Another "light" of "Poseidon"

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Mr. Sutton, a fairly well-known scholar of the topic of secret submarine warfare, sabotage submarine forces and assets, and submarines in general, both conventional and sabotage, the author of books and directories on such products, published in Forbes a very interesting article about the next " light "associated with a" self-propelled underwater vehicle "of unlimited radius with a nuclear power plant" Poseidon "(considered to have the code GRAU 2М39) system weaponsknown as "Status-6". Or with one of the systems related to Poseidon.

Easter egg on video


There were even publications on the site where the authors considered 2М39 a "hoax", "a cut of money" or something far from reality. But this program is real and very close to successful completion. And in general, a “hoax” that lasts (without ancestor programs) from the beginning of the 90's, on which three submarines have already been built, of which two are nuclear, at least another 3 or 4 will be built, and not only them! However, “a happy horseshoe doesn’t care whether you believe in it or not - it already works,” as one smart man of Anglo-Saxon nationality used to say, so little depends on faith.



Mr. Sutton’s article is entitled “Video suggests that the Russian Poseidon has a version launched from the seabed.” What kind of video are you talking about? About the news story of the GTRK "Pomorie" - the Arkhangelsk branch of VGTRK. The plot was released on the channel on 4 of June this year - in any case, it appeared on the YouTube channel "Pomerania" just then ("Academician Alexandrov" at the final stage of testing ) And until recently, this plot had less than 400 views (now there are already thousands under 1,5, which is also very little). It was not Sutton himself who found it, but a certain Twitter user. The plot talked about reaching the final stage of testing the oceanographic research vessel (OIP) of the 20183 project "Academician Aleksandrov", which was freshly built at the Severodvinsk Zvezdochka, built at the request of that same GUI Navy.

Zvezdochka and nuclear scientists


The reinforced ice class vessel with a displacement of 5800 tons is officially intended for research and scientific work on the shelf of the Arctic seas, ensuring the operation of Arctic marine equipment, rescue operations in the Arctic. OIC is able to monitor areas of activity fleet, areas of testing, locations of potentially dangerous bottom objects, areas of economic activity, install bottom navigation, control and measuring and other equipment in them.

The dual purpose of the vessel allows search and rescue operations, dredging, towing, installation and reloading of military and special equipment, inspection and recovery of sunken marine equipment, including objects of potential or actual environmental danger. So, in any case, officially reported. But the mere fact that the ship belongs to the GUGI already leads to suspicions. The vessel is the third sistership in the series launched by the Zvezdochka vessel, of the 20180 project, initially declared as "universal naval armament transport", then re-qualified as an "ice-class rescue tugboat designed for search and rescue operations, ensuring testing of naval weapons and equipment" . Also, the vessel can search, examine sunken objects, for which it carries on board an inhabited self-propelled deep-sea rescue vehicle of the Bester type and uninhabited types of the Tiger and Quantum.

Serves "Asterisk" in the Northern Fleet, in the White Sea Navy. The next in the series was “Maritime Arms Transport” (MTV) of the Akademik Kovalev Ave. The change in numbers is associated with import substitution and the replacement of a number of important ship units and systems with Russian ones. The vessel “Akademik Makeev” of the 20180TV project (again MTV, but “import-substituted”), with the expected commissioning date next year, will test it soon. And the fifth ship, “Academician Laverov”, has not yet been laid.

As we can see, 4 of the 5 ships are named after unconditionally great people, connected by one topic. We are talking about a nuclear missile shield and a sword of our Motherland. Academician Makeev was the general designer of naval strategic missile systems, which created, in fact, most of the domestic SLBMs. And the current Sineva-Liner SLBM R-29РМУ2.1 is also the successor of the Makeevka R-29РМ design, the adoption of which V.P. Makeev did not see. Is that the P-30 "Bulava" stands apart, and then, it would be unlikely that without Makeevka luggage would have been created. Academician A.P. Aleksandrov is one of the creators of the USSR atomic project and an associate of the famous Beard - Kurchatov. On his initiative, nuclear power plants were created for the first atomic icebreaker "Lenin" and our first nuclear submarine K-3. And for the rest too, by the way. He was engaged in the topic of liquid helium and superconductivity, was the supervisor of one of our most powerful reactors for nuclear power plants - RBMK-1000. Academician S.N. Kovalev is the permanent general designer of domestic SSBNs, from the 658 project to the 941 project, and 92 submarine nuclear submarines were built on his projects. Well, Academician N.P. Laverov also from the same galaxy - he did a lot to solve issues with uranium ores and ensure the complete independence of our country in a strategically important issue (he did a lot of things, including even studying climate change, and proved quite clearly that the so-called "global warming "- a myth, a fairy tale for fools and politicians).

"Product" aft. What is it?


But back to the plot and OIC "Academician Alexandrov." In this story, we see that at the stern of the ship, right in the transom cutout, there is a huge "product", very similar to the "Poseidon" in caliber and length. But before the vessel was not mentioned in connection with the Status-6 program, Sutton notes. Although the lead “Zvezdochka” back in 2014, when there was still more than a year left until the first specially controlled discharge of “Status”, it participated in some tests of the “new weapon” in cooperation with the experimental submarine B-90 “Sarov”, which is now known as a test base for Poseidon and his friends. Mr. Sutton believes that the entire series of these vessels is probably connected with the Status-6 program, or with it and other top-secret projects under the patronage of the Navy GUGI. And Zvyozdochka, in his opinion, quite coping with the tasks of catching Poseidon prototypes after testing and delivering them to the coastal base, obviously, can not cope with more capacious tasks of the program. Therefore, it required an "oceanographer" with a large covered hangar on it, which would fit such a weapon as the "Poseidon". In addition, the Academician Aleksandrov is equipped with a unique set of cranes, including deep-sea cranes and a large deck crane with a carrying capacity of more than 100 tons. It is considered by many, including Sutton, that the approximate weight of the 25 meter torpedo is about 1,5 m in caliber and is located in approximately this area. In addition, the video shows that the product can both be advanced from its position at the stern in the transom cutout into the water, and can be taken out of the water. Probably, it gets to the stern from the very hangar, where it prepares for launch or is serviced after returning.



Screenshots from the video of GTRK "Pomorie", where you can see a product similar in size to "Poseidon"

Sutton explains the differences in the appearance of the product at the stern and the very presence of such a ship by the fact that what we see in the video is not the “Poseidon” for the submarine’s torpedo tubes, but a different version of the products. The American believes that we are talking about "Scythian" (this mysterious product became known even before the appearance of the first fragmentary information about the "Status-6"). According to one version, “Scythian” is “Poseidon”. According to another, this is the bottom version of Poseidon, that is, in advance in a special period, placed somewhere on the sea’s bottom from the carrier’s base, from where, upon receipt of the order, it starts towards the target. Such a self-transporting mine torpedo, but vice versa. According to the third version, this is not a super torpedo, but an ICBM of a bottom launch (which pops up before launch in a transport and launch container to the surface). There are other versions. Sutton believes that this is the second version - the bottom version of the giant torpedo. However, the idea of ​​ground rockets and even torpedoes in itself contains a lot of reasons for criticism. For example, how to ensure the safety and integrity of products before launch? How to serve? But how to take products back if they were not needed (the war did not start)? All these issues are, in principle, resolvable, but especially in the case of ICBMs there are too many of them, and the sheepskin may not be worth the cost. With a torpedo it’s easier, especially if the vessel is of an ice class - it will be even more difficult for the enemy to find them in the Arctic than elsewhere, but there are enough questions there that are difficult to find.

Another version


As for the product (or layout) at the stern of Aleksandrov, maybe it’s not about any bottom version (if it exists at all)? Maybe this is one of the options for Poseidon, say, equipped not with different thermonuclear warheads of different (large or special) power, but equipped with, for example, search engines? Such an option was once reported not so long ago, but as peaceful, but it may well be that the device is simply being created to ensure the combat operation of the Poseidon itself. Search for targets for hiding in-depth drums, control smaller underwater search drones and the like. This version seems to be quite adequate. Other options are possible - we, in the end, know little about all the potential capabilities of such devices and the variety of its options.

There is one more question: why, in fact, such a "drain" of information about the appointment of "Academician Aleksandrov" was allowed? Perhaps, of course, this is an accidental puncture - they did not keep track. But with the topic of this level of secrecy, even after the disclosure of part of the general information on it, this seems unlikely, although this happens. But perhaps it was just such a delayed in time leak (not very successful, because random people found the information by chance), which should eventually get to someone on the table in Washington. In order to be smarter and more accommodating and not act to the detriment of the United States first of all by its extremely ill-considered actions in the field of strategic stability, in particular, to extend the START-3. And then suddenly some other “leak” will happen, and quite someone with a heart will burst into flames on the Potomac. We still have a lot of things in the storeroom.
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  1. +44
    19 November 2019 06: 06
    As for the product (or model) at the stern of the "Alexandrov"
    The version that this is a seismic radar, which is placed on the bottom, "knocks" on it and "listens" to the response - for the LOCHs?
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      1. -46
        19 November 2019 10: 30
        I also agree, it's just a round container of waste and food block, stupidly dumped into the sea and that's it, but in the article about some kind of Poseidon
      2. +24
        19 November 2019 10: 56
        Well done! It worked! You can go to the cashier for coppers))
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          1. +15
            19 November 2019 12: 13
            Bayan button accordion !!!! And that the training manual has ended. So come to Russia, we will give you a new one))))
            1. -4
              19 November 2019 16: 44
              Bayan button accordion !!!! And that the training manual has ended. So come to Russia, we will give you a new one))))

              Yes, he is in the Russian Federation and is sitting. You really somehow share with each other manuals. Visit each other with seminars. And then the trollin is not tasty at all.
              1. +2
                19 November 2019 17: 03
                How did you define this ?! Or believe in words?
                1. -5
                  19 November 2019 17: 21
                  Well, I’m where I’m sitting and working on advanced manuals. And so I know everything))
                  But faith is closer to you. so take your word for it.
                  1. +1
                    19 November 2019 17: 33
                    It's a little ....
          2. +19
            19 November 2019 13: 43
            Quote: lexus
            You have nowhere to send. Brain is needed to develop mental thinking.

            Rudeness or all permissiveness? belay
            1. +3
              20 November 2019 00: 21
              Allowed rudeness)))
        2. 0
          19 November 2019 13: 44
          Where give unspecified?
          1. -2
            19 November 2019 13: 50
            Do not disappoint me .....
            1. -2
              19 November 2019 15: 43
              And you can’t joke
        3. +1
          20 November 2019 09: 29
          Well done! It worked! You can go to the cashier for coppers))
          will not give, cheaply worked. lol
      3. +15
        19 November 2019 11: 12
        I sent a complaint for flood and spam. Tired of
        1. +15
          19 November 2019 13: 45
          Quote: Artemiy_2
          I sent a complaint for flood and spam. Tired of

          I agree, my friend and support. Yes
      4. +8
        19 November 2019 11: 13
        And you go with the oval, that’s the one to all the kings, king.
      5. +27
        19 November 2019 11: 59
        Quote: lexus
        in a country with liquidated science and destroyed education - this is a dummy for blindly "believers", victims of the exam and pensioners who have gone out of their minds

        And this apparently built an unknown technologically advanced race ..


        1. +8
          19 November 2019 13: 51
          Quote: dvina71
          Quote: lexus
          in a country with liquidated science and destroyed education - this is a dummy for blindly "believers", victims of the exam and pensioners who have gone out of their minds

          And this apparently built an unknown technologically advanced race ..



          My friend, he’s so young, as before, we have yard guys here to hold him, kick him, and he rakes, the Americans are also trying to open our air defense hi
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        2. -9
          19 November 2019 15: 22
          The bridges are good, you can be proud, but there is nothing "supernatural" in them, an aircraft carrier is much more difficult to design and build. For the bridge to the Russky Island, the cables were made by the French, by the way, and foreign companies participated in the design and this is a normal practice. So banter about "unknown technologically advanced race" is not counted! And if you also pay attention to the purpose of construction and see if it has been fulfilled .......
          1. +6
            20 November 2019 00: 35
            Quote: Trigger-Happy
            So banter about "unknown technologically advanced race" is not counted!

            From someone we already heard about a regional state with an economy torn to shreds.
            1. +3
              20 November 2019 17: 17
              And what is different with the economy? What country do you live in? Figures look, real GDP growth is? Is there an increase in citizens' income? What is Russia's share in world GDP? The economy is not torn to shreds of course, but is in poor condition. The share of income from the sale of minerals in GDP only increased during the reign of Pu ... and he promised to reduce it.
              1. +3
                20 November 2019 17: 54
                Quote: Trigger-Happy
                And what is different with the economy?

                Firstly -Good where we are not.
                Secondly, we will return to the source of my and your comments:
                Quote: lexus
                All these are "weapons based on new physical principles", it is simpler than a wunderwafe

                You can not trust Putin, but trust the unknown Lexus ??
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                  1. +8
                    21 November 2019 09: 31
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Everything is simpler. "Svarog", "Sylvester", "Stroporez", the same "Lexus" - this is a local team of close-knit all-fighters.

                    It is not surprising, Roman, that people with similar thoughts support each other. It would be surprising if they put the pluses to you. By the way, you didn’t add everyone to the boxes — the list is bigger.
                    If you are claiming justice, then you need to lay out a few more screenshots:
                    1. Who did you negate so much that you became a sergeant from the colonels?
                    2. Who helps you to become an officer during the day from a sergeant with your complete silence,
                    3. I would like to see the same screenshots with your like-minded people.
                    In the meantime, you, in the plural, hiding behind large stars and remaining virtually unpunished,
                    make a selection on the site. So we are waiting for a self-disclosure session, although I’m sure your gut is thin. That's because of the corner, is it your way !!!
                    This is an example of the hazing that we recently discussed. Only there is no machine in the hands, sometimes it’s a pity
                  2. +2
                    21 November 2019 10: 12
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Yes, everything is simpler.

                    Thank you, Roman, for revealing the connection between you and the “marshals”, suspecting them, now they are convinced that there is a secret organization of “grandfathers” who create lawlessness. Which of the marshals merges such pictures to you, I would like to get the same access. I have come to the self-organization of citizens in the fight against you like them, and do not be afraid, you want exclusivity and impunity.
                    For the balance of power and the eradication of hazing, the site administration would like to thin out the Orthodox marshals and introduce the opposite side. Then you wouldn’t live freely on the site of you and your kind
                  3. +6
                    21 November 2019 10: 22
                    Golovan, where did you get this ??


                    This info is available only to moderators! Who merges info to you? Tersky? You passed it now!
                    Can’t you show me a screen?
                  4. +4
                    21 November 2019 17: 49
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Quote: anykin
                    You can not trust Putin, but trust the unknown Lexus ??

                    Everything is simpler. "Svarog", "Sylvester", "Stroporez", the same "Lexus" - this is a local team of close-knit all-fighters.



                    They also have a "dance", judging by the comments - your client is from there Yes

                    Mmyayayaya ......, this is definitely beyond the scope ..... I ask you, lay out the screen, who blurts out my minus!
                    I didn’t know that everything is so bad and even worse belay
                    The next step should be when you post personal correspondence fellow
                    You guys really have nothing to do? fool
                    1. +1
                      21 November 2019 17: 55
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      it's definitely beyond ...

                      Man, watch yourself ...

                      Quote: Stroporez
                      lay out the screen, who blurts me out

                      Well, you know - there is some kind of order ... either there, or not. But here is your "order", small composition - on the screen, challenge wink

                      Quote: Stroporez
                      I didn’t know that everything is so bad and even worse

                      And what is it you, you military man right up to the bones crossed, so upset something?

                      I do not understand request
                      1. +3
                        21 November 2019 18: 32
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Well, you know - there is some kind of order ... either there, or not. But here is your "order", small composition - on the screen, challenge

                        Gy laughing laughing laughing
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        And what is it you, you military man right up to the bones crossed, so upset something?

                        I do not understand

                        I was very pleased good Have you ever picked up mushrooms?) laughing
                  5. -3
                    25 November 2019 22: 13
                    nobly merged) in the training manual apparently did not take into account
                2. -1
                  26 November 2019 15: 01
                  Quote: anykin
                  but trust the unknown Lexus ??

                  I don’t trust anyone, it’s dangerous, even my own eyes sometimes fail.
              2. +1
                25 November 2019 18: 17
                Quote: Trigger-Happy
                And what is different with the economy?

                And who is "all right" with the economy now? Specifically, can you list?
                Quote: Trigger-Happy
                real GDP growth is there?

                What is definitely not there is the inflation of nominal values ​​due to the printing press, financial derivatives, stock market bubbles, Internet startups of dubious profitability, arm-twisting of allies for the sale of a military illiquid, etc. etc.
                Quote: Trigger-Happy
                Is there an increase in citizens' income?

                Since 1999 - of course there is! Dollar millionaires approx. 250 thousand people - this is only official! And a very, very low unemployment rate by world standards. Stratification is another matter.
                Quote: Trigger-Happy
                What is Russia's share in world GDP?

                And which one do you need in order to "be all right"? In the United States, the won also fell from almost 50% immediately after WWII to less than 20% now - i.e. by almost 30 p.p. - and what, are they shouting about the disaster? Or do they not "rummage" in the economy?
                1. 0
                  26 November 2019 16: 55
                  Quote: Alexey LK
                  Since 1999 - of course there is! Dollar millionaires approx. 250 thousand people

                  Interestingly, we have a lot of engineers, teachers, doctors, etc. dollar millionaires ?, by citizens I meant them. Don’t ask anyone, they’re injecting money on his uncle for a penny from ZP to ZP, and whoever has something left simply has no time to spend, I exaggerate of course, but the essence is this. From 2001 to 2007 I worked for the defense industry, it was somehow not a lot. The real growth was when he went to a large international company and there he moved from scratch until 2012, and then everything was cool, to no avail, without connections and lobbying. And since the 13th year, due to strong inflation, a drop in the real level of income has led again in the 2000s, with the only difference that over the years it has acquired many, that's it! And now we take a slice, for example, the 2004th and 2019th, and that as a result turns out, yes the same for the same plus minus taking into account inflation. And do not forget about the lost 15 years of precious time ......
                  Quote: Alexey LK
                  And which one do you need in order to "be all right"?

                  I don't care about the numbers, but as practice shows, the higher it is, the more that remains from the salary to the salary for the engineer. For a NASA engineer, it is 5 times higher than for a Roscosmos engineer, and for Comrade Rogozin, on the contrary, is higher than his colleague from NASA, somehow it is not logical right? If there were successes in space and hell with Rogozin, there are none, but he has great success in buying real estate for large sums than he even earned during his entire time at the head. And the word "Eastern" in the language spins at once, ..... ugh damn ....
                  1. 0
                    27 November 2019 11: 11
                    Quote: Trigger-Happy
                    Interestingly, we have a lot of engineers, teachers, doctors, etc. dollar millionaires ?, by citizens I meant them.

                    I am sure that there are few, but where are many of them? In addition to American doctors, of course - there they have just sky-high incomes. But what is still not enough is a normal active struggle for their rights with the help of, for example, trade unions. Indeed, between the dull whining and senseless Swamp aggression there are reasonable intermediate effective options. The same engineers from the East - didn’t they see from the very beginning how everything went? Unfortunately, our people, though talented and hardworking, are naive and straightforward. How to shoe a flea, so savvy, sometimes just amazing, but how to worry about your interests, and without baseness in relation to others, so where does that savvy go ?!
              3. 0
                14 December 2019 12: 24
                And you would-be economist, do not tell me the structure of budget revenues USA & GB: by areas of income. And don't be fooled that you don't know what I mean ?! 2/3 of the income of these countries, the consequences of WWII: this is the so-called. "brain drain", royalties, purchase of securities and investments, financial and economic services, expert services and so on, which is not at all related to the production sector of the economy. :) Something like this ....
            2. -1
              25 November 2019 22: 06
              no not like this! In our state, regions with torn economies. Except some. Well, of course, the main holders of the Russian common fund. They always have wage growth, GDP and the like.
          2. +3
            20 November 2019 02: 26
            Quote: Trigger-Happy
            The bridges are good, you can be proud, but there is nothing "supernatural" about them

            And here my friend is lying. Google, why the rumor so persistently that the Crimean bridge will not be built never? And for one read about the Black Sea bottom.
            And then, you can take an interest in the technologies used to obtain the desired result, of which no one had imagined from Russia.
            1. -2
              20 November 2019 17: 45
              Quote: Igool
              And here my friend is lying

              what is a lie? more....
          3. +1
            25 November 2019 18: 05
            Quote: Trigger-Happy
            aircraft carrier design and build is much more difficult

            Quote: Trigger-Happy
            pay attention to the goal

            Well, so why is he?
        3. -2
          19 November 2019 16: 35
          It is good when the structures and ships built serve the public good, and even better when they are in the public domain. One thing is frustrating when they report on TV about the construction of some enterprise or plant, and it seems like it feels like development is underway. Few people ask who owns this enterprise, who benefits from it.
          1. +2
            20 November 2019 02: 30
            So you build yourself and you will go profit in your pocket. And will you pay taxes to the state, or do you not see state benefits in this? Oh yes, I forgot that this is not what worries you. And why does the one who built it, and not you, make money at the plant?
            1. +6
              21 November 2019 02: 50
              But by the way, who is building the plants, probably the oligarch personally digs the foundation pit and drives in piles or all the same workers. And who works at this plant, who by their own labor produces the final product, also an oligarch? And from where did this gentleman take that kind of money to build a plant, earned by personal labor? Or appropriated the fruits of another's labor?
            2. -2
              25 November 2019 22: 17
              Quote: Igool
              And you will pay taxes to the state

              in our country it is not customary to pay taxes to the state, are you ...! Profit must be taken offshore.
        4. +6
          19 November 2019 16: 47
          And this apparently built an unknown technologically advanced race ..
          So noble Tajiks have not yet called))
      6. +21
        19 November 2019 12: 09
        All this "weapon based on new physical principles" is simpler than a wunderwafle, in a country with abolished science and destroyed education - this is a dummy for the blindly "believers", victims of the Unified State Exam and pensioners who are out of their minds. Look around you already - your king is NAKED!

        Do not lie in Ukraine there is no exam)))
        1. +1
          20 November 2019 17: 21
          Quote: loki565
          Do not lie in Ukraine there is no exam)))

          But we have visa-free! Gasless! Bezmosk!
      7. +10
        19 November 2019 14: 22
        Quote: lexus
        All this "weapon based on new physical principles" is simpler than a wunderwafle, in a country with abolished science and destroyed education - this is a dummy for the blindly "believers", victims of the Unified State Exam and pensioners who are out of their minds. Look around you already - your king is NAKED!

        Specify which country you are writing about?
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        1. +3
          20 November 2019 00: 40
          Quote: Trigger-Happy
          backlog comes to an end soviet

          Soviet, this is a special case of Russian.
          1. -1
            25 November 2019 22: 23
            this is not a special case, it was a unique chance that will no longer be presented
            1. +1
              25 November 2019 23: 45
              "it was a unique chance that will never come again"
              You gave a definition of a special case.
      9. +1
        20 November 2019 04: 23
        Lexus, do you often meet him, for example, in a bathhouse?
      10. +1
        20 November 2019 11: 08
        The dog barks - the caravan moves on. While you are choking on hatred and saliva, you are hysterical, megaprojects are being built in Russia, the army is being rearmed, megaproductions and dozens of bridges are being built. roads, dozens of schools and kindergartens, large cities are being rebuilt. ... Well, cartoons .... The dagger and overexposure are already in the troops. The first vanguards will rise before the end of the year. Zircons are on trial. Sarmat too. The first Poseidon carrier is due to pass next year. Even if the tests drag on, they will not be moved by a year. PM YOU CAN BELIEVE IN "MULTICS" AND THE EXISTENCE OF THE CRIMEAN BRIDGE OR NOT BELIEVE - THE REALITY DOES NOT CARE. wink
        All that remains for you is to fight in hysterics and throw shovels of shit at the fan. You are pathetic, monsieur. And in vain you took yourself the nickname Lexus - the maximum is Zaporozhets. Or rather the walk-behind tractor is yours. hi
        1. +3
          20 November 2019 17: 41
          Hatred emanates from such commentators and comments. What are mega-projects and mega-production? With Vostochny can not figure out how many years. Let’s talk about kindergartens in more detail. In our city, a millionaire has a problem in order for a child to be a child. to arrange a garden, now I’m tormented myself, no la la, there are new ones built, but they are many times less than those closed in the 90s. With schools the same crap. Of course, to believe in cartoons and be proud of rockets is much simpler than pulling a family with 2 children, brains are not needed. So miss your fan further and look under your feet more often, otherwise you never mind .......
          1. -1
            25 November 2019 22: 26
            Quote: Trigger-Happy
            With Vostochny can not figure out how many years.

            why can't? It remains to steal a little more and that's all) and figure it out.
        2. +1
          22 November 2019 07: 45
          Go check your head, it looks like it hurts you
        3. -3
          25 November 2019 22: 25
          Well, it turns out what YOU-URAPATRIOT
      11. 0
        20 November 2019 15: 38
        It’s probably hard to live with such a reality in my head ...
        1. -2
          21 November 2019 01: 10
          It’s probably hard to live with such a reality in my head ...


          but the team of patriots-high-level-life of the site, which is known to everyone here, has been enduring loudly and steadfastly for many years. Mark on the order.

          They are power here. After each post they are here - Putin has a panic in the Kremlin and Medvedev is packing his bags. They have already chosen Grudinin as president of the election and have long decided that it is time for the whole country to go somewhere in the other direction.

          Its own reality. Funny revolutionize. This is a proxy revolution, a hybrid battle of the whole platoon. There you still need to look at citizenship and draw organizational conclusions.

          Although even Solovyov has his own Kovtun. Apparently the site team fumbles what the audience needs)
      12. vka
        -3
        20 November 2019 21: 33
        YES YES Putin is hiding money from pensioners who have lost their minds !!!!!!!!!!!!
    2. 0
      14 December 2019 12: 07
      Or a station analogous to the American SOSUS. I do not think that the hydrophone stations of our "potential friends" in the size of the GUS from a civilian fishing seiner. Moreover, a seismic buoy or hydrophone buoy GPS (passive system) must also carry a current source for the equipment. In general, the news is pleasant, it is a pity that little attention was paid to stationary hydrophone search systems off our shores and in our zones of military and industrial interests! The Yankers would not be so impudent with their nuclear submarines and then they would not publish victory books.
  2. +8
    19 November 2019 06: 06
    A security team patrolling in the vicinity of the plant found onlookers on the shore who wanted to see the newly launched ship with their own eyes. Its purpose was not clear to everyone, and this gave rise to lively debate. The guards acting according to the instructions began to urge people to disperse and did it as follows:
    “Comrades, please disperse!” There is nothing interesting here - they launched the first nuclear submarine.
    Having received such a competent explanation, people dispersed with satisfaction.

    (The first Soviet atomic submarine. History of creation. Authors: Leonid Osipenko, Lev Zhiltsov, Nikolai Mormul)
  3. +24
    19 November 2019 06: 38
    What kind of poseydonomaniya? Now will we see him in any cylindrical object?
    It can be anything from a seismic sensor to just a load for testing a crane for maximum depth / load capacity. And yes, it can be OH, but we are unlikely to know about it for sure.
    1. +23
      19 November 2019 08: 54
      Quote: Waltasar
      Now will we see him in any cylindrical object?
      Everything is strictly according to Freud: trees similar to bananas, etc ...
    2. 0
      19 November 2019 09: 41
      Rather, it is "poseidonophobia".
      "Will we see him now in any cylindrical object?" Well, we will probably not "will", but there will be our sworn "partners". Well, "run" to the pharmacy for sedatives!
    3. 0
      19 November 2019 09: 50
      Quote: Waltasar
      It can be anything from a seismic sensor to just a load for testing the crane to the maximum depth

      I agree. Only when deploying a series of Poseidons are required full-time ships for their transportation. For example, in the case of a submarine, in which case you will not go to any Rotterdam, you cannot even pass secretly through the strait. So the speed of construction of academics and the width of the cutaway in the transom hints ... Indirect confirmation that Poseidon is not a cartoon
      1. +6
        19 November 2019 11: 01
        Quote: Winnie76
        you can’t even pass secretly through the strait.
        Do you know what the SP-2 is being built for?
        1. +17
          19 November 2019 11: 31
          Quote: Simargl
          Do you know what the SP-2 is being built for?

          It is possible that the pipe Poseidon bullet like pneumatic mail)
          1. +7
            19 November 2019 14: 12
            Quote: Waltasar
            It is possible that the Poseidon can be pulled along the pipe, like pneumatic mail
            SP-2.
            The start of Poseidon. Doublet!
            drinks
        2. +6
          19 November 2019 13: 29
          Quote: Simargl
          Do you know what the SP-2 is being built for?

          For money. Do you have other information?
          1. +4
            19 November 2019 13: 45
            Quote: Winnie76
            Quote: Simargl
            Do you know what the SP-2 is being built for?

            For money. Do you have other information?

            good laughing good

            Right. Radio station - on an armored train (c) Yes
            1. +2
              19 November 2019 14: 46
              Quote: Golovan Jack


              Correctly. Radio station - on an armored train (c)

              And you are here, buddy. They promised to ignore me forever and again and deceived me. Do you, as a chemical physicist and a luminous basic, have something to say on the subject of Poseidons?
            2. 0
              19 November 2019 15: 12
              I wanted to ask. Do you always end a sentence with emoticons? Well, something like a signal "laugh here", like Petrosyan's offscreen laugh. Or just instead of punctuation marks. Or maybe this is an occupational disease of all luminaries of basic?
    4. 0
      19 November 2019 22: 35
      Quote: Waltasar
      What kind of poseydonomaniya? Now will we see him in any cylindrical object?

      Well, it is not we who will see him, but "they" and, it seems, already see laughing
  4. +6
    19 November 2019 06: 40
    So they wrote that Poseidon will be guided by the bottom topography on its route. Now the question is: where can I get maps of the bottom of the route and how to get the best route? In my opinion, the answer to the photo is the same Poseidon, only in the unarmed version, with powerful sonars and the usual GLONASS navigator. He walks slowly, scans the bottom, checking the location from the navigation satellites, naturally floating up around it or releasing the antenna.
    If there is a nuclear power plant there, it can take months, periodically transmitting data to such ships.
    1. +15
      19 November 2019 07: 42
      For mapping, any vessel with a good sonar is suitable, and you still need to go after this device in the lapping, so as not to be stolen. The Chinese fishermen were already catching the Amer’s underwater drone. wassat
      1. +2
        19 November 2019 08: 10
        And if this must be done covertly? To stomp an apparatus that goes at a depth of at least 200-300 meters, this still needs to be managed. In addition, I think for orientation, the resolution of the map should be greater than a conventional scan from a vessel on the surface. Even if you make only correction points, and not the entire route. In general, this contraption on a ship of unknown purpose.
        1. +9
          19 November 2019 08: 33
          The trawl goes in the water column at different depths. Pelagic trawls from 0 are rough and almost to the bottom (pollock are caught at depths of up to 800 meters), bottom trawls generally creep along the ground at depths of up to 1,5 km, but more often up to 1000 meters. Although ours carried out deep trawling at 2K meters for scientific purposes.
          Disclosure at the trawls is very large, especially at the Pelagic. From 60-80 M vertically and 120-180 M along the horizontal.
          But with the purpose that HZ knows her - I agree.
      2. -3
        19 November 2019 09: 49
        Yes, and for this device vseravno you need to go in the lap, that would not be stolen.

        Not necessary. Let them catch and take. Straight to the Pentagon. And we will give a command to undermine. fellow
    2. +4
      19 November 2019 08: 56
      Quote: Wedmak
      conventional GLONASS navigator

      Under water?
      Laugh in the morning.
      1. 0
        19 November 2019 10: 04
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        Quote: Wedmak
        conventional GLONASS navigator

        Under water?
        Laugh in the morning.

        What is the difficulty of raising a buoy with an antenna for a minute, rewinding and moving further along the ANN? What made you laugh, share ...
        1. +6
          19 November 2019 13: 08
          You're right! Even in pre-computer times, operational communication with the submarine was carried out using high-speed equipment (ADU) - the release of the antenna and the broadcasting of "compressed" information, similarly for reception ... Also, for communication (the propagation medium is water), VLF range).
      2. +7
        19 November 2019 10: 32
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        Laugh in the morning.

        For a depth map and a route, GLONASS is definitely needed. Just a surface ship, laying a route, with an echo sounder scans the terrain and depths, and according to GLONASS determines their coordinates. Therefore, when Poseidon himself goes by inertial, he will not need to come up and raise the buoys, he will determine his coordinates by depth and relief with his echo sounder. But to compile an electronic underwater map, GLONASS is definitely needed.
    3. +1
      19 November 2019 21: 19
      Quote: Wedmak
      or releasing an antenna.


      If the depths are small, then okay. And in the ocean there are also five-kilometer depths. Will release a cable five kilometers long? And how will such a "Poseidon" fit? How thick should it be so as not to tear? What kind of buoy should be so as not to sink under the weight of such a cable? How to ensure that the buoy is not carried too far? Etc. The ascent option: while the device ascends from a five-kilometer depth, it will already lose a point with an error of plus or minus a kilometer. And how can he set the periscope? The submarine is easy - it has a wheelhouse where five meters of the periscope can be hidden. Where to hide the antenna in Poseidon? To avoid being flooded with waves all the time, it must be at least three meters long. How to put it inside, if the whole body is one and a half meters in diameter? And it is also necessary that the antenna does not overturn the torpedo on its side, the torpedo is round, there is no stability.
  5. 0
    19 November 2019 07: 45
    This is a steel bolt in the coffin of mattresses in the photo, which is not clear to them here ....!
    1. +1
      19 November 2019 08: 32
      The mattresses are not particularly scared, but I found the perfect target. Good old .. England!
  6. +15
    19 November 2019 08: 03
    "Product" aft. What is it?

    Malchik, however. winked lol
    1. +2
      19 November 2019 11: 55
      Quote: K-50
      Malchik, however.
      in the sense of male?! clearly noticed ...
  7. 0
    19 November 2019 10: 13
    Poseidon is always transported in a container. So this is a fake ...
  8. +1
    19 November 2019 10: 32
    . As previously written kg / am ...
  9. +2
    19 November 2019 10: 50
    Yes the gas pipe is it! Obviously, the insidious Russians, taking advantage of Germany’s greed, are building Nord Stream-3 to completely undermine the energy security of Europe!
  10. +5
    19 November 2019 11: 57
    Is this Poseidon?
    Then it looks like he hit the bottom a couple of times with stern. There are dents on it.
    1. +7
      19 November 2019 13: 18
      Of course, this is not Poseidon, this is a garden submersible pump "Kid" ...
    2. +3
      19 November 2019 21: 21
      And rusty for some reason. In the open air for many years kept.
  11. +14
    19 November 2019 12: 15
    "Poseidon" has not yet been adopted, and in Israel they are already shying away from every underwater pipe and diapers are in short supply laughing
  12. +4
    19 November 2019 13: 12
    This HZ is designed to scratch obscene inscriptions on the seabed for the "too curious"
  13. +5
    19 November 2019 14: 10
    It doesn’t look like a standalone device .. yes it doesn’t look like a sonar either .. But it’s very good to try to hang noodles on your ears using any culvert ..
  14. -6
    19 November 2019 14: 38
    Quote: loki565
    Do not lie in Ukraine there is no exam)))

    Well, here about the outskirts I started my typhon, as I thought, stubborn !!!
    1. +4
      19 November 2019 16: 06
      Well, here about the outskirts I started my typhon, as I thought, stubborn !!!

      And here you even managed to throw on the fan, where did you just get it)))
      The tsar is in our senility, but it’s not so bad, there are minds, there is a lot of money (among the retinue), the Soviet backlog came to an end, but it was powerful, so what has been done / is done can be very painful. But overall, the vector is negative.

      The bridges are good, you can be proud, but there is nothing "supernatural" in them, an aircraft carrier is much more difficult to design and build. For the bridge to the Russky Island, the cables were made by the French, by the way, and foreign companies participated in the design and this is a normal practice. So banter about "unknown technologically advanced race" is not counted! And if you also pay attention to the purpose of construction and see if it has been fulfilled .......
      1. 0
        19 November 2019 16: 34
        Yes, that’s right, for stubborn ones even simple logical conclusions and discussion of existing problems are considered a scam, not everyone can see beyond their own nose ......
        1. 0
          19 November 2019 16: 36
          Yes, that’s right, for stubborn ones even simple logical conclusions and discussion of existing problems are considered a scam, not everyone can see beyond their own nose ......

          well this is too self-critical, it’s possible that not everything is so bad
  15. -6
    19 November 2019 15: 35
    A model for dusting the brains of both the Americans and the Supreme. To cut, so to cut large-scale !!!
    1. +10
      19 November 2019 16: 08
      You have a typical marginal disease - the maidan of the brain.

      How are you there - they are jumping with joy for adding zebra forces to two armored boats, one tug and one tank (I will tactfully keep silent about the self-exploding mortar "Hammer")?

      And here we are, you know, we are all "tormented by dummies" - the Crimean bridge, "Avangard", Su-35, "Dagger", "Rubezh", "Caliber", "Ash", "Bulava", "Borey", "Container" and "Voronezh", from next year we will "suffer" Su-57, S-500, "Sarmat", a year later - "Poseidon", "Petrel", "Peresvet", etc. etc.

      It is much more urgent for you not to pound water in a mortar at the VO, but to "powder" your brains with an individual installation for collecting biogas - winter is near, Nord Stream 2 whispers, and the Okrug pipeline system ordered to live long laughing
      1. -2
        19 November 2019 16: 41
        Only a person who is far from understanding what is behind each of these "terrible" words and common sense can write such a thing. Unfortunately, everyone, or rather the majority, will have to "suffer".
      2. -1
        23 November 2019 21: 18
        Andrei, among Topvar regulars, it has become bad form to conduct a polemic with you. I once stood on the sidelines, but I am gradually taking up the positions of Klimov and Timokhin.
        You have become just ridiculous.
        1. +8
          23 November 2019 23: 01
          Morskie friski vseh krask, на go up to / in the VO - 800 meters of the depth of the sound channel in the Norwegian Sea, X-ray laser as a means of PLO ets bully
      3. -3
        25 November 2019 22: 40
        Everything is fine, but here it is
        Quote: Operator
        and the piping system of the outskirts ordered a long life
        . Where do you come from then? You, that is not an appeal to your opponent, then a link to Ukraine. Is your head bad at all ???
  16. 0
    19 November 2019 16: 35
    If this is indeed Poseidon, then it looks like a deliberate leak of information, as was the case with Project Status 6. In general, it would be strange to assume that the Poseidon will only be transported by boat. The ship is faster and easier. Even several pieces can be transported and started at once.
  17. -4
    19 November 2019 17: 00
    I believe that both Poseidons and Vanguards are Comrade’s empty bluff. Putin, similar to Ronald Reagan's bluff about star wars. But that bluff rolled and devastated the USSR, and this one will not do it anymore. Anyone who knows the state of the defense industry of the Russian Federation can imagine this very well.
    1. 0
      19 November 2019 19: 11
      A batch of Mi-28UB "Night Hunter" and Mi-8AMTSh entered the 4th Army, and you have already inflated new American boats?
    2. 0
      19 November 2019 22: 22
      In 2008, the Russian Air Force had 4 SU-34s. in 2018 --- several regiments. The same picture for other types of weapons
    3. -2
      20 November 2019 00: 42
      Quote: ua1osm
      who knows the state of the defense industry of the Russian Federation, this is a very good idea.

      Therefore, the Kyrgyz Republic in Syria politely flew around our bases.
    4. +3
      20 November 2019 17: 56
      Quote: ua1osm
      I believe that both Poseidons and Vanguards are Comrade’s empty bluff. Putin

      It makes no difference whether there is a bluff or not, there is a nuclear shield, it keeps us from rash actions and will hold it for a long time. Why do I need these cartoons?, .... give me success in the economy and in increasing the income of citizens !!!! For some reason cartoons for some reason are not shown, only fairy tales tell. Success in the defense for intelligence. channels get to opponents. And with cartoons you can only please kids, ...... silly they are .....
  18. 0
    19 November 2019 19: 07
    Is this a hint that all cargo and passenger ships will go with large torpedoes?
  19. +1
    19 November 2019 19: 08
    This is the same thing that Russians are used to putting on their shoulder to their sworn friends. Real size.
  20. +1
    19 November 2019 19: 47
    Poseidon is not Poseidon but is possible for gadgets or even chago cables. Westerners are now all round and long will be called Poseidon))))
  21. +4
    19 November 2019 21: 03
    Development of the topic of HZ.
    If seriously, one serviceman hinted to me that this thing (product) is called "Pencil" and is used to restrict the penetration of the curious into certain waters that need to be closed.
    It is used as follows: it descends vertically above the bottom and scratches the inscription "DANGER MINEN" along the perimeter of the water area.
    The sonar of the adversary, scanning the bottom of the Gus, seeing the inscription on the manitator, usually retreats, since he understands little in our naval humor, and somehow he doesn’t want to check this joke on himself.
    1. +1
      20 November 2019 21: 10
      [quote] ["DANGER MINEN" / quote]
      This is to immediately understand the Germans and the British! What for!
  22. 0
    19 November 2019 21: 21
    A few weeks ago, in the comments about the GUGI courts, I wrote that I did not hear much noise from the West about "Zvezdochka" and "Academician Alexandrov". Well, the experts have woken up to ask the parliaments for money - otherwise the Russians and the Poseidons will start up, and the communication cables will be gnawed through the water. "Zvezdochka" in the Atlantic made a good fool, still hiccups in NATO, but times go by, ships are improving ... Something did not fully respond to my comment - the tank is closed with a deck on the academician, in contrast to the "Zvezdochka", so that on it covertly deploy Zircon and S-500.
  23. +2
    20 November 2019 09: 41
    For some reason, it seems that it was the captain of the vessel who stole a piece of pipe somewhere to make a drain in his country house. Unlike Poseidon. )))
  24. +4
    20 November 2019 14: 44
    Strange people!

    Here's what: SHAFTED, rusty, unpainted, oblong, unmasked, sticking out in sight, slightly wrinkled and looking like a sonar buoy ????

    Clearly !!! Secret POSEIDON!
    America tremble!
  25. +2
    20 November 2019 15: 46
    Enemies of Russia, tremble. You will die, and we will go to heaven. Normal article full of patriotic screech. Kremleboty frolic and minus those who do not believe in cartoons. And what exploded there when tested in the summer in the North?
  26. +3
    20 November 2019 18: 42
    For Poseidon lovers, it’s time to study the hydrodynamics of bullshit for the layman. As for me, it’s more efficient, but like Borey with nuclear charges on board, you don’t have to break any laws of physics and it's completely lies.
  27. +4
    20 November 2019 21: 19
    It looks like a gyro disintegrator of a powerful dredger.
    1. +2
      21 November 2019 12: 08
      It looks like it.
  28. -2
    21 November 2019 21: 14
    Quote: lexus
    All this "weapon based on new physical principles" is simpler than a wunderwafle, in a country with abolished science and destroyed education - this is a dummy for the blindly "believers", victims of the Unified State Exam and pensioners who are out of their minds. Look around you already - your king is NAKED!

    Well, of course, the Japanese driller Lexus where Russian science is before your Toyota, this is science. Japan is not this for you ...
  29. 0
    25 November 2019 07: 00

    global warming "- a myth, a fairy tale for fools and politicians

    With such statements, the author confirms his rightful place in the thrash list of this site.
  30. 0
    14 December 2019 12: 10
    Quote: lexus
    All this "weapon based on new physical principles" is simpler than a wunderwafle, in a country with abolished science and destroyed education - this is a dummy for the blindly "believers", victims of the Unified State Exam and pensioners who are out of their minds. Look around you already - your king is NAKED!

    Lexus, you wouldn’t be at odds with your opinions, but would go straight to the censor. Net or similar anti-Russian resources. And what does the USE have to do with it, and you have wronged our pensioners! Many of them, and in 70 years will give you a head start on a reason.
  31. 0
    14 December 2019 12: 13
    Quote: Rusland
    Quote: lexus
    You have nowhere to send. Brain is needed to develop mental thinking.

    Rudeness or all permissiveness? belay

    Both. We grew up such mu..kov in the 1990s and 20xx. Except those who, under the "DDT" and "TIME MACHINE", RAPED AND THE PORTBOY DOULE in the kitchens while we worked for defense and served in the Ministry of Defense.
  32. 0
    14 December 2019 12: 18
    Quote: Trigger-Happy
    The bridges are good, you can be proud, but there is nothing "supernatural" in them, an aircraft carrier is much more difficult to design and build. For the bridge to the Russky Island, the cables were made by the French, by the way, and foreign companies participated in the design and this is a normal practice. So banter about "unknown technologically advanced race" is not counted! And if you also pay attention to the purpose of construction and see if it has been fulfilled .......

    As you zadolbali, the sect "Witnesses of the aircraft carrier" them. Kaptsova! That you can't wait to bomb American shores?
  33. 0
    14 December 2019 12: 28
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: anykin
    You can not trust Putin, but trust the unknown Lexus ??

    Everything is simpler. "Svarog", "Sylvester", "Stroporez", the same "Lexus" - this is a local team of close-knit all-fighters.



    They also have a "dance", judging by the comments - your client is from there Yes

    Yes, I’m already sickened, to see not retired, but real MO colonels retired with similar thoughts. The coolest thing is that they are convinced that the socialists and communists :( Apparently those who skated like cheese in oil under the USSR, and now, as they live, they are also better than a collective farmer and grandmother with a pension of 10k rubles.
  34. 0
    14 December 2019 12: 30
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Yes, everything is simpler.

    Thank you, Roman, for revealing the connection between you and the “marshals”, suspecting them, now they are convinced that there is a secret organization of “grandfathers” who create lawlessness. Which of the marshals merges such pictures to you, I would like to get the same access. I have come to the self-organization of citizens in the fight against you like them, and do not be afraid, you want exclusivity and impunity.
    For the balance of power and the eradication of hazing, the site administration would like to thin out the Orthodox marshals and introduce the opposite side. Then you wouldn’t live freely on the site of you and your kind

    As you have already steamed lovers of wines, get laikos. A construct would be written instead of Vines and throwing shett into the discussion fan.
  35. 0
    14 December 2019 12: 35
    Quote: Trigger-Happy
    Quote: Igool
    And here my friend is lying

    what is a lie? more....

    Exactly lying.
  36. 0
    14 December 2019 12: 47
    Quote: Sasha_rulevoy
    Quote: Wedmak
    or releasing an antenna.


    If the depths are small, then okay. And in the ocean there are also five-kilometer depths. Will release a cable five kilometers long? And how will such a "Poseidon" fit? How thick should it be so as not to tear? What kind of buoy should be so as not to sink under the weight of such a cable? How to ensure that the buoy is not carried too far? Etc. The ascent option: while the device ascends from a five-kilometer depth, it will already lose a point with an error of plus or minus a kilometer. And how can he set the periscope? The submarine is easy - it has a wheelhouse where five meters of the periscope can be hidden. Where to hide the antenna in Poseidon? To avoid being flooded with waves all the time, it must be at least three meters long. How to put it inside, if the whole body is one and a half meters in diameter? And it is also necessary that the antenna does not overturn the torpedo on its side, the torpedo is round, there is no stability.

    Tes, I'll even guess what size this Poseidon BPA will be. The size in the forward midship and with a length of the instrument compartment (PA), at least half of the missile compartment on the nuclear submarine "Halibut". If you believe the materials of the open press, then in it the cable, for the spy PA was 11 km long (!). Well, such a thing the size of an NR-1. Here is how it was not wound such a length on any "spindle" of the propellers of the Tu-142K or oceanographic ships and submarines - I'm sorry I don't know.
  37. 0
    14 December 2019 12: 52
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Is this Poseidon?
    Then it looks like he hit the bottom a couple of times with stern. There are dents on it.

    Don’t boil over. This raised the Sakharov T-15 torpedo. More than 40 years at the bottom of Bermuda.
  38. 0
    14 December 2019 12: 57
    Quote: ua1osm
    I believe that both Poseidons and Vanguards are Comrade’s empty bluff. Putin, similar to Ronald Reagan's bluff about star wars. But that bluff rolled and devastated the USSR, and this one will not do it anymore. Anyone who knows the state of the defense industry of the Russian Federation can imagine this very well.

    Well, what about the cruiser "Ukraine" and "Saigak Dachny" - the most powerful super battleship in the Black Sea? How do you know the state of our military-industrial complex? But I know very well the state of the Ministry of Defense and your military-industrial complex. You can not erase them from 2006 to 2020.