: divisions or a bunch of US political analysts? In any case, this branch of the conversation is just a call not to spread the thought through the tree. How else to say something more direct?

              Quote: Spade
              No effect.

              Not set off
            7. Lopatov 25 November 2019 10: 56 New
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              Quote: Geo⁣
              Do you consider the American division the only instrument in colonial wars? Fairly near judgment.

              Well, that's it, thoughts about. We are discussing something completely different. And so such frank attempts to translate the conversation to abstract topics do not look very smart.

              Quote: Geo⁣
              Not set off

              For those who didn’t understand that the barrel heats up when shooting, it’s really “not an offset” laughing laughing laughing

              Question for backfilling: why at a maximum rate of 6 rounds per minute, the D-20 in two hours can shoot no more than 135 shells when firing at full and first charges?
            8. Geo⁣ 25 November 2019 12: 02 New
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              Quote: Spade
              so frank attempts to translate the conversation to abstract topics do not look very smart.

              Have you ever read One Who Sits in a Pond? laughing
              I exaggerated your attempt to translate the topic, so that you would be ashamed, and when you saw, in fact, your reflection, you began to scold him stupidly)))). This is just a song.

              Quote: Spade
              who didn’t understand that the barrel heats up when shooting

              You repeat for the tenth time)). This will not change anything anyway - the daily rate of fire (let's call it that) will continue to be directly proportional not only to the resistance of the barrel to heat (and I say that it’s not so much), but also to the rate of fire of the gun at short time intervals. It would also be nice to take into account the time spent on replacing the barrel, etc. - but that’s all the lyrics.

              You, as I understand it, are a former artilleryman. But instead of adequately weighing the factors known to you, you are frankly juggling. I remind you that it’s good to use your knowledge and experience so that truth is born in a dispute, and drowning for an incorrectly made assumption initially, looking for some self-affirmation in a dispute is bad (and it turns out that you don’t get it) .
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              Quote: Geo⁣
              I exaggerated your attempt to translate the topic

              Ah, there it is ....
              It turns out that this nonsense is called "exaggeration" ... Now I understand. And all this in order to justify your blunder about "relies on the barrel artillery, and not on the RSZO"? You recall that at the time it was the MLRS "killed" the American long-range large-caliber artillery?

              Quote: Geo⁣
              the daily rate of fire (let's call it that) will continue to be directly proportional not only to the resistance of the barrel to heat

              Only resistance to heat. That is why on modern self-propelled guns like “Vienna” or “Coalition-SV” they bother with the barrel cooling system.
              As far as I remember, after two hours of continuous firing, the 2C19 can “give out” no more than 70 rounds per hour.


              Quote: Geo⁣
              You, as I understand it, are a former artilleryman. But instead of adequately weighing the factors known to you, you are frankly juggling. I remind you that it’s good to use your knowledge and experience so that truth is born in a dispute, and drowning for an incorrectly made assumption initially, looking for some self-affirmation in a dispute is bad (and it turns out that you don’t get it) .

              So many words, and nothing ... Verbal ballast, white noise.
            10. Geo⁣ 25 November 2019 12: 29 New
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              Quote: Spade
              this nonsense

              "this nonsense" is your attempt to expand the dispute about the RSZO and howitzers to aviation.

              Quote: Spade
              Your blooper

              A little earlier in the topic, one type wrote:
              Quote: Spade
              They do not have MLRS.

              more...
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              after two hours of continuous firing, the 2S19 can “issue” no more than 70 rounds per hour

              those. as much as d-20 at the very beginning. In such a situation - definitely 2C19 will give more than d-20, and possibly more than a hurricane.

              Quote: Spade
              So many words and nothing

              And I tried to formulate it so as not to offend you. Not really, I agree, it worked out. It’s hard to be polite with a man openly fooling around
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              Quote: Geo⁣
              "this nonsense" is your attempt to expand the dispute about the RSZO and howitzers to aviation.

              Mention of aviation is a reaction to nonsense about allegedly "rate". For there is a reinforced concrete fact: the Americans have barrel artillery in the pen.
              From artillery brigades of divisional submission, the barrel artillery was removed. As with all other levels. She remained only at the brigade level. One division each. That is, one battery per combined arms battalion.
              Yes, and there everything is very bad.
              58 brigades with NG. That is 58 artillery barrel divisions. 174 receiver batteries. Of these, only 48 are self-propelled. Of the remaining 126 towed batteries, at least 66 batteries (i.e. more than half) are equipped with another 105 mm guns. (in fact, not all NG brigades received 155 axle boxes. 105 mm howitzers in one of the three batteries of the division)
              And where is it, damn it. "rate"?????

              The bet on aviation is clearly visible. The rate on mortars is observed and means of fire support direct fire. The bet on the gradual abandonment of MLRS with their transformation into universal launchers for guided tactical, operational tactical and anti-aircraft missiles is also observed
              But the rate on the barrel artillery is not visible exactly. She is in the deepest pen.


              Quote: Geo⁣
              those. as much as d-20 at the very beginning.

              "At the very beginning" is 135 shots in two hours?

              Once again, exclusively heating and nothing more. Barrel, anti-recoil, charging chamber with a cap or module loading.
              The combat or technical rate of fire during prolonged firing does not matter at all (it is of some importance only for short firing raids). As well as the level of gas contamination of the combat compartment of self-propelled guns (it matters at medium periods of firing duration and intensity).

              So when "shooting for days" MLRS clearly in the first place. Even if you do not take into account the "weight of volley" Their thin-walled guides have time to cool.

              By the way, the American MLRS for loading and starting 12 PCs takes 6 minutes: 5 loading, a minute for guidance and start.
              Total 120 per hour, 2880 per day. Without any TZM



              Quote: Geo⁣
              And I tried to formulate it so as not to offend you. Not really, I agree, it worked out. It’s hard to be polite with a man openly fooling around

              No.
              It’s just that you don’t have any arguments left, and you switched to a topic that is more interesting for you — discussing me. But she is not interesting to me. I have something to say on the main topic, without turning to the individual and not arranging a crutch in the style of youngsters.
  • Igor K 13 December 2019 13: 21 New
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    To be objective in judgments, you need to add the cost of the barrel divided by the number of shots plus the cost of replacing the barrel and replacing the gun with another for this period to the cost of the artillery shell, that is, in fact the cost of the second installation in the temporary shoulder of operation.
  • Rzzz 21 November 2019 22: 17 New
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    But the car itself is cheaper, simpler and more mobile.
  • Lopatov 21 November 2019 09: 59 New
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    And how it all began fabulously, and only now it is planned to adopt the complex into service, the keyword is planned.

    And you thought that riveting so many new ammunition is an instant thing?

    I recall that in adopting the Coalition-SV, the main problem is not the self-propelled guns themselves, but their ammunition. Rather, this is not a problem but a complex of problems.
  • nemoXX 21 November 2019 12: 03 New
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    I watched somehow the story of a Russian officer about the war in Angola against the Yuarovites.
    Already at the end of the last century, he was seriously impressed by the use of the G5.
    According to him, the only shell for dozens of kilometers was destroyed by his UAZ with a failed engine in the complete absence of a visible enemy in the savannah, perfectly visible to the horizon.
    The military also praised their SLAs, called "simple and very effective."
    1. g_g2008 21 November 2019 14: 48 New
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      astounding. But in my opinion, the probability of an UAZ officer selling to natives is much higher than the probability of being hit by a howitzer shell from a distance of tens of kilometers ...
      1. SovAr238A 21 November 2019 20: 49 New
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        Quote: g_g2008
        astounding. But in my opinion, the probability of an UAZ officer selling to natives is much higher than the probability of being hit by a howitzer shell from a distance of tens of kilometers ...

        I was always surprised by such passages of people who grew up in the outback, but who believed that in the Arabian deserts, or in the African savannahs, it was so easy to agree "with one officer" ... who was watched by dozens of people ...

        Better delete your post - you will just be more honest ...
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          Happened to be in Angola. I will say this, in the above, the author is more likely right than wrong! There, not only UAZs could sell ... Heh!
  • Same lech 21 November 2019 06: 28 New
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    Actually, in Syria, our MTRs used artillery with guided projectiles against ISIS fighters and quite successfully ... sorry to close this channel of information.
    It is interesting how targeting of moving targets will be organized at such long distances ... for example, carts of militants.
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      No way .... only stationary targets.
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        Quote: Zaurbek
        No way .... only stationary targets.

        If necessary, the Italian-German UAS "Vulkano" is planned to put a "semi-active laser or passive infrared seeker" in addition to the ANS-ZhPS "autopilot"
        1. Zaurbek 21 November 2019 11: 12 New
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          The projectile is limited in caliber and size ... it is difficult to increase the seeker
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            Nonetheless. they are.
    2. SovAr238A 21 November 2019 20: 55 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      Actually, in Syria, our MTRs used artillery with guided projectiles against ISIS fighters and quite successfully ... sorry to close this channel of information.
      It is interesting how targeting of moving targets will be organized at such long distances ... for example, carts of militants.


      and the victims, among the advanced gunners - do not talk about anything?
      Alexander Prokhorenko - no?
      don't remember that?

      High-altitude UAVs, which are already in service with the adversary for 20-25 years, can lead a horse. carts and stuff ...


      But, for this you need a well-functioning structure of communication satellites. equipped with really high-speed channels, the aviation industry. which will be able to make many unmanned UAVs
      An industry capable of making microprocessors and other IT systems.
      And trained operators in all of the above systems.

      Attention question.

      Why do they have - for target designation. including and laser used UAV?

      And we have advanced aircraft manufacturers ...
      1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 22: 48 New
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        Quote: SovAr238A
        Why do they have - for target designation. including and laser used UAV?
        And we have advanced aircraft manufacturers ...

        They too. Moreover, they have a lot of advanced aviation gunners, as well as advanced artillery spotters, than ours.
  • Simargl 21 November 2019 06: 46 New
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    A new record of the range of fire of the barrel artillery
    "Colossal" is no longer barrel?
    1. Romka47 21 November 2019 15: 01 New
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      In the article, they changed a little, for 155 mm. .
  • vadimtt 21 November 2019 07: 18 New
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    Not bad, in caliber 155 it shoots our 203-mm Peony almost one and a half times.
    I wonder how with the trunk resource.
    Here's how South Africa was able to in such technology? Although, these are the same Germans. But sooner or later blacks will get to the military-industrial complex and South Africa will not have such technologies bully
    I saw several reports that farmers flee from South Africa to Krasnodar. If only the African military-industrial complex escaped to us wassat But this is unlikely, the unspoken comcon does not doze off.
    1. Misak Hananyan 21 November 2019 08: 33 New
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      This is the brainchild of Bull, not South Africa
    2. novel66 21 November 2019 08: 37 New
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      But the point is to shoot with such high-tech (read expensive) bullets, if there is explosives, read, there is nothing left? Well, he’ll fly, well, he’ll surprise, we can, he will kill someone with a direct hit ...
      1. Undecim 21 November 2019 11: 32 New
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        Explosives there are 8,2 - 8,6 kilograms. For comparison, OF-29 "Hyacinth" - 6,8 kg.
    3. Zaurbek 21 November 2019 11: 13 New
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      And 203mm, what range reserve? 150km?
      1. dvina71 21 November 2019 13: 13 New
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        And 203mm, what range reserve? 150km?

        What's the point? All that further than 40 km falls under the MLRS .. and they already have unit-adjusted rockets now ... and they were in the USSR. The value of artillery is high accuracy, and it is achieved at distances up to 30 km .., all that’s next is minus BB .., and instead of it fuel and guidance system ..
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          Here it is necessary to consider how many kilometers the rocket becomes cheaper than a projectile with the same amount of explosives ..... the west is persistently leading a 155mm projectile to a range of 70km. RF with the Coalition 152mm too.
          1. dvina71 21 November 2019 13: 54 New
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            Here it must be considered

            Not a .. there is no need to count. Here it is necessary to report on the hit target (s) .. With modern detection tools, all that remains in position from the beginning of the shooting is more than the time the RSZO missile flies — potential corpses. For self-propelled guns, the means to the battlefield is significant — the ability to fire on the move. .
          2. Alexey RA 21 November 2019 16: 54 New
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            Here it is necessary to consider how many kilometers a rocket becomes cheaper than a projectile with the same amount of explosives ....

            So it depends on how much to order and how to count. You remember the epic with shells for the 155-mm gun "Zamvolta" - serial shells cost from 0,8 to 1 million dollars apiece.
            1. Zaurbek 21 November 2019 17: 45 New
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              Well, for example ..... the target is 70km away .....
              1. Option corr shell 155mm
              2. Rocket Point U
              3. Iskander
              4 corr rocket Tornado ....

              What other options and what is cheaper? The main savings for the gun is a cheap starting charge.
              1. Rzzz 21 November 2019 22: 29 New
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                Quote: Zaurbek
                Well, for example ..... the target is 70km away .....

                5. Planning aerial bomb. Cheaper than a shell. You do not need sophisticated electronics on the edge of science fiction, capable of withstanding thousands of Gs once. In a bomb, electronics at consumer goods level is much cheaper.
                True, she flies this distance for several minutes, enemies can hide, or shoot down such a bomb. But, if the enemies have something to shoot down, and where to hide, then this is another "price category", and toys that are more expensive can be used.
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                  The bomb is not a shell .... the comparison is not correct.
                  1. Rzzz 21 November 2019 22: 35 New
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                    You also offered 4 options, 3 of which are not shells.
                    And the task was to destroy the field enemy, the conditions "so that the gun" was not.
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                      No ..... I outlined the delivery of a certain amount of explosives to the target ... or more and offered to compare prices
                2. SovAr238A 21 November 2019 22: 39 New
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                  Quote: rzzz

                  5. Planning aerial bomb. Cheaper than a shell. You do not need sophisticated electronics on the edge of science fiction, capable of withstanding thousands of Gs once. In a bomb, electronics at consumer goods level is much cheaper.
                  True, she flies this distance for several minutes, enemies can hide, or shoot down such a bomb. But, if the enemies have something to shoot down, and where to hide, then this is another "price category", and toys that are more expensive can be used.


                  Did you even see what the term "bomb" is in your term?
                  This is about 15-100 thousand dollars only at the cost of a sample ....
                  1. Rzzz 21 November 2019 22: 45 New
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                    Iskander rocket cheaper?
                    1. SovAr238A 21 November 2019 22: 55 New
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                      Iskander rocket cheaper?

                      much more expensive...

                      According to the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on August 24, 2017, the Ministry of Defense is acquiring two brigade sets of Iskander-M operational-tactical missile systems. This was stated by Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov.

                      “Two brigade sets of the Iskander-M missile system are planned for delivery,” Yuri Borisov said at the signing of agreements with defense industry enterprises as part of the Army 2017 international military-technical forum.

                      The amount of the contract is more than 20 billion rubles. Procurement is carried out to increase the fire capabilities of the Ground Forces.
                    2. Zaurbek 21 November 2019 23: 07 New
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                      Rocket Iskander "Do not care" who dominates in the air over the target and this is important.
            2. KrokodilGena 21 November 2019 21: 19 New
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              serial shells cost from 0,8 to 1 million dollars apiece.

              Cho rili ?? Tomahawks cost $ 800-1,5mio, but what about blanks? Or another example, the modernization of stupid bombs into high-precision ones, the control unit, steering wheels and installation all went about $ 30 thousand apiece, which is actually bold at first glance. And in a million for a shot 155mm Zumvolta, I can’t even believe it.
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                Cho rili ??

                Initially, in 2004, the manufacturer stated that he guesses a melody with two notes LRLAP shell will cost 35 kilobax apiece. But due to an order of magnitude reduction in the number of Zavolty built and, accordingly, ordered shells, the cost of one LRLAP in 2016 was 0,8 - 1 megabytes - provided that a batch of 2000 shells was ordered.
        2. Lopatov 21 November 2019 15: 02 New
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          Everything further than 40 km falls under the MLRS

          They do not have MLRS.
          1. Zaurbek 21 November 2019 23: 08 New
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            There is. MLRS ....
            1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 23: 09 New
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              Quote: Zaurbek
              There is. MLRS ....

              This is no longer MLRS. They not only stopped producing unmanaged RSs, they have been disposing of them for 8 years already.
              1. Zaurbek 22 November 2019 06: 59 New
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                They did exactly what we don’t have — corr rocket. It is cheaper than the Tochka-U and more expensive than the MLRS missile. And accuracy and range brought to mind.
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                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  They did exactly what we don’t have — corr rocket.

                  How not? And the "Point" and "Iskander"?
                  1. Zaurbek 22 November 2019 11: 43 New
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                    This is a complicated and expensive BR ... and MLRS is a simpler MLRS missile with corr at the final stage by GPS or laser ... Belarusians did something similar, Ukrainians saw a rocket near a 300mm Tornado. And our systems and anti-aircraft maneuver and GOS complex. And the price.
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                      Quote: Zaurbek
                      with corr at the final stage by GPS or laser ...

                      They don’t have such. Nobody does such a thing. There was a Soviet “threat” with correction in the final section. And, actually, that's all.

                      GMLRS is a full-fledged BR, managed along the entire trajectory.

                      Quote: Zaurbek
                      Belarusians did something similar, Ukrainians saw a rocket at 300mm Tornado.

                      Following the Americans, they fool around. Only not Belarusians and Chinese.
    4. demo 21 November 2019 12: 52 New
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      Here's how South Africa was able to in such technology? Although, these are the same Germans.
      If my memory serves me right, then the descendants of the white settlers were called Boers.
      And these are not only Germans. These are both the Dutch and the British. Etc.
      Although they did not call themselves that.
      This insulting expression is an uneducated villager. True white-skinned.
      1. voyaka uh 21 November 2019 13: 02 New
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        Officially, their name is Afrikaner in Afrikaans (Old Dutch).
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          good
          Thanks for the information.
          I have been dealing with these issues for a long time.
          Already erased in memory.
      2. Sergej1972 12 December 2019 10: 57 New
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        The Boers are precisely the descendants of the Dutch settlers, mixed with the descendants of the French Huguenots, etc. But the descendants of the English settlers do not belong to the Boers. He and the Boers were on opposite sides of the barricades during the Boer War.
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          Right. I add that these descendants of the French Huguenots are not Gauls (French), but Normans (from French Normandy - descendants of the Scandinavians).
          All redheads. I worked in South Africa with one such thing - De Villars.
    5. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 25 November 2019 11: 18 New
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      As a former anti-tank gunner, in the past, starting from the 1980s, I occasionally looked at where you can see the successes of South Africa in all types of barreled artillery, and I think that these are not their successes: they were tried and tested in the savannahs of Angola and other countries in real conditions, the latest developments, including joint ones, of a good half of the countries of the world, excluding the USSR and the VD countries. China is not sure, although it may also have collaborated with them. And keep in mind - South Africa has an excellent industry that could produce anything. I think so. So, these are not the achievements of South Africa alone. This is the result of collaboration.
  • The leader of the Redskins 21 November 2019 07: 46 New
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    Interesting observation. This news has been walking on the Internet for three days now. Interesting news, military, technical ...
    But VO readers are primarily stuffed with reasoning and assumptions about one neighboring country!
  • Professor 21 November 2019 08: 21 New
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    At the same time, artillery shells and the installations themselves are cheaper than rocket weapons or air support for troops.

    There is no cheaper rockets and launchers for them.

    demonstrated absolute record of firing range - 76280 meters.

    Record for 155 mm?
    More than 100 years ago, 211-mm shot at 80 miles.
    In the 1960's, Canadians threw a projectile at a height of 180 km.
    1. Spike Javelin Touvich 21 November 2019 08: 30 New
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      Saddam also built a super gun
      Question in trunk resource
      1. Alexey RA 21 November 2019 16: 51 New
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        Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
        Saddam also built a super gun

        The super cannon of Saddam, the "space gun" that the Canadians fired from, the Canadian 45-caliber CG-45 and the South African G-5 and G-6 have one father - Gerald Bull.
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      Quote: Professor
      Record for 155 mm?

      Record for field artillery.
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      Record for 155 mm?
      It’s for 155, although judging by the title, they generally “shot” everything.
      More than 100 years ago, 211-mm shot at 80 miles.
      This is how I understand the "colossal"
      In the 1960s, Canadians threw a shell at a height of 180 km.
      And the Canadians than bullet?
      1. Professor 21 November 2019 16: 02 New
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        And the Canadians than bullet?

        https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/project-harp-space-gun-barbados
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          Thank you, I have not heard about it
  • Misak Hananyan 21 November 2019 08: 31 New
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    Here she is Bull’s masterpiece
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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AG41s7BoEM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpUE7THEHA0
  • Jurkovs 21 November 2019 08: 44 New
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    How much did the main caliber of the cruiser Kutuzov shoot with active rockets?
    1. vadim dok 21 November 2019 16: 23 New
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      And how much would the main caliber of the battleship Iowa shoot with active rockets?
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        On Iowa, active rockets were never used, and on Kutuzov they were standard until the 70s.
  • Narak-zempo 21 November 2019 09: 20 New
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    It would be a shell with special warheads - then such a range would make sense. And so - why? No accuracy, explosive charge is small. For moving targets, it’s not suitable, for point protected ones too. Remain unprotected areal - well, such as a terrorist attack on a peaceful city on the principle of hit and wounds. Do they want to sell to the Palestinians? So you won’t buy it - it's expensive. They do a good job with improvised rockets.
    1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 10: 35 New
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      Quote: Narak-zempo
      It would be a shell with special warheads - then such a range would make sense. And so - why? No accuracy, explosive charge is small. For moving targets, it’s not suitable, for point protected ones too.

      The problem is that the "NATO standard" does not provide for the existence of full-fledged MLRS. So we have to do strange things.
    2. g_g2008 21 November 2019 15: 05 New
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      and why "wounds"? Why run with such an advantage in range? It’s possible to calculate the guns that are thrown for 70km only with agents or aviation / satellite.
      1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 15: 22 New
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        Quote: g_g2008
        It is possible to calculate a gun that throws for 70km only with agents or aviation / satellite.

        Radar counter-battery followed by additional reconnaissance.
        However, such a firing range does not mean that the gun will be so far from the line of contact.
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          so that’s the calculation — for "additional exploration". to its connection, either the firing task will be completed, or the firing position will be changed simply in terms of ammunition consumption
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            Quote: g_g2008
            so that’s the calculation — for "additional exploration"

            Additional intelligence may be different. For example, radio intelligence. For the use of MLRS such accuracy is enough.
  • Alexey RA 21 November 2019 10: 50 New
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    towed 155 mm howitzer Denel G5 with a barrel length of 39 calibers

    Hmmm ... but isn't the G5 a barrel of 45 calibres?
    39 calibres is a standard barrel length for old traditional 155 mm systems (for example, M198).
    G5 is Bull's brainchild. And as applied to field artillery, he was engaged in "systems of a new type" - long-barreled anti-aircraft guns with barrels 45-52 gauge long.
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    active rocket with bottom gas generator

    This does not happen. Or active-reactive, or with a bottom generator.
  • Bersaglieri 21 November 2019 12: 01 New
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    Active rocket. The shell with a ramjet, which were recently introduced, will be possible to shoot from a standard self-propelled guns and shoot at 100 + km.
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      shoot and hit are different phenomena. a direct-flow projectile takes mass from acceleration from the external environment, i.e. when this mass will have a random impulse (and it will have it), then the place of impact will be more random.
  • eklmn 21 November 2019 17: 08 New
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    And what about “them,” amers?
    And they have a self-propelled M109 Paladin self-propelled howitzer in 2016 was adapted for firing 155 mm projectile HVP (HyperVelosity Projectile), designed for an electromagnetic gun. HVP projectile kinetic and radio-controlled (has electronics and stabilizers). With this projectile you can shoot down both fast-moving targets and stationary ones. Range - 93km.
    The projectile is capable of flying at a maximum speed of 3 km per second (11 thousand km / h or Max 8.8)
    A kinetic projectile flies out of the em-gun with a speed of Mach 6, from artillery weapons - slower, at about 9 thousand km / h. Dispersion radius - 6m.
    The shell became so popular that it began to be used in the navy.
    The disadvantage is that the shell is still expensive, from $ 75 thousand. up to $ 100 thousand.
    1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 17: 34 New
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      The shell became so popular that it began to be used in the navy.

      laughing
      1. eklmn 21 November 2019 17: 40 New
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        Shooting from an existing ship’s gun not converted:
        https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a25804867/us-navy-hvp-heavy-gun-shells-rimpac/
        1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 17: 41 New
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          Shooting from an existing ship’s gun

          This projectile was originally developed for the fleet.
          1. eklmn 21 November 2019 17: 49 New
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            For accuracy, the info - projectile was developed for the EM gun, which they wanted to install in the navy. For the gun, not for the Navy. When the military abandoned the EM cannon, the shell was unclaimed. And then it was tried first on a howitzer, then on other "regular" guns, including naval ones.
            But it does not matter. To lower its price is important for the army.
            1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 17: 52 New
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              Quote: eklmn
              For accuracy, the info - projectile was developed for the EM gun, which they wanted to install in the navy. For the gun, not for the Navy.

              That is, the shell was developed for a ship’s gun, and not for the fleet, I understand correctly?
              1. eklmn 21 November 2019 17: 58 New
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                Yes, they understood correctly. But this weapon is not. I had to look for the use of this shell for other guns. And the shell turned out to be universal - good for both the army and the navy.
                Your opinion - is the shell still good?
                1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 20: 47 New
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                  But this weapon is not.

                  And so in order to recapture the development costs, BAE began to push a super-expensive projectile into all the niches that they noticed.
                  That's the problem. And not in "popularity"
                  1. eklmn 21 November 2019 21: 06 New
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                    “BAE started pushing a super-expensive projectile into all the niches ...”
                    And rightly so! The number of orders will reset the price. The first F-35s cost $ 100 million, now $ 70 million is the laws of the market. And the fleet dreams of such ammunition - less explosives, easier to store.
                    1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 21: 10 New
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                      Quote: eklmn
                      And rightly so!

                      For myself - definitely right. But for the American army, it’s not at all a fact.

                      Quote: eklmn
                      The number of orders will reset the price. ....... - market laws.

                      No market and no huge series will reduce the cost of a diamond necklace to the level of jewelry.
                      1. eklmn 21 November 2019 21: 22 New
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                        Well, that means they will be set aside, not far. But so that it was visible - the “diamond necklace" is very beautiful!
                        There was a railgun on the sidelines too, now they have come up with something with a rate of fire and barrel quality, and decided to resume testing.
                      2. cat Rusich 22 November 2019 00: 32 New
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                        "diamond necklace" will lie "on the window under the glass" - diamond files and glass cutters will work. Consumer goods (cheap and mass products, mostly disposable) give the main profit. Maybe it makes sense to make a NURS with a comparable warhead and the same range? - "jewelry" which will be a consumable in the war.
                  2. Alexey RA 22 November 2019 11: 25 New
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                    Quote: eklmn
                    The first F-35s cost $ 100 million, now $ 70 million is the laws of the market.

                    EMNIP, with the price of "penguins" is not the market decided, and administrative resource.
                    Someone, having familiarized themselves with the budget and purchase prices, turned out to be extremely dissatisfied with the fact that the Lokhidites traditionally brazenly and cynically stuck to the budget.
                    The F-35 program and its cost are out of control. Billions of dollars can be saved and will be saved on military (and other) purchases after January 20.

                    After such threats, the Lokhid people said they would drop the price from 105-100 to 85 megabytes.
                    1. Good_Anonymous 25 November 2019 21: 44 New
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                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      After such threats, the Lokhid people said they would drop the price from 105-100 to 85 megabytes.


                      After the crowed crow, dawn came smile
  • SovAr238A 21 November 2019 22: 34 New
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    This is at the training ground. In a real mess, this food will be covered after a dozen shots, if not on the way to the position.

    Well, cover, realizing that your artillery shoots at 24. and the enemy at 36 ...
    cover ..
    1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 22: 40 New
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      Quote: SovAr238A
      Well, cover, realizing that your artillery shoots at 24. and the enemy at 36 ...
      cover ..

      Easily.
      1. SovAr238A 21 November 2019 22: 41 New
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        Quote: SovAr238A
        Well, cover, realizing that your artillery shoots at 24. and the enemy at 36 ...
        cover ..

        Easily.

        It’s easy to yours - the enemy can’t have a response easily?

        Or do we again consider spherical horses in a vacuum?
        1. Lopatov 21 November 2019 23: 07 New
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          It’s easy to yours - the enemy can’t have a response easily?

          Easy too. This is called a “counter-battery”. Who is faster, who is more accurate, who is less affected by REP and so on ...

          It’s just that many people forget that a gun with a firing range of 100 km is not placed 100 km from the enemy. At ten. To be able to hit the enemy to the greatest possible depth of his battle formation
          1. Armenian hegemon 18 December 2019 22: 02 New
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            By the way, the farther the enemy is, the longer the projectile flies. If you take that calculation, the average velocity of 155 mm projectile is 880-900 m / s. then at a range of 76 km, it will fly as much as 86-87 seconds. In fact, the enemy has less than a minute and a half to get out of the affected area. And about Colossal, he weighed so much that even the rails crumpled from the recoil of the gun, and even a height of 33 meters. The barrel resource was spent on the tests, before they managed to realize the potential. I believe that all the same, 1 shell even flying 76 km is cheaper than rockets for MLRS. And it will be a shame if such a projectile covers the position of the Hurricane, it’s appropriate to use only Tornado, it’ll only surpass it 300 mm, but it’s more suitable for strategic tasks. I don’t know about you, but reaching 76 km for the 155 mm caliber is impressive. I hope that Russian designers will surpass them, but I would start developing over a 203.2 mm long-range projectile. Pluses can easily be overcome 70 km, and the maximum limit is 130-140 km. Even to the detriment of the strength of the barrel, and the high cost of the projectile. But as practice shows of the history of the Korean War, when a controlled bomb did what 100 B-29 bombers could not do for many months. What is better to release thousands of rockets that cost billions of rubles, and do not fulfill their task and the fuel spent on the delivery of the same shells, or one high-precision shell in 1 installation that will decide the outcome of the battle and even possible war. But basically I liked the article in detail and accurately described. I personally like the Coalition with 2 trunks looks cool))
  • Saxahorse 21 November 2019 23: 36 New
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    Good article, thanks. Denel G6 looks very good. This would not hurt us either. Nimble very, shot and immediately tore to hell. :)
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    And we are still building the Mstu with a range of 29 km.
  • Alexander Alekseev_2 22 November 2019 23: 04 New
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    Well done South Africa. After WWII, a lot of Germans escaped there, who almost created atomic weapons there. Many innovations were invented - the first MPAPs, etc. Now here in field artillery set records. It’s true that they’ll probably run away with their crime rate soon ... and it would be nice to see us, but will they probably tell lies ...