Franz Joseph Fire Maul

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New "fortress killer"


A lot has been said about the German “Big Bertha”, one of the most destructive weapons of the First World War era. The Austrian 12-inch - “Miracle Emma”, or “Austrian Bertha” is less known.


Austro-Hungarian 305-mm mortar




But this high-quality modern weapon was one of the most powerful in its class, being actively used by both the Austro-Hungarian and German armies during the First World War 1914-1918. In particular, the Austrian 305-graph paper shattered the Belgian fortress, actively worked on the Ivangorod, Kovno and Verdun fortresses, effectively acted on the Italian front, fought in Serbia, in the Dardanelles and Palestine.


Demonstration of guns in front of Turkish dignitaries in Constantinople, 1916


Like Germany, Austria-Hungary in connection with the lessons of the preceding (especially the Russian-Japanese 1904-1905) wars attached great importance to heavy artillery. It was believed that the role of heavy artillery would be very great, not only in the fight against the fortresses, but also in the field war. Especially as in the latter field defenses, barriers and other targets appeared, against which a field gun grenade could be powerless. Accordingly, a lot of effort was put into these states and a lot of money was spent in order to have quantitatively powerful heavy artillery and to provide it with means of fast moving. And, to the best of its economic and production possibilities, Austria-Hungary tried to follow this concept.



The “Miracle Emma”, as the 12-inch howitzer was later called, became the pinnacle of an artillery pyramid. Let's look at the tactical and technical data of 305-mm mortars of the 1911 model modified in 1916. With a weight of 290 kg and its initial speed 407 meters per second, the gun had a range of fire 11 km, and degrees of horizontal and vertical shelling plus or minus 60 and 40-75, respectively (for comparison, the 420-mm of the German Bertha has 10 and 30-70). The weight of the gun in the combat position - 20900 kg, which is half the size of the German 420-mm "Bertha" (42600 kg).


305 mm mortar. The shell of this weapon "forms a funnel in which the corpses of five horses can fit"


But about everything in order, especially since this wonderful weapon had several modifications.

From M-11 to M-16.


Although the presence of Russian fortresses, the “keys” of the highly probable Eastern Front (Osovets, Novogeorgiyevsk, Ivangorod), was an important incentive for starting work on large-gauge mortars for the Austro-Hungarian command, the gun was “obliged” by its origin ... to the then Partner in the Triple Alliance - Italy. The latter, immediately after the end of the Russian-Japanese war, took up work to modernize its fortresses - especially in terms of rebooking and enhancing the fire resistance of armor towers and other defensive elements.

At the beginning of the XX century. The General Staff of the Army of the Dual Monarchy was concerned about the intensive construction of Italian border fortifications. In an effort to have in the future a weighty fire argument in the event of very likely complications in relations with Italy, the leadership of the General Staff instructs the Military Technical Commission to develop tactical and technical requirements for a new mortar capable of crushing the promising defenses of the Italians. Requirements were developed in 1907, and according to them, the mortar should have 305 mm caliber, projectile mass to 300 kg, range of fire to 8000 m, and the ability to work at 2-km altitude (the latter should have been during mountainous War surprise for Italians). Increased demands were placed on the mobility of this tool - regardless of its caliber. And it was not surprising: Austria-Hungary, preparing for the war on the 2 (and even on the 3) front, wanted to get a weapon that could relatively quickly overcome hundreds of kilometers - moving from Galicia to the mountains of Italy, and back. For this functionality, both the limited budget possibilities and the rapid growth of the empire's engine-building and automotive industries worked.

The order for the development of guns at the start of 1908 was given to Skoda-Werke AG, a monopolist in the field of heavy artillery systems for the Austro-Hungarian army.

In 1910, the prototype was presented for testing. At the beginning of 1912, the Ministry of War decides on the allocation of funds for the manufacture of 24-305-mm mortars, designated 30,5, see MÖrser M. 11. And by the beginning of World War I, Skoda-Werke AG handed over the last mortar from the series ordered in 1912 to representatives of the Austro-Hungarian army. During the war years, 44 mortars of this system were released.



Mortar had a steel barrel length 10 calibers. The length of the rifled part of the barrel was 6,7 caliber. In the barrel bore 68 was made cutting of a constant slope. The barrel bore was locked using the latest prismatic wedge gate. The mass of the barrel reached 5930 kg.



The barrel was installed in the cradle of the clip-on type attached to the cast machine. Two recoil hydraulic brakes mounted above the barrel, as well as a pneumatic knurler located under the barrel, were used as anti-recoil devices. The lifting mechanism of the machine allowed the gun to be aimed in a vertical plane in the range of angles from 0 ° to + 75 °. In the horizontal position, the instrument was loaded, and in this position, the barrel rested on a special stop mounted on the machine bed. Shooting was conducted at elevation angles from + 40 ° to + 75 °.



Pointing guns in the horizontal plane was carried out by turning the machine on a chase, fastened with bolts on a steel platform platform. The worm-turn mechanism allowed the gun to be directed in the ± 60 ° sector. On the part of the breech on the machine were fixed guides for trays with projectiles and powder charges.



Mortar weight in the combat position was 18730 kg. Modified in 1916, mortars (M. 11 / 16), which had increased the strength of the machine and the platform platform, weighed in combat 20900 kg.




Initially, only the high-explosive shells of M. 11 / 9 with a mass of 385,3 kg, containing 38,3 kg of explosives, were released to the mortar. Shooting was conducted using four variable charges. When firing a full charge, the projectile had an initial speed of 370 m / s, and the firing range was 9600 m. During the war, in order to increase the firing range to 11000 m, a so-called "light" high-explosive projectile with a mass of 290,8 kg containing 34,8 kg of explosive was introduced. Its initial speed was 407 m / s. The shell left in the ground funnels with a depth of 8,8 m, pierced 3 meter brick wall and 22-cm concrete masonry.


The explosion of 305-mm grenades.




The 300-kg shrapnel shell containing 16,4 kg of explosives and 2200 shrapnel bullets was an exceptionally powerful means of defeating manpower. The firing range - also 11000 m. 2-3 such shells were enough to thwart the attack of the whole regiment.

When designing a mortar, the transportation of the gun was planned to be carried out only with the use of mechanical traction — wheeled tractor M. 12 from Daimler. Mortar disassembled into three parts, which formed the 3 carriage: a receiver carriage, a carriage carriage and a carriage with a platform platform. The cooperation of Skoda and Austro Daimler was an important key to success in the mechanization of Emma's Miracle.

Franz Joseph Fire Maul


At first, it was believed that a single wheeled tractor would be enough to tow all 3's vehicles. Then they came to the conclusion that it would be more correct if the tractor tows the 2 carriage, and as more and more trucks arrive at the mortar batteries, the final scheme is taken - the 1 tractor tows the vehicle.




The most important element of the fire control system were units of tethered balloons attached to mortar batteries.



Parseval serving the “motor battery”, photo after 1917


Mortars M. 11 used by the Austro-Hungarian army on the Russian and Italian fronts (about it - further). Usually they were in service with individual mortar batteries of special power - motorized or “motor batteries”. Each battery had 2 guns and 6 tractors. The batteries could be included in the artillery battalions and regiments (as in the German army) - first of all, the fortress artillery (the flagship was the Krakow fortress). During the war, “motor batteries” were separated from the artillery pieces — this allowed them to be quickly transferred to the aid of the German allies (for example, the Krakow fortress sent 2 to Belgium from their 4 batteries, receiving, in turn, 2 batteries from Vienna) or grouped as powerful fire resource in the hands of the High Command. The confusion of the initial period of the war led to the fact that, for example, the Balkan Front in August 1914 did not receive a single “motor battery”.



There are also known cases of the use of "wandering" tools. For example, during a battle in the valley of the river. Isonzo in 1917 was pushed one mortar into the neutral zone at night, and 15 gunfire destroyed the railway station where the Italian troops were landing. After successfully completing the task, the mortar was transferred to the marching position and returned to the location even before dawn. However, such operations did not always end safely.


305-mm Skoda on the position.


Tactical and technical characteristics of the M. 11 were as follows: barrel length - 10 caliber; highest angle of elevation + 75 degrees; declination angle - 0 degrees; horizontal angle of attack - 120 degrees; weight in the fighting position - 18730 kg; weight in the stowed position - 27950 kg; high-explosive projectile weight - 385,3 kg; the initial velocity of the projectile - 370 m / s .; the longest firing range is 9600 m.


"Vidocq through mortar castle."


The use of the M. 11 in combat conditions quickly revealed their main shortcomings - the small firing range, the insufficient strength of the machine and the foundation platform, and the small sector of shooting. Therefore, along with the modernization of mortars M. 11 to the level of M. 11 / 16, Skoda-Werke AG began to develop a new 305-mm mortar, adopted by the Austro-Hungarian army in 1916, and was designated M. 16.

First of all, to increase the firing range, the designers extended the barrel to 12 calibers and changed the mass of the variable powder charges upwards. Using the same projectiles that M. 11 fired at, this made it possible to increase the initial velocity of the projectiles to 380 - 450 m / s, and the firing range - to 11100 - 12300 m.



Carriage with recoil devices designed anew. Instead of the cradle of the overload type, a trough-shaped cradle was used, and the system of recoil devices was placed under the barrel. This system consisted of two hydraulic recoil brakes and a pneumatic knurler. The improved lifting mechanism allowed the gun to be directed in a vertical plane in the range of angles from -5 ° to + 75 °, shooting was carried out at elevation angles greater than + 40 °.



A new mobile base platform was designed. It installed a ball epaulet, on which the machine gun was mounted. In this way circular fire was assured.

The changes made to the mortar design led to an increase in its mass to 22824 kg.



In the stowed position, it was also divided into 3 units, which formed a barrel wagon (11240 kg), a launcher cart (11830 kg) and a wagon with a platform platform (11870 kg). Each of these carts on a hike was towed by a “personal” tractor M. 12 with an engine up to 100 l. with.


100-strong "Austro Daimler"


Before the end of World War I, Skoda-Werke AG managed to release 29 type M mortars. 16.



Tactical and technical characteristics of the M. 16: barrel length - 12 caliber; the largest elevation angle is + 75 degrees; declination angle - - 5 degrees; horizontal angle of attack - 360 degrees; weight in the fighting position - 22824 kg; weight in the stowed position - 39940 kg; high-explosive projectile weight - 385,3 kg; the initial velocity of the projectile - 380 m / s .; the longest firing range is 11100 m.


Steel platform ready for transport.

Motorized large-caliber result


What conclusions can be made?

1) The Škoda concern, the brainchild of which was the 12-inch, one of the leaders in the creation and production of super-powered guns, produced one of the best tools of its time for its time of great power. The Emma Miracle projectile was able to overcome the most powerful defense. 2) Mortar, despite its caliber, belonged to mobile artillery systems. When developing this tool, special attention was paid to the issue of transportation of this howitzer. As we noted above, the 305-mm howitzer was divided into 3 main parts - and the possibility of transporting the Austro Daimler tractor over long distances to its gun carriage and trunk, was originally incorporated into the project. By the way, for these purposes tractors were used for the first time. 3) Mechanized thrust has significantly increased the functionality of the Austrian Bert batteries. The gunners, who were seated on each tractor tractor, also performed a useful function - primarily by controlling the brakes. Assembly winches, shells, tools and even a special mobile workshop, fire control devices, documentation, food and other property were transported by additional tractors.


In the lower figure, there is a way to detach the trolley from the platform.


The gun was one of the first, originally designed as a mobile artillery unit. And not a single army in the world at that time had a mobile tool of such great power. Austria-Hungary was not only among the powers best prepared to fight against fortified areas and enemy fortresses, it became an innovator in the organization of super-heavy motorized artillery.


Platform installation


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  1. +33
    24 June 2019 18: 18
    To go nuts! Such a mega-destructive, technically comprehensive, Death Machine at the time!
    It was in the sad Russian song from the time of World War I that there were lines that forever sunk into my Soul (since my great-grandfather Ivan, whom I remember as a tall, sinewy and almost a hundred year old strong man with big working hands, then fought at the front, exactly against Austro-Hungarians ...):
    "They will take us away, they will take us far, where heavy shells dig the earth deep ..."

    How long I will live, I will remember, together with the Feat of our fathers and grandfathers in the Great Patriotic War, the Feat of our great-grandfathers in the First World War and in the Russo-Japanese War!
    Thank you Dear Author for this Article and detailed illustrations!
    1. +5
      24 June 2019 23: 10
      In this case, you may need to learn about the 305 mm howitzer of the Obukhov plant, and about the British 305 mm howitzer of Vickers.
      1. +13
        24 June 2019 23: 52
        In this case, you might need to know about the 305mm howitzer of the Obukhov plant

        https://warspot.ru/980-russkaya-berta
        1. +3
          25 June 2019 09: 50
          hi Thank you for the link, Dear aka Square! If this Russian Internet resource in Ukraine is not blocked, then I will definitely look!
      2. +2
        25 June 2019 09: 47
        hi Thank you for the idea, Dear aka AK64! Now I read more about the howitzers of this caliber, an interesting topic!
  2. +18
    24 June 2019 18: 47
    Distinguished Austrians, innovators, well done.
    And what colossus our army stood up to, the last whistle of military engineering!
    1. +17
      24 June 2019 19: 37
      And it’s somehow customary for us to look at the Austro-Hungarian army as a second-class army, and then there are some masterpieces that come up. Know how!
      1. +2
        24 June 2019 22: 40
        The Austrians had the hardest battles with the Italians at the end
        1st World. In the Alps. Also with intensive use of artillery.
        And huge losses on both sides.
        1. +14
          24 June 2019 23: 57
          Not only at the end of WWI. The entire war was the hardest fighting in the Alps.
          In the years 1915-17. there were already 12 battles at Isonzo.
          The front moved more or less decently only in the Trentino operation (16), with Caporetto in October 17th and with Piave and Vittorio Venetto (18 years).
          1. 0
            26 June 2019 03: 17
            Yes, WWI in the Alps is a special story. There were not many decent progress, but the meat grinder worked properly throughout the war. There are a lot of traces of PMV in the mountains. And even a hefty cannon on one of the passes near Mount Marmolada. It is incomprehensible to the mind how they dragged such a burden there ... And around the rock, ice and blood.
            https://www.ski.ru/az/blogs/post/pamyat-gor-chto-pomnyat-dolomity-o-pervoi-mirovoi-voine/
    2. -9
      24 June 2019 23: 10
      In this case, you may need to learn about the 305 mm howitzer of the Obukhov plant, and about the British 305 mm howitzer of Vickers.
      1. +12
        25 June 2019 00: 19
        In this case, you may need to learn about the 305 mm howitzer of the Obukhov plant, and about the British 305 mm howitzer of Vickers.

        Find out. There is also about it
        https://warspot.ru/980-russkaya-berta
  3. +17
    24 June 2019 19: 22
    The five-story building is 11 meters and the funnel is 8,8. Almost
    Yeah. The technique is cool, you can’t say anything
    1. -15
      24 June 2019 23: 12
      My boja. .... What a delight ....

      Well, for you
      In this case, you may need to learn about the 305 mm howitzer of the Obukhov plant, and about the British 305 mm howitzer of Vickers.

      The author simply "forgot" to mention other samples.
      The howitzers of the Obukhov plant still fired at Connenberg, in 1945
      1. +14
        24 June 2019 23: 51
        The author simply "forgot" to mention other samples.
        The howitzers of the Obukhov plant still fired at Connenberg, in 1945

        why do you think you forgot? Just probably everything has its place and attention
        This is common about heavy artillery.
        https://topwar.ru/107456-gaubicy-maksimalnyh-kalibrov.html
        https://topwar.ru/115568-traktornaya-i-samohodnaya.html
        This is Russian heavy artillery.
        https://topwar.ru/133011-ognevoy-molot-tretego-rima-chast-1.html
        https://topwar.ru/133013-ognevoy-molot-tretego-rima-chast-2.html
        https://topwar.ru/133014-ognevoy-molot-tretego-rima-chast-3.html
        https://warspot.ru/980-russkaya-berta
        And this is German heavy artillery
        https://topwar.ru/105962-ognevoy-kulak-vtorogo-reyha.html
        https://topwar.ru/106757-parizhskaya-pushka.html
        I’ve studied it specially for you)
  4. +14
    24 June 2019 19: 39
    The Austrians, while still in allies at the Italians squinted, preparing for the inevitable ...
    1. +14
      24 June 2019 20: 16
      Sworn friends...
  5. -17
    24 June 2019 20: 45
    The author has a split consciousness, and he calls the tool either a mortar or a howitzer. Sometimes even in one sentence.
    1. +13
      24 June 2019 20: 51
      The author has a split consciousness, and he calls the tool either a mortar or a howitzer. Sometimes even in one sentence.

      This is your clouding of reason. For that time, these are synonyms - howitzer and mortar.
      Also me, expert)
      1. -10
        24 June 2019 20: 53
        Quote: Square
        This is your clouding of reason

        Enlighten my muddy mind with a reference to the source.
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            1. +12
              24 June 2019 21: 04
              and what, the encyclopedia has become a SOURCE you our fan of headings and terms)?
              A 420-mm "Big Bertha" is a howitzer or mortar, well, explain. After all, it is also called this and that?)
              1. +12
                24 June 2019 21: 15
                Or the Soviet 280-mm mortar of the 1939 model (Br-5) was classified as both a mortar and howitzer
                1. -4
                  24 June 2019 21: 53
                  The Br-5 as part of a "triplex" on a unified gun carriage is definitely a mortar. The howitzer in this triplex was the B-4.
                2. NKT
                  -4
                  24 June 2019 22: 13
                  And who classified it as a howitzer, if it was officially adopted by the Red Army as a 280-mm mortar arr. 1939?
                  In addition, you probably know that it was created specifically as a mortar to the triplex from B-4 and Br-2.
                  1. +12
                    24 June 2019 23: 42
                    I personally met 2 classifications - both mortar and howitzer.
                    The line between them is very thin, sometimes flowing one into another. And generally speaking, legs grow more out of history
      2. -13
        24 June 2019 23: 12
        For that time, these are synonyms - howitzer and mortar.

        It is not true
        1. +12
          24 June 2019 23: 59
          Why? truth
          1. +13
            25 June 2019 00: 51
            Square (Ivan Maximov)
            For that time, these are synonyms - howitzer and mortar.

            That's right, Ivan. Moreover, this is reflected in the charters, and in organizational division.
            In the Russian army of the beginning of the 20th century and, accordingly, the era of the First World War, divisions
            122 mm light field howitzers were called mortar divisions
            1. -13
              25 June 2019 01: 21
              In the Russian army of the beginning of the 20th century and, accordingly, the era of the First World War, divisions
              122 mm light field howitzers were called mortar divisions

              In fact, they were called "heavy divisions".
              And besides, howitzers (yes, namely howitzers, and no mortars) 122 mm were not at all the largest caliber of Russian field artillery: there were 152 mm. Moreover, which is characteristic, in this caliber there were both howitzers (arr. 1909 and 1910, both Schneider) and ... mortars (152 mm field mortar arr. 1885).

              And now what to do with it - I can’t imagine.

              PS: But maybe the Austrians were not so? We look - and we see that in their official designations there are Feldkanone (field guns) Feldhaubitze (field howitzers) and .... Mörser (but this is just ... a mortar)
              The names are official. Here they are strange
              1. +14
                25 June 2019 09: 00
                I will not deny myself the pleasure of once again carving a ignoramus named AK64 (Andrei), who does not know the history of the Russian army, and crawls into the ranks
                So
                1)
                AK64
                In the Russian army of the beginning of the 20th century and, accordingly, the era of the First World War, divisions
                122 mm light field howitzers were called mortar divisions
                In fact, they were called "heavy divisions".

                AK64 deliberately mixes 2 different categories of units of the Russian army - heavy (howitzer and cannon) and mortar (exclusively howitzer) divisions.
                Heavy divisions и mortar divisions Russian army is different parts
                The heavy divisions were equipped with 107 mm (42-linear) guns and 152 mm guns and 152 mm howitzers.
                Mortar artillery divisions were equipped with light field 122 mm howitzers. And at the same time, equipped howitzerswere called mortar.
                By the way, the RGVIA has an extensive list of mortar divisions and a much shorter list of heavy divisions. In 1914, mortar divisions were (usually) 1 each in the army corps, and there were only 5 heavy divisions at the beginning of the war and they were assigned to the armies. This then their number increased, but the level is still higher.
                2) The 305-mm Skoda gun, which is discussed in the article, as well as the German 420-mm "Big Bertha", was actually called a mortar or a howitzer. As well as a host of other heavy weapons.
                Example.
                And if in the modern Encyclopedia of artillery this weapon is called a mortar

                That Kirillov - Gubetskiy calls him - howitzer.

                A Soviet professional specialist does this in this book with a very representative signature stamp laughing

                Something like this)
  6. -14
    24 June 2019 21: 11
    I'll bring in my "seven cents".

    I apologize to the author, but the described case occurred in 1915, when the Austro-Italian front was just forming and did not have a clear line. At night, the Austrians rolled forward 2 km almost 7th mortar battery and fired at the Cormons train station, firing 15 shells.

    Actually, only one turned out to be successful. One of the first. But he ended up in a restaurant where he was having dinner with the officers of the Italian regiment, which was unloaded at this station.

    By the way, the number of personnel of the two-gun battery of the mortar M 11 was six officers and 219 non-commissioned officers and privates.

    Well, even to the heap. The battery was not six, but seven tractors. On the seventh there was a winch for loading, and he drove carts with shells. And the rest of the economy was transported by truck. There were four four-ton, three three-ton ones, there was a car repair shop with a trailer and two cars.
    1. +16
      24 June 2019 21: 21
      I apologize to the author, but the described case occurred in 1915, when the Austro-Italian front was just forming and did not have a clear line.

      Firstly, where did you get the idea that this is the same case? This is just an example, and the system of nomadic guns was not isolated. And I read about the episode set forth in the articles; it really dates back to 1917.
      Secondly, the Austro-Italian front from the very beginning had a clear line. The stage of maneuvering war was absent there, and a positional war immediately began - it is characterized by a clear outline of the front)
      By the way, in the mountain war, the concept of drawing the front also has a slightly different meaning)
      And it doesn’t matter, 15 or 17
      1. +14
        24 June 2019 21: 22
        And in the battery there were exactly 6 tractors. All available materials give such a figure.
        Learn materiel roar (NIKOLAI)
        1. +16
          24 June 2019 21: 35
          I have a feeling that this rumble (NIKOLAI) just sculpts from the bulldozer, just to scratch my tongue
          I wrote it myself (if of course it was at all)
          At night, the Austrians drove forward for 2 km almost the 7th mortar battery
          and these are 2 guns.
          and in the episode set forth in the article we are talking about a single gun.
        2. -11
          25 June 2019 15: 41
          Quote: Square
          Learn materiel roar (NIKOLAI)


          Learn lessons, Square! What "materials" are you talking about?
      2. -11
        25 June 2019 15: 37
        Quote: Square
        Firstly, where did you get the idea that this is the same case?


        And this is "this or not that" case. This is the only one of those actually described.

        It happened on the night of June 2 to 3, 1915 on the site of the emerging Austro-Italian front between the settlement Goertz and Cormons. On May 7, a mortar battery under the command of Captain Gyös Lajos von Szentmaría, defending the bridgeheads on the river Izonzo, at night, advanced 2 km along the road in the direction of Cormons, turned and fired at the railway station with the aim of destroying it and disrupting the deployment of the Italian army in the area. The maneuver was completed because the battery could not fulfill this task from its main positions.

        This adventure was successful only because the Italians did not attach importance to noise and clanging in front of their positions, deciding to find out in the morning, and after firing, they quickly did not figure it out and simply did not have time to deploy their artillery and suppress the Austrian battery.

        And about the episode set out in articles, I myself read, it really dates back to 1917


        Please tell us what and where did you read?

        Secondly, the Austro-Italian front from the very beginning had a clear line. There was no stage of maneuver war, and a positional war immediately began ...


        Where exactly did you start? The war began with the advance of Italian troops. The Italians rushed forward.

        And what does this set of words mean?

        By the way, in the mountain war, the concept of drawing the front also has a slightly different meaning.


        Last thing
        ... And it doesn’t matter, 15 or 17 years ...


        Just important. For the author. In order not to decrease the high level of the article.
        In 1917, Italians would never have allowed this to happen in the neutral zone, and the Austrians
        it would never have crossed my mind.
        This could only happen in 1915. The romantic hussar of the beginning of the war ...
        By 1917, the "hussars" were gone. Blood, sweat and tears remained ...
        1. +10
          25 June 2019 16: 54
          Not convincing Roar, not convincing
          The high levels of the article from your idle chatter can not decrease in any way.
          I explain.
          1) there were many episodes with nomadic guns. Or do you know everything?) You do not know and you cannot know.
          2) About this episode and that it took place in 17, I also read personally, in the Encyclopedia of Artillery.
          3) It’s very sad that common truths are a set of words for you. This speaks of your lower base level.
          If you read the studies of military experts, you would know that a positional war on the Italian front began immediately - in 1915, and in this sense that 15, that 17 years have changed little.
          The parties in both positional and maneuver warfare are striving forward, only under different conditions. And the Germans and the Austrians actively rushed forward precisely in the year 17, by the way for the episode.
          And the outline of the front line in the mountains is a specific concept. There it is important who has a commanding height, who is taller.
          Why can not you drag a weapon to one of the heights, which is 15 that in 17? It doesn’t matter here.
          In general, the roar is silly - to memorize one episode and think that for 3 years there was only one. So no neutral bands) It's about the specifics of the mountain war.
          Labuda about the fact that there is no hussar left - on your conscience) In 18, the Italian horsemen oh how they drove the Austrians, there are even photos and illustrations on this subject.
  7. -3
    24 June 2019 21: 51
    Thank! It was difficult to fight with Austrians and Hungarians, only Czechs surrendered with regiments.
    1. +13
      24 June 2019 23: 40
      And even the Czechs annealed, no need to generalize) This is me about the infantry
      And the howitzer by the way - Czech production
  8. -2
    24 June 2019 22: 16

    The consequences of a shell fired from the Austro-Hungarian howitzer Škoda 30.5 cm Mörser M. 11 on the rotating armored tower of the Belgian fort Kessel, located on the outskirts of Antwerp. Exhibit of the Military History Museum in Vienna.
    1. -2
      24 June 2019 22: 56
      After Skoda specialists got acquainted with the result of getting into the armored dome, which the shell did not penetrate, they quickly created a 380 mm M16 howitzer.
      1. NKT
        -13
        25 June 2019 10: 49
        And here is the "dad" of all mortars (little david) wink



        1. -3
          25 June 2019 10: 58
          This is not a mortar, but a missile launcher for testing bombs. Functioned on the principle of a mortar. In 1944 there was an attempt to adapt it for military use, but the war ended earlier. So this thing does not pull either dad or mom.
          1. NKT
            -3
            25 June 2019 11: 16
            At the expense of testing the bombs - I agree with you, but at the expense of attributing it to a mortar - no.
            Although the word mortar translates both as a mortar and as a mortar.
    2. +9
      25 June 2019 23: 24
      Fort surrendered in a day.
      Walnut) 305 caliber. What dents are there?))
      Drive the link - what is the exhibit and what is in Vienna. Well, at the same time - what is the armor of the tower?)
      1. +9
        25 June 2019 23: 25
        This is me Undecim
        who claimed that
        The consequences of hitting a shell fired from the Austro-Hungarian howitzer Škoda 30.5 cm Mörser M. 11 on the rotating armored tower of the Belgian fort Kessel
      2. -7
        26 June 2019 07: 05
        At first, you will learn how to properly talk with people and push your rudeness and aplomb deeper.
        1. +7
          26 June 2019 10: 52
          Undecim
          At first, you will learn how to properly talk with people and push your rudeness and aplomb deeper.

          Is this such a form to get away from answering a question?
          Then PLEASE answer me:
          1) a reference that this is the tower of the Belgian fort, which for some reason is located in Vienna.
          2) Can you tell me what is the armor of this tower, that it withstood a 305-mm shell?
          1. +7
            26 June 2019 11: 16
            So he will answer you, this Undecim, keep your pocket wider)
            Belgian tower in Vienna ... Dents from 12 inches ...
            Everything is built on him in lies, in this Sh., In the texts, in the comments, and when (which is a rarity) high-quality materials appear (as in the author of this article), this Sh., In the multitude of his trolls, attacks them as a frenzied dog - for against the background of quality materials a general squalor is visible. The main goal is a scandal, because only a scandal gives views)
            1. +8
              26 June 2019 11: 17
              so he will answer us, a typo
          2. -9
            26 June 2019 12: 52
            Is this such a form to get away from answering a question?
            This is a form of response that the site’s rules allow for all rude personalities who believe that someone owes them something. If you answer normally, they will be banned.
            As to why the armored dome is located in the Heeresgeschichtlichen Museum Wien, the question is at least strange. Why are the exhibits in museums at all? This armored dome is located in one of two rooms dedicated to the First World War. This room displays the artillery of Austria-Hungary, and the dome from Fort Kassel - as an illustration of the action of this artillery. To find out all this, you can either go to Vienna, or hover the cursor over the photo, then right-click and select "Find Image in Google" from the drop-down menu. You will see many sites in different languages ​​with this photo.
            Now about the armored dome itself. Unfortunately, I now only have a tablet, so the page from the source will not be very high quality, excuse me.

            As can be seen from the diagram, this is an armored dome 75 mm gun. Thickness is 225 mm of armor and the outer and inner layers of mild steel are 20 mm thick. That is, the total thickness is 265 mm.
            The entire document is called Akte 472. Denkschrift über die Ergebnisse der Beschießung der Festungen Lüttich, Namur, Antwerpen, Maubeuge und des Forts Manonviller im Jahr 1914.
            (Case 472. Report on the results of the shelling of the fortifications of Luttih, Namur, Antwerp, Maubeuge, and Fort Manonville in 1914.)
            You can view the document at http://tsamo.germandocsinrussia.org/de/nodes/484-akte-nr-472-denkschrift-uber-die-ergebnisse-der-beschiessung-der-festungen-luttich-namur-antwerpen-maubeuge -und-des-forts-manonviller-im-jahr-1914 # page / 1 / mode / grid / zoom / 1.
            It describes in great detail which artillery systems were used, how many shells were used up, and where the consequences of the hits went. There is also about the dome with a photo.
            True, the document is in German, but here I can’t help you.
            And more .. Denatured alcohol, do not be rude to strangers with whom you are talking for the first time. I have nothing to do with Sh. I don’t have any unnecessarily blundering the tongue about the lies in the comments, all my comments are on the site and you can see them.
            Honestly, you don’t deserve a normal answer, but taking into account that other normal people visit the site, I wrote more for them. On this, in dealing with you, I draw a line.
            Communicating with boors, though not-so-distant, does not appeal to me.
            1. -7
              26 June 2019 13: 45
              This, Viktor Nikolayevich, is to your long-standing question about recognition of the author according to the style of presentation. Simply, for some IQ does not reach the stylistic analysis of the text.
              1. -8
                26 June 2019 14: 03
                For some it’s not just not enough, it is difficult to see, while for some reason it’s always accompanied by a hyperfunction of Brock’s center.
                1. -6
                  26 June 2019 14: 19
                  I agree, an interesting clinical picture, suggesting a certain neurovirus with selective pathogenicity.
            2. -7
              26 June 2019 13: 54

              This is the same dome from the inside.
            3. +5
              26 June 2019 14: 22
              Firstly, I’m not rude to you.
              On the contrary, wrote PLEASE.
              And you didn’t answer the questions:
              1) a reference that this is the tower of the Belgian fort, which for some reason is located in Vienna. Your reference to this question does not answer
              2) Can you tell me what is the armor of this tower, that it withstood a 305-mm shell?
              Short and clear, as I understand it, doesn’t work?)
              1. +6
                26 June 2019 14: 26
                Some pictures and abstruse conversations of one profile with another - Undecim / 3x3zsave (Anton)
                But essentially no answer - short and clear.
                So this is a question for your IQ and for your brain activity Undecim / 3x3zsave (Anton)
                1. -6
                  26 June 2019 19: 40
                  Ok guys! Now I know at least half of the personal minusers!
              2. -7
                26 June 2019 14: 26
                Do you really play a role? I inserted a drawing of the tower to you, on which the dimensions and thickness of the armor are indicated. Like where to find a photo of the tower. Can you provide a flight schedule for Vienna? All Denatured Go with God. Discussions with organisms of this level are not my element. Here Becker, at least, is needed. All the best, success in trolling.
                1. -5
                  26 June 2019 14: 32
                  And I would be interested in the entire list of Shpakovsky's accounts. Maybe I don’t know which of the decent people?
                2. +7
                  26 June 2019 14: 37
                  I'm also very interested.
                  You can in my own words answer, if you know of course:
                  a) how the tower Belgian fort is in Vienna and
                  b) what is it, towers, thickness
                  After all, a couple of lines will not make it difficult for you to write? Or don’t you know?
                  1. +7
                    26 June 2019 14: 40
                    this is a question for one organism in 2 subspecies: Undecim - 3x3zsave (anton)
                    Which of the individuals will answer is not important.
                    So you know the answer, or will you bustle and get out ??
                    1. -6
                      26 June 2019 14: 49
                      I will answer that I do not know, because it is not in the subject. If you also consider us as one person, I'm sorry, I had a better opinion of you.
                  2. -6
                    26 June 2019 14: 44
                    You are able to read my comment above, where it is written that the tower is in one of the halls of the Vienna Heeresgeschichtlichen Museum as an illustration of artillery operations on Belgian forts and where it is written that the thickness of the dome is 265 mm?
                    1. +7
                      26 June 2019 14: 49
                      I asked how this tower was there and how you can confirm.
                      265 mm armor will not withstand the impact of a 305 mm shell.
                      1. -7
                        26 June 2019 15: 06
                        That is, the photo of the museum hall does not convince you.
                        Take a look at https://www.reddit.com/r/wwi/comments/3f8aqf/belgian_fortress_turret_cupola_showing_the_damage/ if you speak English.
                        On breaking through, in the document I spoke about above (http://tsamo.germandocsinrussia.org/de/nodes/484-akte-nr-472-denkschrift-uber-die-ergebnisse-der-beschiessung-der-festungen- luttich-namur-antwerpen-maubeuge-und-des-forts-manonviller-im-jahr-1914 # page / 1 / mode / grid / zoom / 1) describes all hits of all shells. True in German, but in Russian there are no such materials.
                        Therefore, your faith or disbelief means absolutely nothing.
                        Then I say goodbye, all the best.
                      2. +8
                        26 June 2019 15: 17
                        So a comment on the picture on the top link
                        https://www.reddit.com/r/wwi/comments/3f8aqf/belgian_fortress_turret_cupola_showing_the_damage/
                        It sounds like this:
                        Belgian fortress turret cupola showing the damage done by the 30.5 mm mortar shell which put the turret out of action. Fired by the Germans using a Skoda 305 mm Model 1911 mortar.
                        The fact that this is a dome in the Vienna Museum, etc. - not a word.
                        The second link also leaves much to be desired.
                        but in Russian there are no such materials.

                        Yes, times of war. But leave it out of brackets
                        Therefore, your faith or disbelief means absolutely nothing.

                        as well as your insinuations
                        Therefore, your faith or disbelief means absolutely nothing.

                        and you don’t get sick
                      3. -7
                        26 June 2019 15: 20
                        Photograph is hosted on the wikipedia page covering the Skoda 305 mm Model 1911 mortar, several of which were famously loaned to the Germans and used in the destruction of several Belgian fortified cities. This particular one is from the siege of Antwerp and is held at the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum in Vienna, Austria. In the background you can see the museum's First World War exhibit, although it has been greatly renovated and expanded in time for last year's centenary. If you ever go to the museum, you can actually go under this cupola and stick your hand up into the hole created by the shell. The thing is still lodged in there and you can feel around the pointed tip of the shell. Very awesome and eerie. Really makes you realize just how much steel these countries were throwing against each other.
                        Have you read the full text of the link?
                        And why are you not happy with the German report on the actions of the German artillery, drawn up in hot pursuit?
                      4. +7
                        26 June 2019 15: 22
                        In your post - yes) But not by reference)
                      5. -6
                        26 June 2019 15: 27
                        In your post - yes) But not by reference
                        Scroll below, not above the picture, but under the picture.
                      6. +7
                        26 June 2019 15: 32
                        Below the picture are comments.
                        However, as the tower got into Vienna - they did not answer)
                      7. -6
                        26 June 2019 16: 26
                        Damn, by moving the mass from point A to point B with the condition of observing the constants of the observable Universe, accessible to human understanding
                      8. +7
                        26 June 2019 17: 49
                        Damn, by moving the mass from point A to point B with the condition of observing the constants of the observable Universe, accessible to human understanding

                        Yes, which equals your characteristic wandering thought in the tree.
                        In the absence of clear data. Okay, everything is clear)
                      9. -6
                        26 June 2019 17: 52
                        Everything is clear to me too, I will consider for the future.
                      10. -1
                        1 July 2019 08: 14
                        Vick, what do you contact with them, because everything is completely clear - mediocrity is done by ordinary trolling, because they themselves don’t know a damn thing and can’t tell about anything. Gray is gradually clogging the side, and Denaturat is a separate song: what brains do you need to choose such a nickname? Brrr ... Never drank this muck.
                      11. 0
                        1 July 2019 08: 16
                        Can you tell something worthwhile? Trolling is a simple matter, especially if you suffer from a stomach ulcer. And you have good friends - one denatured thing is worth it. High intelligence individual. laughing
                      12. +1
                        1 July 2019 14: 54
                        Dear commentators!

                        I did not comment on this topic, the topic of artillery is not mine, but I began to look at the comments and was very upset again from the presence of mutual rudeness and pouring mud.

                        Dear commentators, let's comment on the article, not commentators, let's not muddle each other and please use self-censorship so that commenting is polite and dignified, without rudeness.

                        Otherwise, the matter will end up with respected moderators washing all the comment chains where rudeness and trolling are encountered.

                        Readers will suffer from this, from which the commentary will be torn and with the loss of connection and all meaning.

                        Let us all be mutually polite.

                        hi
                      13. +3
                        2 July 2019 09: 24
                        I generally agree with your suggestions hi
                        one nuance
                        important moderators wash all the comment lines where rudeness and trolling are encountered. Readers will suffer from this

                        It seems to me that the readers suffer more by reading the comments. And not so much because of "rudeness")
            4. -2
              26 June 2019 15: 47
              Thank you - an extremely interesting message! hi
        2. +1
          1 July 2019 14: 53
          Dear commentators!

          I did not comment on this topic, the topic of artillery is not mine, but I began to look at the comments and was very upset again from the presence of mutual rudeness and pouring mud.

          Dear commentators, let's comment on the article, not commentators, let's not muddle each other and please use self-censorship so that commenting is polite and dignified, without rudeness.

          Otherwise, the matter will end up with respected moderators washing all the comment chains where rudeness and trolling are encountered.

          Readers will suffer from this, from which the commentary will be torn and with the loss of connection and all meaning.

          Let us all be mutually polite.

          hi
  9. +13
    24 June 2019 22: 36
    Very high quality article - thanks good
    1. -17
      24 June 2019 23: 15
      Very high quality article - thanks good

      without mentioning the Russian and British systems of the same caliber - what is "quality"?
      There is a feeling that the author seeks to create a feeling of "bast shoes of Russia" (most likely the right feeling)
      1. +15
        24 June 2019 23: 39
        without mentioning the Russian and British systems of the same caliber - what is "quality"?

        Yeah, well, and the approach)) That is, you think that the more the heap is small the better?)) Life shows that the opposite is true - the more you look at one thing in more detail, and do not plow the vast expanses of the ocean, the better.
        But there are other tools.
        You probably do not read anything except VO or even VO do not read?
        For example, about the Russian 12-inch.
        The same author by the way https://warspot.ru/980-russkaya-berta
        1. -18
          25 June 2019 00: 13
          Yeah, well, and the approach)) That is, you think that the more the heap is small the better?))

          I believe that the author deliberately tried to create a sense of a dull and backward Russia --- and therefore "forgot" to mention the heavy artillery of the Russians and the Allies.

          In fact, at the beginning of the war, the Russians had MORE heavy howitzers than the Austrians. (True, less than the Germans)
          1. +15
            25 June 2019 00: 17
            I believe that the author deliberately tried to create a sense of a dull and backward Russia --- and therefore "forgot" to mention the heavy artillery of the Russians and the Allies.

            Stupidly think
            This article focuses on a specific gun, not a review of artillery. This is completely inappropriate.
            For your enlightenment above gave a list of articles on other guns and artillery. Enlighten)
            1. +16
              25 June 2019 00: 21
              Moreover, Ak64, the strength of the Austrian army and Austrian artillery, speaks of the strength of the Russian army, which defeated the Austrian.
              So in this
              I believe that the author intentionally tried to create a feeling about stupid and backward Russia
              you lie again
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          2. 0
            29 June 2019 01: 00
            Quote: AK64
            I believe that the author deliberately tried to create a sense of a dull and backward Russia --- and therefore "forgot" to mention the heavy artillery of the Russians and the Allies.

            That is, the story of any thing designed and released not in Russia, without specifying Russian counterparts, is already considered a humiliation of Russia?
            I understand correctly?
            Please tell me, is this the official point of view, or your personal?

            PS: I have a doctor’s diploma recognized valid in the Russian Federation. Accordingly, my question is justified from a scientific point of view, without attempting to insult or humiliate the questioned.
  10. -9
    24 June 2019 23: 16
    https://topwar.ru/107456-gaubicy-maksimalnyh-kalibrov.html
  11. +2
    25 June 2019 13: 40
    To provide mobility to such a fool during the WWII, worthy of deep respect
  12. -6
    25 June 2019 14: 56
    Thanks, very interesting!
    although there are strange phrases like: "I punched a 3 meter brick wall and 22 cm concrete masonry." bully
    1. +11
      25 June 2019 16: 56
      And what's so strange about that? If something is not clear to you in your old age, is that strange?))
      It is about the impact on different types of obstacles ...
      1. -11
        25 June 2019 17: 15
        Quote: Hunghouse
        If something is not clear to you in your old age, is it strange?

        another illiterate showed his stupidity ... bully
        I’m chewing for someone who has not mastered the site litera.ru:
        "Masonry, -and; pl. Genus. -Doc, date. -Dkam; f. 1. to Klast (6 characters). Complete the laying of the walls. Lead the laying of the foundation. 2. Part of a structure, made of stones or bricks. Detect fragments of masonry. Disassemble part of the masonry. // Piece material in a known order (bricks, firewood etc.). K. firewood. Several bricks. "
        the author has "22 cm concrete masonry." - concrete certainly does not consist of bricks or or stones ... bully ...
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          3. -8
            26 June 2019 08: 14
            Leaving aside the grammatical skirmishes .. You are not confused by "only" 22 cm of concrete as the limit of penetration of a 305 mm projectile ?. Check it out: Italians talk about 200 cm of concrete
            1. +8
              26 June 2019 10: 50
              And where does it say that this is the limit?
              And why should this confuse me?
            2. +7
              26 June 2019 14: 51
              Italians talk about 200 cm of concrete

              200 cm is 2 meters. I couldn’t penetrate such a shell, so the author said everything correctly
              1. +7
                26 June 2019 14: 53
                he couldn’t even penetrate a XNUMX-meter reinforced concrete layer.
                here from a study on the effects of shells
                1. -7
                  26 June 2019 15: 27
                  from the text you kindly cite, it follows that the depth is 0,3-0,4 and the spall is 0,2-0,3 - so that 0,5 m would have shot through the shell ... hi
                  1. +7
                    26 June 2019 15: 29
                    From the text kindly quoted by me, it can be seen that in this situation the shell pierced 30-40 cm of reinforced concrete, and not 2 meters as you wrote above in the image of the Town Hall)
                    1. -6
                      26 June 2019 15: 41
                      Quote: XII Legion
                      not 2 meters as you wrote above in the image of the Town Hall)

                      do you have paranoia? bully I do not use other nicknames in this forum ...
                      Quote: XII Legion
                      the shell pierced 30-40 cm of reinforced concrete

                      - you didn’t take into account the spall that appeared due to the concentration of stresses upon impact. I think if the plate was 1m - it would have been broken ... hi
                      1. +7
                        26 June 2019 17: 47
                        There is no need to believe
                        If yes, if only ...
                        It is only about 30-40 cm. For those who can read Russian.
                        And for those who think and fantasize, for those yes - and 2 meters is not enough wink
                        hi
                      2. -7
                        26 June 2019 17: 48
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        There is no need to believe

                        those. such a thing as sopromat for you new? OK
                      3. +8
                        26 June 2019 17: 54
                        What is FACT - not new to me
                      4. -8
                        26 June 2019 18: 01
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        What is FACT - not new to me

                        it's fun with you ... okay too lazy to explain ... hi
                      5. +7
                        26 June 2019 18: 36
                        And with you even more fun. If you do not know what facts are and how they differ from conjectures and pseudo-settlements of whom. Okay, I won’t explain either. All one
                      6. -7
                        27 June 2019 11: 04
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        If you don’t know what facts are

                        in my enlightened opinion, you do not know what a fact is, and also the fact that it does not exist outside of theory ... I recommend that you study the theory of scientific knowledge ... hi
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        and pseudo settlements

                        the projectile has kinetic energy, a concrete slab of a certain strength ... this is a typical task and it is quite simple to solve ... still learn the compromising ... request
                      7. +5
                        27 June 2019 11: 28
                        Again, for thoughtful reasoning and good wishes, just mask the ignorance of the facts wink
                        And you are learning history. So as not to replace it with extensive wanderings and fantasies My advice to you hi
                      8. -7
                        27 June 2019 11: 30
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        just mask ignorance of the facts

                        and you don’t know what a fact is and what a bad fact is ... bully
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        And you are learning history.

                        I think I know her much better than you ...
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        So as not to replace it with extensive wanderings and fantasies

                        Sopromat has no relation to history, this is a technical discipline ... bully
                      9. +5
                        27 June 2019 11: 34
                        and you don’t know what a fact is and what a bad fact is

                        Not knowing what a fact is, you do not know evil laughing
                        although sorry, your articles are based on bad facts
                        I think I know her much better than you

                        that's what you think laughing but you can’t know better - neither actually (as you can see with the naked eye), nor status
                        it’s incapable of history, it’s a technical discipline

                        that's it. By the way, the big question is do you know him, sopromat, or just chatting thoughtfully as usual)
                        and do not substitute historical facts for your reasoning.
                      10. -8
                        27 June 2019 11: 50
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        Not knowing what a fact is, you do not know evil

                        balobolstvo went, from which I conclude, you do not know the definition of a bad fact ... hi
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        your articles are based on bad facts

                        have you read them? bully Do not be offended, your intellectual level will not allow them to understand, just read, I usually publish in English ... request
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        What do you think

                        Yes, and I know how to do it professionally ... bully
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        nor status

                        status knowledge, funny, what of kin? bully
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        big question do you know him

                        I know, I passed it, I use it in my work ... but you don’t know from the word at all, therefore you are not able to understand the physical basis of the action of the impulse load on the obstacle ... bully
                        By the way - an outright flood went, I don’t see any reason to continue ... hi
                      11. +6
                        27 June 2019 18: 40
                        balobolstvo went, from which I conclude, you do not know the definition of a bad fact

                        Listen, isn’t it yourself disgusting? To be honest, I'm already tired of this.
                        But I will answer.
                        What is a fact, you do not know in principle. And that means you cannot, in principle, distinguish a fact from a non-fact.
                        You know what shpako fact. This is the pseudo-fact that you sucked, put on your inappropriate and vague explanations and understandings) - and serve. Yes, naturally spako fact should fully correspond to your personal point of view. A fact that does not correspond to it is declared bad laughing and not at all a fact.
                        But this, from the rejection of it by a separate individual, the true fact does not cease to be such.
                        Live in your shpako-facts, and while you fool people with their heads, you’re lord here. But only here laughing
                        your intellectual level will not allow them to understand, just read, I usually publish in English

                        so they are 90% of the materials on VO, Mr. Sh. How do you boast about what people’s brains are doing? Or does it mean that something more digestible can be published in English (otherwise they won’t pay in the currency), but will the Russians push slag here?
                        And for example, I publish not only in Russian and English) And I do not brag about it)
                        What do you think
                        yes, and I know how to do it professionally

                        that's probably just think professionally and know how) and brains people professionally compose)
                        nor status
                        status knowledge, funny, what of kin?

                        no one is your friend and no way to call you. In the world of science. Though the Internet is peeling up)
                        I know, I passed it, I use it in my work ... but you don’t know from the word at all, therefore you are not able to understand the physical basis of the action of the impulse load on the obstacle

                        yes here you can introduce yourself in the spirit of Einstein, and you won’t check)
                        and it is not necessary, what kind of "pro" you are, lying and living in lies, and even suffering from multifaceted personality bundles, we already know)
                      12. -5
                        28 June 2019 12: 35
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        Listen, isn’t it yourself disgusting?

                        to communicate with you? no - you're funny ignoramus ...
                        K. Marx gave such a definition to dates, etc. information ... bully
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        What is a fact, you do not know in principle.

                        waiting for a determination ... crying
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        Or does it mean that something more digestible can be published in English (otherwise they won’t pay in the currency), but will the Russians push slag here?

                        what nonsense you have in your head! Publications in English are read all over the world, but in Russian, alas, only in the Russian Federation ... bully
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        And for example, I publish not only in Russian and English)

                        magazines in which quantile, what impact factor? wink
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        only think professionally and know how

                        why - I still know how to create products and technologies! hi
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        and brains people professionally compose)

                        no, I'm a techie anymore ...
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        no one is your friend and no way to call you. In the world of science.

                        1) I'm not your friend and I don’t need to poke - show your bad manners to your parents as a reproach ...
                        2) I don’t see any point in proving something - the experience of the discussion showed that you are not worthy of a serious relationship! laughing
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        , lied and living in a lie, and even suffering from multifaceted bundles of personality, we already know)

                        what expression, what significant conclusions ... bully Yes, and another diagnosis, though written with a spelling error ... bully
                        conclusion - it seems shkolota ... bully
                      13. +4
                        28 June 2019 12: 51
                        Wait further.
                        And I’m not going to read your crap (I’m not talking about comments), nor can I talk to you
                        Yes, and more muzzles in black glasses do not forget
                      14. -3
                        28 June 2019 13: 42
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        Yes, and more muzzles in black glasses do not forget

                        such a reaction to emoticons indicates emotional instability ... bully
                      15. +3
                        28 June 2019 18: 32
                        laughing
                        but in my opinion such a number of emoticons that demonstrate coolness, speaks of self-doubt ...
                      16. -3
                        1 July 2019 12: 31
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        showing coolness

                        does the emoticon show coolness? laughing However ... I will enlighten you - this is an expression of emotion in correspondence, no more ...
                        Quote: XII Legion
                        speaks of self-doubt ...

                        from your and not reasonable point of view ...
              2. -9
                26 June 2019 22: 40
                2 meters of reinforced concrete were pierced by tests in 1911 in the Felixdorf (in the Tyrolean mountains) 384 kg shell
                1. +7
                  27 June 2019 08: 15
                  You surprise me very much Town Hall. You declare that there cannot be concrete masonry,
                  2 meters of reinforced concrete were pierced in tests in 1911 at 384 kg

                  and I brought you above exactly 383 kg a projectile that could penetrate only 30-40 cm of concrete.
                  And not somewhere - but under Verdun. He cited, mind you, an excerpt from the document, in contrast to unfounded declarations.
                  1. -10
                    27 June 2019 10: 51
                    Quote: XII Legion
                    You declare that there cannot be concrete masonry,

                    You have an obsession.
                    1. +7
                      27 June 2019 10: 57
                      I just illustrate your balabolstvo: what about concrete masonry (which you allegedly do not have, although for example there is concrete masonry or masonry with concrete blocks), that about the mythical penetration of 2 meters of concrete (although in reality - 30-40 cm).
                      Only)
                      1. -9
                        27 June 2019 13: 08
                        I say, check it out. For concrete masonry you did not communicate with me. And about the thickness of concrete pierced by 400 kg with a projectile, enlighten and do not tell the audience about 20 cm
                      2. +6
                        27 June 2019 18: 25
                        That you check. And do not make the audience laugh.
                        I have a document about 30-40 cm, and you have about 2 meters - empty chatter as usual
  13. -8
    26 June 2019 08: 35
    In the Austrian offensives of 1916 (by the way about a maneuver war), these Italian mortars destroyed 2 Italian forts-il Forte Verena and il Forte Campolongo
  14. 0
    26 June 2019 16: 08
    Thank you so much, especially for the illustrations. Especially for the photo of the "Austrian suitcase". I found my great-grandfather in the photo)
  15. 0
    26 June 2019 17: 14
    I have a question for those who understand the topic !!!
    Have guns and howitzers of this caliber (suppose from 200mm) retained at least some potential for a modern war or a war of the near future?
    1. -6
      26 June 2019 19: 32
      In order to answer your question, you need to know what it will be like, this war of the future. Today no one has the exact answer.
    2. 0
      1 July 2019 14: 59
      There is always at least some benefit from any weapon.

      During the defense of Sevastopol, they even got an old battery without sights and aimed it directly at the barrel.

      Another thing is that the most important resource is people who are ready to fight the enemy not for life, but for death. Any weapons available.

      hi
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    1 July 2019 14: 55
    Dear commentators!

    I did not comment on this topic, the topic of artillery is not mine, but I began to look at the comments and was very upset again from the presence of mutual rudeness and pouring mud.

    Dear commentators, let's comment on the article, not commentators, let's not muddle each other and please use self-censorship so that commenting is polite and dignified, without rudeness.

    Otherwise, the matter will end up with respected moderators washing all the comment chains where rudeness and trolling are encountered.

    Readers will suffer from this, from which the commentary will be torn and with the loss of connection and all meaning.

    Let us all be mutually polite.

    hi
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