Does not meet all requirements. Why do the military want to remake the IL-112В

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There is a line that divides the strategically important projects of the Russian aircraft industry and the usual conditional-legal use of budget funds. The latter, for example, can be attributed to the sudden reincarnation of the old Soviet airliner IL-96, which will not meet the requirements of time in any event. Yes, and the customer is not a fact that he will find, even in the territory of his native country.

It is much more interesting to watch the progress of projects that are designed to "breathe" life into the Russian aviation industry. That is, to show that Russia wants and can build modern aircraft. It is even more interesting if such projects are really in demand. A striking example is the IL-112, a promising light transport aircraft. Today we will tell about his difficult fate.



Old people here do not belong

No one doubts that An-24 and An-26 should be changed. Recall that the latter is a modification of the first. An-24 made the first flight "eternity" back - in 1959-m. On the basis of this passenger turboprop engine built a whole family of a variety of aircraft, including - for the PRC.

The military transport An-26 has enormous merit: suffice it to say that in all years more than 1400 have produced such machines. True in his stories There are a lot of black pages. According to unofficial data, up to 2018, more than 140 aircraft were lost in disasters, approximately 1450 people were killed. Without a doubt, the new aircraft should, among other things, be safer. But so far, the Russian military has some complaints.



Little way

The IL-112 aircraft is designed for its specific niche. Recall that, as of the XNUMXst century, the structure of the military transport aviation The Russian Federation has four levels:

- Light military transport aircraft (An-26).
- Medium military transport aircraft (An-12).
- Heavy military transport aircraft (IL-76).
- Super heavy military transport aircraft (An-124).

The tasks for An-26 and An-12 are similar ... at first glance. If the carrying capacity of the An-26 is 5,5 tons, then the An-12 has a maximum payload mass of the “immodest” 21 ton. If the mass of the empty An-26 is 16 tons, then in the An-12 the mass of the empty aircraft without fuel is almost 37 tons. That is, the machines are completely different and most likely cannot replace one plane with another: the lightweight An-26 can be operated without any restrictions at all.

Like its "ancestor", IL-112 can be used from little-equipped airfields with unpaved surfaces. The main flight characteristics of the Il-112 are also almost identical to the An-26. So, in both cars, cruising speed is within 450 kilometers per hour. However, it makes no sense to talk in detail about the dry characteristics of aircraft: this is far from the most important. Rather, there are many other indicators that are no less significant in our age, for example, the quality of on-board electronics. However, in relation to IL-112, we will not soon be able to judge it with certainty.

Also, we will not go into the details of developing a new car, we note only that its birth was a direct consequence of the Russian-Ukrainian political contradictions. Recall that, despite ambitious plans, in May 2011, the Russian Ministry of Defense refused the military transport IL-112 in favor of the Ukrainian An-140. It is not difficult to imagine anything further: the military soon had to revive the Russian project.

It was hard and creaking: nevertheless, on the thirtieth of March of this year, the first flight of the IL-112B took place. The tests were performed at the airport of the enterprise PJSC "VASO", which is part of the Transport Aviation Division of the United Aircraft Building Corporation. “The magnificent plane, there are no questions for it, the flight went well,” commander Nikolai Kuimov commented on the flight.



Running with obstacles

As for the future prospects of the machine, then there are many "but." In general, at the Voronezh aircraft factory they intend to start producing about twelve aircraft per year. There is an interest both from the side of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (this is logical) and allegedly from other states. However, technical difficulties can be in the way of this. “It will take at least eight to ten months to finalize and redesign the IL-112B for the aircraft to comply with the tactical and technical tasks of the Ministry of Defense,” an informed source told Interfax in April. According to him, the problem is the insufficient capacity of the aircraft. The problem was confirmed by another source who knows the situation. “The plane does not yet meet all customer requirements,” he noted.

At the same time, in the office of Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, the problem is considered from the position of eliminating the "childhood diseases" inherent in any new technology. “The development of the aircraft is not easy, like any new technology. It is no secret that the previously set dates for the first flight have already been postponed. At the moment, according to the results of a recent meeting, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, UAC and PJSC "Il" were instructed to provide customers with an updated schedule for the completion of development work on the creation of IL-112В ”, - noted in the department.



But does the problem lie solely in the plane of the novelty of the aircraft? There are objective doubts on this score, especially if we recall the statement by the chief designer of the Il company, Nikolai Talikov, made last December. “Yes, we overloaded the plane. There are objective reasons - a change of generations of designers has passed in the aviation industry. Replenishment went weak, technical universities lost popularity. A young specialist came to us, looked around, learned a bit and went to where they pay more, ”the chief designer said.

This rather frank assessment undoubtedly illustrates the general situation in the industry. And if nothing is changed, the consequences will be very bad. It is appropriate to recall here that, as the example of Germany and Japan shows, our own aircraft industry is easy to “hack”, but it is difficult to resurrect if the base is already lost. It is very hard to create something new and demanded on the world market from scratch, even with huge investments.



At the same time, the situation in Ilyushin itself seems to be deplorable even by the standards of the KLA. Recently it became known that Alexei Rogozin, the son of Dmitry Rogozin, left the post of CEO of the company, although he was appointed there only in 2017 year. In fairness, we note: something he still managed to do. After all, the first flight of the IL-112В is also his merit. Yes, and problems in the company began earlier: it is enough to recall the "slip" with the IL-76MD-90А transporter, the cause of which is called incorrect calculations made back in the 2012 year and resulting in a huge loss to the manufacturer in the face of Aviastar-SP. But by themselves, sudden changes in the aircraft industry, and even at such a high level - not the best sign.

In conclusion, I would like to recall the above. IL-112В - despite all the problems, the necessary and important aircraft for Russia, the alternative to which is not planned in the foreseeable future. This means that the car, most likely, will have to be brought to mind, even by reworking individual components.

Also important is the promotion of IL-112V in foreign markets. By the way, in February it became known that it was proposed to create a special version of the IL-112 for India. This is perhaps the most correct outward direction. With all the difficulties of the Russian-Indian friendship, this South Asian country is the only foreign customer who is ready to buy Russian equipment in large volumes. China has long since shifted to its own military-industrial complex, and Arabs and Africans are unlikely to order a lot of equipment. There are exceptions, but they are exceptions.
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  1. +27
    April 12 2019 18: 17
    Everything that is higher in the article is said more than once and retold again. The water in the stupa is pushed to whom and sundry. I didn’t learn anything new. An airplane is necessary and created in agony, and everyone knows about it.
    1. +17
      April 12 2019 18: 20
      Quote: stalki
      Everything that is higher in the article is said more than once and retold again. The water in the stupa is pushed to whom and sundry. I didn’t learn anything new. An airplane is necessary and created in agony, and everyone knows about it.

      Here in the last three to four years at VO 80% of such articles. Reprinted three hundred times and as many times discussed.
      1. -2
        April 12 2019 19: 02
        Quote: NEXUS
        Here in the last three to four years at VO 80% of such articles. Reprinted three hundred times and as many times discussed.

        And what is your opinion? Explain what you think about the Russian submarine fleet hi I heard the opinions of respected imkins and directly of the fighting boy, there is not enough of your competent opinion. What to do flotuto))))
        1. -2
          April 12 2019 19: 03
          True, my friend hi
          1. +6
            April 12 2019 19: 10
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            True, my friend hi

            Excuse me, this "friend" is running around in the yard and wagging his tail. As for my opinion, I have expressed it more than once. And repeat for the hundredth time, as there is no desire.
      2. +8
        April 12 2019 19: 17
        Quote: NEXUS
        Here in the last three to four years at VO 80% of such articles. Reprinted three hundred times and as many times discussed.

        But doesn’t anything change? Do not these articles give the effect of clarifying elementary concepts and situations. For example, it became clear to me that people stopped believing in the good gentleman and in the panacea of ​​the liberal market. The fact that pennies do not want to work already speaks volumes. If there used to be a homeland that you had to think about, now the question has arisen - where does it start? And the words from the song of Mark Bernes can recall this ... and allow you to compare:
        1. 0
          April 12 2019 19: 34
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Do not these articles give the effect of clarifying elementary concepts and situations.

          They don’t give it, because the situation is TOTAL in the country and the reasons for certain events are known to a very narrow circle of people. And articles and discussions are personal opinions of either the author or the commenter.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          If there used to be a homeland that you had to think about, now the question has arisen - where does it start?

          Homeland always begins with itself. Then the family, home, and so on ... and for me the concept of Homeland is closer.
          Fatherland, homeland - native country, homeland. The word fatherland denotes the country of a person’s ancestors (fathers), and also often has an emotional connotation, implying that some people have a special, sacred feeling for their country that combines love and a sense of duty (patriotism).

          And about "to work for a penny" ... well, before the Second World War, people are often not so much for a penny, they worked for food and somehow raised the country and survived after the Second World War. I am not saying that we must put up with this, but I think that the desire for material wealth should not hang over the feeling of duty, love not only for people, but also for our Fatherland. Otherwise, we will get a society of hucksters and consumers, for whom the very concept of the Motherland is empty. Something like that...
          1. +7
            April 12 2019 20: 24
            They don’t give it, because the situation is TOTAL in the country and the reasons for certain events are known to a very narrow circle of people. And articles and discussions are personal opinions of either the author or the commenter.
            - and therefore a wide circle of people can not understand, generalize, draw in general the correct conclusions? And why not write such articles?
            Well, before the Second World War, people are often not just a penny, they worked for food and somehow raised the country and survived after the Second World War. I’m not saying that you have to put up with this, but I think that the desire for material wealth should not take over the sense of duty, love not only for people, but also for their Fatherland. Otherwise, we will get a society of traders and consumers, for whom the very concept of the Fatherland is empty
            - people knew that they were working for their, no matter how funny, a bright future, and their country, and their children, they believed in it! For this, you can be patient. But the fact of the matter is, life then improved and they saw it. And now? Do people see the improvements that this narrow circle of people who knows the reasons constantly announces? The President says that we have no ideology and there is nothing to look for a national idea - but it exists, this ideology is what you said - consumption, bargaining, efforts to "rise" in life. And it comes from above - from that narrow circle of people, terribly far from the people. And, by the way, Stalin told the aircraft designer Yakovlev for a reason that a real communist would cease to be one if he was only sent to work and forgotten to pay for it. Otherwise, it will be just fanaticism, and the person will burn out.
            1. +8
              April 12 2019 20: 36
              - people knew that they were working for their own, no matter how ridiculous, bright future, and their country, and their children, they believed in it! For this, you can tolerate.


              I completely agree with you, we live as in one statement "neither the Motherland, nor the flag" (I'm not talking about servicemen), in the Constitution of the Russian Federation there is even an article about the absence of ideology in this very Russian Federation. In general, why does she need this very ideology, the motto of the current nomenclature is - Enrich yourself in any way.
              So this nomenclature is enriched, well, for the rest, as it turns out, with all the consequences for the rest.
              1. +9
                April 12 2019 20: 45
                Yes, that's just it ... Formally, there is a flag and a hymn, but there is no cohesion of society. No matter how gently Putin steals, he is firmly pursuing a liberal course. And Gorby lied that there would be no unemployment, and Boris, that lay on the rails, and Putin, that with him there would be no increase in age - and everyone lied)))). This narrow circle, knowing and creating causes, does not change. But this does not mean that the people do not know, do not understand the reasons. So let the articles be written and people think with their own heads, you look, and the national idea will mature, for everyone, and not for a narrow circle.
          2. +2
            April 12 2019 22: 44
            Your answer is beautiful, Andrei, but what about the bourgeoisie whose children are not in their homeland!? Patriotism also happens differently, well, the young designer will not marry at work! hi
            1. +8
              April 12 2019 23: 04
              Quote: d1975
              but what about the bourgeoisie whose children are not in their homeland!?

              The bourgeois, that is, the bargainer, by its very nature, a priori does not have a homeland or a fatherland. He has a homeland where there is profit.
              Material wealth, like religion and the measure of success, prevail over moral and spiritual values, not only in the West, but also in our country, to a greater extent.
              If a person in 25 rides on Maserati, has a house in Spain, then he is successful and happy by default. But if we say a person works at a factory, receives 25 thousand rubles, and he has collected a moped in the garage, he is a loser. Such a philosophy is being pushed into our minds. It’s very wild for me personally to watch how people queue up for a new iPhone from 3 in the morning in order to be the first owners of this device. And all this was a measure of success, happiness, human consistency, as a person?
              And the children of the rich are brought up in the same vein. Not a single oligarch’s son will go to serve in the army, nor will the son of a high political figure go, since this is not a nobleman’s business. It is this philosophy of success and high spiritual values ​​that they drive into us with a huge sledgehammer.
              Quote: d1975
              Patriotism also happens differently, well, the young designer will not marry at work!

              You can’t be a little patriot, just like you can’t be a little human. Patriotism, as a concept, and I would say, fundamental to a healthy society, does not have 50 shades of gray. He is either there or not.
              As for the designer ... so Korolev was married, Chelomey too ... and this did not stop them from "giving the country coal", and not for iPhones, apartments in Europe, etc. That is why at 61 we washed the mattresses. And imagine if the same Korolev, put the material aspect at the forefront for himself ... well, he would go to work, from 9 to 5. I wonder, when would Gagarin fly then?
              1. +7
                April 12 2019 23: 10
                Andrei, I worked in education for 14 years! Well, you are not marking it, for all that you write the truth too. Medvedev simply finished off education with Putin and all. The rest is excuses. Russia in the constitution is a social state, but in reality ... ... I am 44, and I start my life from scratch, a bunch of stupid officials for the most part this is the main trouble of Russia. Why do we need smart, free-thinking people? What for ?
                1. +1
                  April 12 2019 23: 23
                  Quote: d1975
                  Well, you are not marking it, for all that you write the truth too.

                  I wrote about education here more than once. My mother, the late 38, taught for years, and in the district she was the best Russian scholar. Aunt, her sister is still alive, and her experience is more than 50 years of a teacher. Education problems I know not on TV and from newspapers, but from the first source. From childhood, he cooked himself in all this.
                  Putin and Medvedev is the reality that the people wanted and accordingly received it. Whether they are good or bad, history will show it and we will not objectively judge their affairs, since we feel everything in our own skin, but our descendants.
                  You are talking about education, but what about the country's ideology itself? For 20 years we have not been explained where the main helmsman leads us. And then the symptoms of the disease of society appear, for example, Pusi Wright, or that kid who in the Bundeswehr justified the Nazis ... and there are a lot of such examples and it is in the youth strata.
                  Sorry, but morality, decency, love for the Fatherland, mercy, as a measure, depreciate slowly, but methodically. Now help an old man who has become ill on the street is already perceived as something heroic, not ordinary.
                  You can talk about this as much as you like ... I, as an 45 summer man, came to certain affirmative thoughts for myself. Some disagree with them, others consider them loyal. As the saying goes, everyone has their own truth.
                  1. +2
                    April 13 2019 10: 33
                    For the first time, Andrew slapped you with a soul "-", well, you understand that the people already want this. We have no elections, everything else is crap, we are screaming for ukrov, but yourself !? Well, if Putin is so good why didn’t go from Edrossov to the polls, and in general she is crap and Africa is crap.
                    1. 0
                      April 13 2019 10: 37
                      Quote: d1975
                      Well, if Putin is so good, why didn’t he go from Edrossov to the polls?

                      And where did you see in my posts the statement that Putin is good? request
                2. 0
                  April 12 2019 23: 57
                  If a person, as he claims, has worked for so many years in education and is so free to use punctuation in the text, then what can I say ... It's better to be silent))))
                  1. +1
                    April 13 2019 10: 44
                    Vasily, the signs and the essence of what I wrote are so important to you, I’m a Russianist, and my eyesight has already sat down very much, and you continue to shout cheers, maybe it will help!
          3. +6
            April 12 2019 23: 00
            Quote: NEXUS
            the reasons for these or those events are known by a very narrow circle of people.

            True))) This is your opinion, a person who believed in the revival of the BZHRK, sang hymns here, now switched to Poseidon, was about to launch it from the shore. He mysteriously hinted that he could destroy the AUGs.)) ) So you still have the Stockholm syndrome, since you think that nothing depends on the people, and a narrow circle of people can continue to rotenberg and cello my Homeland? No, Andrei, your oligarchs were sent to the taiga on the international arena. All that they have left ==== is to squeeze the juices out of the people, but here you’re getting wider and stronger left-wing protests in the country. and who they vote for. Therefore, the maximum of your Yerushka is allotted for two years. I’m patient and just watch you bitch. Well, it’s a shame for the State, but it doesn’t apply to you and it’s very good that superoptimists and plus-tails are flocking in their own right, and I am by no means from this herd and often can afford critical comments. This is my freedom, I can really evaluate the NATO forces or the Armed Forces without any blinders. And it decides for you very narrow circle of people. It’s convenient to screw this idea and thereby humiliate the common man, they say Mr. Shoigu and Chubais know better and if there are any difficulties, they need it and they know better. The times are over, people are starting to ask questions. Have you noticed or continue to hope for Poseidon, while the fleet is drastically reduced?
          4. +1
            April 13 2019 12: 10
            But do not you think that we are such a society (a society of traders and consumers, for which the very concept of the Fatherland is empty) almost got ??? Degradation on the face !!! At the forefront is personal well-being, success and enrichment, and in this context no one even thinks about the direct benefits to their state and only then about their personal well-being, they broke and rebuilt the psychology of people.
          5. +3
            April 13 2019 17: 19
            Quote: NEXUS
            And about "to work for a penny" ... well, before the Second World War, people are often not so much for a penny, they worked for food and somehow raised the country and survived after the Second World War. I am not saying that we must put up with this, but I think that the desire for material wealth should not hang over the feeling of duty, love not only for people, but also for our Fatherland. Otherwise, we will get a society of hucksters and consumers, for whom the very concept of the Motherland is empty. Something like that...

            1. So the problem is that in Stalin’s times it was a country for people, FOR PEOPLE, and now it’s the same country, but it is set to enrich hucksters and thieves, bankers and scammers - and all Putin’s landings are worth nothing, because the queues in the executive branch are charged just by thieves and scammers.
            2. PROGRESSIVE TAX !!!
            Without it, NEVER Russia will have a budget that reduces the hostility of society towards the government.
            The income stratification is gigantic and such, which is not in ANY developed country - and ANYONE cares about this, which is why people do not like their Mother - but because she is a stepmother! And any stratification that reaches the "twenty" means a revolution (as expected, in the form of a "Russian revolt"!).
            3. CONFISCATION !!!
            Without it, there will be NO SENSE any attempts of power, designed to extinguish social discontent.
          6. +1
            April 13 2019 19: 10
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Do not these articles give the effect of clarifying elementary concepts and situations.

            They don’t give it, because the situation is TOTAL in the country and the reasons for certain events are known to a very narrow circle of people. And articles and discussions are personal opinions of either the author or the commenter.
            Quote: ROSS 42
            If there used to be a homeland that you had to think about, now the question has arisen - where does it start?

            Homeland always begins with itself. Then the family, home, and so on ... and for me the concept of Homeland is closer.
            Fatherland, homeland - native country, homeland. The word fatherland denotes the country of a person’s ancestors (fathers), and also often has an emotional connotation, implying that some people have a special, sacred feeling for their country that combines love and a sense of duty (patriotism).

            And about "to work for a penny" ... well, before the Second World War, people are often not so much for a penny, they worked for food and somehow raised the country and survived after the Second World War. I am not saying that we must put up with this, but I think that the desire for material wealth should not hang over the feeling of duty, love not only for people, but also for our Fatherland. Otherwise, we will get a society of hucksters and consumers, for whom the very concept of the Motherland is empty. Something like that...

            "Otherwise we will get a society of traders and consumers ..."
            You overslept everything, we have been there for a long time:
            Dec 16 2015 · "The lack of communist education is that they brought up creators, and we must educate a competent consumer ..." (Ministry of Education Fursenko).
      3. 0
        April 13 2019 15: 00
        Quote: NEXUS
        Here in the last three to four years at VO 80% of such articles. Reprinted three hundred times and as many times discussed.

        I fully support it. For articles are written either from outside sources or by unknown authors with an incomprehensible reputation. Resource journalists write without leaving their office, therefore they cannot say more than what is written in another's media. Or they could, and should, on hot topics visit primary sources of news and get comments from people directly connected with the problem. Here, either there is no desire, like, and so "grabbing", or finances do not allow, is spent on other items, obviously. request
    2. 0
      April 12 2019 19: 18
      Quote: stalki
      Everything that is higher in the article is said more than once and retold again. The water in the stupa is pushed to whom and sundry. I didn’t learn anything new. An airplane is necessary and created in agony, and everyone knows about it.

      can be counted among the "martyrs" and the 21st, and 214th, and of course the 57th ... this is generally a sufferer ... while he grows old ... maybe even raise the original drawings, and rivet IL -18 ... times "specialists" are like that now ...
      1. +5
        April 12 2019 19: 31
        You know, it's better to be in agony but your own than none. In general, I am aware that a lot has been lost, a lot has been missed and a lot of stupid things have been done, but we cannot stop, there is such an expression “do not wash like this,” and this exaggeration will grow old. In addition, it will be completed one hundred percent and it is quite possible that it will become the basis for further development. Both the 57th and all the rest will be used as launching sites for the further development of Russian aviation. Yes, it's hard, but the main thing is not to retreat.
      2. +6
        April 12 2019 20: 55
        Twice flew on the Tu-204 (or 214, I will not lie) Red wings, and swelled from comfort. He flew with the child and his wife, so it was convenient for the son that along, across across the chairs. One salon had a fabric, the other had some kind of quality leatherette. Flies - as it goes on rails. A bit noisy, but it is most likely that the fuel pumps are audible: the noise started after the tractor unhooked, and stopped already upon arrival and stop of the aircraft.
    3. +2
      April 12 2019 19: 30
      Quote: stalki
      The water in the stupa is pushed to whom not laziness. Nothing new

      That's right!
      As if no one was aware of problems with the weight of an empty plane before its first flight. Well, it happened ..., the staff was lost.fool
      It is necessary to test the prototype, while simultaneously carrying out measures to reduce weight and dismiss (plant) incompetent (corrupt) "responsible workers".
      Moreover, there is nothing insuperable here. They will attract personnel from other design bureaus, replace a number of parts, apply other materials, etc. Need time? Yes, but not for years.
      Turnover, nothing more.
      1. +3
        April 13 2019 15: 10
        Quote: Alekseev
        They will attract personnel from other design bureaus, replace a number of parts, apply other materials, etc.

        Oh god How is everything simple ?! Would you drink honey with your mouth! We are reaping the problems of the 90s, and today. Today we have all the news about Nachalova, and Galkin and Pugacheva. In prime time - digging someone else’s underwear, then get married, then we decipher the DNA. Circles of technical creativity in cities with over one million people. In the labors, children are still milk and mallet sharpening. Where to get personnel if the state does not clearly say who it wants to get from the new generation? For some reason, we are unable to work in the long term.
        1. +2
          April 13 2019 17: 28
          What else do you want from a liberal state?
          It forms a society in the format of the consumer, and not in the format of the creator, but the stupidity of the ideology of such a state is manifested in the fact that in order to fulfill the function of the consumer, a member of this society must have in his hands (on the account, on the card ...) the funds that he CAN spend on their Wishlist.
          Only there are Wishlist, but no money - this leads society to rebellion, and not to welfare - quite liberoids have lost the instinct of self-preservation and started working on their own rope ...
          1. -1
            April 13 2019 17: 52
            Quote: hydrox
            Only there’s a Wishlist, but there’s no money - this leads society to rebellion,

            What kind of rebellion? Who will riot? You will? Look at Ukraine. They live an order of magnitude harder than ours. Where are the riots? Only on an anonymous network! And beyond the network does not go, do not console yourself with ethereal illusions. For a liberal state, unfortunately, the engine of progress is crises. Now we’ll do it on the Il-112, then on the manned space program, then with the Lunar program. And then, maybe, the bending high-tech business will begin to really hammer Medvedev + Vasiliev about the quality of graduates of schools and universities. Only cones lead to wisdom, and the more painful they are, the more effective. This plane should simply fall loudly on take-off, so that they think about the problem.
    4. +2
      April 12 2019 23: 02
      The water in the stupa is pushed to whom not laziness. I didn’t learn anything new.

      How did nobody know anything? For example, I realized that despite the shitty state of affairs in IL, it was headed by a very advanced and promising leader - Rogozin Jr. All in the manure, he alone on a white horse. Those. ready for a higher post. We all as one want stability and, therefore, the continuity of power.
      1. 0
        April 13 2019 15: 14
        Quote: Berkut24
        he was led by a very advanced and promising leader - Rogozin Jr. All in the manure, he alone on a white horse.

        That does not read our resource personnel manager from Watermelon. He, the damned bourgeois, takes Rogozin the Younger to himself. Why would you? No way, dad agreed and attached a booby. Or maybe the bourgeois, unlike us, think of someone to take to their name? For example, you were not invited ... Or how?
        1. +1
          April 13 2019 22: 53
          Our resource manager from Watermelon doesn’t read our resource

          Well, as if Russia is one of the shareholders of Watermelon. Russian State Vnesheconombank - 5,02%. Has the right to send representatives to the company management. And you need to look for a kind person who is ready to send Rogozin to Watermelon in Russia. Who could it be?
          1. -2
            April 14 2019 11: 21
            Quote: Berkut24
            And you need to look for a kind person who is ready to send Rogozin to Watermelon in Russia. Who could it be?

            And Watermelon - "the dumb sheep", takes everything that does not hit? I am not a friend of Rogozin, but I think that I am not holier than the Pope, and up there, people think about business and make well-thought-out decisions. Do you have specific arguments against Rogozin Jr.? Can you reasonably show his inability to fulfill the duties assigned to him? I think that every parent will strive to give the best possible education to their child. And that's okay. And it is good that Rogozin raised his son as a normal specialist, and not as a type like Mara Baghdasaryan. Beria's son, for example, also worked as a leader in the missile design bureau and was respected, although he fell under the "distribution" after his father's death. In the 80s he was again invited to work in his specialty. I think influential parents can have quite successful children. Can you brag about your children's successes and your involvement with them?
      2. 0
        April 13 2019 17: 32
        Quote: Berkut24
        We all as one want stability and, therefore, the continuity of power.

        Do not invent.
        The society does not see SUCH stability or CONTINUITY of such power even in a nightmare!
        And then there’s a recession on the nose - that’s when the nightmare of unemployment begins for the population, and for the government - the horror of the console ...
        1. 0
          April 13 2019 17: 53
          Quote: hydrox
          The society does not see SUCH stability or CONTINUITY of such power even in a nightmare!

          How do you prove it? Elections of different levels say the opposite.
  2. +6
    April 12 2019 18: 17
    The IL-112 is designed for its specific niche. Recall that, as of the XXI century, the structure of the military transport aviation of the Russian Federation has four levels:
    - Light military transport aircraft (An-26).
    - Medium military transport aircraft (An-12).
    - Heavy military transport aircraft (IL-76).
    - Super heavy military transport aircraft (An-124).
    Where did the An-22, An-74 fall? Like they fly? And honestly, it's a pity that no worthy replacement for the An-14 "Pchelka" was found, and it would not hurt to update the An-2 in VTA, and this "super-light" one will find a lot of work
    And a young specialist came to us, looked around, learned and went to the place where they pay more
    This is a story about how the whole department moved to Irkut. Then the question is, why was the UAC created at all, if inside it there is no way to financially retain specialists at enterprises that work for the future and do not bring profit yet.? You must somehow solve these issues within yourself.
    In conclusion, I would like to recall the above. IL-112В - despite all the problems, the necessary and important aircraft for Russia, the alternative to which is not planned in the foreseeable future. This means that the car, most likely, will have to be brought to mind, even by reworking individual components.
    Yes, not "most likely", but MANDATORY. Since this is a "touchstone", which must be followed by IL-276 and "Ermak". And "112" should be their forerunner
    1. D16
      +1
      April 12 2019 21: 52
      [quoteА] An-22, An-74 where did they fall? Like fly? [/ quote]
      Ruslan's first ancestor, and not many of them survived. The second "SUV" is not enough.
      This is a story about how the whole department moved to Irkut. Then the question is, why was the UAC created at all, if inside it there is no way to financially retain specialists at enterprises that work for the future and do not bring profit yet.? You must somehow solve these issues within yourself.

      Organize a "wandering circus" of specialists and give them high-paying jobs, getting rid of the names. A sort of "Design Bureau named after Soviet Aviation" smile
      Il-276 and Ermak must follow. And "112" should be their forerunner

      If this is done by the forces of the bloodless KB of Ilyushin, good luck will not be seen. IMHO it's time to share the world with A and B, and not the crumbs between Yakovlev, Ilyushin and Tupolev.
      1. +1
        April 13 2019 04: 16
        Quote: D16
        Organize a "wandering circus" of specialists and give them high-paying jobs, getting rid of the names. A sort of "Design Bureau named after Soviet Aviation"

        There are many "bright minds" in the UAC who receive BIG money for their work, so let them work out their decisions. It doesn't matter to me how, the result is important. And he is not very
  3. +11
    April 12 2019 18: 28
    When the author of the project complains to the authorities about his draftswoman for mistakes on the Whatman paper, it is not ethical. The chief designer of "Ila" complained about the lack of professionalism of the young specialists. That's funny...
    1. +5
      April 12 2019 19: 09
      Quote: geologist
      The chief designer of "Ila" complained about the lack of professionalism of the young specialists. That's funny...

      You know, this is not funny. It is very sad when the master or even the boss who comes to work does not represent ABSOLUTELY!!! its nuances. When the "new generation" cannot write an explanatory letter or a vacation application without mistakes. A rare dominance of saints and mediocre mediocrity ...
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    2. +2
      April 13 2019 17: 02
      ,,this is ridiculous,,
      Totally agree with you!
      Does GK receive a salary in full? ..
      My first boss is my first year, I chewed all the basics of work! He taught, explained and a year later began to demand. I still remember him with good.
  4. +16
    April 12 2019 18: 33
    Well this is necessary! It turns out that if you feed the Ukrainian instead of your designers for 20 years, then yours will disappear somewhere: they will start to engage in trade (or some other garbage), they will succumb, they will retire without leaving a shift. Who would have thought?!
    And accidentally normal engines on the Su-57 are not there for the same reason still?
  5. +9
    April 12 2019 18: 38
    1400 - An-26 and 12 - IL-112V per year.
    Brilliant prospects! After 116 years, our aviation will gain the same number of aircraft ... Uryayayayayayayayayayaya!
    1. +1
      April 12 2019 19: 02
      "The military transport An-26 has enormous merits: suffice it to say that over 1400 such machines have been produced over the years." For all the years! Maybe 10 or 15 years. Unknown.
      1. +5
        April 12 2019 20: 28
        Quote: Lena363
        For all the years! Maybe 10 or 15 years. Unknown

        Why is unknown. It is known.
        An-24 was produced from 1959 to 1979. Over 1200 such aircraft were produced. Only 20 years old.
        An-26 is a modification of the original An-24 model. Produced from 1969 to 1986. 1403 copies were produced.
        1. +2
          April 13 2019 11: 21
          From the article, I realized that the IL-112 in technical specifications is no different from the An-26. Which was created half a century ago. Then what was the point of creating a new aircraft, when you could just copy the An-26, stick a new avionics there and call it the next by numbering Ilom?
  6. +6
    April 12 2019 18: 53
    As always, they did not finish this one and they abandoned it. AN-26, there is a tried and tested scheme of the machine, which makes it difficult to upgrade. It is clear that for decades there has been no progress, new engines, so the machines are similar in mass, put ... composite materials, make wings and other elements. New machines should be, but they need time to work out. Upgrading new technologies for new projects will be worked out, then it is easier to put them into production. Old time-tested AN-2, see what projects can be made from it. full composite.
    1. 0
      April 12 2019 19: 10
      An is a great machine, but his American dviglo.
      There were postings of purely Russian modifications, but they have one flaw, the American dviglo. And so the glider is cool. of course.
      1. D16
        +1
        April 12 2019 20: 37
        Cram into it a broken general’s Kruzak or an on-board Gazelle with groceries for an outpost in the darkness of cockroach. And at this time I admire the An-26 glider. laughing
      2. 0
        April 20 2019 15: 25
        Let's buy plywood for all this money, build EROPLAN, and fly away all - for ...
    2. +7
      April 12 2019 19: 46
      Because Moscow Region traveled to exhibitions, looked at others and sunk into Spartan. They wrote off the requirements a la Spartan. An-26 does not correspond to them in terms of a fundamental characteristic that cannot be changed (you can increase the range, replace engines, even the wing, landing gear, plumage - but to completely redo the fuselage, making the fat man not work). Actually that's why the plane came out pretty awkward in appearance. But the MO requires pushing an army car like the Tiger (in Spartan Iveka / Humvi)
      1. D16
        0
        April 12 2019 22: 13
        Because Moscow Region traveled to exhibitions, looked at others and sunk into Spartan. They wrote off the requirements a la Spartan.

        It’s just that someone’s bright mind came up with the idea that a transport aircraft should carry not only pallets with cargo, but also transport as such. So they built a plane around the required cargo compartment.
  7. +6
    April 12 2019 18: 58
    There was no competitor to the joint project of Ukraine and Russia: AN-70.
    India, Europe, Latin America were ready to buy, Sikorski and Airbus flew over.
    But ... alas
  8. +11
    April 12 2019 18: 59
    "And a young specialist came to us, looked around, studied and went to the place where they pay more," the chief designer said.
    ====
    Absolutely right. What suck his paw? And spend the night with your family at the train station? Apartments for rent ... Let Vladimir Vladimirovich live his life like this or Dimon in rented apartments.
    And what? Once the almighty Kaganovich ended his life in complete despair and terrible abandonment by everyone, with a fracture of the femoral neck ...
    Let us wish this fate to all the mighty of this world. "Memento sea", gentlemen, happy.
  9. +8
    April 12 2019 19: 02
    Does not meet all requirements. Why do the military want to remake IL-112V

    The impression was that "effective managers" wanted to completely ruin our aerospace production. To paraphrase Uncle Fyodor's words:
    - To want to remake something unnecessary, you must first create something necessary and efficient. And in order to create this, it is necessary not only to have brains, but also to visualize promising models.
    I recall the words of the contestant of the international competition of working professions. When our team arrived at the competition, many saw the tools and materials for the first time. I’ll tell you more (from personal experience), it has not been twenty years since cross-linked polyethylene was used in the construction of cable and overhead lines in insulation, a material that simply does not exist in the second-largest country in the world in oil production invented, although it was known from the late 70s of the last century. And this happens everywhere. People of productive labor are put in a humiliating position. The last everyday life example: in REU-4 in my city, the garbage collector in our house carries it in zinc baths in an old baby carriage, but the office does not have the means to buy a normal cart.
    Public property is ruined to a state of private. And there are few guarantees that it will be brought back to normal — there is an acute shortage of money, just no. They were not there when oil cost $ 30 per barrel, and not even today, when it exceeded $ 71 ... But gasoline, electricity and water in our country are equated with luxury ...
    1. +5
      April 13 2019 02: 09
      If the janitor buy a cart. What will the chief of REU-4 put in his pocket? Old story...
  10. +2
    April 12 2019 19: 12
    Meanwhile, the Chinese rivet their variations on the An-24/26 and do not blow into the mustache.
    Y-7H, Y-7-500 are still under construction. Upgraded copies.
    1. D16
      +3
      April 12 2019 20: 53
      They are still making Tu-16s. Taking an example like "Back to the Future"? wassat
      1. +1
        April 12 2019 21: 32
        If on the 26th to put a new propeller and a little refine the glider, then he would still fly. Classic. Cheap and cheerful. The Chinese also export their MA-60.
  11. +1
    April 12 2019 20: 03
    The title of the article did not live up to the content expectations.
    Does not meet all requirements. Why do the military want to remake the IL-112В
    Unfortunately, I didn’t know how ALL does not meet the requirements (except for the problem with the increase in the weight of the aircraft, which is solved). Deficiencies with electronics, also a loose concept. One could imagine a part of non-conformity for discussion. Also, what the military did not like was causing professional interest. Specificity is not enough.
  12. +1
    April 12 2019 20: 08
    It is especially interesting that when landing the engine failed. We are watching the landing.
    1. +4
      April 12 2019 20: 55
      It is especially interesting that when landing the engine failed. We are watching the landing.
      Where did you refuse? Where did you see it? This is an optical effect, all turners know about it, when at a certain speed of rotation it seems that the cartridge rotates in the opposite direction. Or for example, the camera takes 24 frames per second. and if the rotation of the blades is in the same time interval as the frames, that is, synchronously, then it will seem that nothing is spinning, but is standing still. What we are observing seems to be in the video.
      1. +4
        April 12 2019 22: 04
        Yes, you pulled up with your excuse about the strobo effect. Watch this video not at the moment of landing, but at 0: 36-0: 38 sec, where the plane slides sideways off the runway. Is there nothing stopping you from already seeing that the right one is stalled? If you don't like it - pay attention to the moment the pilot leaves the plane - are the blades of the right engine in the weathering mode (across the stream)? And the left one? strange but they are in traction mode. It will be interesting to dig, find the full video and see how at the start there were problems with it - the right engine stalls. And these strange cutoffs of shooting at the most "interesting moments", and the operator's persistent unwillingness to show the right engine after landing, all this only adds to doubts.
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      2. +2
        April 13 2019 02: 12
        Precisely, refused to fly! The screws are FIXED on the right engine!
        1. 0
          April 18 2019 10: 06
          Читайте и не гоните "пургу": https://www.aex.ru/m/docs/3/2019/4/15/2910/?fbclid=IwAR210_Isdn-fg8wjA7qDHwdNUYK6rUbe9MYlPRD3QzA0ZqdXG1uJRkIDvq4
          1. 0
            April 22 2019 01: 12
            What is there to read the "excuse", when he sat down. The screws were feathering ...
    2. +3
      April 12 2019 23: 04
      After touching, one of the two was turned off, mostly the right one was turned off. On 4 engine aircraft, two external engines are shut off.
  13. 0
    April 12 2019 20: 21
    In the photo, the honored veteran An-24!
    1. 0
      April 12 2019 21: 59
      Sorry, I was wrong - this is 26
  14. +2
    April 12 2019 20: 25
    special version of the Il-112 for India.


    at the same time, the most arrogant of buyers, constantly demanding the localization and transfer of technology of everything that he buys, even the Chinese in this regard have less arrogance.

    we pulled the plane


    the overweight of the aircraft is a problem of all aircraft only "getting on the wing". It is more important that the aircraft is already flying and has not remained at the stage of drawings. As for the military, they always require to survive the maximum carrying capacity of the aircraft of any project.
    For me, the Su-57, which made its first flight at the beginning of 2010 and is still at the testing stage, is still a big problem, and the second-stage engine (main engine) making it a 5th generation aircraft will receive the plan only in 2023-2025.
  15. +1
    April 12 2019 20: 33
    Everything has been said for a long time, everyone said back in the last century that by destroying the Soviet system of education and upbringing, you are destroying the future of the country, the prospects for its development, what the red-haired Chubais and other Gaidars needed by order of the owner. Who will work for them? We have the most intellectual and wretched government in the foreseeable history of the country, even those who destroyed the state and organized the robbery of their homeland, even those who had high intelligence and talent, the priority objects and the sequence of destruction were calculated. It was immediately clear and understandable that by providing educational services for the cultivation of "advanced consumers", ie. bourgeois and lumpen, we are losing tsialkovs and queens, stakhanovs and gagarins. Effective managers, thieving lawyers and mediocre trash dump elite are not capable of creativity and creation. The state machine and such an economy, built on betrayal, with the help of lies and criminality, based on lies and crime, are "sharpened" exclusively for making profit by any means, ignoring concepts of morality and honor, such a model destroying the unity of society, without morality and ideology, degrading scientific potential, with the substitution of the concept of democracy for permissiveness is not capable of development and prosperity, has no prospects for preservation and existence.
  16. +2
    April 12 2019 21: 14
    Guys, read about the Tu-330. I will not in vain praise fellow countrymen, but the project was very interesting. Unified with TU-204 and TU-214. And a carrying capacity of 35 tons and a range of over 4500 km. And 2 plants could do it calmly - Kazan and Ulyanovsk. There is a reasonable question ... Why didn’t they let him fly ??? !!!!
    Under it, and dvigun did interesting - NK-93, and in the base on the PS-90A was supposed to fly.
  17. -2
    April 12 2019 21: 48
    Even 10 years ago I heard that the Il-76 fuselage was taken as a basis to simplify the design and to fit in volume. About what will happen to the weight at that time as it is not thought yet. If this is true, then fine-tuning will not work. Need a new plane in fact. Well, again, a contradictory info about the advantage .. Who writes about 600 kg and who about 2000 extra kg. The second option immediately raises doubts about the possibility of refinement ..

    Well, Spartan yes .. a very successful plane. That would be someone to license, or at least copy in Chinese.
  18. +3
    April 12 2019 22: 14
    It is also important to promote the Il-112V in foreign markets.

    Honestly, I'm tired of this constant orientation to foreign markets! And this is with the already meager pace of production and the needs of our gigantic market! Who will fill the Russian market, foreigners again, including the "bastards"? And this is not only the situation with aircraft. As soon as some kind of production is organized, conversations about plans for export deliveries immediately begin, as if Russia itself does not need to develop its market, it has everything to hell and does not need anything! China has achieved its economic strength largely through the development of its domestic market, but we, as always, let's go our own way!
  19. Eug
    +1
    April 13 2019 07: 44
    In India, An-32 is full, if the Indians competently upgrade them taking into account the Chinese experience in the Y-8, namely a new composite wing (ANTK aerodynamics, Indian manufacture - they consider themselves very advanced in the field of composites) to increase cruiser speed and AI throttling 20 to increase efficiency, this fleet will last for a long time.
  20. 0
    April 13 2019 16: 51
    I listened to the speech of the former Air Force commander Kornukov, it seems. Back in 2007 - 2010. He then argued that we should not agree to Ukrainian ANs, but we need to develop our own domestic transporter. As he looked into the water.
  21. +1
    April 13 2019 22: 39
    A strange article ..... Some sort of squeeze from different sources. So what, that they will bring about 8-10 months, and this is at best. An airplane is uncontested by definition. The overload is quite serious, but here the hope is already on the IL-112M. In its current form will be on the strength of 10-15 pieces. And Il has enough pluses: a voluminous cargo compartment, pilots filling, universal engines, and all his own. Well, in the current geopolitical and economic conditions, we cannot cooperate too closely with someone. We are a very tidbit for the world!
  22. +2
    April 15 2019 07: 19
    The latter, for example, can be attributed to the sudden reincarnation of the old Soviet IL-96 airliner, which, with any development of events, will not meet the requirements of the time.

    Stupidity written.
    It is enough to recall the same Boeing-737, Airbus-320, S-130 Hercules, and the same IL-76. Replaced engines and avionics, after which the aircraft began to meet the requirements of the time.
  23. 0
    April 18 2019 10: 05
    Read, in an interview with the Chief Designer of PJSC "Il" Talikova N.D. everything is said quite frankly: https://www.aex.ru/m/docs/3/2019/4/15/2910/?fbclid=IwAR210_Isdn-fg8wjA7qDHwdNUYK6rUbe9MYlPRD3QzA0ZqdXG1uJRkIDvq4
    1. 0
      April 18 2019 15: 32
      and the general designer wants money. You can’t make money on construction, only on design. It is one thing to write off the hours of the designers, another is the purchase price of the products that are fixed.
      Forget the times of Ilyushin, Tupolev, Novozhilov, etc. Now everyone wants to, but they don’t do anything for it.
      The main one fell on frames, but where was he, where was he looking? In .... poking around.
  24. +1
    April 18 2019 15: 28
    Conspiracy ... The military had to kick Rogozin the elder, kick the younger and try to hang all sins on him. A new one, a protege of the military, will be lightened by 1 kg and they will say that everything is OK guys, but it was worth a lard ... All articles are more like nonsense. In the days of computer simulation it turns out you can’t calculate the weight ... I do not believe !!!
  25. 0
    April 19 2019 07: 34
    If it is identical in everything to AN 12, then why should the garden be fenced. Restore pr-in AN 12, but with new engines and avionics. Why do we need a completely new plane if it is identical to the old one. The whole world flies on Hercules and nothing. And then puffed up, puffed up and does not meet the requirements at the exit ...
  26. 0
    April 22 2019 15: 41
    The words of the chief designer that there are no qualified engineers and young designers are depressing. And all these "national projects" are worthless if the most advanced economy in the aircraft industry is paid these very pennies and trains bad specialists and makes bad equipment. Then you need to invite the Chinese, Brazilians, Swedes, finally, who know how to design airplanes and engineer. Why does a football player or hockey player from abroad receive huge sums of money and play in Russia, while an aircraft designer from abroad is not profitable?
  27. -1
    5 July 2019 14: 13
    Vaso is falling apart.
  28. 0
    5 July 2019 14: 50
    Beria's son, for example, also worked as a leader in the missile design bureau and was respected, although he fell under the "distribution" after his father's death.

    Compare L.P. Beria with D. Rogozin as leaders of the State level! It's not even funny. This is stupid. Beria oversaw the bomb, air defense / missile defense and much more that IS. And D. Rogozin flunked absolutely everything that he was entrusted with. Jonah. But the "exposer" of the "plunderers of the people's property" and films well.