An-124 - the resumption of Ukrainian-Russian cooperation !?

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14 June 2012 of the year between Ukraine and Russia, a protocol was signed, according to which both parties intend to resume mass production of An-124 aircraft before the end of 2012. The signing of this document was the result of a ten-day meeting of the commission on Ukrainian-Russian cooperation, which is part of the Interstate Commission.

Dmitry Kolesnikov, who is the chairman of the state agency for managing state corporate rights and property, announced the plans of the two states.

It should be noted that the beginning of the summer of this year was already marked by the presence of certain prospects. So, the Ukrainian aviation industry, after long and difficult negotiations with Russian aircraft builders, reached certain agreements. At the same time, more or less clear answers were received to the most pressing questions regarding the An-70 (military transport aircraft), as well as on the An-124 (unique transport aircraft).

Interest in the joint construction of aircraft resumed almost a field of an entire year of calm. Back in the early spring of last year, the United Aircraft Corporation and the Antonov State Aircraft Concern signed an agreement on the sale and purchase of 50 percent of the authorized capital of UAC - Civil Aircraft, on the basis of which it was planned to create a joint venture UAC - Antonov over time. At that time, the deal was clearly political in nature, since the prime ministers of two states, N. Azarov and V. Putin, were present at its signing.

At first, the Russian side wanted to acquire 51 a percentage of the shares of the Ukrainian concern Antonov, which would make it possible to virtually completely control the intellectual property of the Ukrainian side. It is clear that many representatives of Ukraine did not arrange such an outcome of events, therefore, the parties did not succeed in reaching an agreement.

The next attempt was made in May 2011, when a group of KLA leaders headed by M. Pogosyan arrived in the Ukrainian capital. Then, according to unofficial information, a proposal was made to the management of the Ukrainian company regarding the transfer of a certain share of the capacity of the Voronezh and Ulyanovsk aircraft manufacturing plants to control the future joint venture. In exchange, the Antonov concern should have transferred the power and intellectual property of the design bureau to the control of the joint venture. However, such a proposal was extremely doubtful for the Ukrainian side, since the plant is a single whole, and it is not possible to divide and moreover transfer certain plants to the control of another enterprise.

And at the end of May this year, during a field meeting of the interstate commission, in which S. Naryshkin (speaker of the State Duma of Russia), V. Litvin (chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine), as well as representatives of departments and ministries that are directly associated with aviation industry, it was decided to jointly produce the An-70 and An-124 Ruslan. Until 2030, it is planned to build 150 models of the first type and about 50 of the second.

According to the head of the United Aircraft Building Corporation M.Pogosyan, who spoke at the meeting, starting from now, and up to 2030, it is planned to send approximately 75 An-124 only for modernization and repair. Of these, about 40 percent belongs to the Russian military department. In addition, it is planned not only to carry out repair and modernization works, but also to resume the production of Ruslan - up to 2030, about 45-50 units. He also clarified that the main customers of the aircraft are the Ukrainian and Russian military ministries.

But these are far-reaching plans. As for the closer prospects, then, according to Lieutenant-General V.Kachalkin, commander of the Russian military transport aviation, during 2014-2020 the Russian side should receive 60 military-transport An-70. This year it is planned to complete the research and experimental design. Thus, a new tactical-operational aircraft will be created, which will be designed to perform military tasks. Regarding An-124, it is predicted that 2020 units of various modifications of this model will be obtained by 25.

At the same time, the Russian military transport aircraft will not acquire foreign aircraft, since the samples of the joint Ukrainian-Russian production fully satisfy the requirements of the Russian military.

Such statements are heavy. Recall that the project regarding the production of An-124 was resumed in 2009 year. In this process, D. Medvedev played an active role, who then held the post of head of state, and who instructed the government to contribute to the state armaments program the purchase of 20 Ruslan. At about the same time, a statement was made that it was planned to resume the production of these cargo aircraft, which, by the way, are the largest vehicles of this class. In addition to military interest, the interests of civilian carriers, who have declared their desire to purchase 60 An-124, will also be taken into account.

After the meeting, Russian experts said that the majority of potential customers are waiting for a clear response from the Russian military department regarding An-124. And the decision to resume the joint Ukrainian-Russian production Ruslan is really a principled state position, expressed besides quantitatively. The main condition that was set by the Russian United Aircraft Corporation was that a contract with the military should be made for a relatively large batch of aircraft, because according to the project, with an increase in payload to 150 tons, the profitability of the development of the Ruslan can be achieved with minimum order in 40 machines. Thus, if we are talking about 50 An-124, then this is quite a satisfactory figure.

If we talk about An-70, then the solution of issues has come to the final stage. As you know, even in 2006, the implementation of this project was threatened with termination, since V. Mikhailov, being at that time commander-in-chief of the Russian air force, stated that the army does not need such a model of cargo transport plane, and that it is preferable for her use of modernized IL-76. At this point in time, these statements are recognized as erroneous, and the Russian-Ukrainian program for the joint production of An-70 received further development.

It is necessary to note the fact that the Russian side is extremely interested in the development of its military transport aviation. This is evidenced by the statements of D. Rogozin, made by him in the late spring of this year that the production of military transport vehicles will be separated into a separate system, which will be engaged in the production of almost all transport aircraft models, including the An-70 and An- 124. The only exception is IL-96.

Recall, until recently, the United Aircraft Building Corporation had four structures for the production of aircraft, depending on the purpose. At the same time, most of the revenue went to military aviation (80 percent). Approximately 15 percent was received by civil aviation, 5 percent of profit accounted for approximately in equal shares on special and transport aviation.

The fact that the structure of the UAC was not provided for the structure of military transport aviation, is understandable, since over the past year only two IL-76 was put into operation. But after signing the protocol, the situation is predicted to change radically. In addition to IL-76, An-124 will be produced in Ulyanovsk, and An-70 in Voronezh.

It should be noted that there are already certain changes in both projects. So, in June 2012 of the year, a number of the most pressing issues regarding the resumption of joint production have already been scheduled.

If we talk about projects in general, it is obvious that the scheme of their implementation is exactly the same as it was proposed several years ago. In Ukraine, a small part of the aircraft will be produced for joint projects, as well as components for modernized machines, all the main production will be carried out in Russia. Thus, the Ukrainian Motor Sich will produce D-27 engines for An-70, which, starting from 2013, will be produced 12 units. Gradually, the pace will increase.

In addition, the D-18T engines, which are used in the An-124, will be produced at the same plant.

Thus, a simple conclusion suggests itself, the most promising joint Ukrainian-Russian projects with respect to military transport aviation are more profitable for the Russian Ministry of Defense, since the Ukrainian side needs a very small proportion of aircraft vehicles. But at the same time, there is a real opportunity over time to enter the Asian market and receive significant profits, since the level of purchases of military equipment there is developing much faster.

But while the project exists only on paper. And it will remain there until the parties can agree on production and financial differences. Otherwise, the real union and the creation of a joint Ukrainian-Russian aircraft building enterprise will remain only a dream. And no meetings will be able to solve any commissions.

Materials used:
http://hvylya.org/analytics/economics/25636-ruslan-i-politika-vyhod-iz-aviastroitelnogo-tupika.html
http://www.finam.ru/analysis/forecasts012ED/default.asp
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  1. White
    +11
    26 June 2012 09: 14
    I hope that this time we will turn from talking to concrete cases and all these plans will not remain. But in Russia’s society with its area, it’s extremely dangerous to have virtually dying aviation.

    PS One more question excites me whether Poghosyan started it just to take intellectual property for himself, and he does not give a damn about the production of any Anovs.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +3
      26 June 2012 12: 31
      Quote: White
      I hope that this time we will turn from talking to concrete cases and all these plans will not remain


      I'm afraid to disappoint you, +!

      Never before have protocols of intent, even signed by the person, been an obligation !!! Unfortunately... request


      Quote: White
      I’m worried about another question whether Poghosyan started it just to take intellectual property, and he doesn’t give a damn about the production of any Anovs.


      As long as the KLA and Poghosyan exist ... no one will have anything but Su-34, Su-35 and Super-duper ......

      The illusive hope that the Ilyushensk-Yakovlevsky MS-21 may appear otherwise the civilian passenger transportation market will even fall into our hands!
      1. FID
        +3
        26 June 2012 12: 59
        Most likely Poghosyan will push through the super-project for 100-150 places. Talk about this is already underway. And MS-21 is almost a screwdriver assembly. Of the control systems - only self-propelled guns seem to be ours, and everything else is French and Germans.
        1. beard999
          +2
          26 June 2012 17: 17
          Quote: SSI
          MS-21 is almost a screwdriver assembly

          Do not exaggerate. Russian on the MC-21 - aerodynamic design, CMS, hydraulic system, CCD, landing gear, fuselage and wing (including mechanization), engine (and PD-14 is by no means “prototype”, as you say, it’s already being tested - http: // pmz.ru/pr/news/1423/). The volume of our own Russian developments in no way allows us to call the MC-21 production a "screwdriver assembly."
          1. FID
            +4
            26 June 2012 18: 59
            I guess I agree with you. All the same, it’s not Super .., but it’s not yet a real engine in tests. And, knowing the PMZ, I can assume that it will not be soon.
            An example is the PS-90 of various modifications. A good motor, but how much trouble the operators have with it. Examples: Red Wings (recently won the trial against PMZ), Kubana de Aviation - no spare parts and units overdue.
      2. +1
        26 June 2012 13: 19
        Quote: veteran.air force
        what may appear Ilyushensko-Yakovlevsky MS-21

        Today there was something in the tails that was purged in the tsag, approved and the first will take off in 2015, sorry I could not answer on wolk 71- it incurred unambiguously.
        1. FID
          +1
          26 June 2012 13: 39
          Already moved to 2016.
        2. VAF
          VAF
          +3
          26 June 2012 13: 56
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Today in the tails there was something purged in the tsag, approved and the first will take off in 2015,


          The namesake has already answered, while the transfer to 2016, you can trust him at 1000% !!!!

          He, like no one else, is in "courses" !!! +! drinks

          Here on the motors on the MS-21 infa there is an exact one that they already launched a trial at the stand !!!

          Forget 71 and do not remember wolk ... it’s not worth it !!!
          Sincerely.
          1. FID
            +1
            26 June 2012 14: 26
            Prototype PD-14. And in 2015, the plane will fly if there is money. So far, financing on a residual basis. It looks like they will be doing super for 100-150 seats.
            1. VAF
              VAF
              +1
              26 June 2012 16: 12
              Quote: SSI
              It looks like they will be doing super for 100-150 seats.


              They are namesake, they’re trying now, but there are a lot of problems, in principle, these 8 that fly in Soz and the Armenians and are leased by them only on condition of replacement with long cars!
              1. FID
                +3
                26 June 2012 16: 23
                So far Boeing has not agreed. Poghosyan is trying to build a "new" plane with the Italians, but .... It seems that we are talking about a joint venture with the Italians. Therefore, the MS-21 is neither wobbly nor roll.
      3. +3
        26 June 2012 20: 09
        Quote: veteran.air force
        As long as the KLA and Poghosyan exist ... no one will have anything but Su-34, Su-35 and Super-duper ......
        The illusive hope that the Ilyushensk-Yakovlevsky MS-21 may appear otherwise the civilian passenger transportation market will even fall into our hands!

        And besides "Super-Duper" there are capable really download civil aviation projects? Until it comes to the MC-21, without the "Super-Duper" it will float belly to the top.
        1. VAF
          VAF
          0
          26 June 2012 22: 09
          Quote: luiswoo
          Until it comes to the MC-21, without the "Super-Duper" it will float belly to the top.


          So we’ve been swimming for 15 years now, as you say, belly to the top or you didn’t notice.

          This problem was discussed as recently as the day before yesterday, to the smallest detail with comments and conclusions (documented !!!) so we won’t return! +! drinks
    2. mind1954
      0
      27 June 2012 06: 11
      And then Poghosyan? He is most likely a performer!
      Citizen Putin at VorAZ said what is needed with the firm "Boeing"
      production of the AN-124 resume !!!
      Citizen Putin probably has a wagon of Boeing shares!
      DO NOT SURPRISE !!!
  2. Tirpitz
    +8
    26 June 2012 09: 38
    Plans, plans, plans, like Hitler’s. In the news lately, there are only plans, unfortunately. Very scarce information about the work actually done. All in 2020, 2030, 2050. Pleases only combat aircraft.
    1. +6
      26 June 2012 10: 00
      Tirpitz agrees, plans, plans .... But Boeing, though information on civilian aircraft, releases per month
      I plan to increase 737 - 32 cars to 40
      777 - 10-12 cars plan to increase to 20
      787 - DreamLiner - 7 cars
      On military transport, I think even more ...

      Well, what can I say after that, one thing is good that at least somehow they moved.
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +4
        26 June 2012 12: 34
        Quote: SrgSoap
        On military transport, I think even more ...


        You think correctly, I laid out this info 3 days ago: S-17 25 units a year, C-130 J - 60 units a year and plans are increasing, because. orders are coming.

        And there, the A-400 is on the way, already real and with orders.

        S-295 generally goes to grab!
        So if in short
        1. +1
          26 June 2012 13: 12
          Thanks for the information.
    2. 755962
      +2
      26 June 2012 11: 53
      Quote: Tirpitz
      Plans, plans, plans

      When will we move from words to deeds?They cannot share control stakes! This is the main reason for "stagnation" - money!
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +5
        26 June 2012 12: 39
        Quote: 755962
        When will we move from words to deeds?


        Eugene, with such a guide ..... very soon, but rather ... never !!!

        Another thing is striking ... A quote from the article "... As for the more immediate prospects, then, according to Lieutenant General V. Kachalkin, the commander of the Russian military transport aviation, during 2014-2020 the Russian side should receive 60 military transport An-70.
        This year, it is planned to complete research and experimental design.
        Thus, a new tactical and operational aircraft will be created, which will be designed to perform military tasks.
        As for the An-124, 2020 units of various modifications of this model are expected to be received by 25 .. ".......

        This is how .... I drank and forgot to have a bite .... or they said so, I must say, so said ???
        1. +1
          26 June 2012 13: 32
          veteran.air force there is a question it seems to me or really A400 and An70 are very similar. as far as I remember, the An70 was developed and presented at an air show much earlier, it seems to be in Bourges. Really tore off ???
          1. FID
            +7
            26 June 2012 13: 38
            Initially, Square was planning to build this aircraft together with Airbus. The French received technical documentation and simply refused to continue to work with Ukraine. So the A400 was born.
            1. +2
              26 June 2012 13: 42
              Thanks for the info. Here is also a quote:

              "Despite the obvious loss of the European transport company in price and technical performance, the European Union continues to rely on the A400M for political reasons to the detriment of the Ukrainian AN-70.

              The European transport aircraft A400M "Grizzly" has begun to be assembled in series - reports Defense News from London. The dear child of the Airbus concern will roll off the assembly line as a series in 2012. At least, this is what the manufacturers themselves hope for, suggesting that four cars will be produced this year. And in early 2013, the first aircraft will enter service with the French Air Force - such a hope was expressed by representatives of Airbus Military.

              In the future, Airbus plans to produce 5 transporters every 2 months

              However, it is possible that a competitor to the Ukrainian AN-70 will face another delay - an export credit agreement, has not yet been signed by two countries participating in the project - Turkey and the UK. Although, according to the representative of the concern, this issue is already on the verge of solution and is not a problem. The key was the approval of the program by France and Germany. A loan of 1,5 billion euros should be additional funding for Airbus, which will be repaid through future export deliveries of the transporter.

              The program for the creation and launch of the A400M has been repeatedly disrupted due to technical problems and the constant need for additional funding. So in addition to the initial 20 billion euros allocated for the project, the Airbus concern requested an additional 5 billion.

              The creation of the aircraft continues solely for political reasons, because its competitor AN-70 noticeably surpasses the A400M in carrying capacity and is capable of transporting 10 tons more cargo. AN-70 lifts 47 tons of cargo into the air, the cargo compartment volume is 425 cubic meters. m. while the European transport has a limit of 37 tons with a cargo compartment of 340 cubic meters.

              At the same time, according to experts, the cost of the Ukrainian car is $ 50-70 million against 145 million euros of the cost of the A400M.

              During the development of the project, due to its high cost and constant delays in delivery, orders for A400M were refused by the Air Forces of Italy, Chile and South Africa. "

              How reliable in terms of technical parameters is the An70 really better?
              1. FID
                +4
                26 June 2012 13: 59
                The original is always better than a copy is well known. The numbers do not know yet. They will collect the plane - numbers will appear. After all, only one plane flew - the one that crashed in Irkutsk.
                1. VAF
                  VAF
                  +2
                  26 June 2012 15: 54
                  Quote: SSI
                  the one that crashed in Irkutsk.


                  Namesake, in Omsk, in 2001, +





                  1. FID
                    +4
                    26 June 2012 16: 24
                    To blame! In Irkutsk - Ruslan!
                  2. +1
                    26 June 2012 21: 47
                    he flies right now. The An-70 crashed earlier during tests near Gostomel, in the late 90s.
                    1. VAF
                      VAF
                      +1
                      26 June 2012 22: 12
                      Quote: Aeneas
                      The An-70 crashed earlier during tests near Gostomel, in the late 90s.


                      It was such a thing in 1995, but there was a fatal mistake of the pilots, they collided in mid-air with an AN-72 escort aircraft, there was nothing to do with the plane!

                      cool car ... was ... for those times, +! drinks
            2. +1
              26 June 2012 21: 45
              infa is not valid. They were going to build with Russia and Germany, the plane was called An 7X.
          2. VAF
            VAF
            +2
            26 June 2012 15: 35
            Quote: SrgSoap
            Really tore off ???


            The namesake answered you in such detail that there’s nothing to add, just to illustrate! +! drinks





            Quote: SrgSoap
            Really tore off ???


            The namesake answered you in such detail that there’s nothing to add, just to illustrate! +! drinks



            1. +2
              26 June 2012 17: 20
              Thank you drinks good The current does not seem to be very successfully ripped off if it loses to ours.
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +1
                26 June 2012 22: 13
                Quote: SrgSoap
                The current does not seem to be very successfully ripped off if it loses to ours.


                Always please, only loses what ??? +! recourse
                1. 0
                  28 June 2012 11: 13
                  But isn't it superior in flight performance?

                  "The AN-70 noticeably surpasses the A400M in carrying capacity and is capable of carrying 10 tons more cargo. The AN-70 lifts 47 tons of cargo into the air, the volume of the cargo compartment is 425 cubic meters, while the European transport company has a limit of 37 tons. with a cargo compartment volume of 340 cubic meters.

                  At the same time, according to experts, the cost of the AN-70 is $ 50–70 million against 145 million euros for the A400M. "
  3. +4
    26 June 2012 09: 55
    Everything will be fine! In 2020! According to the plan! If it all works out!
  4. +3
    26 June 2012 10: 02
    You might think Russia has a choice ... It seems that there is no one wanting to develop an analogue of An-124 from scratch (well, you can recall how much the much needed SSJ-100 was put on the wing), with such a narrow market - there are not many cars, it's easier and more reasonable to reanimate An-124.
    1. +5
      26 June 2012 11: 50

      It was a true project Hercules, in the implementation of which an air launch system capable of outputting something more serious than meteorological satellites - the profit would be beyond. And he could transport more Mriya (450 tons, if I am not mistaken) Only the civil aviation industry from its implementation would be neither warm nor cold ...
  5. FID
    +8
    26 June 2012 10: 39
    Something about Voronezh and An-70 .... Someone Medvedev D.N. being in Kazan, he mentioned that a new plant, or an An-70 production workshop, would be built at KAPO. Somehow we have to decide on the issue of production. After all, the numbers are already flickering 60 cars, 100 cars ....
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +4
      26 June 2012 12: 44
      Quote: SSI
      After all, the numbers are already flickering 60 cars, 100 cars ....


      Namesake, welcome, +!

      It’s good that even so, but before it was 250 pieces ..... fellow


      Quote: SSI
      being in Kazan, he mentioned that a new plant, or an An-70 production workshop, would be built at KAPO.


      LADY, Thought Taburetkin, because. his erysipelas constantly flickered in the background, and Taburetkin is a master ... to bite or dig in parts ... but there is such an obvious hat .... that Dima was 100% told that it’s impossible to be impudent !!!!

      Moreover, VASO is almost empty !!!

      1. FID
        +6
        26 June 2012 12: 56
        Hello!!
        In Voronezh, documentation has already been prepared. Now the guys scratch their turnips, they don’t understand whether to hand over the documentation or not. They already had similar things in transport Il. Already the slipway prepared and repelled the entire project!
  6. sazhka0
    +5
    26 June 2012 10: 39
    Well, like a swan, cancer and pike. So they will never agree, while they pull the blanket, industry will die. And with it the problem itself will disappear. And everyone will remain white and fluffy. And countries in the fool to the delight of Washington. Sadly ..
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +2
      26 June 2012 12: 47
      Quote: sazhka0
      So they will never agree, while they pull the blanket, industry will die


      Sasha, welcome, +! drinks

      You're absolutely right. unfortunately ..... well, I would like to complement Krylov’s grandfather .......

      1. 755962
        +2
        26 June 2012 13: 09
        Quote: veteran.air force
        Well, I would like to complement Krylov’s grandfather.

        As if later it didn’t work out like in another fable ....
        When there is no agreement in the comrades,
        In the mood their business will not go,
        And it will not work out of him, only flour.
  7. vostok
    +5
    26 June 2012 10: 59
    An-124 is a truly unique machine, and they are very necessary for our transport aircraft.
  8. SIA
    SIA
    +1
    26 June 2012 12: 15
    Well, the ice has broken. There is progress. We sat for 10 days thinking. And we really need such airplanes.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +6
      26 June 2012 12: 52
      Quote: SVV
      Well, the ice has broken


      If you still showed where .... moved .... and which way ........ ??? recourse

      Somewhere I already heard it ....... the ice was broken ...... Horns and hooves ..... Zits-chairman Pound ...... recourse

  9. +3
    26 June 2012 12: 55
    IL-76 (IL-476) and An-70 planes close in carrying capacity, what is the point of producing both? Something I do not understand - can someone tell me.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +3
      26 June 2012 16: 08
      Quote: fatalist
      Something I do not understand - can someone tell me.


      Take read my comments to the article "The decision was made to build a plant for the production of An-70 in Kazan" dated June 11 this year, there you will find all the answers to your questions, down to the smallest detail. +!
      Best regards,
  10. khoma nickson
    0
    26 June 2012 13: 58
    Or maybe it was worth leaving the competition to design bureaus and factories, and the buyer (military and airline) would choose what they need. Or create, as planned, two aircraft manufacturing corporations, and not one UAC. Monopolka, of course, is good for concentrating resources, but it also has its drawbacks. And Yushchenko and Yulia greatly spoiled Russian-Ukrainian projects in the field of aviation: many of our decisions to terminate cooperation were made for political reasons.
  11. the gray wolf
    -2
    26 June 2012 14: 09
    According to the head of the United Aircraft Corporation, M. Poghosyan, who spoke at the meeting from now on, and until 2030, it will take a lot of effort to cut the next 7 billions of green, and negotiations with foreign subcontractors are already underway for building villas in Italy and Spain wassat
  12. Imperialist
    -1
    26 June 2012 16: 10
    IL-76 (IL-476) and An-70 planes close in carrying capacity, what is the point of producing both? Something I do not understand - can someone tell me.
  13. -4
    26 June 2012 16: 17
    with Ukraine, nothing will come of it, we are only wasting time. it’s necessary to build airplanes on your own, to buy intellectual property from those who are independent, to steal to the edge, I think there are many who want to sell. Ukraine (the elite) is not interested in positive cooperation, Western sabotage is also not needed, powerful competitors are not needed for the West. West-Ukraine promises joint projects and they are seen on this.
  14. khoma nickson
    +1
    26 June 2012 22: 31
    It seems that Iran has bought or wanted to buy a transport AN, while Lebedev's company "Red Wings" is buying passenger ones.
  15. NickitaDembelnulsa
    +1
    27 June 2012 09: 26
    If the production of An-124 is resumed, then the mobility of our army will increase by an order of magnitude, and this means that our troops can be delivered to almost anywhere in the world.
  16. Odinplys
    0
    28 June 2012 00: 02
    An-124 - the resumption of Ukrainian-Russian cooperation !?

    Pleases ... cooperation and common interests ... always brings together ...
  17. 0
    April 5 2015 15: 16
    Not fused