BTMP-84 (Ukraine) - tank and armored personnel carrier symbiosis

Combat heavy infantry vehicles (BMT) are intended for combat operations as part of tank units and subunits, being with them in the same battle formations, and independently. At the same time, paratroopers can fire vehicles or drop off and continue the battle on foot. The use of BMTs with weapons, protection and maneuverability, the same as those of tanks, provides close interaction on the battlefield of tanks and infantry paratroopers with the fullest use of the strengths of these types of troops. The fire control system (FCS) and armament of the BMT ensure the detection and defeat of enemy armored vehicles and infantry as effectively as the tank's FCS.

BMT can be used in the offensive and defense, in the conduct of large-scale hostilities and in the zone of local conflicts or in the conduct of peacekeeping operations.

Taking into account the existing need to increase the level of protection of tracked armored infantry vehicles, armor protection which already lags far behind the armor protection of tanks with which the infantry fighting vehicles must interact, the KVBM KPBM developed the BTMP-84 heavy infantry fighting vehicle.

The BTMP-84 was designed on the basis of the T-84 tank chassis, while the machine’s design was designed to accommodate two tank tower operators with an 125-mm cannon and an automatic loading mechanism. To accommodate the assault, the stock of 125-mm ammunition on the BTMP-84 machine is reduced to 30 shots.

A feature of the design of the machine is the presence in the aft hull of the troop compartment, designed to accommodate 5 infantry.

The door in the stern of the car’s hull opens to the left, a ladder extends downwards, and the chassis roof hatch above the door rises, which allows the infantry to leave the car quickly. The device of the exit hatch of the troop compartment resembles the Israeli Akhzarit infantry fighting vehicle, made on the basis of the reconstructed T-55 tank.

In both sides of the troop compartment there is an embrasure for firing. In the roof of the troop compartment there are hatches.

However, the concept of a battle tank / BMP is a compromise and will lead to significant functional limitations.

MAIN CHARACTERISTICS:

Combat weight, kg 48 600
Crew (landing), people 3 (5)
Main dimensions, mm:
- The length of the body (with the gun forward) 7550? (10800?)
- 3755 width?
- 2285 height?
- Clearance 515
- Base 5200?
- Track 2800
- Track width (track pitch) 580 (?)
Average ground pressure, kg / cm2?
Obstacle obstacles:
- rise, hail. Xnumx
- roll, hail. Xnumx
- ditch, m 3
- wall, m 1
- ford, m 1,8
Armament (ammunition, shots):
- 125-mm gun-PU 2А46М1
- 7,62-mm coaxial PKT machine gun
- 12,7-mm anti-aircraft gun NSVT
- ATVS 9M119M "Reflex" 1 (28) 1 (2 000) 1 (300) (2 ... 8)
Vertical guidance angles, degrees -7 ... + 20
Weapon Stabilizer 2-42-4
Loading mechanism gidroelektromechanich.
Instruments aiming 1Г46 (laser. Sight-rangefinder) TPN-? (teams., day / night.) TPN-? (day / night)
Surveillance devices?
The number of embrasures (of which for machine guns)
- Means of setting the 8 x 902А “Cloud” smoke curtains,
TDA Type and make of engine diesel 6ТД2
Maximum power, hp (kW) 1200
The number of cylinders 6 (V-obr.)
The number of revolutions / min?
Power density, hp / ton 24,7
Capacity of fuel tanks, l 1300?
Mechanical planetary transmission; two units consisting of an onboard gearbox, an onboard gearbox and movement control hydraulic seawaters each
Maximum speed (afloat), km / h: 60 (-)
Power reserve, km 550?
Reservation, anti-dump, multi-layer combined with built-in dynamic protection
Radio station P-173?
TPU P-124?
Navigation equipment GPC-59

Comments

[Thomas A. Anderson]

Well, the idea itself is not bad, but if you already took it, there would be more landing, etc. Consequently, the size of the machine will increase ....

[self-propelled]

Quote: Tomas A. Anderson

However, the concept of a battle tank / infantry fighting vehicle is a compromise and will lead to significant functional limitations.

that says it all. therefore, this technique has not become widespread. the only exception is the tanks "Merkava" -Mk1 / 2/3/4

[bask]

Quote: self-propelled

tanks "Merkava" -Mk1 / 2/3/4

You have to be a midget to fit in the troop compartment ,, carrots ,,
You need either an MBT tank, or a full-fledged BTR-T

[Professor]

You have to be a midget to fit in the troop compartment ,, carrots ,,

The main task of Merkava is not to transport troops. And when this becomes necessary, then this space is enough.

[avt]

Quote: professor

The main objective of Merkava is not to transport troops.

Try to tell this to the creators of the miracle described in the article. But that's why it seems to me - this is a hopeless occupation.

[avt]

Amused minus Yes, even time does not heal those who are confident in the landing mission of Merkava. But since the appearance of the first carrot, here’s another Foreign Military Review back then in Soviet times, unsuccessful attempts to clarify. But ... And here is the final apotheosis of the design fantasy that is independent of common sense.

[vjhbc]

exactly what the fuck-ass is this place for a shift crew

[Professor]

You are not mixed up with the submarine? Which shift crew? Where did he come from?

[Mhpv]

Quote: professor

You are not mixed up with the submarine? Which shift crew? Where did he come from?

As in the film, I don’t remember how the Chinese tax one at the wheel of another while in the trunk then change
Well, no offense to the creators.
In general, it’s difficult to understand the meaning if this is a landing vehicle, and in terms of T84 parameters it even surpasses it a little.
If at one time the designers left ST and TT by creating MBT, why do we need a tank in the form of a pickup truck

[Mohomax]

the craving for the universalization of weapons is certainly very good, but it is unlikely to please the paratroopers. Although it is possible to take the wounded from the battlefield. A kind of sanitary tank. We won’t see the second merkava, but we will see a not entirely successful hybrid

[Scythian 35]

Add to the place of the driver mechanics of Soviet and Russian tanks.

[Captain Vrungel]

Question. Diesel landing? What is it going to be called, "infantry grill"?

[svp67]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

Question. A landing on a diesel on horseback?

By doing this, they partially copy the BMP-3 scheme, but I don't think this is a reasonable option ... It was better to deploy the "chassis" of the tank "back to front", which they did in the BMP based on the T-64 ...

[svp67]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

What is it going to be called, "infantry grill"?

In this case, the infantry will also need to take the deaf, otherwise they will not be sweet there ...

[KuigoroZHIK]

Now, if the article had pictures not of a small layout, but of a real machine - it would be much more interesting ....

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Tomas A.Anderson

Well, the idea itself is not bad, but if you already took it, there would be more landing, etc. Consequently, the size of the machine will increase ....

It is immediately evident that this is a combination of abrams, merkava and t-72. I did not expect such an openly Chinese approach from Ukrainian designers. Could come up with something original.

[svp67]

Quote: Geisenberg

You can see immediately that this is a combination of abrams, merkava and t-72

Well, "Merkava", okay, but "Abrams" and T72 to this "pipelatz" which side?

[LINX]

The Kharkovites are well done, constantly searching for something new, within the framework of reasonable material capabilities, MBT ... BTMP, successes and new ideas.

[svp67]

Oh, and it will not be sweet for those 5-eye paratroopers, the seats in their squad will be like in a pencil case ... Although, of course, the Heavy Infantry Vehicles, very similar in appearance to the MBT, are an interesting solution, but how much correct - time will tell. that the projected "Armata", it is better to get it ...

[bask]

Quote: svp67

infantry vehicles, very outwardly similar to MBT - an interesting solution, but how much is correct - time is showing

The idea of ​​a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, an original idea. In Russia, at ChTZ, in the 90s there was an attempt to create a similar BMP. With a turret, a triple, a variant with a double turret included a 100 mm -2A70 gun, 50 rounds of ammunition, a single unit was located 30 mm automatic gun 2A72, 40 mm AGS. In addition to the main armament, the tower was equipped with an autonomous stabilized machine gun installation with a 7, 62 mm PKT machine gun. BMPT combat crew was seven people, five of them had the opportunity, if necessary, dismounting. Guns BMP low ballistics, with a caliber of 100 mm, 120 mm self-propelled guns NONA ,, Vienna ,,, with a good lay trajectory, preferably 125 mm tank.

[avt]

Quote: bask

The idea of ​​a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, an original idea. In Russia, at ChTZ, in the 90s there was an attempt to create a similar BMP. With a turret, a triple, a variant with a double turret included a 100 mm -2A70 gun, 50 rounds of ammunition, a single unit was located 30 mm automatic gun 2A72, 40 mm AGS. In addition to the main armament, the tower was equipped with an autonomous stabilized machine gun installation with a 7, 62 mm PKT machine gun. BMPT combat crew was seven people, five of them had the opportunity, if necessary, dismount

Thank you for reminding . It is a sane concept, much more thought out than the notorious Terminator or the above-mentioned bastard miracle. It may not be a panacea for all ills, but it is quite reasonable to use tank platforms, instead of making pots from them.

[Argon]

Man, do not confuse BMPs with BMPTs in conceptually different vehicles. If on practical issues: spending the reserved volume, so many sets of armaments. You need to place what is not up to the landing. Those who dismounted were operators and, in the event of losses, the car would lose the battle potential. Actually, this car was abandoned

[Professor]

The landing hatch exit device resembles the Israeli Ahzarit infantry fighting vehicle, made on the basis of the reconstructed T-55 tank.

To do this, move the engine to the left and install the ramp with a rising roof.

[svp67]

Quote: professor

To do this, move the engine to the left and install the ramp with a rising roof.

That in the case of the engine of the "TD" series is not possible, all the solutions lie only in terms of increasing the altitude of the MTO, which is observed at that "object", and this immediately complicates the firing in the rear hemisphere ...

[Argon]

I completely disagree with you, the engines of the TD family, as well as the tank EIs based on them are among the most compact in the world. And in terms of specific power, among the tank EIs are the best in the world. For example, the ejection power unit gives some visual cumbersome power cooling system. Which can be replaced by a more compact, which is obvious and done, on the described machine.

[bask]

Quote: professor

To do this, move the engine to the left and install the ramp

A similar BMP was built in the USSR, though wheeled.

[bask]

Quote: professor

To do this, move the engine to the left and install the ramp with the rising edge

Object 1200 1964, Wheel BMP in the USSR. So it did not go into series.
In BMP and BMP-T, the exit-path should be only to the stern, MTO. in the nose.

[avt]

“The queen gave birth to a son or a daughter in the night ..." Pushkin is our everything, the car is the fruit of the Ukrainization of education. Well, or attempts to climb on something. "With the 80th. That is really incomprehensible the essence of ,, unification." Did you rename the 80th type to Oplot? Well, then it is definitely the best.

[shurup]

There is another option to rivet the landing to the stern of the tower.
I sit high - I look far.
It will be a double bed, or a bunch of spare shells, well, and you can stuff trophies to the eyeballs.

[svp67]

Quote: shurup

There is another option to rivet the landing to the stern of the tower. I sit high - I look far.

Safari is good ...

[svp67]

The landing hatch exit device resembles the Israeli Ahzarit infantry fighting vehicle, made on the basis of the reconstructed T-55 tank.

Quote: professor

To do this, move the engine to the left and install the ramp with a rising roof.

With one big difference in "Akhzarit", it is made for the passage, and this armored vehicle is like a living compartment ... with all the ensuing consequences - crampedness, heat and huge noise

[bask]

Quote: svp67

one big difference in "Akhzarit", it is made for the passage, and this armored vehicle - as a living compartment ... with all the consequences

I agree, this is a half measure., But the amers did for Israel and produced in our system BMP-T ,, Name ,, An interesting armored vehicle. The equipment of the enemies ,,, potential partners, we need to carefully study and do our thing. Based on our technologies .But the device is thought out to the smallest detail. It can attack in one formation with tanks, the defense allows. And dismount right in front of the enemy. The armament is of course weak, but in the airborne squad, everything is smart. And it’s necessary to blow such an APC-T with 100 kg of TNT.

[Professor]

amers made for Israel and producing in their sysha BMP-T ,, Namer

You are in a blow today. The intent was created in Israel on the basis of Merkava, the United States can produce it for free deliveries to Israel.

Heavy BTR / BMP
TBTR Nemer is designed and manufactured by the Israel Defense Forces' Merkava tank development department. However, General Ron-Tal remarked: “This is a very expensive decision, and then two decisions were made: firstly, we use the old platform“ Merkava ”Mk 1, which is now about 20 years old; secondly, we do not have appropriations for the acquisition of this platform and we will have to find a way to use that part of the US budget, which is intended to finance military orders from foreign countries.Therefore, we must prove the need to produce the Nemer machine, at least partially, in the USA; buildings for modernization ".

[bask]

Quote: professor

The intent was created in Israel on the basis of Merkava, the United States can produce it for free

Strange created in Israel? And they will be produced at the facilities of General Dymamics. What Israeli capacities are not enough to produce 300-400 cars.?
,, Armata ,, front-mounted MTO. But this technique will not be earlier than the 20th year.
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[Professor]

Everything is much more prosaic. In Israel, there is not enough money for him, and for American military assistance allocated to Israel, you can buy mainly American products. Thus, Israel will receive an Israeli armored personnel carrier made in America.

[datur]

[professor] Everything is much more prosaic. In Israel, there is not enough money for him, and for American military assistance allocated to Israel, you can buy mainly American products. Thus, Israel will receive an Israeli armored personnel carrier made in America .-- however, an interesting gesheft with them looms !!!! and who throws whom?

[Alexander Kirov]

Goblin in a single copy. The dream of the mind is born of monsters.

[svp67]

And one more "small" moment. On the diagrams, the BMP is "six-roller", and on the photo "seven-roll". And from experience I know that this can have a very negative effect on their joint action with tanks, move in joint columns, and in deployed (combat) formations at a single speed it will be heavy and the landing party will once again - my condolences, the guys will need a vestibular apparatus have, like pilots ..

[bask]

Quote: svp67

And one more "small" moment. On the diagrams, the BMP is "six-roller", and on the photo "seven-roll". And from experience I know that it can

You military know better.
But as one of the options for .FOR the BMP / BTR-T HULL, you can use the armored hull, self-propelled guns ,, Pion ,, Object 216. "" "Non-standard design and technical solutions and techniques made it possible to carry out the layout of the machine in such a way that with a dead weight of 65 t it allows you to lift a load weighing 80 t (during tests, the weight of the load reached 100 t) "" "

[avt]

Quote: bask

But as one of the options for .FOR the BMP / BTR-T hull, you can use the armored hull, self-propelled guns ,, Pion ,, Object 216. "" " t it allows you to lift a load weighing 65 tons (during tests, the weight of the load reached 80

Pity! It is better to make well-protected engineering vehicles on such heavy platforms. In life, sappers are always ahead with "not gyroic" but no less necessary work.

[rennim]

You can use the articulated chassis scheme (two-link). As in a tracked conveyor.

[Conepatus]

Not a BMP yet, but no longer a full-fledged tank. Do we need such hybrids? Let's make submarines out of helicopters.

[family tree]

Let's get out of helicopters, submarines do.

Late, however, already 2001 or 2002, West Africa, Sierra Leone. Our pilots commit to

Mi-24P is one of the flights within the framework of the UN peacekeeping mission. They fly over the Atlantic, something goes wrong and the helicopter hits the surface of the water, diving slightly. They didn’t go deeper, soared.
After such a voyage, the inscription “Calypso” (analogy to the Cousteau vessel) appeared on board with the silhouette of a submarine resembling a helicopter.

[GOLUBENKO]

Quote: avt

“The queen gave birth to a son or a daughter in the night ..."

So I had such a line immediately flashed.
I doubt the combat value of this instance.
One hit in the aft part and we "kill two birds with one stone," that is, the internal combustion engine and the landing.

[Avenger711]

Another change? Oh well.
They can’t do ordinary tanks for themselves anymore.

[Dub4ik]

Quote: Avenger711

Another change? Oh well.
They can’t do ordinary tanks for themselves anymore.

it does not depend on the design bureau but on the state in which some dib ** s are. The design bureau is developing, and the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not buy its weapons is not his fault.

[shark]

BMP-T is an interesting idea. It has the right to life. It may not be in such a massive form as a regular BMP, but nevertheless this machine is in demand by the troops. As far as I understand, there are no developments of such equipment. I haven’t seen any mention of them anywhere. because it would be necessary. Correct if not right.

[family tree]

In the spring 2001 years at an arms exhibition in Abu Dhabi (UAE), Ukrainian designers demonstrated a full-size running model of an armored vehicle, which is a symbiosis of a tank and infantry fighting vehicle. This fundamentally new heavy BMP, created on the basis of a T-84 tank of its own production, should become a new generation machine. Development was carried out at the state-owned enterprise Kharkiv Design Bureau named after Morozov with the expectation of export deliveries.
The main idea of ​​the new development, combining the fire and tactical and technical capabilities of a tank and infantry fighting vehicle, received the BMT symbol (also known as BTMP-84), lies in the fact that it practically allows you to refuse to equip military units with tanks and combat vehicles infantry separately. BMT was created on the basis of the T-84 tank, the mass production of which was established in Kharkov at the Malyshev plant. The designers took the path of increasing the length of the machine body by adding another track roller.

It's not meant to be. Not a single sold, 12 years have passed. http://www.otvaga.narod.ru/Otvaga/armour-ukr/a_btmp84.htm

[ken]

its only one and made as a sample

[Conepatus]

In such an infantry fighting vehicle, it’s good to carry prisoners. I put 5 people into the airborne compartment and cross the crossroads, drive about 20 kilometers. After this, the prisoners themselves will tell everyone if they would not put them back.
It’s interesting whether the helmets will be given out like helmets by tankers or not. If not, how their ears will carry the sound of a 125mm gun firing, I don’t think that the armored partition drowns them out. Just imagine, 5 shell-shocked Pykhotins creep out of the airborne squad and engage in battle. .

[cth; fyn]

It's like demi-season tires, equally bad both in winter and summer. This is a small armored personnel carrier and a heavy tank, without a landing compartment it would be faster or the armor could be thicker, there is a decrease in two main characteristics of the tank: mobility and security for the sake of dubious acquisition.

[de klermon]

It is very similar to the pregnant T-80 ... And they also say that the cars are not alive!

Seriously though, Kharkiv residents, in my opinion, have already gone too far with the modernization! .. If this is their "promising heavy platform", then the only feeling it can cause is deep disappointment! I completely agree with Conepatus that instead of a landing, carcasses similar to store-bought chickens of tobacco from the times of shortage will reach the place, there is also a diesel engine nearby !!!
Well, the most important question: the mass of the T-84U is 48 tons, the mass of BTMPs is 48 tons ... Where is the catch, BTMP is much larger, and does it require more equipment, but weighs ... less?

[Alexander Kirov]

The sleep of mind gives birth to monsters. Especially in the Urainian army and military-industrial complex.

[Canep]

For the commander who is not familiar with the tactics of combined arms combat, this is the best weapon.

[barbiturate]

the machine is interesting, only you can make it easier, see how this problem is solved in Israel (because their experience is undeniable, they fight almost continuously) and do it. And with the same application concept. Russia, too, would be nice to adopt something like this, otherwise tanks and infantry fighting vehicles have been riveted for a global war, and we’ve been fighting for 30 years like everyone in local conflicts and with militants, but armored vehicles have been stubbornly doing the task of supposedly withstanding a 25mm shellmaster’s shell or there 120mm m829 kakogonit, and not save the lives of soldiers undermined by a mine or when hit by a bearded dush from RPG7)

[cth; fyn]

What kind of experience? how to beat hezbollah and al qaeda? in fact, they have no more experience than ours, we will even have more experience since the Ichkers troops during the assault on Grozny had the whole range of armored vehicles, which made them equal to the regular army.

[Best novel]

And where is the name of the author of this sorry nonsense? The photo shows a clear photoshop with the 7th rink of clearly larger diameter. The engine is between the fighting and the landing squad? And how to place people between the leading rear rollers and also make a chain or something to drive? Especially I didn’t bring the details about the sliding steps to tears, but WHY? Dear moderators and other site editors, Why should I release this (I mean an article of dubious reliability)?

[svp67]

Quote: Roman Best

Engine-between the combat and landing squad? And how to place people between the leading rear rollers

The engine there, as far as I understand, is under the airborne compartment, and the transmission elements are connected directly to this engine, and the same are under the landing ...
This engine is 5TDF, 6TD looks very similar in appearance, gear number 9, on the other hand the same PMP (planetary rotation mechanisms) are connected to them, in the photo they are on the right, 2 pcs

[svp67]

Quote: Roman Best

And how between the leading rear rollers

Here the PMP are lying around at a factory ...

[Best novel]

And now please assemble the current structure from this by squeezing in there 5 infantrymen in outfit and with weapons and having at least fit in height in the dimensions of the tank and not the bus.

[Alexander Kirov]

The most interesting thing is that this nonsense was made a reality, probably got stoned.

[balamut_x]

when viewed from the rear, this cruiser is missing something ... but I realized the barn lock

[mojohed]

BMT is a good thing, but where is the extra. gun 30 - 45 mm. for operational suppression of anti-tank systems, infantry and lightly armored vehicles and enemy firing points? I would also like to add 12,7-30 mm along with a 45 machine gun on the roof of the BMT head to a single cosmex (uninhabited module). quick-firing gun, well, and ATGMs to hang on the sides of the tower. YES, it would be better to attach a module with 4 MANPADS over the airborne squad. Then they would have solved the task of escorting tank maneuvers with cover from aircraft. Well, the arena would be hung and a curtain.

[svp67]

Quote: mojohed

. Well, the arena would be hung and a curtain.

There is a "curtain" at this object ...

[mojohed]

Well, by the way, I’d also attach an armored car to BMT and in it an MLRS, an ACS and a mechanic, Vasya, drunk and swearing at enemies in a megaphone. - here you have the powers of special psychological operations.
But seriously, the existing BMPs and BTRs are considered sufficient to provide support for tanks, if only their towers are replaced with modules, as in the BMPT Terminator.

[Best novel]

And the photograph is the only LAYOUT. There are NO active samples.

[k-yu]

an interesting idea, to modify it a bit, stick the engine in front, and increase the compartment for paratroopers.

[Crang]

You can’t do such symbioses. With his then MOH. So 3 people go into orbit, and so 8 is already too much. Yes, and the T-72/90 is still cooler.

[Kars]

Quote: Krang

Yes, and the T-72/90 is still cooler.

Do you continue to engage in self-deception?

[Argon]

After rereading the comments, I was once again convinced - "there are no prophets in their homeland" - well, isn't it? At first, we complain that the BMP is not sufficiently armed, then we are unhappy that the BMP is not sufficiently protected, and when we see it harmoniously combining all the advantages , the current MBT, we rush to the extremes of criticism. Moreover, many do not even bother to read the article carefully. Let's start with the concept: let's look at the evolution of domestic BMPs, it is obvious that there is more of a transport vehicle, which differs from an armored personnel carrier in fact only by enhanced protection (BMP-1 ) The machine has essentially turned into a light tank with an assault force (BMP-3), the security of which in modern combat is questioned, in connection with the revolution of anti-tank equipment. went from the opposite, slightly lengthening the hull and placed it in it (the landing pattern is similar to that of the BMP-3), providing protection at the level of the main tank. A higher class of protection can only have specialized MBT, like Israeli technology, however, adapted for def. specific application, not burdened by the requirements of mobility. I consider the number of paratroopers acceptable given that there are six of them in the BMP-2. Moreover, the landing force can fire from the car (for fans of the "Merkava"). The main tank's armament is completely preserved! Some may not like it But it is optimal for a "deployed army operation", and therefore for the BMP to perform its tasks in a combined arms battle. On the technical side, there are some questions about the maneuverability of the vehicle, because the supporting surface of the running gear is somewhat increased, but everything is quite solvable. I believe that with this work the Kharkovites have confirmed the title of Leader of Soviet Tank Building. I hope such a machine will be in the range of "Armata", however, the priority of Russia in armored vehicles has unfortunately been lost. About the reasons for the collapse of the described model as an export item, we can say that this is primarily the result of political situation in ukraine. On the other hand, who should rush to buy, all sorts of Bedouins who have seen a tractor for 50 years. Here the Germans, I am sure, nervously lit a cigarette soon, we should expect something similar from them. Why do I think so? Because, unlike the biduins, they had Manstein and Guderian.

[ken]

Ukrainians went along the line of least resistance. Apparently a lot of problems have to be solved if you simply deploy a cannon and attach an airborne compartment to the stern. In fact, it is to make a new tank, like a merkava, with an engine forward, only maneuverable and light. It would seem simpler, reverse the gearbox, move the tower a bit, rearrange the driver's seat, add an ice rink, and weld the compartment into the stern. There are a lot of pluses, but apparently our KBs are no longer capable of something like that.

[Selevc]

With all my desire to be a patriot, it seems to me that the BTMP-84 testifies to the complete insanity in the Ukrainian tank building ... Like our analogue of the Merkava - but as always, everything is pathetic, in a hurry and at random - if only they would report to the authorities about the work done !!! All the dust is in the eyes - another cheap "breakthrough in Ukrainian tank building" ...

Sorry, but the engine of this "DURA" where? Of course from behind ... I feel sorry for this very landing that will sit there !!! Tightness + strong noise and strong gas pollution from a running engine + heat - after all, I am sure that there are no air conditioners there ... :))) Yes, they will come out of there generally incapable of combat :))) And why abrasra - there through them little will be seen and where shoot them?

In general, the original turned out "BRONEDURA" !!! Two parodies came out at once - on the tank and on the BMP :)))

[zveroboy61]

Can attach a good trailer to a good tank, and all problems are solved.

[zveroboy61]

Maybe just a good trailer for a good tank and the issue is resolved.

[Alex]

Regardless of the advisability of such a miracle of technology. But...
Everyone who mooted about the deployment of the assault did not notice that the airborne compartment is located between the BO and the MTO, but not above or to the side of the MTO. Therefore, the body is elongated in comparison with the T-84. Hence the doubt that the weight is kept at the level of MBT. Unless, of course, weakened the booking.

[Yemelya]

Quote: Alex

Everyone who mooted about the deployment of the landing party did not notice that the landing compartment is located between the BO and the MTO, but not above or to the side of the MTO.

I agree, this is clearly visible on a similar alteration of the T-72.

As for the analogue of the "Merkava" - I suspect that due to the design features of the MZ, the tankers sitting in the tower through the aft door will not be able to leave the car.

As for the vulnerability of the rear door, I believe nothing prevents it from being layered (with spaced armor in the inside of the case).

[Kars]

Quote: Emelya

I suspect that due to the design features of the MOH, tankers sitting in the tower through the aft door will be able to leave the car.

In principle, the aft hatches are not evacuation, but the standard ones from the tank should remain.

[Alexander Kirov]

I would like the designer and ideologist of this machine to ride in a desert landing. A marasmic design from beginning to end.

[Yemelya]

I can’t understand why many people think that the airborne assault in BTMP-84 should be worse than in the BMP-1, etc.?

It is clear that without comfort, but why worse? They are sitting there almost in the center of the hull - a bumble, it seems like there should be less than in the stern. Five have three hatches.

The rest, of course - the car sucks.

By the way, the title of the article is incorrect. Symbiosis is a mutually beneficial addition. Here "hybrid" is more appropriate.

So the hybrid of the tank and the armored personnel carrier at the cost of deteriorating the characteristics of the tank.

[svp67]

And as I understand it, its first options

The same, but based on the T-72. It looks like it’s put on stream

[Argon]

In general, it’s difficult to understand where the idea comes from in the minds of the average person about the front placement of the MTO. From an engineering point of view, this is a recession. The designer, creating a tracked vehicle, tries to distribute the main masses evenly along the base. Specifically, according to BMP-3, the massive frontal armor is balanced with the reserve power unit, which It makes it possible to place the weapon module and TO near the center of mass, which significantly reduces fatigue. As a result, we get a car with excellent smoothness, which always saves weight and volume, for example, the power of the stabilizer hydraulic system is not high, there is no need to use hydropneumatic suspension. Now remember BMP -2, all those who operated the car will notice a significant buildup of the hull when starting off, movement over rough terrain. This is a result of the concentration of weight loads in the front of the hull and is a significant obstacle to the modernization of the machine.

[rennim]

Ukrainians GOOD !!! I think that such cars have a future. Perhaps there will be other weapons, layout, dimensions, but the concept is simply in the top ten ...

[Sirozha]

The idea of ​​creating a Heavy BMP is good. But this should be a fundamentally new car, and not a rework of the tank. This is some kind of crap with a hole in the ass. it seems to me that for a heavy infantry fighting vehicle, such an instrument is not needed, it is better to use a smaller automatic caliber gun.
And this is so, a tank, with the possibility of transporting infantry, but not BMP.

[Langeo]

Quote: self-propelled

Quote: Tomas A. Anderson

However, the concept of a battle tank / infantry fighting vehicle is a compromise and will lead to significant functional limitations.

that says it all. therefore, this technique has not become widespread. the only exception is the tanks "Merkava" -Mk1 / 2/3/4

Tank with a little corridor is a guest

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I quote one book (Chechen war: work on mistakes. 2009.)
"The idea is this: to arm the platoon not with BMPs, but with armored personnel carriers on a tank base. Moreover, there should be not 3 vehicles, but 4 with different weapon modules. Taking into account the scarce funding, the use and modification of the T-55 and T-62 is a way out.

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Based on t-64