"Flat-head 6": American motor, which left the Soviet Union and socialist camp

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When, in the mid-thirties, GAZ’s chief designer Andrei Lipgart worked on the options for modernizing the passenger car emki, GAZ М1, a licensed copy of the American Ford, he could hardly guess what tectonic scale the step would be in his work. Most of the consequences of his choice then, in the thirties, he will see during his life. But much will happen later.

"Flat-head 6": American motor, which left the Soviet Union and socialist camp

Chrysler flathead 6. Engine that played a phenomenal role in stories THE USSR. In the photo one of the models on the Plymouth 1941 of the year




This amazing story is rarely known - in our country it is known by fragments, and outside of it, it does not interest anyone at all. But she at least deserves to be told.

The advent of "Flathead."


In 1928, Chrysler engineers created, and the company launched a new generation of automotive engines. His firstborn was a four-cylinder, and after four years saw the light and row "six". The motor had a cast iron block, a lower valve arrangement, a camshaft chain drive, an oil pump, a thermostat, and in general was quite modern for those times. For the specific shape of the head (and in fact - the lid, since we have a lower motor), the motor received a nickname in the USA with which he was destined to stay forever - flathead, which translated literally "flat head", and in relation to the engine it was possible would translate as "flat-headed" [engine]. The four-cylinder version was called flathead-4, and the six-cylinder - flathead-6.

This engine in the USA was destined to have a glorious fate - if the 4-cylinder version stood in production, then the six-cylinder only was put on cars serially until the end of the 60-ies, and on various special equipment and industrial equipment - for another ten years. To this day, spare parts are being sold to it, and enthusiasts are building “around it” various hot rods and the like. We, however, are interested in a completely different “branch” of the evolution of this motor.

Assessing the prospects for replacing or upgrading the engine, A. Lipgart understood that you couldn’t squeeze much out of the old motor of the “emka” - those 10 hp, which eventually could be obtained by raising power from 40 to 50, forces already looked like a miracle after all, they were received on the then low-tech industrial equipment and without loss of reliability. But this was not enough.


Andrei Aleksandrovich Lipgart


There was actually only one way out - to buy a motor abroad and produce it in the USSR. In those years, such copying was not considered something shameful - it was obvious to the citizens of the USSR that their country was technically far behind other developed countries.

Lipgart was no exception, and followed the path traditional for the USSR in the thirties. Find a suitable engine, buy a license, adapt it to the harsh Soviet realities and produce, simultaneously learning from foreigners advanced technologies. Where to take a sample, too, the question did not arise - then in the USSR, the mainstream was cooperation with the United States, and they pushed away from this, especially the Americans, who had just bade farewell to the “Great Depression”, willingly sold everything.

Analyzing the design of automobile engines, Lipgart and his subordinates turned their attention to the Dodge D5 car. The engine that was installed on it attracted their attention with a combination of novelty and power on the one hand, simplicity and reliability on the other. This was the Chrysler-Flathead-6.

Today in Russia, this engine is mistakenly called the “Dodge D5”, but this is a mistake, this is the name of the car on which Soviet engineers first “spied” this engine. He himself was never called that.

In 1937, Lipgart with a group of engineers is sent to the USA. There, our specialists studied the engine, Lipgart himself was deeply involved in the technological processes used for its production, and he himself directed the purchase of the necessary equipment for production.

At the end of the 1938, the first domestic engines were already manufactured at GAZ.

I must say that the motor is deeply processed. Thus, the timing chain drive was replaced by a gear, the dimensions are not only converted into millimeters, but also reduced to standard size ranges.

For example, the diameter of the Chrysler cylinder was 88,25 mm (3 inch), our motor had a 88 mm exactly. And so almost everything.

The main direction of making changes in the design of the engine was its adaptation to Soviet fuel, lubricants and more than a low quality of maintenance. And it turned out "one hundred percent."

But they didn’t quite guess the quality - at first it was unsatisfactory, due to the low level of the industrial base at GAZ in particular, and in the USSR in general. Both the 1938, and 1939, and part of the 1940, plant struggled for quality, bringing the new design to readiness for mass production. And by the middle of the fortieth everything turned out again - the engine finally worked as it should. You could start.

In 1940, 128 engines were produced. The 1941 plan involved thousands of engines, with the prospect of further growth.

The serial engine was named GAZ-11. There were two modifications of it - with a cast iron head unit, 5,6 compression ratio and hp 76 power. at 3400 rpm, and with aluminum cylinder head, 6,5 compression ratio and horsepower 85 at 3600 rpm

The first serial car that received it was “Emka”. A longer six-cylinder engine easily got under its hood, it took only a slightly "convex" grille to the engine compartment enough length. Avtombil received the name GAZ 11-73. Before the war, managed to produce several hundred of these machines.


GAS M1 with standard motor



GAS 11-73 with a six-cylinder GAZ-11 and an elongated hood.


But this is a serial car. In general, a promising engine for which just did not "match up". And on the new army trucks, all-terrain vehicles GAZ 33, 62 and 63 (not to be confused with post-war models), on armored vehicles LB-NATI and DB-62, which were supposed to be the first Soviet all-wheel drive wheeled vehicles, on a GAZ 415 gas pickup truck, there were aviation and ship options ...




At the top GAZ-63 (pre-war), below GAZ-33. Because of the war, the army did not see domestic-wheel drive trucks


There were many plans. But 22 June 1941, they all dramatically lost relevance.

The engine that saved the USSR


The Great Patriotic War is strongly associated in the mass consciousness with tanksand the latter with the T-34 of various modifications.

But let us remember that they did not fight alone. In the very first weeks of the war, it became clear that the medium and heavy tanks of the Red Army alone would not be enough, and the then regulations and doctrines directly provided for the use of light tanks in most situations. At the same time, the perfect and high-tech lightweight T-50 industry was not able to produce. Under these conditions, the salutary decision was made by an outstanding engineer, the creator of a number of light armored vehicles Nikolai Alexandrovich Astrov. He designed a simple light tank T-60, which could quickly go into a series on GAZ, and which was equipped with ... an engine GAZ-11. Rather, his version of the GAZ-202, which differed only in electrical equipment. Otherwise it was the same motor.


T-60


Astrov himself had previously designed a light amphibian tank T-40, which was also equipped with GAZ-202! But the T-40 fought at least the entire first year of the war, participated in the battle for Moscow. Often these were the only tanks that infantry could rely on. They may have been machine guns, but it’s better this way than it does, besides, the T-40, covered by its infantry and acting against the enemy, who here and now did not have anti-tank artillery, turned into “infinite size” - like any other tank . And such cases were.

The T-60 was already armed with an automatic cannon, and these guns could inflict huge losses on the German infantry. Light tanks made it possible to accelerate the formation of tank units and forge the necessary personnel for the war ... but where would they come from if there was no suitable engine? On the Astrov tanks there was an option with a capacity of 76 hp, with a cast iron cylinder head, which did not require a lot of light alloys for its production. Given the fact that the USSR lost its aluminum at 70% (GOKs remained in the territory occupied by the Germans), and it was still necessary to live up to mass shipments of American Lend-Lease, this was a vital moment.

Saving.

In total, X-NUMX T-960 and 40 T-5920 tanks were produced in the USSR. All of them were equipped with engines GAZ-60, the very "flat-headed". So May 202 is worth commemorating both Lipgart and Chrysler with a kind word. It is not known how things would go if it were not for them ...

However, it was not even the beginning ...

T-60 on the conveyor stand for long. After a month after the counteroffensive near Moscow, Astrov “pushed” the production of a more powerful model, the T-70. Thicker armor gave a greater chance of surviving even light tank tankers, and an 45-mm gun gave chances to hit a German tank in battle, even if they were small and reduced each year. These improvements in the light tank required a new, more powerful engine.


T-70


A new powerful engine was obtained by splicing two GAZ-202 into a block of two GAZ-203 engines. The engines were slightly deformed to increase reliability, and in total the unit gave 140 hp, "two in seventy." T-70 became the second largest Soviet tank. They were built by 8231 machine. And again, it is worth recalling the Chrysler and Lipgart.

This was already the beginning, without a doubt. But only the beginning.

The power unit GAZ-203 became the “heart” for the car, whose contribution to the Victory cannot be overestimated. We are talking about ACS Su-76M. In a sense, this legendary SAU became the main means of fire support for the advancing Soviet infantry, and made a significant contribution to the anti-tank defense. That's what would have happened if it were not, I do not even want to submit. During the war years was released 14292 SAU.


Sioux 76M


Let us evaluate the contribution of tracked combat vehicles with the "former American" "heart".

T-40, T-60 and T-70 tanks, SAU Su-76M is the sum of 29403 tanks and SAU. By adding here the 70 units of the T-80 light tanks (which was the same in those years), we finally get the 29473 of the tank and the ACS. Approximately one third of all produced. But Lipgart could choose a motor that would not fit an armored vehicle. And what would have happened then?

Against this background, 238 all-wheel drive all-terrain vehicles GAZ 61 of all modifications no longer look, although again, you can dream up on the topic of Zhukov stuck in a weak car at the wrong time ... But he had a 85 hp under the hood, in its all-terrain modification of the emki. Not stuck.




All-terrain vehicles of the GAZ 61 family


It is difficult to judge what would happen if our country didn’t have this motor. Apparently, nothing good.

But war was only an episode in the life of this engine.

And now it all started!


After the war, the USSR was in a difficult situation - the country lay in ruins, famine was raging, and the military threat from the United States and the West was growing. And in such conditions it was necessary to deal with the restoration of the destroyed, and development. In the automotive industry, everything was even tougher - it was necessary to make a breakthrough in the conditions when several military years and no future work was done, and the staff simply died in the war.

Under these conditions, GAZ received a strong handicap - it had an engine that could immediately be used on any promising technology.






From top to bottom: GAZ-51, GAZ-63 and GAZ-63П


Immediately after the war, the “flathead” was successively registered on the GAZ-51 truck, getting the same name as the car - GAZ-51, on its all-wheel-drive army version of the GAZ-63 and the national-economy version of the GAZ-63П. The copied cockpit (without feathers) from the Studebaker and the Chrysler engine made it possible for GAZ to save time. And a lot. True, the engine GAZ-51 was already a significantly different engine - but basically remained the same. Power only dropped slightly, to 75 hp

Curiously, GAZ developed a variant of such an engine with a prechamber ignition. A slightly more powerful, but capricious motor was produced until the end of the 70's.

Moreover, the former American “six” gave birth to another “branch of evolution” of a glorious engine.

GAZ M20 "victory" was the first Soviet post-war passenger car, and, from the point of view of design, also the most original. And the products of MZMA (the future AZLK) and in general the domestic auto industry sinned by “copying”, and often illegal. GAZ made an innovative machine that was not a copy of anything. It was a big success.

But what was the engine there? And the engine there worked "trimmed" for a couple of cylinders modification GAZ-11. Smaller working volume and reduced to 50 hp power. It was just such a motor that the ruined country needed, and she got it. A little later, he will rise on the next generation of passenger army off-road vehicles - GAZ-69. And this will also be just the beginning.




GAZ-69 and GAS M20 "Victory" equipped with 4-cylinder engine options


GAZ-12, popularly known as ZIM, turned out to be the next passenger car on which the “flat-headed” Soviet “registered”. This non-Soviet luxury car costing fantastic 45000 rubles became the most powerful Soviet passenger car, theoretically able to become the property of an ordinary citizen. Well, or uncommon. For this car, GAZ “returned” an aluminum cylinder head from oblivion, and through some simple modifications, it increased the power to 90 hp. - a very good result for those times. ZIM soon ceased to be produced, the sale of limousines to Soviet citizens ceased, and this car for a long time became the maximum possible for a person not alien to a “beautiful” life.


GAZ-12


True, practical, but often devoid of aesthetic sense, Soviet citizens often drove potatoes and the like to ZIMs, completely killing a luxury car and turning it into a working nag. And, of course, the motor allowed to do it without difficulty.

But this was not the end of the story, several new evolutionary breakthroughs were brewing in the life of the engine.

GAZ was preparing to produce a new truck, more advanced than GAZ-51. And the base engine for it has already chosen the row "six". This truck was GAZ 52, the last modification of which was to survive the USSR. And those who found this car will easily recognize and the motor used on it.


Shipment of finished GAZ-52


The GAZ 52 engine, greatly upgraded compared to the original GAZ-11, and somewhat improved in comparison with the GAZ-51, became a real long-liver. It was produced in the nomenclature of spare parts until the end of the nineties. It was placed on the loaders of the Lviv factory and to this day, not new Lviv loaders used in Russia are equipped mainly with this engine ...


And here he, too, yes.


And what about defenses? Glorious traditions of defending the homeland on the motors that were invented in America? Here, too, everything was in order, and the point is not only in military vehicles of the GAZ-63 family.

Modifications of the Soviet “flat-head” were consistently used on the BTR-40, BTR-60, and BRDM, and on the now forgotten but once very important and sought-after ASU-57 self-propelled self-propelled gun from the Pobeda and GAZ- 69. These engines "dust" on the dusty roads of Sinai and Galeley in the Arab-Israeli wars, carried supplies and soldiers along the Vietnamese "Ho Chi Minh Trail" during the war with America, it was on these engines that a significant portion of the "limited contingent" drove into Afghanistan. Cubans and Nicaraguans fought and fought on them.








ASU-57, BRDM, BTR-40 and BTR-60P


But that was not all.

From this engine grew the engine-building industry of China, Romania and North Korea. A variant of the M20 engine was produced in Romania at ARC plants. The Chinese developed their industry with only two types of cars - a copy of the Soviet GAZ 51 and a copy of the Soviet ZIS-150. The first of them carried a Chrysler offspring under the hood. These motors were produced and modified for many years, regardless of the prototype.

In the DPRK and 4- and 6-cylinder descendants of the gas version of the "Chrysler" is still produced and a decade ago was the base model of the local car industry.


North Korean "Synry" 61NA. Still in the ranks. And the motor - it is clear whose. Photo 1997 of the year.


And of course, we cannot ignore Poland. Having the opportunity to produce "Victory" under their name "Warsaw", the Poles copied the engine. But later, they reworked it into ... overhead! The new head of the block allowed to increase the power and instead of 50 hp at 3600 rev / min S-21 issued 70 with 4000. Quite what is called, is another matter.


Warsaw 223



And motor S-21


"Warsaw" stopped producing in 1973 year, but the engines continued to be installed on familiar to all who remember the USSR cars "Beetle" and "Nysa".

Today, it’s already difficult to meet a car with a descendant of a “flat-headed” under the hood on the road - both Victory and GAZ-69, and GAZ-51, 52, 63 are more likely museum relics than “working” machines. But in some places they still travel and work even in Russia.


Almost indistinguishable from the GAZ-52. But this is an American motor.


And in the DPRK, the descendants of this engine are most likely still being produced, because in their army there are so many cars from the “Synri”, at least as spare parts, these engines still have to be supplied.

And this historical role of the engine invented at the end of the twenties cannot but cause admiration.
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  1. +32
    29 June 2019 18: 14
    Yes, even though the engine is "American" by birth, it has become a real "Russian". Thanks to Chrysler and our engineers and workers of the GAZ plant
    1. -4
      29 June 2019 19: 03
      Quote: svp67
      Thanks to Chrysler and our engineers and workers of the GAZ plant

      By the way, the owner of Gazelle Next, Chrysler is now releasing such shit. But Gazovtsy, the owners of Gazelles have a penny.
      1. +21
        29 June 2019 19: 57
        History, an amazing thing, sometimes you wonder how, thanks to one or two, as they say now "confused" people, the "tectonic layers" of this very History move. and we, laughing at the "Xerox" of China ... so bitterly, our "hangover" will be - the guys really study, fill their hand, and soon they will fill it and ... everything else ... is similar to everyone. we were also a "copier", and this helped us out in the Second World War, and after it.
        1. +17
          29 June 2019 21: 18
          Yes, we were then quite a "Chinese". And the Chinese have long been not only copying.
          1. 0
            29 June 2019 21: 59
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Yes, we were then quite a "Chinese". And the Chinese have long been not only copying.

            There is a huge difference between copying the Chinese and ours. We copied, striving to acquire the latest models and technologies with the goal, ultimately, to build the notorious "material base of socialism" and this very socialism in a given country, relying on our own forces. The Chinese, however, quite deliberately decided to integrate into the capitalist system as a world factory, exploiting the cheap labor of their workers.
            1. +16
              29 June 2019 22: 05
              exploiting the cheap labor of their workers.


              This is no longer quite true. In places, yes, but not everywhere.
              1. -1
                29 June 2019 23: 14
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                This is not quite true for a long time.

                I’m talking about what they put on when it was just beginning.
              2. +1
                30 June 2019 17: 22
                Just that. And that is the whole point. Cheap not only by payment, but also by social guarantees. No one says that he is low-tech or low-skilled. Although a huge amount and such. Look at the interest in Africa West and China too. Ahead is the development of new markets of cheap power and transfer of production.
                1. +2
                  30 June 2019 19: 52
                  Ahead of the development of new markets for cheap power and transfer of production.


                  This has been going on for a long time, the same China is developing Vietnam, for example.
                  1. 0
                    1 July 2019 15: 31
                    Of course it is, but there are no such serious steps as the industrialization of China, the transfer of production. I think you can leave the Asian region behind China, but Africa has more competitors. By the way - in the Asian region, not a single country that even has long manufactured equipment such as Malaysia, Taiwan (if it can be called separate) has not become an industrial power and has not captured a significant part of the market. Perhaps the same China does not need it.
                2. 0
                  1 July 2019 10: 41
                  “Not so” in the sense that it is possible to mercilessly exploit the proletarian in the first generation, if the industry grows stronger, a labor movement arises, forcing it to be reckoned with. Plus, focusing only on the external market is an absolute dependence, which makes the position of the ruling elite of the CCP extremely uncomfortable (especially in light of the outbreak of trade wars), and reorientation to the internal market is impossible without stimulating demand using purely Keynesian methods. Therefore, labor in China still greatly increased in price.
                  "So" in the sense that the situation with social guarantees in China is still completely wild, even in comparison with the remnants of the Soviet ones in our country.
            2. -1
              1 July 2019 07: 57
              This is a delusion that exists in our country. China did not abandon the idea of ​​communism, and now they are in the stage of formation - they are in the process of transition to socialism, the first and lowest phase of communism. All this is written in the PDA program. A fresh edition (there were clarifications last fall), in Russian, can be found on Chinese information resources ... So what about integration into the capitalist system ... well, that's a stretch. Now they are solving the problem of bringing "production relations and superstructure in line with the requirements of the development of productive forces."
              1. 0
                1 July 2019 10: 48
                I can’t say anything about the construction of communism in China now, but the fact that in the late 70s he made a deal with the United States (which can be regarded as one of the largest strategic defeats of the social camp in the Cold War) is a historical fact. And the triumph of neoliberalism in the countries of the world-system core would hardly have been possible without reliance on Chinese production potential.
            3. 0
              2 July 2019 23: 43
              You are a little behind life-wages in China have long overtaken ours in India too.
          2. +13
            30 June 2019 00: 23
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Yes, we were then quite a "Chinese".

            But the production of this motor could have vanished. In 1939, for the production of six-cylinder
            motor at the Gorky Automobile Plant was
            organized workshop number 1, equipped with new-
            shimmy machines brought from the USA. In con-
            tse 1940, after the release of a small batch
            products, engine shop No. 1 was transferred
            People's Commissariat of the aviation industry. AT
            the building housed factory number 466 for manufacturing
            Niyu aviation engines M-105. Almost all
            equipment and all personnel of the motor
            Workshop No. 1, with the exception of management,
            were transferred to this plant. Unique stan-
            ki that could not be adapted for
            production of aircraft engines, sent to
            spare parts warehouse for conservation. Essentially
            the huge work done by car makers on
            creating a promising six-
            cylinder engine turned out to be minimized.
            A group of enthusiasts led by a boss
            Motor Shop No. 1 G.A. Vedenyapin to gain the necessary number of machines for
            preservation of the technological chain according to
            engine start, went to extreme measures. Motor-
            booths - probably with the tacit support of
            rector and chief designer - exported
            part of the machines from the workshop given to factory No. 466.
            Aviation personnel, in turn, raised the issue
            theft of property, and authorities intervened
            NKVD. The situation was extremely dangerous.
            Support for automobile manufacturers was provided by the military. To-
            GABTU mandate of the Red Army in the category
            formally stated the need for conservation
            six-cylinder engine production
            televisions on the auto giant. These motors were supplied
            plant number 37 (Moscow), which produced
            tanks. After the appeal of military motorists
            transferred to the premises of the spare parts workshop. Only
            before the war, the engine shop, releasing
            shih six-cylinder engines, earned on
            full power. A feat accomplished by a group
            enthusiasts on the eve of the conservation war
            production of motors allowed auto manufacturers to adjust
            to push the release of military equipment [2, p. 85–86]. UDC 338.245 (47) (091)
            FEATURES OF FORMATION OF THE AIRCRAFT BUILDING COMPLEX
            GORKOVSK REGION IN THE FIRST PERIOD OF THE GREAT DOMESTIC
            WARS (June 1941 - November 1942)
             2015
            E.I. Podrepny, I.A. Kalmykov
            Nizhny Novgorod State University N.I. Lobachevsky, N. Novgorod
            1. +5
              30 June 2019 08: 02
              Thank you, I did not know about it. Live and learn.
        2. +7
          29 June 2019 22: 24
          Quote: Aerodrome
          and we, laughing at the "Xerox" of China ... the worse, our "hangover" will be - the guys really study, fill their hand, and soon they will fill it and ... everything else ... is similar to everyone. we were also a "copier", and this helped us out in the Second World War, and after it.

          We do not chuckle, we mock!
          Thanks for the interesting topic and article. A plus
          There was actually only one way out - to buy a motor abroad and produce it in the USSR. In those years, such copying was not considered something shameful - it was obvious to the citizens of the USSR that their country was technically far behind other developed countries ..

          And how are those years different from ours? After the devastation and plunder of the country in the 90s!
          And it's not about motors anymore. The point is in entire industries, it would be foolish to list.
          Our leadership must admit that the lag in some areas amounts to dozens of years, and there is no gap.
          We have a complete zero in shock UAVs, I do not take announcements and advertisements into account, one indicator, the presence of troops.
          Problems can be enumerated for a long time. I do not consider copying in certain areas shameful, infringing upon the "national pride" of our engineers and designers.
          The main result and saving budgetary funds and time! hi
    2. +14
      29 June 2019 19: 47
      This is yes. GAZ has very well mastered this engine, with frankly non-Soviet quality. And it turned out to be in many ways salutary for the country.
    3. -2
      30 June 2019 07: 08
      The topic of buying documentation for the NKVD motor from an Amer engineer, one of the developers of the motor, was not disclosed.
      The engine itself was not suitable for light tanks, it was necessary to set two off without reference, i.e. the choice was extremely unsuccessful, because the engine was suitable only for a citizen.
      1. +2
        30 June 2019 08: 02
        On the motor bought a license as far as I know.
        1. -1
          30 June 2019 09: 57
          Nope. The NKVD agent (s) bought the stolen documentation from one of the developers offended by the Chrysler firm.
          And another major drawback of the motor for armored vehicles is not a full-bearing crankshaft.
          1. +3
            30 June 2019 10: 02
            Honestly, not in the know about the offended developer, if you have something to read, share.

            Not full support crankshaft is not such a problem in the end it turned out. Americans make the course-birth on such motors, with drive superchargers. And do not break the crankshaft.

            We also did not break on the armored personnel carriers, and the dynamics of the machines more or less was enough.

            As for "not suitable for tanks", well, there is a limit to everything. On the T-60, he quite came up alone. And the fact that a unit of 140 hp was made of two such engines is also a plus for the engine.

            Up to 3800, a modified motor of this type can easily be turned, and the filling in the cylinder can be raised within reasonable limits without compromising reliability.
            It would be why.
            1. 0
              30 June 2019 10: 12
              The network has a NKVD dock on this subject.
              I won’t say anything about hot births, but on the SU-76M, my knees broke. During the war it was not very critical, because the devices were quickly knocked out, but even then it was a bit annoying for the military.
              Duc T-60 - this is not a tank, but it is not clear that, in fact, a tankette. And for the T-70 (which is still a tomb), it was necessary to produce twice as many engines as the tanks produced (and the engines limited the production of tanks). But let's say ICE ZIS-5 required only one (in the forced, though version ZIS-16).
              In general, the stolen ersatz motor (relative to the BTT).
              1. +3
                30 June 2019 10: 32
                But let's say DVS ZIS-5 required only one (in the forced, true version of ZIS-16).


                Is that which xnumx hp? It will be small.

                And for the T-70 (which is also another one), we had to produce twice as many engines as tanks produced (and the engines limited the production of tanks).


                Do you know about the five-engined Shermans? laughing
                Times do not choose.

                In general, the stolen ersatz motor (relative to the BTT).


                And thank God that he was. Just imagine that they would take an engine that wouldn’t be suitable for BTT at all.
                1. 0
                  30 June 2019 16: 09
                  No, 95 h.p. had ZIS-120. And the ZIS-16 had 85/86 hp. However, the T-45 superserver tank lacked it. But if before the war they had built a workshop for the production of ZIS-120 (instead of the weak GAZ-11), then the T-45 could be made triple and motors would be half as much.

                  You do not compare the USA with the USSR — absolutely different weight categories, the first could have stuck 10 motors and they would have been on a drum for the resources spent.

                  Well, stealing something worse was very difficult, in the sense that they simply would not have bought the documentation.
    4. +3
      30 June 2019 15: 07
      The idea of ​​"Chrysler" and the prototype, but otherwise both the thought and the design solution, and the production base is our USSR
      and more than poor quality of maintenance. And it turned out "one hundred percent
      So it turned out that no smartest Germans could do, and they won the war thanks to such craftsmen as Lipgart, I bow my head in front of them.
      1. 0
        30 June 2019 16: 14
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The idea of ​​"Chrysler" and the prototype, but otherwise both the thought and the design solution, and the production base is our USSR
        and more than poor quality of maintenance. And it turned out "one hundred percent
        So it turned out that no smartest Germans could do, and they won the war thanks to such craftsmen as Lipgart, I bow my head in front of them.

        Are you kidding me? Amersky project, detailed drawings of them, the equipment is basically from there. Lipgart translated the drawings into the metric system and did something else. Well, in principle, - craftsman, - you will not say anything.
  2. +17
    29 June 2019 18: 42
    thanks to the author, an interesting article, did not know the details
    1. +6
      29 June 2019 21: 18
      Please glad you liked it.
      1. +11
        29 June 2019 21: 59
        Quote: SASHA OLD
        thanks to the author, an interesting article, did not know the details

        I’ll join you too ...
        Wow, my favorite motor! After the collapse of the union, I bought a GAZ-500 for 52 bucks with a non-working in-line 6 and a new unit in addition, this is the very first engine I went over in 20 years, besides without strangers, I completely disassembled the advisers and assistants and reassembled it and it was the only one of the subsequent who wound up after repair with half a turn! Since then, the fear of complex mechanisms has completely disappeared, this is my first school and the best lesson. What a he is all the same simple and ingenious at the same time, convenient, reliable! By the way, a car with a working engine is now standing in the yard, I hardly use the truth, but I also do not sell it, nostalgia. But I don’t know the history of the engine, many thanks to the author for the historical digression and to the Americans for the excellent engine!
        1. +4
          29 June 2019 22: 07
          Please glad you liked it.
          1. 0
            29 June 2019 23: 41
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Please glad you liked it.

            Alexander! hi You in your article did not mention ZIL 157. Why? EMNIP on it stood in-line 6-cylinder, lower-valve 110l.s. .
            1. +3
              29 June 2019 23: 50
              It was not this motor, another.
  3. +6
    29 June 2019 19: 16
    I know this engine is not by hearsay. For that time was good, the problem was to regulate the valve. Heavy accessibility to them, and almost three wrenches in the hands of the need to hold.
    On the 60 BTR, PU had to overcome many kilometers.
    Who does not know, there 2 engine from GAZ 52 stood, according to 90 hp .
    1. +6
      29 June 2019 19: 43
      In fairness for the engines there GAZ-40P, about the same as GAZ-52, but with a different camshaft and ignition, with a different carburetor and another limit on the maximum speed.
      Therefore, it turned out 90 hp
      And the standard GAZ-52 was 75.
      1. +2
        30 June 2019 09: 55
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        In fairness for the engines there GAZ-40P, about the same as GAZ-52, but with a different camshaft and ignition, with a different carburetor and another limit on the maximum speed.

        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Hard access to them, and almost three wrenches in their hands should be kept.

        But the accessibility to adjust the valves has not improved, especially since the hood sides, as you can’t unscrew on the GAZ 51 laughing
  4. +4
    29 June 2019 19: 18
    The 52 Gas works for me 11 for years, 1982 of the year, bought repaired and plows for the housework, the engine is simple and reliable, low-speed, lower valve, will last for many years. good
    1. 0
      29 June 2019 19: 25
      Quote: Pessimist22
      The 52 Gas works for me 11 for years, 1982 of the year, bought repaired and plows for the housework, the engine is simple and reliable, low-speed, lower valve, will last for many years.

      Seriously?
      There and box, from whom? Brake system, hydraulic, but you will find figs and the main and workers as well as oil seals to them.
      On Merenovsky Unimag 63, for grandmothers everything is. By the way, they still produce.
      1. +2
        29 June 2019 21: 09
        To this day, spare parts are being sold to it, and enthusiasts are building “around it” various hot rods and the like.

        Purely theoretically, you can try to use North American spare parts (it needs to be refined as they are inch-sized) or, .. North Korean - if this country becomes more open over the years and you can buy it online with shipping, there is still an option to find parts from the Chinese - for example from their showdowns, army storage. The world is changing rapidly and unpredictably - 40 years ago and it never occurred to me to look for s / h in Chinese analysis.
      2. 0
        30 June 2019 00: 49
        Quote: marshes
        Quote: Pessimist22
        The 52 Gas works for me 11 for years, 1982 of the year, bought repaired and plows for the housework, the engine is simple and reliable, low-speed, lower valve, will last for many years.

        Seriously?
        There and box, from whom? Brake system, hydraulic, but you will find figs and the main and workers as well as oil seals to them.
        On Merenovsky Unimag 63, for grandmothers everything is. By the way, they still produce.

        RTI is now no problem! There are sizes, there will be RTI!
    2. +3
      29 June 2019 19: 45
      By the way, you can feed him, and without losing the resource. Although the "knee" is not full support.
      Well, this is if suddenly the power is not enough.
  5. +1
    29 June 2019 19: 40
    Not exactly a flathead, but his closest descendant was standing on Jeep cars already in 2000 years. Parts are still manufactured. If desired, you can write out of the states a completely new motor. I think it is easier than from North Korea :) Another author did not mention that the 6 cylinder engines of classic Jaguars come from the same root.
    1. +5
      29 June 2019 21: 20
      There are inch sizes, we have metric, almost nothing will do, although the difference is often less than a millimeter.
      1. +3
        29 June 2019 23: 48
        A file and a sledgehammer are our everything :)))
  6. +2
    29 June 2019 19: 41
    Thank you, detailed historical article. good
    1. +4
      29 June 2019 21: 20
      You are welcome. Motor interesting in part of the story. I decided to write.
      1. +4
        30 June 2019 00: 43
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        You are welcome. Motor interesting in part of the story. I decided to write.

        The same interesting ZiS-5 engine. The saga comes from the first reconstruction of the AMO-ZIL plant:
        The grandfather of the ZIL 157 engine was the American Hercules-WXB engine, tentatively 1928, which had all the same 6 cylinders but a different geometry and, accordingly, a working volume of 4.9 liters.
        Power "Hercules" was equal to 66 hp. and the torque was 245 Nm. Russified Hercules thanks to the Soviet designer E.V. Vazhinsky, under whose leadership the working volume was increased, a new oil filter and a diaphragm gas pump were applied.

        It is also worth mentioning that the WXB's Hercules sibling called Hercules-YXC-B (6 cylinders, 7 liters, 94 hp and 380 nm) was put even earlier, from 1929 to 1934, on Soviet I-5 trucks, the production of which was curtailed just in connection with the decision to refuse to import power units in the USSR ... https://www.drive2.ru/b/1607099/
        1. +3
          30 June 2019 08: 04
          There it was not about copying, but rather about developing a new design with an eye on the existing sample. Neither the ZiS-5 motor nor its followers were copies of American motors.
          1. +2
            30 June 2019 10: 06
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Neither the ZiS-5 motor nor its followers were copies of American engines.

            This engine is no less important for the country. Its release began in 1933 at ZIS 5 and continued with modernization until the collapse of the Union (ZIL-MMZ-45021). That is, a longer time was produced than GAZonovsky.
            So we are waiting for an article about the engine of the ZIS-ZIL six.
            1. +2
              30 June 2019 10: 08
              Well, I do not know about Zis-Zil like everyone knows everything. We'll see.
          2. 0
            30 June 2019 13: 44
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Neither the ZiS-5 motor nor its followers were copies of American engines.

            On cars AMO-2 and AMO-3 were licensed Hercules with a capacity of 60 h.p. but this power was not enough and then the engine cylinders were squandered and the engine power increased.

            Khanin: ZiS-5 and AMO-3 cars
          3. 0
            30 June 2019 16: 28
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            There it was not about copying, but rather about developing a new design with an eye on the existing sample. Neither the ZiS-5 motor nor its followers were copies of American motors.

            Some kind of new design, if the ZIS-5 had, one to one, the dimension of the Hercules WXC 4 "x4,5". Fairy tales are all about the mythical Soviet boring. It's just that the ZIS-5 was deformed for Soviet petrol / summer kerosene and therefore had a power of 73,6 hp instead of 94 hp. When, after the war, it got better with benz, the ZIS-120 with 95 hp appeared, that is, the original Hercules WXC.
  7. +5
    29 June 2019 19: 41
    ... this historical role of the engine invented at the end of the twenties cannot but cause admiration.

    Yes, almost 100 years of engine life is admirable, namely long life. To be honest, the engine itself did not cause much admiration for the operators, especially in the army, after the "naughty" pens of our soldiers. He did not like high revs and loads in general. Accidental wear of liners (so-called knocking), cracked valve seats are common. But it was simple, repaired with a bang. This, probably, and took. There were no others, so there were almost no bad words addressed to him, so it takes its rightful place in history.
    By the way, for us, probably, Americanism "flat-headed" as applied to the engine does not sound the best way. We have a different concept of this word.
    1. +3
      29 June 2019 21: 22
      He can pick up liners with a groove, I don't remember from which of our engines, too, but with them the liners went for a long time, and the motor could be "turned".
      1. +1
        30 June 2019 08: 19
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        He can pick up liners with a groove, I don't remember from which of our engines, too, but with them the liners went for a long time, and the motor could be "turned".

        EMNIP from the GAZ-12 ZiM engine. This is the same GAZ-51, but had a block change in the rear part for the installation of the fluid coupling. The engine was generally structurally similar to the GAZ-11, which was used on the GAZ-51, but was slightly modified to increase power. Motor power was increased by expanding the intake channels, using a dual carburetor and increasing the compression ratio to 6,7: 1, which ensured stable engine operation on standard gasoline with an octane rating of 70. A new gearbox was developed for ZiM for the first time in history a factory that had synchronizers (in II and III gears) and switching with a lever located on the steering column - such was the then American fashion
        The original constructive solution used on the GAZ-M-12 and which has no analogues in the domestic passenger car industry was a fluid coupling - a transmission unit located between the engine and the clutch, which was a crankcase filled with special oil, in which rotated unrelated to each other mechanically two rotors in the shape of a half toroid, separated by blades into 48 compartments (a pump rotor, which played the role of a flywheel) and 44 compartments (a turbine rotor, a lightweight flywheel and a conventional friction clutch were attached to it). There was a small gap between the inner ends of the rotors. During operation, the engine turned the pump wheel, which created a fluid movement in the crankcase, which caused the turbine wheel to rotate, while their mutual slippage was allowed
        https://www.drive2.ru/b/3191787/
  8. +1
    29 June 2019 20: 02
    An acquaintance owned a ZIM-12, a sailor himself from trading, in the car, for a second, there was a parquet floor, in 1981 he changed it to a "Lada" and was very pleased, I wonder if now he would be glad of this exchange, a couple of years ago "ZIM" "in the city, but it was too tune-up, some unsympathetic
    1. +3
      29 June 2019 21: 22
      ZIM in the original is now very expensive.
      1. +2
        29 June 2019 23: 09
        Who then, in the Soviet Union, thought about it. My father put a box of 21 into the 24st "Volga", I already tried this tape recorder, along with the seats from a foreign car
    2. -1
      29 June 2019 21: 47
      Quote: Sofievka
      An acquaintance owned a ZIM-12, a sailor himself from trading, in the car, for a second, there was a parquet floor, in 1981 he changed it to a "Lada" and was very pleased, I wonder if now he would be glad of this exchange, a couple of years ago "ZIM" "in the city, but it was too tune-up, some unsympathetic

      If you change to a modern fret, it would definitely be, because the current fret is the essence of the French-Korean car. But ZIM is still good! I remember about 10 years ago such a beast often flickered in the city. It looked awesome, dark green, licked so that you could look into it ...
      1. +2
        29 June 2019 22: 30
        If you change for a modern tune, it would definitely be


        Yeah, especially given the fact that ZIM in the original is like a new BMW three, I would be very happy.)))
        1. 0
          29 June 2019 23: 55
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          Yeah, especially given the fact that ZIM in the original is like a new BMW three, I would be very happy.)))

          "Now" he would have sold this ZIM for the appropriate price and bought a behu))) If ZIM were in good condition, of course))))
      2. +4
        29 June 2019 23: 04
        As a boy, I remember "ZIM" in the variants of a taxi and an ambulance, it is a pity that even the "humpbacks" are not visible
  9. +3
    29 June 2019 20: 27
    Interesting article. Though I knew it was interesting to read. The motor was of course very necessary in the 40-50 years, but to release it before the 21 century is a bust.
    1. -5
      29 June 2019 20: 58
      Interesting article. Though I knew it was interesting to read. The motor was of course very necessary in the 40-50 years, but to release it before the 21 century is a bust.

      Yes, because the research and development of auto motor in the USSR was made only for the tank B-2, and it is now put in all our tanks. And the rest of the engines decided to copy (not military). It was not clear what they hoped for - no R & D was carried out, and with stupid copying, you will always be in the role of a catch-up.
      And this tendency lasts to this day, at best, stupidly copying the engines.
      1. +8
        29 June 2019 21: 27
        Wrong.
        YMZ-236,238, 240, the entire 536-series - the original and quite successful designs for his age, 238-th began as an aspirated HP 240, and now it has 420 and Euro-5.

        The same applies to the YaMZ-740 / KAMAZ-740 line. We started with the 210 hp atmospheric engine, now it has 400-420, Euro-5 and the resource is twice as high, and the fuel consumption is almost the same.

        ZMZ-53 for the Lawn is also original, now you can see the injector version under GAS in Pasikakh.

        ZMZ-402 is also quite original, the plant has not revealed its full potential, but Ulyanovsk is still sculpted by its "granddaughter" UMZ-4216 and a good engine.
        And "Evotek" was invented on its basis.

        In short - you are wrong.
        1. 0
          30 June 2019 01: 05
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          ZMZ-402 is also quite original, the plant has not revealed its full potential, but Ulyanovsk is still sculpted by its "granddaughter" UMZ-4216 and a good engine.

          Let's start with the fact that the ZMZ-402 is a modification of the ZMZ-24. If even deeper, then this is the GAZ-21. At the expense of UMP-4216, I would not be so moved. Compared to the ZMZ-405,406,409, nothing at all! For reference, I used all these engines! 409 and 4216 so far!
          1. +1
            30 June 2019 08: 06
            Well, in any case, these are original designs, that up to 4216, he did not get rid of the existing "childhood diseases" of the original design.

            At one time, I had the opportunity to familiarize myself with the methods used to bring this gas engine to the required condition, I was impressed a lot, to be honest.
    2. +2
      29 June 2019 21: 28
      We have the latest serial car for this engine GAS 52-04 was produced, it seems, to 1992. Then the motor was made for parts and for the Lviv loader plant.
      1. +1
        30 June 2019 00: 54
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Then the motor was made for spare parts for the Lviv loader plant.

        I don’t know the date of termination of production of this engine, but in the 2000s I saw these new engines in the warehouse of one of the trading companies, and one even had to sort out, there was a factory marriage. And the main thing that surprised me was that there were no division of the connecting rods on the left and right. Those who sorted this engine know that his cranks are asymmetrical.
        1. 0
          30 June 2019 07: 39
          The connecting rods of the GAZ-51 and 53 engines are made identical, symmetrical i.e., only during assembly are installed in a certain order, taking into account the marks and design (oriented along the cylinder).
          1. +1
            30 June 2019 07: 57
            Quote: AlexVas44
            The connecting rods of the GAZ-51 and 53 engines are made identical, symmetrical

            You are confused. Gas-51 and gas-53 are completely different engines.

            At the top of the GAZ-51. At the bottom, on a cylinder, GAZ-53, modification with full-flow filter
            1. +1
              30 June 2019 08: 31
              I may not have accurately conveyed my thought.
              I don’t confuse the engines, I have been operating them for more than 30 years, I just emphasized that both engines - 51 and 53, are equipped with symmetrical connecting rods, without left and right, the connecting rods are the same (for their engine brand). Again - only when assembling the connecting rods are guided by the piston and cylinder number, i.e. turn a certain side forward or backward.
              1. 0
                30 June 2019 10: 17
                Quote: AlexVas44
                his cranks are asymmetrical.

                Quote: AlexVas44
                both engines - and 51, and 53, are equipped with symmetrical connecting rods

                Symmetrical connecting rods went with GAZ 12 - ZIM.
                1. +2
                  30 June 2019 10: 57
                  Oh, this rush of thought. One thing in the head, another on paper.
                  Calling the rods symmetrical I meant that in each of these engines all the connecting rods are the same. In fact asymmetric they are structurally, i.e., the center of the lower head of the connecting rod is offset from the center of the upper head, well, or, respectively, symmetrical.
                  It remains to apologize for distorting the meaning of the term.
  10. DPN
    -6
    29 June 2019 21: 55
    The song of praise of the United States, so today it is not where without the United States, and now what to pray in the United States? They must be protected, not gutted.
    1. +3
      29 June 2019 22: 08
      You saw something of your own in the text, right?
      1. +1
        30 June 2019 06: 16
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        saw your own in the text, right?

        He "saw through" you - your article was written with the money of the State Department! angry
        By the way, thanks for the article itself, which, although "enemy", but very interesting, reads in one breath.
      2. DPN
        0
        30 June 2019 07: 55
        I always see the SOVIET, without which there wouldn’t be a fuck, so I see my Soviet,
        1. -1
          30 June 2019 08: 07
          You see something strange at times, it seems.
          1. DPN
            -1
            30 June 2019 11: 10
            In your opinion, let's become the next US state and live beautifully, happily ever after like the Yankees. You could be understood on the condition of pride or praise for the same Chief Designer of GAZ, who was able to choose and upgrade this engine, and not just stuck it.
            1. -1
              30 June 2019 13: 45
              Do not attribute to me the horrors of your head, I did not write anything like that, and Lipgart, who chose the engine mentioned in the article several times, is in a positive way.
              1. 0
                30 June 2019 16: 31
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                Do not attribute to me the horrors of your head, I did not write anything like that, and Lipgart, who chose the engine mentioned in the article several times, is in a positive way.

                Lipgart did not choose anything (for there was nothing to choose from), he only agreed with the NKVD’s only proposal.
                1. -1
                  30 June 2019 19: 57
                  Could you disagree? wink
                  1. 0
                    1 July 2019 06: 16
                    Quote: timokhin-aa
                    Could you disagree? wink

                    Only theoretically, because then it was necessary either to buy a license for another engine, or to develop the engine yourself.
  11. 0
    29 June 2019 22: 25
    Yes, I went to the Gas-52 with such an engine, it is really unpretentious and reliable enough if you don’t gas the floor, but when loading 2-3 tons are rather weak especially in lifting. Personally, I liked the Zilovsky engine, also a six inline, but with a larger volume, which was placed on the Zil 157 or Zil-164 (Zakhar), as for me it was a masterpiece in terms of simplicity, stability, smoothness, high-torque, reliability, so far I remember the very motor with warmth.
    1. +4
      29 June 2019 22: 32
      We must still remember that the original Chrysler engine was designed for 4-s local cars, maximum for pickups.
      1. 0
        30 June 2019 10: 26
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        when loading 2-3 tons is rather weak especially in the rise. Personally, I liked the Zilovsky engine, also a straight six, but with a larger volume, which was placed on the Zil 157 or Zil-164 (Zakhar),

        Quote: timokhin-aa
        The original Chrysler engine was intended for 4-seater passenger cars, maximum for pickups.

        You can’t forbid to live beautifully. The Americans are now putting 6-7 liter engines on pickups, while Europe has slipped 1,2.
        Comparing engines with volumes of 3.48 and 5.55 is incorrect, even if they have the same maximum power.
        It’s not for nothing that the old American saying says - it’s not power that pulls, the volume (torque characteristic).
        And I like Yaroslavl eight even more. That's where the uniformity and traction, no Zahar can not be compared, even 2.
        1. +3
          30 June 2019 13: 54
          It’s not for nothing that the old American saying says - it’s not power that pulls, the volume (torque characteristic).


          Power sells cars, torque wins the race. (c) Carroll Shelby))))
          The author of this masterpiece


          Classics need to know smile
  12. +1
    29 June 2019 23: 31
    The article is interesting, definitely +.
    Only when writing technical articles with numbers should be handled more carefully:
    The cylinder diameter is not 88, but 82 mm.
    On the GAZ 51, the engine did not develop 75, but 70 at 2800 rpm. Up to 75, the power was increased on the GAZ 52.
    Well, about 3600 rpm:
    In the GAZ-12 engine, the main drawback of the GAZ-51 engines was eliminated - failure of the connecting rod bearings at high speeds, by installing symmetrical connecting rods the maximum revolutions of the lower valve engine of the ZIM were only 3600 rpm. [i] [/ i]
    1. +2
      30 June 2019 00: 02
      Thank you, I will correct the article later. Hurried, apparently.
      1. +1
        30 June 2019 03: 10
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        I will correct the article later

        So until what year did the 4-cylinder version stand in production?
        if the 4-cylinder version stood in production before, then the six-cylinder only on cars was mass-produced until the end of the 60s
        1. 0
          30 June 2019 08: 12
          A typo.
          Until 1933.
          1. 0
            30 June 2019 16: 21
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Until 1933

            Thank. An interesting story may be with familiar things, like ...
  13. +3
    29 June 2019 23: 32
    Nice, informative article. Once again I am amazed at the "omnivorousness" of Mr. Timokhin. I am sincerely delighted by the fact that I did not find in the final lines a call to use the engine for the production of armored vehicles for a strategic confrontation with the hated NATO. My respect!
    1. +4
      30 June 2019 00: 00
      Once again I am surprised at the "omnivorousness" of Mr. Timokhin.


      Leonid, I jumped with a parachute in an unacceptably strong wind, ran away from a bear across the tundra, I know how to body napalm from publicly available reagents, I can make a detonator for an IED from a finger battery, I speak English, I know torture methods, I worked as a private detective, I fight and shoot well "offhand", I have acquaintances in the international arms trade, contacts in Iran, Pakistan, Egypt and Nigeria, and did a lot of this in my life that an ordinary person can only see in a movie.

      Well, that's how it turned out. Omnivorous - she's from there. laughing

      Regarding your skepticism about my articles on the fleet - they are read and sometimes criticized by people "from the whim and uphill", for example, the commander of a submarine division. Real officers, but not nobles)))).

      And in general, it is impossible to say that I was fundamentally wrong in something, Leonid.
      If you focus on someone else's opinion, at least.
      And of course you stay with it.))))
      1. -1
        30 June 2019 00: 12
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        I jumped with an airborne parachute into an unacceptably strong wind

        I believe it happens.

        Quote: timokhin-aa
        ran away on the tundra from a bear

        What for? Who made you ... do this?

        Quote: timokhin-aa
        I know how to body napalm from public reagents

        This is ... not useful. I can do it too, so what?

        Quote: timokhin-aa
        I can make a detonator for IEDs from a finger battery

        I do not believe. Teach, I also want)))

        I fight well and shoot "offhand"

        Similarly

        I have friends in the international arms trade, communications in Iran, Pakistan, Egypt and Nigeria

        Yes? Right? wink

        I remember: Johny Cash, "Don't take your guns to town ... son, leave your guns at home" request
        1. +1
          30 June 2019 07: 03
          Well, just agent 007! Particularly wonderful are "jumping into a terrible wind" and spiriting napalm in the kitchen according to recipes from the Internet. Don't endanger yourself like that! Write with Andrey from Chelyabinsk and other authors strong articles on history, on the history of military equipment, and we will read them.
        2. +1
          30 June 2019 08: 14
          What for? Who made you ... do this?


          Bear made.
          In fairness - he did not chase me. Just roared. I had enough.

          If he had followed me then, I would not have written anything here now.

          Johny Cash, "Don't take your guns to town ... son, leave your guns at home"


          The last time an unnecessarily brave citizen I sent for treatment three weeks ago. Well, by the way ...
          1. -4
            5 July 2019 14: 34
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            The last time I sent an overly courageous citizen for treatment three weeks ago

            You should not do this, IMHO. Double-edged, you know, action.

            And bragging about it on the Internet is not comme il faut at all.

            Quote: timokhin-aa
            Well, by the way ...

            Exactly...
      2. 0
        30 June 2019 06: 48
        You, Alexander, are listing your achievements as a civilian who has never played enough war, but who has never really served either in the Army, or in the Navy, or in special forces. All your "broad" knowledge of everything about everything is bookish, all your skills are fragmentary. A person who has connections in the arms trade will never bother about them in the public domain, boasting to strangers. The arms trade, in addition to the official channels, is an international crime. Those who really did a lot in their lives, gave it and do it in silence, and they are silent about these matters. Good for health. The fact that whims pat you on the back means only that they are decent people, well-mannered and ... nothing more. Caprases, unlike you, my dear Timokhin, they served and went through the service path from cadet to capricious and higher. Among the real officers there are nobles and not nobles, but all of them, unlike you, are real officers, like me, by the way. A real military man does not jump on top, especially for a naval officer. In the navy, my dear, butterflies are not caught. During my life and service, I had to meet such enthusiastic, enthusiastic amateurs and also patronizingly and approvingly pat them on the shoulders, unencumbered by shoulder straps. Like, whatever the child is amused. Therefore, I respect your military-historical epistolary creativity, reading VO at your pension leisure, but when you jump out with a cardboard sword on a wooden horse into the sphere of high strategic thought, it only causes laughter. But, nowadays, the time is such that words in a pseudo-scientific article, picked up by amateurs, can cause a flurry of negative phenomena. This is annoying. However, among incompetent people you use a well-known piety. This reminds me of the enthusiastic reverence for Rezun and those like him among the humanitarian liberal intelligentsia, who never came close to the army. Write, Alexander, create, jump, shoot, I do not recommend to explode - it already smacks of terrorism, but remember how your word can turn out to be a stone that caused an avalanche. Remember the country. I wanted to write about the Oath, but it's not about you. And, last but not least, from great knowledge - great sorrows happen. Therefore, remember - a talker is a godsend for a spy. And the fate of talkers among arms dealers is even more unenviable ...
        1. 0
          30 June 2019 08: 40
          The arms trade, in addition to official channels, is an international crime.


          No, Leonid. This is only in Russia.
          It will not hurt me to buy ammunition from one government and deliver it to another, registering the shipment properly if I carry it myself.
          This is not a violation of any legislation outside the Russian Federation.
          And in the Russian Federation is not, as long as I do not try to transport such goods across the border.
          The only consequence is that the phone is sometimes tapped and that's it.
          Here is a banal specification from the tender for artillery shells in caliber 122 mm





          It is sent by fax to any interested persons who have passed accreditation in the office of the military attache. And the problems to go through it are not. I passed.

          That's all.

          This is a "white" business, people in LinkedIn advertise themselves with it.

          Moreover, even in Russia such matters can be turned around, but we need a firm that has agency relations with Rosoboronexport. And then it is possible to sell our iron, but Rosoboronexport will be the seller, and the profit withdrawal scheme will be a curve through a foreign bank.

          It’s just that you’re not allowed to talk about specific transactions involving ROE, in the Russian Federation it’s a state secret and getting access to it without proper admission on the idea of ​​a crime. Again, if you yourself created a fact, which is then classified, then you can not put you, but for the chatter - easily.

          And that's it, Leonid.

          You are wrong again. The world is not what you think, everything is not what you think, everything is not what you think, but exactly the opposite.

          This is a rare case when everything in a person's head is "mirrored" in relation to reality, but now you managed to become like that, Leonid.

          Only podzdravlyat you with this I will not. laughing

          UPDATE.
          This is what it looks like outside of Russia - just advertising.
          http://www.armada-group.me/ru/
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          2. 0
            3 July 2019 13: 14
            Why are you making excuses to him ...
      3. 0
        3 July 2019 14: 43
        What city do you live in?
  14. +4
    30 June 2019 00: 07
    Gas 51. At that time, a great car. I worked for two years in the seventies, and I didn’t let it down at the harvesting room or at the factory, I remember with warmth
  15. +3
    30 June 2019 01: 20
    And of course, we cannot ignore Poland. Having the opportunity to produce “Victory” under the name “Warsaw”, the Poles copied the engine as well.

    So there was also the Polish Lublin-51, all the same GAZ-51A. Even in the early 80s, there were many Poles.
    1. 0
      30 June 2019 08: 41
      Yes, I’ve gotten through with Lublin, I should have mentioned it.
  16. +1
    30 June 2019 06: 33
    This is how you live and it’s kind of used to everything, and you know everything, and then a person comes and tells amazing things. Alexander hi , many thanks for the most interesting material. good
    1. +2
      30 June 2019 08: 42
      Please glad you liked it.
  17. +1
    30 June 2019 11: 47
    Needless to say, the iconic motor!
  18. +1
    30 June 2019 12: 48
    The cylinder diameter of this engine (Gas-51) was standard - 81,88 mm. And only during the production of Gaz-52 it was brought to -82,00 mm. But the repair dimensions were: 82,5; 83,0; 83,5. Unfortunately, I don't remember the size of the crankshaft necks. But if memory does not change, instead of the main inserts, the connecting rod bearings of the ZIL-130 engine were used, grinding grooves in them. And they walked longer than the "relatives". If the Gaz-51 inserts were babite, then the GAZ-52 used steel-aluminum, which also ran longer. A good and balanced engine, although a new resource with careful operation is 60000-70000 km. After overhaul, he nursed no more than 25000-30000 km. The GAZ-53f had the same engine, only a different cylinder head (aluminum with a compression ratio of 6,7 and for A-72 gasoline), a different double-diffuser intake manifold and a different carburetor. At the same time, the power rose to 82 hp.
    1. 0
      30 June 2019 13: 58
      Yeah, well, here you are and reminded about liners.

      With them, the engine was also less sensitive to revolutions!

      Well, footcloths under the connecting rod caps of this motor sometimes lay in five layers laughing
  19. +1
    30 June 2019 13: 47
    Test motor! The question is that in the same America it was produced in many cylinder diameters and had an EMIP for 110 horses in the largest volume! In terms of mass production, the union unfortunately always grazed the rear. The same version of the gas-51F with the overhead head for some reason did not go. Although an elementary thing, like a rear self-gripping oil seal, and a aluminum head would add dvigla life, back in the ancient 67-70s.
  20. 0
    30 June 2019 15: 49
    If you recall that Ford was a V40 for the Ford Model B 1A / GAZ-M8, it is a pity that ours went along the path of saving, and did not begin to master this engine.
    1. 0
      30 June 2019 20: 00
      It was very difficult for the then Soviet industry. And there was not enough fuel in the country.
  21. 0
    30 June 2019 18: 10
    Exactly, it was on the BTR-40, which had to ride a lot wink Good engine, start up and a crooked starter, and electric. He pulled not very briskly, but without fail.
  22. 0
    30 June 2019 19: 08
    Thanks, I liked it!
  23. 0
    8 July 2019 08: 43
    Slow-moving motor.
    Tolerate can not large revolutions.
    Babbitt conrod liners-scourge of these engines (applies equally to the Zil sixes of those times for 164 and 157 models, fixed only on the ZIL-157KD)
    'hand of friendship' through the block-crown number of these engines.
    Yes, and for the GAZ-52 it was rather weak, even by THOSE times, it barely pulled its bones, loaded 2 tons and that's it, weaving a little alive.
    This is from the godfather (now deceased), who drove off pretty well on the lawns, heard regularly, and it was the lawn sixes who drank pretty blood.
    When I moved to the 53rd with V8, I became a completely different person!
    As he said, finally a normal engine was installed on this machine!
  24. 0
    9 July 2019 09: 36
    Quote: timokhin-aa
    Honestly, not in the know about the offended developer, if you have something to read, share.

    Not full support crankshaft is not such a problem in the end it turned out. Americans make the course-birth on such motors, with drive superchargers. And do not break the crankshaft.

    We also did not break on the armored personnel carriers, and the dynamics of the machines more or less was enough.

    As for "not suitable for tanks", well, there is a limit to everything. On the T-60, he quite came up alone. And the fact that a unit of 140 hp was made of two such engines is also a plus for the engine.

    Up to 3800, a modified motor of this type can easily be turned, and the filling in the cylinder can be raised within reasonable limits without compromising reliability.
    It would be why.

    I can not agree with this approach.
    An incomplete support shaft is a decrease in reliability and, as one of its components, durability. Therefore, such engines did not go for a long time (they demanded a constant tightening of the shaft supports), for war purposes, perhaps this was enough.
    And if you want to increase the filling capacity of the cylinder (cylinder power), or to increase the number of revolutions, then the more "mileage" of the engine will drop.
    Remind everyone what inserts (crankshaft) were on this technique !?
    and according to GAZ-51 it’s already another construction, and the roots are close, but this is a different construction.
  25. 0
    9 July 2019 11: 39
    Quote: timokhin-aa
    Wrong.

    The same applies to the YaMZ-740 / KAMAZ-740 line. We started with the 210 hp atmospheric engine, now it has 400-420, Euro-5 and the resource is twice as high, and the fuel consumption is almost the same.
    In short - you are wrong.

    At the end of the 70s, when Shestakov was the chief designer of engines, he at meetings of any level (and not just at Barun, said almost the following - boost? 740? Only through my corpse.
    And what we see now is not the 740, although the nameplate is the same.