Project "Pine". On the way to the series and the troops

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Over the past few years, the Russian defense industry has been regularly talking about the promising anti-aircraft missile system Sosna. According to the latest reports received at the end of March, the new ZRK has successfully passed the necessary tests and is now preparing to enter service. Also developed a new surveillance and detection equipment, suitable for use with the “Pine” and other weapons.

The most important news about the Pine air defense missile system and related developments 29 March arrived. RIA Novosti has published an interview with the managing director of the Design Bureau of Precision Engineering. A.E. Nudelman Valeriy Makeev. The head of the company spoke about ongoing work, as well as the completion of the main activities on the most important modern projects.




Advertising image SAM "Pine". Photo KB Tochmash / kbtochmash.ru


One of the current developments of Tochmash Design Bureau is the Sosna air defense missile system, which was first shown to the public at last year's Army-2018 exhibition. This development, allegedly, has a number of positive qualities. The complex is distinguished by high efficiency and accuracy of hitting air targets, high survivability, full automation of processes and minimal reaction time. Also, the air defense missile system of this type shows the maximum range of damage among all existing systems with a laser-beam missile control system.

According to V. Makeev, to date, the Sosna air defense missile system has successfully completed state tests. Now the organizations of the defense industry and the Ministry of Defense are holding the measures necessary for putting the complex into service.

In the context of the Pine air defense system, the managing director mentioned another new development. For example, in the last three years, Tochmash Design Bureau has carried out research and development work to create a promising optical circular survey electronic station. The project envisages the creation of an ECO capable of tracking the environment, finding and maintaining air targets. The station is able to simultaneously track up to fifty objects, determine their coordinates, and also give target designation to other anti-aircraft weapons.

Prospective ECO can be built in land and sea versions, suitable for work on different platforms. Particularly noted option with the installation of such equipment on the self-propelled SAM "Pine". In this case, the latter is transformed into a unique anti-aircraft complex with fully passive means of detection, providing the greatest possible survivability on the battlefield. The absence of any radiation will seriously complicate the detection and identification of such an air defense system, necessary for its subsequent destruction.

This ROC is close to completion by now. Were also conducted state trials, which ended in success. In the near future a decision should be made on the adoption of the ECO in the supply of the armed forces. At the same time, V. Makeev spoke about the possibility of the appearance of such a document in the last days of March.

The Managing Director of the developer company also mentioned the commercial prospects of the Sosna air defense system. To date, even before the appearance of an order for mass deliveries of the Russian army, third parties were interested in this development. There are already applications, but it is not specified yet which countries they submitted.

Project "Pine". On the way to the series and the troops
General view of the combat vehicle. Photo NPO "High-precision complexes" / npovk.ru


It is curious that in the near future the development of a new air defense system can begin. V. Makeev said that the Ministry of Defense is currently conducting research on the further development of air defense weapons and weapons of the ground forces. During 2019, the Ministry of Defense specialists will form requirements for future air defense systems, and the Tochmash Design Bureau plans to take part in the further development of real samples.

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According to the latest reports, the newest SIRS air defense missile system successfully coped with the tests and should soon enter service with the Russian army. Then parts of the ground forces will receive the first production samples of such equipment. Together with the latest machines, the army will have to get some new opportunities directly related to the characteristic features of the proposed complex.

According to the well-known data, “Sosna” is intended for military air defense, as part of which it should provide protection for ground forces on the march, in concentration places and in a combat situation. SAM is responsible for the defeat of a wide range of targets located at ranges up to 10 km and altitudes up to 5 km. "Pine" is intended to combat low-flying aircraft and helicopters in a jump, as well as aviation means of destruction of various types.

The “Pine” air defense missile system is intended to work as part of a layered military air defense system. Its task is to protect the near zone by hitting targets that have broken through other defense elements. For more effective work, “Pine” may be included in the existing communication and control systems providing target designation from third-party sources.

Declared increased survivability on the battlefield, provided the characteristic features of the combat vehicle, its equipment and weapons. For the detection and tracking of air targets, an integrated optoelectronic station with a laser rangefinder is used. An additional ECO has also been developed with a completely passive principle of operation. Such equipment does not use radio waves, which eliminates its detection by means of electronic reconnaissance. Consequently, the probability of hitting air defense complexes is sharply reduced.

The rocket armament is controlled by a laser beam directed at the target. The rocket is automatically held in the beam, and the receiving devices are located in its tail section. Such control principles exclude the possibility of disrupting the attack of missiles using electronic warfare systems, as well as render useless the means of optoelectronic suppression.


SIRS "Pine" at the site. Photo Rbase.new-factoria.ru


According to open data, a full-time ECO of the Sosna complex is capable of taking on airborne targets at ranges up to 25-30 km, depending on their type. Combat work is carried out in automatic or semi-automatic mode. In both cases, most of the various operations are performed by automation, which reduces the burden on the operator and increases the efficiency of his actions. The minimum reaction time is 5 seconds. Improved electronics provides the ability to fire both with a stop, and during movement.

The ammunition set of the Sosna air defense missile system consists of 12 3М340 Sosna-R guided missiles in transport and launch containers on two launchers of a combat vehicle. TPK mounts provide vertical guidance from -5 ° to + 82 °. The combat module allows you to fire in any direction.

SAM 9М340 differs in weight, reduced to 30, (40 kg in TPK), which made it possible not to introduce into the complex a separate transport-charging machine. The rocket is equipped with a solid-fuel engine that provides flight speeds up to 900 m / s. The design of the warhead is optimized for best performance. Undermining is carried out by a contact-proximity fuse with a laser target sensor. Guidance is carried out using a laser beam aimed at the target.

The Sosny equipment is performed in a block-modular form, which allows it to be mounted on different chassis with a lifting capacity of at least 3,5 m. The Sosna air defense system for the Russian army is based on the MT-LB serial chassis. The combat module of the complex is mounted on-site combat / amphibious chassis. According to some reports from the recent past, the Pine module is planned to be used as part of the Ptitselov air defense missile system intended for airborne troops. In this case, it will be mounted on one of the chassis, operated in the Airborne Forces.

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From the point of view of origin, the newest Pine air defense missile system is a variant of the deep modernization of the older Strela-10М3 system. At the same time, it is considered as a replacement for all existing complexes of the Strela-10 family, which no longer fully meet modern requirements. According to open data, in the Russian ground forces now there are about 400 combat vehicles "Strela-10" of all major modifications. In the foreseeable future, they need to be replaced with modern samples.

Known data allow us to present the approximate volumes of future orders for the Sosny batch production. Apparently, in the next few years, the industry will have to build and transfer to the army at least several hundred anti-aircraft complexes of a new type. The increase in efficiency in comparison with the available equipment makes it possible in some way to reduce the required fleet of “Sosna” air defense missile systems, but in this case also large numbers of combat vehicles are required.


Guidance TPK with rockets. Photo Rbase.new-factoria.ru


Also in the context of the transfer of military air defense system to the complex "Pine" should remember the air defense system line "Wasp". This technique, having fighting qualities at the level of "Arrow-10", differs a considerable age. More than 400 combat vehicles of the latest modification of the Osa-AKM remain in the troops. It is likely that the new Pine air defense missile system will have to replace the old “Wasps”. In this case, the volume of orders for mass production will increase significantly.

According to the leadership of KB Tochmash, foreign armies have already become interested in the new domestic development, but the details of this are unknown. It is known that the air defense systems of the Strela-10 family are in service with 17 foreign countries, and 16 continue to operate the Osa vehicles of various modifications. Some of the countries interested in upgrading military air defense can turn to Russia for help and purchase the newest Pine system.

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Thus, the latest news about the Pine air defense system speaks about the completion of one long and difficult phase of work, as well as the imminent start of another, no less difficult and important. Development work completed, passed state tests. Now it is expected the official adoption of the complex and the launch of mass production. In the future, production of serial equipment for foreign customers is possible.

In the near future, along with the latest serial SOSNA air defense systems, the Russian army will receive a number of opportunities and advantages. First of all, she will be able to update the fleet of military vehicles of the army air defense. In addition, it will be possible to increase the potential of air defense in the near zone due to the growth of tactical and technical characteristics and risk reduction. In the future, modern developments can lead to a partial unification of the equipment of the ground forces and the Airborne Forces with known positive consequences.

The completion of the development and successful conduct of state tests of the Sosna air defense missile system is the most important event in modern stories domestic military air defense. On the basis of new ideas and modern components, an improved complex has been created, and soon it will have to enter the army.

On the materials of the sites:
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  1. +2
    April 2 2019 04: 34
    From the written. The complex can conclude that it works only in simple weather conditions and during daylight hours. Smoke, cloudiness and just darkness are fatal for him. It turns out that it will not replace Wasps, but Arrow-10, but with a longer range. Although the Strela-10 SAM is still active homing, constant target illumination is required here.
    1. +11
      April 2 2019 04: 51
      Quote: YOUR
      From the written. The complex can conclude that it only works in simple weather conditions and during daylight hours.
      And the developer claims otherwise -
      high efficiency of use in combat for both high-speed and low-flying targets (including helicopters on a jump and UAVs);
      controlled level of automation of the process of work in battle;
      the ability to work in battle around the clock and in severe weather;
      inconspicuous process of preparation for shooting and excellent survivability;
      there is no minimum height limit for hitting a flying target; destruction of ground lightly armored vehicles is possible;
      lack of sensitivity to the enemy used radar and optical means of suppression;
      firing not only from a place or from short stops, but also in motion;
      the relatively low cost of both the SAM system and the SAM system.
      1. +8
        April 2 2019 05: 12
        It could even be. But the use of laser systems shows the opposite.
      2. +9
        April 2 2019 10: 48
        and do not tell me the dark, but how does a laser beam pass through the smoke that strewn the battlefield and fog that is not uncommon in the sky?
        thirst for details.
        1. +1
          April 2 2019 12: 49
          Quote: just explo
          How does the laser beam pass through the smoke that lined the battlefield and the fog that is not uncommon in the sky?

          Duc, ethno lasers are such things that are different! Read about CO2 lasers ... they pin their hopes on them when they want to "punch through" smoke and fog "...
        2. +1
          April 2 2019 15: 55
          And in the same way as with thermal imagers only in the other direction
          And, the signal is not stunted, but directly by a beam directly into the eye of a rocket
        3. -1
          April 2 2019 22: 14
          These are Spisifichskie lasers))
    2. +3
      April 2 2019 06: 23
      Well, cloudiness and smoke are understandable. And why will darkness be an obstacle? Cannot use laser guidance systems at night?
      1. +3
        April 2 2019 10: 39
        The target is detected visually. How to detect a target at night visually for 25-30 km? Not having a radar
        1. +3
          April 2 2019 12: 13
          In terms of detection at night and without radar: here, of course, yes - only infrared to help.
          1. +2
            April 2 2019 12: 50
            No desire to shovel their comments. All air defense systems, air defense systems, air defense systems in parts of the ground forces are assembled into batteries, battalions, which include a missile defense system - a mobile reconnaissance and command post. In fact, it is a radar and ACS in one person, on the same platform. So they scan the sky in search of targets. They distribute targets between the available means of destruction, give target designation, and then, on the basis of the received control systems, the air defense systems, anti-aircraft systems, and anti-aircraft defense systems begin to work.
            1. 0
              April 3 2019 06: 40
              Quote: YOUR
              PPRU - a mobile point of intelligence and control. In essence, these are radar and ACS

              Please forgive me for interfering without your permission. Do not tell me: what is the name of an anti-radar missile in every year an increasingly potential enemy?
        2. 0
          April 2 2019 12: 51
          Quote: YOUR
          How to detect a target at night visually in 25-30 km? Not having a radar

          Complexes "Strela-10M4" ... "Sosna" can function with external target designation ...
          1. 0
            April 2 2019 12: 58
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Complexes "Strela-10M4" ... "Sosna" can function with external target designation ...

            Error
            They can’t, but this is the main mode of operation.
            1. 0
              April 2 2019 13: 05
              What does the mistake have to do with it, if "Strela-10M ..." also works "independently" when there is a need for it? request
              1. 0
                April 2 2019 14: 05
                The error is that you wrote CAN function with an external CU.
                External CU is the main type of work for all air defense missile systems, air defense missile systems, ZSU.
                For military air defense PPRU-1 (a mobile reconnaissance and command post) radar and automated control system in one person.
                1. 0
                  April 2 2019 18: 18
                  Quote: YOUR
                  The error is that you wrote CAN function with an external CU.
                  External CU is the main type of work for all air defense missile systems, air defense missile systems, ZSU.

                  Mdaa, well, straight according to the charter or other instruction! What are you reading out loud there? But in combat conditions, you have to act on everyone ... like, for example, "Strela-10M" in the Donbass! What is the "main" method "practiced? That is why I said: they can" work "with the VCU, or maybe" independently "...
                  1. +1
                    April 3 2019 04: 12
                    I get it. I'm leaving, I'm leaving, I'm leaving. It’s not for me to argue with such a venerable scientist. Moreover, it is not known what.
                    But still I would like to know what you are trying to prove to me to tell. Please state, if of course you have such an opportunity.
                2. 0
                  April 3 2019 09: 23
                  As far as I know, in Soviet times the Gadgets and Assemblies were sorely lacking, I had to use the PU-12 (i.e. without my own radar). Those. now at regimental level enough ballast?
                  1. 0
                    April 3 2019 15: 55
                    There was ACS Crab, P-40 radar
    3. +8
      April 2 2019 06: 34
      Quote: YOUR
      Although the Strela-10 missile defense system still has active homing,

      The missiles of the "Strela-10M ..." (9M37M, 9M333) complex have passive (!) "Dual-band" GOS [IR-GOS (thermal) + photocontrast (otherwise, light-contrast) GOS ...]
      Quote: YOUR
      it requires constant target illumination.

      There is no "target highlight" here! (otherwise there would be semi-active laser homing ...). In your "style", in this case, the "tail" of the rocket is "highlighted" ...
      Quote: YOUR
      The complex can conclude that it works only in simple weather conditions and during daylight hours.

      Well, not quite so .... What you said is absolutely true in relation to the Strela-10M / M2 / M3 complexes ... But already the Strela-10M4 is equipped with an additional thermal imager, an automatic target acquisition and tracking, a scanning unit, which allows to operate the complex at night and under difficult meteorological conditions during the day.Similar equipment is installed in the new complex "Sosna" ... moreover, it has been improved and "formalized" into an optical-location station ... Yes, I agree that in difficult weather .. conditions, at night the complex is "more difficult" to work ... ... the range of detection and target acquisition may decrease ... but the "functioning" of the complex does not "stop"! The complex "works" at night and in poor weather conditions. ..
      1. +7
        April 2 2019 07: 58
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        There is no "target highlight" here! (otherwise there would be semi-active laser homing ...).

        The 9M340 is dual-mode: at the start, before the launch accelerator compartment, it is a three-point radio command, on the cruise line, along the line of sight of the laser beam (as on the sea "Palma" and 9M337). Therefore, the illumination of the target with a laser is mandatory and this forces at least the OESU-"head" of the complex to constantly keep in line of sight with the target. My IMHO - the lack of the ability to "fire and forget" is a significant drawback when working on air targets that can pose a threat to the complex itself (helicopters, airplanes).
        1. +2
          April 2 2019 09: 20
          Quote: g1washntwn
          at least OESU- "head" of the complex to constantly keep in line of sight with the target.

          Nihts fershteyn! Are you saying that the laser beam is aimed directly at the target? And the tracking system keeps the target, thanks to the reflected laser beam ... (.. like a semi-active laser seeker, but on a ground machine ...) ?? Explain! Otherwise, I can understand your words according to the questions posed!
          PS Mr. YOUR claims that the targeting laser beam is CONSTANTLY aimed at the target ... so you agree with that? And what is directed to the "tail" of the rocket? Explain, for God's sake, to me, a pensioner!
          1. 0
            April 2 2019 11: 24
            On the manufacturer’s website, the guidance system is described as:
            Quote: www.kbtochmash.ru/defence/Сосна.html
            laser targeting

            The laser beam is held on the target, the receiver in the tail of the rocket "catches" the beam and it tries to stay in it until it meets the target.
            Quote: military-encyclopedia.rf
            In the tele-orientation system, the laser beam is modulated in such a way that the on-board receiving device automatically determines the vertical and horizontal deviations of the weapon from the axis of the beam and generates it accordingly. teams.
          2. 0
            April 2 2019 11: 29
            See below. If remote control by laser beam principle. Keeping the beam on target is not necessary. The optical station holds the target and the separately launched rocket, a laser beam is directed at the rocket, which gives the rocket the appropriate commands for maneuvering.
        2. +7
          April 2 2019 09: 29
          Quote: g1washntwn
          Therefore, laser illumination of the target is mandatory

          She is not needed. Do not confuse semi-active laser guidance and laser beam control. These are essentially opposite things.
          Quote: g1washntwn
          My IMHO - the lack of the ability to "fire and forget" is a significant drawback when working on air targets,

          Laser-beam control is an order of magnitude more noise-resistant thing than any homing
          1. 0
            April 2 2019 10: 51
            Does smoke and fog pass too?
            1. +1
              April 2 2019 12: 53
              Yes, it passes, it passes. It all depends on the frequency of the radiation.
          2. +1
            April 2 2019 11: 05
            If LLSN, then you are right, but only partially. OESU holds a laser beam on a rocket and transmits modulated control signals to it. However, the UESU should still be in direct line of sight from the target and keep it in capture in order to control the missile, which means the complex (or BM at least) is at risk. The only difference is that the target does not receive a warning about laser irradiation almost before the arrival of the rocket.
            1. 0
              April 2 2019 12: 39
              Quote: g1washntwn
              OESU should still be in direct line of sight from the target and keep it in capturing in order to control the rocket, and

              The laser beam is directed towards (!) The target, but the beam does not have to "abut" the target! The target can be detected and captured using the tracking system UTZ (technical vision device ...) with a thermal imager (or maybe a TV camera ...)! A laser rangefinder and a laser telecontrol system (SLU) are paired with a thermal imager (TV camera)! There can be an adjustable (!) Divergence angle between the directional vector of the thermal imager and the directional vector of the SLU! A "laser-beam" missile can "fly" near (past) the target and "fire" from a proximity fuse (laser, radio frequency ...). Laser beam control systems can be different .. not necessarily "by the beam, like in a flashlight ..."! The laser telecontrol system can include 2 emitters and a scanning unit, and form 2 beams ...
              1. +1
                April 2 2019 15: 47
                This is understandable. In addition, this method allows the missile to be guided with a proactive trajectory, and not along a catch-up one if the beam is kept on a moving target. However ... UTZ is obliged to see the target so that the rocket knows where to fly? If "yes", then the "principle" fired and forgot "no, the system must keep the target" until victorious. "The threat due to the removal of the beam from the target to the side is reduced, but not so much that the target could not detect the beginning of the attack by the torch of the rocket, for example, and then counterattack the air defense system.
                1. +1
                  April 2 2019 23: 16
                  Quote: g1washntwn
                  If "yes", then the "principle" shot and forgot "no

                  No, so no, what's the difference ....
                  But the target is hit. "Ride, or checkers?" (from)
                  For trying to apply interference in any range is vain suffering before the inevitable. The only option is maneuver. Although it is not a panacea, the UV sensor does not see the rocket.

                  Quote: g1washntwn
                  so that the target could not detect the start of an attack on a rocket torch

                  Well, she will find a "torch", so what? Do not forget, the active section of the trajectory is short, the pturs have even more than 8))) The torch will be seen. But they will not be able to unambiguously identify them as missiles.
                2. 0
                  April 3 2019 04: 28
                  Quote: g1washntwn
                  However ... UTZ is obliged to see the target so that the rocket knows where to fly? If "yes", then the "principle" fired and forgot "no, the system must keep the goal" to the victorious ".

                  That's right ... the principle of "fire and forget" is absent ... no matter how "some" may assert ... But I did not state about the principle of "fire and forget"!
                  Quote: g1washntwn
                  The threat due to the removal of the beam from the target to the side is reduced, but not so much that the target could not detect the start of the attack from the missile's torch, for example, and after that counterattack the air defense missile system.

                  Nuuu ... "There is no ideal in the universe!". As the Fox said, having learned that there are no hunters on the planet, but there are no chickens either ... "It is possible to detect the beginning of the" torch "attack ... you can ... and they are working on it ... there are ready-made developments, products ... but they are not so cheap and effective ... (such a system can be interfered with by causing a "false" trigger ...) in order to "spread everywhere" ... Therefore, still , resort to the "old traditional" method: external pilot warning of a missile attack ...
                3. -1
                  April 3 2019 09: 28
                  So after all, the Full Shot and Forgot in nature does not exist. At a minimum, you need to make sure that the target is hit (or vice versa - not hit and you need to shoot again)
                  1. +1
                    April 3 2019 12: 11
                    We are talking about time from start to hit. During guidance UTZ Pines can give itself out only with a laser range finder (but this chance is small). After the launch of the rocket, as already mentioned, the flare of the rocket. Namely, that while the rocket flies to the target, the complex cannot take measures to a possible counterattack of the enemy, since optics must hold the target and control the rocket until it converges with the target. As well as the operator of anti-tank systems can not give up the sight.
                    For comparison, let's take the "Verba" MANPADS. The shooter can get the launch azimuth from the KSA in advance, aim the rocket at it and launch it on command from cover and line-of-sight, even without having to wait for the target of the missile's seeker. The seeker captures the target on its own, the shooter has the ability to either prepare for the re-use of another tube, or in case of a threat to change position so as not to get hit by a retaliation. He does not have to stand tall and wait for a hit, miss or response.
                  2. 0
                    April 3 2019 21: 02
                    Normal rockets themselves send a picture to the operator: moment
                    defeat (or miss). They have a video in the head.
                    These are very convincing pictures.
      2. 0
        April 2 2019 10: 44
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        There is no "target highlight" here! (otherwise there would be semi-active laser homing ...).

        ... Missile weapons are controlled by a laser beam aimed at the target. The missile is automatically held in the beam, and the receiving devices are located in its tail ... (from the text)
        T.O. telecontrol is the same principle as on the S-75, S-125 air defense systems, with the exception of radar, there is a laser beam.
        1. +4
          April 2 2019 12: 03
          Quote: YOUR
          The rocket is automatically held in the beam, and the receiving devices are located in its tail section ...

          And you call that homing ?? belay Kind people ! You take him away from me, otherwise I will become ill wassat from this "miracle of the Great Monitu"!

          Quote: YOUR
          remote control is the same principle as on the C-75, C-125 SAMs, except for radar, there is a laser beam.

          All men! He finished me! She-she, I didn't want to use it today! But I have to!
          1. +1
            April 6 2019 09: 23
            I did not swell, but laughed, not laughed.
      3. 0
        April 2 2019 10: 50
        active homing implies that the missile is guided by itself, without extraneous guidance sources.
        and yes, the target needs to be highlighted, at least for the fact that you need to launch a missile at it. that is, the launcher must be in line of sight with missiles and targets.
        1. -1
          April 2 2019 23: 19
          Quote: just explo
          active homing implies that the missile is guided by itself, without extraneous guidance sources.

          A bit wrong. Homing means that the missile is guided to the target itself. "Sosna" does not have this.

          Well, then active, semi-active and passive homing. But again, this does not apply to "Pine".
    4. 0
      April 2 2019 08: 27
      Quote: YOUR
      From the written. The complex can conclude that it only works in simple weather conditions and in daylight. Smoke, cloudiness and just darkness are fatal for him.

      ============
      This is wrong - the complex may work around the clock! There is not only optical, but also infrared guidance channels - and the last (as I understand it) 2 or even 3 band ....
      But fog, dust, smoke, etc. - really should significantly affect the scattering of the laser beam!
      Vladimir! In "Sosna" it is not "target illumination" with a laser beam that is implemented, but a somewhat different scheme, similar to the guidance system "in a radar beam" (there were such developments). Here the beam is directed to the tail section of the 2nd stage (where the sensors that monitor the beam spread are located). So shifting the beam towards the target, the operator or automatics tend to "combine" the image of the target and the missile. The missile sensors monitor the LL displacement and issue commands to the steering mechanisms, trying to "keep" the missile "in the center of the beam". Somewhere like that!
      1. 0
        April 2 2019 10: 50
        Quote: venik
        In "Sosna" it is not "target illumination" with a laser beam that is implemented, but a somewhat different scheme, similar to the guidance system "in a radar beam" (there were such developments).

        Conventional telecontrol as in the S-75, S-125 air defense systems. A little exaggerated. There is a measuring signal - the target is a missile, it is processed back to the CHP and a control signal is being sent to the missile. It’s the same here, but not a radar signal, but a laser one.
        1. +1
          April 2 2019 11: 48
          Quote: YOUR
          Conventional remote control as in the C-75, C-125

          Quote: YOUR
          Here is the same, but not a radar signal, but a laser one.

          Where did you come from, the source of my bewilderment? what Reading your comments, I grab my head like that monkey from an anecdote with the words: "oh, pi ... you rejoice; oh, you crank!" The radar beam (!) (Radio beam) can, to some extent, be compared with a laser beam ... In the S-75, S-125 air defense missile systems, the rocket goes radio command control signal "! Signal in the form of radio commands! Different in shape, modulation from the laser beam ... The only thing that" unites "them is that they relate to remote control, not homing!
          1. -1
            April 2 2019 12: 00
            Yes, it was somehow possible to serve in the country's air defense, some 27 calendars. From there, and such unusual knowledge for you.
            And delve into the rules of the site. I would not want to become the source of your lock. Here they quickly decide.
            1. +1
              April 2 2019 13: 21
              Quote: YOUR
              I would not want to be the source of your lock. Here it is fast

              Do you want to "knock"? Ali how? If so, then I am finally convinced that you are much younger than me ... because for my generation, "knocking where you should" in "my own environment" is considered a "trash" ... But still I must admit that you are right: in "discussions "You have to be more restrained, not get excited, try not to get personal" ... but I got excited, I couldn't restrain myself! Here I am wrong ... I admit it, no matter what ...
              1. -1
                April 2 2019 14: 23
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                Do you want to "knock"? Ali how?

                Ali how. Just warned about the undesirability of swear words.
            2. 0
              April 2 2019 18: 29
              Quote: YOUR
              Yes, it was somehow possible to serve in the country's air defense, some 27 calendars. From there, and such unusual knowledge for you.

              Yeah ! Indeed, "unusual"! So "unusual" that it raises doubts that it was a drill post! Well, the head of the warehouse in the air defense unit ... that would be understandable! I say what I think ...
              1. -1
                April 3 2019 03: 20
                You wouldn’t grumble. Your knowledge does not appear at all.
        2. +3
          April 2 2019 14: 52
          Quote: YOUR
          Conventional telecontrol as in the S-75, S-125 air defense systems. A little exaggerated. There is a measuring signal - the target is a missile, it is processed back to the CHP and a control signal is being sent to the missile. It’s the same here, but not a radar signal, but a laser one.

          No, no, no, David Blaine. The principle of aiming missiles at the target for the S-125 and Sosna is the same - telecontrol. But the operating principle of the RKTU S-125 and the TU "Sosny" laser-beam system is different. In the S-125, the missile launcher receives ready-made guidance commands along a wide beam, developed by the UNK in accordance with the measured EDC. The "Sosna" does not receive guidance commands for the missile defense system, but generates them on board itself, in accordance with the measured (tail sensors) deviation of the missile defense system from the beam center of the laser-beam system.
          Simply put, the S-125 SAM "chases" an imaginary point in space, directed at it by teams from the ground. A SAM "Sosny" tries to stay in the center of the beam emanating from the guidance station.
          1. -2
            April 2 2019 15: 03
            The radio command beam at C-125 is 1,5 degrees. There can be no talk of any broadband.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The "Sosna" does not receive guidance commands for the missile defense system, but generates them on board itself, in accordance with the measured (tail sensors) deviation of the missile defense system from the beam center of the laser-beam system.

            It turns semi-active homing.
            1. +2
              April 2 2019 16: 22
              Quote: YOUR
              The radio command beam at C-125 is 1,5 degrees. There can be no talk of any broadband.

              EMNIP, we were specially emphasized that the UV-12 DN is wider than that of all other antennas ("beaver tails" were counted according to the total width of the DN intersection) - so as not to catch the missile "thread" with a narrow needle eye.
              Quote: YOUR
              It turns semi-active homing.

              It would be semi-active if the seeker was catching the reflected signal from the target, and the missile defense system would be aimed directly at the target itself. And so, this is telecontrol, but not command, but radial - "fly along the axis of the NAM, and there, maybe, you will meet the goal".
              1. -1
                April 2 2019 16: 23
                And so it is.
            2. 0
              April 2 2019 18: 07
              Quote: YOUR
              The "Sosna" does not receive guidance commands for the missile defense system, but generates them on board itself, in accordance with the measured (tail sensors) deviation of the missile defense system from the beam center of the laser-beam system.

              It turns semi-active homing.
              ?? belay Mdaaa ... "at least a stake on your head ...."
              1. 0
                April 3 2019 03: 35
                I explain for the gifted.
                Telecontrol. Ground radar measures the distance to the target and to the SAM. At the same time, both the target and the SAM are in the radar beam. Information is processed on the ground and signals of a change in the direction of movement are transmitted to the missile system via a radio command beam.
                The fact that you wrote it does not lend itself to any explanation at all. Well, you don’t even have the most superficial knowledge.
                But if you consider yourself a leading figure in this area, then explain how the missile targeting is organized in the Sosna air defense system.
                1. +1
                  April 3 2019 05: 07
                  Well ... As the saying goes: "I know, but I won't tell!" lol ... I will not say, because. laziness ... laziness, because you are not interesting to me, "by and large". My temporary interest in you is from Perplexity (!)> ("What ignorance, but" what a "self-conceit!") ... PS YOUR "thermonuclear and hydrogen ammunition" I "will probably remember for a long time wink
                  1. -1
                    April 3 2019 15: 57
                    Approximately such an answer was expected. I hope not to meet again.
        3. 0
          April 3 2019 21: 06
          Be that as it may, in the Pine there is no homing. The missile needs to be guided to the target.
          1. 0
            April 4 2019 02: 14
            About that and speech. Just a discussion turned into some kind of bedlam.
            But there is one thing, but nowhere is it written how the guidance is organized.
    5. +2
      April 2 2019 10: 31
      Quote: YOUR
      Although the Strela-10 missile defense system still has active homing

      ==========================
      Vladimir! You are in "no pgava" (as the "classic" used to say)!
      Active GOS is systems themselves emitting signal and receiving signal reflected from the target!
      There is semi-active GOS - those that catch the signal reflected from the target irradiated outside source (ground radar or airborne radar) ...
      And finally, passive seeker - which do not emit anything at all, but catch signals "generated" by the target itself (for example, infrared or radar radiation). These include ALL without exception SAMs with IR or photocontrast receivers ("Igla", "Strela", "Verba", etc.), as well as anti-radar missiles (aimed at the radiation of enemy radars.
      So "Strela-10" has ANYTHING not active, but the most that is not enough to eat PASSIVE guidance
      1. 0
        April 2 2019 10: 45
        Does it somehow change the application?
        1. 0
          April 2 2019 11: 10
          And the goal and the complex should be in direct line of sight from each other, and therefore mutually vulnerable.
          Here, as they say, who quickly grabbed the "Colt" is right.
          1. 0
            April 2 2019 11: 19
            Quote: g1washntwn
            And the goal and the complex should be in direct line of sight from each other, and therefore mutually vulnerable.

            So it is in any air defense system.
            1. 0
              April 2 2019 14: 58
              Quote: YOUR
              So it is in any air defense system.

              In addition to those in which the GOS missile launcher in the final section itself captures the target. There you can shoot without seeing the target - the main thing is to bring missiles to the capture range.
              1. 0
                April 2 2019 15: 12
                And in which SAM it is implemented?
                I explain what you wrote, if someone did not understand. Somewhere beyond the horizon there is a goal. An air defense system launches a missile in that direction without detecting a target. On the rocket is an ACTIVE GOS which independently seeks a target. Having gone beyond the horizon, he discovers the target and is aimed at it.
                I do not know in the world of such air defense systems. ATGMs are available such as Jvevelin or Israeli Spike. They have implemented something similar, but the air defense system ?????????
                1. 0
                  April 2 2019 15: 51
                  Quote: YOUR
                  I explain what you wrote, if someone did not understand. Somewhere beyond the horizon there is a goal. An air defense system launches a missile in that direction without detecting a target. On the rocket is an ACTIVE GOS which independently seeks a target. Having gone beyond the horizon, he discovers the target and is aimed at it.
                  I do not know in the world of such air defense systems.

                  "Standard" with SAM SM-6. The concept is completely written off from the AIM-120 aviation RVV: after the launch of the ARLGSN missile defense system, it is inactive, the missile defense missile goes along the INS with external trajectory correction. When approaching the area where the target is located, the ARLGSN is activated, which searches and locks the target.
                  1. 0
                    April 2 2019 16: 00
                    So the Americans have overtaken us in this direction.
                  2. Kaw
                    0
                    April 2 2019 16: 38
                    All modern air defense systems work this way. SAM discovers a target with its radar, downloads information about the location of the target in the rocket and it flies to the target by ANN, a few kilometers before the target on the rocket, an active or semi-active guidance head is turned on and it independently finds the target. So work S-300, Buk, R-27, R-77.
                    Only the target must first detect the radar of the launcher and then accompany it, because if the target (after launching a missile on it) changes the direction of flight, then a new program of movement toward the target is delivered to the missile from the launcher.
                    1. +1
                      April 2 2019 17: 56
                      Quote: Kaw
                      All modern air defense systems work this way. SAM detects a target with its radar

                      Target detection is the task of RTB. Detection detectors do not work - their task is to capture the target and launch from the issued control unit.
                      Quote: Kaw
                      Only the target must first detect the radar of the launcher and then accompany it, because if the target (after launching a missile on it) changes the direction of flight, then a new program of movement toward the target is delivered to the missile from the launcher.

                      So for the SM-6 there is no need to take a target for tracking the air defense radar. EMNIP, this missile in practice showed the possibility of over-the-horizon interception of targets.
                    2. 0
                      April 3 2019 03: 51
                      You are very, very wrong. We do not have such missiles and there are no such air defense systems to work in this way.
                      And so simple. Let’s say about the S-300 you can still think something like this because it has long-range missiles, and Buk and aircraft missiles with their ranges are too much. The radar seeker on all missiles can be aimed at the source of interference. This is available, but not for a pure purpose, the illumination of the goal is necessary here. Hovering over the reflected signal.
                      What you described is called combined guidance. In the initial section, let’s say so, the missile goes towards the target, at the final one, and this is not a few km, but several dozen GOS starts to work and is not in active mode, it does not have its own radar on the SAM, but as a receiver of the reflected signal. Those. semi-active mode.
                      1. 0
                        April 7 2019 05: 33
                        But before this post I still doubted your competence, but after it, not a bit of doubt. You are completely incompetent.
                        first read something about amraam. if necessary, I can also about aster missiles, for example, to carry out our example?
                      2. 0
                        April 7 2019 05: 37
                        What are you competent in?
                        In the sofas?
                      3. 0
                        April 7 2019 05: 45
                        Yes, even in cat food, but you are not competent in anything.
                        examples at the level of this article are many.
                      4. 0
                        April 7 2019 06: 00
                        We read a couple of articles on the Internet and became a cool specialist. And the controversy surrounding it is written there, but written here. Unlike you, I graduated from such a school under the name MVIZRU there for five years and another 22 years in engineering and command posts in the air defense forces. For you, a super specialist tried to chew in a language that was understandable to you. Did not work out. You have more knowledge. You know such words amraam, SAM aster.
                        By the way, you asked a question there
                        Quote: just explo
                        to conduct our example?

                        Yes, please. In what in what and in our missiles I understand. I would like to read the "knowledge" of a competent person
                      5. 0
                        April 8 2019 11: 58
                        9М96 9М317А 9М317МА
                      6. 0
                        April 8 2019 13: 06
                        What's next?
                        9M96 SAM Redoub
                        The rest of the anti-aircraft missile system "Buk"
                        What should I explain to you about them?
                      7. 0
                        April 8 2019 13: 55
                        YOUR (Vladimir) April 3, 2019 03:51
                        0

                        You are very, very wrong. We do not have such missiles and there are no such air defense systems to work in this way.
                        And so simple. Let’s say about the S-300 you can still think something like this because it has long-range missiles, and Buk and aircraft missiles with their ranges are too much. The radar seeker on all missiles can be aimed at the source of interference. This is available, but not for a pure purpose, the illumination of the goal is necessary here. Hovering over the reflected signal.
                        What you described is called combined guidance. In the initial section, let’s say so, the missile goes towards the target, at the final one, and this is not a few km, but several dozen GOS starts to work and is not in active mode, it does not have its own radar on the SAM, but as a receiver of the reflected signal. Those. semi-active mode.
                      8. 0
                        April 8 2019 14: 01
                        All is correct. What do you specifically dislike?
                      9. 0
                        April 10 2019 19: 25
                        re-read the branch first. maybe it will come.
                      10. 0
                        April 11 2019 02: 04
                        Those. You cannot formulate your claims. Well, okay.
                      11. 0
                        April 15 2019 09: 30
                        one character claimed that we did not have missiles with an active radar seeker.
                        I gave a list of such missiles, what's wrong?
                2. 0
                  April 2 2019 17: 47
                  Quote: YOUR
                  I do not know in the world of such air defense systems.

                  Mdaaa ... well, straight, "anecdote about a gopher"! "Tovarisch" YOUR does not know about "such" air defense systems, but they are! Take, for example, the 40N6 SAM, although this is not the only example ... True, a certain target designation (maybe external) should be ... but this is for all missiles! Nobody fires rockets "from the bullet".
                3. 0
                  April 2 2019 18: 04
                  Quote: YOUR
                  Somewhere beyond the horizon there is a goal. The air defense system launches a missile in the wrong direction without detecting a target.

                  Absolutely not a correct question! Namely: air defense missile launches missiles in that direction without detecting the target... If it launches the missile defense system "in that" direction, and not "in any ... to whom, God will send", it means that the target has been detected! If not by the complex itself, then by an "external source" with the transfer of target designation to the complex.!
                  1. 0
                    April 3 2019 13: 44
                    Quote: Nikolaevich I
                    Totally incorrect question!

                    Rather, inaccurate wording. Must be: ADMS launches a missile in that direction without taking a target to escort its own means. Because target detection is not the task of air defense systems, but of RTV-shnyh radar detection. And then their data goes to KP and VIKO in control cabins.
                    1. 0
                      April 3 2019 15: 03
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      Rather inaccurate wording

                      Well, this is another matter ... alas, this is not the only "inaccurate formulation" from this "tovarischa" ...
                4. 0
                  April 3 2019 09: 34
                  They want to implement this in long-range air defense systems, in particular, SM-6. Successful trials have already been made. But for short- and medium-range air defense systems this is not and is not expected.
  2. +1
    April 2 2019 06: 51
    Natural development of a mobile air defense system. The right decision. I hope to soon observe the "pine" as a participant in parades in different regions of the country.
  3. 0
    April 2 2019 07: 29
    If the ECO is brought up, there will be no price to the system, a sort of a post for the contribution of this millennium. Everything can be put on the same Shilka. supplement the Tunguska, well, purely theoretically.
    1. +1
      April 2 2019 11: 15
      Everything is interesting, everything is very interesting, but it turned out with a more detailed study of the available materials a little different from what is written in the article.
      It turns out that self-targeting is secondary. Maybe, but with a small probability. Work from external target designations. The batteries of the Sosna air defense missile system are also armed with the PPRU-1, which means a mobile reconnaissance and control station 9S80M1-2 "Assembly-M1-2" with a 9S80 radar ..
      A missile defense system is used for control and target designation of air defense systems, air defense systems, and anti-aircraft defense systems of all types and types that are in service with the ground forces.
      The casket opens simply.
  4. +4
    April 2 2019 08: 14
    "... An additional OES has also been developed with a completely passive operating principle. Such equipment does not use radio waves, which excludes its detection by means of electronic intelligence. Consequently, the probability of an attack on air defense systems is sharply reduced ... "
    =======
    And from what floor is the ECO uses radio waves??? This is a priori passive system! Only a laser rangefinder and a laser beam control channel are active!
    Secondly - WHO said that "Pine" radiates nothing in the radio range ??? And THIS "birdhouse, then what?"

    And this is nothing more than a radio command station for launching a missile into the line of sight - it works from the moment of launch to the moment of separation of the first stage and its "departure" from the line of sight (and the tail section of the second stage, where the laser sensors are located) , after which the missile is "picked up" by the laser-beam guidance channel! The truth does not work for long - only a few seconds ..... But everything is the same, just at this moment the PU-shku can be "detected" (although it is difficult to do!
    Carefully need Cyril! More thoroughly!
  5. 0
    April 2 2019 12: 20
    why couldn’t it be made on the basis of T-72 as Terminator-2 (BMOS)? Why is the more fragile MT-LB used?
    1. 0
      April 2 2019 17: 47
      Because the tank base has worse cross-country ability, in itself it is much more expensive + more expensive to operate, more difficult to transport (for example, by plane or tractor)
  6. 0
    April 2 2019 12: 29
    I really hope she will go to the series soon. But. As of the current situation at the enterprise, where the series should be mastered, everything is bad. Big reduction is expected.
  7. 0
    April 2 2019 12: 46
    Pine is a good thing, but like everything is not without flaws. Namely-
    1) narrow sector of fire
    2) single-channel target
    3) a large dead zone in range (the minimum range of work on target) as for the shortest-range air defense systems. About 1200 meters. For so many decades, the acceleration of missiles to 900 m / s could have been done faster and shorter ...
    1. Kaw
      0
      April 2 2019 16: 27
      And further.
      Many modern airplanes have laser radiation sensors (such as our President-C), as soon as Pine captures the target, the airplane pilot will immediately know about it and will know the direction from which it is shining. In this sense, this complex is worse than Strela-10
      1. 0
        April 3 2019 09: 37
        Pine captures the target with a TV, IR or TPV camera. and the lazar beam is aimed at the target in only 1-2 seconds. before hit
  8. 0
    April 2 2019 12: 58
    Question from the amateur.
    What place should the Pine occupy in layered air defense?
    Is the ligament Shell-Tor-S-300 (400) not enough? Is there any duplication?
    1. 0
      April 2 2019 13: 22
      Quote: Snusmumrik
      Question from the amateur.
      What place should the Pine occupy in layered air defense?
      Is the ligament Shell-Tor-S-300 (400) not enough? Is there any duplication?

      The answer from the amateur. If I am not mistaken.
      S-300 (400) cover the country's borders and important objects (factories, power plants, etc.). In fact, they are tied to one place. The "Pantsir" is already covered by the S-300s themselves, radar stations, etc. from small means of destruction (drones, missiles). And therefore, it is attached to these objects.
      "Thor" provides air cover for ground forces (columns of tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, trucks) and moves with them in one column. Therefore, he is on a caterpillar track, so as not to yield to them in cross-country ability.
      In fact, "Thor" and "Pine" are very similar in their tasks. But the "Tor 2M" is quite an expensive piece, its own radar, autonomous tracking and guidance means, can work autonomously and in conjunction with other means. Those. it is crammed with electronics and systems, why and expensive.
      In my opinion, "Sosna" is simply not an expensive means of providing air defense for troops.
      1. -2
        April 2 2019 16: 14
        The ground force also has: C 300B4, Buk M2 M3, Wasp and Tunguska, and also MANPADS and ZUShka. The pine is likely to replace: Wasp, Zushka and Arrow 10M.
        1. 0
          April 2 2019 17: 04
          Quote: Vadim237
          The ground force also has: C 300B4, Buk M2 M3, Wasp and Tunguska, and also MANPADS and ZUShka. The pine is likely to replace: Wasp, Zushka and Arrow 10M.

          Well, S300V4 and "Buk" you mentioned in vain, these are complexes of a different class - long and medium range. It is about short range.
          "Tunguska" cannon, it is, for the most part, the last line.
          I agree with you that Sosna will most likely be a replacement for Strela-10.
          But here is the question.
          With modern technology development, how effective will it be? Will "Sosna" be able to effectively provide air defense of troops?
          Her possibilities are too limited. See the specifications. Not impressive. It is clear that this is done to reduce the cost of the complex. But how effective will it be?
          So the question arises: Why is it needed? What's the use of him?
          In my opinion, it is better to put one "Thor" than five "Pines". There will be more sense.
          1. 0
            April 3 2019 09: 52
            Quote: Every
            . It is clear that this is done to reduce the cost of the complex. But how effective will it be?

            A little bit. In Yugoslavia, these arrows were unmeasured. And, ide, this Yugoslavia, may I ask?
      2. 0
        April 2 2019 22: 35
        In fact, "Thor" and "Pine" are very similar in their tasks. But the "Tor 2M" is quite an expensive piece, its own radar, autonomous tracking and guidance means, can work autonomously and in conjunction with other means. Those. it is crammed with electronics and systems, why and expensive.
        In my opinion, "Sosna" is simply not an expensive means of providing air defense for troops.

        Honestly, this is what scares when they start saving money on security. As one Jewish proverb says ... We are not so rich to buy cheap things. The Russians also have a similar proverb ... The avaricious pays twice. smile
    2. 0
      April 2 2019 15: 07
      Quote: Snusmumrik
      What place should the Pine occupy in layered air defense?

      The location of Strela-10 is a regimental air defense system, the low performance characteristics of which are compensated for by the absence of radiation in the range of radar detection and guidance (due to the absence of these radars).
      1. Kaw
        0
        April 2 2019 16: 26
        Many modern airplanes have laser radiation sensors (such as our President-C), as soon as this Pine captures the target, the airplane pilot will immediately know about it and will know the direction from which it is shining. In this sense, this complex is worse than Strela-10
        1. 0
          April 2 2019 17: 36
          Quote: Kaw
          Many modern aircraft are equipped with laser irradiation sensors (such as our President-S), as soon as this Pine captures the target, the pilot of the aircraft will immediately find out and know the direction from which

          "Pine" captures the target with a thermal imager, not a "laser beam"! Laser-beam guidance to the "tail" of the rocket is constructed in such a way that laser radiation is largely "absorbed-reflected" by the rocket itself ... an insignificant amount of energy "reaches" the target in comparison with the emitted ... But, in my look, there are "punctures" in the declared "invisibility" or "passivity" of the complex: 1. operation of the laser rangefinder ... 2. radio command control of the first stage at start ...
        2. 0
          April 2 2019 17: 43
          It recognizes only during the inclusion of the rangefinder and the launch of the rocket, i.e. seconds before the defeat, when it will be extremely difficult for the pilot to react.
          1. 0
            April 2 2019 19: 01
            The laser range finder works on the target from the moment of its capture, otherwise it is impossible to measure the distance to the target. And without this information, the missile cannot be launched into the target
            1. 0
              April 2 2019 19: 06
              So I wrote the same thing.
              1. 0
                April 2 2019 19: 10
                I think that then "in a matter of seconds" is not entirely true, there may be ... 20 seconds ..
                1. 0
                  April 2 2019 19: 31
                  In 20 seconds, almost any typical target will have time to fly 5-10 kilometers (i.e. it will do the job and rush off into the distance).
                  Now the air defense systems are automated, target acquisition and launch almost coincide, the response time of the automation in a split second.
                  1. 0
                    April 2 2019 19: 39
                    I mean the flight time of missiles to the maximum range, these same 20 seconds. Will and the automation of the aircraft to dodge it
    3. 0
      April 3 2019 09: 39
      And there is no such bunch. Carapace and S-000 in the air defense of the country, Torah - in the air defense of the NE. These are different feudal farms. And in the article, by the way, it is correctly said - to replace the S-10. Here for the Wasp - this is unlikely wink
  9. Kaw
    +1
    April 2 2019 16: 22
    Now the number of airborne threats has increased significantly, gliding bombs, ammunition barracks. Why is this complex needed, why spend money on it? Yes, and replace them with Osu-AKM.
    As I already wrote, this complex will not be able to protect even from conventional KABs, because Americans drop their KABs from 6 km, and this complex has a maximum target hit height of 5 km. (open source).
    I think it will not be effective against planning bombs either, as its sensors can detect non-radiating objects.
    Against small drones, this is also not the best option, since the complex is probably single-channel.
    1. 0
      April 3 2019 09: 48
      So you think that if the target’s target hight is 5 km, then at an altitude of 5.1 km the target will be completely safe? In vain. The damage height of 5 km in this case should be ensured under all conditions of BM use. But above - there are already possible conditions (a very long time to talk). In this case, you need to know the energy of the rocket.
      So drones will have to be shot down, including drums as well as ASP, including the same KABs. Of course, to detect the latter, an external control unit from an assembly or accordion is very desirable. Well and rotors, if you can catch an ambush.
  10. 0
    April 2 2019 18: 03
    I just wanted to say that "Sosna" is a development of the "Strela-10" air defense missile system, as the author himself mentioned this.
    1. 0
      April 3 2019 04: 56
      Quote: akm8226
      "Sosna" is a development of the "Strela-10" air defense missile system, as the author himself mentioned.

      Well, you never know the author ..... I would put it this way: "Pine" is a replacement for "Strela-10M ..." By the way, you know that the "Pine" (9M 337) zur was originally created to modernize "Tunguska "?
  11. -1
    April 2 2019 22: 14
    The main thing on matalyga is the commander's cupola)))
  12. 0
    April 2 2019 22: 44
    I expected more ... fundamentally different, well, something like this ...
  13. 0
    April 3 2019 09: 38
    In my opinion, this is a stillborn project. Because when it was created, the priority goals for the fight against which it was intended and its tasks in the air defense structure were incorrectly defined. The conflict in Syria has very clearly shown that the main enemy of such complexes is the Kyrgyz Republic, drones and, in some cases, NURS and some types of artillery ammunition. Hence the requirements - versatility, high throughput through the search and tracking channels, the ability to fire several targets at the same time, large ammunition, high automation of work, short reaction time. Boyes, that all this is not about our "tree"
  14. 0
    April 5 2019 00: 50
    No, well, he really looks like ADATS ... wassat

    и

    Already suspicious. True ADATS was more powerful
  15. 0
    April 7 2019 15: 31
    Due to the fact that there is no money, but to do something, one must begin to sculpt cheap and ineffective equipment.
  16. xax
    0
    14 June 2019 18: 38
    It is a pity that MT-LB is no longer produced in our country