Features of combat training of pilots of the Air Force and the US Navy. Who are American pilots preparing to fight with?

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During the Cold War, there were special aviation units, the main purpose of which was the training and training of pilots of combat squadrons in the techniques of close air combat with fighters armed with countries of the eastern bloc. During the war in Southeast Asia, instructors from the US Navy's fighter combat training school (TOPGUN) flew the A-4 Skyhawk, which was the closest to the North Vietnamese MiG-17F in terms of maneuverability. In the 1980s, as part of the Constant Peg secret program, Soviet and Chinese-made combat aircraft were used for training: MiG-17, MiG-21, MiG-23, J-7 (Chinese copy of the MiG-21), as well as Israeli Kfir C fighters .1 and American F-5E / F Tiger II. In the 1990s, Americans had the opportunity to familiarize themselves with the MiG-29 fighters in detail. Several 4th-generation Soviet-made fighter jets received from countries that were part of the Department of Internal Affairs and the former republics of the USSR were tested in test centers and participated in training air battles. But the leadership of the U.S. military in the 21st century found it inappropriate to constantly operate MiGs in combat squadrons designed to indicate a conditional air enemy.

Features of combat training of pilots of the Air Force and the US Navy. Who are American pilots preparing to fight with?

Fighter F-5E from the composition naval training squadron VFC-13




F-5 fighters in US Navy training squadrons


After the liquidation of the Warsaw Pact and the collapse of the USSR due to a decrease in international tensions, the Red Eagles and Aggressors aviation units that existed in the US air force and naval aviation were eliminated. However, taking into account the fact that for planes of carrier-based aviation, the risk of collision with enemy fighters is much higher than that of airplanes based on land airfields, the admirals decided to revive squadrons equipped with fighters different from those in service with the Air Force and Navy. This was done to ensure that combatant pilots could train in training air battles with fighters that they were not familiar with, which had to develop the ability to withstand a non-standard air enemy. Already in 1996, the naval squadron VFC-13, based at Fallon airbase in Nevada, where the US Navy pilots training center TOPGUN is also located, was re-equipped with re-equipped and lightweight F-5E / F fighters. Currently, the extremely worn-out F-5E / F buildings of the second half of the 1970-s are almost completely superseded by the modernized F-5N aircraft. As of 2018 year, the number of aircraft 13 was in VFC-23.


F-5N fighter from the VFC-111 at Key West Air Base. Photo taken in 2014 year


In the second half of 2006, a squadron of VFC-111 was formed at the US Navy's Ki West air base in Florida, currently equipped with seventeen single-seater F-5N and one double-seater F-5F. Fighters of this type are also part of the training squadron of USMF VMFT-401 fighter jets at the Hume Marine Corps Air Base in Arizona.

Speaking about the existing squadrons, intended to designate enemy fighters in close combat, it is worthwhile to consider in more detail the aircraft on which they fly. Traditionally, since the mid 1970-ies of the Air Force, the Navy and the USMC used light fighter F-5E / F Tiger II. In terms of their maneuverability, the Tigers were closest to the MiG-21. In the squadron "Aggressors" were selected the best pilots and it is not surprising that they quite often won in training fights with much more modern F-14, F-15 and F-16. Northrop has passed the most recent F-5E / F in 1987 year. To date, the age of the aircraft has exceeded three decades and large investments are required to maintain them in flight condition. In addition, most of the existing "Tigers" due to the development of operational resource is in the final stages of the life cycle.

Due to budgetary constraints, the US Air Force broke up with the latest Tigers in the early 1990's. After that, the F-5E / F were operated only in the naval training squadrons. To maintain the required minimum strength of the fighter fleet in the Aggressor units in 2000, it was decided to buy out the Tigers that are being withdrawn from service in Switzerland. Aircraft F-5E / F, built in Switzerland under a license, were in very good technical condition and had a relatively small raid. Initially, a batch of 32 aircraft was acquired, but after Key West decided to create another training squadron, in 2004, the Navy Command signed an agreement for an additional supply of 12 aircraft.

Modernization of the former Swiss F-5E corporation engaged Northrop Grumman. During the restoration work, a part of the fuselage is replaced. A new navigation system and an integrated multi-function display have been introduced into the onboard electronic equipment. This can significantly improve the ability of the pilot to navigate and understand situational awareness. With the aircraft dismantled weapons and equipment necessary for its use, which has saved weight. The upgraded aircraft additionally installed systems for fixing various flight information, weapons simulation with the ability to distribute missile launch points, fix the target and evaluate the effectiveness of the simulated weapons.


Google Earth satellite image: F / A-18, F-5N and Hunter Mk.58 aircraft parked in Key West airbase


The first modernized aircraft took off on November 25 2008 of the year and entered the 401 th Marine Corps Fighter Squadron (VMFT-401) 9 December 2008, the second F-5N was delivered to the 111-th mixed squadron in Key West. At the end of 2010, the management of Northrop Grumman Corporation announced the execution of a contract for the overhaul and modernization of the F-5N aircraft.

F-16 fighters in US Navy training squadrons


However, the Tigers are far from the only type of aircraft used by the US military to imitate enemy aircraft. Back in 1985, the US Navy ordered a batch of extremely lightweight and specially modified F-29N fighter jets to simulate air combat training of Soviet MiG-16. All the weapons and gun units were dismantled from the aircraft, and a simplified avionics were installed. On the F-16N mounted sensors and monitoring and recording equipment, allowing to record training battles in detail. For the manufacture of aircraft of this modification used F-16C / D Block 30. In total, 26 aircraft were built, of which 22 are single F-16Ns and four are double TF-16Ns.


F-16N


Operation of the F-16N in the naval training squadrons continued from 1988 to 1998 year. Such a short lifespan is due to the fact that during the training tasks the planes intensively maneuvered with the maximum permissible overloads, and after 10 years since the start of operation, most of the vehicles had cracks in the wing and fuselage elements. In the 2002, the F-16N was replaced with the F-16A / B, originally intended for Pakistan. The deal with Islamabad was blocked after it became aware of the development of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program. Aircraft taken from the storage base of Davis Montand, have been reworked at Lockheed Martin in Fort Worth, Texas. From the former Pakistani F-16, the armament suspension units and the gun, as well as the weapon control equipment were removed. Connected and navigation equipment was changed, and the fuselage and wings, based on the operating experience of the F-16N, were enhanced.


Google Earth satellite image: F / A-18 and F-16 aircraft parked in Fallon airbase


F-16 fighters flying in the TOPGUN aviation school carry an unusual color uncharacteristic of Air Force and Navy fighters. TOPGUN is the only naval aviation unit where F-16 lightweight single-engine fighters are used, depicting Russian MiG-29 in training battles.


F / A-18 fighters and airplanes of other countries' air forces used to simulate an air enemy


Until recently, the X-NUMX F-14 fighters were based on Fallon airbase. In addition to the "Tigers" and "Fighting Falcons", the F / A-16A / B Hornet and F / A-18E / F Super Hornet fighter planes, as well as the E-18C Hawkeye DRLO aircraft, are operated at the TOPGUN training center.


Fallon air base parking


Although the US Navy and the United States Emergency Commission for the organization of air combat training uses specially modified fighters much more widely than the Air Force, it is clearly not enough for all naval aviation fighter pilots to have a stable melee air combat skill.


Upgraded F / A-18А Hornet fighter-bombers from the VFC-12 reserve training squadron in the camouflage of a conditional opponent


In order to visualize the enemy's air, in a number of combat and reserve deck squadrons, F / A-18A / B and F / A-18E / F aircraft were camouflaged close to that used by Russian Su-35C fighters. So, for example, at the Oshane airbase in Virginia, F / A-18A fighter-bombers of the VFC-12 reserve training squadron are camouflaged in a similar way. Aircraft of this unit, acting on the exercises as a conditional enemy, received "destructive camouflage" and red stars on their keels in the 2012 year. Their opponents in training air battles in most cases are deck "Hornets" and "Super Hornets". Practically every year, joint flight training exercises with the Allied countries are organized in the USA. In 2018, 12 of the French carrier-based fighter jets Rafale M, which took part in joint maneuvering with American aircraft, arrived at Oshane airbase.


Google Earth satellite image: F / A-18 and Rafale M aircraft parked at Osheana airbase


In an official press release on the results of joint exercises, it is stated that the parties achieved close cooperation during the flights and gained valuable experience during joint maneuvering. However, in unofficial sources based on the impressions of the direct participants in the air battles, it is said that in certain maneuvers the French fighters at certain times had an advantage over the Americans, and some flight modes are inaccessible even for the very modern F / A-18E / F Super Hornet, which The present are the basis of American carrier-based aircraft.

Imitation of potential enemy fighters in the US Air Force


However, not only naval aviation and marines use fighters in atypical camouflage to visualize a conditional enemy. At Nellis airbase, located in Nevada, 13 km northeast of Las Vegas is the headquarters of the 57 tactical group (57 ATG), which, in addition to intelligence, communications and information support, until recently had two squadrons Aggressors ": 64-I and 65-I.


Fighters F-16С from the composition of the 64th AGRS


The 64 Squadron squadron (64th Aggressor Squadron, abbreviated 64th AGRS) is armed with 24 F-16С. The squadron, known as the 65th Aggressor Squadron, is currently in a state of reorganization. The pilots of this squadron flew the F-15C. Due to budgetary constraints, the future of the 65 Squadron was questionable, in March 2019 of the year, information appeared that the Air Force command decided to keep the Aggressors unit equipped with heavy fighters.


Fighter F-15С from 65th AGRS


Pilots with the highest qualifications are selected in the 64 and 65 squadrons. They fly on specially modified and lightweight fighters, whose color reproduces the camouflage of combat aircraft of countries considered potential opponents of the United States.


Google Earth satellite image: F-16C fighters from 64th AGRS parked at Nellis airbase


Aircraft 64 th and 65 th squadrons are very actively used in air combat training. According to accepted practice, combat squadrons of the Air Force and the US Navy arrive at the Nellis air base on their aircraft. Also at the site adjacent to the air base, major exercises are annually organized with the participation of combat aircraft of the allied states. Over the past five years, the French Rafale M and Mirage 2000, the German Typhoon and Tornado IDS, the Singapore F-15SG and F-16C / D, and the Czech L-159 have been here.


Google Earth satellite image: F-15C fighters from 65th AGRS parked at Nellis airbase


In a number of sources, there is not officially confirmed information that there was at least one Su-27 fighter and several MiG-29s at Nellis airbase. In September 2017, the publication Aviation Week & Space Technology reported that a Su-27 fighter that took off from Nellis airbase crashed in Nevada. An Air Force spokesman declined to comment on which unit the crashed plane and its type were assigned to.

Private aviation companies involved in the process of combat training of fighter pilots of the Air Force, Navy and USMC


Given that several squadrons of “Aggressors” that exist in the air force, naval aviation and marine infantry aviation, are not able to organize the necessary training intensity for pilots of the entire existing fighter fleet, in the last decade in the US military in training private aviation companies are actively involved in the process. This was facilitated by the fact that after the end of the Cold War, a large number of combat aircraft from the Air Force of the countries of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet republics, in addition to the test and training centers of the US Department of Defense, fell into the hands of private owners. US law allows, subject to certain procedures, to register them as civil aircraft. So, in December 2009, the company Pride Aircraft, engaged in the restoration of used aircraft, certified two Su-27 fighter jets at the Federal Aviation Administration of the United States.


Double combat training Su-27UB private airline Pride Aircraft


Also in the park of several private companies there are MiG-29 fighters. Air USA company. Inc is the owner of two thoroughly repaired and demilitarized MiG-29UB parks, exported from Kyrgyzstan. Initially, it was announced that MiGs were acquired for the purpose of performing at air shows and organizing export flights for all comers.



However, the main source of income for Air USA. Inc is by no means an entertainment flight. Air USA is a regular contractor of the US and Canadian defense ministries in the organization of combat training. Currently, about 30 aircraft are assigned to the private Quincy airbase in Illinois: Soviet MiG-21 and MiG-29, Czech L-39 and L-59, Romanian IAR 823, German Alpha Jet and British Hawk.


Google Earth satellite image: Airplanes of the private airline Air USA. Inc at Quincy Airfield


More than 90% of flights the company performs in the interests of the military. Flight tasks may be very different. This is mainly an imitation of enemy aircraft in close combat, training of air defense calculations, radar testing and testing of EW tasks. In the provision of services to the Air USA military department. Inc works closely with companies: Northrop Grumman, Boeing and BAE. Since 2003, more than 6000 flights have been performed in the interests of military customers. According to the information posted on the company's website, the “successful missions” were 98,7%. We must assume that the "successful mission" means the execution of the flight task.

Another major player in the aviation services market for the air force and fleet is Draken International, which has the world's largest commercial fleet of decommissioned combat aircraft — more than 80 demilitarized fighters, light attack aircraft, and combat training aircraft. Draken International surpasses the air forces of many countries in terms of the size and composition of its fleet.


A-4 Skyhawk light attack aircraft from Draken International


Draken International acquired the former Israeli A-4N attack aircraft and the New Zealand A-4K attack aircraft, as well as Czech-made L-159E and L-39ZA. These airplanes are equipped with radar radiation warning receivers, electronic jam suppressors and air-to-air and air-to-earth missile simulators with active homing heads.

The register of aircraft of Draken International also includes: Aermacchi MB-339CB, MiG-21bis, MiG-21MF and MiG-21UM. In the interests of the customer, the company's specialists can use a variety of equipment, including simulators, various simulators, radars and EW equipment. This allows, if necessary, to bring training air battles as close as possible to reality.


Google Earth satellite image: airplanes of the private aviation company Draken International at Lakeland Airfield


All aircraft performing flights under contracts with the military department are in very good technical condition and regularly undergo scheduled and reconditioning repairs at the company's enterprise located at Lakeland, Florida airfield.


Google Earth satellite image: L-159E and A-4N / K aircraft owned by Draken International at Nellis airbase


Since 2014, most of the aircraft fleet of Draken International is permanently located at Nellis airbase. Aircraft L-159E and A-4N / K are opponents in the training of air battles and are used as conditional goals in working out the tasks of long-range interception. Of great value is the ability of these aircraft to fly at extremely low altitude and their high maneuverability. According to the leadership of the US Air Force, these subsonic aircraft adequately reproduce the characteristics of attack aircraft and combat training aircraft, which are in service with the states that received Soviet and Russian aircraft.

The company Draken International mainly provides services for combat training of the Air Force, the fleet chose to conclude a contract with the aviation private company Airborne Tactical Advantage Company (ATAC). The company is headquartered in Newport News, Virginia. In the same place, at the Williamsburg aerodrome, the aircraft engineering is being repaired and serviced. In 2017, ATAC was acquired by Textron Airborne Solutions - a major outsourcing company providing services in the aviation industry.


Google Earth satellite image: Hunter Mk.58, Kfir C.1 and Saab 35 Draken airplanes at Williamsburg airfield


For the past 20 years, the Airborne Tactical Advantage Company has been engaged in the combat training of pilots of the US Navy, Air Force, and ILC in various areas: air combat, striking surface and ground targets. During this time, ATAS aircraft flew more than 42000 hours in the air. ATAS is the only civilian organization allowed to work in the elite center for training fighter pilots of the US Navy (TOPGUN) and for training F-5 Raptor X-generation fighter pilots of the US Air Force.

The company's fleet for the most part includes aircraft manufactured in 1970-1980-s. Planes bought in different countries for a moderate price, despite a decent age, are in good technical condition and, as a rule, have a large residual resource. The current fleet of the company includes more than 20 aircraft: Israeli-made Kfir C.2 fighters, Hunter Mk.58 subsonic multi-purpose aircraft from the presence of the Swiss Air Force, Czech combat training L-39ZA and Saab 35 Draken of Swedish production, acquired in Austria.


Google Earth satellite image: Hunter Mk.58 and Kfir C.1 aircraft owned by ATAC at Point Mugu airbase


Airborne Tactical Advantage Company aircraft perform tasks in various regions where there are US military airfields. Being on some air bases with fighters in service, they work out a variety of training flight tasks. On an ongoing basis, the aircraft belonging to ATAS are located at air bases: Point Mugu (California), Fallon (Nevada), Kaneohe Bay (Hawaii), Zweibrücken (Germany) and Atsugi (Japan).


ATAS Hunter MK.58 Fighter-Bomber


Aircraft of different types are involved in a wide range of tasks. Hunter Mk.58 fighter-bombers usually depict enemy attack planes trying to break through to a protected object at a low altitude or leading to electronic suppression of air defense assets. “Hunters” are also used as aerial targets towers. When interacting with warships of the US Navy, ATAS airplanes imitated attacks using anti-ship missiles. To create a suitable jamming environment, Hunter MK.58 and L-39ZA carried containers with EW equipment and a suspended simulator of the French Exocet AM39 PCR, and the Soviet PCR P-15, which reproduces the work of the radio altimeter and the active radar homing head. The choice of simulators of onboard systems of these anti-ship missiles is related to the fact that they are among the most common in the world, and are in service in countries with which the US fleet may encounter.


Suspension of the PKR simulator on the Hunter MK.58 aircraft


The presence of electronic warfare equipment and simulators of radar homing heads in interchangeable outboard containers allows, during exercises, to bring the disturbance situation as close to real combat as possible. This allows radar operators and air defense systems to gain the necessary experience. Large-scale exercises using aircraft and equipment belonging to this company are regularly held with the ships and aircraft of the US Navy, both on the west and on the east coast.

In the second half of 1990-x, when ATAS company just started cooperation with the Pentagon, there were MiG-17, A-4 Skyhawk and L-39 Albatros in its aircraft fleet. However, these subsonic aircraft with a small thrust-weight ratio could not imitate modern combat aircraft of a potential enemy in training battles. For this reason, ATAS acquired several used Israeli Kfir C.1 fighters.


ATAS F-21 KFIR


In the US, the Kfir C.2 fighters, which are currently piloted by ATAS, are known as the F-21 KFIR. These aircraft, built in 1980-ies, underwent modernization and overhaul, during which weapons were removed from them, airframe elements were strengthened, new navigation and communications equipment and video cameras and removable solid-state drives were installed to record the results of air battles and subsequently carry out detailed debriefing. To fully simulate the combat situation of the company’s aircraft carry EW equipment and suspended simulators of close combat missiles with TGS. This allows for a real seizure of the homing head, which increases the realism and accuracy of the outcome of the fight.

According to American aviation experts, the upgraded Kfirs in their combat capabilities are between the Soviet MiG-21bis and the Chinese J-10. Despite a decent age and a formal technical gap from modern fighters, the F-21 KFIR pilots very often managed to put the American pilots in a difficult position on the F / A-18F and F-15C. Even the superiority of the newest F-22A in the training of air battles was not always unconditional. Some flight regimes of the Kfir fighter jets, built according to the tailless flight scheme with GIP, turned out to be inaccessible to American aircraft. In the 2012 year, according to the results of tests with the F-35В fighter from an experimental batch delivered by the USCM, it was recognized: “a promising fighter built by the Lockheed Martin Corporation needs further improvement and development of air combat techniques”.


ATAS F-21 KFIR and Hunter MK.58 airplanes in the same system as the F-35


To date, pilots flying Kfirs have conducted 2500 hours in the air during training missions, indicating a high intensity of flights and a large number of training battles. Victories in training battles over more modern types of fighters are largely due to the high qualifications and vast experience of ATAS pilots. The main ATAS flight crew is staffed by retired Air Force and Navy pilots who have extensive flight experience and very high qualifications. They used to fly a lot of fighters, who now confront them in training battles. Naturally, the pilots on the Kfir are familiar with the capabilities of most types of fighter planes in service with the United States. At the same time, the main part of the American combatant pilots capabilities and characteristics of the Kfirov are not known. In addition, unlike combatant pilots of the Air Force and Navy, ATAS pilots are not bound by such a number of rules and restrictions.

In addition to playing on the drills for the "bad guys" equipment and ATAS specialists, they also participate in various test and test flights conducted as part of the creation and modernization of missile and aircraft systems and weapons. This approach, which makes it possible to save money on the process of testing new equipment and combat training without losing quality, turned out to be very beneficial for the US Department of Defense. The use of unmanned aircraft in the course of combat training makes it possible to diversify the scenarios of training air battles, save the pilots of combat squadrons from the standard decisions that arise during maneuvering with the same type of aircraft and better prepare them for various situations that may arise in real combat situations. In addition, the cost of the flight time of private companies' airplanes is much cheaper and allows to save the resource of combat fighters. The personnel of private companies working under an agreement with the military department do not have to pay pensions, medical insurance and severance benefits from the state budget. All costs for the maintenance and repair of aircraft participating in training flights are borne by private contractors. A number of experts predict that in the future, private aviation companies working in contact with the military will not only organize training missions, but will also be able to provide aviation support during ground operations by private military companies. They can also be used to control the airspace, in cases where the US government is not interested for one reason or another to use air force or carrier-based aircraft.

Based on open information available regarding the approaches of the Air Force and Naval Aviation Command, it can be concluded that American fighter pilots are taught to resist Soviet, Russian and Chinese combat aircraft. And they are also preparing for a possible collision with the Air Forces of countries equipped with 2-3 generation fighters, which are no longer in service with the United States. At the same time, in addition to the superiority in the flight data of American fighters and the characteristics of aviation weapons of destruction, the emphasis is on tactical training, initiative, and aggressive air combat.
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  1. +9
    19 July 2019 05: 27
    Thank. Very interesting stuff.
    1. +5
      19 July 2019 06: 18
      And very voluminous.)))
  2. -22
    19 July 2019 06: 20
    The stupidity of the striped ones is boundless, well, what a fool would be looking at the stars on an enemy plane during an air battle, especially a modern one, when pilots shoot missiles at each other from a distance of tens, if not hundreds of kilometers. Even during the Second World War there were cases when their own were shot down. How can you not remember M. Zadorny with his "well .... stupid".
    1. +11
      19 July 2019 09: 33
      Well, I disagree with you ... For example, in our KBP there is an exercise "Air combat with a maneuverable target", it is being practiced .. The same is with them, this is one of the many types of combat pilot training. And for a full visualization of the WB, the "color" of the aircraft for the "potential" enemy works fine ...
      Informative article.
      1. -7
        19 July 2019 09: 47
        They practice it, nobody canceled the aerobatics, tell me who and when in the last 10 years shot down an enemy aircraft in a real battle from a cannon.
        1. +8
          19 July 2019 10: 00
          Quote: Ros 56
          They practice it, nobody canceled the aerobatics, tell me who and when in the last 10 years shot down an enemy aircraft in a real battle from a cannon.

          And who in general over the past 10 years was shot down in a dogfight? ... but that doesn’t mean that being able to do it is not worth it ... as with hand-to-hand combat - for this to happen on the battlefield, you need to find a flat surface without sticks or stones, lose everything from the machine to the shoes and wait for the same wise guy from the opposite side, but they’re cooking ....
        2. +3
          19 July 2019 16: 50
          hi, A-10 from a gun dumped Mi-8 in Iraq.
        3. -1
          10 August 2019 20: 29
          Stupid koment.
    2. +6
      19 July 2019 10: 39
      Quote: Ros 56
      The dullness of the striped is unlimited, well, what half-idiots would look at the stars on an enemy plane in the process of air combat, especially the modern one, when pilots fired rockets at each other from dozens, if not hundreds, of kilometers. Even

      The publication says in plain text that these planes are designed for testing passing maneuvering fight
      1. -2
        20 July 2019 06: 04
        Actually, I wrote about looking at identifying marks, and not about the uselessness of pilotage, apparently there was some unreading people who decided to write an answer to my comment. One NN52 looking at the book saw a fig and in response began to tell me what a maneuverable air battle is, I know better than him. The rest in the wings, usually the way trolls work.
        1. +1
          20 July 2019 07: 11
          Quote: Ros 56
          Actually, I wrote about looking at identifying marks, and not about the uselessness of pilotage, apparently there was some unreading people who decided to write an answer to my comment. One NN52 looking at the book saw a fig and in response began to tell me what a maneuverable air battle is, I know better than him. The rest in the wings, usually the way trolls work.

          Yuri, nevertheless, you should not blame others around and set marks. Red stars are part of the visualization process of a conditional enemy in close combat. And your passage:
          pilots shoot rockets at each other from dozens, if not hundreds, of kilometers.
          - in this context it is completely incomprehensible.
          1. -2
            20 July 2019 13: 00
            And what is there incomprehensible, I saw a mark on the locator, does not answer the request "friend or foe" as expected, well, I fired into it, what stars are you talking about? In a fleeting air battle, there is no time to look at the stars, there seconds decide everything.
            1. +4
              20 July 2019 13: 32
              Quote: Ros 56
              And what is there incomprehensible, I saw a mark on the locator, does not answer the request "friend or foe" as expected, well, I fired into it, what stars are you talking about? In a fleeting air battle, there is no time to look at the stars, there seconds decide everything.

              Yuri, I do not know how old you are and whether you served in the armed forces. But one thing I can say for sure - you have a very superficial idea of ​​air combat, the capabilities of avionics and airborne weapons.
              1. -2
                20 July 2019 13: 59
                The old one I’ve been connected with the aviation theme all my life from micro-aviation (modelism) to the big one (friends, students), I only flew while working in an aero club unofficially with friends because of the failure to pass a medical examination (I was so eager to fly that all the literature on aviation I didn’t read it, but swallowed it, and of that). So I saw planes not only in pictures, and I know firsthand what a spar, trimmer and horizon with a variometer are. It’s too late to treat me, I have enough pilots' pupils to know some information and a classmate’s best friend just recently retired, spent his whole life in the sky from Yak-12 to Airbus. practically mastered our technology, even test pilots tried to get into pilots BUT ....
                1. +2
                  29 July 2019 01: 24
                  Bongo is right. Representation 0 of WB. At least a small one - crab, lasso, corner, hook, roof, shell ...? BVB - offensive, defensive. Books should be read with the SS stamp, and not about spars ...... This is not https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0+% D1% 81 +% D0% BF% D0% BE% D0% BF% D1% 83% D0% B3% D0% B0% D0% B5% D0% BC ++% D0% BE% D1% 82% D1% 80% D1 % 8B% D0% B2% D0% BA% D0% B8 about you
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    3. +3
      19 July 2019 19: 19
      I want to remind you that this is precisely why Americans have been making stealth airplanes since the 80s, and in Russia the opinion is circulating that the Su-35 supposedly will tear the F-35 in close combat without stealth. Who is still infinitely dumb, let's figure it out. And as for practicing close combat - well, this is a classic training program, like hand-to-hand combat in the army.
      1. 0
        19 July 2019 22: 14
        Quote: Karaul14
        in Russia the opinion is replicated that they say Su-35 and without invisibility will tear F-35 in melee.

        1. Who told you that the Su-35S will not have the equipment that makes it "invisible" for the Penguin's avionics. And our S-400/500 will take care of the sharp eye on Avax. Well, as a last resort, R-37 or "product-180". Why do you exclude this option?
        2. The article is interesting, indisputable. But, in my opinion, the cherry on the cake would be a story about how the Yankees competed with the Hindu Su-30 MKI in actual training battles. ... Is this about no material?
        So it would be roughly clear what awaits the Yankees in the sky over the "aggressor country".
        Somehow, however.
        1. +5
          20 July 2019 04: 10
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Who told you that the Su-35S will not have the equipment that makes it "invisible" to the Penguin's avionics. And our S-400/500 will take care of the sharp eye on Avax. Well, as a last resort, R-37 or "product-180". Why do you exclude this option?

          Alexander, of course, I am in many ways an amateur, and in a number of issues I have lagged behind life for certain reasons, but it seems to me that you are too optimistic. No.
          Is it possible in more detail about the equipment that makes Su-35С (which I saw on Dzemgah often enough) in more detail?
          As for the C-400 / 500, you know that we still have many strategic objects that are not covered by anything, but for C-400, the delivery of long-range missiles has just begun. I do not comment on the presence of P-37 in the front-line shelves, but I urge you to talk about what you are really sure of.
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          But, in my opinion, the cherry on the cake would be a story about how the Yankees competed with the Hindu Su-30 MKI in actual training battles. ... Is this about no material?

          You can not embrace is not complete. You may have noticed that the article is devoted not to one-time exercises, I am regular combat training for pilots of the Air Force and Navy in the United States.
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          So it would be roughly clear what awaits the Yankees in the sky over the "aggressor country".

          Countries are different, with different capabilities. Yes, and not everything is so "curly" here. In the Far East, American military aircraft outnumber us by several times, and this even without taking into account the air forces of Japan and South Korea.
          1. +3
            20 July 2019 09: 34
            Quote: Bongo
            about equipment making Su-35С

            Sergey, hi
            1. The article is good, and my wishes are only for improving the "product". But, as always, the best enemy of the good.
            2. About the equipment. Infa was "from above" when the KLA leadership responded to criticism of the Indians about the Su-57 and its "insufficient" stealth. Then it was said that ours were not going to apply a protective coating (terribly expensive and laborious - the Yankees put it on the F-35 in 6 layers with a microclimate in the hangar), which, moreover, also flies off during the operation of the aircraft. We have equipment, the installation of which on the Su-57 makes it generally "invisible" to the Penguin's avionics. Similar equipment will be installed on the Su-35S. This was mentioned only once and, in my opinion, by Deputy Prime Minister Borisov. He is actually a so-called doctor. and I suppose he knew what he was talking about.
            3. It is difficult for me to objectively evaluate the current state of our aviation, since lost contact (source of information). Therefore, you are right, you know better on places.
            4. About DV - a special article. Though from there the dawn comes to us to the West, the impression is that THERE WERE NOT BREAKING OUT AT ALL !!!
            Therefore, I accept criticism, thank you for your attention to my humble person. drinks
            1. +2
              20 July 2019 10: 15
              Thanks for the answer! Alexander, it so happened that I regularly communicate with those who serve in the 23rd IAP (head of the Su-35S) and KnAAZ specialists. While there is no such equipment on our combat fighters. I have a fair amount of mistrust in what Borisov says, because in the past he has repeatedly "driven a blizzard."
              Always glad to talk! drinks
              1. +2
                20 July 2019 12: 46
                Quote: Bongo
                Always glad to talk!

                Similarly! drinks
            2. 0
              21 July 2019 10: 08
              "ours are not going to apply a protective coating, (terribly expensive and laborious - the Yankees apply it to the F-35 in 6 layers" ////
              -----
              And in vain. Because, you still have to. The Chinese, for example, apply. And in general they are engaged in stealth technology very closely. They seem to be coming to the next generation of stealth coatings - with "built-in" microcircuits that adapt the coating to the length of the radar waves irradiated by the aircraft.
        2. +1
          20 July 2019 18: 37
          This is already a dense forest, the Americans also have all kinds of unpleasant things, but you said that the Americans are stupid because they rely on melee combat, but this is absolutely not the case, given that they sacrifice many characteristics for the sake of stealth technologies and are among the first to make a big bet precisely on ranged combat.
    4. +2
      20 July 2019 15: 09
      The biggest mistake may be the assessment of the likely enemy based on the speeches of the famous military expert M. Zadornov.
  3. Quote: Ros 56
    Unread

    ***
    As soon as I started reading you, I thought about Zadornov ... and, oh, miracle, in the end you mentioned him
    Your concept of the United States corresponds to the concept of some Americans about Russians sitting in taverns with bears and drinking vodka with them.
    When I told the Americans that in Russia drunk bears walk the streets and play balalaikas, some believed.
    Are these not your American relatives watching American Zadornovs?
    Well, and how does this country of American fools have such a strong influence in the world of about 100 years?
    Really, fools influence more intelligent?
    1. +1
      19 July 2019 09: 53
      Therefore, they did not give the colonel that you do not understand the common truths, that fools often command smart people, and especially in the army. And I have no relatives in the states and I have no regrets about it. And I don’t know a country like the USSRF, only a troll could write it. fool
  4. -1
    19 July 2019 07: 09
    The question is in another - WHERE prepare the Provocation (s).
  5. +3
    19 July 2019 08: 36
    Thank! A lot of new and interesting!
  6. +1
    19 July 2019 08: 50
    great stuff! Thank. The emergence of PMCs in various industries is booming.
    Private traders can soon provide not only airplanes and ships for military purposes, but also influence global events themselves. But there is still private air defense / artillery / missile defense, etc.
    1. +2
      19 July 2019 12: 11
      For millennia, mercenary craft flourished, in many empires they generally constituted the main military force, and there are no prerequisites for what will happen differently in the future.
  7. 0
    19 July 2019 11: 48
    The most interesting thing is that Russia does not react in any way to the fact that they are seen only in the form of targets. After all, not only aviation striped penguins make such things. Purchased tanks, bmp and other. Targets in the form of soldiers of the Russian army. Not so long ago, the Bulgarians refused to shoot at such exercises. Where is the reaction? Where are the notes, protests, sanctions?
    1. +5
      19 July 2019 13: 38
      Quote: akims
      The most interesting thing is that Russia does not react in any way to the fact that they are seen only in the form of targets. After all, not only aviation striped penguins make such things. Purchased tanks, bmp and other. Targets in the form of soldiers of the Russian army. Not so long ago, the Bulgarians refused to shoot at such exercises. Where is the reaction? Where are the notes, protests, sanctions?

      And what, apart from unwillingness to quarrel with "partners", prevents our leadership from purchasing American-made equipment and using it in exercises? For example, in the same Venezuela?
      1. +4
        19 July 2019 14: 29
        Sergey, a small amendment to your article ...
        The 5 Central Committee of the PUAK (Frunze headquarters) did have the 29 MiGs, but they were part of the 715-th military unit of the 64207 Lugovoy station in the Jambyl region of the Kazakh SSR, and after the collapse of the USSR, they respectively went to Kazakhstan. Therefore your statement
        owns two completely repaired and demilitarized MiG-29UB tanks, exported from Kyrgyzstan

        is mildly wrong!
        hi
        1. +7
          19 July 2019 14: 35
          Quote: Serg65
          Therefore your statement
          He is the owner of two thorough repaired and demilitarized MiG-29UB parks removed from Kyrgyzstan

          is mildly wrong!

          Thanks for the amendment, but I took the information from the official website of Air USA. Inc. Otherwise, the Americans certainly do not distinguish the Kazakhs from the Kirghiz. hi
          1. +9
            19 July 2019 16: 35
            Quote: Bongo
            Moreover, the Americans of the Kazakhs certainly do not distinguish the Kazakhs.

            The only Kazakh they know for sure: smile
      2. +2
        19 July 2019 22: 36
        Quote: Bongo
        And what, apart from unwillingness to quarrel with "partners", prevents our leadership from purchasing American-made equipment and using it in exercises?

        1. We use American equipment at test ranges, when testing new samples of BOPS ... And in oncoming battles, our tankers ride our tanks, each fulfilling his task. Similarly with the aircraft. Although, for the sake of truth, it is worth noting that we determine the EPR of the Amsk "letaki" by their full-scale models in anechoic chambers.
        2. It would be politically suicidal to train on "American" models of technology. Then, no one in the West would have doubted for an hour that the Russian bear was an aggressor, preparing to attack old Europe. And who would be better off?
        1. +4
          20 July 2019 04: 28
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          We use American equipment at test sites when testing new types of BOPS ...

          Alexander, you intrigued me what Is it possible to test the American technology in our landfills in more detail?
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          It would be politically suicidal to train on "American" models of technology. Then, no one in the West would have doubted for an hour that the Russian bear was an aggressor, preparing to attack old Europe. And who would be better off?

          We are demonized in the West anyway, maybe it’s time to stop looking back at the opinions of those who are building us as intrigues and consider us an enemy?
          1. 0
            20 July 2019 09: 53
            Quote: Bongo
            Is it possible to test the American technology in our landfills in more detail?

            Unfortunately I can not. But I cannot not trust the confidential information of my fellow classmates in the SVU CL. Some people now hold very serious positions. There is even such a doctor of sciences, whose photo "men in black" was removed from all photo albums ... What Seryoga does - we can only guess. But the table in the restaurant (at a meeting of the class on the occasion of the 40th anniversary of graduation), he paid "lightly". Left printed a note: he remembers everyone, loves, appreciates, hugs, but cannot be present, because "business" ...
            But you're right: you need to chat less. From now on I will be more careful.
            Sincerely, KAA.
        2. +1
          20 July 2019 21: 29
          "Politically it would be suicide to train on" American "models of technology ///
          ----
          Why so? Technique is technique. You can draw red stars on Abrams
          and say that this is a Soviet tank, but you can draw American symbols on the T-72,
          and say - an American tank. The main thing is practice, performance characteristics.
          I think Russia simply does not have modern American aircraft at the training grounds.
          There is no one to train on. Here are the tales about "political suicide".
          1. 0
            20 July 2019 21: 37
            Quote: voyaka uh
            I think Russia simply does not have modern American aircraft at the training grounds. No one to train on

            Not that one. But the Americans also do not have them, the maximum that is the last Soviet issues, and time has already passed enough ...
      3. +2
        21 July 2019 14: 13
        Vladimirovich. greetings from the other side of the balloon. the article is sensible. By the way, by hook or by crook, he burst into the VO. I saw your repost by someone on "All About Weapons" and immediately realized that it was you, at the expense of the "Aggressors" an interesting topic, in the 90s like that in the jury of "Foreign Military Review" there was a topic about "Aggressors" according to the materials of this publication they flew they are on the F-5, which seems to be an analogue of the MiG-21, but the F-5 is just exactly half of the 21 in thrust-to-weight ratio and wing loading. because the publication in the Aggressor printed the number of incidents was prohibitively large. wasn’t it just that about the disbandment of this unit in the 90s?
        hello to Olga Sergeyevna separately, I was again blown away from the soap again.
    2. +6
      19 July 2019 13: 59
      For every one you don’t get overboard. ©

      The USSR also did not particularly react to the Aggressor and 32nd Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment (Fort Irwin base) squadrons. Unless he regularly published articles about the next provocations of the American military, exposing the peaceful Soviet army as an aggressor.
  8. 0
    19 July 2019 12: 17
    And yet, the effectiveness of such training is interesting, is it worth keeping a huge park of training machines?
    How do all other countries of the world do without such “aggressors”?
    1. +8
      19 July 2019 13: 50
      Quote: Corn
      And yet, the effectiveness of such training is interesting, is it worth keeping a huge park of training machines?
      How do all other countries of the world do without such “aggressors”?

      In the People's Republic of China at the Dingxin airbase in Gansu province, the Inner Mongolia region, the PLA Air Force Combat Operations Center is located. Here an squadron is based on a constant basis, playing on exercises for the enemy. Until recently, Russian-made Su-27SK / UBC fighters were selected to this squadron, highly qualified pilots were selected. At the moment, all Su-27SK / UBK due to the development of the resource written off, and the pilots of the Chinese unit "Aggressor" moved to the Su-30MKK and J-11В. There is every reason to believe that the Su-35SK fighters will soon be used in the Chinese division of the Aggressors.
      1. 0
        19 July 2019 15: 54
        and not easier, just "play off" different air regiments and squadrons from different regions and that's it ?? it will hardly be more expensive.
        1. +4
          19 July 2019 17: 54
          Quote: ruslan
          and not easier, just "play off" different air regiments and squadrons from different regions and that's it ?? it will hardly be more expensive.

          Not easier - such a preparation would be akin to playing chess with yourself. smile
          Squadrons "Aggressor", firstly, use the tactics of a potential enemy, and, secondly, they are staffed with pilots and aircraft superior to combat units in training and performance characteristics. In the USSR in squadrons Air Force bases for verification of combat training of combat units of fighter aircraft served as pilots with real combat experience or pilots trained by such pilots. This is not to be found in the usual combat unit.
          So, in the case of "Aggressors", combat pilots meet with an enemy superior to them in advance and are forced to go out of their way to match the level.
          1. 0
            22 July 2019 07: 27
            wait. in the United States, the technique of the "aggressors" is not strong and surpasses in performance characteristics. either the same level, f-18,15, or older. Is the F-5 better than the F-22? this time.
            Secondly. combat pilots will be opposed by enemy combat pilots, and only sometimes they will run up against the aces. I think a pair of "aggressor" squadrons is not enough and not enough to train a full-fledged air force. it will take too long for someone to turn, no?
            Well, another moment. if a well-trained combat pilot from seaside (owning refueling, flying in simple and difficult weather conditions, flying more than once under the control of a drone in a group, using almost the entire arsenal in practice firing, against various ground and air targets and plus constantly trains skills on simulators) will fly to "visit" the same pilot in Karelia every six months, according to a certain scenario (they conditionally attack 10 targets at the range, and the Karelians have to protect them), what about a squadron of "aggressor"? Can't they learn anything with this option? and then they will practice "dogfight" for a week. what if there are pilots with combat experience among the Karelians and Primorye?
            It just seems to me too far-fetched the idea that a bunch of aces "raped" combat pilots in close air combat will teach them something. if the combatants, there will be no opportunity to gain the same experience and skills as the aces.
  9. +5
    19 July 2019 12: 22
    Great article, thanks! As always, great work with maps and photos!
    hi
    Somehow I came across material describing group training battles of fighters in the late USSR, “regiment to regiment,” “interception of a reconnaissance officer,” repelling an air strike. "How are we with the IA BP now? In addition to fascinating bomb shooting?
    1. +7
      19 July 2019 13: 40
      Quote: Wildcat
      Great article, thanks! As always, great work with maps and photos!

      Thanks for the kind words! drinks
      Best of all, it turns out that the most interesting, well, and what skills obtained once used to apply is also not a sin. wink
  10. +4
    19 July 2019 12: 58
    Great! thank
  11. +6
    19 July 2019 14: 26
    Interesting article, thanks!

    In addition to these training aids, Americans fly and train enough with the real MiG 29 combatant pilots. At least with our Air Force they fly often in exercises. It is interesting that until 10-15 years ago, our MIG 29 pilots were not allowed to fly at the boundary modes, but now the concept has changed and they are driving fighters and are training at the full capabilities of the machines.
  12. +5
    19 July 2019 14: 46
    To be honest, our "partners" are serious about training. I do not want to copy-paste, but I think you can find a report by two of our specialists (A. Drozhzhin, A. Kokorev) entitled "Flight Crew Training in the US Air Force"
  13. +1
    19 July 2019 18: 34
    So after all, the Americans claim that close air combat is a relic of the past and it will not come to a "dog fight" - the enemy will be destroyed at least at a medium distance. But then they practice close combat ... Does all their talk about the end of the last lie come out?
    1. +2
      19 July 2019 22: 54
      Quote: bars1
      But right there they are working out their close combat ... Does all their talk about the decline of the last come out?

      There are many factors that speak for this. If the cannons had not been placed, then one could have looked at short-range missiles. Then, all the time, on-board electronic warfare equipment is being improved, which can disrupt the detection, capture, tracking of the computer center. Therefore, on a collision course - "time flies unnoticed."
  14. Quote: Ros 56
    Therefore, they did not give the colonel that you do not understand the common truths, that fools often command smart people, and especially in the army. And I have no relatives in the states and I have no regrets about it. And I don’t know a country like the USSRF, only a troll could write it. fool

    ***
    You can’t expect anything else from a fan of ZADornov. Also remember his opuses about the Egyptian-Russian god of RA and the root of RA: Joy, Rainbow ... which I will add with the words Slave, Baran, and a bunch of not very decent words with this root ....
    Commenting:
    1.Your "That's why they didn't give the colonel ...":
    - titles are not "given", but awarded. "Give" is Zadornov's lovers "give" to someone and somewhere ... perhaps at the beginning of his surname;
    - I did not serve only to be awarded the rank of colonel for several more years on the ruins of a great state and a great army in the Yeltsin era, because his views, domestic and foreign policies, his attitude to the people, to the army, who trusted him did not correspond to mine beliefs ;;
    - I resigned of my own free will, and did not hatch extra length of service, illness and benefits for them;
    - I quit of my own free will.
    2. Your "often fools command the smart, and especially in the army.":
    - and often smart ones command fools, who are no less among subordinates than among bosses, if not more.
    3. If you do not understand what I said by word formation "USSRF", then contact those who are smarter.
    4. As for relatives in the United States ... "well, stupid American drunk grizzlies playing the banjo" certainly have in Russia "well, stupid Russian drunk bears. Playing balalaikas" ...
    5. Study, at least, the state and level of science, education, technology, production in countries that you frankly call countries of fools ...
    PS Yes, to the troll of fools, flat-earths, theoreticians, hat-takers, leavened false patriots. victims of the Ministry of Education, state channels and hREN.Tvru ... alas, here you are right ...
    1. 0
      19 July 2019 21: 35
      When did you graduate and when did you "leave of your own accord"?
    2. -2
      20 July 2019 17: 38
      Of course, it's about people like you who say "The more oak trees in the army, the stronger our defense." Don't call me, don't call. You can even kiss passionately with your striped ones, it's not interesting to me.
  15. Quote: NN52
    When did you graduate and when did you "leave of your own accord"?

    1977- issue, 1994 - dismissal, Art. 57 part 3 paragraph 2. (at will)
  16. Quote: NN52
    When did you graduate and when did you "leave of your own accord"?

    graduation 1977, 1994 dismissed, age was 39 years. What other questions?
    1. 0
      20 July 2019 11: 17
      17 calendars? excluding school year after year? and on "own"?
      In those years, the guys could leave the army only because of "discrepancy" (I'm not talking about the flight crew, it's easier to write off for medicine there) ..
      And I have never heard of "own", to be honest ..
      So .... I don’t even know what other questions to ask ...
      I am 1993 years old.
      1. +4
        20 July 2019 13: 34
        Quote: NN52
        In those years, the guys could leave the army only because of the "inconsistency" (I'm not talking about the flight crew, it's easier to write off for medicine there)

        I do not know about aviation, but with the reduction of the country's air defense forces, it was easy to quit from the middle of the 1990's.
        1. 0
          21 July 2019 13: 28
          This is not so ... We have a technician, he could only quit after "mismatch" several times)))
          And in 1995, from Sakhalin (Smirnykh and Sokol), in addition to the staff members, it was generally unrealistic to quit ...
          1. 0
            21 July 2019 13: 31
            And from Uglovka, a classmate, in 93 ... a pilot, a lieutenant, "was tortured to drink" so that he was fired due to discreditation))
  17. +4
    20 July 2019 15: 43
    As a person engaged in stand modeling, one of the F / A-18 "Hornet" (good for 3 unassembled ones) I will assemble and paint as in the picture, damn it, what a beautiful camouflage and red stars somehow to the place
    1. +3
      21 July 2019 02: 54
      Quote: Popov Konstantin Ivanovich
      As a person engaged in stand modeling, one of the F / A-18 "Hornet" (good for 3 unassembled ones) I will assemble and paint as in the picture, damn it, what a beautiful camouflage and red stars somehow to the place


      Another perspective. hi
      1. +2
        21 July 2019 07: 16
        Thank you very much. Dear Comrade! fellow hi
        1. +4
          21 July 2019 07: 19
          Quote: Popov Konstantin Ivanovich
          Thank you very much. Dear Comrade!

          You are welcome! I respect people capable of doing something with their own hands.
          It seems to me that the "Tiger-2" in non-standard camouflage and with red stars would also look good. I would be very grateful if you found it possible to later throw off a photo of what you get.
  18. +2
    20 July 2019 20: 19
    Good evening, venerable Sergey, I was very happy with your article, you are always at your best, besides there are very rare topics and as it does not even touch many, they do not know how to appreciate the depths of thought and desire for excellent work. Thank you.
    1. +3
      21 July 2019 01: 40
      Quote: merkava-2bet
      Good evening, venerable Sergey, I was very happy with your article, you are always at your best, besides there are very rare topics and as it does not even touch many, they do not know how to appreciate the depths of thought and desire for excellent work. Thank you.

      Andrei, hello! Long time no intersection! I am writing about what is most interesting. The next publication will be about how Americans learn to deal with Soviet and Russian-made air defense systems.
      1. +2
        21 July 2019 11: 50
        Fine, I will wait.
  19. Quote: Ros 56
    Of course, it's about people like you who say "The more oak trees in the army, the stronger our defense." Don't call me, don't call. You can even kiss passionately with your striped ones, it's not interesting to me.

    ***
    1. I have a higher military special education and a higher civil engineering, both with honors.
    2. The subdivisions which I commanded were always deduced by me to "excellent".
    3. I have made a successful military civil engineering and entrepreneurial career.
    I wish a baobab like you, to become such an "oak" like me. I am still a successful person.
    4.It is clear that you are a loser.
    5. I do not call. If you hear ringing in your head, this is for you to the psychiatrist. They treat such bells.
    5. Kissing in a hickey with fools is your path. I do not need to kiss with anyone: I just sensibly assess the situation, and not according to Zadornov.
  20. +4
    20 July 2019 21: 14
    There was a recent interview with the owner of the Airborne Tactical Advantage Company.
    He said that after the creation of the F-35 squadrons in the Air Force, their company has to look for
    other aircraft as "aggressor". With those that are, the F-35 cope with such
    the ease that training makes no sense.
    1. +1
      20 July 2019 21: 19
      By the way. .. Recent attack in Iraq of an Iranian base .. Familiar handwriting Yes
    2. +2
      21 July 2019 13: 39
      With those that are, F-35 cope with such
      ease, ..... it's bullshit. look at the flight technical data of the F-35 and you won’t need seven spans in your forehead to understand that the lightning bolt is just a banal ersatz
  21. Quote: NN52
    17 calendars? excluding school year after year? and on "own"?
    In those years, the guys could leave the army only because of "discrepancy" (I'm not talking about the flight crew, it's easier to write off for medicine there) ..
    And I have never heard of "own", to be honest ..
    So .... I don’t even know what other questions to ask ...
    I am 1993 years old.

    ***
    The military school is also counted in the length of service.
    That is the basis.
    The law of the Russian Federation of 11.02.1993 N 4455-1. LAW ON MILITARY DUTIES AND MILITARY SERVICE
    (as amended by the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 24.12.93 N 2288, Federal Laws of 03.12.94 N 55-ФЗ, dated 29.04.95 N 69-ФЗ, dated 09.05.96 N 42-ФЗ)
    http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_3139/ebaf40b6028101e40854b279a612cc66fbb56454/
    Article 57. Validity of previously adopted normative acts.
    3. The Law of the Russian Federation "On Dismissal from Active Military Service of Officers of Their Own Will" shall be terminated from the moment this Law enters into force.
    A soldier who has an officer's military rank, who has not concluded a contract on military service, has the right to resign from military service at his own request, if the total duration of his military service in a military position (positions) for which (which) the state provides for an officer's military rank is not less than 5 years after graduation from a vocational education institution. "
    And before that there was the Law of the Russian Federation of July 17, 1992 N 3324-1 ON Dismissal from the Valid Military Service of the officers of the staff of their own will
    http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_751/
    Here is the whole text:
    In addition to the grounds provided for in Article 63 of the USSR Law "On General Military Duty," dismissal from active military service of officers who have not reached the age limit for active military service, that is, ahead of schedule, is also allowed at their own request, provided that the general the duration of military service of such persons in the Armed Forces in officer positions is at least 5 years after graduation from a military educational institution.
    President of the Russian Federation B. YELTSIN
    Moscow, House of Soviets of Russia
    July 17 1992 year.
    Thu 3324-1
    Both laws were in effect for a short time. In 1998, the next Federal Law "On Military Duty and Military Service" dated March 28.03.1998, 53 N XNUMX-FZ was adopted.
    In the period 1992-1994, it was enough not to sign the contract, because before that there were no contracts, and to write a report on the dismissal I have on my military ID of the reserve officer Art. 57, part 3, paragraph 2 of the Law of the Russian Federation of 11.02.1993 N 4455-1, which I quoted above.
    As was the case in practice, I don’t know, but this law ceased to exist with the introduction of the Law of the Russian Federation of March 28.03.1998, 53, No. XNUMX-FZ.
    1. -1
      21 July 2019 13: 54
      So ... I know that. in 93, we (cadets) signed a contract in Maykop (and they gave out a lot of money ...), why didn’t you sign a contract ??
      And you are without a pension? Military?
  22. Quote: NN52
    So ... I know that. in 93, we (cadets) signed a contract in Maykop (and they gave out a lot of money ...), why didn’t you sign a contract ??
    And you are without a pension? Military?


    Why without a pension? I am with a military pension. Since 39 years I receive it. I have more than 20 years on calendars, it used to be like this: 15 years-30%, 20 years-50%, and 3% for each year served, but not more than 75%.
    And then, they somehow managed to cheat: as soon as they raised well-functioning officers, they managed to rob pensions of military pensioners ... with a lot of promises then to compensate ... even in the laws enshrined ..... The whole Internet is littered with information how they robbed and fooling military pensioners ...
    I didn’t sign a contract because I didn’t want to serve in the ruins of the army on the ruins of the state ... I wrote, "of my own free will."
    1. -1
      21 July 2019 18: 36
      And what kind of pension?
  23. Quote: NN52
    And what kind of pension?

    Military pension 20214 rubles. Plus a tiny civilian. Plus, all sorts of compensation as a veteran, something in the end about 25 thousand comes out.
    You have to move: IP is involved, and there is not only income, but also contributions to the PFR, FFOMS, FSS, taxes.
    In general, the Soviet dreams of a good pension and work as the head of the GO plant did not materialize.
    “You need to run as fast just to stay in place, but to get somewhere, you need to run at least twice as fast!” L. Carroll