The first clash of F-35 and Su-57 will take place on the international arms market

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Su-57E: export model


In the spring of 2019, it became known that Russia had agreed a package of documents that allows export deliveries of a modern fifth-generation Russian fighter. The export model of the Su-57E may be of interest to foreign customers who, for various reasons, cannot acquire American fifth-generation fighter F-35.

Among the potential buyers of the newest Russian fighter called the countries of Asia and the Middle East. The most likely buyers include Algeria. It is clear that the first “clash” of the F-35 and Su-57 will take place precisely on the international arms market. At the same time, I want to believe that the real fighting with the participation of these two aircraft will never happen.



The program to create a fifth-generation fighter is a very expensive pleasure; not all countries can afford such costs. At the same time, as noted in the national military edition of The National Interest, the United States and China are able to handle the enormous costs of developing combat aircraft alone, while the Russian Federation will likely have to cover some of the costs of developing and building the Su-57 fighter. due to the supply of aircraft to foreign customers.

In this case, the evaluation of the cost of programs is significantly different. The cost of the F-35 program is estimated at about 55 billion dollars. Lockheed Martin and other manufacturers have produced more than 390 F-35 Lightning II aircraft. The Russian program to create a fifth generation fighter was estimated at about 3 billion dollars. Currently, X-NUMX flight prototypes of the Su-10 from the pilot batch have been built in Russia. The first two serial fighters of the Russian Ministry of Defense will receive up to 57 year.


Su-57 trial lot


Su-57 can be the fifth generation fighter for all. Traditionally, experts attribute to its competitive advantages a lower cost than that of American-made models. An important distinction is that the United States at one time completely banned the sale of the first fighter of the fifth generation F-22 to third countries, and the sales of the lighter F-35 are selective, supplying only their allies. China is also not yet ready to sell its fifth-generation fighter J-20. Against this background, Russia is ready to sell the Su-57 to all potential customers, and this is a great opportunity for countries that would like to, but are not able to acquire other fifth-generation aircraft.

Potential buyers Su-57


Currently, military experts are discussing the possibility of a price war on the world market between the Russian Su-57E fighter and the American F-35. It is discussed which countries may become buyers of the fifth generation Russian aviation complex and who are willing to consider the possibility of such a purchase. Among the potential buyers of the Su-57 there is one NATO state - this is Turkey.

It is worth noting that Turkey is a participant in the multinational program to create a fifth-generation fighter F-35 Lightning II, which is being implemented under the auspices of the United States. The supply of electronic parts and parts for the aircraft involved at least 10 Turkish industrial enterprises. F-35 fighter was to be the first fifth-generation aircraft in the Turkish Air Force. In total, Ankara was going to purchase at least 100 of similar combat vehicles. But in today's reality, the delivery may not take place. The problem of Ankara’s purchase of the Russian Triumph C-400 anti-aircraft missile system. US congressmen have already said that they can suspend the dispatch of fighters to Turkey, if the latter does not refuse to acquire Russian air defense systems.


F-35 Lightning II


Sergey Chemezov, who heads the state corporation Rostec, has previously expressed that Moscow is ready to negotiate with Ankara on deliveries of the fifth generation Su-57E fighter, in case Turkey is forced to withdraw from the F-35 Lightning II production program. According to Chemezov, Turkey is an attractive market for the modern fifth-generation Russian fighter.

Earlier, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt авavuşoлуlu clearly hinted Washington that if he refused to supply F-35 fighters, Ankara would acquire similar fighters from other states. And the Turkish state news agency Anadolu has previously prepared a comparison of the Su-57 with the American fighter of the fifth generation F-35, considering the Russian aircraft as an alternative. Relevant material with infographics was released in April 2019 of the year. Among other things, the clear superiority of the Russian fighter in maximum speed and maneuverability stood out. Su-57 is equipped with two engines, and the lighter American F-35 is only one. The maximum speed of the Su-57 is up to 2600 km / h, while its competitor can accelerate only to 1931 km / h. The Russian aircraft is superior to the enemy and in the mass of the combat load, which is estimated at 10 tons, the American fighter - 8,16 tons. Also Su-57 can be in the sky almost twice as much - 5,8 hours against 2,36 hours in F-35.

But Turkey is far from the most obvious buyer of the fifth-generation Russian fighter. Interest in the aircraft demonstrate Egypt and Algeria. But the Egyptian Air Force already has a diverse fleet of combat aircraft, the Su-57E could become the 8th type of combat aircraft for Cairo, which creates a lot of logistical difficulties in servicing this fleet. At the same time, Egypt is actively purchasing Russian aviation technique. The Egyptian Air Force is armed with front-line MiG-29M and MiG-29M2 fighters (a contract for 46 aircraft). Also in March 2019, the Kommersant publication wrote that Egypt was acquiring several dozen heavy multi-functional Su-35 fighters from Russia, and the transaction value was estimated at two billion dollars. This makes Egypt one of the largest buyers of Russian aviation equipment, but it is still not obvious that Cairo will now decide to strengthen its own Air Force with the Su-57E as well.



The most likely buyer of the Su-57E experts believe Algeria, which is the largest buyer of Russian weapons in Africa. Algeria has been buying up the latest Soviet and then Russian military equipment, including airplanes, for a very long time. The air forces of this North African country are already equipped with Russian multipurpose fighters Su-30MKA and Su-35. Most likely, Algeria also became the first foreign buyer of the front-line fighter-bomber Su-34. Moreover, this country is also interested in experimental Russian weapons, for example, BMPT, proving that they are ready to buy not the most popular equipment. Given the close cooperation between Algeria and Russia in the military-technical sphere and the readiness of Algeria to be the first country to acquire and introduce new Russian military developments, it seems likely that the Algerians will become the launch customer of the Su-57Е.

The potential buyers of the Su-57E, but already in another corner of the planet, include Malaysia, which is already exploiting the heavy Russian fighters Su-30MKM. In March of this year, the fifth-generation Russian aircraft was shown to the Prime Minister of this Asian country. Given the fact that Malaysia’s neighbor in the region, Singapore, recently announced the purchase of a small batch of F-35 fighter aircraft from the USA, Malaysia can speed up the process of acquiring its own fifth-generation aircraft by choosing the Russian version.

Su-57 for India and China


Traditionally, the largest buyers of Russian weapons and military equipment are India and China. Both countries can also be considered as Su-57E customers. It was India that was a partner of Russia for the creation of a promising fifth-generation fighter FGFA, which was developed on the basis of the Su-57 and was to become an export version of the aircraft. Apparently, India finally abandoned the implementation of this joint project in April last year. The media reported that India remained unhappy with the stealth indicators of the T-50 prototypes, and also expressed doubts about the effectiveness of the radar and avionics of the new aircraft. At the same time, in a joint project of the FGFA, which was planned to be exported to foreign customers, Delhi accounted for up to a third of funding.


Su-35 PLA Air Force


Despite the refusal to jointly develop the fifth-generation fighter, India can still become a customer of the export version of the Su-57. The Indian Air Force has accumulated a wealth of experience in acquiring and operating Soviet and Russian-made military equipment. In service with the Indian Air Force consists of the order 250 multi-purpose fighter Su-30MKI. This is the world's largest operator of Sukhoi aircraft of this model. India still does not exclude the option of acquiring the Su-57. Interest in the fifth-generation aircraft could fuel a recent air conflict with Pakistan, in which the Indian Air Force lost its upgraded MiG-21 without knocking down a single enemy aircraft.

China can also purchase fifth-generation Su-57E fighters from Russia, even though it has its own fifth-generation aircraft. True, the size of the purchased party may be limited. Despite the development of its own fifth-generation fighter J-20, China bought 2015 Su-24 aircraft from Russia in 35, having paid two billion dollars for this batch and becoming the first foreign buyer of this vehicle. Aircraft cost China quite expensive - about 83 million dollars for each Su-35. Based on this, one can imagine that the Su-57E in the international arms market will cost even more.

Su-35 China was satisfied with Russia. It is the Russian fighters that often escort strategic Chinese H-6K bombers in flight. The Chinese praise the long-range missiles of the Russian multifunctional fighter, a radar capable of simultaneously tracking up to 30 and firing 8 targets and the presence of thrust vector-controlled engines. Against this background, it is worth noting that the Chinese J-20 aircraft, which experts also consider more invisible than the Su-57, is inferior to the latter in engines. The Russian model is superior to the aircraft of the Middle Kingdom even with the engines of the first stage - AL-41Ф1, when the Russian fighter gets more advanced engines of the second stage, which are known as "Item 30", the combat capabilities of the Su-57 will increase even more. In this regard, China may be interested in Su-57 precisely because of the engines, with the creation of which Beijing still has problems. The danger of this transaction may be that China uses Russian equipment for reengineering, literally sorting the machines on cogs and then reproducing them in their own enterprises. In the field of copying and appropriation of other technologies, as well as their improvement by making their own changes in the design, China has succeeded for a long time.


Su-57 trial lot


Three regiments Su-57 for VKS of Russia


On Wednesday, 15 May, 2019, Russian President Vladimir Putin made a statement about the imminent contract for the purchase of X-NUMX Su-76 fighter jets. The corresponding statement was made by the head of state at the next meeting on defense topics. According to Putin, earlier, according to the state armaments program, up to 57, the VKS should have received all 2028-like aircraft. At the same time, in the open access there was information about the contract only for 16 aircraft, a set for equipping one squadron. Such a small contract even allowed the journalists of the Chinese news agency Sina to call the Su-12 the worst Russian combat aircraft in stories. Proceeding from this, Chinese journalists concluded that the fifth generation aircraft created in Russia was not needed even by the Russian VKS.

Now the volume of purchases is seriously expanding. According to Vladimir Putin, a contract will be signed soon for the delivery of fifth-generation fighter jets to 76 troops, which will receive modern means of destruction. In addition, it is planned to create the necessary ground infrastructure for new aircraft. The President noted that by the year 2028 it is necessary to re-equip three VKS regiments with new fifth-generation fighter jets. According to Putin, the change in the situation with the volume of the order of the Su-57 is directly related to the willingness of aircraft manufacturers to reduce its cost and the cost of weapons used by 20 percent. The President expressed the hope that the revised and announced by 15 May plan will be fulfilled.
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  1. -4
    16 May 2019 05: 56
    Well, if someone signs a supply contract, then they will have to forget about 76 SU 57 for the Air Force, there will not be enough capacity.
    1. +3
      16 May 2019 06: 10
      Why is the "shoemaker" without boots? Because a beggar.
      A working poor country.
      1. -2
        16 May 2019 07: 20
        Quote: sagitch
        A working poor country.
        Reply

        Let's not go to extremes.
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      2. 0
        16 May 2019 15: 54
        Quote: sagitch
        Why is the "shoemaker" without boots? Because a beggar.
        Working poor country.

        I agree with you for several reasons.
        I have already been "got" by their simplicity by leavened patriots and simply mediocrities who do not even bother to give explanations for their assessments. The fact that in an impoverished country oriented towards poor working people there are not enough technically trained workers is of no concern to anyone. How not interested (for sure) that Chemezov himself will not roll up his sleeves during maintenance and replacement of equipment. And you need to think not only about supplies and prices, but also about service maintenance of equipment, and possibly about training foreign specialists. And who will teach them if their own is not enough.
        And this situation is just everywhere. We are left to the mercy of the state with our problems of employment, health care, law and order issues, etc. etc. And there, abroad, they do not want these problems either for small or for big money.
        Among other things, I don’t understand for what purpose the unit-sized assorted assault rifle goes to the sun? You will not find specialists for internal use during the day with fire.
        Due to circumstances, I was faced with the problem of drugs (made in Israel) for the treatment of multiple sclerosis. Not only did this medicine disappear in polyclinics, they even stopped buying it. I must say right away that the medicine is expensive, and despite this, the treatment results are completely unpredictable. Russian medicine has no cure for this disease. It turned out that we are not only a beggar, but also a very backward country in technology.
        Our business is a pipe (gas or oil), and the main problem is getting to Eurovision ...
        Fair wind! hi
        1. +1
          16 May 2019 16: 33
          And what did you actually want? From a country with a very peculiar, let's say, device made ..... well, let it be, a washing machine. Nobody was going to do anything else. After the collapse of modest achievements, basically took place, timid attempts began to imitate violent activity on ..... Well, for something)))) And what else is there to want? And why else wonder?
        2. +4
          16 May 2019 19: 33
          Quote: ROSS 42
          We are left to the mercy of the state with our problems of employment, health care, law and order issues, etc. etc.

          You are thrown to the mercy of fate in the first place by the reluctance to just think and move. Of all those invited to the medical examination there is no more than 20%. And the rest wiggle their snot on their fist as they were thrown, while their own sores are brought to chronic and incurable forms with expensive drugs. I don’t know your incident, and I don’t mean it, don’t bother. Regarding the rule of law, drivers began to bend, in three years the deaths in traffic accidents doubled. And bring the fact where in Russia the police are afraid to go? But in Paris there are such areas, and in New York too. Difficulties with employment? Do not sit in one place, go there where these difficulties are not (in your own country), an average American moves to work up to 15-17 times. Just love to cry a lot, sitting on the stove.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          And you need to think not only about supplies and price, but also about service maintenance of equipment, and possibly about training foreign specialists. And who will train them, if theirs is not enough.

          There is a nuance, we earn money from the training of foreign specialists, and we teach ours at our own expense.
          1. +1
            17 May 2019 04: 51
            Quote: Den717
            You are thrown to the mercy of fate in the first place by the reluctance to just think and move.

            I repeat specifically:
            Quote: ROSS 42
            I have already been "got" by their simplicity by leavened patriots and simply mediocrities who do not even bother to give explanations for their assessments.

            I live in the country where my ancestors lived and I'm not going to leave my place of residence due to the fact that the trash has climbed into power. Not to Paris. I will not leave for Washington. And I don’t buy "spare airfields" abroad. Since 2016, I have never turned to the clinic and the help of doctors who write off everything for old age and offer medication that does not give anything, exchanged it for cycling and swimming (according to the season). We have no strains with Siberian Cranes and no leopards - only in Altai (it happens).
            In the Zavodskoy district of my hometown, gypsy drug traffickers with video cameras at the gates have been standing for an infinite number of years. If a former law enforcement officer cannot do anything (although everyone knows everything), then what kind of mischief do I need when I encounter a problem by chance?
            We have a descendant of Genghis Khan rules-rules-rules-rules, but it turned out that I did not want to see problems under the nose. And there were so many programs ... Until now, they stand and shine with empty loopholes. And until now, cars are parked along the Kuznetsk Prospekt on the sidewalk and in two rows, and the extreme lanes are occupied on Sovetskoye from Kuznetskiy to Kirov ... I won’t talk about parking cars on Sovetov Square when cars are placed on pedestrians underneath ... transitions ...
            Quote: Den717
            An average American moves to work up to 15-17 times. Just love to cry a lot, sitting on the stove.

            The thief-householder also rarely returns twice to the same apartment (although my friend Alexei was unlucky). What interesting thoughts do I have to wander around the country, wasting strength and health? For one oligarchic scum to change another in the appropriation of the product I create? In the USSR, we changed places of residence and work because of high wages and a desire to create the right where there was nothing before us. Travel and travel times are more than worked out. As for the tears, it is your like-minded people begin to moan and pour crocodile tears, as soon as the people begin to tell them the truth in their eyes. Your fabulous liar has not yet answered for the salaries of medical workers and state employees, and you and your friends haven’t failed to increase (with his tacit consent) ... And you go to work here (it's been a long time since I retired) to give advice. Others - the same from the screens (wherever you go) are brainwashed ...
            Collect money for yourself and ... to Mother Teresa May and friends on Baker Street ... You don’t need such rules for the country, and don’t need money ...
            1. +2
              17 May 2019 06: 17
              Quote: ROSS 42
              I live in the country where my ancestors lived and to abandon the place of residence due to the fact that trash crawled into power

              Do not want, and do not. Nobody forces you. Sit like a chick in a nest and wait for the ruler (communist, capitalist) to fill you with feed in your mouth, if you recall. Water does not flow beneath a lying stone - is not our saying?
              Quote: ROSS 42
              And here you are, how to go to work (I’ve been in retirement for a long time) to give advice.

              I’ve been retired for 15 years, but I earn extra money. And it’s not for you to reproach me with what to do. For decades, under your nose, the police can’t cover up drug trafficking? And where are you, in the network of tears and curses scatter? Well, live like that. By the way, if you can read carefully, then I didn’t campaign you abroad. All within their own country. And that's enough. My place of residence is my business, it’s not for you to meddle.
              1. 0
                17 May 2019 11: 21
                Quote: Den717
                My place of residence is my business, it’s not for you to meddle.

                I didn’t sign up for kremleboty ... He’s been a pensioner for fifteen years ... I’ve been a pensioner since 1992, and I don’t give you advice on part-time work ... I personally do not need a part-time job - I have modest requests.
                1. 0
                  17 May 2019 13: 16
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  I didn’t sign up for a Kremlin boat ... He’s been a pensioner for fifteen years ... I’ve been a pensioner since 1992, and I don’t give you advice on part-time work ...

                  Firstly, I didn’t drink vodka with you, and keep yourself within the bounds of decency. Secondly, if you do not need anything, are you complaining about fate from boredom? Or closer ones do not perceive you?
                  I have already been "got" by their simplicity, leavened patriots and simply mediocrity

                  And I am already beginning to be annoyed by these snot of mossy CPSU-losers, who first ruined the country, and then "faded" into retirement and today are teaching from the stove how to live and who to believe in. In order not to moan today, it was necessary to actively support (or defend) the USSR until 92. And the "trash" is in power today thanks to your efforts. The country was impoverished from your stupidity and communist obstinacy.
                  In the USSR, we changed places of residence and work because of high wages and a desire to create the right where there was nothing before us.

                  What are you "driving" here, creators ?! There was an increased salary in the "North", so everyone poured here. They stopped paying, and the Far East, BAM, Kr.sever began to lose population. Can you also say that you were following the "smell of the taiga"? Your generation is not Korchaginsky.
        3. 0
          17 May 2019 07: 59
          ROSS 42 (42 region) Yesterday, 15:54
          That in a poor country oriented to poor working people

          if the country is beggar, people are beggars, then excuse me, how is it that you fought these lines with a high syllable? So you have the Internet and have a computer (tablet, smartphone). And meanwhile
          Beggars - a category of people who are below the extreme poverty line and forced to live off alms and charity from relatives, charitable organizations or the state.

          it follows that you yourself are either not quite a pauper or not a citizen of our country. I do not claim that you are lying intentionally, but that something is somewhat at odds with your words hi
          ps probably because of the extreme poverty of our citizens I can not find a place in the evening for parking, all yards are clogged with cars? Am I being deceived or have the criteria for poverty changed? lol
          1. +2
            17 May 2019 11: 33
            Quote: Ka-52
            fought these lines high syllable

            I was taught to sculpt a high syllable in a Soviet school, where the spelling of words was honed when writing expositions and essays.
            Quote: Ka-52
            So you have the Internet and have a computer (tablet, smartphone). And meanwhile

            In my city (Kemerovo) there are several providers, and if you have the Internet - the status of the oligarchy (security), then ... fool I hardly use a phone (push-button philips), I don’t have a car and I’m not accustomed to lie. I am not a beggar in the notion that I am not infected by the power of money. And it’s not for you to tell me about the civic duty, which I fulfilled (according to the Ministry of Defense) impeccably, and the opinion of all sorts of people interests me a little.
            You change the cliche set, otherwise you have the same accusations repeated too often. In the results I will write more.
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            2. -1
              20 May 2019 13: 24
              I almost never use a phone

              go online by the power of thought? lol can be envied. And I have to do the old-fashioned way - from the computer.
    2. 0
      22 May 2019 17: 26
      Tell me, what is this su-57E?
      It is difficult to describe it without the letter E, because there are no 2 identical Su-57s, and with it, in general, incomprehensibility is complete.
  2. -5
    16 May 2019 06: 23
    . The media reported that India was unhappy with the inconspicuous performance of the T-50 prototypes

    This is because the tests were carried out in clear weather (million per million). And it would be cloudy, indicators arranged them smile
  3. +2
    16 May 2019 07: 33
    Two will be sold to the Chinese and in a year they will go there in a series
    1. 0
      16 May 2019 08: 57
      A series of photocopies is unlikely, but the upgraded J-20 will certainly appear.
    2. -1
      17 May 2019 17: 23
      the great Chinese have still not been able to make the AL-31f, despite the presence of engines, chkrtezhe and technological map, and here .... hrenaks! done in a year))
  4. +6
    16 May 2019 07: 56
    This is strange. Why sell them at all ??! Money is good, of course, but the technology and the plane itself can get to a potential rival ... Plus, it’s strange to compare the Su-57 and F-35. It’s a different class of car. If we compare it with anyone, then with the Raptor., Which is not sold at all
  5. +1
    16 May 2019 09: 57
    For the Su-57E to appear, it is not just a letter "E" to add, it is several years of various measures to bring the aircraft to an export appearance ..
    1. +2
      16 May 2019 10: 39
      Director for International Cooperation Rostec Viktor Kladov:
      "It should be noted that the aircraft, which was previously called PAK FA (Advanced Aviation Complex of Frontline Aviation), already has an export passport, but now the name is being changed to Su-57.
      The very same export version of the modern Russian fighter Su-57E will be presented to the public in the fall of 2019 at an air show in Dubai. "
      We are waiting for the autumn, according to it, as you know, chickens are counted.
  6. -8
    16 May 2019 10: 12
    Well, if mega expensive and mega failed for all TTX F-35s bought 390 units, then how many will buy Russian Defense Ministry and other countries that have no analogues Su-57? Probably several thousand, because everyone knows that the Su-57 is better than the Fu-35
  7. -4
    16 May 2019 10: 37
    Those. who can afford it will buy F35 the one who is worse than Su57.
    "The President noted that by 2028 it is necessary to re-equip three VKS regiments" - and this is in contrast to 2443 units. F-35 and 188pcs. The US has the F22, and the 2028th generation will be put into service by 6.
    1. 0
      16 May 2019 12: 24
      Quote: morgan
      Those. who can afford it will buy F35 the one who is worse than Su57.

      It's not about the price, but the FUNCTIONAL of platforms and the ability to perform tasks of a wide range, as well as after-sales service. Even 5 years ago, the approximate price of the export SU-57, -100 million dollars, was announced. It was for this price that they wanted to sell the SU-57 spark to the Indians.
    2. +1
      16 May 2019 13: 58
      morgan (morgan) Today, 10:37 AM
      that by 2028 it is necessary to re-equip three VKS regiments "- and this is in contrast to 2443 units of F-35 and 188 units of F22 from the United States,

      if the state wants to buy the Su-57 not even 2443 pieces, but at least half of that, then I think you will be the first to run screaming "the damned government left us naked."
      and until 2028 the 6th generation will be put into service.

      The ATF program for the development of the 5th generation F-22 aircraft lasted 20 years (from the opening of the program to the start of production of the first serial aircraft), you think that the 6th generation will master it in 9 years. Although there is not even a plain concept of 6th generation combat aircraft. Lord, probably the Americans themselves do not have as much faith in the infallibility of their military-industrial complex and weapons as some "sympathizers" in the territory of the former USSR belay
      1. -2
        16 May 2019 18: 39
        Quote: Ka-52
        if the state wants to buy the Su-57 not even 2443 pieces, but at least half of that, then I think you will be the first to run screaming "the damned government left us naked."

        Do you want me to quickly find grandma Pts?
        The maintenance of the State Duma apparatus and the deputies themselves was spent in 2014 (with a parliamentarian's salary of 250 thousand rubles) - 8 billion. Now the deputy's salary is more than 400 thousand. Therefore, the sum of 14 years can be safely multiplied by 2. Further. We have 450 deputies. A quarter only attends meetings regularly. Conclusion - you can BOLDLY leave 150 pieces, then we get savings of 8 billions in the easy. And this is one Su-57 at a price "for the Indians". You say: One a year is not enough! But! Let me remind you that in addition to the State Duma, we also have regional and other councils of the subjects of the federation. And we have 85 of them! Considering that the salary of these "servants of the people" is two times lower than the federal level, then it seems that by optimizing them one can "find" four billion. Just. In total, something about a little more than three hundred (THREE HUNDRED CARL !!!!!) billion. Exactly on 50 Su-57s they watched. ANNUALLY!

        Quote: Ka-52
        Although there is not even a plain concept of 6th generation combat aircraft. Lord, probably the Americans themselves do not have as much faith in the infallibility of their military-industrial complex and weapons as some "sympathizers" in the territory of the former USSR

        I do not want to upset you, but the program of the sixth generation fighter in the United States, apparently, has been around for twenty years now.
        1. 0
          17 May 2019 04: 57
          I do not want to upset you, but the program of the sixth generation fighter in the United States, apparently, has been around for twenty years now.

          I don’t want to upset you, but for 20 years it has been going on only in the world of your fantasies.
          Do you want me to quickly find grandma Pts?

          you would not argue, and once again go to school, learn arithmetic laughing
          I take your initial data without checking: there were 450 deputies - 150 = 300 x 400 (the salary you specified) = 000 million rubles / month. x 120 = 12 billion 1 million rubles. in year. Where is your promised $ 440 billion? In the best case, it will be scraped into 8 plane at prices "for yourself", and that is not a fact))) That's how you always, in attempts to exaggerate, you are ready to break your forehead. And you start to check - some soap bubbles
          1. -1
            17 May 2019 09: 19
            Quote: Ka-52

            I don’t want to upset you, but for 20 years it has been going on only in the world of your fantasies.

            I do not want to upset you, but in the open press, the Americans began to talk about the sixth generation, the Americans began to speak after the first f-35 flight. Think for yourself how long this program lasts.
            Quote: Ka-52
            you would not argue, and once again go to school, learn arithmetic
            I take your initial data without verification: there were 450 deputies - 150 = 300 x 400 000 (the salary you indicated) = 120 million rubles / month. x 12 = 1 billion 440 million rubles. in year. Where are your promised 8 billion

            If you, my dear, would go somewhere EXCEPT school, you would know that each "people's servant" has his own APPARATUS, and this retinue requires money. In addition, everyone is entitled to an apartment car and other bonuses.
            1. -1
              20 May 2019 13: 15
              I do not want to upset you, but in the open press, the Americans began to talk about the sixth generation, the Americans began to speak after the first f-35 flight. Think for yourself how long this program lasts.

              haha)) the concept of "program" in the R&D system on the orders of the US Department of Defense is not an article in the "open press" for you. The program begins with the Air Force formulating product requirements. A kind of terms of reference. Which describes all the desired characteristics of the product and the conditions for its use. This TK is sent to the development companies. According to the projects presented by them, a pool of the most promising (2-3 companies) is selected. And already with them an agreement is concluded for financing R&D. This takes 2-3 years. After 2,3 ... 5 years, companies must submit prototypes to the commission with a report on the costs of the allocated funds. Etc. etc.
              All this is not naive blah blah blah, as you imagine here. This is a serious process related to a certain procedure, including and financial. And now, can you write to me WHAT is formulated in the ToR, when and who was chosen for R&D, preliminary results (sketches, prototypes, etc.) on the 6th generation IFI?
              If you, my dear, would go somewhere EXCEPT school, you would know that each "people's servant" has his own APPARATUS, and this retinue requires money. In addition, everyone is entitled to an apartment car and other bonuses.

              oh, yes, well then, make an estimate of "dachas, apartments, planes, steamers." I think it will not be difficult for you to give a detailed analysis of the costs of maintaining one people's choice. And then the pack is that everything is with a finger to the sky, according to the principle, the larger the number, the more significant the effect it brings :))
  8. +8
    16 May 2019 10: 40
    The first buyer of the Su-57E will be China. They will buy one squadron (like the Su-35) with sets of additional engines.
    To refuse such a large client would be impolite.
  9. kig
    +5
    16 May 2019 11: 06
    The author, this is called sharing the skin of a bear who is still running through the forest.
  10. 0
    16 May 2019 11: 49
    I am sure that if Su57 is exported, it will be delivered only with dividers, those that currently stand on it, and no second stages will be exported. But in general, you need to do planes yourself first.
  11. -1
    16 May 2019 11: 53
    There will be no "collision"! The F-35 has been in the series for a long time, and we are adjusting everything, adjusting ... The engine of the "first stage", the engine of the "second stage", the new VREO, new weapons ... And it looks like there is no end in sight! So if we are going to build, then the same, 76 pieces for ourselves!
    1. -3
      16 May 2019 14: 06
      senima56 (Nikolai) Today, 11:53
      "First stage" engine, "second stage" engine

      chef, everything is gone, the cast is being removed ... dear, you probably think that the Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 appeared on the F-22 right away? EMNIP, he began to be placed only 5 years after the first departure.
      new WREO

      maybe all the same avionics?
    2. -1
      16 May 2019 18: 41
      Of course it won't. It has already ended and resembled the beating of a baby.
  12. -1
    16 May 2019 12: 46
    So it means that I didn’t hit 21 f16, it's a pity
  13. 0
    16 May 2019 13: 53
    . The air forces of this North African country are already equipped with Russian multifunctional fighters Su-30MKA and Su-35.

    Su-35S in Algeria? Where ??? The product was produced only for the Russian Aerospace Forces and for export to China.
    Dear author, did you confuse anything ???
  14. 0
    16 May 2019 16: 28
    If you do not sell Russian planes abroad, then American planes will be everywhere abroad (Chinese for gourmets). If you close the aviation enterprises and adjacent to them, the number of poor citizens in the country will increase exactly by the number of workers and engineers of these plants, plus their families. If you stop making planes altogether, and give the money for their production to the elderly, homeless and children, then after the n-amount of time (rather short) there will be no old people, no homeless people, no children for lack of them.
    About the "beggar" shoemaker without boots. There is no need to replace the meaning of this old Russian proverb. It lies in the fact that a shoemaker without boots turned out to be because he gives himself everything at his work, but does not leave time and energy to direct his experience to solving his personal problems. And to catch up ... Not all, of course, shoemakers Christiane Louboutins, but why then, no offense to shoemakers, be it said, there is such an expression: "Drunk as a shoemaker"? What, if I may say so, does he drink vodka?
    Conclusion: when producing new aircraft, one should not forget about the people who make them. And in the light of the fight against corruption, it is significant that instead of 16 they buy as many 76 Su-57 pieces for the videoconferencing, i.e. on whole 60 pcs. more.
  15. 0
    16 May 2019 19: 37
    This will be the first epic file of a Russian aircraft. I’ll say as a marketer to a marketer that these aircraft are in different market segments. One drummer, the second gaining superiority in the air with the ability to work on the ground. One single-engine, the second twin-engine. Take-off masses are different. The tactics are obviously different. And they will compete for the price))) This is a failure.

    In Russia, I know 3 excellent products: Peter the Great coffee beans, terminals of the NPO Cascade of Chebaksary and laser machines Unimash of St. Petersburg. Everything else in Russia is not able to do or do worse than imported. This also applies to aircraft, no matter how sad it may be to realize.
    1. +2
      16 May 2019 22: 13
      In the USA, I know 3 excellent products: Cola, Jeordash Jeans and Wrigley chewing gum). They do not know how to do the rest in the USA or do worse than import. This also applies to airplanes, sadly for you (apparently adoring everything imported), we can state this, recalling the recent file of the Ova aviation industry with an airplane-picker B-737MAX).
      1. +1
        16 May 2019 23: 14
        Quote: kirill_1284
        In the US, I know 3 great products.

        The best processors and graphics accelerators (Intel, AMD, Nvidia), Haas machines, flux and solder, software, phones. The list contains things that you had to work with or use yourself.
        1. 0
          16 May 2019 23: 31
          Yes, bullshit, the Chinese have phones and software no worse, but more accessible and they don’t pour data into the Pentagon) But they fly into space on our engines. A 400Tc thrust rocket engine is not a graphic accelerator to blurt out, you need to think about it) .. what is Zadornov talking about them about?)
          1. +1
            17 May 2019 00: 57
            Yes, garbage, the Chinese have phones and software just as good

            Phones on which hardware? Chinese?
            The Chinese use ARM (British) in their phones, and in laptops and computers - Intel / AMD / Nvidia (USA).
            The software is written on what, in what environment is programming And what is there for the OS? Is Android (US)?
          2. 0
            17 May 2019 08: 35
            Quote: kirill_1284
            Yes, garbage, the Chinese have phones and software just as good

            All owners of Chinese phones are trying to convince others that their phones are no worse))) This is ridiculous. And from Chinese software I always remember clumsy fonts. This is definitely not worse.

            Quote: kirill_1284
            But in space on our engines fly. A rocket engine with a thrust of 400Ts is not a graphic accelerator to blurt out, here you need to think)

            Firstly, I did not say anything about space. Secondly, only the second stage of the Atlas flies on our engines. Thirdly, the engine can be considered if it finds application in various devices and these devices have excellent performance. And the Atlas rocket is insanely expensive, which means there is little good in it. And more, nobody needs this engine. Fourth, the graphics accelerator market is larger than the rocket engine market.

            Quote: kirill_1284
            what did Zadornov say about them?)

            I’d better remember what Stalin said about the Americans. And let Zadorny’s performances leave him to the public, who aren’t doing such stupid things.
        2. KCA
          0
          18 May 2019 13: 13
          Intel from Malaysia, AMD from Dresden, I don’t know the machines, smartphones from China, I don’t know what flux and solder they do in the USA, but I personally was an CEA installer for 5 years and a supplier of components and materials for XNUMX years, I swear I never saw flux and solder from the United States, everything is made in Russia, according to Nvidia you didn’t get anything wrong?
          NVIDIA IS FOUNDED BY JENSEN HUANG, CHRIS MALACHOWSKY AND KURTIS
          NVIDIA entered into its first strategic partnership with SGS-Thomson Microelectronics to produce a single-chip graphical user interface accelerator. Diamond Multimedia Systems was selected to install processors on multimedia accelerator boards.
          SGS thompson, nonche STM has headquarters in Amsterdam and the only branch in the USA
  16. -2
    16 May 2019 21: 45
    Quote: Den717

    You are thrown to the mercy of fate in the first place by an unwillingness to simply think and move. Of all those invited to the medical examination there is no more than 20%. And the rest wiggle their snot on their fist as they were thrown, while their own sores are brought to chronic and incurable forms with expensive drugs.

    Bullshit and demagogy of a comrade who has not been touched. Clinical examination is fiction and formality, but even if they find something, the poor working still have no money for treatment (with supposedly free medicine).
    Quote: Den717

    Regarding the rule of law, they began to bend down drivers; in three years, deaths in traffic accidents doubled. And bring the fact where in Russia the police are afraid to go? But in Paris there are such areas, and in New York too.

    Just a pearl. Where did they get such statistics, invented it themselves? Constantly resonant accidents occur with the death of people. and the perpetrators (often not ordinary people) easily evade responsibility - this is the rule of law in your opinion. And, apparently, the Police (policemen) dear to your heart protect only themselves and their owners, they do not care about protecting the rights of ordinary people. But to help their curators to take away business or property from someone is a sweet deal.
    Quote: Den717

    Do not sit in one place, go there where these difficulties are not (in your own country), an average American moves to work up to 15-17 times. Just love to cry a lot, sitting on the stove.

    How simple it all turns out. And they often moved themselves in search of work?) And it’s good to learn from someone else’s example)
  17. -2
    17 May 2019 00: 13
    And when in 2009 signed the FIRST contract for the Su-35S, also, probably, some whined ...
  18. 0
    17 May 2019 10: 05
    Three regiments, this, perhaps, will be a division.
  19. KCA
    0
    18 May 2019 12: 43
    China succeeded in copying the appearance, but not the TTX, it was not just that they bought and are buying Soviet / Russian aircraft engines, and in very good quantity
  20. -1
    21 May 2019 09: 23
    We need to actively develop the arms market of Africa. From more developed countries (for example, India), Russian weapons are already being supplanted. At the moment, Africa is a reliable political and economic partner of the Russian Federation.