What is wrong with our minesweepers?

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The author (and other specialists) repeatedly raised questions of the critical state of the mine action forces of the Navy, not only incapacitated against the modern mine threat, but also having a military-technical backlog from the current level of military affairs, unprecedented in our armed forces (reaching 50-75 years!) . The reasons for this are not technical, but purely organizational, and to a large extent personnel.

Moreover, the problems of mine defense (JI) make it possible to reveal the much deeper problems of the Navy and the Ministry of Defense, which need to be discussed.



It is necessary, while there is still time to have time to eliminate their consequences.


The sea minesweeper "Ivan Golubets" built by 1973 and without any modernization at the end of the second decade of the XXI century goes to military service


Terrorist threat in the fairway


At the end of 2018, the Anonymous hacker group released excerpts from Christopher Donnelly's materialsSuggestions for Crimea"2014 of the year. In the list of measures - the installation of bottom mines in the Sevastopol Bay ...

Military measures CND 01.03.2014 (Military measures, CND, 01.03.2014) ...
2. Bottom mines in the Sevastopol Bay. You can easily deliver from a civilian ferry, if they do not have special minelayers. Many minutes are not required to achieve the required efficiency. They could easily buy them.


All this was written not just by a “private person”, but by a person who was in charge of the state and special structures of Great Britain and NATO and carried out the assignments of a “certain character”.

What is wrong with our minesweepers?

Christopher Nigel Donnelly (CND), Co-Director of the Institute of Public Administration


In #1 for 15 January 2019 in “MIC»An article by the author was published with reference to these documents and the likely consequences of their implementation:

In view of the complete absence in the Russian Navy of means of combating modern bottom mines ... using Sevastopol as a base fleet could be paralyzed for a long time. On the only minesweeper that was part of the Russian Navy — mine-seeker “Vice Admiral Zakharyin”, the mine complex ... was out of order. ... despite a sharp aggravation of the situation, the Mayevka at the Zakharyin was put into operation only two years later ...


Note: earlier, taking into account the likelihood and danger of the use of mines by terrorist groups, the author in open publications avoided this topic (while repeatedly putting it in a “closed format”). However, the complete ignoring of this threat from the Navy forces open alarm bells to sound.

The question is so urgent that it was reflected even in the Navy's printed body - the magazine Morskoi sbornik (No. XXUMX, 10), in the article of the employees of the Central Research Institute of the Investigative Committee VK Bystrov B.V., Pirozhenko V.A., Kuleshov K.V.

... the threat to the sea remains terrorism, which was formed as an instrument of a new war with all the attributes of asymmetry.
Currently known 3 cases of so-called mine terrorism:
- mining of ports of Nicaragua in 1984;
- setting mines in the Red Sea in 1984;
- staging mines off the coast of Sri Lanka in 2008


Ministry of Defense and Navy: "There are no problems, everything is under control"


The reaction of the Ministry of Defense “followed” in the person of the deputy head of the Information and Mass Communications Department (DIMK) of the Ministry of Defense A. Volosatov, “MIC, 29.01.2019 G.:

... trying to analyze the issues of the mine support of the Navy, the development of mine-trawling forces, Klimov, without the slightest constraint, uses outdated data, ... a program of updating new 12700 project ships ... equipped with the most modern anti-mine systems ... weapons of mine-moving ships of existing projects are constantly being improved and updated ... which is characteristic of Klimov, in the same material there is a hodgepodge of completely different themes, made up of rumors and conjectures ... by the author onimaet their incompetence, but strengthens the emotional component of the articles due to the usual "hoax" and manipulation of information.


Real situation


The first thing to note about this “answer” is the military rank of the city of Volosatov - the colonel, and the post of “chief expert” of the press service of the Ministry of Defense, previously held by him.

It is logical to see a strong professional in such a position and in such a rank, but there are simply no objections as such in the publication of the “expert” Volosatov, not a single fact I mentioned has been refuted by him. In his letter there are only inaccurate statements and vague references to some anonymous and obviously dubious "foreign analysts" and "bloggers."

All the facts cited in my January 15 article are true and have documentary evidence (including documents of the Ministry of Defense itself posted on the public procurement website):

Purchase #0173100004515000738.

Date of auction: 25.05.2015. Completion date: until November 25 2016.

Purpose and objectives of the work results: maintenance of the self-propelled remote-controlled mine seeker “Mayevka” in good condition ... training of personnel.

The 4047 SINM.788133.001 and 4047K SINM.788133.001-01 products are intended for the additional search, classification and destruction of anchor, bottom (including silted) and bottom mines, detected by the ship's sonar mine detection station (GASM). The 4047 SINM.788133.001 product is used to equip XSHM Ave 02668. Product 4047K SINM.788133.001-01 is used for autonomous installation on ships or vessels.


Purchase #0173100004518001288 - the complex of works on the repair of GAS Livadia on the order of the Black Sea Fleet 02668 Ave. Deadline for completion: September 30 2019.


Conclusions from this:

The only relatively modern anti-mine ship of the Black Sea Fleet was not operational (not in the main complex; list of faults, see procurement documents No. 0173100004515000738) until the end of 2016, and no emergency repair measures taking into account the sharp exacerbation of the military-political situation At the beginning of 2014, the central bodies of the Navy and the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation did not undertake.

At the beginning, the situation is similar (in acoustics), and its solution is only “planned” by the end of 2019.

There is not a single modern anti-mine ship at the beginning of 2019 in the Black Sea Fleet today. Even completely outdated ones that did not undergo any modernization and the 1973 minesweepers built in the city were forced to go to the combat service area (accompanied by a tugboat) to combat services.

Note: at present, MTC “Vice-Admiral Zakharyin” is in military service in the Mediterranean Sea, and, I really want to hope, Livadia GAS urgently put into operation repaired (and not “blind”).

Mr. Volosatov’s statement on the modernization and improvement of anti-mine weapons by combat crews of minesweepers has no basis, the situation is not only getting better - they have even lost what they had (for example, searchers).

The new PMK of the 12700 project has an outdated concept and a number of serious flaws. The main thing is that the ships are actually up to the first mine with a modern fuse (on which either the minesweeper itself or its only and extremely expensive self-propelled underwater vehicle will explode).

Note: 12700 issues are covered in a separate article.


Remote-controlled underwater vehicle “Luch-1” (left photo, under the cover) and towed finder “Needle-1” of the KIU-1 complex of the 1265 project TSH (photo: forums.balancer.ru)


The main type of hydroacoustic stations (GAS) of naval minesweepers is MG-89 "Serna" (developed by 1969, which has not undergone any modernization since then)




GUS MG-89


Moreover, tenders for the repair of GAS MG-89 (from ship-repair enterprises engaged in repairing the PMK Navy) in recent years have ended with a “typical phrase”: “Not one application has been submitted”. On a significant part of the PMK Navy, GAS MG-89 is simply not in disrepair, and there is no one to repair them.

Those. A significant part of the Navy minesweepers is simply “blind”! This "level" of anti-mine forces corresponds to the first years of the Second World War ...

The Kabarga GAS development of the 10750-s development, which do not have full digital processing, and with the performance characteristics close to the MG-12660 GUS are installed on the 80 off-shore cruise shipyard of the 89 project and two sea-sweepers of the XNUMX project.

In the 2000-ies, an attempt was made to modernize GUS MG-89, with the introduction of full-fledged digital processing, GAS MG-89ME. With the ability to effectively upgrade virtually all naval minesweepers:

The installation of MG-89МЭ instead of the previous GUS can be made without docking the ship, without a significant change in the hull structures of the ship and with the preservation of most cable routes.


However ... “the customer (the Navy) did not show interest,” the modernization work (GAS MG-89ME) was not completed, and today this GUS is excluded from all the “promotional offers” of Okepribor JSC.

For comparison: in the middle of the 2000's, the Polish Navy conducted its own modernization of our MG-89 (installed on Polish minesweepers of the 60-70-s of the last century).


Polish modernization GAS MG-89


Moreover, Polish specialists have created a modern set of new anti-mine weapons (from underwater vehicles to proximity trawls), and today the combat capabilities of the Polish Naval Forces naval fleet are many times greater than those of the Russian Navy (even taking into account the presence of two newest 12700 PMKs in the Baltic)!


The descent of the PMO from the Polish modernized minesweeper (built at the end of the 60-s)


Missed opportunities of our underwater robots


Could we do the same? Of course! According to GAS, it was said above, and underwater vehicles we had a number of companies that successfully worked in this area (SNNP "Region", OKB OT, Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Yuzhmorgeologiya", OKB STS and others).

The “rate” of the Navy on “import” (or rather, the “interest” of a number of high-ranking officials of the Navy and the Ministry of Defense in “import”) played an extremely negative role. A report at the round table on underwater technology of the Army-2018 forum of the general director of Tethis-Pro JSC:

... from the 155 supplied by the Tetis-Pro Group of Navy submersibles 27 domestic.


Surprisingly, these figures are proud! Or maybe it was not domestic? But at the same round table a report was made by representatives of the Tomsk University (TUSUR). Among others, the long-term work of domestic submersibles at great depths to search for the Argentinean submarine San Juan (purchased by a “different structure” of the Russian Defense Ministry, not the Navy) was mentioned. Representatives of 40 NII NII also praised the RTM-500 apparatus (developed by 90-s) based on the results of work on the Kursk APCR. However, not a single RTM-500 (or any other domestic underwater vehicle) was purchased by the Navy after that (except for OCR “Mayevka”, “Livadia”) - all the money was spent on imports from Tethys-Pro ...

The task of creating massive underwater vehicles for the domestic industrial software was simply not set (despite the fact that the potential for its solution, of course, was)!

Against the background of all other minesweepers of the Navy, MTSchch “Vice-Admiral Zakharyin” of the 02668 project stands out - the first full-fledged minesweeper-finder of mines (TCHIM) of the RF Navy, equipped not only with GAS, but also with dynamic positioning system, automated mine action system (ACS PMD) and special self-propelled underwater vehicles (SPA) software.

The main “anti-mine tool” MTC “Vice-Admiral Zakharyin”, SPA complex “Mayevka”, successfully passed the state tests in November 2008 (together with the ship). Decision №253 / 8.6309 from 25.11.2008, "recommended for adoption and the organization of mass production."

Moreover, “Mayevka” turned out to be the only our example of a marine underwater weapons and a mine complex developed on time and funding and successfully passed (right away!) government tests.

The complex had two modifications, incl. container, successfully tested at MTSVS “Valentin Pikul” of the Black Sea Fleet in 2007, which was possible to use from all the naval minesweepers and minesweepers (i.e., it opened up the possibility of effective modernization of practically all naval personnel of the naval personnel).


PMO “Mayevka” container complex, tests at MTSch Valentin Pikul, 2007,


Planned series. The first Maevka should have been received by the minesweepers MT-264 and MT-265 of the Joint Command of Forces and Forces in the North-East of the Russian Federation (for mine support of the Boreev of the Pacific Fleet).

However, the container "Mayevka" was taken out to "storage" in Moscow, and the planned series was excluded during the "proof-reading" of the State Defense Order (without any justification).

I would very much like to ask about the motives of such a “decision” of the then head of the development and orders department for ships, marine equipment and weapons of the Navy in the city of Benzoruk.

Subsequently, the city of Benzoruk turned out to be the deputy general director of the SNNP "Region" for R & D, after which all the latest events on "Mayevka" (including the sad end of its stories) no longer seem amazing.

At the beginning of 2010, finances again went to “import”, “Mayevka” was “ordered to forget”, and, moreover, gossip was launched at a very high level that “Mayevka” allegedly “failed the tests”.

Only one example of this is interview after the Evronaval-2012 salon with the deputy head of the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau A. Zakharov .

For us, it was very important to get off the ground in the creation of mine defense ships. And we here have found certain elements that are ready to use on our ships. We held very effective negotiations, including with French companies. ... what is useful for the national fleet is that we can really use, and where we are seriously lagging behind. This applies primarily to uninhabited underwater vehicles, which we will put on our mine-defense ships.
The commander-in-chief of the Navy, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, confirmed the correctness of all our actions.


I note that mentioned in an interview with V.V. Chirkov personally for 5 months before, when he visited the Region, he observed the actual work of the Mayevka container modification (in the hydroacoustic basin) and had objective information on it.

In order to show an objective picture, below are the documents (from the site of public procurement).




Data on the complex "Mayevka" (purchase number 0173100000813000784 from 20.06.2013)


Thus, the facts are documented:
• the presence of the complex of two modifications, incl. container;
• the ability to work on silted mines (while the vast majority of submersibles are unable to do this) - and this was confirmed by tests (!);
• successful completion of state tests by the complex and the availability of its letter O1 (ie, documentary evidence of readiness for the series).

In reality, the tests were failed not by “Mayevka”, but by NPA “Livadia”, which was (until the end of 2009) part of GAS “Livadia”, developed by ZAO Aquamarine (St. Petersburg). Unfortunately, contrary to the advertising statements of JSC Aquamarine, its products do not always confirm in practice the stated characteristics and capabilities.




GAS “Livadia-ME” equipment as of 2009 (hereinafter STPA in the advertisement of Aquamarine CJSC was replaced with mediocre HBO)



SPA PMO: two "Mayvki" and "Livadia" near


As a result of all these intrigues of the Navy, “Mayevka” did not start operating; in fact, only the ancient trawls were armed with the MTShch “Vice-Admiral Zakharyin”.

Obviously, such a state of the only relatively modern PMK of the Navy was absolutely abnormal. However, for Benzoruk, Chirkov and the like chiefs "everything was all right" ("there will be no war!").

As a result, in 2013, the tender “Technical and service maintenance and repair of automatic control devices for trawls and searchers, contact, non-contact mines and mine finders ...”, under which it was planned to commission and start operating the Navy Mayevka complex, that "the auction for this lot was declared invalid (no bids were submitted)."

I emphasize: the repair and commissioning of the main complex of the only THIS Navy.

I will say the reason for this myself: the only executor of the work was not informed about it, found out only at the last moment and simply did not have time to prepare the documents.

Those. officials have a “line,” formally, “they have done everything,” but in fact the case failed already at the stage of tender placement. Such obviously impracticable “dummies” for tenders of sea underwater weapons was enough. Of course, no one bore any responsibility for this.

When the "struck" 2014 year


2014 d. From the report to the commander-in-chief of the Navy, Admiral VV Chirkov, in. 11977:

The critical problem of the Navy is mine defense (PMO) ... In March of this year [2014] handed over to the Chief of the Naval Underwater Weapon Service of the Navy ... a document (in annex) on the situation, possible consequences and necessary measures ... taking into account the current military and political situation. Necessary measures are not taken.


The essence of the document was the need for an emergency commissioning of not only “Mayevka” on “Zakharyin”, but also a return to “V. Pikul "its container modification.

However, Navy officials and Defense Ministry officials (below their names will be named) “continued to plan”:

Purchase No.0173100004515000738 Maintenance in good condition of self-propelled remote-controlled mine searcher “Mayevka”…. personnel training.
Date of auction: 25.05.2015. Completion date: until November 25 2016.


Those. there is a war in which the Russian Federation participates, incl. Navy and the Black Sea Fleet. The only relatively modern military-industrial complex of the Navy is out of order, but among the officers of the Navy and the Ministry of Defense "everything is all right", "epaulets are not too tight", "maybe the enemy will not use mines"!

At the same time, the only adequate approach in this situation, with the start of the operation in Syria, was the commissioning of “Mayevok” on Zakharyin and Pikule in the shortest possible time, and the permanent location of one of these PMKs in Tartus!

However, in 2017, after the repair and commissioning of the “Mayevka” at the end of 2016, the MTShch. Vice Admiral Zakharyin left for the combat zone, having his main weapon in the ranks for his first military service. Characteristically, this fact was not noted in any way at DIMK Konashenkova, who continued to publish "popular prints" about "fleet-sweepers in trawling trawls" and advertising films on complexes that were not known to have efficient software (for example, "Galtel").

However, the period of functioning of the MTShch "Vice-Admiral Zakharyin" as LOOKNOW turned out to be short-lived - the substrip GAS "Livadia" failed.

And again, instead of emergency repairs and putting the ship into operation, “next planning”.

Purchase No. 0173100004518001288 - a set of works on the repair of GAS Livadia on the order of the Black Sea Fleet 02668 Ave. Completion date: until 30 September 2019.


Those. there is a war, the Black Sea Fleet is fighting, not having in the composition of a single modern PMK!

With "Maya" even "more fun." Instead of upgrading it (with the elimination of existing shortcomings and increasing the performance characteristics) and mass production, the “question” on it is closed. Finally. The chief designer is fired. In fact, today for the fleet it is already lost, and it is necessary to think about replacing it with Zakharyin.

And here we must separately emphasize that we have lost with this.


The last two last days of the 1265 project’s BSTPH (readiness - more than 70%), which the Navy refused, lost in Petrozavodsk


The modernization of GAS MG-89 and the Mayevok series ensured at least limited combat capability of the entire group of the PMK Navy (MTShch projects 266M, 12660 (with GAS Kabarga)), BTschch project 1265). This did not require any significant expenses, it was necessary (for the officers of the Navy and the Ministry of Defense) only to properly treat their official duties.

Moreover, "Mayevka" was not allowed not only to the fleet, but also for export.

Despite its presence in the Rosoboronexport catalogs, the design of an advertising passport and export-type passport was blocked. Inzakazchikov requests for it were, but for the above reasons remained unanswered

As a result, the Vietnamese Navy went to the purchase of the Italian PLUTO PLUS TNPA to equip their PMK projects 266E and 1265E (Soviet-built).


Launching of the PLUTO PLUS technical and industrial pumping station of the Vietnam Navy 266 project


So what is wrong with our minesweepers?


The above are convincing evidence of the critical state of the Navy’s anti-mine forces. At the same time, there are no technical problems for the Navy to have effective anti-mine forces, there is no need for large expenditures on this.

And now the names of the officials who are personally responsible for the situation with the MVP Navy and the state of mine defense.

Head of Navy Shipbuilding Tryapichnikov V.A.


Head of the Marine Underwater Weapons Development and Operation Service of the Naval Shipbuilding Directorate I.M. Taran:


Head of the Department of Marine Underwater Weapons of the Department of the Ministry of Defense to ensure the state defense order (DOGOZ) Kaplouhy S.А.

After all these high persons, mentioning the head of the anti-mine department of the Central Research Institute for Military Shipbuilding (also called the Shipbuilding Research Institute) of the city of R-ko is even somehow “fine”, but necessary.

January 2015, after the Supreme Commander received information (in the fall of 2014) about the critical condition of sea underwater weapons, the Navy urgently prepares a document with “proposals for resolving the crisis” (actually writing them off from previously developed documents with which we are underwater pit "and turned out to be). Mr. R-ko writes his “own part,” in its text it reads:

... the lag factor of the Russian Navy from Western countries for underwater vehicles is 0,8, the trawl superiority factor is 1,2.


From such “numbers” “speechless” even Taran standing next to him (hereinafter - with “preservation of intonation”):

- Aaaaaa ... aaa, why 0,8 and 1,2?!?!?!?
- Well, how are these "scientifically based" coefficients!


I emphasize that in this “parallel reality” there is a whole head of the core department of the central research institute of the Ministry of Defense and the Navy on the subject!

But, excuse me, someone appointed him ...

The head of the military representative office of SNNP "Region" in Z., as a representative of the Ministry of Defense at the enterprise, personally responsible for what happened to "Mayevka" and ISPUM problems (as well as a number of other problematic issues of IGOs).

And what about the commander in chief of the Navy Korolev?



And he has known everything for a long time:


Note: Annex No. 1 is the text of a report on the problems of the Navy’s PMO, prepared by the author to the Scientific and Technical Council of the Navy and the Military Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation in spring 2017.

Yes, strictly speaking, the Queen in the theater of military operations (theater of operations), in the warring (!) Fleet there is not a single modern military-technical complex in the ranks! Or does he “not know” about this?

He is not provided with the combat stability of the NSNF, is it elementary, the withdrawal of forces from the bases in mine action, and he also does not know about this?

In the book “The Main Marine Parade of Russia”, edited by Admiral Korolev, simply amazing historical “information” about both the ships participating and the “history of the Navy” is given. For example, the fact that Vice-Admiral Makarov is a “hero of the Tsushima battle”!



This is alas, not a joke. The commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy does not know that Vice Admiral S.O. Makarov died more than a year before Tsushima, 31 March 1904, and being blown up by a Japanese mine!


Mine exploded (with detonation of mine ammunition) of the squadron battleship "Petropavlovsk". Photo from the Golden Mountain (Port Arthur).


I suppose if Admiral Korolev to ask a question about the ship of our fleet that has achieved the greatest combat success in history, he will also “find it very difficult” ...

Well, let's call it: this is the minelayer "Amur", on the battle account of which two battleships (battleships) of the enemy (blown up on Russian mines)! "Good question" - at least one Navy ship today bears this name?

And this is all against the background of the shameful renaming of ships: "Vilyuchinsk" in "Tver" and "Hurricane" in "Mytishchi", and the preservation of such odious names in the names of ships, such as "Fists".

What are the conclusions from all this?


We have no problems with equipment, the problem of the Navy’s software can and should be solved in the shortest possible time.

The main obstacle to this is a number of specific officers of the Navy and the Ministry of Defense, by their actions (inaction), undermining the real combat capability of the Navy and deliberately misleading the command of the RF Armed Forces and society.

The “wildness” of the current situation on the subject of the ITP is that it is clearly visible to everyone, even to outside civilian observers.

However, the “experts” of the Navy and the Ministry of Defense do not want to “see” this ...

The solution here is only one, complex:

1. The real (critical) situation and the necessary measures should be reported to the command of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (including the Supreme Commander-in-Chief).

2. The need for appropriate "solutions" for specific "individuals".

3. Society. One should sound the alarm about the current situation on the part of the society (civil society, and not in the “liberal version” of this concept, but patriotic - “citizens responsibly belonging to their country, its future”).

And the last.

Obviously, the problem of an MIP is far from the only one in the Navy and the MoD (although the most "failure" in terms of scale is the lag behind the current level).

And the fact that the current bishops try to cover the problems with pseudo-secrecy requires the society to develop effective independent control mechanisms (for example, the creation of parliamentary commissions and empowering them to conduct inspections in cases of special resonance and significant to the country's security).

Lies and lies in propaganda, agitation and the press discredit the party-political work, the navy press and cause exceptional harm to the cause of the Bolshevik education of the masses.

(From the directive of the Deputy Commissar of the Navy of the USSR and the Chief of the Main Political Directorate of the Navy, Army Commissioner 2 of the rank of IV Rogov.)

Application. Some (far from complete) chronology of “posing tough questions on MIP”.


2007, New Defense Order, V.A. Katenin, A.V. Katenin, (GNINGI MO RF).
... [enemy mines] is enough to completely block our forces in all fleets ... The lack of serious work over the past twenty years to improve mine and mine weapons in the Navy has led to the fact that trawling forces are not able to effectively deal with the modern mine threat ... Political awareness and the country's military leadership of the mine threat and the degradation of domestic mine-trawling forces should be the first step towards solving this acute problem.


2010 g., "MIC", M.A. Klimov:
... the capabilities of the mine-miner's forces of the Navy are so low that they question the possibility of ensuring the deployment of the forces of the Russian Navy from their bases. in the context of the modern mine threat ... despite the successful passage of the MTShch "Vice-Admiral Zakharyin" state tests, today in the Navy he is alone.


2014 d. From the report to the commander-in-chief of the Navy Admiral V.V. Chirkov in.11977 :
The current level of Navy anti-mine forces corresponds to 50-60. last century. The minesweepers owned by the Navy are actually abandoned - in contrast to the foreign ones, no modernization was carried out with the introduction of new anti-mine systems.
On the only minesweeper-seeker of the Navy "Vice-Admiral Zakharyin" new anti-mine systems or preserved ("Mayevka") or ...
The new container complex “Mayevka”, which was successfully tested in 2007 on the mine sweeper “Valentin Pikul” before the war, 08.08.08 was taken out for safekeeping ... to Moscow.
Prospective minesweepers for the 12700 project. A series of these extremely expensive minesweepers, if there will be, is small, while the Navy doesn’t need “several minesweepers for parades” but ANTIMINAL FORCES - dozens of modern PMKs, and not “in the bright future tomorrow”, but just yesterday!
... the planned mass production of the Mayevka complexes has been thwarted by intrigues ...


2014 g. "MIC" "Unarmed minesweepers».
To overcome the half-century backwardness of the MIP from the current level, the following set of measures is needed:
• serial construction of the 12700 project’s BSCT - no alternative;
• proactive delivery of the Navy of modern mine action systems and emergency upgrades of minesweepers in service, ensuring the installation of these systems in the 12700 project corps after the decommissioning of old TSH;
• Immediate launch of the development work on the modernization of the STIUM “Mayevka” (in the container version) in order to increase the performance and preparation of serial production;
• procurement and development of HBO and AUV with the implementation of tasks for mapping min-like objects, primarily in the area of ​​bases;
• development on a competitive basis (with tests on fleets) small-sized disposable anti-mine anti-nuclear weapons;
• development on a competitive basis in the shortest possible time of unmanned mine trips.


29.02.2016 g., "VPK.name", "We stand on the threshold of the next Tsushima"...
And here we come to the essence of what was happening.
The obvious negligent and unprincipled attitude of officials to ensure the real combat effectiveness of the Navy. For example, today the 955 “Alexander Nevsky” project for military service RPLNS “provide” at the OKVS (Kamchatka) only two sea-going minesweepers whose anti-mine armament corresponds to the western end of 60x and unable to fight modern ground mines. At the same time, previously, “Mayevka” was planned primarily for Kamchatka, in support of “Boreev” (they were excluded from the state defense order). In fact, today the release to the sea RPLSN Pacific Fleet obviously is not provided. Everybody knows about this (including Chirkova V.V.). No measures.


2016, December, “VPK.name”, “The question of the incapacity of the Russian Navy against the modern mine threat must be resolved as soon as possible.».

2018, NVORussian Navy ran into mines and submarines».
The minesweepers that are presently present in the Navy’s combat composition have long since become outdated and have practically lost their combat significance. Moreover, the new project of the sea minesweeper (MSC) of the 12700 project has a number of key flaws:
- the outdated concept of an MIP is a ship “before the first modern mine”;
- knowingly unsecured actual explosion resistance;
- limited efficiency at shallow depths;
- inability to solve multipurpose tasks (at least at the level of the 266М project);
- the possibilities of serial construction are limited by the capacities of PJSC "Zvezda" (one set of diesel engines per year).
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  1. +12
    April 25 2019 06: 35
    I haven’t burst yet, so they don’t baptize, but wave it off.
    1. +3
      April 25 2019 09: 58
      come Stalin shoot admirals
      1. +4
        April 25 2019 12: 56
        In 2016, there was a fire on the Georgy Kurbatov minesweeper under construction. The structure was just pulled out of the mold; at the time of the fire, scaffolding was being installed there. The body is completely burnt out, you need to form a new one by vacuum infusion. The minesweeper Georgy Kurbatov laid down as the second will now be the fourth or even the fifth in a row.
      2. 0
        April 26 2019 22: 58
        Or better than you. He, Stalin, doesn’t care.
      3. 0
        13 June 2019 16: 20
        Put green officers who will take responsibility and do nothing .... So they came to the rout of 1941 ...

        It all depends not on people, but on their decisions. No solutions, no results. And to shoot is a decision for not very smart people, more precisely individuals of the human race.
  2. +1
    April 25 2019 06: 36
    I did not understand the message of the Author, or all the same a cry of the soul that causes respect, or a la commercial interest, which alas does not cause respect ....
    On the other hand, I would like to hear the answer of the persons mentioned by the Author, but I think we will not wait!
    Regarding the mistakes of people in large epaulettes who begin to write books, it is trite to send the Reader to the opus “The Small Land” by L. Brezhnev. On the other hand, you don’t have to go far, we have such a federal law “On Memorable Dates of Military Glory”, dating back to 1995. So in it a third of naval battles and events related to the fleet have banal errors with the transfer from the old style to the new!
    By the name of the ships and boats, I agree with the Author that here we have a mess or just order a creature! My heart is sweet “Do not touch me” or “Avos” but ...... Although at least I am convinced that such ships as “Memory of Azov” and “Memory of Mercury” should be immortalized in the fleet. On the other hand, I will not be surprised at the appearance of a frigate or corvette with a proud “First President of the Russian Federation B.N. Yeltsin. " I will sigh, spit, but I won’t be surprised.
    Regards, Kote!
    1. +12
      April 25 2019 07: 22
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      My heart is sweet "Do not touch me" or "Avos"

      And "Three glasses" how? :)))) I was also always impressed by the battleship "Conception of St. Anna" laughing hi 74 guns, after all, such as conceive ... for sure, you will become a holy martyr laughing
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    3. +1
      April 25 2019 08: 23
      You know, it doesn’t matter the name or the name, the main thing is that it be posted on board the ship, then bish so that this is the same board, and the name is the tenth thing, even if it's digital-004,111 is not important.
      1. +1
        April 25 2019 12: 00
        The name of the ship, not only the continuation of the glorious tradition of the fleet or the factor of bribe-taking (or PR move) from the cities whose ships are worn! A vivid example of the cruiser Moscow.
        The name is the pride of a simple layman for his fleet and his homeland! Even such a moral "ear-hooker" as I am at heart proud of the fact that the two submarines "Yekaterinburg" and "Verkhoturye" bearing the names of the cities of the Middle Urals !!!
        In fact, people are behind any ship, and people need it and it is important! More importantly, this is the younger generation ......
        Regards, Vlad!
  3. +15
    April 25 2019 06: 48
    Of course, we have already talked about this more than once, but we must go on and on. It is very good that Maxim does this, he served and knows a lot of nuances down to personalities. An outsider like me cannot dig up that.
    1. -2
      April 25 2019 08: 03
      Unfortunately . from not a stranger. He is engaged in lobbying "his" equipment. And his message, though "thinner" than the usual custom advertising stuff, but. It's not so bad that he tramples in the dirt. And that which extols is not so beautiful. And by performance characteristics, and by price, and by timing.
      1. +10
        April 25 2019 08: 08
        Quote: Alceers
        Not so bad that he tramples in the dirt. And it is not so beautiful that it exalts.

        I am ready to believe, but you must admit that with modern means of anti-mine warfare, things are very bad for us. And to talk about it (and not only about it) is necessary.
        1. +2
          April 25 2019 10: 08
          It is necessary not only to talk about this, but also to take emergency measures, what is the use of building the most modern warships and submarines if they cannot go out to sea freely and carry out their tasks, at the risk of being destroyed with the help of modern mines.
          1. +5
            April 25 2019 10: 28
            Quote: sgrabik
            This is necessary not only to talk, but also to take emergency measures.

            Yes. But I can not take emergency measures, and I can only say: (((
        2. +11
          April 25 2019 11: 49
          hi Welcome Andrew
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Ready to believe

          Mr. Klimov, captain of the 3rd rank, transferred to the reserve in 1989, was engaged by the former general director of the Almaz NGO Ashurbeyli. Klimov is also supported by Novaya Gazeta and lobbies for Dagdizel, for the sake of Dagdizel he drowns Gidropribor. Ashurbeyli + former Commander-in-Chief of the Navy Vysotsky + Maxim Klimov were practically the main reason for the refusal of Peru and Venezuela to purchase 15 diesel-electric submarines pr.633.3!
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          with modern means of mine action, things are very bad with us. And we need to talk about this (and not only about this).

          Speak about it, Andrew, it is necessary ... certainly necessary, but it is necessary to speak for the cause, and not to please someone for money .... or not?
          1. +4
            April 25 2019 12: 06
            Quote: Serg65
            Speak about it, Andrew, it is necessary ... certainly necessary, but it is necessary to speak for the cause, and not to please someone for money .... or not?

            Of course so. hi
            We have problems in the Navy, and there are a lot of them, these problems. Public discussion of these problems, in the end, can move something off the ground, in any case, I personally cannot help the fleet with anything else. But to do nothing and hope that "somewhere up there," there are 120% competent managers who know everything and decide - it is impossible, it has been tested by practice. As for the fleet, there is a persistent feeling that a number of responsible persons, instead of solving problems, simply ignore them. And it would be okay to talk about some little things ...
            However, the problem must be voiced in order for it to be solved, and not to make geshefts on it.
            Quote: Serg65
            Ashurbeyli + former commander in chief of the Navy Vysotsky + Maxim Klimov were almost the main reason for the refusal of Peru and Venezuela to buy 15 diesel-electric submarines pr.633.3!

            Wow! And how did they manage it, if not a secret?
            1. +5
              April 25 2019 12: 19
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              In the fleet, there is a persistent feeling that a number of responsible people, instead of solving problems, simply hush them up.

              The fleet and the army are an inseparable part of their country, and if we take into account what was happening in the country, and now it is happening (frequent landings of the powerful), then what is the difference between the fleet? After all, most of the fleet leadership came out of the 90's!
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              And how did they succeed

              You can read at least this ...
              http://sovpl.forum24.ru/?1-1-40-00000322-000-0-0
              1. +2
                April 25 2019 22: 34
                I can add a link ... about this comrade ..
                https://riafan.ru/1115819-mina-zamedlennogo-deistviya-ili-gorodskie-sumasshedshie-protiv-rossiiskikh-podlodok
                1. -4
                  April 26 2019 14: 44
                  Did you read this link yourself?
                2. -1
                  April 30 2019 14: 37
                  Klimov now can not write to the site, asked to put the answer:
                  Mr. NN52 (Dmitry) apparently "forgot to give" my answers to this:
                  http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=764&p=30#p1156228
                  https://riafan.ru/1120918-ostrye-problemnye-voprosy-oboronosposobnosti-strany-stavit-v-smi-neobkhodimo
                  1. 0
                    April 30 2019 19: 13
                    Alexander
                    And why did you post it? Is he trying to justify his complete incompetence?
                    He served in the navy for 10 years and was kicked out of there ..
                    And this is why he can not write to the site? Very interesting? Are authors banned too?
                    And you shut up Maxim Klimov’s lawyer? Strange ... why?
                    This author is inadequate (as a person, and "not a naval officer", in the full sense of the word ...)
              2. -4
                April 26 2019 14: 52

                http://sovpl.forum24.ru/?1-1-40-00000322-000-0-0
                ...
                A lot was planned: for Venezuela 9 submarines, for Peru 6 submarines.


                Why this thrash here to drag? You are an adult, would not disgrace at least ...
              3. -4
                April 26 2019 21: 30
                You can read at least this ...
                http://sovpl.forum24.ru/?1-1-40-00000322-000-0-0


                Several creatives from the same author, from the same forum

                1. Отсюда - http://sovpl.forum24.ru/?1-1-40-00000470-000-0-0-1511743346
                And here is the beginning of the religion of the Antichrist
                What I said, and what was written by all the soothsayers and clairvoyants that the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia will be at the coronation of the Antichrist. And here I came across a document on the establishment of the World Church of the Antichrist. Read for yourself:
                The memorandum on the creation of a “new world religion” between global Judeo-Satanists and traitors to Orthodoxy from Greece was signed in Strasbourg on June 25-29 on 2014 and comes into force on May 1 on 2016. He largely explains the “strangeness” of the Greek crisis and the behavior of the government of the “leftists” who gave many promises to the people of Greece, and gave all the promises - after having achieved separation of the Church from the state. This is just one example of betrayal by the Greek hierarchs. It is known that on the part of the traitors of the Russian Orthodox Church a similar document was signed by Metropolitan Hilarion (Alfeyev)
                The full text of this Memorandum, translated from English into Greek, is posted on 14 August 2014 of the year and re-published on 6 September on 2014 on the Internet portal http://apokalypsisnow.blogspot.ru/. And accompanied by the article-comment "Σ! ΔΙΑΒΑΣΤΕ, ΔΕΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΣΕΝΑΡΙΟ ΤΡΟΜΟΥ! Η ΣΥΜΦΩΝΙΑ ΤΟΥ ΟΛΟΚΛΗΡΩΤΙΚΟΥ ΣΚΟΤΟΥΣ ", that is," Shock! Read, this is not a scenario of terrorism! The consent of all the forces of evil.


                2. Ещё - http://sovpl.forum24.ru/?1-1-40-00000488-000-0-0-1492182980
                Well, the second Korean War began. With which I congratulate everyone. The first shots were fired by the Americans:
                "US Carrier Group off Korean Peninsula shoots down two unknown aircraft."
                An American aircraft carrier group shot down a Korean 2 aircraft. We are waiting for further events.
                ...
                Reported 1 damage to a heavy American ship:
                US carrier group of unknown aircraft. 2 aircraft hit 1 ship sustains heavy damage.
                After the Americans shot down the Korean DPRK 2 aircraft struck back and 1 from the American ships was heavily damaged.


                3. И вот - http://sovpl.forum24.ru/?1-1-40-00000488-000-0-0-1492182980

                Bildelberg has long wanted to give people the "light color of Lucifer". To put it another way, the Jews want to officially swear allegiance to him. But here it is not known to these Downs Jews that the prince of this world has already been sentenced without the right of pardon. Lucifer's story is highly symbolic. He was once a good being, then he rose to the level of angels and became one. But then he wanted to begin to rule everyone himself and began to plot against the Creator. For which he was expelled from the angels. But this does not mean that he has lost his knowledge. Not at all. And Lucifer decided that he could unite the forces of evil to overthrow the Creator and seize power and be the most important.
                According to the data now available, he will come to Earth under the guise of Jesus Christ and will begin to gain trust from people. His arrival, according to the available data, was again postponed until the moment after the planet's polarity reversal, so that people would be suppressed and depressed and needed him. Actually, why he hasn’t come yet can be described as follows - there are white people on Earth who follow Lucifer and inform people about his plans and actions, and therefore people for the most part do not want him to come. And that is why he has not come yet. For the most part, the population of the planet already knows who the Messiah is and who are Jews, and therefore voted against his arrival.


                Well, and so on, I can still throw up, if necessary.

                Such are the critics of Klimov there))))))
          2. +1
            April 25 2019 15: 43
            Mr. Klimov, captain of the 3 rank, transferred to the reserve in the 1989 year,


            He studied at 1989 in school, Sergey.
            1. 0
              April 25 2019 22: 49
              Judging by the laid out links, Klimov, we have an English spy. :)
            2. +3
              April 26 2019 07: 24
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              He studied at 1989 at school

              This date was announced by Vice Admiral Ryazantsev, it was with his submission that she began to walk around profile sites and Klimov never once refuted it ... although he had the opportunity. So sorry! As I understand it from my other words, do you have any complaints?
              1. -1
                April 26 2019 14: 55
                I saw the docks on Klimov, I read the recommendation at the VMA on him, I saw the first sheet of the diploma (he has a diploma on a "closed" topic). He received a lieutenant in 1998. He is not a grandfather even once, Klimov)))

                Well, the forum is the one where you have read all this not a serious source, a little later you link to links.
              2. -2
                April 26 2019 21: 32
                Just above answered
              3. 0
                April 30 2019 14: 35
                The answer from Klimov, he can not now write to the site:


                1. This "date" was not simply never called by Ryazantsev, but was "disfigured" by local "pink ponies", from the comments to Lutskiy's article on PTZ, which caused them a "break in the template" and "a corresponding reaction". After my comments, the "pink ponies" decided ... that I am Lutsky (who quit the USSR Armed Forces in 1989, - as they say "know comment")
                2. Delirium with "1989" I have repeatedly refuted
                3. Likewise "for all other words"
            3. +3
              April 27 2019 17: 54
              Sorry of course ... but, your explanations are like excuses ...
              1. -2
                April 27 2019 18: 36
                Well, I will tell you about it that you are an old grandfather, a traitor, and in return you show the passport page with the date of birth, and that you also started to make excuses?
                1. +3
                  April 27 2019 18: 41
                  the passport page with the date of birth does not prove that YOU !! not grandfather a traitor!
                  1. -2
                    April 27 2019 18: 43
                    You seem to have lost the "thread" of the dialogue. Please reread it first.
                    1. +3
                      April 27 2019 18: 50
                      maybe you have lost the thread of dialogue? just redirecting to you ... what can the passport page explain? that you were born and that you exist? I congratulate you!!! hi
                      1. -1
                        April 28 2019 09: 55
                        It can show WHEN you were born, and, accordingly, it is necessary to indicate that you did not leave retirement in 1989 year. That automatically depreciates all the above mentioned obyineniya.

                        So does showing the page mean that the person is "justified"?

                        Or does he refute baseless lies in his address?
      2. +3
        April 25 2019 09: 13
        this is an inevitable moment.
        a person absolutely innocent and an outsider so deeply in the subject will not understand.
        And therefore, anyone who digs deeply is somehow involved.
        But this alone is not an argument to dismiss his arguments.
      3. 0
        April 30 2019 14: 39
        The answer from Klimov, I post at his request:
        Mr. Alseers (Sasha) (allegedly "who spent 15 years in the PC"), YOU are lying. And you need to answer for your words
        1. Allegedly "lobbyism". Are YOU ready to prove YOUR false statements with facts? Or just blah blah blah?
        2. Isn't it "that bad"? Or maybe Mr. Alseers (Sasha) re-read some of his own posts, incl. with his score of 885 and 955?
        3. Well, again, if you please FACTS and CONCRETIC.
        And by the way, why are YOU so nervous? For an hour not because a very "sweet" word for a number of "military" was mentioned "Titis-Pro"?
        You stated about the allegedly "successful" search for the PDRK mines. More specifically, plizz, more specifically.
        And there is no need to hide behind "secrecy" in this particular case, because the Guide to the PKK "Kalmar" PDRKA is freely available, and it has a "wonderful diagram" with the "comparison" of the GAS, where "Squid" YAKOBY "is superior to" MG- 89.
        The diagram is completely false, and when there will be an opportunity to write comments (in 3 weeks) I will come back to this question.
        But I do not count on YOUR answers, considering YOUR or incompetence (or interest).
        YOU have completely "shown" yourself in your comments to the news on the Yekaterinburg fire. And that "noodles" which YOU "regaled" readers, I will analyze. With links to specific documents.
  4. +2
    April 25 2019 07: 35
    Yes, even in the late USSR, they scored for the mine action in the Navy, so nothing has changed.
  5. +11
    April 25 2019 07: 39
    And the conclusions are as follows: For a war at sea, we are not ready at all, our pitiful remnants of the fleet will be locked in bays and destroyed immediately. He himself served on the MT sistership of the one that in the photo passes through the Bosphorus in the 89th, even then the officers who went to the combat in the Persian Gulf said that our minesweepers, except for the "horned" one, could not cut anything else. Apparently our concept of warfare is to fight from the pier!
    1. -5
      April 25 2019 08: 26
      Quote: Sailor
      said that our minesweepers, except for the "horned" cut off nothing else

      They say that chickens are milked.
      You have driven the Russian fleet into the Stone Age quite a long time ago - look, magnetic and acoustic trawls were invented even under Tsar Gorokh.
      1. +4
        April 25 2019 12: 37
        You may be a seasoned sailor, I just wrote about what I heard from the officers, maybe there was a bit of irony in their words, but the essence is the same, and to the great regret of mine-sweeping forces, we have 1,5 ships for 4 fleets which are something else they can, not chasing pirates.
        1. -4
          April 25 2019 15: 14
          Quote: Sailor

          You may be a seasoned sailor, I just wrote about what I heard from the officers,

          And I heard from the officers that you did not hear anything. My word is against yours.
    2. +3
      April 26 2019 08: 02
      Quote: Sailor
      then the officers who went to the battle in the Persian Gulf said that our minesweepers, except for the "horned" one, could not cut anything else

      Weird! But didn’t you say that during your service Konstantinovskaya Bay was literally clogged with magnetic-acoustic trawls and periodically once a month did the Mi-14BT helicopter with the SAMT-1 trawl inspect the Sevastopol Bay?
      Quote: Sailor
      Apparently we have a concept

      Yes, I see your concept! am
      1. 0
        April 27 2019 08: 09
        We were demagnetizing in the Sevastopol Bay, and the basing place is Streletskaya Bay, and at the expense of the concept: That the Northern Fleet, that the Pacific Fleet boats are at the pier, we will probably "respond with vigorous loaves" from there, if at least one submarine went to the battle, so that's all The media would trumpet that the death of an adversary disappeared in the depths and waits for X hour to give a crushing blow to the enemy, and our media are not asleep and this situation is even more with the surface component, when ships go into service with tugs (something I am I have not seen such a service 89-92).
        1. +1
          April 29 2019 08: 43
          Quote: Sailor
          Our media are not asleep

          The media do not sleep where it is visible, and where it is not visible, these media do not even know!
          Quote: Sailor
          when the ships enter the service with tugs (something I haven’t seen during the 89-92 service).

          Have you been in military service?
          1. 0
            5 May 2019 14: 42
            I haven’t, have you been?
  6. +9
    April 25 2019 08: 10
    Darkness! And the light at the end of the tunnel is not visible ... All these types in shoulder straps have already worked out not just for bunks, but for a ticket to the nearest wall and the team - or .. But the worst thing is that they will continue to feel comfortable in their chairs , the anchors will be nice to put pressure on the shoulders, and the income-righteous and not righteous will continue to drip ... Putin's "vertical" is rotten through and through and there is no one to arrange them for 37 years for blatantly undermining the country's defenses. They will continue to continue in the same spirit, and We will continue to hum from the corral, and the authorities will continue to wreak havoc without paying attention to the muttering from the basement. Well, what about Lenin in the Mausoleum, and even the ashes of Stalin were not preserved ...
    1. -1
      April 25 2019 11: 20
      I wonder if our Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces, President of Russia V.V. knows about this extremely deplorable state of affairs with mine-sweeping forces. Putin, I think that not all information reaches him, or that this information is not always objective and is obviously distorted by someone from the Defense Ministry, issues directly related to the defense capabilities of our country should be constantly monitored, and all those officials who by their actions impede effective development and strengthening our national defenses, at a minimum, they should be dismissed from their posts and, after conducting an internal investigation, be deservedly punished if it is proved that their actions, or their inaction in one way or another negatively affected the defense of Russia.
      1. -1
        April 25 2019 19: 48
        And he wants to know ??????????
        Otherwise, "- does the general know? - but he does not know whether he knows or does not know ...."
  7. +8
    April 25 2019 08: 10
    In any leadership in the Russian Federation (Moscow Region is no exception) "sinecure" flourishes. Actually, the whole "perestroika" in the USSR was started only for the sake of profit from the governing structures, with minimal actions on their part, that is, it was easier to say that the task was to erect the dream of the notorious Leni Golubkov - "we lie and denyuzhki go" to the rank of state policy on relation to managing structures-type: all "market" and "investors" for them (managers-leaders) and for them, will do everything. This led to the fact that managers and bosses generally ceased to develop professionally, replacing the knowledge necessary for competent management and decision-making with intrigues and a hierarchical structure of subordination according to the principle: "master-servant-servant". The situation is the same in MO. Such people cannot look deeply into the "topic" to make a balanced and well-grounded decision, and they are too lazy to do it, they have long been living according to the principle not only of "Leni Golubkov", but also of "Vovka from the Far Away Kingdom" - "" and so, it will do, "the main thing is to receive salaries, kickbacks and other incomes on time, and there -" even though the grass does not grow "- everyone has already learned" unsubscribe-justifications ", you will get underneath to write with the dexterity of professional writers, figs - "switchman on duty" is always "ready".
    1. +5
      April 25 2019 08: 29
      If you consider that the development of mine action weapons is somewhat behind the development of mines and mining systems themselves, then ... I don’t even know what to name all that is happening.
      AS an example of "disorder" - the TALLINN TRANSITION of 1941, when the Baltic Fleet for the above reason suffered irreparable losses.
      1. +3
        April 25 2019 08: 54
        In Soviet times, there was such an admiral Isakov, Ivan Stepanovich. He wrote both memoirs and articles of varying degrees of usefulness and truthfulness. But at the end of his writing career he “finished” to the point that he made an honest and truthful “discovery” - “maritime Russia”, ended, in his opinion, in the middle of the 19th century with the departure of the “sailing era” - which, most completely, corresponded to the character of the Russian human. It was sailing ships that fully corresponded to both the character of the Russian man and the style of managing ships and the Russian fleet in accordance with the rules of conduct and attitude adopted by the Russians. The technical revolution, the constant improvement of both ships and the methods of their control and application, do not fit into the archaic system of values, behavior and morality of the Russian people. These sailing ships were built and used for several centuries with minor changes, and service on them required daring, fearlessness, "team play", etc. so inherent in the Russian character, but the modern fleet requires extensive knowledge in many areas, constant improvement of this knowledge, monitoring new in the maritime field, tracking new tactics and practical applications of this or that decision, etc., and so, here are typical Russian conservatism, natural laziness of mind and "glance at the boss" in peaceful conditions (in wartime, on the contrary, the Russian person is transformed and cunning on inventions, etc.) plays a "cruel joke" with the Russian man - he always turns out to be not ready for modern wars and already, in the process of war, with blood and then gaining experience and knowledge. This admiral has "added" to this. By the way, in my opinion, he also has articles about mine warfare.
  8. -5
    April 25 2019 09: 34
    here again, the article is not from that region, but where is the hunchback ...
    And what's wrong with American minesweepers and their numberm (?)
    in the US Navy that NOT what to "protect" "(?)
    68 destroyers URO Arly Burke
    22 Ticonderoga Air Defense Cruiser
    11 aircraft carriers
    all sorts of UDC, TDD, nuclear submarines .... right home video some ....
    1. -1
      April 25 2019 15: 47
      A bit about American trawling forces

      https://topwar.ru/153725-smert-iz-niotkuda-o-minnoj-vojne-na-more-chast-2.html
      1. -2
        April 25 2019 16: 06
        the question is not about PLO helicopters
        and how many minesweepers in the US Navy ?????????????????????????????????
        Mil and Kamov Design Bureau helicopters can produce 100-200 aircraft per year if needed
        Well, since everyone compares the number of ships
        and how much the U.S. Navy Minesweepers have for all of the multi-base bases and a bunch of fleets
        answer: there was 11 maybe left 4
        we have under 40-50 (!)
        * and this mighty Fleet US Navy - 4 Minesweeperare going to catch xnumx of Poseidon laughing laughing laughing
        1. +4
          April 25 2019 16: 13
          The important thing is whether they have the power of the software or not. If we had dozens of helicopters of towing trawls, dozens of NPA, dozens of trained mine action teams to deploy to BNK and the Navy, then the minesweepers could also not be counted.

          But we have nothing of that.

          answer: it was 9 became 4
          we have under 40-50 (!)


          And our 40-50 already what, mines can search? What a twist.
          1. 0
            April 25 2019 16: 34
            I wonder how their 30 trawler helicopters will fly during the operation of our electronic warfare?
            1. +3
              April 25 2019 16: 36
              They have anti-beaters. What "our electronic warfare" can be in Seattle and whether Kings Bay? Where is she from there?
              1. -2
                April 25 2019 16: 43
                for example: the US Navy base in Gibraltar and Italy, very well covers Murmansk-BN from Syria with a radius of 5000 km. There how to trawl without minesweepers in the threatened period ????
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                2. +2
                  April 25 2019 17: 55
                  Quote: Romario_Argo
                  for example: the US Navy bases in Gibraltar and in Italy, very well covers Murmansk-BN from Syria with a radius of 5000 km.

                  Someone here is definitely well covered, but clearly not the base of the US Navy
        2. 0
          April 25 2019 16: 48
          The question here is not even the number of minesweepers, but the equipping of our naval mine-sweeping ships with the most modern and effective mine action equipment.
          1. -1
            April 25 2019 16: 53
            about how 4 the most duper minesweeper and 30 turntables the super duper protect the 44 facility on the whole planet
            failure in 10 bases or 10 AUG choose yourself
            1. 0
              April 27 2019 10: 37
              Any fleet has 2 lines of defense. At their bases and at the base of the enemy. The forces of the US Navy are such that their line of defense from our ships passes through the exits from OUR bases. Question: Why do they need minesweepers?
              1. 0
                April 27 2019 18: 38
                The forces of the US Navy are such that their line of defense from our ships passes through the exits from OUR bases

                at what distance from our naval base for example: Severomorsk - 100 km .; Sevastopol, Novorossiysk, Baltiysk - to 20 km .; Fokino - 30km .; Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky - 30 km.
                - here they have no options
                Question: Why do they need minesweepers?

                find out soon (!) - perhaps a "tanker war" is coming
                for example: 3 Iranian diesel submarines, 877ECM Ave., excel at 24 mines = 72, from the beginning in the Strait of Hormuz, and then at Norfolk (!)
  9. -2
    April 25 2019 09: 54
    I fully support the respected Maxim Klimov, it’s necessary to install modern minesweepers on all minesweepers and build new minesweepers, abandoning laying new surface collapsibles to solving the problems of anti-mine defense and, all the more, abandoning M. super destroyers and M. battleships
    1. 0
      April 27 2019 10: 43
      Not tired of you? You write it in every comment !!! Want to turn the fleet into a kind of fleet of Ukraine? Boats and tugs? How do fleet officers grow? Service growth: commander of an MRK - commander of a division of an MRK, commander of a brigade of dissimilar forces - commander of a fleet ??? Ahrenet official growth ... Large ships are needed for the combat stability of the fleet. Not much, but needed. And 22350m is quite a destroyer. For the brigade at the Pacific Fleet and the SF are needed. I think the country will master. In addition, when they are in service, all destroyers, amphibious destroyers and cruisers will be written off. There will be 9 frigates in 4 fleets
      1. -2
        April 27 2019 16: 59
        Quote: Beregovyhok_1
        How do fleet officers grow? Service growth: commander of an MRK - commander of a division of an MRK, commander of a brigade of dissimilar forces - commander of a fleet ??? Ahrenet career growth ...

        Well, here you are! Why do you need ships, a feeder for cutting people's money to the detriment of defense and to the detriment of the types and forces of really necessary defense, for example, submariners, teams of boats, minesweepers and frigates ..... and my opinion is that admiral’s careerists should be driven everywhere , and from the army and the navy, and even more so, and not at all to build ships so that the admirals smelted qualifications in preparation for tsushima, And where should the pilots who really defend the country, rocket men and tankers grow up? there is the same thing, a platoon, a company ... squadron commander, brigade .....,
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          April 27 2019 18: 37
          Vladimir, the ships in BMZ are easily destroyed by raiding operations from the DMZ, if there is not its own squad of forces in the DMZ.
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            April 27 2019 20: 06
            explain how? apparently the enemy DMZ corps will not be afraid of either coastal aviation or coastal missile forces? no mines or submarines? ... or will they still be able to release an aircraft link per hour from their AB and lo and behold .... will they be able to defeat them with the squadron of our coastal aviation? how do you imagine that? show the tactics of the alleged battle ... if you don’t show it, then you’re wrong .... in total, first-rank NK players are 1 fearing rolls 2 careerists 3 who do not interfere with tactics and strategies of temporary battle ... you can minus the womb for truth, I'm not afraid
  10. -1
    April 25 2019 12: 42
    It is urgent to equip all minesweepers of GAS "Vybory" laughing
    And the submarines. In general, all the ships.
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      April 25 2019 15: 19
      Well, yes and anyway, everyone will write here that everything is sucks with us
      for that, the U.S. Navy doesn’t have anything at all and everyone is silent, like it should (!!!)
      1. +3
        April 25 2019 15: 49
        They have one of the best equipped anti-mine forces in the world.
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          April 25 2019 16: 03
          The most equipped US 4 minesweeper on how many bases and fleets?
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            April 25 2019 16: 15
            They generally can do without minesweepers, the main tasks of finding and destroying mines in the US Navy are not done by minesweepers.
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              April 25 2019 16: 29
              FACT: the US Navy does not have minesweepers at all bases and fleets (11 nominally)
              turntables with trawls will not fly when the same: EW Murmansk-BN closes the radius of 5000 km.
              1. +3
                April 25 2019 16: 29
                So they do not.
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                  April 25 2019 16: 32
                  So they do not.

                  But what about EW Murmansk-BN (?)
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                    April 25 2019 16: 34
                    This does not apply to mine combat.
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                      April 25 2019 16: 39
                      this is precisely what primarily relates to the stability of mine-sweeping forces (!)
                      all shout that the US Navy is the most powerful on the planet. And here bam - it turns out only against the Papuans - strong (!!!)
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              April 25 2019 16: 50
              the most equipped are 4 minesweepers and 30 helicopters with trawls = 34 units
              on 10 AUG and 4 Amphibious groups + VMB 10 and base points 20 = 44 object
              in the United States 9 naval base and 12 locations
              around the world: 1 naval base and 8 base points of the US Navy - how to protect them ????
              and even more than 100 based ports ....
              1. +4
                April 25 2019 18: 52
                Expeditionary mine squadrons.
                They are armed with boats from the Minopoisk GAS, incl. in side-scan sonars, they have the opportunity, without entering a zone where they will be threatened by mines, to identify new formations on a silty bottom and to detect objects that are not in the memory of an ACS mine detection.
                NLA are descended from these boats to check these objects and formations at the bottom, to find and identify mines.

                Then it remains only to destroy the mine, either by a one-time destroyer, launched from the same boat, or, if the mine is identified and obviously does not react to the acoustic field of the motorboat, with different types of cord charges, or with the help of the STIUM.

                The same units are based on warships, so that you can go out to sea without minesweepers, and without external assistance at all.

                The distinctive feature of the American mine action teams is that they can be deployed by military transport aircraft, no one in the world has this option at all.

                Neither helicopters nor minesweepers are needed for this, and according to the experience of the military demining of the Persian Gulf in 1991, the average performance of demining work in the US Navy is one mine in 12 minutes.

                But you, of course, can believe in anything, and even chuckle at the stupid Americans - in the style of Zadornov, but really.
  11. 0
    April 25 2019 18: 16
    It's sad ... But, considering, including and the content of articles on VO, truthfully.
  12. +1
    April 25 2019 20: 56
    Everything is fine, beautiful marquise, things are going on and life is easy, not a single sad surprise except for a trifle ... scrap metal torpedoes, minesweepers do not catch mines, on the contrary, minesweepers catch mines, and so on and so forth.
    As Peter the First wrote in the decree, the subordinate should not confuse the fools of his superiors with his mind. The article is obviously outrageous anti-market, and therefore anti-democratic in nature, discredits partners in the West and their lackeys with us.
    1. 0
      April 26 2019 05: 04
      My dearest! The bosses are not fools. Not very smart are those who go on horror stories with pictures. And now with knocking.
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        April 26 2019 15: 07
        And now with squealing.


        What are you talking about, citizen?
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          April 26 2019 17: 21
          Whoever reads will find, Mr. Tim.
          1. +1
            April 26 2019 21: 37
            That is, when Taran, who is responsible for all PMO Kapraz, bolts to his duties, and when he is asked, like, and how to fight, if anything, he replies that when the ships on mines start to be undermined, then we will take measures, this is normal, Yes?

            And to write about it means squealing? Well, yes, it’s not for you to be undermined, and not for your children.
            1. 0
              April 27 2019 04: 28
              Not having reliable information, not having a naval education, not having service in the Navy behind you, it is not superfluous for you to briskly accuse everyone and everything, especially with hanging a photo. It looks like the Peacemaker site, Mr. Tim.
              1. -1
                April 27 2019 13: 45
                You do not confuse yourself with other people. Who has reliable information, who does not, and from where, you do not know, answer for yourself.
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                  April 28 2019 01: 57
                  So I do not confuse, my dear. You can see the bird on the flight, and the folder clippings without experience and education in the text. Adieu, Monsieur Tim.
  13. 0
    April 26 2019 05: 02
    Another guard with elements of denunciation and photos of the death of "Petropavlovsk". As always, there are a lot of pictures, exactly what the most kind audience adores.
  14. -1
    April 27 2019 09: 14
    The author’s article is traditionally bookmarked. Very interesting, reasoned. I don’t know the possibilities of the new minesweepers, but I confirm what I saw on the old base minesweepers. Their modernization was not carried out. Only current repair. The author of success in his business pushing mountains !!!
    1. 0
      April 27 2019 13: 46
      Only current repair.


      And not complete.
    2. 0
      April 28 2019 02: 08
      Pushing mountains very often leads to collapses.