In Russia, there will be a heavyweight rocket to be sent to the moon

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The Federal Space Agency managed to coordinate with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and send to the Russian government a concept for the development of spacecraft extraction devices, up to 2030. According to a source in the space department, the main task, which is indicated in the document, is the creation of a launch vehicle capable of launching into a near-earth orbit, whose height is two hundred kilometers, a payload of up to seventy tons.

The creation of such a rocket is necessary for the implementation of the plans already voiced earlier, according to which a flight of the Russian manned spacecraft to the Moon should take place by 2028. In addition, it is planned to use this rocket for other purposes, in particular, in order to deliver unmanned spacecraft to asteroids, as well as to other celestial bodies.



The carrier, bringing into the reference orbit up to seventy tons, will be the most powerful rocket in the world, if we talk about the machines that are in operation and are being created to date. Thus, the heavy version of the Falcon rocket, which is being built by the American corporation SpaceX, will be able to put up to fifty-three tons into low orbit. The powerful carrier Arian 5, owned by the European Space Agency, is capable of delivering up to twenty one tons, which is one ton less than what Proton-M can produce in Russia. The most powerful Chinese version of the Chang Zheng family of rockets will be able to deliver up to twenty-five tons.

The Russian super heavyweight rocket will be inferior only to the carriers created in the last century: the Soviet Energia rocket, which took out up to one hundred and five tons, and the American Saturn 5 rocket, built by Werner von Braun, who had a record figure of 140 tons.

The development of the super heavyweight rocket is planned for 2021-2025 years, the creation of the launch complex for it will take place at the Vostochny cosmodrome, which is currently under construction in the Amur region.

However, the creation of such a rocket is only half the battle. The main task set today in Roscosmos is the creation of a base on the Earth satellite. In this regard, difficulties begin to appear. Earlier there were reports that the landing of Russian astronauts on the lunar surface is planned by officials before the 2030 year. For scientists, this option is almost utopian.

According to the scientific director of the Institute of Scientific Policy, Ivan Moiseev, this task can be accomplished after 2040, since earlier the necessary resources for this would not be enough. If the Russian leadership will seek to speed up the solution of this issue, it will come out as the Americans: flew and flew. In order to stay there, you need to look over the 2030 year and build a base on the moon.

The “missile” concept, which was sent to the Russian government, was developed by Roscosmos on the instructions of the Security Council. All this was accompanied by rather scandalous circumstances. So, officials suddenly found out that they were working on two very similar and very expensive projects. In parallel with the creation of the Angara rocket, which has been under way for twenty years, the carrier rocket Rus, which is in fact its counterpart, is being developed.

The creation of two similar missiles is too expensive, in connection with which it was decided to abandon the work on the missile "Rus". When they began to find out the reasons for the occurrence of such a situation, it became clear that in Russia there was no general concept of missiles. After that, Roskosmos was instructed to write it.
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  1. vadimus
    +9
    22 June 2012 08: 46
    It's time to make a breakthrough and prove to the whole world, and first of all to ourselves, that we are the first!
    1. Igorboss16
      0
      25 June 2012 16: 36
      we had a powerful missile n 1 but because of Korolev’s death she still didn’t fulfill her task, although it remained just a little, but there were those who ruined it all, and now a lot of work remains to be done, but much has already been lost
      1. see
        see
        -1
        13 July 2012 08: 24
        The American Saturn-5 rocket did not exist as a rocket - it was all a re-enactment; America still uses Russian rocket engines. There was a Saturn Rocket -1 in camouflage. With appropriate traction, lower than Media in the USSR.
  2. itr
    +7
    22 June 2012 09: 17
    Apparently, everything is completely bad in the space industry if a rocket that takes half as much into orbit than the previous ones
    They will develop, as I understand it, at least 10 years
    1. wk
      +4
      22 June 2012 09: 56
      Quote: itr
      two times less

      he found google he found a 140-ton American, he only put 47 tons into the lunar orbit, if the laws of proportion do not exceed 25 tons, this modern rocket will launch, and if the Americans with a rocket with twice the payload could not solve the problem of creating a base, does this also lead to a dead end? ... if you are enlightened in this matter, please comment.
      1. kustarodinochka
        0
        30 June 2012 07: 42
        you can assemble a station in orbit ....
      2. see
        see
        -1
        13 July 2012 08: 26
        They did not have a Saturn-5 rocket
    2. Tirpitz
      +11
      22 June 2012 10: 07
      Quote: itr

      Apparently everything is completely bad in the space industry

      You are absolutely right, the latest setbacks are an example, and by 2030 you can promise anything. Piz ... t - not tossing bags. Our dates are always postponed even for the construction of frigates, to say nothing serious. By 2050, you can promise a base on Pluto.
      1. 755962
        +3
        22 June 2012 15: 45
        Quote: Tirpitz
        Piz ... t - not tossing bags.

        So far, that only talk. You are absolutely right
        If the Russian leadership will seek to force a solution to this issue, it will come out, like the Americans: flew in and out.
        Yes, even so! So far, no one has surpassed the Americans on this issue. And China does not give "boredom"
        Messages about China’s intentions to send a lunar expedition have been heard before, but this time for the first time these plans are mentioned in official documents of the government.
        China Daily has published a government report summarizing the past five years and outlining plans for space exploration over the next five years. The document noted that the past period was fruitful for the Chinese astronautics, since everything that was outlined in the space program was accomplished - access to outer space, and rendezvous, and docking in outer space.
        Next year, China plans to send two spacecraft “Shenzhou 9” (Shenzhou 9) and “Shenzhou 10” (Shenzhou 9) (manned or unmanned) for docking with the space laboratory “Tiangong-1” (Tiangong 1).
        The document states that the purpose of the research is to prepare for the flight of man to the moon. This program does not yet have an approved schedule. It is only reported that the soft landing of the unmanned module and the deployment of a lunar rover to examine the surface of the Earth’s satellite will initially be worked out. The next stage of the "lunar program" involves the delivery of soil samples of the moon to Earth.
        http://www.3dnews.ru/news/622274
        1. ghetto89
          +3
          22 June 2012 19: 28
          reusable aerospace aircraft are needed otherwise we will spin in orbit
  3. +4
    22 June 2012 09: 21
    I would like to believe in such bright prospects.
  4. vostok
    +2
    22 June 2012 09: 52
    Well, finally they stir, only the competitors do not have to hurry.
  5. Horde
    +3
    22 June 2012 10: 14
    funny, p & ndos "flew" to the moon with the help of the most powerful Saturn5, but for some reason they decided to abandon such an effective racket and start developing a new rocket, but why is there already a rocket? And they feed the whole world with such crap. we must believe that the p & ndos were on the moon.
    1. Tirpitz
      0
      22 June 2012 11: 04
      And we threw energy then? Think what you write!
      1. Horde
        +2
        22 June 2012 14: 25
        And we threw energy then? Think what you write!


        minus one? German warrior!

        the most important thing in a spacecraft is its engines. The unsurpassed RD-170/171, which were on Energia, developed a thrust of 740 tons.



        These engines had their continuation of the RD-180 with a thrust of 390 tons. Russia sells these engines to America RD-180 on which Atlases actually fly, and our p & ndos cannot make their engine, so ours are taking, but where is the famous F-1 ? on which he stood on Saturns5, and for some reason is not used that does not fit at all with American greed-pragmatism, but such things are not scattered about, five !!! engines f-1 dragged Saturn weighing 3.5 thousand tons and after that they were thrown away like old tires together with Sturmbannführer von Braun to the dustbin of history ???






        , as for Energia, it was intended for Buran, Skif, and it was a very expensive ship; now they make Angara ships cheaper, but the technologies for making the ship and the engine go down the drain, as the Americans do not throw away, but on the contrary, they improve.
        1. lotus04
          +2
          22 June 2012 20: 41
          Quote: Horde
          as for "Energy", it was intended for "Buran", "Skif"


          But do not forget it!

          Overview
          Country Union of Soviet Socialist Republics of the USSR
          Index 11K25
          Destination Booster
          Developer NPO Energia
          Manufacturer "Progress"
          Main characteristics
          Number of steps 2
          Length 59 m
          Diameter 16 m (max.) [1]
          Starting weight 2400 t
          Payload mass
          - at LEO Energy: 105 t [2]
          Volcano: 200 t
          - on GSO Energy: 18 t
          Launch history
          Status paused
          The number of starts 2
          - successful 2
          First launch May 15, 1987
          Last Launch November 15, 1988

          Accelerator (Step 0) -
          A (11C771)
          The number of accelerators 4 pcs. (2-8 pcs.).
          March engine RD-170
          Link 740 → 806,2 tf
          (7,55 → 7,89 MN) [3]
          Specific impulse 309,5 → 337,2 sec
          Operating time 140 sec. [4]
          Fuel RG-1
          Oxidizer oxygen
          The first stage - Ts
          Marching engines 4 x RD-0120
          Link 591 → 760 tf
          (5,8 → 7,5 MN) [3]
          Specific impulse 353,2 → 455 sec
          Operating time 480 sec. [4]
          Combustible hydrogen
          Oxidizer oxygen
        2. kustarodinochka
          0
          30 June 2012 07: 45
          economics. RD-180 is cheaper than F1 and technology has since lost ...
    2. kustarodinochka
      0
      30 June 2012 07: 43
      propose to fence technology in 1969 ...
  6. USNik
    0
    22 June 2012 10: 28
    found google found 140t American, in a lunar orbit he only 47 tons put

    Yeah, this kerosene miracle with ballast in the head only according to Google and NASA flew to the moon ...
    1. +3
      22 June 2012 12: 14
      And why didn’t you please kerosene?
      1. Indigo
        0
        22 June 2012 12: 23
        To your question - the answer: http://www.free-inform.hut1.ru/pepelaz/pepelaz-13.htm
        1. 0
          22 June 2012 13: 04
          Thank! Informatively.
        2. Denzel13
          0
          22 June 2012 13: 24
          Indigo, thanks for the link! Very vividly commented.
  7. Mr. Truth
    +2
    22 June 2012 10: 38
    I am for an industrial base on the moon. Helium-3 ... Cold Thermonuclear ... Unlimited energy ... Damn only with the guys from the Zeta Grids we figure it out / agree, otherwise we dig in it firmly.
    1. Van
      0
      22 June 2012 21: 54
      Quote: Mr. Truth
      Damn only with the guys from the Zeta Grids we figure it out / agree, otherwise we dug in there firmly.


      Nishtyak, we will expel their Kuz'kina mother, and we will say to the world community that they say we are clearing the construction site. laughing
  8. +3
    22 June 2012 10: 42
    need to build spacecraft on nuclear reactors
    1. 0
      22 June 2012 12: 16
      Yes! Moreover, RBMK type reactors.
  9. +3
    22 June 2012 11: 33
    A single strategy is needed, and a base on the moon, and from there we will fly further.
    1. ytqnhfk
      0
      26 June 2012 17: 47
      strategy is the tenth attraction on the moon below, which means separation from the planet takes less energy; it turns out a step for going out into space and not hanging in it!
      1. see
        see
        0
        13 July 2012 08: 31
        Well, why the hell to start from the moon. From the orbit of the moon
  10. Volkhov
    +2
    22 June 2012 11: 38
    Radioactive contamination will give us 2 heads each and we will be able to use one for government delirium, and the other to think for ourselves - but will there be a government by then? Development is always late.
  11. +2
    22 June 2012 13: 28
    We have only one global task at our airport -
    this is putting things in order in our space industry.
    The aerospace should be led by people of the Korolev and Yangel caliber .. and not by those finished m * ducks who have now come to power.

    I affirm this as working in this aerospace.
    1. Horde
      0
      22 June 2012 14: 40
      our airport .... working in this aerospace -


      What is an airport, an aerospace?
      1. 0
        22 June 2012 20: 20
        Aerospace is a parody of what we once had ..
        I came to OKB Fakel in '83, a lot of what happened - I didn’t really like, and a lot of respect should be respected ..
        And now this parody is a giant feeding trough ..
    2. see
      see
      0
      13 July 2012 08: 34
      Good troll smart government. There are smarter than you people.
  12. +1
    22 June 2012 14: 25
    Why invent something, you just need to raise the blueprints of the Energy carrier rocket (of course, if they are preserved).
  13. Igor
    +1
    22 June 2012 16: 52
    Hmm ... things are really bad in our space industry, since they are engaged in such fiction, they simply do not understand that neither the military-industrial complex nor Roscosmos can create anything new and even more fundamentally new, in the 90s they could still, but there was no funding , and now the most important PERSONNEL is no longer! In today's Russia, it is not prestigious to be a design engineer, probably a galley slave did not quite realize that it is impossible to live on 25 thousand wooden ones, let alone support a family, buy an apartment, a car , go on vacation and eat meat every day. And how sad it is, our industry will degrade even faster than in the "fun 90s" it has already forgotten how to produce equipment on a large scale, and there is no need to talk about the pervasive corruption.
    1. 0
      22 June 2012 21: 24
      ..Frames say ..
      So I look out the window at work and see another building .. There is a window of our Deputy General for Economic Affairs. This pattsanchik is 28-30 years old .. If you look closely, what is he doing there? ..
      Yes, he is quietly playing computer games in his office ..
      Other patsanchikov - the head of the development department, his right hand .. - also seen at computer games ...
      Here you can tell this ..
      All this pornography began since the company began to pump money ..
      .. And the task - to shove out practically all the old people - has already been completed ..
      1. Van
        0
        22 June 2012 22: 03
        Now good engineers, physicists, mathematicians are needed, and they are all stamped by lawyers as economists in packs like on a conveyor belt, they have already been stamped so much that there is nowhere to shove, so where will the new Korolev and Yangel come from? request
    2. see
      see
      0
      13 July 2012 08: 46
      It’s strange for me to read - some sort of rooster sits -All around shit- he is one very clever. Son-in-tongue, la, don't toss pebbles. Any state at any stage of its development has limited resources. The price of oil fell and the USSR star rolled, and even Brokeback surrendered everything, and the All-Union drunk-Boriska Yeltsin-finished off the country.
  14. wolverine7778
    +1
    22 June 2012 16: 57
    So in 2028. Che is long, however. Hope to "deepen" the process. Moreover, especially cunning tovarischi are selling plots on the moon in full swing. You will have to look at your own property bully
  15. 0
    22 June 2012 21: 26
    And how does Energy not suit you? Investing in such a huge project should be justified .............................. do we have a space program ???
    1. White
      0
      25 June 2012 16: 41
      Purely theoretically (since there was no real design work), Energy had an option called Volcano, the cat had not 4 but 8 side packets. But it’s just that everything was just in the idea of ​​Energy being designed under the weight of the payload on the side, in the Vulcan variant the payload had to be installed on top, that is, the entire central unit had to be radically changed.

      PS All these developments can be very late if SpaceX Mask comes out with FalconHavy
      1. kustarodinochka
        0
        30 June 2012 07: 48
        Energy - Buran old technology. Today no one will fly to TU114.
  16. dobry-ork
    0
    23 June 2012 01: 47
    The more resources we invest in the space industry, the more we get new technologies, jobs and scientists. And in general, it is time to return to those times when the USSR was ahead of the rest! And not only in space!
    1. 0
      23 June 2012 09: 43
      Man, you can’t even imagine how inadequate you are ..
      So, in the early 2000s, I created a system of controlled electric assisted turbocharging of heavy diesel engines .. In practice, I created mathematics and electronics, I completed everything in 80-90 thousand rubles ..
      Customer tests (KolomMashZavod, November-December 2005) - yes, this is the highest achievement of Russia of that decade
      (Grant money - 2.5 million - from the Ministry of Railways, the management of the Special Design Bureau stole - and there was no point in continuing ..)

      Now I work at a space research institute ...
      For example, the topic "Diagnostics" is half a billion rubles ...
      Two years ago, on this subject, we wrote mountains of empty paper reports. Then there was a vague period .. And a month ago I saw a presentation for the leaders - what was done. So, 80% of the presented - it’s just bought someone else’s products and hung up their tags and labels (and it was paid as our own development). The remaining 20% ​​is lower quality products compared to what we did in the 80s.

      I now have the space industry (at least where I am) associated with a steam locomotive which is sacked with bags of currency.
      1. 0
        24 June 2012 18: 08
        And here it is necessary to add
        based on the results of this presentation, it was decided to include our research institute in the Golden Fund of Russia
        I - trudge ..
  17. Fidain
    -1
    23 June 2012 11: 24
    Shas samo vremya, Rassia vstayot na nogi i dengi poevili tak chto Vperyod na pokorenie Luni
  18. ecdy
    0
    24 June 2012 20: 05
    New super equipment
  19. 0
    25 June 2012 17: 01
    Chelomei also had a rocket, maybe he was lying somewhere, eh? smile
    1. kustarodinochka
      0
      30 June 2012 07: 50
      The Chelomeevsky missiles were given to Yangel at the southern plant ... in the Ukrainian SSR. Who was Closer to the government he received money for development.
  20. 0
    April 4 2015 11: 11
    Why fly to the moon? There the Americans have already trodden down. You need to invest in Mars.