The weapon of the Second World War. Torpedo boats

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Which boats do you think are the best?

1. Torpedo boat G-5. USSR - 34 (14.66%)
14.66%
2. Torpedo boat Vosper. United Kingdom - 15 (6.47%)
6.47%
3. MAS torpedo boat type 526. Italy - 9 (3.88%)
3.88%
4. Torpedo boat patrol RT-103. USA - 37 (15.95%)
15.95%
5. Torpedo boat T-14. Japan - 4 (1.72%)
1.72%
6. Torpedo boat D-3. USSR - 53 (22.84%)
22.84%
7. Torpedo boat S-Boat. Germany - 80 (34.48%)
34.48%
Let's take a small digression from our reviews on aviation and go to the water. I decided to start like this, not from above, where it’s important to blow up all kinds of battleships, battle cruisers and aircraft carriers there, but from below. Where passions boiled no less comic, albeit in shallow water.





Speaking about torpedo boats, it is worth noting that before the start of the war, the participating countries, including even the “Lady of the Seas” Britain, did not burden themselves with the presence of torpedo boats. Yes, there were small ships, but rather, for training purposes.

For example, in the 1939 year, the Royal Navy had only 18 TCs, the Germans owned 17 boats, but the Soviet Union had 269 boats. Shallow-water seas affected, in the waters of which they had to solve problems.

That's why we will start, perhaps, with a participant under the flag of the USSR Navy.

1. Torpedo boat G-5. USSR, 1933 year


Perhaps experts will say that it would be worth putting the D-3 or Komsomolets boats here, but it’s just that G-5 was released more than the D-3 and Komsomolets combined. Accordingly, these boats unequivocally took on such a part of the war, which is hardly comparable with the rest.



The G-5 was a coastal boat, unlike the D-3, which could well work offshore. It was a small boat, which, nevertheless, worked throughout the Great Patriotic War on enemy communications.

During the war, it underwent several modifications, the GAM-34 engines (yes, the Mikulinsky AM-34 became planers) were replaced by imported Isotta-Fraschini, and then the GAM-34F with 1000 horsepower, which accelerated the boat to crazy 55 nodes with a combat load. An empty boat could accelerate to 65 nodes.



Armament also changed. The frankly weak DA machine guns were replaced first by ShKAS (an interesting solution, to be honest), and then by two DShKs.

Perhaps the minus should be considered the need for a U-turn to drop torpedoes. But this was also solved, the TC G-5 fought the whole war and on the combat account of these ships a pretty decent pile of sunk enemy ships.

By the way, the tremendous speed and non-magnetic wooden-duralumin hull allowed the boats to trawl acoustic and magnetic mines.



Advantages: speed, good weapons, low cost design.

Disadvantages: very low seaworthiness.


2. Torpedo boat Vosper. UK, 1938


History the boats are notable for the fact that his British Admiralty did not order, and the Vper firm developed the boat on the initiative in the 1936 year. However, the sailors liked the boat so much that it was put into service and went into production.



The torpedo boat had a very decent seaworthiness (at that time British ships were the standard) and cruising range. He also went down in history by the fact that it was on Vpery for the first time on navy set automatic guns "Oerlikon", which greatly increased the firepower of the boat.

Since the British TCAs were weak rivals to the German “Shnellbots,” which will be discussed below, the gun came in handy.



Initially, the same engines were installed on the boats as on the Soviet G-5, that is, the Italian Isotta-Fraschini. The outbreak of war left both Britain and the USSR without these engines, so we have yet another example of import substitution. In the USSR, Mikulin’s aircraft engine was very quickly adapted, and the British transferred the technology to the Americans, and they began to build boats with their own engines from the Packard.

The Americans further strengthened the armament of the boat, expectedly replacing the Vickers with the 12,7-mm Browning.

The weapon of the Second World War. Torpedo boats


Where did the Vosper fight? Yes everywhere. Participated in the evacuation of the Dunkir disgrace, caught the German "Shnellbots" in the north of Britain, attacked Italian ships in the Mediterranean. Checked in with us. An American-built 81 boat was handed over to our fleet as part of a land lease. 58 boats took part in the battles, two were lost.

Advantages: seaworthiness, armament, cruising range.

Disadvantages: speed, large crew for a small ship.


3. MAS torpedo boat type 526. Italy, 1939 year


The Italians also knew how to build ships. Beautiful and fast. This is not to take away. The standard for the Italian ship is narrower than that of contemporaries, the hull, because a little more speed.



Why did I take the 526 series in our review? Probably because they even drew with us, and fought in our waters, although not where most people thought.

Italians are cunning. To two ordinary Isotta-Fraschini engines (yes, all the same!) For 1000 horses, they added a couple of Alfa Romeo engines for 70 hp. for an economical move. And under such engines, boats could sneak at 6 knots (11 km / h) for absolutely fantastic distances of 1100 miles. Or 2 000 km.

But if someone had to catch up, or quickly get away from someone, this was also in order.



Plus, the boat was not only good in terms of seaworthiness, it came out very versatile. And besides the usual torpedo attacks, he could quite walk deep bombs around the submarine. But this is more psychological, since hydroacoustic equipment on a torpedo boat is understandably not put.

Torpedo boats of this type participated primarily in the Mediterranean Sea. However, four boats in June 1942 of the year (MAS No. 526 — 529), along with Italian crews, were transferred to Lake Ladoga, where they participated in the attack on Sukho Island in order to cut the Road of Life. In 1943, the Finns took them for themselves, after which the boats served as part of the Finnish naval forces.


Italians in Russia. On Lake Ladoga.


Pluses: seaworthiness, speed.

Disadvantages: multifunctionality in the Italian version. The boat had weapons, but there were problems with its use. One machine gun, albeit a heavy one, is clearly not enough.


4. Torpedo boat patrol RT-103. USA, 1942 year


Of course, in the USA they could not do something small and fidgety. Even taking into account the technologies received from the British, they got a rather massive torpedo boat, which is generally explained by the number weaponswhich the Americans were able to place on it.



The idea itself was not to create a purely torpedo boat, but a patrol boat. This can be seen even from the name, for RT stands for Patrol Torpedo boat. That is, a patrol boat with torpedoes.



Torpedoes, of course, were. Two paired large-caliber Browning is a useful thing in every respect, but we are silent about the 20-mm automatic cannon from the Erlikon.

Why does the American Navy need so many boats? Everything is simple. The interests of defending the Pacific bases demanded precisely such ships, which were capable of performing patrol services in the first place and, if something happened, promptly flew away if enemy ships were discovered.

The most significant contribution of the RT series boats was the fight against the Tokyo Night Express, that is, with the supply system of Japanese garrisons on the islands.



Boats turned out to be especially useful in the shallow waters of archipelagos and atolls, where destroyers were wary of entering. And torpedo boats intercepted self-propelled barges and small coastal vessels carrying military contingents, weapons and equipment.

Pluses: powerful weapons, good speed

Disadvantages: perhaps not.


5. Torpedo boat T-14. Japan, 1944 year


In general, the Japanese somehow bored with torpedo boats, not counting them weapons worthy of a samurai. However, over time, opinion has changed, because the successful tactics of using patrol boats by the Americans greatly worried the Japanese naval command.



But the trouble lay elsewhere: there were no free engines. Fact, but indeed, the Japanese fleet did not receive a decent torpedo boat precisely because there was no engine for it.

The only acceptable option in the second half of the war was the Mitsubishi project, which was called the T-14.

It was the smallest torpedo boat, even the coastal Soviet G-5 turned out to be larger. Nevertheless, due to their space saving, the Japanese managed to squeeze so many weapons there (torpedoes, depth charges and an automatic cannon) that the boat turned out to be very toothy.



Alas, the frank lack of power of the 920-powerful engine, for all its advantages, did not make the T-14 any competitor for the American RT-103.

Pluses: small size, armament

Disadvantages: speed, range.


6. Torpedo boat D-3. USSR, 1943 year


It makes sense to add this particular boat, since the G-5 was a boat of the coastal zone, and the D-3 just had more decent seaworthiness and could operate at a distance from the coastline.



The first D-3 series was built with GAM-34BC engines, the second went with the American Lend-Lease Packards.

The sailors believed that the D-3 with the Packards was much better than the American Higgins boats that came to us under Lend-Lease.

The Higgins was a good boat, but the low speed (up to 36 knots) and the towing torpedo tubes, which completely froze in the conditions of the Arctic, somehow did not come to court. D-3 with the same engines was faster, and since it also turned out to be smaller in displacement, it was also more maneuverable.



The low silhouette, low draft and reliable silencing system made our D-3 indispensable for operations off the coast of the enemy.

So D-3 not only went into torpedo attacks on convoys, it was used with pleasure to land assault forces, transport ammunition to bridgeheads, set minefields, hunt enemy submarines, guard ships and convoys, and trawl fairways (deep-sea bombing by the German Don contactless mines).



Plus it was the most seafaring of Soviet boats, withstood the excitement of up to 6 points.

Advantages: a set of weapons, speed, seaworthiness

Disadvantages: I think that they are not.


7. Torpedo boat S-Boat. Germany, 1941 year


At the end we have the Schnellbots. They really were very “shnell”, that is, fast. In general, the concept of the German fleet provided for a huge number of ships carrying torpedoes. And the same "Shnellbots" were built more than 20 of various modifications.



These were ships of a slightly higher class than all those listed before. But what if the German shipbuilders tried to stand out in every possible way? And their battleships were not exactly battleships, and the destroyer could have puzzled another cruiser, the same thing happened with the boats.



These were universal ships, capable of doing everything, almost like our D-3, but possessed very impressive weapons and seaworthiness. Especially - weapons.



Actually, like Soviet boats, the Germans took on all their same missions to protect small convoys and individual ships (especially those coming from Sweden with ore), which, by the way, succeeded.

Ore carriers from Sweden calmly arrived at the ports, because the large ships of the Baltic Fleet stood in Leningrad throughout the war, without interfering with the enemy. But torpedo boats and armored boats, especially submarines, the “Shnellbot”, stuffed with automatic weapons, was too tough.



So I consider the control over the delivery of ore from Sweden to be the main combat mission that the “Shnellbots” completed. Although the 12 destroyers that were sunk during the war by boats - this is not enough.

Advantages: seaworthiness and armament

Disadvantages: dimensions, respectively, not great maneuverability.




A difficult life was for these boats and their crews. Not battleships after all ... Not battleships at all.
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    1. +23
      21 September 2019 07: 03
      Posted by G-5
      Armament also changed. The frankly weak DA machine guns were replaced first by ShKAS (an interesting solution, to be honest), and then by two DShKs.

      The G-5 torpedo boat, solely on the basis of official sources of the factories producing it, had over 11 schemes of various weapons architecture.
      So the 7,62mm quick-firing ShKAS instead of YES or DT is a logical design decision, especially considering the fact that our “fives” fought off aviation during planing! Fortunately, the boat is not a plane and there is much more space for ammunition.
      Yes, the 12,7mm DShK is much better, but they were trite enough, even for ships of a higher rank, so "for lack of a stamp we write on a regular one." Although the author missed a few more serial versions of the weapons of the G-5 - "Katyushami"! No, I seriously and without a joke, our hero had at least 4 variants of serial weapons with guides for M-8 rockets.
      But in addition to serial modifications, our “fives” were armed with abnormal Maxims and PVs based on the first! In the Black Sea they were sculpted with 20mm ShVAKs and even aviation DA-2 “pants” in circular rotation units from decommissioned TB-3s!
      The same goes for engines! The war dictated its conditions and launch boats of 41 and 42 years had such a hodgepodge that they could not be called “blinded from what else”! So the beautiful 50-55 knots did not “fly” by far all “fives”. However, torpedoes were used on piers and moorings much more often than on enemy ships!
      Well, the last one! Perhaps comparing up military torpedo boats, it was worth recalling our Sh-4, and if in general for the entire period of the war, then Komsomolets and Jung!
      Regards, Kote!
      1. +21
        21 September 2019 09: 28
        Excellent article! good
        I am proud that the G-5 torpedo boats were built in My Hometown! Specialists from Leningrad, Kherson, Kerch, Nikolaevsk, Rybinsk and Feodosia were evacuated to Tyumen!
        Often these boats were built on People’s money, so in addition to the numbers they got names: Tyumen Worker, Tyumen Komsomolets, Tyumen Pioneer! We Siberians, living so far from the sea ... it is difficult to believe in it ... BUT - IT WAS in fact!
        By the way, the First G-5 armed with Katyushas was built just in Tyumen! As a child, I went to kindergarten from this plant, as a schoolboy went on excursions to the Plant, listened to Veterans!
        Unfortunately, the Tyumen Shipbuilding Plant did not survive the "dashing" nineties ...
        1. +2
          21 September 2019 13: 44
          I wonder if there is a monument to Pyaterochka in Tyumen?
          1. +3
            21 September 2019 14: 08
            Unfortunately no! But, People know - People remember! hi
          2. +3
            21 September 2019 14: 25
            No, unfortunately
            1. +10
              21 September 2019 17: 25
              It's a pity!
              In the museum of military glory of the Urals (Verkhnyaya Pyshma, Sverdlovsk region) is a full-size model of Komsomolets!
        2. +1
          22 September 2019 14: 41
          An interesting detail is that the G-5 TKA was developed on the basis of the Tupolev float for a seaplane. (even in appearance it is very clearly visible).
          1. +2
            22 September 2019 18: 26
            Quote: Old Skeptic
            An interesting detail is that the G-5 TKA was developed on the basis of the Tupolev float for a seaplane. (even in appearance it is very clearly visible).

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            As a matter of fact, strange as it sounds, they were designed at TsAGI under the direction of A.N. Tupolev!
            1. +1
              22 September 2019 21: 08
              Tupolev did not think over the contours for a long time, but took the float from the unfinished seaplane, increased it several times (engine overchtroyka, etc.) and woo-ala a torpedo boat. He was good to everyone - "fast, hardy, and almost no need to feed." But it is not very stable during excitement at speed, since the float had to work in tandem with its colleague.
              1. +2
                22 September 2019 23: 50
                Quote: Old Skeptic
                But with excitement at speed, it is little stable since, since the float should have been paired with a fellow ..

                And hence all the disadvantages of the hulls of the boats Ш-4 (D-4) Г-5: in addition to the ones noted by you, this is the low corrosion resistance of the hulls. "So, the development of torpedo planing boats in the USSR stalled on the Г-5. 30-s had duralumin hulls.In comparison with stainless steel, this material was inferior both in mechanical strength and in resistance to corrosion.Duralumin was clearly not suitable for the construction of sea-going boats, and the Soviet Union with its long [178] sea borders needed in such ships even more than other powers. "
                http://and-kin2008.narod.ru/g5.html
                More about the shortcomings of the G-5 boat, you can refer to the article on VO "error of engineer Tupolev"
                https://topwar.ru/2224-oshibka-inzhenera-tupoleva.html
                1. +1
                  23 September 2019 12: 18
                  Quote: Amurets
                  And hence all the shortcomings of the hull of the Sh-4 (D-4) G-5 boats: in addition to the ones you noted, this is the low corrosion resistance of the hulls

                  In one of the issues of "Gangut" there was an article on the first Soviet TKA - it just described the measures given in the documents on these TKA to prevent corrosion of the hulls and measures to combat corrosion, if it had already appeared. EMNIP, these boats even had to be stored in the hangar or on the wall (but in no case "near the wall" smile ).
                  1. +2
                    23 September 2019 13: 31
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    In one of the issues of "Gangut" there was an article on the first Soviet TKA - it just described the measures given in the documents on these TKA to prevent corrosion of the hulls and measures to combat corrosion, if it had already appeared. EMNIP, these boats even had to be stored in the hangar or on the wall (but in no case "near the wall"

                    Memory does not change you. Solomonov, Kulagin. Torpedo boats of the G-5 series. This book contains a whole bunch of shortcomings of boats of type G-5.
    2. +4
      22 September 2019 13: 08
      Quote: Siberia
      but a comparison of the performance characteristics of ships and conclusions based on "sailors believed" does not mean that someone is better or worse. Here, you still need to focus on combat use and their results.

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      good drinks Bravo! AND NOT ONLY THIS!!! It is also necessary to take into account the tasks that were posed to the naval forces of different countries! And they were VERY and VERY VARIOUS!!!
      It is necessary to take into account not only performance characteristics, but also compliance with the "doctrine of naval warfare", geographic conditions, the criterion "cost / efficiency", the technological level of development of countries, efficiency in hostilities, etc. etc. ......
      Therefore, the sign (at the beginning of the article) - "choose the best" - from my point of view, DOES NOT MAKE any sense! I personally also participated and named 3 !!! Although of course it is SENSE ...
      For example - G-5 turned out to be the best for the USSR Navy (according to the criterion "cost / efficiency") ...... But try to use them in the Pacific Ocean !!! Confused - "0"!
      German Shelboats look the most powerful .... Has anyone COMPARED HOW MUCH they cost? HOW MUCH "man-hours" is needed for construction ??? As for me, this is the same as comparing the MPK Albatross with the corvette "Thundering" !!
      ---
      PS I hope in the next issues (Roman Skomorokhov, whom I love) will not compare the "gift of God" with scrambled eggs !!!!!
  2. +13
    21 September 2019 06: 54
    And about torpedoes from the G-5 can be more detailed?
    Grooved TA, torpedoes with their noses on the course, shoot back and go forward to the target. The downside is that you can’t shoot from a place, only on the move. Well, a maneuver after a volley
    it is an axiom.
    Photos are interesting, but the article does not pull on the monograph
    1. +1
      21 September 2019 07: 06
      I did not understand the same. Why turn around before shooting?
      1. +6
        21 September 2019 07: 30
        Yes, the author probably put it wrong. It is necessary to turn around not before firing, but after a shot to turn torpedoes off course.
        1. +16
          21 September 2019 08: 05
          Boats with grooved torpedo tubes before the shot were sharply accelerated, dropping torpedoes and at a speed exceeding - the torpedo went off its course to the side !!!
          So to make a torpedo volley was still that hemorrhoids! Especially considering that before the attack the boat went out on the glider - “ento is like a racehorse at a gallop, only along the waves”!
          So the transition to yoke and tube apparatus was much more logical!
          However, the Germans themselves used the flute concept of torpedo tubes even after the Great Patriotic War (the GDR TC series), however, like the Poles, they used the torpedo shot you used at the target after turning (in the stern), only the tubes were already tube !!!
          1. +4
            21 September 2019 08: 13
            Yes, that is right. And this is probably a big minus, because a covert attack was almost impossible due to the need to give full speed.
          2. +4
            21 September 2019 10: 06
            Let me complement you.
            And the crew of the boat had less than a quarter of a minute to leave (dump) from the combat course of the torpedo.
            PS "Fell off" is not slang, definition (perhaps the sailors will correct me).
          3. +5
            21 September 2019 10: 47
            I dare to supplement you. The minimum speed of the G-5 during torpedo fire is 17 knots.
        2. +3
          21 September 2019 09: 58
          That's right :) They answered smartly.

          Taking this opportunity, I want to remind the audience that TKs were also used to mine minefields.
          In general, the topic is for a separate article.
          1. +7
            21 September 2019 10: 38
            Quote: Gnefredov
            Let me complement you.
            And the crew of the boat had less than a quarter of a minute to leave (dump) from the combat course of the torpedo.
            PS "Fell off" is not slang, definition (perhaps the sailors will correct me).

            All right! However, in most cases, torpedo boats “rolled off”, not because of the dropped torpedoes that mainly went at a depth of 2 meters (obviously lower than the keel and propeller screws), but because of the target’s departure from the fire! Although sometimes the commander of the TC crossed the course of the convoys putting a smokescreen! However, our shopping malls were equipped with special checkers. The author forgot to mention!
            Regards, Kote!
      2. +9
        21 September 2019 11: 16
        Quote: Monar
        I did not understand the same. Why turn around before shooting?
        "On VO there was an article Error of engineer Tupolev" Under article link
        “Putting a normal (tubular) torpedo tube on such a boat was unrealistic. Therefore, planing boats fired torpedoes ... backwards. Moreover, the torpedo was thrown out of the stern chute not with its nose, but with its tail. at the time of the salvo, it had to go at a speed of about 20 knots (37 km / h), but not less than 17 knots (31,5 km / h), sharply turned to the side, and the torpedo kept its original direction, simultaneously taking the given depth and increasing the speed Needless to say, the accuracy of firing a torpedo from such a device is significantly lower than from a tubular one. "
        https://topwar.ru/2224-oshibka-inzhenera-tupoleva.html
        and yet, the Tupolev Design Bureau torpedo boats suffered from corrosion of the aluminum hull.
        "The painting of the underwater part of the hull was carried out by the German" Intertol ", similar to Kuzbasslak, while processing the duralumin for the hull, the method of" refining "without annealing was used, which, as it turned out, promotes corrosion. Therefore, after returning from each voyage, all boats had to be lifted to the coastal wall , wipe with kerosene and store in covered, well-ventilated rooms. They were released into the water only before the new exit to the sea "
        http://and-kin2008.narod.ru/g4.html
        1. +1
          27 September 2019 14: 48
          So Tupolev boats were a continuation of the idea of ​​British boats. Therefore, similar TA and everything else. Well, it is clear that the experience of hydroaviation was taken into account. But the scheme with a transverse step for seaworthiness goes to "-".
      3. +1
        22 September 2019 18: 16
        Quote: Monar
        I did not understand the same. Why turn around before shooting?

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        The boat does not turn BEFORE shooting, but AFTER! With grooved torpedo spreaders (namely torpedo spreadersrather than torpedo tubes!) torpedoes slide backward (along the way) and begin to move toward the target (after the boat), which after being dropped off, rolls to the side. The disadvantage of this method is that the torpedo hits the wake of the boat, which significantly reduces the accuracy of shooting! Well, in addition, torpedoes can be launched only at a BIG speed (not lower than the determined minimum).
        By the way, on the D-3 boats, the torpedo launchers were located side by side, which made it possible to launch at ANY SPEEDS and even "from the spot"! By the way, they often used it. W.t.ch. on the Black Sea Fleet, the D-3 often used the night ambush technique, drifting close to enemy bases. The presence of torpedo launchers (and not TA) in this case had the advantage that there was no sound of a shot and a flash, i.e. the enemy until the very end did not suspect that he was attacked and did not take counter-actions.
  3. +7
    21 September 2019 07: 26
    . Ore carriers from Sweden calmly came to the ports, because the large ships of the Baltic Fleet stood in Leningrad throughout the war, without interfering with the enemy. But torpedo boats and armored boats, especially submarines, the “Shnellbot”, stuffed with automatic weapons, was too tough.

    Question to the Author? How many armored boats were in the Red Banner Baltic Fleet in 1941, “42”, “43”, “44” and “45”? It is in the Gulf of Finland, excluding the flotillas of Lake Ladoga and Onega!
    Our big hunters, squadron minesweepers, gunboats and patrol ships could resist the German schnelbots! Only again "zarada"!
    By the winter of 41-42, in the Baltic, there were a little more large hunters and minesweepers than sea-class armored boats, and gunboats and watchmen stood at the artillery positions of Kronstadt and Leningrad, fending off the Wehrmacht's ground forces and guarding our communications in Ladoga and Niva!
    To be honest, I think any exit of our surface ships beyond the mine-artillery position in the Gulf of Finland until the spring of 1944 was equal to their death!
    In historiography I met a description of attempts to break through our submarines of the Pravda and Leninets class in the winter of the 41-42! In a word "horror" !!!
    Regards, Kote!
    1. +1
      22 September 2019 19: 54
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      In historiography I met a description of attempts to break through our submarines of the Pravda and Leninets class in the winter of the 41-42! In a word "horror" !!!

      This is well described in the autobiographical book of the commander of the submarine L-3 of the Baltic Fleet Pyotr Grishchenko "Fight under water".
    2. +1
      23 September 2019 12: 20
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Question to the Author? How many armored boats were in the Red Banner Baltic Fleet in 1941, “42”, “43”, “44” and “45”?

      Are "skerry monitors" MBK considered? wink
  4. +2
    21 September 2019 07: 33
    Perhaps the minus should be considered the need for a U-turn to drop torpedoes.

    what nonsense?
    1. +7
      21 September 2019 08: 07
      Nonsense! The man just did not understand.
      Regards, Kote! hi
      1. +3
        21 September 2019 08: 15

        probably confused with this.
        1. +5
          21 September 2019 08: 39
          Attention!
          Although I just think that the Author, in order not to be accused of plagiarism, has very intricately described the use of grooved torpedo tubes of the English scheme!
          hi
    2. +2
      21 September 2019 11: 51
      Rather, after dropping torpedoes, so as not to scatter them with a wake stream.
  5. +11
    21 September 2019 08: 33
    Speaking about torpedo boats, it is worth noting that before the start of the war, the participating countries, including even the “Lady of the Seas” Britain, did not burden themselves with the presence of torpedo boats. Yes, there were small ships, but rather, for training purposes.
    For example, in the 1939 year, the Royal Navy had only 18 TCs, the Germans owned 17 boats, but the Soviet Union had 269 boats. Shallow-water seas affected, in the waters of which they had to solve problems.

    “It's just Watson,” Sherlock Holmes said!
    In peacetime, it is necessary to build a "large fleet". Small boats are destined for the poor, and the Soviet Union in the “30s” was just a poor and industrially weak state armed with a purely defensive naval doctrine. From here and a large number of torpedo boats and submarines! The only trouble is that in addition to the small D-3 series of experimental (one at a time) “esoks”, G-8 and G-6, all of our TKs were of the class “defense of naval bases”, already for the protection of sea lanes and the fight against “ship boats” "Not intended!
    In fact, they were sharpening themselves against the British "big fleet", which was supposed to try to break through the mine-artillery position in the Gulf of Finland, and then "around the corner" skerry, at night, at the tremendous speed of fifty "fives" with a hundred torpedoes!
    Our Malyutka submarines, two torpedoes in a salvo, were also sharpened under this case!
    1. +4
      21 September 2019 10: 36
      The most interesting thing is that in the Northern Fleet until August 1, 1941, there was no TC at all.
      1. +6
        21 September 2019 10: 55
        Good morning Anton!
        In principle, everything is logical! Pyaterochka had a limit of three points, TD-3 had a small power reserve for the Northern Theater of War! In fact, the Northern Fleet in 1941 was at the stage of its formation, infrastructure was being built, warships, boats, submarines and support vessels were transferred, including along inland waterways.
        Actually, there was a “scumbag” of plans, but the war started !!!
        So in the north we fought back than we could! However, our small hunters more than once or twice bent down the German vaunted schnellbots !!!
        Good day to all!
        1. +5
          21 September 2019 11: 25
          On the account of TKA-12 under the command of A.O. Shabalina, 7 victories (one, however, controversial)!
          1. +3
            21 September 2019 11: 31
            If I'm Anton, I’m not mistaken! Of the 250 victories of our torpedoes, a little more than a hundred were confirmed! So, anyway, the bill is significant !!!
            1. +3
              21 September 2019 11: 41
              TKA-12 has only a submarine.
        2. +7
          21 September 2019 12: 06
          In the North, there was just what and where to fight back.
          1. The border in the year 39 did not move away, leaving the fortified areas in the rear
          2. The "tank wedge" strategy did not work.
          But at sea, problems arose when it turned out that there was simply nothing to accompany the convoys in their area of ​​responsibility. Let me remind you that the first convoy ("Dervish") left Liverpool on 12.08.41.
          1. +5
            21 September 2019 13: 41
            Admiral Golovko wrote in his memoirs that if he had destroyers, cruising submarines and cruisers on June 21, 1941, he would not be able to provide them and perhaps in the winter season there could be no loss in line-up on technical issues!
            For example, the only floating cranes in Murmansk were delivered from Britain by the Anton Dervish you mentioned !!! This is by the 44th we could park and repair the ship's crew right up to the battleships, at 41 alas, we were not ready !!!
            The same "Derevyashki" D-3 began to build in 1943! Submarines and destroyers from the Pacific Ocean and from the Black Sea, we began to transfer to the Northern theater only from 1942-1943 is also not easy! The base in Murmansk was not ready to accept!
            However, all this proves that we did not wait and did not want war! If we had hatched aggressive plans, we could saturate the Northern Fleet with ships of the first ranks from the Baltic and the Pacific Ocean in one navigation. Submarines and boats by rail and inland waterways! However, this was done a year before the war and was done during the war itself! Fortunately, shopping malls and Malyutki were built taking into account the transportation of railway transport, and the Leninists and ESKI could go along internal routes!
            1. +3
              21 September 2019 14: 32
              I am terribly sorry, Vlad, but:
              1. "Dervish" did not enter Murmansk, only "harrikeins" from the escort aircraft carrier flew to Vaenga. The first convoy received in Murmansk was PQ-6 (20.12.41.)
              2. D-3 went into series in 1939
              1. +3
                21 September 2019 17: 44
                Anton why apologize?
                At the weekend, I am cut off from my library, I write comments from memory, so I can make a mistake!
                I heard about pontoon American cranes from veterans in the late 90s! They claimed that the first caravan of the Allies brought them to Murmansk in 1941. So I knowing that the first caravan was Dervish, I sincerely thought that he brought the cranes.
                About D-3, the mistake is not mine, but the author of this article!
                The headline!
                . 6. Torpedo boat D-3. USSR, 1943

                Regards, Vlad!
                1. +2
                  21 September 2019 17: 49
                  This is not quite a mistake. Up to 43g. 7 of them were built.
                  1. +2
                    21 September 2019 18: 26
                    Anton, I could be wrong, but they weren’t called TD-3 before the war?
                    1. +2
                      21 September 2019 19: 08
                      Vlad, I can’t answer, I have to dig into the history of the Leningrad plant number 5 or the memoirs of the chief designer L. Yermash
                  2. +2
                    22 September 2019 23: 22
                    On the Internet indicate 26 D-3 built from 1940 to 1942.
            2. +2
              23 September 2019 13: 06
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              Admiral Golovko wrote in his memoirs that if he had destroyers, cruising submarines and cruisers on June 21, 1941, he would not be able to provide them and perhaps in the winter season there could be no loss in line-up on technical issues!

              So ... if the main fleet base cannot provide ships in the base with electricity, water and steam from the shore - what normal basing can we talk about? EMs in the main base were forced to keep the boiler under steam or drive diesel generators - as a result, by June 1941, half of the EM SF needed repair of the power plant.
      2. 0
        27 September 2019 14: 51
        It’s creepy to even imagine these cans in the Northern Fleet. A little wave and it is necessary to reduce the speed and there comes a complete horror.
  6. +1
    21 September 2019 08: 36
    Perhaps the minus should be considered the need for a U-turn to drop torpedoes.

    belay What? I threw a torpedo from the gutter back and went FORWARD, along the boat!
  7. +5
    21 September 2019 08: 50
    Perhaps the minus should be considered the need for a U-turn to drop torpedoes.


  8. +7
    21 September 2019 08: 58
    On RT-106, the boat's commander was Lieutenant John Kennedy, future president of the United States.
    The use of torpedo boats during the war was very different from the concept of this before the war.
    The appearance on ships of a large number of automatic and quick-firing anti-aircraft and universal guns greatly limited the use of TC for its intended purpose against warships, although it was used anyway - at night, in fog, etc. On transport, spot, applying TC was easier.
    The air defense of the boats was also doubtful, and this also left its mark.
    TCs were used rather as universal ones — they delivered goods, sabotage and forestry groups, etc.
    1. +7
      21 September 2019 10: 10
      How to say! 10 Heroes of the Soviet Union, one of them - twice. This is with a small number of units. Is this talking about something?
      1. +6
        21 September 2019 11: 21
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        How to say! 10 Heroes of the Soviet Union, one of them - twice. This is with a small number of units. Is this talking about something?

        Anton, you're right! Let the majority of the victories of our torpedoes not be confirmed, service on the mall was far from simple. One has only to look at these insects! But because of the mass, they were used for special operations, landing, courier, sentinel and mine action! They drove and loads!
        1. +6
          21 September 2019 11: 37
          Well, actually, Shabalin received the second Star for the landing operation in Liinahamari. But he started from scratch! He developed his own tactics for using TC.
      2. -5
        21 September 2019 12: 31
        This says that the Hero in the Navy was given for any success, even small by the standards of other fleets.
        1. +14
          21 September 2019 13: 03
          Well, if the destruction of a destroyer and a patrol boat by two torpedo boats in one battle is a small success, what do you think is big? "Fill" "Tirpitz" from the liferaft with one grenade?
          As for the awards, by them Headquarters, the fleet, oh, how they did not spoil!
          1. 0
            21 September 2019 13: 10
            And now more about this case
            1. +3
              21 September 2019 13: 20
              In which place more?
              1. +1
                21 September 2019 17: 55
                About the sinking of the destroyer and patrol boat with two boats.
                1. +3
                  21 September 2019 18: 08
                  22.12.43/12/XNUMX. TKA-XNUMX as part of a group of boats attacked a German convoy. During the battle, the destroyer and escort guard patrol were destroyed.
                  1. +2
                    21 September 2019 18: 18

                    On December 22, 1943, together with the TKA-201 boat, under the command of Senior Lieutenant D.L. Kholodny, he participated in a successful attack by an enemy convoy consisting of a destroyer, six patrol ships, ten sea hunter boats and four minesweepers covering three large vehicles. Palamarchuk was the first to break through to the target and, in a torpedo attack, sank a destroyer, the Cold boat sank a transport with a displacement of 5000 tons
                    Now you can find out the number of the destroyer? Or a destroyer?
                    1. +2
                      21 September 2019 18: 47
                      I can’t report this, because I don’t know.
                      Counter question: Are you trying to convict me of something?
                      1. +2
                        21 September 2019 20: 23
                        So, to talk about some kind of event, you need to know about it. How much the destroyer and watchman were sunk in this battle, I also don’t know, but without detracting from the personal heroism of the Soviet katerniki (like the rest of the katerniki, in order to drive the shells in the raging sea, you must have steel rings anyway), but the love of the Soviet command to postscript I also remember.
                      2. +2
                        21 September 2019 20: 28
                        In ignorance of texture. These "victories" were not confirmed. The cross check on German and our documents, which was carried out by M. Morozov, showed this well.

                        The irony is that the results of katernikov against surface ships and vessels were near-zero.
                      3. +1
                        21 September 2019 20: 35
                        That is, the TKA-12 crew account did not have six destroyed surface units?
                      4. +5
                        21 September 2019 20: 44
                        No.

                        All Baltic TCAs during the entire war sank SEVEN goals. And torpedoes finished off another ship that had previously been blown up by mines.

                        Specifically, TKA-12 has only one real success - SKR V-308, 23 Sep. 1941 of the year.
                      5. +2
                        21 September 2019 20: 54
                        Shabalin received the first Star "for his presence in the theater"?
                      6. +3
                        21 September 2019 21: 00
                        Shabalin received the first Star "for his presence in the theater"?
                        ,,, something is doubtful that the GSS for just like that? request
                      7. +3
                        21 September 2019 21: 08
                        TKA-12
                        ,,, if TKA-13 what
                      8. +2
                        21 September 2019 23: 19
                        Yes, there’s some kind of jamb, I also noticed.
                      9. +5
                        21 September 2019 21: 07
                        I did not read his award sheet. But the statistics are just that.

                        In general, the Second World War showed the absolute futility of TKA in the form in which we used them.

                        7 victories in the Baltic, 10 in the North, 4 in the Black Sea.

                        This is if from torpedo attacks. At the same time, considerable losses and expenditure of huge resources for the construction.

                        There are also enemy ships damaged by machine gun fire and blown up by mines fired from boats. There are comparable figures.

                        The destroyer katernikami only one hit in the entire war - Z-34, already in the 45 year under Danzig. (TC-266, 269).
                      10. -1
                        21 September 2019 21: 12
                        And you read. Resource podvignaroda.ru
                      11. 0
                        21 September 2019 21: 20
                        Above already posted. But these victories were not confirmed in the end. Maybe he just didn't hit. The Baltic Fleet has terrible statistics on the number of torpedoes fired on an affected target.
                      12. -1
                        21 September 2019 21: 29
                        Above, Mr. Timokhin, I asked you a specific question, answering your accusations of not knowing the texture. You, in turn, are again discussing statistics, moreover, on the Baltic Fleet.
                      13. 0
                        21 September 2019 21: 45
                        Confused Baltic TK-12 and northern TKA-12

                        According to Shabalin.
                        From the award sheets, it follows quite well that the GSS could be given to him without taking into account victories.

                        Regarding the real statistics of this commander - one transport on each of the boats that he commanded. 165 and 200 tons. 20% of all SF cattleman wins in the torp. attacks.

                        It's all right?
                      14. +3
                        21 September 2019 22: 04
                        No, it won’t.
                        About "considerable losses". 367 dead boats during the entire war at all naval theaters.
                        About the "consumption of huge resources for construction." At 43. construction of the D-3 series was resumed. This is in the presence of "free" lend-lease supplies of this class of equipment. And the filling of the "wooden" ones was half imported. Do you think that in the third year of the war you did not learn to count resources?
                        And yes, I still do not understand the texture?
                      15. 0
                        21 September 2019 22: 18
                        367 dead katernikov for the entire war on all naval theater.


                        Little what? This is exactly a rifle battalion + 3 man, consisting entirely of desperate, and competent sailors. Do you think that there would be nowhere to use them with a benefit greater than what actually happened?

                        About the "consumption of huge resources for construction." At 43. construction of the D-3 series was resumed.


                        Mr. 5 You have technically forgotten.

                        Do you think that in the third year of the war you did not learn how to count resources?


                        Or maybe take an early period?

                        And yes, I still do not understand the texture?


                        And what has changed over the past hour?
                      16. +4
                        21 September 2019 23: 01
                        1. I think nowhere. If only to reduce them to a rifle battalion and send to plug another gap at the front.
                        And so people fought and died at their post, doing exactly what they were taught.
                        2. I have not forgotten. They were built until 44 years old. About project 123bis, on 1943-45 (33 pcs.), Also did not forget.
                        3. And earlier, the country did not have the opportunity, not to build, repair something larger, except in Arkhangelsk.
                        4. My opinion about your awareness and impartiality has changed (but these are my problems)
                        5. Your opinion about the uselessness of the "mosquito fleet", only your opinion, and thank God!
                      17. 0
                        23 September 2019 22: 09
                        But what about the t-31.
                      18. 0
                        23 September 2019 22: 02
                        The largest combat NK sunk by the Soviet NK, just on the account of the TK.
          2. +1
            21 September 2019 21: 25
            This, by chance, is not about the attack of Gumanenko? Tell us the number (name) of the destroyer. And the watchdogs, too.
            In short - it was not like that.
            1. +2
              21 September 2019 21: 33
              At the moment - about Shabalin.
      3. +2
        21 September 2019 15: 07
        And what is this talking about?
        1. +4
          21 September 2019 15: 23
          It is likely that katerniki really fought at sea. Do not get it wrong, the Navy can be proud of Safonov and Rakov as much as you like, but still they are pilots.
          1. +3
            21 September 2019 16: 32
            in my opinion, this only speaks about the personal qualities of individual awarded sailors and does not characterize the subject of discussion in any way - the boats themselves.
            1. +3
              21 September 2019 16: 54
              I agree with the latter!
              However, people are fighting ...
    2. +5
      21 September 2019 10: 56
      RT -106 boat commander

    3. +5
      21 September 2019 11: 03
      but on RT-109 wink





      1. +1
        21 September 2019 15: 09
        Yes, I have a typo. On rt-109.
      2. 0
        21 September 2019 21: 27
        The prefabricated model RT-109 in 1/35 scale is on sale. If it is in 1/700, I will definitely do it.
  9. +3
    21 September 2019 09: 43
    In (already distant) 2013, at VO there was an article by Vadim:
    https://topwar.ru/2224-oshibka-inzhenera-tupoleva.html
    The article is certainly controversial but interesting.

    I will not take part in the vote. Why? The topic is controversial. Under certain conditions, this or that TK will be in the most favorable conditions. You can’t somehow unambiguously give priority to a particular product. Now, if the question is: which of the TCs is most effective:
    - in the Arctic Ocean;
    - in the Black Sea;
    - in the Baltic.
    (Winter? Spring? Summer?). Here it would be possible to think how to vote correctly. And so, the question has been raised very widely.
    hi
  10. +11
    21 September 2019 11: 17
    For me, in the first place S-bots! If we take into account comparisons, then the Germans, due to increased displacement, received more powerful and versatile ships than just a torpedo boat. Long range due to diesel engines and, therefore, less fire hazard, the deployment of more powerful weapons, decent seaworthiness. This is a kind of microminar carriers. Speed ​​at the level of conventional TCs of other countries. The fact that the author indicates less maneuverability, this parameter is not critical. In a collision with their own kind and in the presence of automatic weapons, this is not so important, but in a collision with a large enemy, speed data and the maneuverability that they had was enough to get out of the battle. The increased sizes in a battle with their own kind give the best combat stability .... So it is S-bots for me personally that sit on top of the pyramid among the samples described today hi Wonderful truly versatile ships for coastal warfare smile
    1. -2
      21 September 2019 15: 26
      This is exactly what I did not want to discuss.
      (fucks half a ton of TNT on your head).
      Angry, office animals. Generally without brakes.
    2. 0
      22 September 2019 01: 00
      Survived in his own skin a five-point storm.
      I will not envy the enemy.
  11. 0
    21 September 2019 11: 21
    Thank you for the article! Of all the 2MV ships, I like MO-4 and TKA-D-3, G-5, * Vosper * and Shnelbot the most! and don’t ask, why? I can’t explain it myself!
  12. -1
    21 September 2019 11: 25
    non-magnetic wooden-duralumin case

    And this is on the G-5 ....
    And they say that duralumin in the USSR was in terrible shortage .....
  13. +2
    21 September 2019 11: 50
    Alistair McLean "The Cannons of Navarone"
    "... The torpedo boat, equipped with powerful aircraft engines, was moving at an average speed ...
    ...
    ... But there was some kind of hitch.
    “I bet five pounds that the engine failed,” Brown grumbled. The accent betrayed the Scotsman.
    “That's right,” Mallory said in surprise. “How did you find out?”
    “Trouble with those damn engines,” Brown growled. - They are wayward at torpedo boats. Like a movie star. "

    Somewhere else came across infa about the unreliability of the engines of the English TC. Old became, the memory of a girl.
  14. +2
    21 September 2019 11: 54
    The G-5 had serious maintenance problems. Aluminum and salt water
    1. 0
      21 September 2019 15: 30
      lol yeah. There, even cooler.
  15. 0
    21 September 2019 11: 59
    In toys Г-5 enjoys certain popularity.
    1. +7
      21 September 2019 14: 58
      soldier ... And he's in the movie (dumb) feel
  16. 0
    21 September 2019 12: 31
    And what is the abbreviation TKA? The English had the term MTV torpedo boat motor, Bali artillery MGB motor gun boat, by the way, D-3 torpedo launchers were also tow
    1. 0
      21 September 2019 13: 30
      Curious abbreviation, can I ask you to open a topic?
      Thank you!
    2. +1
      21 September 2019 15: 26
      Perhaps this designation of belonging to a particular division?
  17. +4
    21 September 2019 13: 18
    Posted by D-3
    “So the D-3 not only went into torpedo attacks on convoys, it was used with pleasure to land troops, transport ammunition to bridgeheads, set minefields, hunt enemy submarines, guard ships and convoys, trawl fairways (German bombarding deep bombs) bottom contactless mines).
    Plus it was the most seafaring of Soviet boats, withstood the excitement of up to 6 points.
    Advantages: a set of weapons, speed, seaworthiness
    Disadvantages: I think that they are not. "
    In fact, the author is right, but one of the drawbacks of the “wooden” ones was the lack of a radar and a hydrophone !!!
    In this, the Americans and the British supplied to us by land lease exceeded our D-3 !!!
    1. +3
      21 September 2019 14: 47
      Under the Lend-Lease Agreement from the USA to the USSR, the following were delivered:
      ,,, 90 boats of Vosper type (RT-53 — 60, RT-400 — 449, RT-661 — 692);
      55 of type "Higgins" (RT-85-87, 89, 197, 265 — 276, 289 — 294, 625 — 656);
      60 of the Elco type (RT-498 — 504, 506, 508, 510-521, 552-554, 556 — 563),
      30 boats (RT-731 — 760) disassembled.
      In fact, all boats of the D-3 (TKA) series are supplied by the Americans.
      1. +4
        21 September 2019 15: 22
        Torpedo boat patrol RT-103
        ,, why 103? it's just the number was, the RT series. And they were built from 7 December 1941 year to 1 October 1945 year 690 pcs.


      2. +2
        21 September 2019 15: 31
        Stop, Sergey! D-3 is a domestic project P-19-OK.
        1. +2
          21 September 2019 15: 40
          3x3zsave (Anton) Today, 16: 31
          laughing so I probably said something wrong. what
          Torpedo boats in the USSR WWII designation had TCA? Shabalin A. About the commander of the torpedo boat TKA-12 type "D-3" or not?
          1. +2
            21 September 2019 15: 42
            Absolutely right! What's the catch?
            1. +2
              21 September 2019 15: 42
              Stop, Sergey!
              request
              1. +2
                21 September 2019 15: 48
                You said that D-3 was entirely a landlord supply, I named the number of the project on which they were built. Or did we misunderstand each other?
                1. +2
                  21 September 2019 15: 54
                  ,,, mixed in a bunch laughing so what i wanted what
                  The novel in the article does not very characterize American deliveries of RT, D-3 how many were produced in the USSR and how much did RT deliveries amount to? All of them (D-3 and RT) were assigned the designation TKA. Basically, all the torpedo heroes fought on Lend-Lease boats. winked that's what Yes
                  ,,, or did you think that I praise Americans bully
                  1. +2
                    21 September 2019 16: 01
                    Oh, got it! D-3 released 73 pieces. Shabalinsky TKA-12 was a domestic production.
                    1. +4
                      21 September 2019 16: 27
                      Shabalin TKA-12
                      ,,, yes, but Bykov Vasily Ivanovich
                      The TKA-242 torpedo boat, under the command of Senior Lieutenant V. Bykov, rushing ahead and rushing along the entire convoy in 10 cables (1852 meters) from it, put a long smoke screen. This provided a covert approach to the remaining boats. Suddenly appearing from a dense smoke screen, they quickly attacked transports and quickly disappeared. Strong fire from enemy ships and coastal batteries proved to be ineffective. During 37 minutes of battle, 13 boats launched 25 torpedoes. The suddenness and swiftness, accurate calculation allowed the katernikov to brilliantly perform the combat mission. The enemy lost 14 transports and guard ships, and 3 ships were damaged. It was the most significant and one of the most successful battles of the North Sea torpedo boats.


                      TKA-242 is PT-431 (built on 25 on January 1944 g. - 6 on February 1944 g.), Received as part of the land lease in March 1944. something like this:
                  2. +3
                    21 September 2019 17: 28
                    "Praising Americans"
                    Well, I'm not Kaptsov! laughing
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  19. +5
    21 September 2019 14: 56

    Descent Of A Torpedo Boat At Hampton On Thames (1939) soldier

    PT 109 pass the Panama Canal 1943 soldier
    1. +1
      21 September 2019 15: 14
      Head rt-103
      Kennedy served at 109
  20. +6
    21 September 2019 15: 13
    hi ... In the end, we have the Schnellbots. They really were very “shnell”, that is, fast ..
  21. +5
    21 September 2019 15: 43
    ... Incidentally, everything else turned up the Italian torpedo boat MTSM recourse
    Years in service 1940-1945
    About 100 built
    Main characteristics
    Displacement 3 tons
    8,5 meter length
    2,48 meter width
    Engines 2 x Alfa Romeo AR 6c
    Power 190 hp (general)
    Travel speed 34 knots
    Crew 2
    weaponry
    Mine-torpedo armament 1 x 450-mm torpedo or 2 x depth charges
    from the wiki
  22. +2
    21 September 2019 18: 40
    Quote: Gnefredov
    Let me complement you.
    And the crew of the boat had less than a quarter of a minute to leave (dump) from the combat course of the torpedo.
    PS "Fell off" is not slang, definition (perhaps the sailors will correct me).

    correct))) - roll off from the wall, pier, side of another vessel. In our case, a boat turns off torpedoes off course! hi
  23. +1
    21 September 2019 19: 05
    Good review. And the theme is original. Little about torpedo boat materials. Thanks to the author!

    By the way, in my opinion there is some kind of confusion with the photographs, it seems to me that the author’s photo of the American four-torpedo PT was flashed into the Pervers section.
  24. +5
    21 September 2019 21: 25
    Kote pane Kohanka (Vladislav), respected, as well as respected 3x3zsave (anton) has to correct you a little, although not at all about torpedo boats. In 1941, neither we nor the British were sure that Murmansk would withstand the attacks of the Germans. That is why from August to November 1941 the British submarines "Tigris" and "Trident" were based here, it was the British, not our North Sea submariners, who sank the first German ships in the Barents Sea. In the event the USSR left the war, British submariners had to drown the destroyers of the Northern Fleet so that the Germans would not get them. In the fall of 1941, an agreement was reached on basing the 6th British flotilla of minesweepers (5-6 ships) on Yokangu and Arkhangelsk to guard sea convoys from Britain to Arkhangelsk and back (the so-called local convoy ships) ... Fear of the loss of Murmansk and its bombing the Germans led to the evacuation of the Wotan coal loader, 2 portal cranes with a lifting capacity of 7,5 tons and a railway to the Arkhangelsk port. crane with a lifting capacity of 6 tons. So there were destroyers on the Northern Fleet in 1941, and some of the port equipment was in Murmansk ... In 1942, the British crane ship "Empire Bard" came to Arkhangelsk with a PQ-15 convoy , and with the PQ-16 "Empire Elgar" with heavy cargo booms (two - 50 tons each, 4 - 15 tons each, 4 - 5 tons each). They worked alternately in the summer - in Arkhangelsk, in the winter - in Murmansk, unloading heavy cargo. Both ships sailed back to Great Britain in the summer of 1944.
    1. +3
      21 September 2019 21: 39
      Great comment, comrade! Unfortunately, the mobile version does not reflect the names.
  25. +5
    21 September 2019 21: 44
    Voted for the snell bot. Because it is larger and seaworthy. Consequently, more weapons and fire control devices can be installed. By the way, if I’m not mistaken, wooden.
    In general, it is difficult to compare boats created for different tasks and for different theaters. The G-5 is the smallest and nimble, can quickly move and induce a cuddle. Or plant reconnaissance. Or about 30 paratroopers. As a platform for weapons - nothing. For in view of the small size and low seaworthiness, the accuracy of shooting is not. Yes, in the Black Sea, rocket guides were also placed on them. The accuracy is bad, but it was not bad to drive the Germans away from our ships. This is what the task is: to drown more enemies or protect your own.
    In general, I deeply respect both G-5 and D-3 and those who served on them. In what conditions people served them, read Protsenko's "Moments decide everything." I have a 5/1 scale model of a G-700 ambushed in a cove wink .
    Photo of Kennedy and the RT-109 crew - class! Brave heroic guys, a kind of "Captains America". I remembered the old funny comedy "McHaley Fleet".
    I have been following the work of Miroslav Morozov for 20 years. Very authoritative specialist. I recommend his book "Soviet submarine fleet 1922-1945". A very serious comprehensive study of the Soviet submarine fleet in the specified period.
    Further, we are waiting for a comparison of guard patrols, frigates, corvettes, destroyers?
    1. +3
      21 September 2019 21: 58
      Brave hero guys, a kind of "captains America

      ,,, as it were, but the remains of Kennedy's crew were saved after they were rammed by the Japanese cruiser Amagiri.
  26. +5
    22 September 2019 00: 26
    For some reason, the British Vosper 73 foot motor torpedo boat Tipe I and Tipe II, produced in 1943-1945, remained behind.

    Vosper 73 ft Type I MTB
    In the Type I variant, at a speed of 40 knots, it carried 4 × 18 in (457 mm) torpedo tubes, a 1 × 20mm Oerlikon and a 2 × .303 Vickers K machine gun.
    1. +5
      22 September 2019 00: 39

      In the Vosper 73 ft Type II MTB variant at the same speed of 40 knots, the armament consisted of two 18-inch (457 mm) torpedo tubes, a QF 6 pdr (57mm) Mark IIA gun, 20mm Oerlikon and two 0.303 Vickers.
  27. +1
    23 September 2019 08: 22
    small yes remote
  28. +1
    23 September 2019 16: 24
    Voted for the 1st place of Vosper. This is the first serial torpedo boat with round-bore seaworthy contours. In fact, most of the subsequent US TCA and part of England is a repetition of its type.
    The author missed another type of TKA - the British company Fairmile, large universal boats with a displacement of up to 120 tons, with armament of 2-4 TA and a variety of guns, up to 57-mm anti-boat. The boats of this company in the royal fleet included up to 250 pieces, this is a separate chapter in the history of the fleet.
    By type D-3. Experienced boat was tested in 1940 with 3 engines of 1200 hp. showed an excellent speed of 48 knots. At the 5th plant in Leningrad, in 1939-1941, a large series of D-3s was laid, but then it suddenly became clear that the aviation industry could not supply engines. The first production boats went with a delay in timing with engines of 850 hp, which immediately dropped the quality of the boat - the speed was up to 34 knots. The situation was saved by the Packards supplied to us under Lend-Lease. However, 73 D-3s were delivered in the TKA version and another 56 were completed in the MO version. In addition, on the basis of the D-3, a project was developed for a unified boat "200" - OD-200, TD-200 and TM-200.
    The words that the D-3 was better than Lendliz boats, can be questioned. Both in terms of seaworthiness and armament, the latter are better and stronger than D-3, equipment of a much higher level, and better construction quality than in besieged Leningrad.
    1. 0
      23 September 2019 18: 09
      Quote: Potter
      The author missed another type of TKA - the British company Fairmile, large universal boats with a displacement of up to 120 tons, with armament of 2-4 TA and a variety of guns, up to 57 mm anti-boat

      EMNIP, Fairmile are more noted as "antiboat boats", designed to combat snellboats. The spiral of history made its turn - and half a century later, "destroyer destroyers" appeared again. smile
  29. 0
    27 September 2019 02: 18
    double impression of the article. The topic is good, but the review is sketchy and meager, therefore frivolous. For half of the boats, the author did not indicate the speed ("low speed" is not a specific indicator). About the main armament, thanks to which this type of boats got its name - torpedoes - the author did not mention at all. In general, another article is needed for such an article, with specifics, preferably with examples of combat use, etc.
  30. -1
    29 September 2019 05: 02
    It is strange that there is no mention of Elko boats in the article.
  31. 0
    7 October 2019 15: 30
    Our torpedo boats were clean TKA, the role of "snail boats" and "Vosperov" with "PE-103" in our fleet was performed by "Moshki"
    And it’s hard to overestimate the role of Moshki in the Black Sea Fleet’s operations!
    The most heroic guys in the Navy, along with the Marine Corps, fought in the most difficult places and performed a wide range of tasks! Yes
  32. -3
    21 November 2019 19: 08
    When comparing boats, it would be appropriate to additionally inform:
    1.German boats are the most expensive and have constantly experienced difficulties with the supply of DM diesel engines. The above-mentioned factors did not allow the mass production of boats to be launched in comparison with Britain, the USSR and the USA.
    In a sense, German TK counterparts are tank prodigies like Tiger.
    2. The Soviet G-5s had one very important advantage with respect to the peculiarities of the USSR water basins - they could be transferred by rail (like M-series submarines). Thus, a large shock group could be concentrated on the threatened theater. Unfortunately, there are people who do not understand this. ...
  33. 0
    23 November 2019 20: 28
    After the war, there was a project of an artillery boat specifically to combat the Shnelbotami. But then the interest disappeared.