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Another "light" of "Poseidon"

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Mr. Sutton, a fairly well-known scholar of the topic of secret submarine warfare, sabotage submarine forces and assets, and submarines in general, both conventional and sabotage, the author of books and directories on such products, published in Forbes a very interesting article about the next " light "associated with a" self-propelled underwater vehicle "of unlimited radius with a nuclear power plant" Poseidon "(considered to have the code GRAU 2М39) system weaponsknown as "Status-6". Or with one of the systems related to Poseidon.


Easter egg on video


There were even publications on the site where the authors considered 2М39 a "hoax", "a cut of money" or something far from reality. But this program is real and very close to successful completion. And in general, a “hoax” that lasts (without ancestor programs) from the beginning of the 90's, on which three submarines have already been built, of which two are nuclear, at least another 3 or 4 will be built, and not only them! However, “a happy horseshoe doesn’t care whether you believe in it or not - it already works,” as one smart man of Anglo-Saxon nationality used to say, so little depends on faith.

Mr. Sutton’s article is entitled “Video suggests that the Russian Poseidon has a version launched from the seabed.” What kind of video are you talking about? About the news story of the GTRK "Pomorie" - the Arkhangelsk branch of VGTRK. The plot was released on the channel on 4 of June this year - in any case, it appeared on the YouTube channel "Pomerania" just then ("Academician Alexandrov" at the final stage of testing ) And until recently, this plot had less than 400 views (now there are already thousands under 1,5, which is also very little). It was not Sutton himself who found it, but a certain Twitter user. The plot talked about reaching the final stage of testing the oceanographic research vessel (OIP) of the 20183 project "Academician Aleksandrov", which was freshly built at the Severodvinsk Zvezdochka, built at the request of that same GUI Navy.

Zvezdochka and nuclear scientists


The reinforced ice class vessel with a displacement of 5800 tons is officially intended for research and scientific work on the shelf of the Arctic seas, ensuring the operation of Arctic marine equipment, rescue operations in the Arctic. OIC is able to monitor areas of activity fleet, areas of testing, locations of potentially dangerous bottom objects, areas of economic activity, install bottom navigation, control and measuring and other equipment in them.

The dual purpose of the vessel allows search and rescue operations, dredging, towing, installation and reloading of military and special equipment, inspection and recovery of sunken marine equipment, including objects of potential or actual environmental danger. So, in any case, officially reported. But the mere fact that the ship belongs to the GUGI already leads to suspicions. The vessel is the third sistership in the series launched by the Zvezdochka vessel, of the 20180 project, initially declared as "universal naval armament transport", then re-qualified as an "ice-class rescue tugboat designed for search and rescue operations, ensuring testing of naval weapons and equipment" . Also, the vessel can search, examine sunken objects, for which it carries on board an inhabited self-propelled deep-sea rescue vehicle of the Bester type and uninhabited types of the Tiger and Quantum.

Serves "Asterisk" in the Northern Fleet, in the White Sea Navy. The next in the series was “Maritime Arms Transport” (MTV) of the Akademik Kovalev Ave. The change in numbers is associated with import substitution and the replacement of a number of important ship units and systems with Russian ones. The vessel “Akademik Makeev” of the 20180TV project (again MTV, but “import-substituted”), with the expected commissioning date next year, will test it soon. And the fifth ship, “Academician Laverov”, has not yet been laid.

As we can see, 4 of the 5 ships are named after unconditionally great people, connected by one topic. We are talking about a nuclear missile shield and a sword of our Motherland. Academician Makeev was the general designer of naval strategic missile systems, which created, in fact, most of the domestic SLBMs. And the current Sineva-Liner SLBM R-29РМУ2.1 is also the successor of the Makeevka R-29РМ design, the adoption of which V.P. Makeev did not see. Is that the P-30 "Bulava" stands apart, and then, it would be unlikely that without Makeevka luggage would have been created. Academician A.P. Aleksandrov is one of the creators of the USSR atomic project and an associate of the famous Beard - Kurchatov. On his initiative, nuclear power plants were created for the first atomic icebreaker "Lenin" and our first nuclear submarine K-3. And for the rest too, by the way. He was engaged in the topic of liquid helium and superconductivity, was the supervisor of one of our most powerful reactors for nuclear power plants - RBMK-1000. Academician S.N. Kovalev is the permanent general designer of domestic SSBNs, from the 658 project to the 941 project, and 92 submarine nuclear submarines were built on his projects. Well, Academician N.P. Laverov also from the same galaxy - he did a lot to solve issues with uranium ores and ensure the complete independence of our country in a strategically important issue (he did a lot of things, including even studying climate change, and proved quite clearly that the so-called "global warming "- a myth, a fairy tale for fools and politicians).

"Product" aft. What is it?


But back to the plot and OIC "Academician Alexandrov." In this story, we see that at the stern of the ship, right in the transom cutout, there is a huge "product", very similar to the "Poseidon" in caliber and length. But before the vessel was not mentioned in connection with the Status-6 program, Sutton notes. Although the lead “Zvezdochka” back in 2014, when there was still more than a year left until the first specially controlled discharge of “Status”, it participated in some tests of the “new weapon” in cooperation with the experimental submarine B-90 “Sarov”, which is now known as a test base for Poseidon and his friends. Mr. Sutton believes that the entire series of these vessels is probably connected with the Status-6 program, or with it and other top-secret projects under the patronage of the Navy GUGI. And Zvyozdochka, in his opinion, quite coping with the tasks of catching Poseidon prototypes after testing and delivering them to the coastal base, obviously, can not cope with more capacious tasks of the program. Therefore, it required an "oceanographer" with a large covered hangar on it, which would fit such a weapon as the "Poseidon". In addition, the Academician Aleksandrov is equipped with a unique set of cranes, including deep-sea cranes and a large deck crane with a carrying capacity of more than 100 tons. It is considered by many, including Sutton, that the approximate weight of the 25 meter torpedo is about 1,5 m in caliber and is located in approximately this area. In addition, the video shows that the product can both be advanced from its position at the stern in the transom cutout into the water, and can be taken out of the water. Probably, it gets to the stern from the very hangar, where it prepares for launch or is serviced after returning.



Screenshots from the video of GTRK "Pomorie", where you can see a product similar in size to "Poseidon"

Sutton explains the differences in the appearance of the product at the stern and the very presence of such a ship by the fact that what we see in the video is not the “Poseidon” for the submarine’s torpedo tubes, but a different version of the products. The American believes that we are talking about "Scythian" (this mysterious product became known even before the appearance of the first fragmentary information about the "Status-6"). According to one version, “Scythian” is “Poseidon”. According to another, this is the bottom version of Poseidon, that is, in advance in a special period, placed somewhere on the sea’s bottom from the carrier’s base, from where, upon receipt of the order, it starts towards the target. Such a self-transporting mine torpedo, but vice versa. According to the third version, this is not a super torpedo, but an ICBM of a bottom launch (which pops up before launch in a transport and launch container to the surface). There are other versions. Sutton believes that this is the second version - the bottom version of the giant torpedo. However, the idea of ​​ground rockets and even torpedoes in itself contains a lot of reasons for criticism. For example, how to ensure the safety and integrity of products before launch? How to serve? But how to take products back if they were not needed (the war did not start)? All these issues are, in principle, resolvable, but especially in the case of ICBMs there are too many of them, and the sheepskin may not be worth the cost. With a torpedo it’s easier, especially if the vessel is of an ice class - it will be even more difficult for the enemy to find them in the Arctic than elsewhere, but there are enough questions there that are difficult to find.

Another version


As for the product (or layout) at the stern of Aleksandrov, maybe it’s not about any bottom version (if it exists at all)? Maybe this is one of the options for Poseidon, say, equipped not with different thermonuclear warheads of different (large or special) power, but equipped with, for example, search engines? Such an option was once reported not so long ago, but as peaceful, but it may well be that the device is simply being created to ensure the combat operation of the Poseidon itself. Search for targets for hiding in-depth drums, control smaller underwater search drones and the like. This version seems to be quite adequate. Other options are possible - we, in the end, know little about all the potential capabilities of such devices and the variety of its options.

There is one more question: why, in fact, such a "drain" of information about the appointment of "Academician Aleksandrov" was allowed? Perhaps, of course, this is an accidental puncture - they did not keep track. But with the topic of this level of secrecy, even after the disclosure of part of the general information on it, this seems unlikely, although this happens. But perhaps it was just such a delayed in time leak (not very successful, because random people found the information by chance), which should eventually get to someone on the table in Washington. In order to be smarter and more accommodating and not act to the detriment of the United States first of all by its extremely ill-considered actions in the field of strategic stability, in particular, to extend the START-3. And then suddenly some other “leak” will happen, and quite someone with a heart will burst into flames on the Potomac. We still have a lot of things in the storeroom.
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  1. Simargl
    Simargl 19 November 2019 06: 06 New
    +44
    As for the product (or layout) at the stern of "Alexandrov"
    The version that this is a seismic radar, which is put to the bottom, "knocks" on it and "listens" to the response - for the LOOKS?
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      1. kupitman
        kupitman 19 November 2019 10: 30 New
        -46
        I also agree, it's just a round container of waste and food block, stupidly dumped into the sea and that's it, but in the article about some kind of Poseidon
      2. IvanT
        IvanT 19 November 2019 10: 56 New
        +24
        Well done! It worked! You can go to the cashier for coppers))
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          1. IvanT
            IvanT 19 November 2019 12: 13 New
            +15
            Bayan button accordion !!!! And that the training manual has ended. So come to Russia, we will give you a new one))))
            1. illi
              illi 19 November 2019 16: 44 New
              -4
              Bayan button accordion !!!! And that the training manual has ended. So come to Russia, we will give you a new one))))

              Yes, he is in the Russian Federation and is sitting. You really somehow share with each other manuals. Visit each other with seminars. And then the trollin is not tasty at all.
              1. IvanT
                IvanT 19 November 2019 17: 03 New
                +2
                How did you define this ?! Or believe in words?
                1. illi
                  illi 19 November 2019 17: 21 New
                  -5
                  Well, I’m where I’m sitting and working on advanced manuals. And so I know everything))
                  But faith is closer to you. so take your word for it.
                  1. IvanT
                    IvanT 19 November 2019 17: 33 New
                    +1
                    It's a little ....
          2. Rusland
            Rusland 19 November 2019 13: 43 New
            +19
            Quote: lexus
            You have nowhere to send. Brain is needed to develop mental thinking.

            Rudeness or all permissiveness? belay
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 20 November 2019 00: 21 New
              +3
              Allowed rudeness)))
        2. smart ass
          smart ass 19 November 2019 13: 44 New
          0
          Where give unspecified?
          1. IvanT
            IvanT 19 November 2019 13: 50 New
            -2
            Do not disappoint me .....
            1. smart ass
              smart ass 19 November 2019 15: 43 New
              -2
              And you can’t joke
        3. stalki
          stalki 20 November 2019 09: 29 New
          +1
          Well done! It worked! You can go to the cashier for coppers))
          will not give, cheaply worked. lol
      3. Artemiy_2
        Artemiy_2 19 November 2019 11: 12 New
        +15
        I sent a complaint for flood and spam. Tired of
        1. Rusland
          Rusland 19 November 2019 13: 45 New
          +15
          Quote: Artemiy_2
          I sent a complaint for flood and spam. Tired of

          I agree, my friend and support. yes
      4. Vdi73
        Vdi73 19 November 2019 11: 13 New
        +8
        And you go with the oval, that’s the one to all the kings, king.
      5. dvina71
        dvina71 19 November 2019 11: 59 New
        +27
        Quote: lexus
        in a country with liquidated science and education destroyed - this is a dummy for the blindly "believers", victims of the exam, and pensioners who have lost their minds

        And this apparently built an unknown technologically advanced race ..


        1. Rusland
          Rusland 19 November 2019 13: 51 New
          +8
          Quote: dvina71
          Quote: lexus
          in a country with liquidated science and education destroyed - this is a dummy for the blindly "believers", victims of the exam, and pensioners who have lost their minds

          And this apparently built an unknown technologically advanced race ..



          My friend, he’s so young, as before, we have yard guys here to hold him, kick him, and he rakes, the Americans are also trying to open our air defense hi
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        2. Trigger-Happy
          Trigger-Happy 19 November 2019 15: 22 New
          -9
          The bridges are good, one can be proud of, but there is nothing "supernatural" in them, it is much more difficult to design and build an aircraft carrier. By the way, the French manufactured the bridge to the Russky Island, and foreign companies participated in the design and this is normal practice. So the banter about the "unknown technologically advanced race" is not counted! And if you still pay attention to the purpose of construction and to delve into whether it is completed .......
          1. anykin
            anykin 20 November 2019 00: 35 New
            +6
            Quote: Trigger-Happy
            So the banter about the "unknown technologically advanced race" is not counted!

            From someone we already heard about a regional state with an economy torn to shreds.
            1. Trigger-Happy
              Trigger-Happy 20 November 2019 17: 17 New
              +3
              And what is different with the economy? What country do you live in? Figures look, real GDP growth is? Is there an increase in citizens' income? What is Russia's share in world GDP? The economy is not torn to shreds of course, but is in poor condition. The share of income from the sale of minerals in GDP only increased during the reign of Pu ... and he promised to reduce it.
              1. anykin
                anykin 20 November 2019 17: 54 New
                +3
                Quote: Trigger-Happy
                And what is different with the economy?

                Firstly -Good where we are not.
                Secondly, we will return to the source of my and your comments:
                Quote: lexus
                All these are “weapons based on new physical principles”, simpler than wunderwaffles

                You can not trust Putin, but trust the unknown Lexus ??
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                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 21 November 2019 09: 31 New
                    +8
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Yes, everything is simpler. “Svarog”, “Sylvester”, “Stroporez”, the same “Lexus” - this is a local team of united all-mutters.

                    It is not surprising, Roman, that people with similar thoughts support each other. It would be surprising if they put the pluses to you. By the way, you didn’t add everyone to the boxes — the list is bigger.
                    If you are claiming justice, then you need to lay out a few more screenshots:
                    1. Who did you negate so much that you became a sergeant from the colonels?
                    2. Who helps you to become an officer during the day from a sergeant with your complete silence,
                    3. I would like to see the same screenshots with your like-minded people.
                    In the meantime, you, in the plural, hiding behind large stars and remaining virtually unpunished,
                    make a selection on the site. So we are waiting for a self-disclosure session, although I’m sure your gut is thin. That's because of the corner, is it your way !!!
                    This is an example of the hazing that we recently discussed. Only there is no machine in the hands, sometimes it’s a pity
                  2. New Year day
                    New Year day 21 November 2019 10: 12 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Yes, everything is simpler.

                    Thank you, Roman, for revealing the connection between you and the “marshals”, suspecting them, now they are convinced that there is a secret organization of “grandfathers” who create lawlessness. Which of the marshals merges such pictures to you, I would like to get the same access. I have come to the self-organization of citizens in the fight against you like them, and do not be afraid, you want exclusivity and impunity.
                    For the balance of power and the eradication of hazing, the site administration would like to thin out the Orthodox marshals and introduce the opposite side. Then you wouldn’t live freely on the site of you and your kind
                  3. Stas157
                    Stas157 21 November 2019 10: 22 New
                    +6
                    Golovan, where did you get this ??


                    This info is available only to moderators! Who merges info to you? Tersky? You passed it now!
                    Can’t you show me a screen?
                  4. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 21 November 2019 17: 49 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Quote: anykin
                    You can not trust Putin, but trust the unknown Lexus ??

                    Yes, everything is simpler. “Svarog”, “Sylvester”, “Stroporez”, the same “Lexus” - this is a local team of united all-mutters.



                    They have a "dance", judging by the comments - your client is just from there yes

                    Mmyayayaya ......, this is definitely beyond the scope ..... I ask you, lay out the screen, who blurts out my minus!
                    I didn’t know that everything is so bad and even worse belay
                    The next step should be when you post personal correspondence fellow
                    You guys really have nothing to do? fool
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 21 November 2019 17: 55 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      it's definitely beyond ...

                      Man, watch yourself ...

                      Quote: Stroporez
                      lay out the screen, who blurts me out

                      Well, you know - there is some kind of order ... whether it is, or not. But here is your "order", a small composition - on the screen, dispute wink

                      Quote: Stroporez
                      I didn’t know that everything is so bad and even worse

                      And what is it you, you military man right up to the bones crossed, so upset something?

                      I do not understand request
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 21 November 2019 18: 32 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Well, you know - there is some kind of order ... whether it is, or not. But here is your "order", a small composition - on the screen, dispute

                        Gy laughing laughing laughing
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        And what is it you, you military man right up to the bones crossed, so upset something?

                        I do not understand

                        I was very pleased good Have you ever picked up mushrooms?) laughing
                  5. dirk182
                    dirk182 25 November 2019 22: 13 New
                    -3
                    nobly merged) in the training manual apparently did not take into account
                2. Trigger-Happy
                  Trigger-Happy 26 November 2019 15: 01 New
                  -1
                  Quote: anykin
                  but trust the unknown Lexus ??

                  I don’t trust anyone, it’s dangerous, even my own eyes sometimes fail.
              2. Alexey LK
                Alexey LK 25 November 2019 18: 17 New
                +1
                Quote: Trigger-Happy
                And what is different with the economy?

                And who has the economy "all right" now? Can you list specifically?
                Quote: Trigger-Happy
                real GDP growth is there?

                What is definitely not there is the inflation of nominal values ​​due to the printing press, financial derivatives, stock market bubbles, Internet startups of dubious profitability, arm-twisting of allies for the sale of a military illiquid, etc. etc.
                Quote: Trigger-Happy
                Is there an increase in citizens' income?

                Since 1999 - of course there is! Dollar millionaires approx. 250 thousand people - this is only official! And a very, very low unemployment rate by world standards. Stratification is another matter.
                Quote: Trigger-Happy
                What is Russia's share in world GDP?

                And what do you need so that “everything is in order”? The US has also fallen from almost 50% immediately after WWII to less than 20% now - i.e. almost 30 p.p. - and what, is there really screaming about the disaster? Or is there no “rummaging” in the economy?
                1. Trigger-Happy
                  Trigger-Happy 26 November 2019 16: 55 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexey LK
                  Since 1999 - of course there is! Dollar millionaires approx. 250 thousand people

                  Interestingly, we have a lot of engineers, teachers, doctors, etc. dollar millionaires ?, by citizens I meant them. Don’t ask anyone, they’re injecting money on his uncle for a penny from ZP to ZP, and whoever has something left simply has no time to spend, I exaggerate of course, but the essence is this. From 2001 to 2007 I worked for the defense industry, it was somehow not a lot. The real growth was when he went to a large international company and there he moved from scratch until 2012, and then everything was cool, to no avail, without connections and lobbying. And since the 13th year, due to strong inflation, a drop in the real level of income has led again in the 2000s, with the only difference that over the years it has acquired many, that's it! And now we take a slice, for example, the 2004th and 2019th, and that as a result turns out, yes the same for the same plus minus taking into account inflation. And do not forget about the lost 15 years of precious time ......
                  Quote: Alexey LK
                  And what do you need so that “everything is in order”?

                  the numbers are not important to me, but as practice shows, the higher it is, the more remains from the RFP to RFP for the engineer. The NASA engineer’s is 5 times higher than that of the engineer of Roscosmos, and that of Comrade Rogozin, on the contrary, is higher than that of his colleague from NASA, is it not logical, right? There would have been successes in space and hell would have been with Rogozin, so they are not there, but he has more successes in buying real estate for large sums than he even earned during his entire stay at the head. And the word "Oriental" in the language spin immediately, ..... pah damn ....
                  1. Alexey LK
                    Alexey LK 27 November 2019 11: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: Trigger-Happy
                    Interestingly, we have a lot of engineers, teachers, doctors, etc. dollar millionaires ?, by citizens I meant them.

                    I am sure that there are few, but where are many of them? In addition to American doctors, of course - there they have just sky-high incomes. But what is still not enough is a normal active struggle for their rights with the help of, for example, trade unions. Indeed, between the dull whining and senseless Swamp aggression there are reasonable intermediate effective options. The same engineers from the East - didn’t they see from the very beginning how everything went? Unfortunately, our people, though talented and hardworking, are naive and straightforward. How to shoe a flea, so savvy, sometimes just amazing, but how to worry about your interests, and without baseness in relation to others, so where does that savvy go ?!
              3. 9lvariag
                9lvariag 14 December 2019 12: 24 New
                0
                And you unfortunate economist do not tell the structure of budget revenues USA & GB: by revenue. And do not play the fool that you do not know what I mean ?! 2/3 of the income of these countries, the consequences of WWII: this is the so-called "brain drain", royalties, the purchase of securities and investments, financial and economic services, expert services and so on, which is not related to the manufacturing sector of the economy. :) Something like this ....
            2. dirk182
              dirk182 25 November 2019 22: 06 New
              -1
              no not like this! In our state, regions with torn economies. Except some. Well, of course, the main holders of the Russian common fund. They always have wage growth, GDP and the like.
          2. Igool
            Igool 20 November 2019 02: 26 New
            +3
            Quote: Trigger-Happy
            The bridges are good, you can be proud, but there is nothing "supernatural" in them

            And here my friend is lying. Google, why the rumor so persistently that the Crimean bridge will not be built never? And for one read about the Black Sea bottom.
            And then, you can take an interest in the technologies used to obtain the desired result, of which no one had imagined from Russia.
            1. Trigger-Happy
              Trigger-Happy 20 November 2019 17: 45 New
              -2
              Quote: Igool
              And here my friend is lying

              what is a lie? more....
          3. Alexey LK
            Alexey LK 25 November 2019 18: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: Trigger-Happy
            aircraft carrier design and build is much more difficult

            Quote: Trigger-Happy
            pay attention to the goal

            Well, so why is he?
        3. Private89
          Private89 19 November 2019 16: 35 New
          -2
          It is good when the structures and ships built serve the public good, and even better when they are in the public domain. One thing is frustrating when they report on TV about the construction of some enterprise or plant, and it seems like it feels like development is underway. Few people ask who owns this enterprise, who benefits from it.
          1. Igool
            Igool 20 November 2019 02: 30 New
            +2
            So you build yourself and you will go profit in your pocket. And will you pay taxes to the state, or do you not see state benefits in this? Oh yes, I forgot that this is not what worries you. And why does the one who built it, and not you, make money at the plant?
            1. Private89
              Private89 21 November 2019 02: 50 New
              +6
              But by the way, who is building the plants, probably the oligarch personally digs the foundation pit and drives in piles or all the same workers. And who works at this plant, who by their own labor produces the final product, also an oligarch? And from where did this gentleman take that kind of money to build a plant, earned by personal labor? Or appropriated the fruits of another's labor?
            2. dirk182
              dirk182 25 November 2019 22: 17 New
              -2
              Quote: Igool
              And you will pay taxes to the state

              in our country it is not customary to pay taxes to the state, are you ...! Profit must be taken offshore.
        4. illi
          illi 19 November 2019 16: 47 New
          +6
          And this apparently built an unknown technologically advanced race ..
          So noble Tajiks have not yet called))
      6. loki565
        loki565 19 November 2019 12: 09 New
        +21
        All this “weapon based on new physical principles”, simpler than a child prodigy, in a country with liquidated science and destroyed education, is a dummy for the blindly “believers”, victims of the Unified State Examination and pensioners who have lost their minds. Take a look around - the king is Naked!

        Do not lie in Ukraine there is no exam)))
        1. 123456789
          123456789 20 November 2019 17: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: loki565
          Do not lie in Ukraine there is no exam)))

          But we have visa-free! Gasless! Bezmosk!
      7. Bykov.
        Bykov. 19 November 2019 14: 22 New
        +10
        Quote: lexus
        All this “weapon based on new physical principles”, simpler than a child prodigy, in a country with liquidated science and destroyed education, is a dummy for the blindly “believers”, victims of the Unified State Examination and pensioners who have lost their minds. Take a look around - the king is Naked!

        Specify which country you are writing about?
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        1. anykin
          anykin 20 November 2019 00: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Trigger-Happy
          backlog comes to an end soviet

          Soviet, this is a special case of Russian.
          1. dirk182
            dirk182 25 November 2019 22: 23 New
            -1
            this is not a special case, it was a unique chance that will no longer be presented
            1. anykin
              anykin 25 November 2019 23: 45 New
              +1
              "it was a unique chance that will no longer be presented"
              You gave a definition of a special case.
      9. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 20 November 2019 04: 23 New
        +1
        Lexus, do you often meet him, for example, in a bathhouse?
      10. g1v2
        g1v2 20 November 2019 11: 08 New
        +1
        The dog barks - the caravan goes on. While you are choking with hatred and drool, you are struggling in hysteria, megaprojects are being built in Russia, the army is being re-equipped, megaproductions and dozens of bridges are being built. roads, dozens of schools and kindergartens, major cities are being rebuilt. . Well, cartoons .... The dagger and overexposure is already in the army. The first vanguards will stand before the end of the year. Zircons - on trials. Sarmat, too. The first carrier of Poseidon should be delivered next year. Even if the tests drag on, they will not move for a year. PM, YOU CAN BELIEVE IN "CARTOONS" AND THE EXISTENCE OF THE CRIMEAN BRIDGE OR DO NOT BELIEVE - REALITIES DO NOT give a damn about it. wink
        All that remains for you is to fight in hysterics and throw shovels of shit at the fan. You are pathetic, monsieur. And in vain you took yourself the nickname Lexus - the maximum is Zaporozhets. Or rather the walk-behind tractor is yours. hi
        1. Trigger-Happy
          Trigger-Happy 20 November 2019 17: 41 New
          +3
          Hatred emanates from such commentators and comments. What are mega-projects and mega-production? With Vostochny can not figure out how many years. Let’s talk about kindergartens in more detail. In our city, a millionaire has a problem in order for a child to be a child. to arrange a garden, now I’m tormented myself, no la la, there are new ones built, but they are many times less than those closed in the 90s. With schools the same crap. Of course, to believe in cartoons and be proud of rockets is much simpler than pulling a family with 2 children, brains are not needed. So miss your fan further and look under your feet more often, otherwise you never mind .......
          1. dirk182
            dirk182 25 November 2019 22: 26 New
            -1
            Quote: Trigger-Happy
            With Vostochny can not figure out how many years.

            why can't? It remains to steal a little more and that's all) and figure it out.
        2. Varyag71
          Varyag71 22 November 2019 07: 45 New
          +1
          Go check your head, it looks like it hurts you
        3. dirk182
          dirk182 25 November 2019 22: 25 New
          -3
          Well, it turns out what YOU-URAPATRIOT
      11. Zusul
        Zusul 20 November 2019 15: 38 New
        0
        It’s probably hard to live with such a reality in my head ...
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 21 November 2019 01: 10 New
          -2
          It’s probably hard to live with such a reality in my head ...


          but the team of patriots-high-level-life of the site, which is known to everyone here, has been enduring loudly and steadfastly for many years. Mark on the order.

          They are power here. After each post they are here - Putin has a panic in the Kremlin and Medvedev is packing his bags. They have already chosen Grudinin as president of the election and have long decided that it is time for the whole country to go somewhere in the other direction.

          Its own reality. Funny revolutionize. This is a proxy revolution, a hybrid battle of the whole platoon. There you still need to look at citizenship and draw organizational conclusions.

          Although even Solovyov has his own Kovtun. Apparently the site team fumbles what the audience needs)
      12. vka
        vka 20 November 2019 21: 33 New
        -3
        YES YES Putin is hiding money from pensioners who have lost their minds !!!!!!!!!!!!
    2. 9lvariag
      9lvariag 14 December 2019 12: 07 New
      0
      Or a station analogue of American SOSUS. I do not think that the hydrophone stations of our "potential friends" in the amount of GAS from a civil fishing seiner. Moreover, the seismic buoy or hydrophone buoy GPS (passive system) must also carry a current source for the equipment. In general, the news is pleasant, it is a pity that little attention was paid to stationary hydrophone search systems off our coast and in our zones of military and industrial interests! The Yankers would not have been so impudent with their submarines, and then the winning books would not have been issued.
  2. Amateur
    Amateur 19 November 2019 06: 06 New
    +8
    A security team patrolling in the vicinity of the plant found onlookers on the shore who wanted to see the newly launched ship with their own eyes. Its purpose was not clear to everyone, and this gave rise to lively debate. The guards acting according to the instructions began to urge people to disperse and did it as follows:
    “Comrades, please disperse!” There is nothing interesting here - they launched the first nuclear submarine.
    Having received such a competent explanation, people dispersed with satisfaction.

    (The first Soviet atomic submarine. History of creation. Authors: Leonid Osipenko, Lev Zhiltsov, Nikolai Mormul)
  3. Waltasar
    Waltasar 19 November 2019 06: 38 New
    +24
    What kind of poseydonomaniya? Now will we see him in any cylindrical object?
    It can be anything from a seismic sensor to just a load for testing a crane for maximum depth / load capacity. And yes, it can be OH, but we are unlikely to know about it for sure.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 19 November 2019 08: 54 New
      +23
      Quote: Waltasar
      Now will we see him in any cylindrical object?
      Everything is strictly according to Freud: trees similar to bananas, etc ...
    2. sub307
      sub307 19 November 2019 09: 41 New
      0
      Rather, it is "Poseidonophobia."
      "Will we see him in any cylindrical object now?" Well, we’ll probably not “be”, but our sworn “partners” will be. Well, "run" to the pharmacy for soothing drugs!
    3. Winnie76
      Winnie76 19 November 2019 09: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Waltasar
      It can be anything from a seismic sensor to just a load for testing the crane to the maximum depth

      I agree. Only when deploying a series of Poseidons are required full-time ships for their transportation. For example, in the case of a submarine, in which case you will not go to any Rotterdam, you cannot even pass secretly through the strait. So the speed of construction of academics and the width of the cutaway in the transom hints ... Indirect confirmation that Poseidon is not a cartoon
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 19 November 2019 11: 01 New
        +6
        Quote: Winnie76
        you can’t even pass secretly through the strait.
        Do you know what the SP-2 is being built for?
        1. Waltasar
          Waltasar 19 November 2019 11: 31 New
          +17
          Quote: Simargl
          Do you know what the SP-2 is being built for?

          It is possible that the pipe Poseidon bullet like pneumatic mail)
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 19 November 2019 14: 12 New
            +7
            Quote: Waltasar
            It is possible that the Poseidon can be pulled along the pipe, like pneumatic mail
            SP-2.
            The start of Poseidon. Doublet!
            drinks
        2. Winnie76
          Winnie76 19 November 2019 13: 29 New
          +6
          Quote: Simargl
          Do you know what the SP-2 is being built for?

          For money. Do you have other information?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 19 November 2019 13: 45 New
            +4
            Quote: Winnie76
            Quote: Simargl
            Do you know what the SP-2 is being built for?

            For money. Do you have other information?

            good laughing good

            Right. Radio station - on an armored train (c) yes
            1. Winnie76
              Winnie76 19 November 2019 14: 46 New
              +2
              Quote: Golovan Jack


              Correctly. Radio station - on an armored train (c)

              And you are here, buddy. They promised to ignore me forever and again and deceived me. Do you, as a chemical physicist and a luminous basic, have something to say on the subject of Poseidons?
            2. Winnie76
              Winnie76 19 November 2019 15: 12 New
              0
              I wanted to ask. Do you always put emoticons at the end of a sentence? Well, something like a “laugh here” signal, like Petrosyan’s offscreen laughter. Or just instead of punctuation marks. Or maybe this is an occupational disease of all the luminaries of BASIC?
    4. Albert1988
      Albert1988 19 November 2019 22: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Waltasar
      What kind of poseydonomaniya? Now will we see him in any cylindrical object?

      Well, it’s not we who will see him, but “they” and, it seems, already see him laughing
  4. Wedmak
    Wedmak 19 November 2019 06: 40 New
    +6
    So they wrote that Poseidon will be guided by the bottom topography on its route. Now the question is: where can I get maps of the bottom of the route and how to get the best route? In my opinion, the answer to the photo is the same Poseidon, only in the unarmed version, with powerful sonars and the usual GLONASS navigator. He walks slowly, scans the bottom, checking the location from the navigation satellites, naturally floating up around it or releasing the antenna.
    If there is a nuclear power plant there, it can take months, periodically transmitting data to such ships.
    1. jonht
      jonht 19 November 2019 07: 42 New
      +15
      For mapping, any vessel with a good sonar is suitable, and you still need to go after this device in the lapping, so as not to be stolen. The Chinese fishermen were already catching the Amer’s underwater drone. wassat
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 19 November 2019 08: 10 New
        +2
        And if this must be done covertly? To stomp an apparatus that goes at a depth of at least 200-300 meters, this still needs to be managed. In addition, I think for orientation, the resolution of the map should be greater than a conventional scan from a vessel on the surface. Even if you make only correction points, and not the entire route. In general, this contraption on a ship of unknown purpose.
        1. jonht
          jonht 19 November 2019 08: 33 New
          +9
          The trawl goes in the water column at different depths. Pelagic trawls from 0 are rough and almost to the bottom (pollock are caught at depths of up to 800 meters), bottom trawls generally creep along the ground at depths of up to 1,5 km, but more often up to 1000 meters. Although ours carried out deep trawling at 2K meters for scientific purposes.
          Disclosure at the trawls is very large, especially at the Pelagic. From 60-80 M vertically and 120-180 M along the horizontal.
          But with the purpose that HZ knows her - I agree.
      2. Skay
        Skay 19 November 2019 09: 49 New
        -3
        Yes, and for this device vseravno you need to go in the lap, that would not be stolen.

        Not necessary. Let them catch and take. Straight to the Pentagon. And we will give a command to undermine. fellow
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 19 November 2019 08: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: Wedmak
      conventional GLONASS navigator

      Under water?
      Laugh in the morning.
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 19 November 2019 10: 04 New
        0
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        Quote: Wedmak
        conventional GLONASS navigator

        Under water?
        Laugh in the morning.

        What is the difficulty of raising a buoy with an antenna for a minute, rewinding and moving further along the ANN? What made you laugh, share ...
        1. Yngvar
          Yngvar 19 November 2019 13: 08 New
          +6
          You're right! Even in pre-computer times, operational communication with the submarine was carried out using high-speed equipment (ABD) - the release of the antenna and the broadcasting of “compressed” information, similarly to reception ... Also for communication (water distribution medium), SDV transceivers (ultra-long-wavelength) were used range).
      2. hrych
        hrych 19 November 2019 10: 32 New
        +7
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        Laugh in the morning.

        For a depth map and a route, GLONASS is definitely needed. Just a surface ship, laying a route, with an echo sounder scans the terrain and depths, and according to GLONASS determines their coordinates. Therefore, when Poseidon himself goes by inertial, he will not need to come up and raise the buoys, he will determine his coordinates by depth and relief with his echo sounder. But to compile an electronic underwater map, GLONASS is definitely needed.
    3. Sasha_rulevoy
      Sasha_rulevoy 19 November 2019 21: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      or releasing an antenna.


      If the depths are small, then okay. And in the ocean, and five-kilometer depths are. Will release a cable five kilometers long? And how does this fit in Poseidon? How thick should it be so as not to tear? What kind of buoy should be in order not to sink in the weight of such a cable? How to make sure that the buoy is not far away? Etc. Variant about ascent: as long as the device emerges from a five-kilometer depth, it will already lose a point with an error of plus or minus a kilometer. And how can he set the periscope? The submarine is easy - it has a wheelhouse where you can hide five meters of the periscope. And where to hide the antenna in the "Poseidon"? So that it does not flood all the time with waves, it should be at least three meters long. How to shove it inside, if the entire body is one and a half meters in diameter? And it is also necessary that the antenna does not overturn the torpedo on its side, the torpedo is round, there is no stability.
  5. Alien From
    Alien From 19 November 2019 07: 45 New
    0
    This is a steel bolt in the coffin of mattresses in the photo, which is not clear to them here ....!
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 19 November 2019 08: 32 New
      +1
      The mattresses are not particularly scared, but I found the perfect target. Good old .. England!
  6. K-50
    K-50 19 November 2019 08: 03 New
    +15
    "Product" aft. What is it?

    Malchik, however. winked lol
    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 19 November 2019 11: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: K-50
      Malchik, however.
      in the sense of male?! clearly noticed ...
  7. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 19 November 2019 10: 13 New
    0
    Poseidon is always transported in a container. So this is a fake ...
  8. smaug78
    smaug78 19 November 2019 10: 32 New
    +1
    . As previously written kg / am ...
  9. bars1
    bars1 19 November 2019 10: 50 New
    +2
    Yes the gas pipe is it! Obviously, the insidious Russians, taking advantage of Germany’s greed, are building Nord Stream-3 to completely undermine the energy security of Europe!
  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 November 2019 11: 57 New
    +5
    Is this Poseidon?
    Then it looks like he hit the bottom a couple of times with stern. There are dents on it.
    1. Yngvar
      Yngvar 19 November 2019 13: 18 New
      +7
      Of course, this is not "Poseidon", this is the garden submersible pump "Kid" ...
    2. Sasha_rulevoy
      Sasha_rulevoy 19 November 2019 21: 21 New
      +3
      And rusty for some reason. In the open air for many years kept.
  11. Operator
    Operator 19 November 2019 12: 15 New
    +14
    "Poseidon" has not yet been adopted, and Israel already shy away from every submarine pipe and diapers in short supply laughing
  12. Goldmoskit
    Goldmoskit 19 November 2019 13: 12 New
    +4
    This HZ is designed on the seabed to scratch obscene inscriptions on the bottom for "too curious"
  13. Evil 55
    Evil 55 19 November 2019 14: 10 New
    +5
    It doesn’t look like a standalone device .. yes it doesn’t look like a sonar either .. But it’s very good to try to hang noodles on your ears using any culvert ..
  14. Trigger-Happy
    Trigger-Happy 19 November 2019 14: 38 New
    -6
    Quote: loki565
    Do not lie in Ukraine there is no exam)))

    Well, here about the outskirts I started my typhon, as I thought, stubborn !!!
    1. loki565
      loki565 19 November 2019 16: 06 New
      +4
      Well, here about the outskirts I started my typhon, as I thought, stubborn !!!

      And here you even managed to throw on the fan, where did you just get it)))
      The tsar is in our senility, but it’s not so bad, there are minds, there is a lot of money (among the retinue), the Soviet backlog came to an end, but it was powerful, so what has been done / is done can be very painful. But overall, the vector is negative.

      The bridges are good, one can be proud of, but there is nothing "supernatural" in them, it is much more difficult to design and build an aircraft carrier. By the way, the French manufactured the bridge to the Russky Island, and foreign companies participated in the design and this is normal practice. So the banter about the "unknown technologically advanced race" is not counted! And if you still pay attention to the purpose of construction and to delve into whether it is completed .......
      1. Trigger-Happy
        Trigger-Happy 19 November 2019 16: 34 New
        0
        Yes, that’s right, for stubborn ones even simple logical conclusions and discussion of existing problems are considered a scam, not everyone can see beyond their own nose ......
        1. loki565
          loki565 19 November 2019 16: 36 New
          0
          Yes, that’s right, for stubborn ones even simple logical conclusions and discussion of existing problems are considered a scam, not everyone can see beyond their own nose ......

          well this is too self-critical, it’s possible that not everything is so bad
  15. Polinom
    Polinom 19 November 2019 15: 35 New
    -6
    A model for dusting the brains of both the Americans and the Supreme. To cut, so to cut large-scale !!!
    1. Operator
      Operator 19 November 2019 16: 08 New
      +10
      You have a typical marginal disease - the maidan of the brain.

      How are you doing - jumping with joy for adding good strength to two armored boats, one tugboat and one tank (about the self-exploding mortar "Hammer" I tactfully keep silent)?

      And here we are, you understand, we are “tormented by everything” —Krymsky Bridge, “Vanguard”, Su-35, “Dagger”, “Boundary”, “Caliber”, “Ashen”, “Mace”, “Borey”, “Container” and “Voronezh”, from next year we will be “tormented” by Su-57, C-500, “Sarmatom”, and a year later - by “Poseidon”, “Petrel”, “Relight”, etc. etc.

      It’s much more important for you not to crush the water in the mortar at the VO, but to “dust” your brains with an individual biogas plant - winter is coming, Nord Stream-2 is whispering, and the piping system of the Outskirts has ordered a long life laughing
      1. Trigger-Happy
        Trigger-Happy 19 November 2019 16: 41 New
        -2
        This can only be written by a person far both from understanding what is behind each of these “scary" words and from common sense. Unfortunately, everyone will have to “suffer”, more precisely the majority.
      2. Polinom
        Polinom 23 November 2019 21: 18 New
        -1
        Andrei, among Topvar regulars, it has become bad form to conduct a polemic with you. I once stood on the sidelines, but I am gradually taking up the positions of Klimov and Timokhin.
        You have become just ridiculous.
        1. Operator
          Operator 23 November 2019 23: 01 New
          +8
          Morskie friski vseh krask, на go up to / in the VO - 800 meters of the depth of the sound channel in the Norwegian Sea, X-ray laser as a means of PLO ets bully
      3. dirk182
        dirk182 25 November 2019 22: 40 New
        -3
        Everything is fine, but here it is
        Quote: Operator
        and the piping system of the outskirts ordered a long life
        . Where do you come from then? You, that is not an appeal to your opponent, then a link to Ukraine. Is your head bad at all ???
  16. av58
    av58 19 November 2019 16: 35 New
    0
    If this is really Poseidon, then it looks like a deliberate drain of information, as it was with the Status-6 project. In general, it would be strange to assume that the transport of Poseidon will be only a boat. Ship and faster and easier. You can transport and launch even several pieces at once.
  17. ua1osm
    ua1osm 19 November 2019 17: 00 New
    -4
    I believe that both Poseidons and Vanguards are Comrade’s empty bluff. Putin, similar to Ronald Reagan's bluff about star wars. But that bluff rolled and devastated the USSR, and this one will not do it anymore. Anyone who knows the state of the defense industry of the Russian Federation can imagine this very well.
    1. Charik
      Charik 19 November 2019 19: 11 New
      0
      The Mi-28UB “Night Hunter” and Mi-8AMTSh party entered the 4th Army, but have you already fanned new Amer boats?
    2. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 19 November 2019 22: 22 New
      0
      In 2008, the Russian Air Force had 4 SU-34s. in 2018 --- several regiments. The same picture for other types of weapons
    3. anykin
      anykin 20 November 2019 00: 42 New
      -2
      Quote: ua1osm
      who knows the state of the defense industry of the Russian Federation, this is a very good idea.

      Therefore, the Kyrgyz Republic in Syria politely flew around our bases.
    4. Trigger-Happy
      Trigger-Happy 20 November 2019 17: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: ua1osm
      I believe that both Poseidons and Vanguards are Comrade’s empty bluff. Putin

      It makes no difference whether there is a bluff or not, there is a nuclear shield, it keeps us from rash actions and will hold it for a long time. Why do I need these cartoons?, .... give me success in the economy and in increasing the income of citizens !!!! For some reason cartoons for some reason are not shown, only fairy tales tell. Success in the defense for intelligence. channels get to opponents. And with cartoons you can only please kids, ...... silly they are .....
  18. vfvlasov
    vfvlasov 19 November 2019 19: 07 New
    0
    Is this a hint that all cargo and passenger ships will go with large torpedoes?
  19. Deathmaker
    Deathmaker 19 November 2019 19: 08 New
    +1
    This is the same thing that Russians are used to putting on their shoulder to their sworn friends. Real size.
  20. evgen1221
    evgen1221 19 November 2019 19: 47 New
    +1
    Poseidon is not Poseidon but is possible for gadgets or even chago cables. Westerners are now all round and long will be called Poseidon))))
  21. Goldmoskit
    Goldmoskit 19 November 2019 21: 03 New
    +4
    Development of the topic of HZ.
    Seriously, one servant hinted to me that this thing (product) is called the “Pencil” and is used to limit the penetration of the curious into certain waters that need to be closed.
    It is used this way: it descends vertically on top and it scratches the inscription "DANGER MINEN" around the perimeter of the water area.
    The sonar of the adversary, scanning the bottom of the Gus, seeing the inscription on the manitator, usually retreats, since he understands little in our naval humor, and somehow he doesn’t want to check this joke on himself.
    1. Paul Siebert
      Paul Siebert 20 November 2019 21: 10 New
      +1
      [quote] ["DANGER MINEN" / quote]
      This is to immediately understand the Germans and the British! What for!
  22. Tests
    Tests 19 November 2019 21: 21 New
    0
    A few weeks ago, in the comments about the GUGI courts, I wrote that I didn’t hear much noise from the West about Zvyozdochka and Akademika Aleksandrova. Well, experts woke up to ask the parliaments for money - otherwise the Russians and Poseidons would launch, and they would cut the communication cables through the water. The Zvyozdochka in the Atlantic laughed nicely, NATO hiccups so far, but times go on, ships are improving ... Something hasn’t completely responded to my comment - the tank is closed on the academician, unlike the Zvyozdochka, so that it secretly "Zircon" and S-500 to place.
  23. dsdelta
    dsdelta 20 November 2019 09: 41 New
    +2
    For some reason, it seems that it was the captain of the vessel who stole a piece of pipe somewhere to make a drain in his country house. Unlike Poseidon. )))
  24. Maks1995
    Maks1995 20 November 2019 14: 44 New
    +4
    Strange people!

    Here's what: SHAFTED, rusty, unpainted, oblong, unmasked, sticking out in sight, slightly wrinkled and looking like a sonar buoy ????

    Clearly !!! Secret POSEIDON!
    America tremble!
  25. Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 20 November 2019 15: 46 New
    +2
    Enemies of Russia, tremble. You will die, and we will go to heaven. Normal article full of patriotic screech. Kremleboty frolic and minus those who do not believe in cartoons. And what exploded there when tested in the summer in the North?
  26. Ivan Gorinich
    Ivan Gorinich 20 November 2019 18: 42 New
    +3
    For Poseidon lovers, it’s time to study the hydrodynamics of bullshit for the layman. As for me, it’s more efficient, but like Borey with nuclear charges on board, you don’t have to break any laws of physics and it's completely lies.
  27. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 20 November 2019 21: 19 New
    +4
    It looks like a gyro disintegrator of a powerful dredger.
    1. Goldmoskit
      Goldmoskit 21 November 2019 12: 08 New
      +2
      It looks like it.
  28. rusi4SPb
    rusi4SPb 21 November 2019 21: 14 New
    -2
    Quote: lexus
    All this “weapon based on new physical principles”, simpler than a child prodigy, in a country with liquidated science and destroyed education, is a dummy for the blindly “believers”, victims of the Unified State Examination and pensioners who have lost their minds. Take a look around - the king is Naked!

    Well, of course, the Japanese driller Lexus where Russian science is before your Toyota, this is science. Japan is not this for you ...
  29. Sckepsis
    Sckepsis 25 November 2019 07: 00 New
    0

    global warming "- a myth, a fairy tale for fools and politicians

    With such statements, the author confirms his rightful place in the thrash list of this site.
  30. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 14 December 2019 12: 10 New
    0
    Quote: lexus
    All this “weapon based on new physical principles”, simpler than a child prodigy, in a country with liquidated science and destroyed education, is a dummy for the blindly “believers”, victims of the Unified State Examination and pensioners who have lost their minds. Take a look around - the king is Naked!

    Lexus, you wouldn’t be at odds with your opinions, but would go straight to the censor. Net or similar anti-Russian resources. And what does the USE have to do with it, and you have wronged our pensioners! Many of them, and in 70 years will give you a head start on a reason.
  31. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 14 December 2019 12: 13 New
    0
    Quote: Rusland
    Quote: lexus
    You have nowhere to send. Brain is needed to develop mental thinking.

    Rudeness or all permissiveness? belay

    Both. These are the mu..kov we raised in the 1990s and 20xx. In addition to those who, under “DDT” and “TIME MACHINE,” RIDED AND PORTABLE DULE in the kitchens, while we worked on the defense and served in the Moscow Region.
  32. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 14 December 2019 12: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Trigger-Happy
    The bridges are good, one can be proud of, but there is nothing "supernatural" in them, it is much more difficult to design and build an aircraft carrier. By the way, the French manufactured the bridge to the Russky Island, and foreign companies participated in the design and this is normal practice. So the banter about the "unknown technologically advanced race" is not counted! And if you still pay attention to the purpose of construction and to delve into whether it is completed .......

    As you zadolbali, sect "Witness aircraft carrier" to them. Kaptsova! What can not wait to bomb the American coast?
  33. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 14 December 2019 12: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: anykin
    You can not trust Putin, but trust the unknown Lexus ??

    Yes, everything is simpler. “Svarog”, “Sylvester”, “Stroporez”, the same “Lexus” - this is a local team of united all-mutters.



    They have a "dance", judging by the comments - your client is just from there yes

    Yes, I’m already sickened, to see not retired, but real MO colonels retired with similar thoughts. The coolest thing is that they are convinced that the socialists and communists :( Apparently those who skated like cheese in oil under the USSR, and now, as they live, they are also better than a collective farmer and grandmother with a pension of 10k rubles.
  34. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 14 December 2019 12: 30 New
    0
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Yes, everything is simpler.

    Thank you, Roman, for revealing the connection between you and the “marshals”, suspecting them, now they are convinced that there is a secret organization of “grandfathers” who create lawlessness. Which of the marshals merges such pictures to you, I would like to get the same access. I have come to the self-organization of citizens in the fight against you like them, and do not be afraid, you want exclusivity and impunity.
    For the balance of power and the eradication of hazing, the site administration would like to thin out the Orthodox marshals and introduce the opposite side. Then you wouldn’t live freely on the site of you and your kind

    As you have already steamed lovers of wines, get laikos. A construct would be written instead of Vines and throwing shett into the discussion fan.
  35. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 14 December 2019 12: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Trigger-Happy
    Quote: Igool
    And here my friend is lying

    what is a lie? more....

    Exactly lying.
  36. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 14 December 2019 12: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Sasha_rulevoy
    Quote: Wedmak
    or releasing an antenna.


    If the depths are small, then okay. And in the ocean, and five-kilometer depths are. Will release a cable five kilometers long? And how does this fit in Poseidon? How thick should it be so as not to tear? What kind of buoy should be in order not to sink in the weight of such a cable? How to make sure that the buoy is not far away? Etc. Variant about ascent: as long as the device emerges from a five-kilometer depth, it will already lose a point with an error of plus or minus a kilometer. And how can he set the periscope? The submarine is easy - it has a wheelhouse where you can hide five meters of the periscope. And where to hide the antenna in the "Poseidon"? So that it does not flood all the time with waves, it should be at least three meters long. How to shove it inside, if the entire body is one and a half meters in diameter? And it is also necessary that the antenna does not overturn the torpedo on its side, the torpedo is round, there is no stability.

    Tses, I’ll even guess what size this Poseidon BPA will be. The size in the front midship and with a long instrument compartment (PA), at least half the missile compartment on the Halibut nuclear submarines. If you believe the materials of the open press, then it has a cable, for spy PAs it was 11 km long (!). Well, such a thing is the size of an NR-1. This is how Tu-142K or oceanographic vessels and submarines did not wind such a length onto any “spindle” of screws - I don’t know.
  37. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 14 December 2019 12: 52 New
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    Is this Poseidon?
    Then it looks like he hit the bottom a couple of times with stern. There are dents on it.

    Don’t boil over. This raised the Sakharov T-15 torpedo. More than 40 years at the bottom of Bermuda.
  38. 9lvariag
    9lvariag 14 December 2019 12: 57 New
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    I believe that both Poseidons and Vanguards are Comrade’s empty bluff. Putin, similar to Ronald Reagan's bluff about star wars. But that bluff rolled and devastated the USSR, and this one will not do it anymore. Anyone who knows the state of the defense industry of the Russian Federation can imagine this very well.

    Well, how is the cruiser "Ukraine" and "Saigak Dachny" the most powerful super battleship in the Black Sea? How do you know the state of our defense industry? But I know perfectly well the state of defense of Moscow region and your defense industry. Marked not erase from 2006 to 2020.