How Russia saved Georgia from destruction

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The myth of the “Russian occupation” of Georgia dominates in Georgia. However historical the truth is that Georgian lands at the time of their accession to Russia were in danger of total destruction by Turkey and Persia. The Georgian people were under constant threat of physical destruction (genocide), assimilation and Islamization of their remnants. Russia saved historical Georgia and its nationalities from complete disappearance from the face of the planet.


Franz Rubo The entry of Russian troops in Tiflis 1799




The myth of the "Russian occupation" of Georgia


After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, in the majority of the former Soviet republics, large-scale programs of de-Sovietisation and de-Russification were started, accompanied by cave nationalism and Russophobia. Georgia has not passed this process.

The myth of the “Russian and Soviet occupation” of Georgia won in Georgia. If previously it was carried by a handful of pro-Western leaders, of the liberal national intelligentsia, by now this black myth is already dominant in the Georgian population. Corresponding information processing (education system, leading media, politicians and public figures, etc.) led to the fact that the younger generations of Georgians consider Russians as occupiers, aggressors. The 2008 war of the year, which led to the complete separation of Abkhazia and South Ossetia from Georgia, only strengthened these sentiments.

But The historical truth is that the Georgian lands at the time of their annexation to Russia were threatened with complete annihilation by Turkey and Persia. The Georgian people were under constant threat of physical destruction (genocide), assimilation and Islamization of its remnants. Russia saved historical Georgia and its people from complete disappearance from the face of the planet. At the same time, in fact, at that time there was no single Georgian people, but there were several nationalities and tribes, they became “Georgians” already in a favorable period of life within the USSR.

Creating a new historical myth about Georgia, Tbilisi preferred to forget that the Georgian rulers more than once asked Russia to intervene, take shelter and save the Georgian people. To forget that various historical areas of Georgia at various times became part of Russia were recaptured from the Turks at a great price, with the blood of Russian soldiers. And it was precisely as part of the Russia-USSR that these separate areas were merged into the united Georgian SSR. That the large-scale economic, socio-cultural development of Georgia as part of Russia led to the formation of the Georgian people.

Georgia has forgotten that many generations of Georgians enjoyed a peaceful life in the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. Forgot about the threat of genocide. What caused the growth of the population - a basic sign of prosperity, favorable living conditions of the people. They do not recall the fact that many of the best representatives of the Georgian people joined the Russian elite in the Russian Empire and the USSR. Suffice it to recall the famous Russian commander of Georgian origin, Bagration, the greatest leader of the Russian people, Stalin-Dzhugashvili, the best manager of the 20th century, Beria, etc. What the Georgians, together with the Russians, did was one thing, built an empire, a great Union, fought the Nazis. That only constructive work in a common project, like during the times of Soviet civilization, can bring prosperity to Georgia and Georgians.

Also in Georgia it is worth remembering the differences between Western and Russian development projects. Western invaders and colonialists always carry death and ruin, violence and robbery. The Western world is a parasitic project, a world of slave owners and slaves. Relative prosperity is only in the metropolis, the core of the capitalist system (although there too the domination of social parasites sooner or later leads to degradation and destruction). The colonial periphery has no bright future. Well, only representatives of the colonial administration and the comprador bourgeoisie, who are rich in selling their homeland, can get settled in the non-slave world.

Under the Russian and Soviet authorities, Georgia was part of a common project, a power, not a colony. Therefore, the economy, transport, social, cultural and educational infrastructure, and health care developed in Georgia. There were no ordinary phenomena for the Western colonialists - mass terror, genocide, parasitism on the resources and energy of the conquered people, the conversion of local residents into slaves or second-class people. Georgians were full members of a common empire. At the same time, they were not suppressed, on the contrary, local features and differences remained.

The question of the survival of Georgia


It is enough to recall the story of how Georgia turned out to be part of Russia in order to cast aside the lies about the “Russian occupation”. In the 15th century, the Georgian kingdom became an isolated Christian country in a hostile environment. Georgia fell into decay and split into several state entities, which were under the strong influence of Persia (Iran) and the Ottoman Empire, were under constant military threat from these regional powers. Part of the Georgian territory was occupied by Turkey and Persia. In 1555, Porta and Persia signed a peace treaty, delimiting their spheres of influence in the Caucasus. Imereti went to Turkey, and the Kartli and Kakheti kingdoms went to Persia.

At the same time during this period there were constantly bloody, devastating wars between Turkey and Iran for the region. Georgia has become a battlefield. The waves of invaders devastated the Georgian lands. The masses and the Ottomans led the people away to settle in other places or to sell them into slavery. Survivors and survivors of slavery fled to deep in the mountains, in remote places. Part of the population was forced to convert to Islam. There were also internal wars, strife between local rulers, feudal lords. North Caucasian mountaineers raided Georgia. The slave trade flourished. The once thriving cities and lands were empty, the population has declined sharply. Georgian nationality was on the verge of extinction.

Only the appearance of Christian Russia in the Caucasus saved the Georgian nationalities from complete extinction, assimilation and Islamization. Georgian rulers in the XVII - XVII Ivv. Repeatedly appealed to Russia with requests to take their citizenship and provide military assistance against Turkey and Persia. In 1638, the king of Mingrelia (Mengrelia is a historical region in Western Georgia) Leon sent a request to the Russian Tsar Mikhail to become a Russian citizen. In 1641, the chartered diploma was handed over to Kakhetian Tsar Teimuraz on the adoption of the Iberian Land (Iberia, Iberia - the historical name of Kakheti) under the auspices of the Russian kingdom. In 1657, the Georgian tribes — the Tushins, Khevsurs, and Pshavs, asked the emperor Alexey Mikhailovich to accept them into Russian citizenship.

Similar requests were repeated several times in the 18th century. However, Russia in this period could not yet solve the strategic task of integrating the Caucasus into its sphere of influence. In the 17th and the first half of the 18th century, Russia waged heavy wars to restore the unity of the Russian lands, with the goal of reaching the shores of the Baltic and the Black Sea. A lot of effort, resources and time was spent on solving internal problems. Tsar Peter began to open a window to the East (How Peter I cut the door to the East; As Peter I cut through the "door" to the East. Part of 2), however, the work begun by him was not continued by the successors. The era of the so-called. “Palace coups”, internal intrigues and discord slowed down Russia's movement to the South, including the Caucasus.

Only during the time of Empress Catherine II in the eastern politics of Russia, including the Caucasus, there was a radical change. Russia waged wars with Turkey for supremacy in the Northern Black Sea region and the sphere of interests of St. Petersburg and the Caucasus. During the Russian-Turkish war 1768 - 1774. Kartli-Kakheti and Imeretian kingdoms took the side of the Russians against the Ottomans. For the war in the Caucasus direction, a detachment of General Totleben was sent. Totleben's troops managed to take Turkish fortresses in Imereti and occupy Kutaisi. Russia defeated Turkey. Kyuchuk-Kaynardzhiysky world 1774 of the year facilitated the situation of the Georgian citizens of Porta, canceled the payment of tribute to Imeretia. The fortresses taken by the Russian soldiers were not returned to the Turks.

Entry into Russia


At the end of 1782, the Kartli-Kakhetian king Irakli II appealed to the Russian Empress Catherine to accept his kingdom under the auspices of the Russian Empire. Petersburg has agreed. The relevant negotiations were held by General P. Potemkin (a relative of the famous empress's favorite). 24 July 1783 was signed in the Caucasian fortress Georgievsk on the patronage and supreme power of the Russian Empire with the united Kartli-Kakheti kingdom (Eastern Georgia). The Georgian tsar recognized the patronage of St. Petersburg and refused from an independent foreign policy, he had to coordinate it with the Russian government. Heraclius refused to vassal dependence on the part of other states and pledged to recognize only the power of the Russian sovereigns. Russia promised to protect Georgia from external enemies. Two battalions were allocated to defend the country, and if necessary they could be strengthened. Georgians received common trade rights with Russians, freedom of movement and settlement in Russia. The agreement equated the rights of Russian and Georgian nobles, clergy and merchants.

Russia began building a communication linking Georgia to the Georgian Military Highway. Several fortifications were erected along it, including Vladikavkaz. The treaty operated for several years, as early as 1787, Russia withdrew troops from Georgia because of the “flexible” policy of Heraclius, who began secret negotiations with the Turks. Russia's victory over Turkey in the war 1787 - 1791 improved the position of Georgia. According to the Yassky peace, the Port refused claims on Georgia and pledged not to take hostile actions against the Georgians.

Meanwhile, Persia decided to restore its sphere of influence in the Caucasus. There, after years of civil strife, Aga Mohammad Shah from the Turkic Qajar tribe seized power. He became the founder of the new dynasty, the Qajars, and began to actively restore the empire. He decided to return Georgia to Persia. In 1795, a huge Persian army marched across Georgia with fire and sword. The small Georgian army laid bones in a three-day battle on the outskirts of Tbilisi. The Persians defeated Tbilisi, a large part of the population was massacred, thousands of women and children were driven into slavery.

Russia responded to the 1796 year, organized the Persian campaign in order to punish the "non-peaceful" Persia (How Russia saved Georgia from Persia; Punishing non-peaceful Persia - 1796 campaign of the year). Also, Russian troops were introduced to Georgia to protect it. The campaign was victorious, the Russian troops occupied Derbent, Cuba and Baku, went to the northern regions of Persia. The entire western coast of the Caspian was under Russian control. The Derbent, Baku, Cuban, Karabag, Shamakhi and Ganja Khanates were transferred to Russian citizenship. It remains only to consolidate this success with a political agreement with the defeated Shah of Persia. The unexpected death of Catherine mixed all the cards. Pavel the First decided to start foreign policy from a clean slate and ordered to withdraw troops from the Transcaspian region and Georgia.

However, soon negotiations between Russia and Georgia resumed. King of Kartli-Kakheti, George XII understood that Georgia can survive only under the auspices of Russia. He requested to renew the agreement 1783 of the year. In April 1799, the Russian sovereign Pavel I renewed the patronage agreement, the Russian troops returned to Tbilisi.

The situation in Eastern Georgia was complicated by internecine strife, personal and narrow group interests of Georgian feudal lords. Feudal lords were grouped around numerous princes who claimed the throne. George XII was seriously ill and bickering began for the throne. The feudal lords were ready to betray national interests, to go for personal gain to an agreement with the Persians and Turks. The pro-Russian party led by Tsar George decided that it was necessary to revise the Treaty of St. George, reinforcing Russian power in Georgia. In the summer of 1800, Pavel accepted the proposal of the Georgian tsar to strengthen the powers of the Russian government: now it was not only about control over Georgia’s foreign policy, but also about domestic policy issues. In the autumn of 1800, the Georgian delegation proposed a draft of a closer integration of Georgia with Russia. Paul accepted it. The Russian emperor announced that he was accepting Tsar George XII and all the people of Georgia for everlasting citizenship. The Russian troops in Georgia were reinforced, which made it possible to successfully repel the Avar Khan's raid.

As a result, Petersburg went to the liquidation of the Kartli-Kakhetian kingdom. Georgian dynasty could not ensure stability and the existence of Georgian statehood. Russia needed order and stability in Georgia, the strategic base of the empire in the Caucasus. It was necessary to introduce direct Russian control, eliminating the possibility of an uprising, the collapse and interference of external forces. At the end of 1800, the Georgian king George XII fell seriously ill. During his illness, the supreme power passed into the hands of the plenipotentiary minister of the Russian government under the Georgian king, Kovalensky, and the commander of the Russian troops in Georgia, General Lazarev. January 18 The manifesto of Paul I on the annexation of the Kartli-Kakheti kingdom to Russia was promulgated in Petersburg on St. Petersburg 1801. In mid-February of the same year, this manifesto was announced in Tbilisi. After the murder of Paul, this act was confirmed by the government of Alexander.

How Russia saved Georgia from destruction

Memorial sign of the Treaty of St. George between Russia and Georgia, issued in 1790 year


What did the Russian authorities give Georgia?


Thus, the Russians were not “occupiers.” The most reasonable representatives of the Georgian elite called for Russians to save Georgia from total annihilation. There was no other way out. In another development scenario, without Russia, the Georgian people would disappear from world history. Russia saved Georgia from destruction, and the Georgian people from destruction, assimilation among the Muslim peoples. Under the rule of the Russians, most of historical Georgia was reunited. The shameful slavery was abolished, when its Georgian feudal lords sold their children and girls to slavery. Georgia received a large period of peacetime - several generations in the king, and then in Soviet times. This led to a significant increase in the Georgian population. In 1801, Georgians were about 800 thousand people, in 1900 year - 2 million, in 1959 year - 4 million, in 1990 year - 5,4 million people. The extinction and flight abroad of the population of Georgia began in the 1990-years.

At the same time, Russia did not rob and so impoverished Georgia, on the contrary, took upon herself a great responsibility and burden. The Empire developed its suburbs. In Soviet times, Georgia became a prosperous republic. In addition, the Russians paid for the peace in Georgia with a lot of blood - thousands of soldiers were killed in the wars with the Turks. One of the reasons for the long and bloody Caucasian war was the raids of the Highlanders on Georgia. And here the Russians had to pay with their blood so that there would be peace and order in the Caucasus.

About the future of Georgia


The once rich republic of the USSR, which was developed by the efforts of the whole empire, is now a poor “independent” republic (Tbilisi is now under the control of the owners of the West, the USA). The power of nationalists and Western liberals in Georgia led to poverty and the extinction of the people (in 1990 - 5,4 million people, in 2018 - 3,7 million people). There is no future for modern Georgia. The West Tbilisi owners are needed only to continue the operation to resolve the “Russian issue” in the Caucasus direction.

No riots against the government will save Georgia. How the Rose Revolution did not save in 2003, when the Shevardnadze regime was overthrown. Georgia, following the "prompts" of the West, managed to lose Abkhazia and South Ossetia. And the “successful” liberal reforms and the “Georgian miracle” show that the people of the provincial republic will still be poor. What proves the flight of people to other countries and depopulation.

The global systemic crisis (global unrest) leaves Georgia no chance of survival. Turkey side by side, the Middle East has already become a “front”. If the hydrocarbon-rich and Islamic and Turkic Azerbaijan Republic has the possibility of integration into a single union with Turkey, then Georgia has only further degradation and death. Christian Georgia without Russia, without a common development project with the Russians (empire) cannot survive. The only way to prosperity is a common creative project with Russia, close integration in the new alliance-empire. It is clear that for this, Russia itself must abandon the rule of liberalism and Westernism, the world of slave owners and slaves. Offer the world an alternative development project based not on the enslavement of man, but on the disclosure of his creative, creative principle. Russia needs to become the civilization of the future again - on the basis of social justice, ethics of conscience, to create a society of knowledge, service and creation. The transformation of Russia into the Kingdom of Truth will inevitably lead to the restoration of an empire-union with the reunification of the majority of previously lost lands. Russians and Georgians, like other peoples of Russian civilization, will return to the path of creation.
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  1. +13
    26 June 2019 05: 40
    Georgia did not pass the check for lice.
    1. +11
      26 June 2019 06: 21
      There is not lice, but running pediculosis.
      1. +4
        26 June 2019 06: 36
        Christian Georgia without Russia, without a development project (empire) common with the Russians cannot survive. The only way to prosperity is a common creative project with Russia, close integration in the new union-empire.
        The mantra is known that no one can survive without us, only it does not work for now. The further, the more disgusting. Neither "fasteners" nor "spirituality" help, we lose to the West on the ideological front totally, because we have nothing to offer except gas. and the system in today's Russia is not such as to rush to him under the wing. It can be seen without glasses.
        1. +2
          26 June 2019 09: 21
          I agree "mantra", practicality is needed more without all this husk about spirituality and braces, and then some "brothers" in the world who remember Russia when they suck. The fact is that until Russia begins to win in the information war against the West, there will be people who will not like the "system"
          1. +4
            26 June 2019 20: 41
            The most annoying thing is that in the information war the one who is telling the truth always loses.
            He is limited by the truth, and a liar can carry anything.
            - Robert Sheckley
        2. +4
          26 June 2019 11: 35
          There is nothing to offer? But simply - to protect YOUR interests, and not the transatlantic "owner" who deeply spit on the Georgians - in your opinion, a bad proposal? And this is the main thing. Without Russia in modern conditions there is no and cannot be real sovereignty. Yes, now they believe that they are doing the right thing, that their master will make them a beloved wife - this is not for long. Time will certainly put everything in its place.
        3. +3
          26 June 2019 13: 02
          Quote: Aerodrome
          only it does not work for now. the further, the nastier. neither "clamps" nor "spirituality" help,

          Because we, like the rest, are striving to join the world bourgeoisie.
      2. +9
        26 June 2019 08: 11
        I always said that no one should ever help. No one needs to be protected. There should be only the interests of Russia and its people. And the blood of a Russian soldier should be in his veins and not flow on foreign land. Because it’s not brothers who remember good for a very short time. Bulgaria Ukraine Georgia Baltic States and many other living examples. It would be better if they were erased as ethnic groups would be quieter on the outskirts.
      3. 0
        26 June 2019 11: 15
        Quote: Anatoly 288
        There is not lice, but running pediculosis.

        Quote: Aliken
        Georgia did not pass the check for lice.

        authorities in Georgia are of the same breed as in Ukraine. impudent scum climbed into all the cracks and balamut, set up against Russia.
        and the Georgian people themselves are generally very friendly and hospitable
    2. -1
      26 June 2019 22: 29
      Actually, like all "national. Republics", but in fact, limitrophes.
    3. 0
      1 July 2019 13: 11
      Quote: Aliken
      Georgia did not pass the check for lice.

      What do you want from nations of traders, they understand nothing but strength, and they don’t remember history. Where the weather-vane of force-money blows, there they float. These are not Germans.
  2. +7
    26 June 2019 05: 50
    The myth of the "Russian and Soviet occupation" of Georgia prevailed in Georgia.
    Yes ... As a result of this, with the permission of the "occupation", the people of Georgia remained alive and developed, its inhabitants were not slaves, but full members of the community ... Do not do good, so as not to receive ingratitude
    1. +3
      26 June 2019 06: 37
      Quote: svp67
      As a result of this, with the permission of the "occupation", the people of Georgia survived and developed, its inhabitants were not slaves, but full members of the community ..

      It can be clarified that ALL nations that Russia did not have time to "occupy" (liberate) from the ports were cut out, exterminated and assimilated in 1915-1922.

      It was Russia that saved Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, Armenia, Georgia, Serbia from the terrible fate, and only because of it do they exist.
      Quote: svp67
      Do not do good so as not to receive ingratitude

      Such is our Russia, cannot but do GOOD.
      1. -2
        26 June 2019 10: 56
        Quote: Olgovich
        It was precisely Russia that saved Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, Armenia, Georgia, Serbia from the terrible fate, and only thanks to it do they exist ....

        In vain they saved the Armenians. They have always been traitors, they were the first to leave the USSR and now they are "paying with good", they are killing our people ...
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        1. +1
          26 June 2019 12: 15
          Quote: Procyon Lotor
          А Is possible to clarify exactly which peoples were cut, exterminated and assimilated in 1915-1922. I could not find any materials on this subject.

          You can: open up topics: the genocide of Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, etc.
      3. +1
        26 June 2019 12: 13
        And it is possible to clarify exactly which peoples were massacred, exterminated and assimilated in 1915-1922. I could not find any materials on this subject.
      4. +1
        26 June 2019 12: 35
        And you say it to the Circassians and maybe you will recognize the urine on May 21, residents of the 3 Adyghe republics call the day of the Circassian genocide.
        1. -1
          27 June 2019 08: 40
          Quote: Procyon Lotor
          you say it to the Circassian ... the day of genocide

          Why say something? The role of the Circassians of Turkey in Armenian Genocide in 1915-1920, it is well known and condemned by all
      5. -1
        29 June 2019 06: 17
        Back in the USSR, there was an obsession to help everyone, right down to Africa. What a lot of money they poured into them, and where and what? Yes, they won’t find us on the map either, if they still know what the map is. And we built schools and roads. One word, Africa.
  3. +8
    26 June 2019 05: 52
    A good article, but it delicately touches on the topic of betrayal of the Georgian kings. Nothing changes. If Russia forgets about Georgia economically, financially and politically, then all the bad things the author writes about will happen to Georgia in the next 10 years. And it would be worth forgetting about Georgia for a couple of years.
  4. 0
    26 June 2019 05: 59
    Who helps people, he spends time in vain, good deeds will be made without any use .. \ hat /
  5. 0
    26 June 2019 06: 08
    Loved the last paragraph. 5+
  6. +1
    26 June 2019 06: 09
    Despite the fact that the article
    I’d like to add quite interesting that so far, more than one generation of young Georgians will not bring up the future of relations between our countries on such facts that are presented in the article.
  7. +2
    26 June 2019 06: 11
    There is a very simple and absolutely democratic way to solve all the problems of Georgia:
    1. We must make it a parliamentary republic.
    2. It is necessary to increase the number of MPs to 3 *
    Then it will not hurt anyone, everyone will receive a deputy salary and there will be no one to rally.
    *
    The total population of Georgia (excluding partially recognized states of South Ossetia and Abkhazia) as of January 1, 2019 amounted to 3 people ... (Wiki)
    what
  8. +6
    26 June 2019 06: 29
    In principle - everything is correct, but Samsonov’s pitch ... laughing
    1. +5
      26 June 2019 07: 35
      Quote: Krasnodar
      In principle - everything is correct, but Samsonov’s pitch ... laughing

      I agree!
      I’ll add from myself. The author, deliberately or unknowingly, kept silent about a number of ugly maneuvers of Russia in relation to Kakheti. For example, no one wondered where our Russian hero and associate of the great Suvorov, the Georgian Prince Bagration came from? And the appearance of his house is just one of the dark spots in the history of our Fatherland ...
      In fact, this story is not alone and although it does not change the situation in essence, but in general it affects the picture ...
      For 16-18 centuries, the Georgian principalities played on the contradictions of Turkey and Persia, while not abandoning attempts to introduce the third dominant in the political game - Russia! Moreover, according to all the kings of Georgia, the role assigned to Russia was in the casuistic strengthening of their independence or nominal vassality ... The rulers of Russia did not agree to this over and over again. The exception is Peter the Great and his great-grandson Paul. Despite the author’s article, Gordeev’s knot was cut not by Catherine the Great, but by her grandson Alexander ... But his solution was not tracing the Finnish question, but "traditional", which infringed on the aspirations of the Georgian elites.
      Regards, Vlad!
      1. +3
        26 June 2019 07: 52
        Knowing a little Georgian mentality - not surprised)) hi
        1. +2
          26 June 2019 09: 44
          The point is not even the mentality of the proud rulers of the Georgians. Although in our Soviet and modern Georgian historiographic literature the factor “the incredible suffering and hardships of the elites of the latter from allegiance to Christianity” prevails. The real picture was completely different .... The kings and princes of Kakheti, Imereti and others easily changed both citizenship (Persia or Turkey) and faith. It all depended on who lies in the Caucasus! Sometimes it came to senility within Persia, the rulers of Georgia professed Islam, returning home - Christianity .... In addition, more than once and more than two Georgian principalities participated in the suppression of Christian uprisings both within the Ottoman Port and the civil wars of the Persian padishahs. Including in the massacre of Armenians during the civil strife in Persia in the 20s - 30s of the 18th century.
          The Russian historian Averkova wrote on the 100th anniversary of Georgia’s entry into the Russian Empire that at the time the Georgian question was resolved, the elite of the latter was so abstracted from its own people that it would be a crime for Russia to abandon the state of things. I dare to suggest more - Catherine the Great was contemptuous of the Kakheti and Imereti rulers, more than once or twice noted in their letters to Potemkin their pettiness, greed and treachery. At the same time, in her manifestos, she noted the need for assistance to the Georgian people. I repeat, this was one of the factors of creating not the Georgian kingdom, but Tiflis governorship within Russia.
          Although I have already noted above that Russia, for the sake of its interests, more than once and more than two “threw” Georgians under the rink of Turks and Persians! By the way, the gift of Anna Ioannovna of Persia in the form of the western and south-western coasts of the Caspian Sea, in principle, I consider nothing as a betrayal of the geopolitical interests of Russia and the allied Georgian principalities. On the other hand, all our maneuvers led Georgians to Russia to migrate to Russia. Up to royal families. By the way, the latter honestly served their new homeland. The most striking representative is P. Bagration, who inscribed his name on the glorious pages of Russia!
          Regards, Vlad!
          P.S. Alas, today's work of the Author is not a sad next set of one-sided patriotic theses. In fact, the tracing-paper of what the Natsiks are promoting in modern Georgia. My opinion is that history does not like extreme opinions and judgments, though somewhere in the middle.
          1. +3
            26 June 2019 10: 15
            And the truth is as follows:
            In the West, better medicine, tighter control over the quality of products, a more honest (if out of politics) judicial system and better higher education.
            That is, the average "little man" is much better there. Therefore, the pro-Western choice of Georgians is not surprising.
            However, the western way of life provides for practicality and pragmatism. That is, if Russian markets are closer to me than European ones and my brands are more recognizable to them, I will beg for customs exemptions from the Russian Federation, I will fight for every tourist, I will have Russian schools, Slavic studies departments, I will lure Russian tourists all generations and any level of wallet, etc. At the same time, I will be friends with Ukraine - also tourists and consumers of Borjomi. I will make preferential taxation for the Turks, who will open their factories with me that produce products for Turkey. At the same time, I will be friends with America, Iran and Israel - I don’t care where the money and investors come from? Remembering that my biggest and closest and most real consumer is Russia.
            This is Western thinking - creating a good economy for the sake of social and legal support for the citizens of my country.
            Nationalist high-haters, xenophobia, fawning over the States due to hostile actions towards their biggest client will lead to power and enrich only a small political group of interested people, using disgusting slogans that are pleasant to the sloppy layers of the population and / or youngsters.
            Orientation to the West alone will not give anything - the dough and serious investments in a small, few interesting post-Soviet country will not bring exactly. hi
            1. +4
              26 June 2019 11: 31
              In the West, better medicine, tighter control over the quality of products, a more honest (if out of politics) judicial system and better higher education.

              Propaganda myth, firmly entrenched in the minds of Russians.
              Firstly, the "west" is a huge conglomerate of countries from Romania and Estonia to the USA and Switzerland, each of which has its own customs and traditions.
              Secondly, over the years of "democratic" reforms, we have literally copied the average "Western" health care system, food quality control, the judicial system and the higher education system. And this copy works just like the original. Not better or worse.
              I have lived in Europe for several years and have repeatedly encountered phenomena attributed to propaganda exclusively to Russia, and vice versa, in recent years in St. Petersburg, I am very surprised by many things. Most of Europe does not even dream of such medicine as in St. Petersburg, the products in the Russian supermarket are no worse than in the Finnish one, with two exceptions - milk and fish. And this is connected not with poor control, but with the unwillingness of the domestic elite to invest in modern processing plants, because the national idea is to steal and dump. It is not the "West" that is to blame for this, and it is not Gorbachev. We ourselves became such when we betrayed our ideals and destroyed the only viable project based not on exploitation and robbery of our own kind.
              1. +1
                26 June 2019 11: 41
                I lived 25 years in Israel and half a year in Germany. I visited Romania in the 91st passage, I was not in Estonia and, most likely, I will not.
                I don’t even want to comment on healthcare. About Peter - the institute of proton therapy is equipped according to international standards - I don’t know what it really is. The EMDIP Burdenko Military Field Hospital in St. Petersburg was not bad by any standards, especially in everything related to neurosurgery, but there were plenty of gadgets there. I will not argue about the judicial system either, for the same reason - the only thing you are right about is that with an expensive, competent lawyer, your chances of winning in the West are always greater.
                About food ... well laughing ... let's not.
            2. +2
              26 June 2019 11: 39
              Something I can not agree with you. Let me first know you lived in the west? Or do you judge him only by the media and travel brochures? Better medicine? Than where? or than when? In Israel, without a doubt, the best medicine in the world .. but Israel is Israel and not the West. Control over the quality of products and the environment, forgive me, too, are you a delusion? Are you frankly in captivity of propaganda, or do you think that the growth of popularity of Ecoparties comes from a good life?) The judicial system, forgive me, but you are clearly only familiar with its outer side. When people are thrown into the street without a means of subsistence by a court order, this is perfection right? About the "quality" of education, you are also heresy .. yes, there are strong universities in Europe, but in the USA they also exist, yes there are conditions for the recognition of only a certain education ... but about some kind of dominance of Western education ... this is, forgive, frank nonsense ...
              Z.Y. I personally lived in the Czech Republic for 10 years. Are you Mr. Krasnodar?
              1. +1
                26 June 2019 12: 04
                25 years in Israel, half a year in Germany. The best medicine in the world, according to my data, is in the USA. Its availability is another matter.
                Israel is the West. And Singapore is the West. Though both in the east. Control over food products - I don’t know how in the Czech Republic, I think it can be agreed there, as, in some cases, in East Germany, but in Bavaria and Israel, this will work out. Moreover, if you feel something wrong in chicken soup, take it to the laboratory and there they will find an antibiotic - you can easily remove rubles for our money from the supermarket that sold you the chicken, and in Germany it is possible to cover both the chicken coop and the supermarket.
                Further, the judicial system - well, ok, here you can bail a couple of cents for a year, bail, postpone, restructure debt - but then they are surprised - why do we have such a high bank interest on loans? ))) And because the percentage of non-return is frantic!
                Higher education - a university, in which you can go through a session for money - already garbage. In Russia, most are. And there are also universities where you are being bribed. And you will get for a bribe in almost any. Next - the annual budget of Columbia University in New York to you to announce? A third of the annual budget of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for 2018. Salaries, cuts, etc.
                I don’t know how the Czech Republic is there, but I think that you would live in Munich, I would understand hi
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                  26 June 2019 13: 21
                  Moreover, if you feel something wrong in chicken soup, take it to the laboratory and there they will find an antibiotic - you can easily remove rubles for our money from the supermarket that sold you the chicken, and in Germany it is possible to cover both the chicken coop and the supermarket.

                  If you can afford laboratory testing of soup and the services of a lawyer. And if the antibiotic is not on the list of allowed. And you know, most likely, by a strange set of circumstances, at that very moment, the antibiotic of chickens will be prescribed by a licensed veterinarian, due to the risk of infection of chickens with a terrible disease that came from the east.
                  In Lidl supermarkets there are 3 types of chicken - regular, deluxe and eco-bio super duper. With a 5-fold difference in price. What do you think this is connected with?
                  1. 0
                    26 June 2019 22: 17
                    I don’t know the supermarket chain you mentioned, but with antibiotics in Israel everything is easier - they give one expensive vaccination to the chicken and that’s all))
                    Then his whole life (the rest) is not touched
                    Attorney - Interest
                    Laboratory - a maximum of 17 thousand rubles, I think, in the region of 10, if not less
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  12. +1
    26 June 2019 07: 03
    Good is quickly forgotten, especially in the modern world.
  13. +1
    26 June 2019 07: 43
    Prussia, too, has been knocked out and knocked out to ... Where is it? Is it hard for someone to live from this now? They shared it and there is now the glorious city of Kaliningrad ...
  14. +1
    26 June 2019 07: 49
    I read somewhere somewhere that when the Georgians requested Russia, there were only 250 of them left. Russia really saved them from complete destruction.
    1. +2
      26 June 2019 12: 12
      I read that 40 thousand
  15. +2
    26 June 2019 07: 55
    In general, all according to the well-known aphorism - do not do good, you will not get evil.
  16. +5
    26 June 2019 08: 03
    Well, no, Mr. author, that's enough for us Georgians. You somehow ignored the fact that after its independence Georgia acted as an enemy. During the First-Second Chechen War, Georgia was essentially a rear and a transshipment base for the Vakhs. All their independence they acted as territory hostile to Russia. So, even if Georgians begin to be exterminated again, we shouldn't even move like rodents. The "era of mercy" at the expense of the Russian people is over. Let in which case, with a knife at the throat, pray to their American gods. By the way, Stalin is in the opinion of the Georgian-Ossetians.
    Georgia is a cargo on the neck, unnecessary and taxic.
    1. 0
      4 July 2019 22: 20
      Not only should we not move, we must help and restore historical justice from 250 to 40 thousand people. Do to people what they do to you and your loved ones and do threefold - all will be happy.
  17. +2
    26 June 2019 08: 05
    Georgians decided to seek happiness in the western part of the world. After 5 years They will tearfully ask to enter the orbit of Russia's influence.
    1. 0
      27 June 2019 14: 45
      Quote: AlexeyD
      Georgians decided to seek happiness in the western part of the world. After 5 years They will tearfully ask to enter the orbit of Russia's influence.

      will definitely! only it is necessary not to touch them for some time at all and not to mention in vain. five to ten years
      1. 0
        4 July 2019 22: 23
        Turkey to lease for several generations, and then how it goes.
  18. 0
    26 June 2019 09: 03
    An example of Russia is an example of unfavorable treatment of ward populations. They always understand a good attitude as weakness and sit on their necks. The British system remained more effective: to flog, hang, shoot from cannons. And until now, in all the former British colonies, English is the state language, the elite follows British traditions, and studies in Britain. Athletes play cricket and rugby, and military units continue to wear regalia, deserved in battles for the interests of Britain.
    1. +2
      26 June 2019 12: 15
      Even if not quite so, the British are still respected. In Jordan, military bands still parade with bagpipes, in Israel uniforms and berets are molded from the old English uniforms, and they still shoot solitary in the IDF as the British taught and SAS marching throws still run all infantry and special forces)) .
  19. +3
    26 June 2019 09: 23
    In the XNUMXth century, the Georgian kingdom became an isolated Christian country in a hostile environment.
    The 15th century is from 1400 to 1499.
    At the same time, an official story says that
    In 1386 year Tamerlan captured Georgia and closed Tokhtamysh all the way to Iran. ...
    Well, the truth is like the "Georgian king" either started a partisan war, or begged for forgiveness from Tamerlane, or both. Tamerlane, like, forgave him, then again began to "get angry" and again took Tbilisi, which had already been captured by him. hi
    And again, according to the traditional version of history, until 1335, Georgian lands were part of the state of Ilkhanov.
    So, until 1335, Georgia was not yet; since 1386, Georgia was no longer there.
  20. 0
    26 June 2019 09: 34
    Russophobia must be a very expensive product. If you suck it in or you take it yourself to please your master, you need to understand that you will pay for it very dearly.
    Georgians still do not understand this. 20% of the territory has already hopelessly lost, now they will pay with money.
    On the other hand, there is something to learn from the Georgians. More precisely, if you establish a peaceful life and service, then even in such a region you can earn a lot of money. An example to our Caucasus ...
  21. +1
    26 June 2019 09: 43
    Quote: Olgovich
    It was Russia that saved Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, Armenia, Georgia, Serbia from the terrible fate

    All-Russian Emperor Alexander II the Liberator, entering with his army on the territory of Bulgaria in 1877, was shocked by the high standard of living of the Bulgarian peasants, their strong houses, rich orchards and vineyards, white bread on the table.
    “Whom did we come to set free?”
    He asked. -
    After all, “brothers” live under the Turkish yoke many times better than Russian peasants".

    S.P. Botkin noted his impression of the Bulgarians in July 1877:
    “There was a conversation over tea about how the Turks ruined the Bulgarians; I cannot doubt the validity of these stories, but I must admit that until now I myself could not be convinced of this; here in Belaya the people look very richly furnished: what a mass of cattle, bread, and what! - after all, in one ear you can count up to 50 large grains. In our Mogilev province, peasants, compared with the local people, are poor; what horses, oxen, are here among peasants! ”

    Also S.P. Botkin described in his letters that many contemporaries either were silent or did not think about:
    "... But ask him for a soldier of wine or bread, so one answer: -" dumb! ".

    Another example cited by S.P. Botkin deserves more attention:
    “Cases like the other day a whole transport of patients was thrown on the road by the Bulgarians, who harnessed their oxen and left with them in the field, referring to the fact that the ox, having stood without food for XNUMX hours at the dressing station, cannot reach Bulgarin” .

    In another letter in October 1877, S.P. Botkin questioned the need to free the Bulgarians:
    “Is there still little blood, little misfortune, little disaster? Who needs all this? "To the unfortunate little brothers who are looking at us almost with hatred, sending us curses and wicked wishes?! .."

    V.V. Vereshchagin mentioned in a similar vein:
    “It was great, however, the surprise of our troops when they found comparative satisfaction and prosperity everywhere, and the farther, the more clean and tidy the houses, especially urban houses, were full of granaries, bins filled with all sorts of good! Involuntarily appeared and began to speak out the idea that in vain "we cover someone else's roof when our own hut flows" ... ".

    Famous writer and critic A.V. The amphitheaters left virtually direct mention of the evolution of ideas about the Bulgarians among some contemporaries:
    “When ... our fathers, uncles, older brothers carried their wild heads for Bulgarian freedom ... we know what a surprise, close to disappointment, befell the participants of this crusade upon their arrival in oppressed Bulgaria. Waited to see people naked and barefoot, without shelter, without food, devastated villages, trampled fields, chains, corpses, scaffolds. Instead, they saw fat pastries, vineyards, valleys of roses and a rich peasant-skopidom who looked like a wolf at the liberators and tore at them exorbitant prices for every chicken, for every glass of wine, for every piece of bread ”

    In July 1877, M.A. Gazenkampf wrote in his diary:
    “... now we already notice a general disappointment in the Bulgarians, from the highest spheres to ordinary soldiers. Firstly, there was no notorious ruin, but on the contrary, such a prosperity to which, I repeat, the Russian peasants are far from a celestial star. "
    In another part of the diary, he mentioned the hospitable
    The “completely untouched” village of Ivanche, whose inhabitants are “obviously wealthy.” "Bread, fodder, cattle, various birds - plenty."

    The rest of us "liberated" are about the same.
    1. +2
      26 June 2019 13: 04
      During the various wars of Russia there were different goals and different nations with which we provided assistance, no one takes off the state’s colonial policy from the agenda. But what does Bulgaria have to do with Georgia? Has Georgia flourished?
      Maybe there are a lot of clichés in the article, but if the essence changes, you can write a clearer article from the professional side, add, for example, that small states on the territory of modern Georgia, apart from invasions from Turkey and Iran, were constantly raided by the Highlanders of the North Caucasus in order to rob and seize slaves. After the security belt was established here, by means of the Russian troops, the hikes moved to the north.
      But the essence does not change, but what independence has given Georgia, we have been observing the last 20 years.
      Although it is probably their choice and they live with it.
      And we draw conclusions and do not step on the same rake.
    2. +4
      26 June 2019 19: 11
      Maybe the Emperor "All-Russian Alexander II the Liberator" should have organized the same standard of living for the peasants?
      1. -1
        27 June 2019 08: 38
        Quote: Kronos
        Maybe the Emperor "All-Russian Alexander II the Liberator" should have organized the same standard of living for the peasants?
        Can. But at that time such a standard of living was achieved for centuries. It is in our time, Singapore for 30 years from this very has turned into candy. And then 30 years is a considerable period.
    3. 0
      3 July 2019 11: 52
      If you look at the 1877-78 map of hostilities, you will see that the Russian imperial army marched through the areas poorly affected by the pogroms of the April uprising of 1876. Those areas where the uprising had a mass character were completely devastated and deserted. The army must be fed and the Russian command was clear that provisions could be supplied from where they are. During the Liberation War, the Turks also devastated those regions from which the Russian army was forced to temporarily retreat. For example, Stara Zagora was turned into ashes! There were more than 30 carved out of the local population who did not manage to escape before the arrival of the Turks.
      The relative well-being and prosperity of the Bulgarians in northern Bulgaria, speaks of the proverbial diligence of this agricultural people. Porta robbed Christians recklessly! Paying a lot of taxes, Bulgarians managed to feed all the same and their family. Fortunately the land and climate of Bulgaria contribute to good harvests.
      Many reports from that time mention the tremendous help that the local population of the Russian army provided.
      Deputy: The village of Ivancha (Central Region of the Danube Plain) is a very old settlement. One of the few surviving for centuries. Turkish registers are mentioned with 1430, 1585 and 1618 under the names Jovandja and Jovancha. In 1844, he built the hell of "St. George ".
      It is like an explanation in connection with your comment, although it is not clear how it relates to the topic of Georgia ?!
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    1. +1
      26 June 2019 19: 12
      Yalta order disappeared with the USSR
  23. 0
    26 June 2019 13: 37
    Here it is not necessary to save anyone, this thankless job ...
  24. +2
    26 June 2019 16: 20
    It seems that the prosperity of Georgia needs Russia, not the Georgians themselves. The same applies to almost all Union republics. May they choke on poverty and slavery. Maybe then they themselves will mature, and we will see if they are worthy to live with us in one state. In the meantime, we ourselves need to think about our well-being, and not climb into the wilds of others.
  25. +1
    26 June 2019 19: 43
    I don’t agree with the last pass, why do we need a rake for the second time, why Russia is a poor Georgia, let them tumble
  26. 0
    26 June 2019 19: 46
    save first, and then neither thank you nor sorry
  27. 0
    29 June 2019 01: 10
    All these things are bygone days and irrelevant. In 1918, a line was drawn under those relations of the two peoples, and a new stage began.
    And in 1921, Soviet Russia, alas, really occupied Georgia. What the then leaders of the RSFSR did not hide.
    1. 0
      4 July 2019 22: 05
      So it was necessary, Comrade Michelson.
  28. 0
    4 July 2019 22: 09
    Enough to talk about the Good and the historical role of Russia, amuse yourself and be touched by the deeds of ancestors.
    It's time to tear the skin! And, thank God, there are already examples. Who agrees?
    1. -1
      4 July 2019 22: 33
      It’s good that there are examples. I hope that the quantity will turn into merciless quality over time. If only the priests with their hypocritical mercy did not climb.
  29. 0
    30 August 2019 23: 16
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: svp67
    As a result of this, with the permission of the "occupation", the people of Georgia survived and developed, its inhabitants were not slaves, but full members of the community ..

    It can be clarified that ALL nations that Russia did not have time to "occupy" (liberate) from the ports were cut out, exterminated and assimilated in 1915-1922.

    It was Russia that saved Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, Armenia, Georgia, Serbia from the terrible fate, and only because of it do they exist.
    Quote: svp67
    Do not do good so as not to receive ingratitude

    Such is our Russia, cannot but do GOOD.

    this is not true. All these people lived under the Turks for hundreds of years and they had norms, many of them even occupied the highest posts in the empire, there, the grand viziers were almost all from the Balkans. Further, why weren't the Kurds, Arabs, Berbers and other "not liberated" exterminated? that's it. The Turks did not exterminate anyone, no matter how our "historians" would like to assert it.
  30. 0
    30 August 2019 23: 17
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Procyon Lotor
    А Is possible to clarify exactly which peoples were cut, exterminated and assimilated in 1915-1922. I could not find any materials on this subject.

    You can: open up topics: the genocide of Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, etc.

    only now they were not there, and all these peoples still exist and they have norms (Assyrians were few even before the Turks, oh, amazingly how).
  31. 0
    30 August 2019 23: 18
    The joke is that the Georgians were normal under the Ottomans and Persians, no one destroyed them and did not oppress them - the Turks didn’t care at all, if only they paid tribute, and in Iran, the Georgians often held high posts and they also had norms. Amazing nearby.
  32. 0
    30 August 2019 23: 31
    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    The point is not even the mentality of the proud rulers of the Georgians. Although in our Soviet and modern Georgian historiographic literature the factor “the incredible suffering and hardships of the elites of the latter from allegiance to Christianity” prevails. The real picture was completely different .... The kings and princes of Kakheti, Imereti and others easily changed both citizenship (Persia or Turkey) and faith. It all depended on who lies in the Caucasus! Sometimes it came to senility within Persia, the rulers of Georgia professed Islam, returning home - Christianity .... In addition, more than once and more than two Georgian principalities participated in the suppression of Christian uprisings both within the Ottoman Port and the civil wars of the Persian padishahs. Including in the massacre of Armenians during the civil strife in Persia in the 20s - 30s of the 18th century.
    The Russian historian Averkova wrote on the 100th anniversary of Georgia’s entry into the Russian Empire that at the time the Georgian question was resolved, the elite of the latter was so abstracted from its own people that it would be a crime for Russia to abandon the state of things. I dare to suggest more - Catherine the Great was contemptuous of the Kakheti and Imereti rulers, more than once or twice noted in their letters to Potemkin their pettiness, greed and treachery. At the same time, in her manifestos, she noted the need for assistance to the Georgian people. I repeat, this was one of the factors of creating not the Georgian kingdom, but Tiflis governorship within Russia.
    Although I have already noted above that Russia, for the sake of its interests, more than once and more than two “threw” Georgians under the rink of Turks and Persians! By the way, the gift of Anna Ioannovna of Persia in the form of the western and south-western coasts of the Caspian Sea, in principle, I consider nothing as a betrayal of the geopolitical interests of Russia and the allied Georgian principalities. On the other hand, all our maneuvers led Georgians to Russia to migrate to Russia. Up to royal families. By the way, the latter honestly served their new homeland. The most striking representative is P. Bagration, who inscribed his name on the glorious pages of Russia!
    Regards, Vlad!
    P.S. Alas, today's work of the Author is not a sad next set of one-sided patriotic theses. In fact, the tracing-paper of what the Natsiks are promoting in modern Georgia. My opinion is that history does not like extreme opinions and judgments, though somewhere in the middle.

    1 - Iranian shahanshahs, to be precise (شاهنشاه), as they usually called themselves (and even more so in the described period), as well as the title "padishah" (protector of the throne) was taken by the sultans of Port and the rulers of the Mughals.

    2 - in the 20s-30s of the 18th century, Nadir Shah ruled Iran (he was not a shah until 1736, but in fact he had all the power) and he fought with the Turks and Afghans, this doesn’t look very much like a feud, right? and there was no massacre of Armenians there.

    3 - instead of the abolished principalities, governorship was done for a simple reason - so that the vassals would not suddenly change their master again and complicate the life of the troops in the region, because after Heraclius it became clear that it was simply impossible to deal with them. Although this clan is generally a unique character, what can I say.

    4 - Anna Ioannovna didn’t give anything, she returned the territories recently occupied by the Russians to Iran, and she did the right thing - it would be a little unreasonable to fight with Nadir Shah, and this laid a bomb under his authority in the Caucasus and led to the Caucasian campaign, which ended in disaster and led to the Shah's death, so that, although they could not have foreseen this, they turned out to be right.
  33. 0
    30 August 2019 23: 42
    Quote: Seal
    Quote

    Yes, it's true. Even the Arabs conquered the Caucasus, in fact.
  34. 0
    18 October 2019 13: 17
    Evil people, but worthless, write here different vulgarities about Georgia. About I.V. Stalin, including that he is allegedly Ossetian. In Georgia, in the villages of Kardenakhi, Anaga, Tibania, and others, many Dzhugashvili live, this is an ancient Georgian surname and the truth goes back thousands of years. Georgia has done a lot for Russia, this is known. My advice is not to write nonsense, because of this you stink. Archives 36-37 years closed tightly, one wonders why? May truth celebrate.