"2019 Army": not a contract, but a holiday! The series "Ash-M" increased

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As it became known from the TASS report from 27 June 2019, a significant event took place at the Fifth International Military-Technical Forum "Army 2019". 46 contracts were signed with 27 enterprises of the military-industrial complex for the supply of military equipment for the armed forces. The exact amount is not disclosed, but it is specified that we are talking about more than a trillion rubles. About some contracts, something is known, about others - absolutely nothing, and indeed, it must be said that even drawing up a complete list of these 46 contracts is still a task. Yet something in the open sources "leaked"

Pilots - a holiday!


Finally, a contract for the supply of 76 Su-57 to the troops.





Yes, the number is small, yes, the contract is stretched to 2028, but the fact of its signing suggests that the PAK FA did take place, and Russian military pilots will still receive the long-awaited 5-generation multi-role fighters. Unfortunately, it is not known from which year the Su-57 will begin to arrive in the troops, but now, at least, we know for sure that they will go there.

The helicopter pilots didn’t stay at the same time either - according to the contract just signed with the Russian Helicopters holding company, they will be supplied 98 attack helicopters Mi-28НМ.



It seems to be not so much, but it will almost double their number in the army. It must be said that the Mi-28HM is a new modification, before that Mi-28Н was supplied, and according to the general director of the holding A. Boginsky, the shortcomings of the previous model and the wishes of the pilots were taken into account in the Mi-28HM. A second control kit is installed in the front cockpit of the new helicopter, the crew cabin has been upgraded, becoming more ergonomic. The commander and the pilot-operator will now receive information about the environment and the operation of all the systems of the machine in a larger and more accessible form. Mi-28NM received a new aiming, flight-navigation complex. Two helicopters of the installation batch have already been transferred to the troops, so their total number will be 100 units. The first 6 machines under the new contract will be transferred to the customer already in 2020.

But not by airplanes and single helicopters ... According to the bmpd blog, the forum also signed a contract with the State Machine-Building Design Bureau "Vympel. II Toropov" for the supply of "180 product", to put it simply - an air-to-air missile »Medium-range P-77 RVV-AE.



That we have such a rocket - it was known for a long time, and even in Syria, the planes with it "lit up", but creating a rocket is only half the battle, and it is important to fill the troops with it. So far, as far as the author is aware, rockets of this type have been received in the VKS in very limited quantities, and what's the use of even the most remarkable rocket, if there is none? Well, here is another contract (alas, the number of missiles under this contract will be delivered, the author is unknown): let's hope that in the foreseeable future, the P-77 will be as massive in our videoconferencing systems as the P-27 became at one time in the USAF - AMRAAM ADR.

Rocket men - a holiday!


Not much is known about the contracts in terms of air defense systems concluded at Army 2019. Avangard Moscow Machine-Building Plant will supply aircraft 48H6П-01 to the aircraft, but details, alas, no.

By itself, this missile defense system is designed for C-300PM1 / 2 SAMs and is a 48Н6Х2, but on a new element base. The 48H6Х2 itself was capable of striking aerodynamic targets at a distance of 200 km and an altitude of 27 km, and ballistic - up to 40 km in range and an altitude of 25 km. The maximum speed of the targeted targets is 2,8 km / s. The mass of the warhead - 180 kg.



As for 48Н6П-01, its range of impact for aerodynamic purposes was increased to 250 km., And, probably, other characteristics could also be slightly improved. Can the 48Н6П-01 be used for the С-400 system? As far as the author knows, the modification of this missile defense system for this complex is 48H6Е3, but is it important, even if not? After all, the armed forces of the Russian Federation have a large number of C-300PM1 air defense missile systems, to the level of which all X-2014 air defense systems of earlier versions and C-300PM300 were “pulled up” by 2, so why refuse to equip them with modern missiles?

And a contract was signed on Donald Trump's favorite rocket, which is ready to go for any madness for her, including breaking the INF Treaty.



This, of course, is about the 9М728 cruise missiles for the Iskander-M complex, which, in the opinion of the Americans, were violated by this agreement. Our excuses and presented evidence to the contrary: however, the DSRMD clearly goes into twilight. stories and orders to live long, so that these cruise missiles, conventional or not, will definitely not interfere with us. Personal opinion of the author, which he does not impose on anyone - constructively 9М728 has a range of much more than the stated 500 km, but it was specifically limited so as not to violate the contract. Now we can, without creating a new project, make extended-range cruise missiles, and perhaps, appropriately upgrade existing missiles.

Do landraits - a holiday!


It also became known that JSC Uralvagonzavod Research and Production Corporation entered into three state contracts. The first of these concerns the supply of 120-mm transportable mortars from the Petrel Research Institute.



Here, in fact, nothing to discuss. As comrade Napoleon said: “Guns kill people,” and the mortar, as is known, is an extremely harmful kind of artillery.

The second contract is much more mysterious, since it is a long-term document for the creation of ground-based robotic complexes, and here you already understand what you want. Well, the third contract provides for the modernization of the existing in the army T-90A to the level of T-90M.



For some, alas, unconfirmed data, upgrades are subject to 100 machines, but this is not about T-90, produced from 2004 to 2011, but about the very first sample, that is, T-90. Alas, the sources who wished to remain unknown did not say anything about the timing of the execution of this contract.

Nevertheless, newscertainly wonderful. The fact is that during the GPV 2011-2020, only T-72B3, which, of course, are noticeably better than the T-72 of previous modifications, but still no longer the spearhead of military-technical progress, entered the troops in a somewhat mass order. and against modern modifications of the “Leopards” and “Abrams”, hand on heart, they don’t look very special. Although, I must say that the T-72B3 are also different and depend on the year of manufacture - the first Tanks this modification became an extremely budgetary upgrade option for the T-72B, much inferior to Western electronics in electronics and bearing the old Contact-5 dynamic protection, but in the future (T-72B3 models 2014 and 2016), the situation improved somewhat - new engines appeared , modern dynamic protection "Relic", etc.

Nevertheless, and without any doubt, the T-90M is much better and much more consistent with the concept of “modern battle tank” than even the most advanced T-72BXNNXX. Here is an improved B-3C92F engine with 2 1 HP power. instead of B-130C92 with 2 1 hp on T-000А, and the newest 90-mm gun 125А2-82М installed on the Armata tank, and a new turret module with multi-layered armor. The T-1M received a modern Kalina fire control system. Unfortunately, the author does not have the opportunity to compare her performance characteristics with similar foreign products, but I would like to focus on one aspect of Kalina. The fact is that Kalina provides T-90M network-centricity, since its capabilities include integrating the tank on which it is installed into an automated control system for a tank battalion. Including combining information about the current state of the observation sector with an electronic map of the area, prompt recognition and identification of targets, capturing and transmitting information about the target in the field of view of the gunner ... So it is quite possible, a joke: "If I were able to cook, I would have married" would stick to " Kalina ”tightly.

The creators of the T-90M modification also provided for equipping the tank with the Arena active defense system, and if our Ministry of Defense doesn’t stint on it, it will be just fine. No less remarkable is the fact that the designers paid a lot of attention to improving ergonomics - the crew will get much more comfortable seats than they were before, the tank, of course, will be equipped with air conditioning and heating, and even the gearbox was made automatic, although with the ability to switch to manual control.

Sailors - a holiday!


And then, finally, "cherry on the cake." The author of this article has repeatedly described the extremely difficult situation prevailing in the domestic underflooding. In short, the situation was as follows: on the part of replacing the outgoing by just-renowned rest with new ships, things were more or less good only for SSBNs. “Mace” still flew, and the pace of construction of “Boreev” and “Boreev-A” completely allow them to timely replace with them the SSBN of the 667BDRM “Dolphin” project, for which, by the way, while they are still in service, an advanced ballistic missile was also created.

But in terms of multipurpose atomic and diesel submarines, we found ourselves in an extremely difficult situation - with the curtailment of the payroll, the program of deep modernization of the existing boats of the Pike-B and Antey type was ugly delayed, so even those few submarines and diesel submarines, which all still remained in the ranks, obsolete not only technically but also morally. They were to be replaced by new submarines of the 4 generation: MAPL of the 885 and 885M project (“Ash” and “Ash-M”).



As well as diesel-electric submarines of the 677 "Lada" project.



But the former turned out to be too expensive, which is why their total number in terms of GPV 2011-2020 smoothly decreased from 10 to 7 units. As far as its capabilities “Ash-M” corresponds to the American “Virginia”, the question is debatable, but this is our most advanced multi-purpose submarine, and only 7 units, including the “intermediate” Severodvinsk, certainly look like an evil mockery of real needs fleet. With the project 677 "Lada", too, everything went awry, because the lead boat of the series categorically refused to demonstrate the TTX laid down by the project in the sea. As a result, it came to the point of not being completely without submarines, it was necessary for the Black and Pacific Fleets to lay boats according to the modernized, of course, but still obsolete project 636.3.

And if there was still some hope about the LAD, because more recently positive news began to appear that the project was still able to be brought to mind, about the atomic multi-purpose nuclear submarines of everyone who cares about the state of the Russian Navy, black doubts . Instead of “Yasenei-M”, we were promised new type of ships, the development of which was carried out under the cipher “Huskies”, but everyone who knew at least a little about the current state of affairs understood: we are still very far from new boats and it is doubtful that in the near future decade will be laid at least the head "Husky".

"2019 Army": not a contract, but a holiday! The series "Ash-M" increased


It would seem that nothing foreshadowed ... and suddenly, just like in a fairy tale (which is surprising - with a good end!), Bmpd blog reports: during the "Army 2019" contracts were signed for the construction of four submarines, including two "Yasene-M" And two Lad!

Firstly, it’s excellent that the management realized the notorious inadequacy of the pace of rearmament of our atomic multipurpose submarine forces and increased the series of ships of the 885М project. Secondly, the order of two additional diesel-electric submarines of the 677 project indisputably indicates that the problems discovered during their operation have been solved. And let these boats not receive the long-awaited VNEU (although — who knows, maybe lithium-ion batteries will be installed on them), yet their combat capabilities, at least for the destruction of enemy submarines in the seas washing our shores, will be very great.

Think about it? ..


Of course, someone can say: “Well, think, 76 fighters, a hundred helicopters and tanks, and four submarines! What is it within the real needs of the troops? Little things, and only! ", - and will be right. But you should pay attention to this.

According to TASS, the sum of all 46 contracts is “more than 1 trillion. rub.". But the planned costs of rearming the armed forces of the Russian Federation in the period from 2018 to 2027 a little bit like that, about seven times, more than the specified amount. So, we are waiting for information about new contracts for the supply of combat equipment of the Strategic Missile Forces, VKS, army and navy!
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  1. 0
    2 July 2019 12: 08
    With gunpowder, rocket fuel sorted out, well done good
  2. +5
    2 July 2019 12: 10
    Thank you for the article. Dear Andrey: "Russian military pilots will still receive the long-awaited 6th generation multifunctional fighters" - obviously a typo?
    1. +9
      2 July 2019 12: 14
      Alas, a typo. And one more, alas, in the end - not 1 billion, but 1 trillion rubles
      1. +4
        2 July 2019 15: 35
        My regards....
        And with the timing - there will also be typos?)) Not yours, of course ..... It's just that with the same "Ash-M" somehow everything is very wrong ..... very much. Even our "constant friends" write that they have changed in him, but he is not in the ranks ...
        1. +2
          2 July 2019 16: 37
          Quote: frog
          And with the deadlines - there will be typos, too?)) Not yours, of course .....

          As always :))) But if the contract is concluded - they will build it, without question at all, and that pleases
          Quote: frog
          It's just that with the same "Ash-M" somehow everything is not very ... very much.

          What exactly? "Kazan" will go into operation, there are problems, but not nearly the same as on the head Lada.
          1. 0
            2 July 2019 17: 15
            Enter something will enter, the question is - when ?? And how much of it, already included, will be filed with a file ?? And "Lada" - yes, it's an epic, here you can't argue)))) And again, questions, since how was it resolved with it - you know it as an encore .....))))
            1. +2
              2 July 2019 17: 58
              Quote: frog
              And again, questions, because how it was resolved with her - you know his encore .....))))

              reasoning logically - if it were bad, then what's the point of ordering another 2 ship? then 636,6 would have ordered
              1. +4
                2 July 2019 18: 20
                Logically, you can argue, only in your beloved Fatherland with logic sometimes it comes out so funny ....... I don’t know in which version these boats were ordered))))
                1. +3
                  2 July 2019 18: 41
                  Quote: frog
                  Logically, you can argue, only in your beloved Fatherland with logic, sometimes it is so funny .....

                  Sometimes. And sometimes the fleet rests with a horn and does not accept "Gorshkov" in any way, although the question has many times gone to the level of the president. Which, in fact, is correct.
                  Quote: frog
                  Well I do not know in which version these boats were ordered))))

                  Excuse me, but what options are there? I have not heard about it
                  1. 0
                    2 July 2019 22: 14
                    The stump is clear, purely IMHO))), but "Lada" - the same diesel. In addition, the technical project of the initially "cheaper boat" to replace the "Halibuts" was sculpted, EMNIP, in the late 1980s ..... What is there and how in metal - who knows ..... Details and would know - did not say))))) But all the same diesels. Now, if we were talking about "Kalina" or there P-750B ..... I personally would dance))) But it is unlikely .... Yes, and the dancer from me is so-so .....
                    1. 0
                      3 July 2019 08: 09
                      Quote: frog
                      In addition, the technical project of the initially "cheaper boat" to replace the "Halibuts" was sculpted, EMNIP, in the late 1980s .....

                      This is not a cheaper boat, this is the 4 generation boat - there is everything new compared to halibut, from SAC to BIUS
                      1. 0
                        3 July 2019 09: 17
                        "The submarine of project 877 personifies one of the most successful series in non-nuclear submarine construction of the late 877th century. On the basis of this submarine, its export modifications were created - projects 877E and 641EKM. They implemented the most advanced engineering solutions of that time and used the existing experience operation of export modifications of submarines of project 641 (“Foxtrot”) (I641, IXNUMXK) in various regions of the World Ocean.

                        In addition, the export supply of these submarines limited their ability to recruit the domestic fleet. When analyzing this situation, the idea of ​​creating a small but sufficiently efficient diesel-electric submarine rationally equipped with modern torpedo, electronic and other weapons, cheap to build and easy to operate, which does not require large expenses for basing and training crews, was born in Rubin. The serial construction of such submarines could be carried out in a short time at relatively low cost, thus ensuring the protection of our maritime borders on the “internal” seas. If necessary, such a submarine could well be exported.
                        This idea found support from the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, Admiral of the Fleet Chernavin, and we were allocated funding for the development of a technical design for the submarine, which received the code name "Lada". The technical project was developed in a short time and sent to Moscow for approval "
                        I am, in fact, about the very beginning of this epic. The creators of the project spoke of him that way. Considering that 10 years have passed between these projects, it is clear that the filling has changed. And even more so, it is completely incomprehensible what and of what quality is on the real "St. Petersburg" ...
                        IMHO, there was a moment in this, since the "Halibut" is larger .... It was created by inertia with the capabilities of actions in the ocean theater. That for diesels now is somewhat ... strange. Therefore, "Lada" and did, or rather, wanted to do. Did just now.
          2. +5
            2 July 2019 19: 27
            Yes, but still on plan
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Quote: frog
            And with the deadlines - there will be typos, too?)) Not yours, of course .....

            As always :))) But if the contract is concluded - they will build it, without question at all, and that pleases
            Quote: frog
            It's just that with the same "Ash-M" somehow everything is not very ... very much.

            What exactly? "Kazan" will go into operation, there are problems, but not nearly the same as on the head Lada.

            Yes, but according to the previous plan, by 2020, the Russian Navy should have 8 Ash trees ... And we will have, at best, only 2 Ash trees, and the first one is assembled from the boat compartments of the 971 project, manufactured under Soviet rule ...
            1. +1
              2 July 2019 20: 02
              Well, so we already have 677-s should be in the 3 units. And in real life - one, and even then, it is not known how lame)))
            2. +1
              3 July 2019 08: 11
              Quote: Greg Miller
              Yes, only according to the previous plan, by 2020, the Russian Navy should have 8 Ash trees ...

              7
              Quote: Greg Miller
              And we will have, at best, only 2 "Ash",

              Yes, the third, I think, will not be in time.
      2. 0
        3 July 2019 04: 06
        Where's the typo? ...... According to TASS, the sum of all 46 contracts is “more than 1 trillion. rub.". But the planned costs for the rearmament of the armed forces of the Russian Federation in the period from 2018 to 2027 a little like that, about once every seventeen, more than the specified amount ....
        And as an addition. The rearmament of the Armed Forces includes not only the supply of military equipment, but also new vehicles, the same cars, small arms, various new ammunition.
        The same new missiles for RZSO not from the air appear, like air-to-air, air-to-surface missiles, new air defense systems, air defense systems and missiles to them. To rearm the aircraft with a new small arms for a new caliber and a new cartridge will probably be more expensive than to produce a pair of submarines.
      3. +1
        3 July 2019 05: 20
        Andrew, do not share the source of information regarding this?
        After all, the armed forces of the Russian Federation have a large number of C-300PM1 air defense systems, to the level of which, by the 2014, they were “pulled up” all C-300 SAMs earlier
  3. +2
    2 July 2019 12: 13
    But the planned costs of rearming the armed forces of the Russian Federation in the period from 2018 to 2027 a little bit like that, about seven times, more than the specified amount.
    Well, we must also think that the ground infrastructure will be modernized and military construction, which is also quite a lot of money.
  4. +2
    2 July 2019 12: 20
    PAK FA nevertheless took place, and Russian military pilots will still receive the long-awaited multifunctional fighters 6 generation.

    5 generation
    Take your time, the sixth has not even been drawn in the "cartoons".
  5. +3
    2 July 2019 12: 23
    For the melt happy! Another would be to replenish the surface fleet, even with frigates of the Gorshkov project, about the super-Gorshkov and destroyers. The leader is not even a dream!
  6. +4
    2 July 2019 12: 26
    Thank you, Andrew. A little optimism will not hurt us! smile
  7. +7
    2 July 2019 13: 20
    Good day, Andrey!
    I never thought it was your article. Somehow I treated you more seriously. Or do you have a team to suggest "all the best in Russia"? Okay, this is the lyrics, given your rich experience of discussions and power confrontation, I will go on the facts:
    1. Since when is the PAK FA an 6 generation aircraft?
    2. R-77 (aka RVV-AE) was created in the USSR. Unfortunately, this missile will NEVER be as massive as the R-27, because The R-27 carried the ARGSN, and the R-77 carried the ARGSN, which by definition is many times more expensive. Americans can afford AMRAAM with ARGSN for two reasons: first: they have a much richer state with a much richer military budget, second: they have much fewer goals for their air force and naval aviation (given the number of combat-ready aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces), they can to afford the "expense" for these purposes of expensive missiles with ARGSN.
    3. Regarding the new missiles for C-300, I would like to decide what is more effective by the cost / effectiveness criterion: the production of various C-300 missiles for various modifications, the production of C-400 complexes or the adoption of C-500 complexes? Even rich America does not allow itself such waste of funds.
    4. The fact that the INF Treaty is going "into twilight" is not a victory, but a misfortune for Russia. Compare the production capacities of the Votkinsk plant (now) and the General Dynamics company (even then, even now, however, now it is already a different company). It’s clear that we will not catch up with them.
    5. As for the tanks, all the facts given in your article are positive. There are several "technical" questions: a) the number of such vehicles in the army (the terms of modernization of 100 vehicles are not indicated, and 100 vehicles are just a tank regiment, according to the state, there are 94 tanks in the regiment), b) the gun from the "Armata" "climbs" in the T-90 with great difficulty, ammunition does not "climb" at all. If there are specific FACTS against - give. AZ systems were already tested on the T-55, I myself participated in the tests. Their widespread use is hindered not even by their cost, but by the inability to "combine" the KAZ with tactical standards: it is mortally dangerous for its infantry.
    6. As for the "network-centric" system, I have to repeat what I have already mentioned on this site: the Americans have been working on it for 30 years, but they still cannot recognize it as operational (for the ground forces). Very serious restrictions are imposed by natural conditions (range of radio communication in specific terrain conditions) + RTR and EW of the enemy. So far, such a system is from the realm of fantasy.
    7. Regarding the gearbox on the tank: as a former tanker who had practice on T-55 and T-62 with "mechanics", as well as on T-64, T-72 and T-80 with "semiautomatic", I can responsibly declare : the most convenient for the mechanical drive is "semiautomatic", when the gear is selected by the mechanical drive, and the shift is carried out by hydraulics. (T-64, T-72, T-80). That is why there were practically no damage to the gearbox and transmission on these tanks, incl. when they were exploited by "conscripts". In this regard, "automatic", in my opinion, is worse in terms of operating conditions.
    8. With regard to submarines: 4 submarines are UNRELIABLY LITTLE in the current conditions of our fleet, given that the timing of their entry into service will definitely "shift to the right."
    9. The last, in my opinion, is the most important. Despite the "negative" I have expressed, I consider myself a patriot of Russia. In my opinion, a patriot is not the one who shouts “everything Russian is the best”, but the one who shouts “it’s bad here, we must change, otherwise we will wash ourselves with blood”.
    PS for a "historian" of the fleet with 30 years of experience, not a very bad article on an abstract topic. Good luck.
    1. -15
      2 July 2019 13: 40
      Quote: samaravega
      In my opinion, a patriot is not the one who shouts “everything Russian is the best”, but the one who shouts “it’s bad here, we need to change, otherwise we will wash ourselves with blood”.


      And who constantly laments "everything is bad" - how is he, a patriot? Which country?
      However, from the text it is clear that a US patriot.
      1. -1
        2 July 2019 14: 15
        And who constantly laments "everything is bad" - how is he, a patriot? Which country?
        However, from the text it is clear that a US patriot

        Well, all is well in our troops only in the US patriots, so they regularly yell here - hurray, we don’t need it anymore, and three pieces are enough, there are no analogues in the world !!
      2. +11
        2 July 2019 16: 40
        Quote: Mestny
        And who constantly laments "everything is bad" - how is he, a patriot? Which country?

        With a dirty priest, you need to wipe it off, and not to say that it is clean! wink
    2. +9
      2 July 2019 14: 57
      Quote: samaravega
      Since when is the PAK FA an 6 generation aircraft?

      Ochepyatka Unfortunately, I can not edit the posted articles myself, so I sent a request to the moderator
      Quote: samaravega
      P-77 (aka RVV-AE) was created in the USSR.

      And right and wrong. P-77 is really the brainchild of the USSR, but it is a product of 170. We have greatly improved it, why she became a product of 180, and in this form, it was adopted relatively recently
      Quote: samaravega
      Unfortunately, this rocket will NEVER become as massive as the P-27, since P-27 carried PARGSN, and P-77 carried ARGSN, by definition, many times more expensive. Americans can afford AMRAAM with ARGSN for two reasons.

      What do you mean by mass? If the total number of missiles produced, then yes, it will not, because the Russian Federation Air Force is the largest number of tears against the background of the USSR Air Force. But if you count the number of missiles on a combat aircraft, then it is quite possible.
      Americans equip AMRAAM with huge air forces, we have fewer planes.
      Quote: samaravega
      Regarding the new missiles for C-300, I would like to decide what is more effective by the cost / effectiveness criterion: the production of various C-300 missiles for various modifications, the production of C-400 complexes or the adoption of C-500 complexes?

      C-300, C-400 and C-500 are complexes for different purposes.
      Quote: samaravega
      Even rich America does not allow itself such waste of funds.

      And who said that it was squandering? America solves air defense tasks with the superior power of its air force, so it does not really need a developed ground defense. Parity with the United States and NATO in the air is impossible for us, therefore, the air defense system is extremely important.
      Quote: samaravega
      The fact that the INF Treaty is going "into twilight" is not a victory, but a misfortune for Russia. Compare the production capacities of the Votkinsk plant (now) and the General Dynamics company (even then, even now, however, now it is already a different company). It’s clear that we will not catch up with them.

      First, I never said that it was a victory. But it does not matter, and the comparison of power here does not give anything. Compare the possibilities of replenishing nuclear arsenals - this will be correct.
      Quote: samaravega
      There are several "technical" questions: a) the number of such vehicles in the troops (the terms of modernization of 100 vehicles are not indicated, and 100 vehicles are just a tank regiment, there are 94 tanks per state)

      This is what I pointed out at the end of the article that we are talking about one contract, and not about the entire GPV 2018-2027 - the amount of contracts is "more than a trillion", and 19 trillion was laid on the GPV (although later it seemed to be reduced to 17, I don’t remember offhand rumor or fait accompli). So it is clearly premature to talk about quantity.
      Quote: samaravega
      b) the gun from the "Armata" "climbs" into the T-90 with great difficulty, the ammunition does not "climb" at all. If there are specific FACTS against - give. AZ systems were already tested on the T-55, I myself participated in the tests. Their widespread use is hindered not even by their cost, but by the inability to "combine" the KAZ with tactical standards: it is mortally dangerous for its infantry.

      I do not position myself as an expert on modern tank forces, information from open sources. And again, they write that the T-90M tower will be new, that is, that it will fit in there, and that - no, the question is fortune-telling. As for KAZ, I think that when they were developed, the standards were also taken into account - they don’t interfere with Israel’s use of KAZ (Trophy). I don’t know how it will be done in order not to kill my own people. But there are clearly no fools who would create an unsuitable system, but in other countries, Kaz is used.
      Quote: samaravega
      . With regard to submarines: 4 Submarine - it is unreliable little in the current conditions of our fleet

      And again - I would not say :))) 4 PL - of course not enough, but the point is that the Lada went into the series, and this is a huge plus - in my IMHO they are the only ones today who are able to fight on equal terms with the Virginias (I do not exclude that by the set of characteristics "its own noise + power of the SAC" it is better than any nuclear submarine). And Sevmash will not stand idle for Ash, that is, the boats issued to the fleet will be replaced with new orders.
      Quote: samaravega
      for a "historian" of the fleet with 30 years of experience

      I am not a historian, I am a publicist. What he wrote repeatedly, so that sarcasm is not very appropriate here
      1. +3
        2 July 2019 20: 48
        Please clarify what is the difference in the purpose of the S-300, S-400 and S-500? What do you mean by "the possibility of replenishing nuclear arsenals"? Production of nuclear warheads or launch vehicles? Or both? The allocated trillions by themselves will not give anything but theft: personnel, production facilities, equipment, state standards, etc. have been lost. So it is clearly premature to talk about the quantity, here I completely agree with you. As for the KAZ, so far nowhere (even in the Israel Defense Forces) they are SERIOUSLY used, although they have been worked out. As for "Lada" on an equal footing with "Virginia" - the best joke of the year. The diesel-electric submarine, which does not even have an anaerobic installation "on an equal footing" with the nuclear submarine, is a cool fantasy. Just compare the low-noise speed and the duration of the movement on them. At the expense of the "historian" of the fleet - these are your words from the discussion on your previous article.
        1. +2
          3 July 2019 01: 28
          Quote: samaravega
          Please clarify what is the difference in purpose of the S-300, S-400 and S-500?

          Well, it's elementary. S-300s are in service and will be in their latest versions for a long time and they have a new missile with advanced capabilities only to help (increased range and speed of intercepted targets), the S-400 has a longer detection range and destruction of high-altitude and high-speed targets (for him this missile will not be the most long-range in its arsenal, but more advanced than its previous counterpart), the S-500 is already a missile defense system not only for INF, but also for ICBMs, low-flying satellites and promising hypersonic missiles that will fly at very high altitude (30 - 40 km. +), From which their interception will be possible at ranges up to 600 km. The S-500 is already a regional missile defense, not only in Moscow - our country is large.
          All these air defense / missile defense systems are not going one instead of the other, but complementing the previous ones and closing the holes in the country's air defense. Each has its own range of tasks and area of ​​responsibility. So the S-350 is already in service (by the end of this year, the first regimental set), and the Buk-M3 (for military air defense), and the Pantsir-SM ... Air defense tasks are solved only in a comprehensive manner, and various air defense systems - these are tools for solving various problems of air defense and missile defense.
        2. +7
          3 July 2019 08: 26
          Quote: samaravega
          What do you mean by "the possibility of replenishing nuclear arsenals"? Production of nuclear warheads or launch vehicles?

          Warhead
          Quote: samaravega
          Dedicated trillions alone will not give anything except for theft: personnel, production facilities, equipment, GOSTs, etc. are lost.

          At the same time, by some miracle, dozens (and in 2014 of r - even 101) of combat and training-combat aircraft were put into operation, and more than 2012 of 1 airplanes and helicopters received from 000 of VC. This is like an example :)))
          Could give other examples - from personal experience. I will say this to you - personnel, production facilities and so on - all this can be found, there would be orders, but they are. As for technical documentation, as a rule, it still has to be redone a little more than completely - the equipment is completely different and so on.
          Quote: samaravega
          As for KAZ, so far they have not been used anywhere (even in the Israel Defense Forces), although they have been worked out.

          In general, the Merkava are quite commercially equipped with Trophies with 2009 r, the 401 brigade is fully equipped.
          Quote: samaravega
          As for "Lada" on an equal footing with "Virginia" - the best joke of the year. The diesel-electric submarine, which does not even have an anaerobic installation "on an equal footing" with the nuclear submarine, is a cool fantasy.

          Do you know that "Halibut" did "Los Angeles" in a duel situation? :)))))) I sympathize with your ignorance. You have picked up various fashionable things - anaerobic setting and so on, but, as I see, you don't understand the essence of the underwater confrontation.
          The submarine is always noisier than the diesel-electric submarine, built on the same technical level. Just because the reactor and so on - the thing is much more noisy than the battery :))))) Because when the diesel-electric submarine goes at low noise, even with a weaker GAK, it will usually detect the submarine before the submarine detects it. With all the consequences :)
          Quote: samaravega
          At the expense of the "historian" of the fleet - these are your words

          Nah I wrote that I have been engaged in the history of the fleet for more than 30 years, but I did not call myself a historian. So please do not distort.
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            3 July 2019 12: 04
            Do you know that "Halibut" did "Los Angeles" in a duel situation? :))))))

            This is so, it’s strange, therefore, that you advocate 30 MAPL. This is meaningless, the economy of Russia is much smaller, even only the United States (not to mention NATO). Therefore, the strategy will inevitably be defensive. And it will be better and cheaper to cover the deployment areas of strategists with Halibuts than Ashen (as they themselves noted)). Even the strategists themselves could be diesel))). Well, do not sail them to the far distance ...
            Here is the "guard" of the Amer. strategists at the exit from their bases still will not work. Although (now I thought) it is probably possible to guard the submarines of their allies! (Anglo-Franks))
          2. +2
            3 July 2019 12: 05
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            reactor and so on - the thing is much noisier than the battery :)

            in general, the reactor is not particularly noisy, especially if without a MCP request
            But the turbine produces energy, and it is noisy ... hi
            1. 0
              5 July 2019 13: 15
              Everything is noisy. And the reactor, and gtsny (I do not know powerful reactors without them), and turbines, and water treatment systems.
              1. 0
                5 July 2019 14: 14
                Quote: Artavazdych
                And the reactor,

                don’t enlighten what is the noise in the reactor - neutrons? bully
                1. 0
                  6 July 2019 00: 55
                  Coolant flow
                  1. 0
                    6 July 2019 13: 16
                    Quote: Artavazdych
                    Coolant flow

                    hmm .... have you ever seen a reactor? bully
                    1. 0
                      6 July 2019 14: 15
                      My dear, I directly manage it every day.
                      1. 0
                        6 July 2019 14: 52
                        Quote: Artavazdych
                        I directly manage it every day.

                        if SIUR, then you should know that the coolant flow is pumped by the MCP, which are noisy bully
                      2. -1
                        6 July 2019 14: 54
                        I could tell you something, what and how. But I do not see the point.
                      3. 0
                        6 July 2019 15: 00
                        Quote: Artavazdych
                        I could tell you something, what and how. But I do not see the point.

                        meaningfully ...
                        and I didn’t work on the remote control, so on the top platform ... I sawed the cassettes when the channel gave the goat ... remember - we insert the bar, fill in the epoxy box, wait - we tear ... feel
                      4. 0
                        6 July 2019 18: 42
                        Well, something like that I thought. You would moderate your aplomb and believe that there is a lot of noise in any reactor.
                        And the neutrons themselves are noisy, fact. I asked.
                      5. 0
                        8 July 2019 11: 15
                        Quote: Artavazdych
                        Well, something like that I thought.

                        noticeable that you do not know how to think bully I did it in practice ... laughing
                        Quote: Artavazdych
                        would believe that in any reactor a lot of noise.

                        I am an engineer and I don’t take my word for it, but I know the design of the reactors quite well ... bully
                        Quote: Artavazdych
                        And the neutrons themselves are noisy, fact. I asked.

                        Hmm ... and it's like SIUR ... I do not see topics for discussion ... hi
                2. 0
                  6 July 2019 01: 15
                  And by the way, an interesting question - do neutrons make noise? Maybe yes.
                  Fuel matrices still make noise when they shrink. Fuel rods when swell with gases.
                  When the power changes, the reactor cracks - heat pumps
                  1. 0
                    6 July 2019 13: 17
                    Quote: Artavazdych
                    are neutrons noisy

                    learn nuclear physics ...
                    Quote: Artavazdych
                    Fuel rods when swell with gases.

                    there is a volume compensator ...
                    Quote: Artavazdych
                    When the power changes, the reactor cracks - heat pumps

                    frank nonsense ... bully
                    1. 0
                      6 July 2019 14: 16
                      Thanks, I am silent now
                      1. 0
                        6 July 2019 14: 53
                        Quote: Artavazdych
                        Thanks, I am silent now

                        if you are on uranium-graphite, you should know that they don’t change the regime sharply ... request
          3. +1
            3 July 2019 14: 06
            Can you tell us more about the duel between Halibut and Los Angeles? Where does this information come from? Besides, "Halibut" and "Lada" are different projects. "Halibut" is willingly bought by "foreign customers" who have the opportunity to objectively compare the noise level of diesel-electric submarines in different countries. "Lada", in spite of all attempts, failed to sell any, even in the "Lada" version, even in the "Cupid" versions. I can cite the statements of various officials, including the then commanders-in-chief of the Russian Navy with an unpleasant characterization of the Lada. As for "the nuclear submarine is always noisier than the diesel-electric submarine", I refer you to the Rubis project. The French were very proud of him (quite rightly) and declassified the mode that the Americans had debugged on the Sturgeon - a quiet operation with NATURAL coolant circulation in the reactor, without the use of cooling pumps and turbines. The speed is comparable to the speed of diesel-electric submarines, but the duration ... Considering the superiority of the acoustic means of the "foe", it remains to pray for the endurance and professionalism of our submariners. Although, judging by the deaths of 7 captains of the first rank (colonels, in translation into combined-arms ranks) and 12 billion seized from ONE FSB colonel at once, you REALLY understand which colonels the current government values ​​more.
            1. 0
              3 July 2019 15: 02
              .. during NATURAL coolant circulation in the reactor, without the use of cooling pumps and turbines. The speed is comparable to the speed of diesel submarines, but the duration ...

              And what will be the duration WITHOUT turbines? Much less than DEPL, in which batteries are larger than atomic ones.
            2. +1
              3 July 2019 16: 14
              Quote: samaravega
              Can you tell us more about the duel between Halibut and Los Angeles? Where does this information come from?

              From our submariners, who quite managed to carry out tracking.
              Quote: samaravega
              "Lada", in spite of all attempts, failed to sell any, even in the "Lada" version, even in the "Cupid" versions.

              This is not surprising, given the banal flaws in the project.
              Quote: samaravega
              As for "the nuclear submarine is always noisier than the diesel-electric submarine", I refer you to the Rubis project. The French were very proud of him (quite rightly) and declassified the mode that the Americans had debugged on the Sturgeon - a low-noise operation with NATURAL coolant circulation in the reactor, without using cooling pumps and turbines

              They sent it :)))) And then what? :) The coolant in the reactor is just one of the components of low noise, and there are many more - the same turbines, for example. That is, a similar scheme And there is evidence that the Swedish "Gotland" hacked into the defense of the AUG, covered by the "elk".
              1. 0
                5 August 2019 12: 37
                What is meant by the phrase "from our submariners"? Conversation over a "glass of tea"? Official reports? Or something else?
                Besides "our submariners" is there any objective evidence?
                The banal incompleteness of the project does not allow referencing it in discussions, while it is a project, and will be measured by human lives if it (the project) goes into operation.
                Can you read? I have to repeat myself: without using the turbines! It is they who are the main source of noise on the nuclear submarine, it is they (the turbines) that determine that the diesel-electric submarines are fundamentally less "noisy", because turbines on diesel-electric submarines are absent by definition. Look at the diagram of the "Rubis" power plant, after which I'm waiting for SPECIFIC objections.
            3. 0
              4 July 2019 15: 51
              Quote: samaravega
              and turbines.

              went technical nonsense .... negative
            4. 0
              5 July 2019 13: 28
              . low-noise operation during NATURAL circulation of the coolant in the reactor, without involving cooling pumps and turbines

              What is this? Silent move - that is, a small move? The smallest. On natural circulation something. Cooling pumps - what are you talking about? Although I probably understand you - it's you about the milling center. But it is not the pumps that cool, but the heat exchangers. Well, without turbines ... it's not even science fiction.
              1. 0
                5 August 2019 12: 38
                Look at the diagram of the power plant of the nuclear submarine "Rubis", then comment.
      2. -3
        2 July 2019 21: 22
        Years after 10, Р 77 will be replaced by a newer one capable of fighting hypersonic missiles and aircraft.
      3. 0
        3 July 2019 00: 03
        I will not argue, but the merkava, which is equipped with a trophy, carries infantry in the landing compartment. this may be the fundamental difference in the use of OBT and infantry on the battlefield and, as a result, in the rationality of using the KAZ.
      4. 0
        3 July 2019 05: 22
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        C-300, C-400 and C-500 are complexes for different purposes.

        Andrei, these are not complexes - these are systems. The assignment for C-300P and C-400 is the same.
    3. +12
      2 July 2019 15: 07
      Quote: samaravega
      Despite the "negative" I have expressed, I consider myself a patriot of Russia. In my opinion, a patriot is not the one who shouts “everything Russian is the best”, but the one who shouts “it’s bad here, we need to change, otherwise we will wash ourselves with blood”.

      Well, I believe that you need to notice everything - both good and bad. My number of critical articles about the Russian Navy is off the charts - 2 cycles, after all, starting with "The Russian Navy. A Sad Look into the Future." And on "Poseidon" I walked. However, when something good appears - contracts for the Army 2019, or information about ordering new frigates of the Gorshkov - I rejoice from the bottom of my heart, and write relevant articles.
      Quote: samaravega
      Or do you have a team to suggest "all the best in Russia"?

      Yes, yes, from whom, if not from me :))))) You are my articles on the modern fleet look with one eye :)))
      1. 0
        3 July 2019 14: 11
        Thanks, maybe I'm really too picky about you. I apologize, it's not about you personally, "It's a shame for the state."
    4. 0
      2 July 2019 15: 11
      For each item I agree with you, because I think that this is not even half measures, but 5 is part of the less acceptable quantity of weapons that should be yesterday!
      1. +3
        2 July 2019 16: 39
        Quote: Sailor
        For each item I agree with you, because I think that it’s not even half measures, but 5 is a part of the less acceptable

        Nuuu, Ash has been planned for 7, now it will be 9, but you need at least 30 for good, but 9 from 30 is still not the 5 part
        1. -11
          2 July 2019 18: 11
          For good, you need not 30, but 300 or a multiple of several times, to be honest with yourself. And so in everything. And the article is again a joyful bravado for averting the eyes.
          1. +10
            2 July 2019 18: 39
            Quote: NordUral
            For good, you need not 30, but 300

            300 multipurpose submarines? Forgive me, but there was no such megalomania in the USSR.
            1. +3
              2 July 2019 19: 01
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              300 multipurpose submarines?

              Yes, no Andryukh, of course, 30 is enough. But on condition that they are already in the troops, and they are already building the Husky on the stocks! We have more than half of the nuclear submarines on the move finalizing their resource, while the United States and China are churning them out like hot cakes. Compare the pace and estimate the prospects. Simple math.hi
              1. +2
                2 July 2019 19: 05
                Alexander Shishkin writes that over the past few years, the nuclear submarine forces of the Russian Navy have lost at least eight nuclear submarines of Soviet projects. Moreover, "
                the number is not final. To date, one can be quite confident in the combat readiness of only five multipurpose submarines - Severodvinsk (Project 885, SF), Geparda (Project 971.1, SF), Kuzbass (Project 971, Pacific Fleet), Pskova (pr. 945A, SF) and Obninsk (pr. 671RTMK, SF), to a lesser extent - Nizhniy Novgorod (pr. 945A, SF). Seven more boats are under repair or awaiting repair - six projects 971 and one project 671RTMK. The once great and powerful general-purpose component of the USSR nuclear submarine fleet has shrunk to 13 units, half of which are not in motion. "
                https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/203848.html
                In general, the grouping of the 971s in our fleet has been safely destroyed a little less than completely. It seems as many as 3 pieces. in combat formation. "Gepard", "Panther" (SF), "Kuzbass" (Pacific Fleet). Vepr may leave VTG in the near future. The rest are in the eternal "modernization" and the eternal "reserve". Very, very sorry that it happened. Considering that in addition to 7, 2 more Ash-M were ordered, the stake was made on him.
                1. +3
                  2 July 2019 19: 51
                  Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
                  Alexander Shishkin writes,

                  I myself am writing about the same. And against the background of all this, the 2 additional submarines is still good news. It is clear that more is needed, but still better than 7
              2. -1
                3 July 2019 12: 08
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                that they are already in the army,

                why do the submarines troops? bully
                1. +1
                  3 July 2019 12: 29
                  Quote: ser56
                  why do the submarines troops?

                  You understood the meaning, why cling to words?
                  1. -2
                    3 July 2019 13: 07
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    The meaning you understood

                    Of course I realized - the militarist’s wet dreams ... bully
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    why cling to words?

                    if you want to be clearly understood, then write so ... hi
                    1. 0
                      3 July 2019 13: 36
                      Besides you, everyone understood me. Maybe the reason is you? wink
                      1. 0
                        3 July 2019 14: 39
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Maybe the reason is you?

                        Of course - the mirror is always to blame ... bully
            2. 0
              2 July 2019 19: 07
              As for the USSR, you obviously do not know how much and what happened, therefore we are still alive. Bust, of course, took place, but this is how to look. But now the opposite is true, the West has more and more in everything.
              1. +4
                2 July 2019 19: 50
                Quote: NordUral
                As for the USSR, you obviously do not know how much and what was

                It is in the know. At the end of the 1991 G, we have the 58 SSBN, the 113 Multi-Purpose Submarine, and the 114 Diesel Transmission Cell.
                1. 0
                  2 July 2019 20: 41
                  I will not look for a long time and I will give this schedule


                  It was this ratio that guaranteed peace in the world, along with the complementary factors of unacceptable risk for the States.
                  1. +2
                    3 July 2019 12: 11
                    Quote: NordUral
                    and I will bring this graph

                    The graph is curious - as soon as the USSR caught up with the USA in terms of the number of nuclear warheads, it came to an end ... bully
                    if not a secret - you and the Russian Federation want such a fate?
                    Quote: NordUral
                    I will not look for a long time and I will give this schedule


                    It was this ratio that guaranteed peace in the world, along with the complementary factors of unacceptable risk for the States.

                    hi
                    1. -2
                      3 July 2019 19: 16
                      The Soviet Union finished off the decayed top of the CPSU and the party nomenclature. Khrushchev did not in vain destroy Stalinism and the Stalinists.
                      1. +1
                        4 July 2019 11: 17
                        Quote: NordUral
                        The Soviet Union finished off the decayed top of the CPSU and the party nomenclature. Khrushchev did not in vain destroy Stalinism and the Stalinists.

                        1) if you are a Marxist, then where are the economic reasons? bully
                        2) The IVS put forward this top, so that he also created claims against him, the nomenclature ...
                        3) Khrushchev was not a far-sighted person, but he got tired of the Stalinist system of total control and repression, so that the snake (Khrushchev) ate itself (Stalinism) bully And rightly so - these were the enemies of the peoples of Russia and Russophobia ...
                      2. -1
                        4 July 2019 13: 33
                        I am not a Marxist, but Marx was a hundred times right.
                        As for Khrushchev, you would be interested in his role in the repressions and the destruction of the national economic mechanism of Stalin.
                      3. +2
                        4 July 2019 13: 51
                        Quote: NordUral
                        I am not a Marxist, but Marx was a hundred times right.

                        joke... bully
                        Quote: NordUral
                        As for Khrushchev, you would be interested in his role in the repressions.

                        an ordinary IVS assistant in this matter, who distinguished him and exalted him ...
                        Quote: NordUral
                        the destruction of the national economic mechanism of Stalin.

                        what was the requirement of the time - this mechanism malfunctioned: - the country lived in starvation and poverty! Non-economic coercion was the norm: in the countryside through enslavement of collective farmers, and in industry through the labor of the Labor Party. crying
                        It is clear that Khrushchev did not create anything worthwhile due to his little education, but HOW so small got such posts in the state? hi
                      4. -1
                        4 July 2019 14: 51
                        To whom is a joke, but to whom is reality. How the grove fell - so apart from Stalin there were still figures when the Khrushchev crawled out into the light of day.

                        And as I got, it was a very difficult time. Tell me the answer, how did you get to the tagged General Secretary General, the presidents of Yeltsin, and so on?
                      5. +1
                        4 July 2019 15: 05
                        Quote: NordUral
                        To whom is a joke, but to whom is reality.

                        if not a secret, what is Marx right about? bully in the labor army in agriculture, which we have called collective farms?
                        Quote: NordUral
                        so apart from Stalin there were still figures when the Khrushchev crawled out into the light of day.

                        Those. Do you claim that the decision to appoint Khrushchev to senior posts was made in addition to the IVS? bully
                        Quote: NordUral
                        but how did you get to the tagged General Secretary General, the presidents of Yeltsin, and so on?

                        Trite - Gorbi is the protégé of Andropov, and EBN chose the people as president, alas ...
                        Let's just say that the CPSU created such a rotten system ... request
                      6. -1
                        4 July 2019 15: 18
                        There is no time to discuss with you. The USSR was not perfect, Stalin was generally pockmarked, but under him the country developed.
                        A simple example - the very Khrushchevs that liberalists are so proud of - this is the implementation of Stalin's projects in housing construction, only in a worsened version.
                      7. +1
                        5 July 2019 12: 45
                        Quote: NordUral
                        but under him the country developed.

                        even better she developed under the kings request
                      8. -1
                        5 July 2019 13: 38
                        Of course, it was in February of 17 that they were finished with them.
                      9. +1
                        5 July 2019 14: 16
                        Quote: NordUral
                        it was in February 17th that they were finished.

                        1) You all recall the Soviet version - it’s so deceitful ... The generals and the Duma have done away with tsarism ... that’s how they lived badly ... bully
                        2) As a result of the defeat of the already won war, 10 million victims in the war, etc. etc. request It was worth it?
                      10. -1
                        5 July 2019 16: 46
                        Sergey, I’m not an instructor of the district committee and I won’t persuade you.
                      11. 0
                        5 July 2019 17: 15
                        Quote: NordUral
                        Sergey, I’m not an instructor of the district committee and I won’t persuade you.

                        I was a member of the CPSU and it’s not possible to convince me ... request
                      12. 0
                        5 July 2019 21: 30
                        And I was not, therefore I am not ashamed of the "communists" of the 70-80s (not all, of course). And I'm not going to convince you.
                      13. 0
                        6 July 2019 13: 15
                        Quote: NordUral
                        I haven’t been

                        not surprised, because they took the best ... bully
                      14. -1
                        5 July 2019 09: 49
                        Do not write nonsense, the country under Stalin developed at a tremendous pace, even the Japanese admit it, after such a war, the cards were canceled in 1947. and in England in 1952 or 1954, I don’t remember exactly. And that’s why Stalin did not eliminate the Trotskyites ’hornet’s nest Khrushchev, Ignatiev, Mikoyan is a mystery. They, in the end, killed him.
                      15. +1
                        5 July 2019 12: 48
                        Quote: Gemini
                        cards were canceled in 1947

                        to remove the guaranteed supply ...
                        Quote: Gemini
                        England in 1952 or 1954, I don’t remember exactly

                        still say. that in England at that time the people lived worse than in the USSR ... request just watch the movie Chair ... bully
                        Quote: Gemini
                        Trotskyites' hornet's nest

                        because he himself was a Bolshevik, i.e. Stalin and Trotsky are 2 boots - a pair ... request
              2. -3
                2 July 2019 21: 19
                And others are dead, as now with those weapons - with which the USSR pumped half of the world, it shoots with ever-increasing regularity.
                1. 0
                  3 July 2019 19: 17
                  That's right, say that, but not about nuclear parity, or rather the possibility for the USSR to cause unacceptable damage to the United States.
          2. +2
            3 July 2019 00: 05
            300 APL? Do you understand what you are writing about? 30 would be above the roof. in proportion also increase everything else.
            1. -1
              4 July 2019 15: 25
              There are different submarines, but three hundred against the whole West - just right (although it would be difficult for the Union), not to mention the Russian Federation, it has been a little dreamy, but this is not what we have, and we don’t know the whole state .
              And no one knows how many of our submarines will be sunk in the first minutes of the attack on us, I think that a lot.
        2. +1
          4 July 2019 11: 32
          And you subtract those boats that will need to be removed from the melt of the composition, and that’s the fifth part.
    5. +3
      2 July 2019 15: 23
      Quote: samaravega
      The fact that the INF Treaty is going "into twilight" is not a victory, but a misfortune for Russia.

      From what? Experience has shown that all the treaties concluded in the Perestroika were detrimental to the Russian Federation ... Without this treaty, the missile grouping by targets in Asia and Europe can be optimized, leaving the strategies for more distant partners. request .
      Quote: samaravega
      production capacity of Votkinsk plant (now)

      1) PCMD is cheaper than strategy ...
      2) for missiles, we need it and warheads, but with this in the US it is not easy - not uranium enrichment technology. nor multiplication reactors ... request
      Quote: samaravega
      x (dates for upgrading 100 machines are not specified,

      I remind you that in Germany less 250 tanks TOTAL ... hi and besides these T-90M promise also a hundred Armat ..
      or do you want again 60 000 tanks? request
      Quote: samaravega
      So far, such a system of science fiction.

      maybe that's why we should strive to make a fairy tale come true? Or want a backlog?
      Quote: samaravega
      : 4 PL - it is unreliable little

      it is necessary to compare with the possibilities, not desires .. request
      1. -3
        2 July 2019 16: 25
        Tanks in the open on the battlefield will no longer survive, they are affected by the ATGM: the second, third, fourth and fifth generation, guided artillery shells, cluster anti-tank ammunition - the attack core and kamikaze drone-guns - so mass production of tanks of several thousand pieces is no longer necessary.
      2. -2
        2 July 2019 18: 14
        So you can, after all, drive it deep below the plinth, which is what has been done for almost 20 years.
        1. 0
          2 July 2019 21: 14
          Now there are more opportunities than 20 years ago, and equipment with materials for every taste and color.
      3. -1
        2 July 2019 18: 56
        I apologize, I'll go right by the points.
        1. Perhaps, at the time of the conclusion of the Brokeback, the treaties were flawed for the USSR. However, now we need to look at the changed realities: the USSR is long gone, its military-industrial potential is hopelessly lost, the competition in the production of at least medium-range CD we will hopelessly lose.
        2. RIAC is cheaper than "strategists", so the Votkinsk plant was not engaged in "strategists" (except for the Kyrgyz Republic). The question is that the Americans will surpass us by any means in the number of medium-range missile launchers produced. Expand PU is a technical question. We will lose the new "arms race" anyway - today's Russia is very far from the USSR.
        3. I do not know where you got the information that there is no technology for producing nuclear warheads, no fissioning materials, or reactors for this in the USA. Share sources. Considering that this is the first country in the world to create an atomic bomb, somehow your information looks, to put it mildly, ridiculous.
        4. In Germany, actually, much more than the number of tanks indicated by you + British Rhine Army + US Army. And we have been promised a hundred "Armata" since 2015. Personally, my "promise" is already "out of order". As of 01.07.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX, NONE "Armata" are in the troops.
        5. We must not "make a fairy tale come true", but do real things to improve combat readiness. I do not want to lag behind, I am stating the fact: this lag already IS and, unfortunately, is INCREASING.
        6. Comparing opportunities and desires is a good thing. The colonel of the FSB in the apartment found 12 million rubles. - How much could this money buy for the army? It is about opportunities.
        1. +8
          2 July 2019 21: 38
          Read how Americans now built AP-1000. After Trimail, they killed the entire industry, as a result of which an attempt to build new reactors led to a real circus with horses, during which Westinghouse suddenly found out that he no longer had equipment suppliers for nuclear power plants and went bankrupt, an attempt to resume production of the main components of nuclear power plants in the US failed completely because domestic suppliers could not provide the necessary quality, and they had to order their production from competitors from South Korea. The main reason is the loss of competencies in heavy engineering to Asia and the complete loss of heavy engineering, as well as a mess in the production of nuclear fuel: they could not master the centrifugal technology of uranium enrichment, and their archaic diffusion plants cannot provide the current number of reactors with fuel volumes or by economy. Where else would they build reactors, if the current critically depend on the supply of enriched uranium from Russia? If today we impose an embargo on the supply of enriched uranium in the United States, then they will even have to turn off the already built reactors, since feed them nothing.
    6. -4
      2 July 2019 15: 48
      In my opinion, a patriot is not the one who shouts “everything Russian is the best”, but the one who shouts “it’s bad here, we need to change, otherwise we will wash ourselves with blood”.

      You are not a patriot, you are either an enemy or a very naive person. We will proceed that still naive.
      Your position is the position of the alarmist, it is no less and may be more harmful than the position of the cap shooter. During the war, they were simply shot. Because hats are a lot of blood, and alarmism is a defeat and, as a result, a VERY big blood. This is filosovski.
      And from the point of view of military science, reassessing the enemy is just as dangerous as underestimating, study the materiel.
      1. +2
        2 July 2019 18: 10
        Sorry, study the materiel for yourself. An alarmist is someone who shouts "everything is lost" AFTER the start of hostilities. I scream BEFORE the fighting starts. As they say in Odessa, feel the difference.
        1. 0
          3 July 2019 10: 41
          Sorry, study the materiel yourself.

          No, you study it.
          An alarmist is one who sows panic.
          Panic is an unaccountably instinctive horror negatively colored affect provoked by an imaginary or real danger,

          BEFORE or AFTER it has nothing to do with it
    7. 0
      2 July 2019 19: 51
      Quote: samaravega
      In my opinion, a patriot is not the one who shouts “everything Russian is the best”, but the one who shouts “it’s bad here, we need to change, otherwise we will wash ourselves with blood”.

      Thirty years ago, such patriots were very helpful.
      Reasonable criticism is needed, but if a person cannot live without finding at least one speck of dust in the cleaned room, then the problem is in himself, and not in the one who was cleaned.
    8. +3
      2 July 2019 20: 18
      Quote: samaravega
      Even rich America does not allow itself such waste of funds.

      Dear, why are you so modestly silent behind all this "sober analytics" of yours the fact that 80% of the entire US defense budget goes to modernizing the old and maintaining what is in the troops, as well as to providing drugs, and financing 800 bases for to the whole world? Well, since you decided to cut the truth to the uterus, then chop it to the end, you are our patriot.
      Quote: samaravega
      There are several "technical" questions: a) the number of such vehicles in the troops (the terms of modernization of 100 vehicles are not indicated, and 100 vehicles are just a tank regiment, according to the staff in a regiment of 94 tanks),

      Are you going to go avalanche tank to the English Channel? See how many tanks in total in European countries and compare quantitatively with ours. At the same time, this contract is for a trillion, and 17 trillions are embedded in the rearmament program, so it may very well be that the number will increase.
      Quote: samaravega
      With regard to submarines: 4 submarines are UNRELIABLY LITTLE in the current conditions of our fleet, given that the timing of their entry into service will definitely "shift to the right."

      Little, but the dynamics itself is important. 5 years ago, it was not even possible to dream of a new order of the same Ashes, just like Lada. Shifts to the right is debatable. Why not left?
      Quote: samaravega
      3. Regarding the new missiles for C-300, I would like to decide what is more effective by the cost / effectiveness criterion: the production of various C-300 missiles for various modifications, the production of C-400 complexes or the adoption of C-500 complexes?

      Complexes are different, from the word AT ALL. C-300PS, for example, will replace Vityaz with C-350. And with similar performance characteristics like C-400, there is for example C-300B4.
      1. 0
        3 July 2019 13: 27
        1. I don’t know how about the bases, but about the modernization of the old, we would still learn from the Americans. Example: many times and rightly criticized the USSR and specifically S.G. Gorshkov. for the variety of ships in the USSR Navy. The criticism is fair, it's really bad. The question is: where are the practical conclusions? The current Russian Navy cannot even call the language a "pale copy" of the Soviet Navy, and the number of types is the same as in the Soviet Navy. "History teaches that it teaches nothing"?
        2. I have to repeat myself: except for tanks from Germany, Belgium, France, etc. you also need to take into account the tanks of Great Britain and a certain number of tanks of the US Army and the ILC. Plus a huge number of anti-tank weapons, incl. very effective, left over from the days of fear of "tank armada" of the USSR and the Department of Internal Affairs (anti-tank helicopters and ATGMs in Western Europe were almost never reduced). 100 vehicles that are not yet known when they will be ready for combat - nothing. I repeat - this is a regiment. Or were there fools in the USSR General Staff? Count the number of tank regiments in the GSVG, TsGV and YUGV at least for 1991, when the first wave of reductions has already passed. Plus in the rear of the district in Belarus, the Baltic states, in the Ukraine with new equipment and a high degree of combat readiness. Even in the USSR, they understood that air supremacy would most likely be behind the "opposite side," and the difference in economic potential and the gap in technology would not allow us to wage a "war of attrition." The experience of the 3rd Reich was taken into account. The general staff exists in order, in addition to many other tasks, to plan various options for hostilities with ANY enemy, which in a certain situation may become real. When planning a variant of a war in Europe without the use of nuclear weapons (that is, without escalating into a global suicide of civilization), the directive to "push to the English Channel" was absolutely right. Given the potential of the USSR Armed Forces, the goal was quite realistic, and its achievement brought Great Britain to "zero" (even without aviation, OTRK and TRK in conventional equipment, as well as submarines, would quickly prove that the island, even with a powerful industry and a motivated population - this is an island), and the USSR and the USA are in a stalemate: either a nuclear war (read - suicide of mankind, and the famous phrase from American films "And the survivors will envy the dead" would become a harsh reality), or a truce in one form or another. What has changed now for Russia, apart from a hopeless decline in military and economic potential?
        3. About the "pledged trillions". I have to repeat myself: to lay down and master (to master, not to "cut") are two big differences. Do you know that Uralvagonzavod is bankrupt? That there are no personnel even at the Progress TsSKB, why are our space rockets and ships not flying?
        That "Gorshkova" could not be delivered to the Indians in time due to the incompetence of two of our factories at once (materials on the website of the Arbitration Court are freely available)?
        4. "Dynamics is important." I agree that if a hopeless patient shows positive dynamics for several days, this means that he will die a little later than expected. But he will die. That's all.
        5. If you are not sure about "shift to the right", give at least one example of "shift to the left".
        6. Concerning the air defense system. Learn materiel. The S-300, S-400 and S-500 would have previously been called modifications of one air defense system. There are no fundamental differences. The S-350 will NEVER replace the S-300 in the foreseeable future. this is the same S-300 for "small" missiles (RVV-AE or R-77 variants) with ARGSN, as a result, the "small" S-350 missile is more expensive than the "big" S-300. Sorry, only a person who has no idea about these systems can compare the S-400 and S-300V. The S-300V was created for completely different tasks, it is CONCEPTUALLY (and, accordingly, technically) completely different.
    9. 0
      2 July 2019 22: 40
      “A patriot is not the one who shouts“ everything Russian is the best ”, but the one who shouts“ it’s bad here, we need to change, otherwise we will wash ourselves in blood. ”IMPRESSES.
    10. +2
      2 July 2019 23: 14
      “a patriot is not the one who shouts“ everything Russian is the best ”, but the one who shouts“ it’s bad here, we need to change, otherwise we’ll wash ourselves in blood. ”It is consonant:“ The problem of this world is that educated people are full of doubt and the id-ots are full of confidence. "
  8. +6
    2 July 2019 13: 21
    Finally, a contract for the supply of 76 Su-57 to the troops.
    76 aircraft ... two regiments are not recruited. Tears, tears ...
    1. +4
      2 July 2019 15: 16
      Quote: Alex_59
      two regiments are not recruited. Tears, tears

      yes at least 1 regiment to create for the development of the machine
    2. 0
      2 July 2019 15: 32
      It is necessary to start somewhere. These are just the first 76 aircraft.

      Then they will decide again and re-buy.
      1. +1
        2 July 2019 16: 45
        Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
        These are just the first 76 aircraft.

        After 2028, there will be a second batch ..... laughing
        1. -1
          2 July 2019 20: 53
          Afraid not to live?
          1. 0
            2 July 2019 21: 00
            Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
            Afraid not to live?

            How god will give. But what is my life expectancy with the supply of equipment to the troops?
            Or do you really think the pace is normal? With such a pace of years through 50, the European part of Russia will speak Russian-English surzhik, and beyond the Urals will be explained in Chinese.
            1. -1
              2 July 2019 21: 01
              Live to 2028 and see for yourself.

              Today, only 2019.

              This is the connection.

              hi
      2. 0
        2 July 2019 20: 24
        Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
        Then they will decide again and re-buy.

        But explain to me why, before 28, to purchase 76 machines without a standard engine, without standard weapons and MSA, without standard sensors? Considering that, with low visibility in this machine, the seams, what advantages does it have over Su-35? It would not have been better for this money to buy 35-now, and 57- when the standard equipment will be ready?
        1. 0
          2 July 2019 20: 55
          Yes!

          And the Crimean Bridge is Mostfilm.

          laughing
        2. 0
          3 July 2019 08: 30
          Quote: shahor
          But explain to me why, before 28, to purchase 76 machines without a standard engine, without standard weapons and MSA, without standard sensors?

          Where did all this game come from, do not tell me? :))))) The airplane has been flying for a long time in a complete set (except for the engine of the second stage).
          Quote: shahor
          reading that with low visibility in this car-seams

          And who told you this nonsense? :)
          1. 0
            3 July 2019 19: 22
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            And who told you this nonsense? :)
            Reply

            And I read this stupidity on this site a few days ago. Black on white. Weapons and suo are not ready. In general, before giving assessments, it would be worth checking the essence. If I don’t agree with your article in everything, I don’t give her a derogatory assessment. We will not lead the discussion on the issue of concern to us on the basis of principles. Do you agree?
  9. +3
    2 July 2019 13: 35
    The gun on the T-90 is still worth 2A46М5. With the new cannon of problems so far, a large percentage of defects in blanks are so large that we can’t talk about masses.
  10. -4
    2 July 2019 14: 13
    According to TASS, the sum of all 46 contracts is “more than 1 trillion. rub.". But the planned costs of rearming the armed forces of the Russian Federation in the period from 2018 to 2027 a little bit like that, about seven times, more than the specified amount. So, we are waiting for information about new contracts for the supply of combat equipment of the Strategic Missile Forces, VKS, army and navy!

    waiting, waiting
    1. -3
      2 July 2019 14: 48
      Without negativity and whining completely impossible?
      1. +2
        2 July 2019 14: 49
        Without negativity and whining completely impossible?

        and what the friend of the boat of communication did not please you with? request lol
    2. +2
      2 July 2019 15: 48
      Why comment?
      Troll?
  11. +8
    2 July 2019 15: 14
    as usual, a few words of criticism.
    mortars on trucks - are you serious? dozens of mobile systems are already being demonstrated worldwide
    in which attention is paid to ergonomics and the improvement of thth of this design, and we have a truck + a stupid mortar on it. It's not even archaic, it's just some kind of trash for a tick.
    Further, Pak-fa will go to the troops. When, how much - again, complete uncertainty. "no pakfa yet, but you're holding on." Recently, they talked about reducing the cost of supplying Pak fa. not a word here.
    Aircraft DRLO, PLO, transport aircraft? zero.

    About the problems of replenishing the submarine said little. what has been received is not enough.

    about tanks and armored vehicles in general.
    there are so many enthusiastic words said the author of the article, but somehow hesitated to remind about the minuses - solved the problem of quality improvement sub-caliber ammunition? No, and not even foreseen. Than you will punch in the forehead of the last abram, leklerk, leopard or z-99, I personally do not understand. How many and when will the valve come? What is the fate of the transition to a larger caliber, which is obviously needed? solid upgrades, and where are the new cars? where are the new lms and infrared equipment?
    where is even a hint of protection from spike type complexes? Where is the import substitution components?
    but tanks are still ok.
    What about BPM? here we are pleased with the modernization of 30-40 summer cars from the warehouse, which does not improve their protection. Oh no, I lie - they welded lattices !!! laughing The BTR also received very limited improvements, and the new boomerang-type machines are not audible and not visible. About Kurgan, etc. just silence.
    What about the warrior and infantry retrofitting? hb + a foreva ??? Nothing about sniper equipment, improved individual armor, AEK delivery where (which actually was also promised)?

    What about drones, UAVs, anti-mine equipment, supplies of improved anti-mine armored vehicles, automatic reconnaissance and surveillance equipment, demining machines? Complete failure.
    No, it certainly is, but ... years on 10 behind competitors.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with what I wrote, it's just that the army has a lot of problems stemming from the economy and the leadership of the country, and they are only deepening.
    Take the Syrian experience. Have you ever done anything to work out the technology to protect the roads from the installation of land mine traps? Is there a control, surveillance and patrol base? Not. Are there mine machines? No (only at the Strategic Missile Forces something appears), is there a massive (hundreds!) Armored cars with the necessary level of mine protection? No, and not foreseen.
    And the spotters will still be forced to steal up to the enemy at close range and die, and not watch from the convenient office in Moscow from the UAV cameras?

    and the final touch. Where is the progress in automating the network-centric coordination elements? zero.

    The author of the article, so why are you happy? Nominal presence of moving is not equal to zero?
    1. -2
      2 July 2019 16: 28
      In the army, reconnaissance drones for more than 2000 with an adjustment for gunners no longer have problems.
      1. +4
        2 July 2019 16: 32
        Quote: Vadim237
        In the army, reconnaissance drones for more than 2000 with an adjustment for gunners no longer have problems.

        There are problems, I can say this as a person working on the production of UAVs.
        Most of the drone - or very outdated designs or small
        but for normal targeting you still need something more -
        telemetry transmission, linking to global coordinates, high-quality camera, because if you look at the focus, you can react, the communication range with the UAV and a number of other parameters.
        1. 0
          2 July 2019 17: 15
          "Working on the production of UAVs". Which UAVs - civilian or military?
          1. +2
            2 July 2019 17: 27
            I do not even know what to say. it's just called intelligence.
            and what they are looking for - gophers or adversaries, they do not report this to me.
            1. 0
              2 July 2019 21: 00
              If they are looking for gophers, then these are civilian UAVs.
    2. +4
      2 July 2019 16: 50
      Quote: yehat
      mortars on trucks - are you serious? dozens of mobile systems are already being demonstrated worldwide
      in which attention is paid to ergonomics and the improvement of thth of this design, and we have a truck + a stupid mortar on it. It's not even archaic, it's just some kind of trash for a tick.

      No thrash at all. Just like the presence of ACS does not make towed artillery unnecessary.
      Quote: yehat
      Further, pak-fa will go to the troops. When, how much - again complete obscurity.

      Sergey, the usual record is stuck? :))))))) 76 pieces to 2028. It seems like Russian and white is written :)
      Quote: yehat
      Recently, they talked about reducing the cost of deliveries of the pack. not a word here.

      Contract value is unknown.
      Quote: yehat
      Aircraft DRLO, PLO, transport aircraft? zero.

      This is 16-18 trillion. funds not spent on HPV 2018-2027. These contracts are not LG, but ... only contracts.
      Quote: yehat
      there are so many enthusiastic words said the author of the article, but somehow hesitated to remind about the minuses - solved the problem of quality improvement sub-caliber ammunition? No, and not even foreseen.

      Well, I came across data on the creation of new podkaliberov, but here I can not judge. And then - to me personally, it is completely incomprehensible than from this the news about the T-90M is worse.
      Quote: yehat
      where are the new lms and infrared equipment?

      Kalina, however. On T-90M
      Quote: yehat
      What about the warrior and infantry retrofitting? hb + a foreva ???

      This is just some kind of tryndets. Warriors already as of 2015 r army 71 000 kits received, and deliveries continue. Sergey, you are ... somehow watch the news, or something :)))))
      Quote: yehat
      and the final touch. Where is the progress in automating the network-centric coordination elements? zero.

      And what, for example, the tablet Warrior does not like?
      1. 0
        2 July 2019 18: 31
        Good afternoon again.
        You do not need to wishful thinking, but you really need to be critical. Let's go point by point:
        1. An armored "Ural" or "Kamaz" with a 120-mm mortar in the back is a pitiful repetition of the Soviet era complex based on the GAZ-66. Apart from the higher cost, there are no advantages.
        2. The 76 units of the PAK FA, which allegedly will go to the Russian Aerospace Forces before 2028, are very cool, considering how many 5-generation planes by this time will go into service with the NATO bloc.
        3. Unfortunately, the unspent millions and trillions of rubles will never be spent for the good of the Motherland: production capacities have been lost, staff fired, new staff not trained (Rogozin is the best example). They (money) can be "sawed", "stolen", etc.
        4. Due to certain circumstances, I still maintain contacts with officers of the 15th Motorized Rifle Brigade, which is carrying out "peacekeeping" operations in various regions of Europe and Africa. They did not even hear about "Ratniki" there. Where are those 71.000 sets?
        1. -3
          2 July 2019 18: 38
          Quote: samaravega
          An armored "Ural" or "Kamaz" with a 120-mm mortar in the back is a pitiful repetition of the Soviet era complex based on the GAZ-66.

          Yeah. And ZIS-3 - a pitiful repetition of the Tsar Cannon.
          Quote: samaravega
          In addition to the higher cost - no advantages.

          Considering that the "Cornflower" on the GAZ-66 had 82-mm, and this one - 120-mm ... Well, I don't know laughing It seemed to me that in artillery caliber matters, probably I missed something :)
          Quote: samaravega
          The 76 units of the PAK FA, which allegedly will go to the Russian Aerospace Forces before 2028, are very cool, considering how many 5-generation planes by this time will go into service with the NATO bloc.

          Its analogue was and remains F-22, which have long been discontinued. And F-35 can resist and Su-35 - no problem.
          Quote: samaravega
          Unfortunately, millions and trillions of unencumbered rubles have been spent so much for the good of the Motherland and will not be wasted: production facilities are lost, staff is dismissed, new staff is not trained

          And who only supplies hundreds of airplanes and helicopters a year to the VKS? Old Hottabych, not otherwise.
          Quote: samaravega
          Due to certain circumstances, I still maintain contacts with officers of the 15th Motorized Rifle Brigade, which is carrying out "peacekeeping" operations in various regions of Europe and Africa. They did not even hear about "Ratniki" there.

          And what does that prove?
          1. +2
            2 July 2019 19: 09
            Sorry, if you do not own the material, no need to criticize. The automatic 82-mm mortar "Vasilek" was only theoretically based on the GAZ-66. In reality, he always stood on MT-LB. It was with this option that I "worked" in Tajikistan, as part of the 201st Motorized Rifle Division, which still existed at that time. The SV was armed with the "Sani" complex on the GAZ-66 chassis with a caliber of 120 mm. It was with him that I compared the current so-called. know how. Which I recommend to you too.
            1. 0
              2 July 2019 19: 18
              Quote: samaravega
              Sorry, if you do not own the material, do not criticize.

              So do not criticize.
              Quote: samaravega
              The SV was in service with the Sani complex on the GAZ-66 chassis with a caliber of 120 mm.

              Yeah. Which, under Soviet power, was installed not only on GAZ-66, but also on Ural-4320, which, in fact, is six-axle. Also see, corruption seized.
              1. +2
                2 July 2019 19: 30
                Never in its life has the "Sani" been installed on the "Ural". There are facts against - give. And what about do not criticize - do not lie, I will not criticize.
                1. 0
                  2 July 2019 19: 47
                  Quote: samaravega
                  Never in its life has the "Sani" been installed on the "Ural". There are facts against - bring.


                  Like here
                  ONLY I, too, made a little mistake - there was the Ural 43206, it is a four-wheel
                  1. +4
                    2 July 2019 19: 49
                    This is already in the Russian Federation, due to the absence of GAZ-66. Well, what about you: "Cherry on the cake" - it's true "Ural" 4 * 4.
                    1. 0
                      2 July 2019 20: 58
                      For this mortar and guided mines began to enter service, otherwise it is simple and reliable.
                    2. +1
                      3 July 2019 08: 38
                      Quote: samaravega
                      This is already in the Russian Federation, due to the absence of GAZ-66.

                      Suppose you are right. That's just in today's car, in contrast to GAZ, the armored cabin and the armored capsule in the body for the crew http://bastion-karpenko.ru/2s12a-motovoz/
                      This is also a useless innovation, designed only to draw money from the budget?
                      1. 0
                        3 July 2019 11: 28
                        It is too worthless innovation, designed only to draw money from the budget?

                        And really worthless))) What is superior to the old Nona-ICS? Lower price? With armor is unlikely. Disadvantages - large size and height (that survival does not add)), DOES NOT float ... Probably a higher rate of fire and ammunition would be in demand in wars like WWII)))
                      2. 0
                        3 July 2019 12: 53
                        Quote: anzar
                        What is superior to the old Nona-SVK?

                        The fact that it is - a completely different class of technology. I repeat, the presence of self-propelled guns does not negate the need for towed artillery.
                      3. 0
                        3 July 2019 14: 52
                        the presence of self-propelled guns does not cancel the need for towed artillery

                        Such a need is now doubtful - armies are not massive (for wars such as WWII) and several (not times!) Lower towing costs, combined with their lower survivability, are not so in demand. Let cash sit in the parks, but the new ones are archaic, meaning only in models for air. transportation to barmaley))
                      4. 0
                        3 July 2019 17: 14
                        Quote: anzar
                        Such a need is now dubious — armies are not massive (for wars like WWII) and a few (not times!) Lower towing cost, coupled with their lower survivability, is not so much in demand

                        Not exactly at all - it is an order of magnitude simpler to dig a shelter for a towed mortar than for Nona. As a matter of fact, the refusal of towed artillery systems makes sense only in case of abandonment of vehicles as a means of troop delivery (full transition to the BTR-BMP), and that is not
        2. +2
          3 July 2019 12: 15
          Quote: samaravega
          Higher cost rum - no benefits.

          calculation when driving for armor - is it not enough? In addition, air conditioning and other advantages ....
          Quote: samaravega
          how many 5th generation aircraft will go into service with the NATO bloc by this time.

          Are you going to fight with NATO? What for? By the way - will it be in 10 years ....
          1. +1
            3 July 2019 13: 42
            "Calculating when moving behind armor" is cool. Did anyone evaluate the thickness of this armor? What kind of destructive means can it resist? As they wrote in the SA, "to rifle-caliber bullets and fragments of LOW-CALIBRARY (highlighted by me) shells and mines"? Not suitable for "anti-partisan" wars, because will not be able to withstand even an RPG, even a large-caliber machine gun, even a mine or a land mine. It is also not suitable for a "big" war: it is too expensive in mass production. So who needs this "capsule" and why?
            "Will there be NATO in 10 years ..." Send that you smoke. I will give any money, since it is not so sickly "pins".
            1. -1
              3 July 2019 14: 45
              Quote: samaravega
              Has anyone evaluated the thickness of this armor?

              of course! if you do not know, then this quantity, like the others, is set by the customer ... hi
              Quote: samaravega
              because can't resist at least RPGs,

              what for? it's not a tank ... can you imagine the tactics of regimental / battalion artillery?
              By the way, do you know at least one self-propelled guns in the world that can withstand RPGs? bully
              Quote: samaravega
              even a heavy machine gun, even a mine or a land mine.

              in fact, when the column moves, it should be guarded, and reconnaissance is carried out along the way, including engineering ...
              Quote: samaravega
              Send what you smoke.

              I do not smoke since 1987 ... hi
              Quote: samaravega
              I will give any money, since it is not so sickly "pins".

              I am not an expert in such matters - you know better ... bully
              but the future of NATO in the new realities is not optimistic - if you do not see it. then your problems ... hi
    3. +5
      2 July 2019 18: 17
      It's not even archaic, it's just some kind of thrash for ticksи. Exactly!
    4. +2
      2 July 2019 19: 56
      That totally agree with you. Only local patriots cheers now zaminusuyut and start screaming that we are the coolest, and the mattresses, so walk out ...
  12. +2
    2 July 2019 15: 47
    Yes, good, but not enough. However, the road to 10 thousands of steps begins with the first step. Hopefully, this is only part of the iceberg.
  13. -1
    2 July 2019 16: 20
    46 contracts were signed with 27 enterprises of the military-industrial complex for the supply of military equipment for the armed forces. The exact amount is not disclosed, but it is specified that we are talking about more than a trillion rubles.
    That is, we are talking about the amount equivalent to the cost of only 13 (thirteen) Roma Abramovich yachts of the Eclipse type.
    1. +2
      2 July 2019 16: 51
      Quote: Undecim
      That is, we are talking about the amount equivalent to the cost of only 13 (thirteen) Roma Abramovich's yachts.

      Well, yes ... about what will be spent even more 200 yachts laid in the LG is not reported.
      1. +1
        2 July 2019 17: 34
        About two hundred yachts are from a series of fairy tales about Nasreddin and donkey for puberty turbo patriots. In ten years they (conditional yachts) will be much smaller. And if you consider how plans and realities correlate in practice, then your knock on the timpani and the dude on the panfar are clearly premature.
        But the real billionaires will obviously become more, because the budget deriban is the most profitable business, especially in the defense industry.
        1. +3
          2 July 2019 18: 27
          Quote: Undecim
          About two hundred yachts are from a series of fairy tales about Nasreddin and donkey for puberty turbo patriots.

          Well, how? 17-19 trillion on rearmament is quite feasible with today's budgets. Maybe not enough, of course, but not too much.
          Quote: Undecim
          In ten years they (conditional yachts) will be much smaller. And if you consider how plans and realities correlate in practice, then your knock on the timpani and the dude on the panfar are clearly premature.

          Look how painfully you react to any positive news about our sun :))) Let's see, life will show.
          Quote: Undecim
          But the real billionaires will obviously become more, because the budget deriban is the most profitable business, especially in the defense industry.

          As a person who worked in the defense industry, I can not confirm your words.
          1. 0
            2 July 2019 19: 18
            Look at how painfully you react to any positive news about our aircraft.
            And where did you see signs of a painful reaction?
            I just react to the submission form. I somehow illustrated this method with a selection of a ten-year cycle of news about the design and construction of an aircraft carrier. Too lazy to dig in the old comments, if there is a desire - look.
            1. +1
              2 July 2019 19: 43
              Quote: Undecim
              And where did you see signs of a painful reaction?

              We just have everything in the sun ... let's say, not everything is good. But sometimes there is good news - it’s not a sin to rejoice, despite the presence of a host of other problems. And to see in the positive news only one knock at the timpani and something else there ... As for me, this is exactly the kind of reaction, however, I agree that you know your reactions better than I do.
          2. +3
            2 July 2019 20: 01
            Unfortunately, it is not possible to really master the indicated amounts (and not "cut"). Lost personnel, production capacity, equipment, etc. A simple example: the Volgograd Tractor Plant, the first in the USSR to master the production of combat vehicles from aluminum alloys (BMD-1, etc.). I saw what was left of him, in 2017 the Wehrmacht and 1942 nervously smoke on the sidelines in terms of the destruction caused.
            1. +1
              2 July 2019 20: 53
              Well, this plant on tractors went bad, he didn’t have any competitive products - no one needs the plant to either Agromash or Rostselmash, since the depreciation of fixed assets is 95%, now there are only BMD repair facilities left. The territory is likely next year to be cleared for cleaning up and building, the same fate awaits Volgograd Khimprom.
        2. 0
          2 July 2019 20: 55
          Of course, there will be more billionaires - already 12 people will take note that those who will become billionaires will be ruble in the next two years.
    2. +1
      2 July 2019 22: 52
      Quote: Undecim
      46 contracts were signed with 27 enterprises of the military-industrial complex for the supply of military equipment for the armed forces. The exact amount is not disclosed, but it is specified that we are talking about more than a trillion rubles.
      That is, we are talking about the amount equivalent to the cost of only 13 (thirteen) Roma Abramovich yachts of the Eclipse type.

      And you do not take into account the financial capabilities of the state? Nobody argues, you need more money for rearmament. But where to get them?
      Or let's cancel pensions, social payments, close the programs for building schools, kindergartens, etc., and let the money go free.
      So, in your opinion, right?
  14. +1
    2 July 2019 16: 33
    Contracts have been signed ... It's all paper, but what kind of interesting sausage will be at the end? For me, the words "Launched", "put into operation", "put into the army" sound really encouraging. I have somehow forgotten how to believe "contracts" ...
    1. +1
      2 July 2019 16: 52
      Quote: mik193
      Contracts concluded ... This is all paper

      Not really. Contracts are executed, it is a fact - another question, with which shifts to the right. And depending on where - for example, aviation periodically performs ahead of schedule
  15. +6
    2 July 2019 16: 54
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    for example, the tablet Warrior is not satisfied?

    because it is a tablet ... and nothing else. And the big question is to provide field communication.
    about the warrior - read reviews soldiers. Conscripts do not get new kits - they drag yuzanye.
    and the completeness, to put it mildly, is far from the declared one, and any school with expensive equipment is at the expense of soldiers and officers.
    1. +2
      2 July 2019 18: 30
      Quote: yehat
      because it is a tablet ... and nothing else.

      In fact - a lot more, and now.
      Quote: yehat
      Conscripts do not get new kits - they drag yuzanye.

      By itself. Who will give the new warrior a recruit, and why?
      Quote: yehat
      and completeness to put it mildly is far from the declared

      So for the draftee of all the adapters and will not be, at least in the foreseeable future. Seriously to fight in the warrior can only contract
      1. 0
        3 July 2019 12: 35
        I'm talking about all the recruits, and not just about those who just got into the training.
    2. 0
      3 July 2019 12: 19
      Quote: yehat
      and any jamb with expensive equipment - at the expense of soldiers and officers.

      But was it different in SA?
      1. +1
        3 July 2019 12: 23
        if a soldier in the USSR was given a night vision device and he smashed it during the field exercises, and not while drinking. I doubt that they took something from him
        1. 0
          3 July 2019 13: 08
          Quote: yehat
          I doubt that they took something from him

          and in vain ...
          1. +1
            3 July 2019 13: 51
            what to take from a soldier whose salary is 20-30 rubles?
            1. 0
              3 July 2019 14: 47
              Quote: yehat
              what to take from a soldier whose salary is 20-30 rubles?

              1) in CA, the cash allowance was noticeably less among ordinary soldiers ... as far as I remember about 4 rubles ...
              2) Paid after the demobilization ....
              1. 0
                3 July 2019 14: 50
                especially. People just don’t understand that a soldier in the USSR had nothing to take
                unless punish by the absence of smoking for a month, and even that is unlikely.
                1. 0
                  3 July 2019 14: 56
                  Quote: yehat
                  People just don't understand

                  read wink "ORDER OF THE MINISTER OF DEFENSE OF THE USSR OF 17.03.84 N 85 ON MATERIAL LIABILITY OF MILITARY SERVICES FOR DAMAGE CAUSED TO THE STATE (TOGETHER WITH THE
                  1. In accordance with the Regulation on the material liability of military personnel for damage to the state, approved by Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of January 13, 1984, the commander (head) of a military unit, institution, military educational institution, enterprise and organization of the Ministry of Defense according to the results of the administrative The investigation issues an order to recover from the guilty serviceman, military builder, or the corresponding sum called up for the training of a military person in compensation for damage caused to the state.
                  .......
                  12. For military personnel dismissed from active military service, military builders and graduating from military duty training, held liable and not compensating the damage caused to the state by the day of departure, within ten days the people's court at the place of their residence (work) are sent executive inscriptions of bodiesperforming notarial acts. To obtain an executive note, the commander (chief) submits to the bodies performing notarial acts a certificate in the established form <*> about the amount of debt to be collected.

                  any questions? bully
                  1. +1
                    3 July 2019 14: 58
                    there is a question. how was a drowned tank recovered?
                    I know a case when, due to sloppiness, the army was not counted as is-3.
                    but they didn’t take his price from the soldier - he sat on his lip and that’s all.
                    1. 0
                      3 July 2019 15: 04
                      Quote: yehat
                      is.

                      As you know, there are always many questions ... bully
                      Quote: yehat
                      but they didn’t take his price from the soldier - he sat on his lip and that’s all.

                      then the commander doesn’t need the bill - there’s a claim to him, but you can infuriate the Ufitil indefinitely ... read again:
                      "by administrative investigation issues an order "
                      if it’s not clear, it’s not my fault ... hi
  16. -1
    2 July 2019 17: 33
    Quote: mik193
    I have somehow forgotten how to believe "contracts".

    These are plans, but not legal dryuk, which is so fond of the local population for ass
    and plans rarely stand up to reality. Here are just for the failure of the plan under Stalin could be reprimanded with entering into the chest, but now there will be nothing.
    1. +3
      2 July 2019 17: 43
      "It's just that for failure to fulfill the plan under Stalin, they could endure a reprimand with the entry into the chest, and now nothing will happen."
      Could ..... And could not bear .....
      "All defects are the result of a systematic and gross violation of technological discipline at the Novo-Tagil Metallurgical Plant. This is evident from at least the following examples:

      1. In the open-hearth smelting shop instead of the 14 hours installed, the 15-18 hours are continued.

      2. Transportation of hot ingots from open-hearths to hire is made in unfit, dilapidated thermos. In this case, as shown by the beginning. The OGK of Taran plant, the directorate of NTMZ, does nothing to acquire new thermoses, despite the crucial importance of this business.

      3. NTMZ systematically violates the technical conditions in terms of completeness, weight and code of parts supplied to the plant N183 ".

      At the same time, investigators revealed violations of financial discipline:

      “It is characteristic that by sending a large number of defective armor plates to the N183 plant so that this plant could use at least a suitable part of the sheets by cutting out individual parts, NTMZ receives from the N183 plant the cost of these sheets in full, that is, the sum of the cost of quite suitable sheets. As a result, as has now been established, NTMZ has already received 183 rubles from plant N2 for the period November-May. "
      “It should be noted that the People's Commissariat of Ferrous Metallurgy, which is fully aware of the trouble in the manufacture of armor plates at the Novo-Tagil plant, has not yet taken real measures to eliminate the existing outrages. believes that the issue of the reasons for the marriage of armor plates “is at the stage of clarification.” Considering that the facts revealed by the investigation are very serious and shed sufficient light on this case, I report the above at your disposal. For my part, I believe that the People's Commissar of Ferrous Metallurgy Comrade Tevosyan, by the decision of the GKOK, should be instructed within two weeks to eliminate violations of technological discipline at the Novo-Tagil plant and to ensure the production of good-quality armor for T-34 tanks. violations of the technological regime in two one week, he will be removed from office and put on trial. "
      "Comrade Tevosyan's indication that the NKChM took the necessary measures to eliminate these facts cannot be considered satisfactory, if only because the Narkomchermet learned about the production of defective armor plates by the Novo-Tagil plant back in the fall of last year. , production of defective armor plates continues to this day. The reasons giving rise to defects have not been eliminated, namely: gross violations of technological discipline at the Novo-Tagil plant are still taking place, new thermos have not been purchased to replace the unusable ones, etc. "

      It would seem that after such an attempt to deceive a member of the Politburo and the GOKO Molotov, the leaders of the People's Commissariat should have been severely punished. However, Molotov confined himself to convening a meeting to consider measures to improve the quality of armor plates. And it turned out to be not the last defect of the T-34, which was fought during the production of these tanks.
      1. +1
        2 July 2019 17: 47
        there was another case - during the war in 41, aircraft complained about the lack of aircraft, and at the meeting, Stalin learned that the warriors did not take more than 1000 ready-made vehicles from factories for months. Golovanov (I think he was responsible for this) was not punished for it. Nobody can explain such softness
        1. +2
          2 July 2019 17: 50
          I am afraid there were several such cases ..... more ...... As with the same Salzman ..... Alas, this is our legacy ..... It’s not only good that happens .....
        2. 0
          2 July 2019 20: 43
          Aviation complained about the lack of aircraft - in the western district in the summer of 41 pilots did not have enough spare parts, too - two thirds of the aircraft fleet.
          1. +1
            3 July 2019 09: 11
            in ZVO, the pilots were stuck on a shipment - 2 months there were 2 regiments of elite pilots without cars.
            it is in their memoirs.
  17. +1
    3 July 2019 11: 18
    it’s very sad to hear about Lada. VNEU did not! two more of the same ones will be added to a suitcase without a handle called St. Petersburg.
  18. -1
    3 July 2019 12: 56
    This event is a landmark for our fleet: the year of a radical change. An order for a pair of modernized Ivan Gren, the number of Gorshkovs ordered was brought to 6, i.e. a full-fledged division, and now the tendency to increase the number of underwater hunters of the most advanced generation has also been revealed. And if every year this trend is confirmed, then we will succeed.
    1. -2
      3 July 2019 16: 03
      The crisis of the military-industrial complex has mainly been overcome. The outlines of the army of a new look became clear, the concept of conducting hybrid actions was formed. The main stage of R&D has been completed, and advanced samples of military equipment have been obtained, on the basis of which the new army, navy, strategic nuclear forces, and aerospace forces will be built. The concept of warfare has changed: "to win by numbers and at any cost" has been replaced by victory due to superiority in the intellectual component and operational awareness.
      At the same time, there is a delay in the implementation of GPV2020 by 4,5-5 years, with the assumption that the emphasis was on the creation of compelling means that guarantee our advantage in various areas of counteraction, which required additional time for development.
  19. +1
    3 July 2019 13: 52
    And I said that the contract for the Su-57 will be dated to the "Army")
  20. +3
    3 July 2019 14: 30
    Thanks to the author for the article.
    And especially for the perseverance and thoroughness in the comments. hi