Rule Japan seas! The boat of the future in the representation of "Mitsubishi"

50

Revival of past greatness


The Japanese fleet does not have nuclear submarines, but it has at its disposal twenty multi-purpose submarines (non-nuclear submarine), which are fully consistent with the requirements of their time. These are submarines of the Oyashio and Soryu type. The oldest of them all, the Oyashio lead ship with tail number SS-590, was commissioned fleet March 16, 1998. Against the background of some Russian and American submarines - relatively recently. The nuclear "strategist" USS Ohio (SSGN-726), recall, was put into operation in 1981, and he currently has active service.





There is another important aspect that characterizes the Japanese submarine fleet. This is a technical level. The litter submarine, in addition, has an air-independent Stirling engine. The most notorious anaerobic installation, which does won't get to Russian non-nuclear submarines. And which gives a very high (by the standards of diesel-electric boats) freedom of action.

In general, according to experts, Japanese submarines are among the most technologically advanced and dangerous for the enemy. Yes, and the Japanese fleet, in general, as shown by the chart of the organization Naval Analyzes, looks very impressive. However, this is far from the end. And it's not just the intentions of the Japanese to arm aircraft-carrying ships with fifth-generation fighters F-35B.

His Majesty's submarine


Recently, the publication Popular Mechanics drew attention to the emerging images of a promising submarine from the company Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, a member of the Mitsubishi Group. The non-nuclear submarine was named 29SS, where "29" comes from the year of Emperor Akihito's reign (namely, 2017), and SS is an international abbreviation for non-nuclear multi-purpose submarines. According to experts, purely conceptual 29SS in many ways repeats "litter", but even a quick visual inspection also shows significant differences.

The hull design was made more “futuristic”, which can be aimed at achieving the wow effect (we are talking only about images, so far), however, it is more likely intended to reduce hydrodynamic resistance. Roughly speaking, to make the submarine faster, more maneuverable and to improve autonomy in comparison with the Soryu-type submarine. And, of course, it serves to increase the key indicator for each submarine, namely, to reduce the noise level and, as a result, to increase its survivability. The chosen jet instead of the propeller serves the same purpose.



Well-known expert of the Navy H. Sutton (HI Sutton) believes that the new development should be taken as seriously as possible. However, one should not expect any revolution from 29SS. “The design of the new ship,” says the expert, “focuses on improving the concept of the submarine (apparently the Soryu type boats are meant, - Military Review) and shows that the Japanese navy will continue to move forward by building highly efficient submarines which may be the best non-nuclear submarines in the world. ”

According to experts, continuity with a boat like "Soryu" will be visible in the case of armament. The 29SS is likely to get six 533 mm torpedo tubes that can be located in the bow of the ship. Note that all the "litter" can carry up to 30 torpedoes, and instead of some of them can use anti-ship missiles UGM-84. It is also worth saying that modern German submarines of the 212A project, as well as Russian diesel-electric submarines of the 677 project, have a similar set of weapons.

Even less definitely we can talk about timing. It is known that research and development work is extended from 2025 to 2028 years, and the submarines of the “Soryu” type will replace the new boat in Japan’s Japanese Self-Defense Forces in about 2030’s. However, this is on condition that there will be no “force majeure”.



Who will we fight against?


Hardly new weapon Japanese can be directed against Russia, despite the long-standing territorial dispute. To put it mildly, he pales against the background of the old, but no less relevant, Japanese-Chinese contradictions: it suffices to recall the attitude to World War II and the actual support by the People’s Republic of China of the odious leaders of the DPRK. However, perhaps, the Japanese, with all their desire, will not be able to find an effective answer to the Chinese navy, which, we recall, quite recently surpassed the number of warships in the US Navy (it’s still too early to talk about qualitative superiority).

The Australian edition of Defense Connect has already responded to the development of 29SS, recalling the planned commissioning of twelve new multi-purpose non-nuclear submarines by the Australian fleet to ensure the safety of a distant continent.

Submarines, the type of which is named by the simple name “Attack”, will be built on the basis of the project of the French shipbuilding company Naval Group under the name of Shortfin Barracuda. New boats will replace the ships of the class Collins, which are now in operation. It is noteworthy that this program has already cost the Australian taxpayers a fantastic amount - 50 billion dollars. Approximately as much the United States of America spent on the development of F-35, so the successes of Japan in the same direction may turn for the Australian authorities, among other things, also a big scandal.
50 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. +8
    2 July 2019 18: 10
    The Japanese, Germans, French and other Chinese .... possess the technology of building Anaerobic plants. Maybe it already makes sense to buy through third countries? How long to wait until Our build?
    1. Maz
      -20
      2 July 2019 18: 44
      If this is not written in the press, this does not mean that we do not have boats with anaerobic plants. So gentlemen, the Japanese should swim more carefully in the coastal seas.
      1. +23
        2 July 2019 18: 48
        Your untruth - if there were .... this news would pour from every iron! The presence of such a facility would greatly increase the combat potential of the DPL! Well, for our managers - Export opportunities DPL!
      2. +15
        2 July 2019 18: 59
        Quote: Maz
        If this is not written in the press, this does not mean that we do not have boats with anaerobic installations.

        Nope That's for sure. True, the Japanese in their boats also refuse them ....
        1. -1
          2 July 2019 23: 42
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          No.

          What about batteries? It’s quite an anaerobic thing.
        2. +4
          2 July 2019 23: 55
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          True, the Japanese in their boats also refuse them ....

          And they are doing the right thing, which is what we want.
          It's time to rely on high-capacity LIAB (and there are AB experiments not only on lithium, but also on ... other minerals), while the diesel can be left for recharging outside the patrol zone, or ... use, for example, a gas turbine (from that helicopter) for fast and not very noisy battery recharging ... This is a conceptual opinion, but it can help to get out of the "anaerobic impasse".
          The Japanese achieved autonomy of up to three weeks on a single charge of LIAB ... Russia has the most modern competencies for the production of industrial LIAB (bought out and exported from the United States at one time with all patents), so why hasn't this been for the benefit of the submarine fleet? I have been waiting for messages about "Varshavyanka" with LIAB for the third year ... I will probably wait a little longer.
          1. +5
            3 July 2019 07: 38
            Quote: bayard
            And they are doing the right thing, which is what we want.

            As for me, everything depends on the capabilities of these very batteries. Of course, if you can walk on them for 3 weeks, then the anaerobic installation did not fall sideways - why? Moreover, it is difficult to believe that when the engine of the same Stirling is operating, the noise level will be the same as with the "battery" movement hi
            1. 0
              3 July 2019 12: 20
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Of course, if you can walk on them for 3 weeks, then the anaerobic plant did not fall sideways - why?

              So the Japanese thought so, and now they are betting on submarines like "Soryu". Which is what I sincerely wish. Yes, it looks like our Defense Ministry has already made such conclusions - in relation to "Lad". I really hope for it .
            2. +1
              3 July 2019 13: 33
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              As for me - everything depends on the capabilities of these same batteries.

              and most importantly in their cost and service life ... request
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              low noise will be as with "battery" movement

              exactly! In addition, a special infrastructure is needed for this engine ... so there are thermal element reactors ... bully
          2. +5
            3 July 2019 08: 30
            Quote: bayard
            Russia has the most modern competencies for the production of industrial LIAB (purchased and exported at one time from the United States with all patents), so why has it not yet benefited the submarine fleet? I have been waiting for messages about "Varshavyanka" with LIAB for the third year already ... I will probably wait a little longer.

            If you don't know, don't tell. The USA is far from being the leader in the production of lithium-ion batteries, the same Musk imports them. The leaders are Koreans, Japanese, Chinese. The only large enterprise in Russia dedicated to the production of lithium-ion batteries is Liotech Chubais, which operates on Chinese equipment, active materials and technologies, and is interrupted from bread to kvass due to the low quality and the related lack of demand for products. There are also domestic developments going into small series for the military. But we must remember that a lithium battery is a dangerous thing. You will not be allowed on a plane with a small electric scooter battery - and the probability of a submarine battery catching fire is hundreds of times higher. It is not difficult to improve battery reliability, but at the cost of deteriorating performance. Finally, the lithium-ion battery has good specific gravity characteristics, but for a submarine, voluminous ones are more important, and with this, lithium is not very good.
            Quote: bayard
            there are AB experiments not only on lithium, but also on ... other minerals

            such a mineral - lithium - does not exist in nature and cannot exist. This phrase of yours speaks of your incompetence.
            1. 0
              3 July 2019 12: 16
              Quote: astepanov
              Do not know - do not speak. The USA is far from a leader in the production of lithium-ion batteries, the same Musk imports them

              I know that the USA is not a leader. I meant an American company (I don’t remember the name at the moment), which received a grant from the US government for the creation of large-capacity industrial LIAB for the needs of transport, energy and, if luck befalls, for military needs. Technologies were created, but due to high competition with the same Koreans, Japanese and Chinese, the sale of finished products did not work out ... the company went bankrupt and was put up for auction. As a result, it was bought out by an American company, the founder of which was a Russian citizen, and as American sources say, "a person from Putin's entourage" (again, I don’t remember the last name at all). As a result of this act, all technical documentation, patents and equipment were exported to Russia (this has happened more than once with repurchased factories, for example, with factories for other agricultural machinery and tractors) ... And then panicky articles and screams appeared in the USA "they sold them to the enemy" ... There was a detailed article on this topic in our "Economic Review".

              Quote: astepanov
              Quote: bayard
              there are AB experiments not only on lithium, but also on ... other minerals

              such a mineral - lithium - does not exist in nature and cannot exist. This phrase of yours speaks of your incompetence.

              Of course, lithium is not a mineral (it is metal), but CEPA ... I had in mind, among other things, experiments with CEPA, which, on the basis of which, showed a specific capacity several times higher than LIAB. If these experiments are successful, then it will really be a revolution, for sulfur is much more accessible and cheaper than rare-earth lithium. And, most likely, safer to use. Although it also burns hot, it is in the air, and not in water, like lithium.

              So I expected LIAB for submarines (and am waiting) from that company ("from Putin's entourage," as the Americans write) that was taken out of the United States, and not at all from "Chubais's treasury." And perhaps the news about the resumption of the construction of "Lad" in anaerobic form, just of this series ... Moreover, about the use of LIAB on new submarines has repeatedly slipped in the statements of the persons responsible for this.
              1. +2
                3 July 2019 13: 38
                Quote: bayard
                I had in mind, including experiments with SERA

                juxtaposing lithium and sulfur is like sweet and cold. Lithium is anodic material, sulfur is cathodic, it does not replace one another. Like, say, oxygen does not replace kerosene in engines.
                Quote: bayard
                sulfur is much more affordable and cheaper than rare earth lithium
                Lithium has nothing to do with rare earths. Rare earths are yttrium and a subgroup of lanthanum. And lithium refers to trace elements. By the way, sulfur batteries work with sulfur. In the USSR, these topics have been actively dealt with since the late seventies (I started working with this). Both in our country and in the world this direction has essentially come to naught - there are too many technological problems. For submarines, they are of little use, and in terms of energy performance they do not exceed lithium-ion batteries.
        3. Maz
          -3
          3 July 2019 10: 40
          I know what I'm talking about. And yours is definitely hardly very accurate
        4. 0
          3 July 2019 13: 31
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          True, the Japanese in their boats also refuse them ....

          and rightly so ...
      3. 0
        6 July 2019 22: 41
        I wonder how much% of the population of the Russian Federation believes in propogandon in a zombie, 70-80,90 ???? or even more, that’s where the horror is
    2. +3
      2 July 2019 18: 48
      possess the technology of building Anaerobic plants. Maybe it already makes sense to buy through third countries? How long to wait until Our build?

      You just need to invest money in R&D in a timely manner.
      And then everything seems to be fine with us, but there are a lot of pitfalls in any advanced Russian product that completely crosses out all the advantages.
      An example of a V-2 tank engine, a revolutionary engine for those years, and an air filter for it, according to American engineers, was developed by an explicit saboteur. Later, at the end of the war, they began to put a normal air filter on the B-2, and not just one, but two at once (once burned in boiling water, you’ll also blow milk).
      Almost a hundred years have passed, but as long as "foreigners" remain in design bureaus, nothing will change - even if 500 years pass.
    3. +1
      2 July 2019 20: 27
      The Japanese, Germans, French and other Chinese .... possess the technology of building Anaerobic plants.

      And each country scolds them in its own way, since some particularly significant results have not been achieved anywhere. While experimenting. improve, modify - if it makes sense to modify. We have developments, but the Navy has no desire to pay more for submarines, while not having a decisive advantage over those already in service.
    4. -2
      3 July 2019 01: 30
      Correctly write Mitsubishi. And not si.
      1. 0
        3 July 2019 03: 43
        And so, and so right. After all, there is no shi in Japanese, but si.
        1. 0
          3 July 2019 17: 35
          Quote: vkl.47
          Correctly write Mitsubishi. And not si.

          Quote: Greenwood
          And so, and so right. After all, there is no shi in Japanese, but si.

          You guys are both right. But I would say that this is a cross between "shi" and "si". More like a lisping cabbage soup. hi
          1. -1
            4 July 2019 17: 39
            If you read in English then Shi. In Japanese in another way. But they write in English.
            1. +2
              4 July 2019 18: 29
              Quote: vkl.47
              but they write in English
              In English they write for foreigners. They write 三菱 (み つ び し) for themselves - read from the original, and not from the English version.
              1. -2
                5 July 2019 00: 53
                All their products (even inscriptions on ALL enterprises and factories) are written in English.
                1. 0
                  5 July 2019 17: 26
                  I repeat for the gifted, the Japanese company, the name is Japanese and sounds like it is written and pronounced in Japanese.
                  1. -1
                    5 July 2019 17: 45
                    They write it in English everywhere! It's a fact! On the machines in which language it is written?! In Japanese?! In English! This is read from English as SHI at the end. Learn the language. And calm down already.
                    1. -1
                      9 July 2019 14: 51
                      There is no SHI sound in Japanese. And how do you think the Japanese read the name of the company? A club?
                      Quote: vkl.47
                      learn language
                      I once know Japanese and have been to Japan, unlike some.
                      1. -1
                        13 July 2019 12: 13
                        Well, of course, he’s smart. You’ve been lucky. But you certainly didn’t see all the inscriptions in the factories in English. And you just have to carry the game that everything is in hieroglyphs. Tired of reading this nonsense. The topic is closed. You are one of those people who Volkswagen TUPO calls Volkswagen when it is written In your mother and not F. And what else can you speak with people who do not know the language. All labels of such brands are written in English and not in hieroglyphs. And if we read from English then you need to read correctly and not come up with a gag
  2. +1
    2 July 2019 18: 11
    Who can tell what sense in the bevel on the top of the bow of the boat?
    on our fastest squares the cigar-shaped case is purely round
    Americans are round too
    and now several new different NPLs have appeared with a bevel
    I am a little more than zero in hydrodynamics, I only know a little aerodynamics.
    1. +1
      2 July 2019 18: 26
      Maybe it’s not the hydrodynamics, but the placement of nasal TAs, for which the HAC has been shifted somewhat lower.
    2. 0
      2 July 2019 18: 27
      Maybe there’s a locator there? belay
      1. +1
        2 July 2019 18: 46
        rather, some kind of win in the water position
    3. +2
      2 July 2019 18: 55
      Quote: yehat
      Who can tell what sense in the bevel on the top of the bow of the boat?

      In the surface / periscope course, a smaller volume of water goes up and more water goes to the sides. as a result, less unmasking effect, and just the nose is more stable. But such a nose also has hemorrhoids in the form of a worsening of the underwater passage (the nose falls down, which makes it more likely to taxi). On our and American submarines they make a higher superstructure with usually longer periscopes, because such a perversion is not necessary, on the other hand, a large superstructure more unmasks in terms of underwater sonar.
      ps as for me garbage is complete and it is better to make side bevels
      1. +2
        3 July 2019 09: 13
        thanks, very informative
    4. +3
      2 July 2019 19: 00
      Quote: yehat
      Who can tell what sense in the bevel on the top of the bow of the boat?

      Looks beautiful, predatory. And so - no. In the nose antenna GAK, the more, the better
      1. +2
        2 July 2019 19: 22
        Most likely, they took the shape of the body of fish or cetaceans as a basis. It looks somehow "bionic" ...
    5. +1
      2 July 2019 19: 35
      For the WOW effect. The article says
    6. 0
      2 July 2019 20: 31
      Who can tell what sense in the bevel on the top of the bow of the boat?

      I think that the Japanese so licked part of the lightweight body, which is called water.
    7. +1
      3 July 2019 17: 36
      Quote: yehat
      Who can tell what sense in the bevel on the top of the bow of the boat?

      They said - for "wow" ... laughing
  3. +1
    2 July 2019 18: 28
    The question is, why can not we take a temporary license for a Stirling engine?
    1. +6
      2 July 2019 19: 02
      Quote: Thrifty
      The question is, why can not we take a temporary license for a Stirling engine?

      And why can not we buy German diesel engines on our warships? Sanctions-with.
    2. +2
      3 July 2019 00: 26
      For some reason you are being minus, I don’t understand why ... I corrected your karma in plus, as much as I could.

      Because the Stirling engine for today is already an unnecessary steampunk.

      Lithium batteries on boats with Stirling in the volume of the compartment previously occupied by Stirling give greater underwater travel with the same autonomy.

      South Koreans and the Japanese themselves on their last boats Soryu instead of Stirling began to put lithium batteries.

      https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2443028.html
  4. +3
    2 July 2019 19: 05
    An interesting form of the hull, I think the boat will be good - it's still Japanese.
  5. +1
    2 July 2019 20: 23
    Po mne to eto kakoeto samobijstvo so storoni Rossiji nestavit na tanki sistemi tipa arena ili trophy, toze samoje o podlodkah bez etoij sistemi. Kak buto ktoto skazal "Net" i vsjo ...: O (
    1. 0
      3 July 2019 00: 57
      It’s just that you see the popular side of KAZ and don’t see the not popular side. For example, you see the praise of KAZ and you don’t understand that because of it, the infantry cannot cover the tank, so in one place they added in another, they decreased, the amount did not change. And the KAZ system itself requires detection systems that are easily incapacitated by the enemy, and where the enemy can’t do it there and the KAZ is not really needed. But still, in the case of tanks, the problem is not in the KAZ, but in the MBT concept, this concept is outdated and has become ineffective on the modern battlefield. It’s not interesting to laypeople, amateurs and couch experts to analyze and ponder all this, on what PR managers earn money ...
    2. 0
      3 July 2019 01: 36
      Guys, 2019 year. Well, who writes translit? There is a virtualka!
  6. +2
    3 July 2019 03: 25
    Why worry then? Anaerobic plants will also appear in Russia. In about a hundred years.
  7. +1
    3 July 2019 04: 37
    If Russia does not have VNU, there are no lithium batteries of large capacity, then the logical conclusion is to design and mass-build what we are good at - nuclear submarines with a displacement of 4-6 thousand tons armed with torpedoes / anti-torpedoes and 12-16 hypersonic Zircons.
  8. +1
    3 July 2019 13: 30
    Some common owl hi
  9. The comment was deleted.
  10. 0
    3 July 2019 23: 35
    Japan has 20 new submarines, and the Russian Federation ..... is clearly not enough
  11. +2
    7 July 2019 05: 47
    Thank you, very informative. How was it possible at the time to acquire in Japan machine tools for boat propellers, why can’t you buy an installation now? Disassemble and make your own.