Military Review

BTMP-84 (Ukraine) - tank and armored personnel carrier symbiosis

70
BTMP-84 (Ukraine) - tank and armored personnel carrier symbiosis
Combat heavy infantry vehicles (BMT) are intended for combat operations as part of tank units and subunits, being with them in the same battle formations, and independently. At the same time, paratroopers can fire vehicles or drop off and continue the battle on foot. The use of BMTs with weapons, protection and maneuverability, the same as those of tanks, provides close interaction on the battlefield of tanks and infantry paratroopers with the fullest use of the strengths of these types of troops. The fire control system (FCS) and armament of the BMT ensure the detection and defeat of enemy armored vehicles and infantry as effectively as the tank's FCS.


BMT can be used in the offensive and defense, in the conduct of large-scale hostilities and in the zone of local conflicts or in the conduct of peacekeeping operations.

Taking into account the existing need to increase the level of protection of tracked armored infantry vehicles, armor protection which already lags far behind the armor protection of tanks with which the infantry fighting vehicles must interact, the KVBM KPBM developed the BTMP-84 heavy infantry fighting vehicle.



The BTMP-84 was designed on the basis of the T-84 tank chassis, while the machine’s design was designed to accommodate two tank tower operators with an 125-mm cannon and an automatic loading mechanism. To accommodate the assault, the stock of 125-mm ammunition on the BTMP-84 machine is reduced to 30 shots.

A feature of the design of the machine is the presence in the aft hull of the troop compartment, designed to accommodate 5 infantry.

The door in the stern of the car’s hull opens to the left, a ladder extends downwards, and the chassis roof hatch above the door rises, which allows the infantry to leave the car quickly. The device of the exit hatch of the troop compartment resembles the Israeli Akhzarit infantry fighting vehicle, made on the basis of the reconstructed T-55 tank.

In both sides of the troop compartment there is an embrasure for firing. In the roof of the troop compartment there are hatches.

However, the concept of a battle tank / BMP is a compromise and will lead to significant functional limitations.



MAIN CHARACTERISTICS:

Combat weight, kg 48 600
Crew (landing), people 3 (5)
Main dimensions, mm:
- The length of the body (with the gun forward) 7550? (10800?)
- 3755 width?
- 2285 height?
- Clearance 515
- Base 5200?
- Track 2800
- Track width (track pitch) 580 (?)
Average ground pressure, kg / cm2?
Obstacle obstacles:
- rise, hail. Xnumx
- roll, hail. Xnumx
- ditch, m 3
- wall, m 1
- ford, m 1,8
Armament (ammunition, shots):
- 125-mm gun-PU 2А46М1
- 7,62-mm coaxial PKT machine gun
- 12,7-mm anti-aircraft gun NSVT
- ATVS 9M119M "Reflex" 1 (28) 1 (2 000) 1 (300) (2 ... 8)
Vertical guidance angles, degrees -7 ... + 20
Weapon Stabilizer 2-42-4
Loading mechanism gidroelektromechanich.
Instruments aiming 1Г46 (laser. Sight-rangefinder) TPN-? (teams., day / night.) TPN-? (day / night)
Surveillance devices?
The number of embrasures (of which for machine guns)
- Means of setting the 8 x 902А “Cloud” smoke curtains,
TDA Type and make of engine diesel 6ТД2
Maximum power, hp (kW) 1200
The number of cylinders 6 (V-obr.)
The number of revolutions / min?
Power density, hp / ton 24,7
Capacity of fuel tanks, l 1300?
Mechanical planetary transmission; two units consisting of an onboard gearbox, an onboard gearbox and movement control hydraulic seawaters each
Maximum speed (afloat), km / h: 60 (-)
Power reserve, km 550?
Reservation, anti-dump, multi-layer combined with built-in dynamic protection
Radio station P-173?
TPU P-124?
Navigation equipment GPC-59
70 comments
Ad

Our projects are looking for authors in the news and analytical departments. Requirements for applicants: literacy, responsibility, efficiency, inexhaustible creative energy, experience in copywriting or journalism, the ability to quickly analyze text and check facts, write concisely and interestingly on political and economic topics. The work is paid. Contact: [email protected]

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Thomas A. Anderson
    Thomas A. Anderson April 20 2013 07: 56 New
    +7
    Well, the idea itself is not bad, but if you already took it, there would be more landing, etc. Consequently, the size of the machine will increase ....
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled April 20 2013 08: 03 New
      +8
      Quote: Tomas A.Anderson
      However, the concept of a battle tank / infantry fighting vehicle is a compromise and will lead to significant functional limitations.

      that says it all. therefore, such a technique was not widely used. the exception is the Merkava-Mk1 / 2 / 3 / 4 tanks
      landing from the tank & quot; Merkava & quot;
      1. bask
        bask April 20 2013 10: 25 New
        11
        Quote: self-propelled
        tanks "Merkava" -Mk1 / 2/3/4

        You have to be a midget to fit in the troop compartment ,, carrots ,,
        You need either an MBT tank, or a full-fledged BTR-T
        1. Professor
          Professor April 20 2013 10: 48 New
          14
          You have to be a midget to fit in the troop compartment ,, carrots ,,

          The main task of Merkava is not to transport troops. And when this becomes necessary, then this space is enough.
          1. avt
            avt April 20 2013 10: 53 New
            +9
            Quote: Professor
            The main objective of Merkava is not to transport troops.

            Try to tell this to the creators of the miracle described in the article. But that's why it seems to me - this is a hopeless occupation. laughing
            1. avt
              avt April 20 2013 11: 30 New
              +7
              laughingAmused minus laughing Yes, even time does not heal those who are confident in the landing mission of Merkava. laughing But since the appearance of the first carrot, here’s another Foreign Military Review back then in Soviet times, unsuccessful attempts to clarify. But request ... And here is the final apotheosis of the design fantasy that is independent of common sense.
              1. vjhbc
                vjhbc April 20 2013 18: 58 New
                +3
                exactly what the fuck-ass is this place for a shift crew
                1. Professor
                  Professor April 20 2013 19: 57 New
                  +1
                  You are not mixed up with the submarine? Which shift crew? Where did he come from?
                  1. Mhpv
                    Mhpv April 20 2013 23: 25 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Professor
                    You are not mixed up with the submarine? Which shift crew? Where did he come from?

                    As in the film, I don’t remember how the Chinese tax one at the wheel of another while in the trunk then change wassat
                    Well, no offense to the creators.
                    In general, it’s difficult to understand the meaning if this is a landing vehicle, and in terms of T84 parameters it even surpasses it a little.
                    If at one time the designers left ST and TT by creating MBT, why do we need a tank in the form of a pickup truck what
              2. Mohomax
                Mohomax April 26 2013 22: 27 New
                0
                the craving for the universalization of weapons is certainly very good, but it is unlikely to please the paratroopers. Although it is possible to take the wounded from the battlefield. A kind of sanitary tank. We won’t see the second merkava, but we will see a not entirely successful hybrid
        2. Scythian 35
          Scythian 35 April 21 2013 22: 36 New
          0
          Add to the place of the driver mechanics of Soviet and Russian tanks.
    2. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel April 20 2013 08: 03 New
      17
      Question. A landing on a diesel on horseback? What will it be called, "infantry grill"?
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 20 2013 09: 19 New
        +7
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Question. A landing on a diesel on horseback?

        With this, they partially copy the BMP-3 scheme, but I don’t think that this is a reasonable option ... It was better to deploy the "chassis" of the tank "back to front," which they did in the BMP based on the T-64 ...
      2. svp67
        svp67 April 20 2013 10: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        What will it be called, "infantry grill"?
        In this case, the infantry will also need to take the deaf, otherwise they will not be sweet there ...
    3. KuigoroZHIK
      KuigoroZHIK April 20 2013 15: 14 New
      +5
      Now, if the article had pictures not of a small layout, but of a real machine - it would be much more interesting ....
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg April 20 2013 18: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Tomas A.Anderson
      Well, the idea itself is not bad, but if you already took it, there would be more landing, etc. Consequently, the size of the machine will increase ....


      It is immediately evident that this is a combination of abrams, merkava and t-72. I did not expect such an openly Chinese approach from Ukrainian designers. Could come up with something original.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 20 2013 18: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: Geisenberg
        You can see immediately that this is a combination of abrams, merkava and t-72

        Well, “Merkava” all right, and “Abrams” and T72 to this “pipelats” which side?
    5. LINX
      LINX April 22 2013 02: 07 New
      +1
      The Kharkovites are well done, constantly searching for something new, within the framework of reasonable material capabilities, MBT ... BTMP, successes and new ideas.
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 20 2013 08: 00 New
    +1
    Oh, and it will not be sweet for those 5 airborne paratroopers, the space in their squad will be like a pencil case ... Although, of course, heavy infantry fighting vehicles that look very similar to MBTs are an interesting solution, but how much is right - time will tell. And I think that the designed "Almaty", it’s better to succeed ...
    1. bask
      bask April 20 2013 08: 40 New
      +8
      Quote: svp67
      infantry vehicles, very outwardly similar to MBT - an interesting solution, but how much is correct - time is showing

      The idea of ​​a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, an original idea. In Russia, at ChTZ, in the 90s there was an attempt to create a similar BMP. With a turret, a triple, a variant with a double turret included a 100 mm -2A70 gun, 50 rounds of ammunition, a single unit was located 30 mm automatic gun 2A72, 40 mm AGS. In addition to the main armament, the tower was equipped with an autonomous stabilized machine gun installation with a 7, 62 mm PKT machine gun. BMPT combat crew was seven people, five of them had the opportunity, if necessary, dismounting. Guns BMP low ballistics, with a caliber of 100 mm, 120 mm self-propelled guns NONA ,, Vienna ,,, with a good lay trajectory, preferably 125 mm tank.
      1. avt
        avt April 20 2013 12: 22 New
        +8
        Quote: bask
        The idea of ​​a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, an original idea. In Russia, at ChTZ, in the 90s there was an attempt to create a similar BMP. With a turret, a triple, a variant with a double turret included a 100 mm -2A70 gun, 50 rounds of ammunition, a single unit was located 30 mm automatic gun 2A72, 40 mm AGS. In addition to the main armament, the tower was equipped with an autonomous stabilized machine gun installation with a 7, 62 mm PKT machine gun. BMPT combat crew was seven people, five of them had the opportunity, if necessary, dismount

        good Thank you for reminding . It is a sane concept, much more thought out than the notorious Terminator or the above-mentioned bastard miracle. It may not be a panacea for all ills, but it is quite reasonable to use tank platforms, instead of making pots from them.
      2. Argon
        Argon April 20 2013 22: 55 New
        +2
        Man, do not confuse BMPs with BMPTs in conceptually different vehicles. If on practical issues: spending the reserved volume, so many sets of armaments. You need to place what is not up to the landing. Those who dismounted were operators and, in the event of losses, the car would lose the battle potential. Actually, this car was abandoned
  3. Professor
    Professor April 20 2013 08: 49 New
    +7
    The landing hatch exit device resembles the Israeli Ahzarit infantry fighting vehicle, made on the basis of the reconstructed T-55 tank.

    To do this, move the engine to the left and install the ramp with a rising roof.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 20 2013 09: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      To do this, move the engine to the left and install the ramp with a rising roof.


      Which is not possible in the case of the TD series engine, all decisions lie only in terms of increasing the height of the MTO, which is observed on that “object”, and this immediately complicates firing in the rear hemisphere ...
      1. Argon
        Argon April 20 2013 23: 18 New
        +3
        I completely disagree with you, the engines of the TD family, as well as the tank EIs based on them are among the most compact in the world. And in terms of specific power, among the tank EIs are the best in the world. For example, the ejection power unit gives some visual cumbersome power cooling system. Which can be replaced by a more compact, which is obvious and done, on the described machine.
    2. bask
      bask April 20 2013 09: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Professor
      To do this, move the engine to the left and install the ramp

      A similar BMP was built in the USSR, though wheeled.
    3. bask
      bask April 20 2013 10: 06 New
      +7
      Quote: Professor
      To do this, move the engine to the left and install the ramp with the rising edge

      Object 1200 1964, Wheel BMP in the USSR. So it did not go into series.
      In BMP and BMP-T, the exit-path should be only to the stern, MTO. in the nose.
  4. avt
    avt April 20 2013 09: 57 New
    +9
    ,, The tsarina gave birth to a son or a daughter on the night ... "Everything is Pushkin, a car trip is the fruit of Ukrainization of education. Well, or attempts to climb at least something. And since Oplot is the best in the world, it’s been unified, “with the 80th. That’s the truth of the essence of the unification.” The type was renamed the 80th into the Oplot? Well then he is definitely the best. laughing
  5. shurup
    shurup April 20 2013 10: 05 New
    +8
    There is another option to rivet the landing to the stern of the tower.
    I sit high - I look far.
    It will be a double bed, or a bunch of spare shells, well, and you can stuff trophies to the eyeballs.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 20 2013 10: 09 New
      +5
      Quote: shurup
      There is another option to rivet the landing to the stern of the tower. I sit high - I look far.

      Safari is good ... laughing
  6. svp67
    svp67 April 20 2013 10: 06 New
    +1
    The landing hatch exit device resembles the Israeli Ahzarit infantry fighting vehicle, made on the basis of the reconstructed T-55 tank.

    Quote: Professor
    To do this, move the engine to the left and install the ramp with a rising roof.

    With one big difference with “Ahzarit”, this is done for the passage, and this BTMP is like a living compartment ... with all the ensuing consequences - crowding, heat and huge noise
    1. bask
      bask April 20 2013 10: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      one big difference at the “Ahzarit”, this is done for the passage, and this BTMP - like a living compartment ... with all the consequences

      I agree, this is a half measure., But the amers did for Israel and produced in our system BMP-T ,, Name ,, An interesting armored vehicle. The equipment of the enemies ,,, potential partners, we need to carefully study and do our thing. Based on our technologies .But the device is thought out to the smallest detail. It can attack in one formation with tanks, the defense allows. And dismount right in front of the enemy. The armament is of course weak, but in the airborne squad, everything is smart. And it’s necessary to blow such an APC-T with 100 kg of TNT.
      1. Professor
        Professor April 20 2013 11: 07 New
        +4
        amers made for Israel and producing in their sysha BMP-T ,, Namer

        You are in a blow today. fellow The intent was created in Israel on the basis of Merkava, the United States can produce it for free deliveries to Israel.

        Heavy BTR / BMP
        TBTR Nemer is designed and manufactured by the Merkava Tank Development Authority of the Israeli Defense Forces. However, General Ron-Tal remarked: “This is a very expensive decision, and then two decisions were made: firstly, we use the old Merkava Mk 1 platform, which has now been around for 20 years; secondly, we don’t have appropriations for the acquisition of this platform and we will need to find the possibility of using the part of the US budget that is intended to finance military orders of foreign countries.Therefore, we must prove the need for the production of the Nemer machine, at least partially, in the USA; this may mean transferring it buildings for modernization. "
        1. bask
          bask April 20 2013 11: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          The intent was created in Israel on the basis of Merkava, the United States can produce it for free

          Strange created in Israel? And they will be produced at the facilities of General Dymamics. What Israeli capacities are not enough to produce 300-400 cars.?
          ,, Armata ,, front-mounted MTO. But this technique will not be earlier than the 20th year.
          [media = http: //www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/armored_personnel_carrier
          s / namera / P1010208_3.jpg]
          1. Professor
            Professor April 20 2013 11: 26 New
            10
            Everything is much more prosaic. In Israel, there is not enough money for him, and for American military assistance allocated to Israel, you can buy mainly American products. Thus, Israel will receive an Israeli armored personnel carrier made in America.
            1. datur
              datur April 20 2013 19: 24 New
              +6
              [professor] Everything is much more prosaic. In Israel, there is not enough money for him, and for American military assistance allocated to Israel, you can buy mainly American products. Thus, Israel will receive an Israeli armored personnel carrier made in America .-- however, an interesting gesheft with them looms !!!! yes wassat laughing and who throws whom? repeat
  7. Alexander Kirov
    Alexander Kirov April 20 2013 10: 40 New
    +1
    Goblin in a single copy. The dream of the mind is born of monsters.
  8. svp67
    svp67 April 20 2013 10: 53 New
    +6
    And one more "small" moment. In the BTMP circuits it is “six-rink”, and in the photo “seven-rink”. And from experience I know that this can have a very negative effect on their joint action with tanks, move in joint columns, and in deployed (combat) orders at a uniform speed it will be heavy and the landing again - my condolences, the vestibular apparatus, the children will need to have like pilots .. fellow repeat
    1. bask
      bask April 20 2013 11: 59 New
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      And one more "small" moment. In the BTMP circuits it is “six-rink”, and in the photo “seven-rink”. And from experience I know that it can

      You military know better.
      But as one of the options for. FOR BMP / BTR-T BODY, you can use the armored hull, self-propelled guns ,, Peony ,, Object 216. "" "Non-standard design and engineering solutions and techniques allowed the machine to be configured in such a way that with its own weight of 65 t it allows you to lift a load weighing 80 tons (during testing, the weight of the cargo reached 100 tons) "" "
      1. avt
        avt April 20 2013 12: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: bask
        But as one of the options for. FOR BMP / BTR-T BODY, you can use the armored hull, self-propelled guns ,, Peony ,, Object 216. "" "Non-standard design and engineering solutions and techniques allowed the machine to be configured in such a way that with its own weight of 65 t it allows you to lift a load weighing 80 tons (during testing, the weight of the load reached 100

        Sorry! It is better to make well-protected engineering machines on such heavy platforms. In life, sappers always come ahead with, not gyroic, but no less necessary work.
    2. rennim
      rennim April 22 2013 10: 48 New
      0
      You can use the articulated chassis scheme (two-link). As in a tracked conveyor.
  9. Conepatus
    Conepatus April 20 2013 10: 55 New
    +5
    Not a BMP yet, but no longer a full-fledged tank. Do we need such hybrids? Let's make submarines out of helicopters.
    1. family
      family tree April 20 2013 12: 45 New
      13
      Let's get out of helicopters, submarines do.
      Late, however, already laughing 2001 or 2002, West Africa, Sierra Leone. Our pilots commit to
      Mi-24P is one of the flights within the framework of the UN peacekeeping mission. They fly over the Atlantic, something goes wrong and the helicopter hits the surface of the water, diving slightly. They didn’t go deeper, soared.
      After such a voyage, the inscription “Calypso” (analogy to the Cousteau vessel) appeared on board with the silhouette of a submarine resembling a helicopter.
  10. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO April 20 2013 12: 23 New
    +4
    Quote: avt
    “The queen gave birth to a son or a daughter on the night ..."

    So I had such a line immediately flashed.
    I doubt the combat value of this instance.
    One hit in the stern and we "kill two birds with one stone" that is, ICE and landing.
  11. Avenger711
    Avenger711 April 20 2013 12: 34 New
    -2
    Another change? Oh well.
    They can’t do ordinary tanks for themselves anymore.
    1. Dub4ik
      Dub4ik April 21 2013 22: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Avenger711
      Another change? Oh well.
      They can’t do ordinary tanks for themselves anymore.

      it does not depend on the design bureau but on the state in which some dib ** s are. The design bureau is developing, and the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not buy its weapons is not his fault.
  12. shark
    shark April 20 2013 12: 47 New
    +2
    BMP-T is an interesting idea. It has the right to life. It may not be in such a massive form as a regular BMP, but nevertheless this machine is in demand by the troops. As far as I understand, there are no developments of such equipment. I haven’t seen any mention of them anywhere. because it would be necessary. Correct if not right.
  13. family
    family tree April 20 2013 13: 05 New
    +5
    In the spring 2001 years at an arms exhibition in Abu Dhabi (UAE), Ukrainian designers demonstrated a full-size running model of an armored vehicle, which is a symbiosis of a tank and infantry fighting vehicle. This fundamentally new heavy BMP, created on the basis of a T-84 tank of its own production, should become a new generation machine. Development was carried out at the state-owned enterprise Kharkiv Design Bureau named after Morozov with the expectation of export deliveries.
    The main idea of ​​the new development, combining the fire and tactical and technical capabilities of a tank and infantry fighting vehicle, received the BMT symbol (also known as BTMP-84), lies in the fact that it practically allows you to refuse to equip military units with tanks and combat vehicles infantry separately. BMT was created on the basis of the T-84 tank, the mass production of which was established in Kharkov at the Malyshev plant. The designers took the path of increasing the length of the machine body by adding another track roller.

    It's not meant to be. Not a single sold, 12 years have passed. http://www.otvaga.narod.ru/Otvaga/armour-ukr/a_btmp84.htm
    1. ken
      ken April 21 2013 06: 26 New
      +2
      its only one and made as a sample
  14. Conepatus
    Conepatus April 20 2013 13: 25 New
    +8
    In such an infantry fighting vehicle, it’s good to carry prisoners. I put 5 people into the airborne compartment and cross the crossroads, drive about 20 kilometers. After this, the prisoners themselves will tell everyone if they would not put them back.
    It’s interesting whether the helmets will be given out like helmets by tankers or not. If not, how their ears will carry the sound of a 125mm gun firing, I don’t think that the armored partition drowns them out. Just imagine, 5 shell-shocked Pykhotins creep out of the airborne squad and engage in battle. .
  15. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn April 20 2013 13: 36 New
    +6
    It's like demi-season tires, equally bad both in winter and summer. This is a small armored personnel carrier and a heavy tank, without a landing compartment it would be faster or the armor could be thicker, there is a decrease in two main characteristics of the tank: mobility and security for the sake of dubious acquisition.
  16. de klermon
    de klermon April 20 2013 14: 07 New
    +6
    It is very similar to the pregnant T-80 ... And they also say that the cars are not alive!

    Seriously, the Kharkiv people, I think, have already gone too far with modernization! .. If this is their “promising heavy platform”, then the only feeling that it can cause is deep disappointment! I completely agree with Conepatus that instead of landing, carcasses, similar to store-bought tobacco chickens from times of shortage, will reach the place, there is also a diesel engine at hand !!!
    Well, the most important question: the mass of the T-84U is 48 tons, the mass of BTMPs is 48 tons ... Where is the catch, BTMP is much larger, and does it require more equipment, but weighs ... less?
  17. Alexander Kirov
    Alexander Kirov April 20 2013 14: 20 New
    +4
    The sleep of mind gives birth to monsters. Especially in the Urainian army and military-industrial complex.
  18. Canep
    Canep April 20 2013 14: 20 New
    +3
    For the commander who is not familiar with the tactics of combined arms combat, this is the best weapon.
  19. barbiturate
    barbiturate April 20 2013 14: 23 New
    +2
    the machine is interesting, only you can make it easier, see how this problem is solved in Israel (because their experience is undeniable, they fight almost continuously) and do it. And with the same application concept. Russia, too, would be nice to adopt something like this, otherwise tanks and infantry fighting vehicles have been riveted for a global war, and we’ve been fighting for 30 years like everyone in local conflicts and with militants, but armored vehicles have been stubbornly doing the task of supposedly withstanding a 25mm shellmaster’s shell or there 120mm m829 kakogonit, and not save the lives of soldiers undermined by a mine or when hit by a bearded dush from RPG7)
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn April 20 2013 14: 46 New
      +4
      What kind of experience? how to beat hezbollah and al qaeda? in fact, they have no more experience than ours, we will even have more experience since the Ichkers troops during the assault on Grozny had the whole range of armored vehicles, which made them equal to the regular army.
  20. Best novel
    Best novel April 20 2013 14: 39 New
    +3
    And where is the name of the author of this sorry nonsense? The photo shows a clear photoshop with the 7th rink of clearly larger diameter. The engine is between the fighting and the landing squad? And how to place people between the leading rear rollers and also make a chain or something to drive? Especially I didn’t bring the details about the sliding steps to tears, but WHY? Dear moderators and other site editors, Why should I release this (I mean an article of dubious reliability)?
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 20 2013 15: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Roman Best
      Engine-between the combat and landing squad? And how to place people between the leading rear rollers

      The engine there, as far as I understand, is under the airborne compartment, and the transmission elements are connected directly to this engine, and the same are under the landing ...
      This engine is 5TDF, 6TD looks very similar in appearance, gear number 9, on the other hand the same PMP (planetary rotation mechanisms) are connected to them, in the photo they are on the right, 2 pcs
    2. svp67
      svp67 April 20 2013 16: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Roman Best
      And how between the leading rear rollers

      Here the PMP are lying around at a factory ...
      1. Best novel
        Best novel April 20 2013 17: 33 New
        +3
        And now please assemble the current structure from this by squeezing in there 5 infantrymen in outfit and with weapons and having at least fit in height in the dimensions of the tank and not the bus.
    3. Alexander Kirov
      Alexander Kirov April 21 2013 01: 01 New
      +4
      The most interesting thing is that this nonsense was made a reality, probably got stoned.
  21. balamut_x
    balamut_x April 20 2013 17: 35 New
    +3
    when viewed from the rear, this cruiser is missing something ... but I realized the barn lock laughing
  22. mojohed
    mojohed April 20 2013 17: 51 New
    +4
    BMT is a good thing, but where is the extra. gun 30 - 45 mm. for operational suppression of anti-tank systems, infantry and lightly armored vehicles and enemy firing points? I would also like to add 12,7-30 mm along with a 45 machine gun on the roof of the BMT head to a single cosmex (uninhabited module). quick-firing gun, well, and ATGMs to hang on the sides of the tower. YES, it would be better to attach a module with 4 MANPADS over the airborne squad. Then they would have solved the task of escorting tank maneuvers with cover from aircraft. Well, the arena would be hung and a curtain.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 20 2013 17: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: mojohed
      . Well, the arena would be hung and a curtain.

      The "curtain" at this facility has ...
  23. mojohed
    mojohed April 20 2013 17: 54 New
    +2
    Well, by the way, I’d also attach an armored car to BMT and in it an MLRS, an ACS and a mechanic, Vasya, drunk and swearing at enemies in a megaphone. - here you have the powers of special psychological operations.
    But seriously, the existing BMPs and BTRs are considered sufficient to provide support for tanks, if only their towers are replaced with modules, as in the BMPT Terminator.
  24. Best novel
    Best novel April 20 2013 18: 00 New
    +1
    And the photograph is the only LAYOUT. There are NO active samples.
  25. k-yu
    k-yu April 20 2013 20: 42 New
    0
    an interesting idea, to modify it a bit, stick the engine in front, and increase the compartment for paratroopers.
  26. Crang
    Crang April 20 2013 21: 39 New
    +2
    You can’t do such symbioses. With his then MOH. So 3 people go into orbit, and so 8 is already too much. Yes, and the T-72/90 is still cooler.
    1. Kars
      Kars April 21 2013 17: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Krang
      Yes, and the T-72/90 is still cooler.

      Do you continue to engage in self-deception?
  27. Argon
    Argon April 21 2013 01: 47 New
    +2
    After re-reading the comments, I was convinced once again, “there are no prophets in my own country”, isn’t it? At first, we complain that the BMP is not armed enough, then we are unhappy that the BMP is not sufficiently protected, and when we see all the advantages that are harmoniously combined the current MBT, we rush to the extremes of criticism. Moreover, many do not even bother to carefully read the article. Let's start with the concept: let's look at the evolution of domestic infantry fighting vehicles, it’s obvious that the vehicle is larger than a transport vehicle, which differs from the armored personnel carrier in fact only by enhanced protection (BMP-1 ) The machine has essentially turned into a light tank with a landing force (BMP-3), the security of which in modern combat is called into question, in connection with the revolution of anti-tank equipment. we went from the opposite, lengthening the hull a bit, we placed DO before it (the landing arrangement is similar to BMP-3), providing protection at the level of the main tank. Only specialized MBTs, such as Israeli equipment, however adapted for ODA, can have a higher protection class. the specifics of the application, not weighed down by the requirements of mobility. I consider the number of paratroopers to be acceptable given that there are six of them in the BMP-2. Moreover, the landing can fire from the car (for fans of the “Merkava"). The armament of the main tanks is completely preserved! some may not like it but it is optimal for a "deployed army operation", and therefore for the BMP to carry out its missions in combined arms combat. On the technical side, some questions arise regarding the maneuverability of the mk machine, the running surface of the chassis is slightly increased, but here everything is completely solved. I believe that with this work the Kharkovites confirmed the title of Leader of the Soviet Tank Construction. I hope that such a machine will be in the range of “Almaty”, but Russia’s BTMP priority is unfortunately lost. About the reasons for the collapse of the described sample as an export item, we can say that this is primarily a political result situation in Ukraine. On the other hand, who should rush to buy all kinds of Bedouins who saw something like a tractor for 50 years. Here, the Germans, I’m sure, nervously lit up soon, you should expect something similar from them. Why do I think so? Because they, unlike biduins, had Manstein and Guderian.
  28. ken
    ken April 21 2013 06: 45 New
    0
    Ukrainians went along the line of least resistance. Apparently a lot of problems have to be solved if you simply deploy a cannon and attach an airborne compartment to the stern. In fact, it is to make a new tank, like a merkava, with an engine forward, only maneuverable and light. It would seem simpler, reverse the gearbox, move the tower a bit, rearrange the driver's seat, add an ice rink, and weld the compartment into the stern. There are a lot of pluses, but apparently our KBs are no longer capable of something like that.
  29. Selevc
    Selevc April 21 2013 07: 15 New
    +4
    With all my desire to be a patriot, it seems to me that BTMP-84 testifies to complete insanity in Ukrainian tank building ... Like our analogue of Merkava - but as always everything is wretched, blinded in a hurry and anyhow - just to report to the authorities about the work done !!! All the dust in the eyes - another cheap "breakthrough in Ukrainian tank building" ...

    Sorry and the engine in this "DURA" where? Of course, from behind ... I feel sorry for this very landing that will be sitting there !!! Crampedness + loud noise and strong gas contamination from a running engine + heat - I’m sure that there is no air conditioning there ... :))) Yes, they’ll get out of work from there :))) And why are there abrasures - there will be little to see and where shoot from them?

    In general, the original turned out "BRONEDURA" !!! Two parodies came out at once - on the tank and on the BMP :)))
  30. zveroboy61
    zveroboy61 April 21 2013 07: 52 New
    -2
    Can attach a good trailer to a good tank, and all problems are solved. yes
  31. zveroboy61
    zveroboy61 April 21 2013 07: 53 New
    0
    Maybe just a good trailer for a good tank and the issue is resolved. yes
  32. Alex
    Alex April 21 2013 09: 01 New
    +2
    Regardless of the advisability of such a miracle of technology. But...
    Everyone who mooted about the deployment of the assault did not notice that the airborne compartment is located between the BO and the MTO, but not above or to the side of the MTO. Therefore, the body is elongated in comparison with the T-84. Hence the doubt that the weight is kept at the level of MBT. Unless, of course, weakened the booking.
  33. Yemelya
    Yemelya April 21 2013 10: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Alex
    Everyone who mooted about the deployment of the landing party did not notice that the landing compartment is located between the BO and the MTO, but not above or to the side of the MTO.

    I agree, this is clearly visible on a similar alteration of the T-72.

    Regarding the analogue of the Merkava, I suspect that due to the design features of the MOH, tankers sitting in the tower through the aft door can leave the car.

    As for the vulnerability of the rear door, I believe nothing prevents it from being layered (with spaced armor in the inside of the case).
    1. Kars
      Kars April 21 2013 21: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Emelya
      I suspect that due to the design features of the MOH, tankers sitting in the tower through the aft door will be able to leave the car.

      In principle, the aft hatches are not evacuation, but the standard ones from the tank should remain.
  34. Alexander Kirov
    Alexander Kirov April 21 2013 20: 39 New
    0
    I would like the designer and ideologist of this machine to ride in a desert landing. A marasmic design from beginning to end.
    1. Yemelya
      Yemelya April 21 2013 21: 06 New
      0
      I can’t understand why many people think that the airborne assault in BTMP-84 should be worse than in the BMP-1, etc.?

      It is clear that without comfort, but why worse? They are sitting there almost in the center of the hull - a bumble, it seems like there should be less than in the stern. Five have three hatches.

      The rest, of course - the car sucks.

      The title of the article, by the way, is incorrect. "Symbiosis" is a mutually beneficial addition. Here the "hybrid" is more appropriate.

      So the hybrid of the tank and the armored personnel carrier at the cost of deteriorating the characteristics of the tank.
  35. svp67
    svp67 April 21 2013 21: 16 New
    +1
    And as I understand it, its first options




    The same, but based on the T-72. It looks like it’s put on stream

  36. Argon
    Argon April 21 2013 22: 16 New
    +2
    In general, it’s difficult to understand where the idea comes from in the minds of the average person about the front placement of the MTO. From an engineering point of view, this is a recession. The designer, creating a tracked vehicle, tries to distribute the main masses evenly along the base. Specifically, according to BMP-3, the massive frontal armor is balanced with the reserve power unit, which It makes it possible to place the weapon module and TO near the center of mass, which significantly reduces fatigue. As a result, we get a car with excellent smoothness, which always saves weight and volume, for example, the power of the stabilizer hydraulic system is not high, there is no need to use hydropneumatic suspension. Now remember BMP -2, all those who operated the car will notice a significant buildup of the hull when starting off, movement over rough terrain. This is a result of the concentration of weight loads in the front of the hull and is a significant obstacle to the modernization of the machine.
  37. rennim
    rennim April 22 2013 10: 41 New
    0
    Ukrainians GOOD !!! I think that such cars have a future. Perhaps there will be other weapons, layout, dimensions, but the concept is simply in the top ten ...
  38. Sirozha
    Sirozha April 22 2013 12: 19 New
    +1
    The idea of ​​creating a Heavy BMP is good. But this should be a fundamentally new car, and not a rework of the tank. This is some kind of crap with a hole in the ass. it seems to me that for a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, such an instrument is not needed, it is better to use a smaller automatic caliber gun.
    And this is so, a tank, with the possibility of transporting infantry, but not BMP.
  39. Langeo
    Langeo April 22 2013 19: 30 New
    0
    Quote: self-propelled
    Quote: Tomas A.Anderson
    However, the concept of a battle tank / infantry fighting vehicle is a compromise and will lead to significant functional limitations.

    that says it all. therefore, such a technique was not widely used. the exception is the Merkava-Mk1 / 2 / 3 / 4 tanks
    landing from the tank & quot; Merkava & quot;


    Tank with a little corridor is a guest
  40. Rem 80
    Rem 80 23 July 2013 06: 48 New
    0
    I quote one book (Chechen war: work on mistakes. 2009.)
    "The idea is this: to arm a platoon not a BMP, but an armored personnel carrier on a tank base. And there should be not 3 cars, but 4 with different weapons modules. Given the meager funding, using and modifying the T-55 and T-62 is the way out."
  41. Rem 80
    Rem 80 23 July 2013 07: 08 New
    0
    Based on t-64