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US Marines switch to the "Russian" cartridge 7,62 mm

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US Marines will soon have at their disposal the new semi-automatic sniper rifles M101A1, created as part of the CSASS (Compact Semi-Automatic Sniper System) program. These rifles were originally developed under the cartridge caliber 7,62-mm. Many American publications call the cartridge "Russian", although naturally we are talking about the standard NATO ammunition 7,62x51 mm. The Russian cartridge of caliber 7,62-mm is called for its strong connection with the AK-47 assault rifle, which is widely used throughout the world and is well known to the Americans.




American analogue of SVD


The US Marine Corps soldiers have rightfully managed to earn a reputation as well-aimed marksmen, they confirm their ability to shoot well since the creation of the corps in 1775. Specialists note that it is the marines' snipers that are best at mastering their skills, in comparison with other representatives of the American armed forces. It is for this reason that the decision of the Marine Corps to switch to the new compact semi-automatic sniper rifles M101A1 attracted great attention of military experts and journalists.

The new semi-automatic rifle with German roots, responsible for its creation was the world-famous German company Heckler & Koch, which will replace the classic M110 sniper rifle. In turn, another Mk 13 Mod 7 sniper rifle in the Marine Corps will replace the single-shot M40 rifle with a longitudinally sliding rotary bolt. This rifle will receive a new cartridge .300 Winchester Magnum, presented in the same caliber 7,62-mm, but with a sleeve length 67 mm, which makes the ammunition much more powerful. The initial flight speed of such a bullet exceeds 1000 m / s, and the effective aiming range increases to 1200 meters. At the same time, the use of old 7,62-mm cartridges in the new CSASS semi-automatic rifle has caused some concern about the effectiveness of using this rifle as a sniper platform.

The new American sniper rifle M101A1, which was created by the designers of Heckler & Koch, is characterized by increased mortality precisely due to the use of cartridges of the caliber 7,62 mm. Such cartridges have a large stopping effect, compared with traditional rifle weapons US Army cartridge caliber 5,56 mm. In addition to the greater stopping power, the 7,62-mm cartridges are also distinguished by their better penetration ability, which becomes especially relevant in modern realities when the United States returns to the era of confrontation with large armies. A hypothetical military confrontation with China or Russia automatically suggests that soldiers in bulletproof vests with well-developed personal protective equipment will meet the Americans on the battlefield. Under these conditions, the old 7,62X51 NATO cartridge, which was adopted by the alliance countries in the 1954 year, becomes relevant again.

M110A1 CSASS


Today, cartridges of the 7,62 mm caliber, which have a high degree of kinetic effect on the enemy and have sufficient lethal force, are often associated in the USA with rifles in the style of the famous Soviet Kalashnikov assault rifle, the creator of which would have turned 100 years this year. Comparing the American AR-15 assault rifle and the Soviet AK-47 assault rifle, we can highlight several of the most noticeable differences between the two rifle systems. Since the American AR-15 rifle under the 5,56 mm caliber cartridge is a more accurate and light weapon (with the same number of rounds), AK, in turn, is traditionally famous for its reliability and great destructive force and stopping action of the 7,62 mm bullet, while losing weight and effective firing range.

Why do some experts oppose the 7,62 mm cartridge


Unlike modern, more powerful cartridges, for example, the 7,62X67 mm, which is used in the new American high-precision sniper rifle Mk 13 Mod 7, the classic 7,62 mm cartridges have good lethal force, but lose their effectiveness and accuracy at long distances, having a lower initial speed. Like the well-known and still widely used Dragunov army sniper rifle (the famous SVD), which shoots similar ammunition - the 7,62x54R, the American semi-automatic CSASS sniper rifle is limited by the effective range of 800 meters, which is a real problem for snipers who are accustomed to the Marine Corps targets at a distance of over 1000 meters. At the same time, the CSASS rifles, which, apparently, are an adaptation of the H&K G28 model to the requirements of the American military, have their obvious advantages. These rifles are lighter, and in their dimensions practically do not differ from traditional assault rifles. This not only does not distinguish a sniper from other fighters, but also allows you to effectively use weapons in modern short-range combat, especially in urban areas. In addition, weapons are more convenient when transporting soldiers with armored vehicles or vehicles.

At the same time, the 7,62x51 NATO cartridge exceeds the 5,56 mm cartridges in terms of the impact on the enemy, especially if the shooting is carried out on target in body armor. But the effective range of the CSASS system with such a cartridge is limited to 600 meters when shooting at a chest target and 800 meters when shooting at a growth target. In an interview with the American newspaper The Washington Post, one of the Marine Corps scouts noted: “It does not matter that you will be a more trained fighter if you are shot at a distance of a thousand yards, that is, before you can effectively shoot at the enemy yourself. What is the point of all training then? ”. True, the scout is clearly disingenuous, given that the new M110A1 semi-automatic rifle has its own quite obvious niche, the same as the Soviet / Russian SVD army rifle, while the marines will receive a standard "bolt" rifle Mk 13 to ensure truly high-precision shooting Mod 7, allowing you to reach targets at a distance of more than a kilometer.

M110A1 CSASS


At the same time, for now, simple marines will still be armed with weapons chambered for 5,56 mm. This is a variant of the automatic infantry rifle M27, the production of which is also engaged in the company Heckler & Koch. At the same time, it cannot be ruled out that in the near future the entire American army will switch to larger caliber ammunition. In particular, serious work is underway to introduce the 6,8 mm cartridge and develop new shooting systems in this caliber. In terms of their ballistic qualities, such ammunition will in no way be inferior to 7,62 mm caliber cartridges, while remaining lighter, which is also of great importance for each individual fighter who carries pouches with additional stores.

In general, it can be noted that the US military is moving towards a return to the old calibers and the creation of new ammunition with great power, great stopping power and greater penetration. The US Marine Corps, like all the country's armed forces, is being reorganized in preparation for possible military conflicts with an equal or close enemy. The creation of new cartridges and the appearance of rifles such as the M110A1 CSASS and the Mk 13 Mod 7 are an integral part of the efforts being made in this direction.
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  1. Strashila
    Strashila 3 September 2019 05: 44 New
    +2
    "and the effective aiming range increases to 1200 meters.", Mosinka with a barrel of 800 mm, the same is possible. The quality of the barrel, and the quality / stability of the ammunition, optics, ballistic computer, are important in weapons. If you initially shoot the barrel under a certain batch of cartridges, then you can work long distances from a stationary position. In modern conditions, the caliber of ammunition of 9-10 mm (7,62 few, and 12,7 many) will probably be in demand, which will be able to provide sniper shooting at 1200-1500 m.
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 3 September 2019 06: 52 New
      +12
      And there is such a caliber and everyone knows it and uses it. This is a .338LM.
      And in the 10 mm range, .408CT.
      Ours, too, would not hurt SVD and SVK to work out under .300WinMag. Alterations at least, the design allows. SVD has a reinforced version under 9,3x63 on the basis of which it would be possible to do under .300WM. And SVK in general under .338LM. So, too, there is a margin of safety under .300WM.
      1. Rwmos
        Rwmos 3 September 2019 09: 52 New
        +4
        Orsiz is under both Lapua Magnum and Winchester Magnum. And the SVD is already an outdated rifle, but you can improve it by half a bast for non-sour money. Meaning?
        In addition, the introduction of another caliber in the Army should be treated with caution - this will add leaps in logistics. So if something machine guns fit, or on the very edge and sniper. sobbing, you will fill in a tape. But what will you do when dragged by a .338 re-grader? Specura is another matter. They have everything non-standard and piece
        1. Izotovp
          Izotovp 3 September 2019 10: 10 New
          +2
          We already have such leapfrog with calibers that it’s time to be determined. At least 3 pistol, 3 intermediate, 4 rifle + large-caliber rifle and this is not a complete list ...
        2. Astronaut
          Astronaut 3 September 2019 20: 38 New
          +2
          In addition, the introduction of another caliber in the Army should be treated with caution - this will add leaps in logistics

          Thank God, at least someone understands, but does not drag hunting cartridges into the army hi
        3. oprovergatel
          oprovergatel 6 September 2019 15: 11 New
          +2
          Well, not that the SVD is obsolete.

          For her purposes, she is quite herself. After all, the SVD is a sniper of the battlefield, infantry support. The ability to increase the range of targeted fire compartment. The main distances for her work are 200-400 meters. No, of course, there are cases when the only people were shooting beards from her (from Afghanistan in 800, sniper Vladimir Ilyin killed Dushman from 900 meters, but this is a unique case and a record not only for SVD, but in general for rifles of 1985 mm caliber), but this is an exception to the rule, such arrows are piece goods, and not a mass phenomenon, especially in simple infantry.

          So, for such an application it is enough for the eyes, unless, of course, the hands of the shooter do not grow from where the legs come from. It is simple, unpretentious, easy to disassemble / assemble / maintain in the field. In addition, it is self-loading, with reliable operation of automation, which in a critical situation allows you to engage in small arms combat even at close range against enemies armed with automatic weapons, of course not forgetting the magazine’s capacity of 10 rounds. meters - a thankless task.

          In general, KMK, although this is hemorrhagic from the point of view of supply and logistics again, it is necessary to introduce a sniper department armed with a sniper rifle (designed for an effective firing range of at least 1200-1500 meters). And the shooters armed with the SVD will play the role of Marxman (marksman) - people prone to long-range marksmanship, selected from among the soldiers of the department as a result of initial training in gun ownership and undergoing special sniper training. In principle, if the entire compartment was reequipped by, conditionally, the AK-12, equipped with a collimator combined with at least 2x magnification, then among these soldiers a fighter armed with SVD will look like a Marxman.

          So in its niche SVD is still in the lead. just do not expect from her outstanding sniper qualities. She was not created to win the competition for the most accurate and far shooting rifle.
      2. FRoman1984
        FRoman1984 18 November 2019 05: 49 New
        0
        There is no point in making semiautomatic devices in magnums. Magnums are used from 800 meters, where 308Win is at the limit. A semiautomatic device does not give that accuracy as a bolt rifle, but at distances beyond 1000 - accuracy is critical. Technical accuracy of the semiautomatic device, God forbid, 1 arc minute per hundred square meter - the limit is usually worse. At 1000 meters, 1 minute turns into 30 cm. This is a miss.
        Therefore, only bolted, not SVD and SHF and other crafts from KK.
        There is a domestic solution from Orsis. She is the "Precision" in the army version.
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 3 September 2019 07: 29 New
      +7
      Mosinki with a barrel of 800 mm, the same is possible.
      Can. Question - where?
      The Mosin infantry rifle, which had a barrel of 800 mm, had a sight cut to 3200 steps (2275 m), and Mosin’s rev. 1891/30 on the basis of Dragoon - 2000 m. This is an aiming range.
      The “Instruction ...” of 1916 provided for firing from closed positions and firing at squares.
      And the effective firing range, according to the “Instructions ...” of 1954, is 400 m for a rifle with a mechanical sight and 600 m for a sniper.
      1. Earthshaker
        Earthshaker 3 September 2019 11: 06 New
        +2
        The Mosin infantry rifle, which had a barrel of 800 mm, had a sight cut to 3200 steps (2275 m), and Mosin’s rev. 1891/30 on the basis of Dragoon - 2000 m. This is an aiming range.

        This is a requirement of the military, most likely. The generals were preparing for the last war and demanded sights for firing on heavy battle formations of infantry such as the square. Not noticing that the time is coming for machine guns and infantry attacks with a chain.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 3 September 2019 14: 05 New
          +5
          "Generals always prepare for the past war"
  2. riwas
    riwas 3 September 2019 06: 42 New
    +1
    If we talk about increasing the effective firing range and armor penetration, then the American THOR M408 .408 sniper rifle is better suited for this purpose.
    https://topwar.ru/62861-krupnokalibernaya-snayperskaya-vintovka-thor-m408.html
    And our sniper rifle Lobaev SVL
    http://warweapons.ru/snayperskaya-vintovka-lobaeva-svl-kalibr-408-chey-tac/
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 3 September 2019 08: 45 New
      +2
      From this point of view, you can immediately look further towards light artillery))
      Here, as always, a balance is needed: on the one hand, range and efficiency, on the other, acceptable mass and dimensions, and on the third, cost.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 3 September 2019 11: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: Kalmar
        A balance is needed: on the one hand, range and efficiency, on the other, acceptable mass and dimensions, and on the third, cost.

        A 60mm mortar will surpass a large-caliber rifle in both effective range and efficiency and cost. The mass does not greatly exceed, and for the time it takes to train one sniper, you can prepare fifty mortar gunners.
        Of course, he cannot replace a sniper rifle in all fire tasks. Of course, part of the tasks of a mortar in a company can be solved by RPG or LNG, but the company mortar has its own niche and is not at all sure that it is right that we do not have a 60mm mortar now.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 3 September 2019 11: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Captain Pushkin
          A 60mm mortar will surpass a large-caliber rifle in both effective range and efficiency and cost. By mass it will not exceed

          Well I do not know. The lightest thing that was able to quickly google, weighs about 15 kg (twice as heavy as a rifle under 338LM). Each mine - 1.0-1.5 kg. The navel will unleash such happiness on itself to drag. Then, how many mines will it take to destroy a single target at a distance of, say, 1000m? And if the target is still in the bunker? In general, a mortar is certainly good, but it can’t replace a sniper.
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 3 September 2019 14: 10 New
            0
            You +: a sniper will be needed for a very long time, he only needs the appropriate weapon
          2. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 3 September 2019 16: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Kalmar
            weighs about 15 kg (twice as heavy as a rifle under 338LM

            Here's to you about the weight of 12,7 mm rifles. "The mass of heavy weapons was also much less than the mass of domestic and especially foreign counterparts, in which it, as a rule, exceeds 20, or even 30 kg."
            The goal in the bunker, this is suitable for the sniper, and more effective than ATGM or RPG.
            But there are other goals. For example, an observer or spotter in a trench with a stereo tube.
            What is more effective, sniper or mortar?
            Or the group goes short dashes in the grass at a distance of 400-600 meters.
            What is more effective, sniper or mortar?
            Etc. etc. Those. everyone has their own goals. For some, a rifle is more effective, for some, a mortar.
        2. tracer
          tracer 3 September 2019 18: 14 New
          +2
          That's a thousand times you're right. Everything has a limit including the range of sniper rifles. Again, worried that for some reason someone doesn’t care about someone from a rifle, they don’t worry at all, that they are much more likely to cover a mine. Yes, what is there .. ZU 23 put on the "lawn" or "Ural" or what else is there? It will disperse everyone and fly at a distance 2 times greater than any rifle. And then 3 times. And the rifle brought in the article is simply an analogue of our SVD in caliber. .308 or 7.62 × 51 NATO (although they differ slightly). .... Hello to everyone who claims that SVD is "morally obsolete." It is not moral or immoral, it is a weapon that performs its task as before. And enough to confuse the characteristics of sports rifles and sniper rifles. They are close when possible, but not the same, since their tasks are different.
    2. FRoman1984
      FRoman1984 18 November 2019 05: 53 New
      0
      Best 338LM from Accuracy International, Sako, Manlicher, etc. and an armor-piercing cartridge from Swiss with a 252 grain bullet.
      You can carry all these 408, 50bmg on yourself - you can die. It is only in films that everything is beautiful.
  3. SVD68
    SVD68 3 September 2019 06: 48 New
    +6
    Semi-automatic rifles are translated into Russian as self-loading rifles.
  4. Deck
    Deck 3 September 2019 06: 48 New
    +5
    These rifles were originally developed for a cartridge of 7,62 mm caliber. Many American publications call the cartridge "Russian", although naturally we are talking about the standard NATO ammunition 7,62x51 mm


    Can I provide links? The 308Win cartridges (and 300WinMag) are equipped with a .308 "diameter bullet. Hence the name. 7.62x54R has a .313" diameter bullet. The Americans have a cartridge of 220 Russian on re-loaded from 7.62x39 (Blum’s sleeve). Maybe the author did not understand the content of the articles?
    Is the "M101A1" a 105 mm howitzer during World War II?
    1. Shuttle
      Shuttle 3 September 2019 09: 46 New
      0
      Mr. Pertti! You made my day !!!
      (I can not put more than one plus sign)
  5. Ali Kokand
    Ali Kokand 3 September 2019 07: 03 New
    +2
    The rifle is for the Marxman, in the same place where the SVD is optimal. And whose cartridge is the most theirs with 7,62 / 51 or 7,62 / 54R?
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 3 September 2019 08: 55 New
      0
      Equally. + / -
  6. Jcvai
    Jcvai 3 September 2019 08: 55 New
    0
    the new .300 Winchester Magnum cartridge, presented in the same 7,62 mm caliber, but with a 67 mm sleeve, which makes the ammunition much more powerful

    Correct the translation to "powerful." And then, like in Harry Potter, the ammunition whose caliber cannot be mentioned.
    (And it would be nice to make a hint on highlighting errors through control + enter with script buttons for touch devices)
    1. AUL
      AUL 3 September 2019 09: 36 New
      +4
      Have you ever met the term "power of ammunition"?
      1. Jcvai
        Jcvai 3 September 2019 12: 38 New
        0
        I didn’t come across ... Until now, the word "efficiency" was enough.
        But, live a century - learn a century: google, thank you, I will know.
  7. Carib
    Carib 3 September 2019 09: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Strashila
    ..... In modern conditions, the caliber of ammunition of 9-10 mm (7,62 few, and 12,7 many) will probably be in demand, which will be able to provide sniper shooting at 1200-1500 m.

    those. Three different mass sniper caliber !!!
    I think this will not come to this. “Medium” distances, I think, will be covered by snipers with 12,7 caliber, from farther “beds”.
    1. missuris
      missuris 4 September 2019 08: 16 New
      0
      so 0.408 is an easier replacement 12.7 and more distant, or a change of the bullet itself from 12.7 is required
    2. oprovergatel
      oprovergatel 6 September 2019 17: 30 New
      0
      12,7 are already powerful and heavy fools! You don’t especially move with such ones. There should be a sniper in the compartment with a sniper rifle to cover a distance of 1200-1500 meters. With SVD - Marxman.

      And since when is 12,7 this a “mass sniper caliber”?
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  9. Operator
    Operator 3 September 2019 10: 51 New
    +4
    The 7,62x51 mm cartridge has been officially recognized as the unpromising US Ministry of Defense - last year the NGSW competition was announced for the development of a self-loading rifle and machine gun for the new 27x6,8 mm cartridge (pictured right) over the course of 51 months, the diameter of which is two millimeters larger than the diameter of the existing XNUM cartridge mm (in the photo in the center)


    The muzzle energy of the new cartridge with an increased charging chamber is 4,3 KJ against 3,1 KJ, so the main contenders for victory in the competition are weapons with automatic weapons based on the long barrel stroke of the Auto-5 type of Browning gun, which “stretches” the recoil force in time.

    The bullet of the new cartridge with a hardened core of high carbon steel provides penetration of the ESAPI armor plate at a distance of 100 meters.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 3 September 2019 11: 15 New
      +3
      This is for the army, perhaps. Marines have their choice of weapons.
  10. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 3 September 2019 11: 01 New
    +6
    US Marines switch to the "Russian" cartridge 7,62 mm


    Many American publications call the cartridge "Russian", although naturally we are talking about the standard NATO ammunition 7,62x51 mm. The Russian cartridge of caliber 7,62-mm is called for its strong connection with the AK-47 assault rifle, which is widely used throughout the world and is well known to the Americans.




    What does 7.62x51 have to do with 7.62x39 (AK)? 7.62x51 has nothing to do with AK, as it does with SVD (7.62x54).

    US Marines will soon have at their disposal the new semi-automatic sniper rifles M101A1

    Marksmanki, DMR, but not "sniper rifles." These are slightly different terms.
    1. bunta
      bunta 3 September 2019 13: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Marksmanki, DMR, but not "sniper rifles." These are slightly different terms.

  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 3 September 2019 11: 14 New
    +3
    "who are used to hitting targets at a distance of more than 1000 meters" ///
    ----
    Still, 1000 yards, I guess. 900 m
    And that too. Usually, snipers fire at a maximum of 700 meters.
    1. tracer
      tracer 3 September 2019 22: 06 New
      -2
      I also faded from their habit at 1000 meters.
  12. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 3 September 2019 14: 09 New
    +1
    Well, they are moving to the new Marxman rifle M101A1 - created on the basis of Heckler & Koch KH417 for a long time.
    Why they cross over is also known: the failure of M110A1
    The rifle entered the troops in 2008. The M110 rifle was used quite intensively in combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. As of today, it is known that the following complaints were received from the troops on the M110 model:

    Weapon Insecurity
    Poor spare parts supply
    Locking problems
    Poor quality control
    Lack of accuracy
    Low durability


    That is, the KMP at the time made an unsuccessful choice of the Marxman rifle, now urgently forced to take a more reliable M101A1.
    And almost 5000 pcs of M110 in a landfill ...
  13. Corn
    Corn 3 September 2019 16: 18 New
    +4
    US Marines switch to the "Russian" cartridge 7,62 mm
    from the heading, it becomes obvious that the ILC goes to 7.62 * 39 or 7.62 * 54r, that the perfect does not correspond to the content of the article and common sense. The question is, why do yellow headlines mislead readers?
    It does not paint the editors at all.
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 3 September 2019 17: 58 New
      +2
      It’s not yet evening ... maybe tomorrow they will continue the article as the ILC ordered 100500 million cartridges from the Russian Armament.
  14. intuzazist
    intuzazist 3 September 2019 19: 33 New
    +1
    And how is an uneducated moderator ?! Offended when politely sent to the library. I was promised to break me intellectually ... ....
    1. tracer
      tracer 3 September 2019 22: 11 New
      -3
      Well, the Millionaires .. It seems that they are trying, but nothing comes of it. Clip thinking facts are pulled and pulled by cat causal places
  15. serge siberian
    serge siberian 3 September 2019 19: 42 New
    0
    I, as I understand it, our SVD can shoot their cartridge 7,62 by 51, and their vintar our 7,62 by 54 no. Or am I mistaken? Correct please. hi
    1. tracer
      tracer 3 September 2019 22: 08 New
      -3
      "Does the car have round wheels? So all the cars can ride all wheels." Specially retained the style of your question. In essence of which the answer is viewed.
  16. Mephody
    Mephody 3 September 2019 20: 40 New
    +2
    The title is monstrous. Why not write for hype. 7,62mm (aka three lines in an inch system, aka 0,3 inches) cannot be called "Russian". With the same success he is English and American
  17. paul3390
    paul3390 4 September 2019 13: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Operator
    new cartridge 6,8x51 mm

    The craving of people to constantly reinvent the wheel is amazing .. There is, for example, an old 6,5 × 55 Swedish cartridge with excellent heap and flatness, very popular in sports and hunting circles in the West .. No - we’ll spend a lot of dough, but we’ll build almost exactly the same, but like your ...
    1. karen12
      karen12 7 September 2019 20: 48 New
      0
      Then it’s better to take 260 remington, which has a sleeve from 308, than to take as a basis the Swedish 6,5x55mm cartridge, it is simpler and cheaper, besides the Swedish is 9mm longer.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 7 September 2019 20: 58 New
        0
        Then .243 Win as a more common ...
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    2. Pavel57
      Pavel57 10 September 2019 18: 08 New
      0
      Interestingly, ours are jerking in this direction. You can recall the Fedorov cartridge.
  18. paul3390
    paul3390 3 October 2019 08: 34 New
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    Quote: Izotovp
    SVD and SVK work under .300WinMag

    .300WM, with all its advantages, it’s a very angry cartridge .. It’s very soft, the recoil is very sharp and unpleasant ..