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Civilian long-barreled rifle in Russia. Part of 5

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Acquisition of rifled long barrel weapons allowed to citizens of Russia after five years of experience in possession of smooth-bore weapons, subject to the absence of certain administrative offenses. The procedure for obtaining a license is almost the same as when obtaining a license for a smooth-bore weapon.


The number of models of rifled long-barreled weapons available for citizens of the Russian Federation is enormous, in diversity it is not inferior to smooth-bore-long-barreled weapons. Conventionally, the market for rifled long-barreled weapons can, by analogy with the smooth-bore, be divided according to several criteria, according to the manufacturers, domestic / foreign rifle, and for the intended purpose, hunting / sport / self-defense. Although the last paragraph in relation to the rifled already looks quite specific. Again, by analogy with smooth-bore weapons, there is interchangeability - with the same sample you can both hunt and play sports.

I see no reason to consider the rifled long-barreled weapons of the USSR period — it was, but its nomenclature, in comparison with the present, was extremely limited.

Most of the samples proposed by the domestic manufacturer of rifled long-barreled weapons are represented by alterations of the AK / PKK / SVD military weapons into civilian samples. To do this, the possibility of shooting bursts was removed, in some cases, the barrels were performed with the worst ballistic characteristics, the capacity of the store was limited to ten cartridges. Also, the “trimmed” rifled long-barreled weapon is often available in several versions - a classic “army” version, or in a wooden bed, which is ergonomically more convenient for hunting.

The production of rifled long-barreled weapons based on the design of Kalashnikov assault rifles is handled by the same-name Kalashnikov Concern. Virtually the entire range of products manufactured by the concern is delivered to the market in civilian performance.

In particular, the Saiga MK series in full-size and shortened version, chambered for 5,45x39, 7,62x39 and NATO .223 Rem, 308 Win.
.

Full size SAIGA-MK 5,45 isp.30



The shortened SAIGA-MK 7,62 isp.33



Sports Saiga-223 "Svarog"


Of the new products, there is a version of Sayga chambered for 9x19 and a version with balanced automation that reduces recoil when fired.


Sports Saiga-9 "Yarovit" (cartridge 9x19)



Kalashnikov SR1 self-loading carbine with balanced automatics chambered for 223 Rem.


The concern also manufactures rifled weapons of traditional hunting design, for example, the hunting carbine MP-142K for calibers .223 Rem, 9,3 * 64, 30-06 Springfield.


Hunting carbine MP-142K


The Molot-Oruzhie (Vyatskiye Polyany) plant is a direct competitor of the Kalashnikov concern. The “Hammer-Weapon” plant produces civilian long-barreled rifled weapons based on a Kalashnikov light machine gun (PKK) and Kalashnikov assault rifles (AK / AKM).


Carbine VPO-156-18 chambered for 7,62x39 based on AKM


It is with a wooden box and butt, for lovers of classic AKM design.


Carbine VPO-136 "Vepr-KM"



The carbine VPO-159-08 comes complete with three barrels of calibers 7.62x39 (350mm), .366 TKM (420mm), 6.5 Grendel (520mm)



Semi-automatic carbine VPO-102 based on the PKK under the powerful cartridge .30-06 Springfield (7,62 × 63)



Classic hunting carbine Taezhnik VPO-111 / VPO-111 of caliber 7,62x54R with manual reloading with longitudinal-sliding rotary shutter


For lovers stories Civilian versions of weapons of the Second World War - PPSh, RPD and others.


Carabiner "DP-O" to.7,62x54R


The range of "Hammer Weapons" and "Kalashnikov Concern" is expanding rapidly. The cost of weapons produced by these enterprises allows them to be acquired by the majority of the working-age population of Russia. If the new can not afford, then the services of buyers second-hand market. There are certainly less offers than for smooth-bore weapons, but quite enough.

The Tula Arms Factory produced a civilian version of the Vintorez BSS silent sniper rifle - KO VSS under the civilian version of the cartridge 9х39. Silencer, of course, imitation.


KO VSS caliber 9x39


The variety of models offered on the market for rifled long-barreled weapons, gave impetus to the development of small private tuning companies. Their kits can significantly improve the characteristics of tuned weapons.

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i] TIGER carbine tuned with an aluminum lodge (chassis) and Vlasenko butt. Implemented posted trunk, the ability to install sights and additional equipment [/ i]


The Orsis company (Promtechnologii) has become a relatively new player on the Russian weapons market. The company was founded in 2011 year, equipped with modern equipment, and to date, produces a number of samples of high-precision rifles.

In the nomenclature, you can select the ORSIS 120 carbine with a longitudinally sliding butterfly valve, which has a fairly reasonable price for weapons of this level of performance.


[
i] ORSIS 120 Carabiner [/ i]


The ORSIS T-5000 precision rifle is available in various calibers, up to .338 LM (Lapua Magnum), and allows you to work at a distance of up to 1500 meters.


Rifle ORSIS T-5000


The company's new universal tactical self-loading carbine ORSIS-K15 "Brother" chambered for .308 Win., Made according to the scheme of an AR-15 type weapon.


ORSIS-K15 "Brother"


Another company that manufactures precision weapons in Russia is the Integrated Systems Design Bureau (“KBIS”), offering rifles under the Lobaev Arms brand. The history of the Lobaev Arms brand rifles begins with the creation of the Tsar Cannon company, founded by the brothers Vladislav and Nikolai Lobayev in the city of Tarusa (Kaluga region) in 2003. The company developed and manufactured the SVL rifle - Lobaev's Sniper rifle, a precision weapon using the powerful .408CT cartridge and allowing to hit a target at a distance above 2000 meters. The SVL rifle was adopted by the Federal Security Service (FSO). On the basis of the SVL, a civilian model of the OVL (Lobaev Hunting Rifle) was released, differing from the SVL by its name.

In 2010, the Tsar-gun company refused to renew the license for the development and production of weapons, and therefore they had to curtail their activities in the territory of the Russian Federation. The reasons for this event are shrouded in darkness, there are various versions with which readers can familiarize themselves on the Internet. The company team led by the founder continued their activities in the UAE.

In 2013, the company returned to Russia under a new legal entity, KBIS and the brand Lobaev Arms. The priority of "Lobaev Arms" is a world-class precision weapons. Citizens of Russia can purchase precision weapons with characteristics available only to elite special forces.

For example, SVLC-14С “SUMRAK”. .408CT cartridge, 0,2 accuracy, angular minutes, firing range over 2500 meters.


SVLC-14S "SUMRAK"


The model range of “Lobaev Arms” is expanding, in the company's plans a high-precision long-range semiautomatic device in calibers .338 LW (Lobaev Whisper) and .408 LW, available for purchase to citizens of the Russian Federation.

There is also a huge number of foreign-made rifled long-barreled weapons on the market.

As an example, we can cite such a high-class weapon as the Blaser Tactical 2 / R93 LRS2, produced by the German company Blaser. This weapon is equipped with an original longitudinal sliding collet bolt of direct action and is available in calibers up to .338 LM


Blaser Tactical-2 R93 LRS2


The Blaser R93 rifle is also available in other calibers, including the classic hunting version, for different types of hunting.

The creation of Blaser R93 was attended by the deputy chief designer for the design work of the German company “Blaser” - our compatriot Sergey Vasilyevich Popikov, who emigrated from Russia at the beginning of the 90-s. Before moving, he worked at the Tula Arms Plant and lived at the entrance of a house next door to the author. One can only assume how many minds have flowed out of Russia in the years of perestroika and, perhaps, is leaking now.

Another interesting sample available to citizens of the Russian Federation is the Finnish rifle Sako TRG-42 of the .338 LM caliber. This weapon is used by the Special Purpose Center (TsSN) of the FSB and some other special services of the Russian Federation, where it has worked well.


Sako TRG-42 .338 LM DTK 680 rifle


Of the manufacturers of inexpensive foreign weapons that can compete with domestic companies, you can name the Czech company CZ, for example, their model CZ-550 "PREDATOR" under the powerful hunting cartridge .30-06 Springfield.


Rifle CZ-550 "PREDATOR" caliber .30-06


As mentioned earlier, the range of rifled long-barreled weapons in Russia is huge, and in order to choose something for your taste you will have to study the offer on the market, read reviews and reviews of the owners.

The sanctions imposed against Russia led to the absence of cartridges of certain calibers in the domestic market. Russian plants have mastered the production of some of the inaccessible or poorly available calibers, but not all. For example, production of 30-06 Springfield cartridges has begun, production of .338 LM cartridges is planned. Also, a gap in the quality of Russian cartridges is often noticeable, compared to foreign ones, far from in our favor.

The absence of high-precision ammunition in the market, such as .338 LM, .408CT, or their domestic counterparts, is not so much critical for the civilian market for rifled long-barreled weapons, how unpleasant it is from the point of view of state security.

On the other hand, since 2018, citizens are allowed to self-assemble cartridges for rifled weapons, this will allow professional athletes and hunters to get better shooting results using their own collected cartridges.

Let's go back to the domestic manufacturer. It would seem that there are weapons samples on the market for all imaginable tasks of athletes and hunters, but the market may not stop.

A branch of the Tula Instrument Engineering Design Bureau - TsKIB SOO is a large-caliber hunting carbine MC-558. The manual reloading carabiner of the bullpup layout is made on the basis of the silent exhaust sniper rifle chambered for 12,7 × 55 gauges SP-130, .300 LM, .338 LM.

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Hunting carbine MTs-558[/ Center]


Cartridges 12,7 × 55 SC-130


Finally, the Novosibirsk Cartridge Plant began the production of hunting cartridges of the 12,7x108 caliber. At the moment, these cartridges are made only for export.


Export hunting cartridge caliber 12,7x108 mm


However, at the Army-2018 forum, Alexei Sorokin, director of TsKIB SOO, announced the development of the civilian version of the OSN-96 sniper rifle of the 12,7 caliber mm.

OSV-96 is a Russian large-caliber sniper rifle designed to destroy enemy personnel and equipment at long distances. The rifle uses a powerful cartridge 12,7x107 mm (both machine-gun and specialized sniper), its target range is 1800 m. The size of the store OSV-96 is five rounds. The rifle is in service with the Ministry of Defense, the Interior Ministry and the Federal Security Service of Russia.


Large-caliber sniper rifle OSV-96


Rifles caliber .408CT and 12,7х107 mm in range and shooting accuracy, as well as to some extent on the action on the target, you can compare high-precision guided weapons.

Based on what is presented in the review, we can conclude that the citizens of Russia can acquire weapons that are not inferior to those in service with the army and special services. These are conditionally “assault” weapons, and weapons of an infantry sniper (marksman), and weapons intended for special operations by special forces, and the so-called “antimaterial” weapons (intended for destruction of equipment).

To improve the skills of possession of rifled long-barreled weapons can be trained. For example, Lobaev Arms has a proposal - “Lobaev's school of ultra-long range shooting”, where they teach shooting at a distance over 2000 meters. Courses consist of basic (5 and 10 days) and specialized (from 3 days).

It should be noted on the gradual increase in the number of shooting galleries and shooting ranges, where the owners can legally use their weapons, as the hunting, which is allowed to use a rifle, is not affordable for everyone, and not everyone has the desire to shoot at animals.

Apart from short-cut rifle weapons, the ability of Russian citizens to acquire weapons is not much inferior to the capabilities of US citizens, and significantly exceeds what is available for citizens of many other countries.

Despite such an impressive arsenal available to citizens of the Russian Federation, there are no military coups and similar scary people in the country.

Let's hope that this situation will not change in the future. Athletes, hunters and just a weapon lover will be able to legally acquire the best samples of the world arms market.
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Photos used:
ak.kalashnikovgroup.ru, molot.biz, orsis.com, lobaevarms.ru, kolchuga.ru
Articles from this series:
Civilian short arms in Russia. Part of 1
Civilian short arms in Russia. Part of 2
Civilian short arms in Russia. Part of 3
Civilian long-barreled weapons in Russia. Part of 4
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  1. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 14 February 2019 06: 36
    +8
    Hunting rifle chambered for 12,7x108 !!!! Whom have gathered, Godzilla?
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. 14 February 2019 06: 48
      +9
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Hunting rifle chambered for 12,7x108 !!!! Whom have gathered, Godzilla?

      Squirrel in the eye ..... so as not to suffer.
      1. Avior
        Avior 14 February 2019 10: 28
        +3
        yes it’s not like an eye, it will cover all the squirrel like a bull to a sheep laughing
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 14 February 2019 17: 16
          +1
          Quote: Sahalinets
          Hunting rifle chambered for 12,7x108 !!!! Whom have gathered, Godzilla?

          Most likely this is a sport, a meeting of "guests" on distant approaches wassat , well ........... the immediate goal is an elephant! laughing
          1. Avior
            Avior 14 February 2019 21: 05
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            take it higher, mammoth ... laughing
        2. not main
          not main 14 February 2019 23: 13
          0
          Quote: Avior
          yes it’s not like an eye, it will cover all the squirrel like a bull to a sheep laughing

          At best, only shreds of wool.
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 15 February 2019 10: 56
            +1
            Quote: non-primary
            Quote: Avior
            yes it’s not like an eye, it will cover all the squirrel like a bull to a sheep laughing

            At best, only shreds of wool.

            Nothing remains of the squirrel even when using the 5,6 small piece! wassat
    2. Letnab
      Letnab 14 February 2019 06: 50
      +3
      I also had such a question ... belay laughing Who to go with him? What would then lump up the beasts of the beast through the forest?))
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 14 February 2019 07: 13
        +14
        Quote: Letnab
        I also had such a question ... belay laughing Who to go with him? What would then lump up the beasts of the beast through the forest?))

    3. Shopping Mall
      14 February 2019 07: 23
      +4
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Hunting rifle chambered for 12,7x108 !!!! Whom have gathered, Godzilla?


      Probably all the same cloned ...
      1. Horse, people and soul
        Horse, people and soul 14 February 2019 18: 52
        +1
        A friend there ran with Marlin from a .45-70 caliber stainless steel against these very friends.
    4. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 14 February 2019 12: 08
      +1
      We can use wild boar, Elk, bear. On Safar hunting animals are large for them and this caliber is needed.
      1. Ezekiel 25-17
        Ezekiel 25-17 14 February 2019 17: 46
        +1
        For hunting in Africa they take the Goland Goland, but it’s 500 for an elephant, but not the victory of a gloomy genius.
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          SERGEY SERGEEVICS 15 February 2019 09: 19
          0
          They take the weapon that the hunter deems necessary for themselves. Not every hunter will buy the weapon that you listed under certain circumstances.
          1. Major_Vortex
            Major_Vortex 15 February 2019 11: 44
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            Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
            They take the weapon that the hunter deems necessary for themselves. Not every hunter will buy the weapon that you listed under certain circumstances.

            As a rule, for hunting the "big African five" (elephant, rhino, buffalo, lion and leopard) use either a choke or a bolt rifle on a "Mauser" bolt action with controlled cartridge feed, in caliber starting from .375 HH Magnum and above. For a long time in Africa, such a hunt is regulated by law and with "any" weapon they simply will not be allowed on it.
            1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              SERGEY SERGEEVICS 15 February 2019 13: 59
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              And here, any weapon here was talking about 12,7x108 caliber. And how will you get these animals from a small caliber if it has a very small stopping effect. To do this, they make a 12,7x108 caliber and weapons to it. This was the regulation used to use data There were no other rifles except these large-caliber rifles. But now you can see an even more powerful cartridge yourself, and these rifles can also be used on Safari.
              1. Major_Vortex
                Major_Vortex 15 February 2019 17: 05
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                Ezekiel 25-17 (Andrey) wrote above that the 500th caliber, you replied that anyone who chooses the hunter himself. I misunderstood you. The 500th is also the 50th, it is 12,7 mm - this is the maximum caliber that is allowed for sale by civilians in the United States (as a rule, but not in all states). But Africa is not America yet, they generally think differently, and on the elephant, the use of weapons from the caliber .375 HH Magnum (9,53 mm) is legally allowed - this is the minimum caliber. In addition to the diameter, the energy of the cartridge at a specific distance is also taken into account. Still widely used on the elephant .416th caliber. Larger calibers are already exotic, because not every hunter suffers large-caliber returns. There is no binding to the 50th caliber, starting from the .375th HH and .416th.
                1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                  SERGEY SERGEEVICS 15 February 2019 17: 26
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                  In addition to the name of those weapons that he wrote, there are other brands of guns for this caliber. It is not necessary to take Goland & Goland; you can take another name of the gun.
                  1. Major_Vortex
                    Major_Vortex 15 February 2019 17: 32
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                    Of the large African five animals .375 NN is ideal for hunting big cats - a lion and a leopard. And for thick-skinned and wound-resistant animals, the .416 caliber is preferable, but a correctly selected cartridge of the .375 HH caliber is also enough in most cases.
    5. your1970
      your1970 14 February 2019 13: 23
      -2
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Hunting rifle chambered for 12,7x108 !!!! Whom have gathered, Godzilla?
      -apparently those officials- "who are so afraid of the COP - that they do not allow the people to own it !!!" © MG ...

      Here are two different approach to the subject of the COP - Mishin screeching "Give me a pestle! You are all Hoplofob !!!! ah-ah, give me a pestle or better two !!!" and the author with whom you can discuss, give examples, argue, disagree - but calmly, without hysterics ...
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 14 February 2019 17: 19
        +2
        Despite such an impressive arsenal available to citizens of the Russian Federation, there are no military coups and similar scary people in the country.
        - because these weapons can’t (because of size) be carried secretly everywhere! hi
        1. your1970
          your1970 14 February 2019 17: 49
          +1
          Quote: neri73-r
          Despite such an impressive arsenal available to citizens of the Russian Federation, there are no military coups and similar scary people in the country.
          - because these weapons can’t (because of size) be carried secretly everywhere! hi
          What gives secrecy in this case?
          You will not go to the governor anyway / do not come close, they will not let you close to him, but even he does not solve the issue of permission / prohibition.
          And you’ll even go to the head of the village council ......
          Roslyakov’s actions completely confirm this thesis - he easily passed to a local level institution
          Not afraid of the power of people with pistols.
          Moreover, in our own history there is an example - when people with pistols massacres of officials (including very high ranks)
          "So, within a year, starting in October 1905, in the Russian Empire, was killed and wounded 3611 (!!!!!) government officials. By the end of 1907, this number had increased to almost 4500. "- the average was killed every day 10 (TEN !!!) officials. Nevertheless, the king did not forbid carrying weapons.
          But when the people armed rifles (not pistols !!) - here the power ended

          Yes trite - just imagine - yourself with a pistol against the police in bulletproof vests and with machine guns. Do you have a chance to defeat them?
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 14 February 2019 17: 56
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            Quote: your1970
            Quote: neri73-r
            Despite such an impressive arsenal available to citizens of the Russian Federation, there are no military coups and similar scary people in the country.
            - because these weapons can’t (because of size) be carried secretly everywhere! hi
            What gives secrecy in this case?
            You will not go to the governor anyway / do not come close, they will not let you close to him, but even he does not solve the issue of permission / prohibition.
            And you’ll even go to the head of the village council ......
            Roslyakov’s actions completely confirm this thesis - he passed quite easily at the local level
            Not afraid of the power of people with pistols.
            Moreover, in our own history there is an example - when people with guns killed officials (including very high ranks),
            "So, within a year, starting in October 1905, in the Russian Empire, was killed and wounded 3611 (!!!!!) government officials. By the end of 1907, this number had increased to almost 4500. "- the average was killed every day 10 (TEN !!!) officials. Nevertheless, the king did not forbid carrying weapons.
            But when the people armed with rifles (not pistols !!) - here the power ended

            Sorry, but your conclusions do not follow from your own messages! That is, one does not follow from the other. What is the king here? Moreover, the rifles and the demise of power, it seems to me the power is over because of other reasons .....
            1. your1970
              your1970 14 February 2019 20: 54
              -1
              Quote: neri73-r
              That is, one does not follow from the other. What is the king here?
              -because this is one of Misha G.'s favorite theses - "The authorities are afraid of the people with the COP, therefore they do not allow it !!"
              At that moment, a lot of people died in Russia, only officials died in a year and a half one third of our losses in Afghanistan. Nevertheless, the king did not prohibit the acquisition and carrying of weapons.

              Quote: neri73-r
              Moreover, rifles and the demise of power,
              -note-
              1905 revolution of the year - exclusively pistols diluted with hunting rifles. The result is zero.
              1917 revolution - rifles, a lot of rifles. The result is known to all.
              Yes, it is understandable - and the situation was different in the country already, the results of the WWII. Nevertheless, it was the rifle that made the revolution
              "You can't trample on bayonets!" © some of the films
              1. neri73-r
                neri73-r 14 February 2019 21: 11
                0
                Quote: your1970
                -note-
                1905 revolution of the year - exclusively pistols diluted with hunting rifles. The result is zero.
                1917 revolution - rifles, a lot of rifles. The result is known to all.

                Quote: your1970
                Nevertheless, it was the rifle that made the revolution

                Yes, at that moment, even a slingshot would have made a revolution! The result of "zero" is not the presence or absence of rifles, but exclusively the power of power !!!!!!!!!!!! The power became weak and it could be demolished even with a spear! You, either on purpose or out of bewilderment, think that VO readers are feeble-minded people who do not know the rules of formal logic! I repeat once again, in your posts and in your article, these rules are violated, conclusions do not follow from the messages! angry stop
                1. your1970
                  your1970 15 February 2019 14: 58
                  -1
                  Quote: neri73-r
                  Power became weak and it could be torn down even by a horn! You either specifically or perplexedly consider VO readers as moronic people who do not know the rules of formal logic! I repeat again, in your posts and in the article these rules are violated, the conclusions do not follow from the promises!
                  - Thank God you formulated it yourself (otherwise I would be wrong again !!) - "Power is demolished when the government becomes weak !!!!" (1991,2014 and a lot of places and years).
                  Current power not afraid of sales of long-range powerful rifles - which may represent REAL threat to power.
                  The Maidan toppled power even without pistols, so everything rotted.
                  And the opposite example - in Ferguson stuffed with weapons - came the National Guard and all the Negroes stuck their trunks to themselves, having cut the fly beforehand .....
                  1. bk0010
                    bk0010 15 February 2019 20: 10
                    +1
                    There, it seems, the blacks Koreans cleaned up, the troops arrived late, when almost everything was over
          2. vladcub
            vladcub 14 February 2019 19: 42
            +1
            A reasonable question, and the answer is doubtful
        2. Ezekiel 25-17
          Ezekiel 25-17 14 February 2019 18: 12
          +1
          Such a weapon is much more dangerous than the unfortunate and not beloved PM. From the whip, your humble servant at 59 will put a bullet in the card for 300 m, and if I train with a month, and buy modern equipment, we will get to 1000 m.
    6. vkl.47
      vkl.47 14 February 2019 13: 35
      +2
      "Why do you need such a knife?
      For hunting.
      On whom?
      For everyone."
      (C) k / f "Rambo. First blood."
    7. Forever so
      Forever so 14 February 2019 13: 43
      +2
      there is a special group of animals, when shooting at which categorically it is impossible to leave wounded animals.
    8. not main
      not main 14 February 2019 23: 21
      +2
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Hunting rifle chambered for 12,7x108 !!!! Whom have gathered, Godzilla?

      May be. I was surprised by another, why not a word about SCS? Although it is now used when hunting, albeit without a bayonet. A great carbine! Many use it when hunting and there are no complaints!
    9. parkello
      parkello 15 February 2019 17: 53
      +1
      Well, say 12.7 mm is not the largest hunting caliber yet. depending on where and for whom they hunt. there are animals, for example, rhinos .. which are so ... an ordinary bullet ... like a small bear ... or an elephant. and I would take 338 LM no less for lions and tigers. if you don’t immediately kill the first shot, then you’ll consider a dead man. In the best case, a cripple ... in the best.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 15 February 2019 20: 11
        0
        A 12 gauge on a lion how?
        1. parkello
          parkello 15 February 2019 20: 18
          +2
          12th caliber still looking what. if the sleeve length is 80 mm then ... not bad of course, but for a rhino and an elephant it’s weak. It’s difficult for a lion to go with it, because there are restrictions on the range of the shot. it is better to beat such animals from rifled weapons and preferably into the eye or between the eyes, they have terrible agony if they are mortally wounded .. tiger,. lion, buffalo, wild boar .. they must be killed right away. but a wild boar can be beaten out of 12 caliber. and feline are dangerous. there you need to aim well, quickly and accurately. and the main weapon should be rifled and accurate. that would have shot and killed ... otherwise the earth will seem small. and there the larger the caliber the more reliable. from 338 Lapua Magnum and above. and a bolt is desirable. although Mosin. also pounding God forbid ... and Lee Anfield is British, a store. there because of this they were very popular in Africa. good rifles, accurate and very comfortable.
  2. polar fox
    polar fox 14 February 2019 07: 30
    +3
    it’s interesting to compare with the USA ... in the states when the president comes to the city, they also hand over the guns to the OVD? Or does the precinct safe check every 3 of the month? I don’t ask about taxes and information anymore ... the conditions for passing are getting more expensive commissions
    shooting ranges and shooting ranges appear ... didn’t notice. Can I live not there?
    1. Shopping Mall
      14 February 2019 08: 37
      +5
      Quote: polar fox
      it’s interesting to compare with the USA ... in the states when the president comes to the city, they also hand over the guns to the OVD? Or does the precinct safe check every 3 of the month? I don’t ask about taxes and information anymore ... the conditions for passing are getting more expensive commissions


      The police now became safe twice a year to check. Once Rosgvardiya, once precinct. I don’t know about the change on arrival of the president, I think these are local police initiatives. In my opinion in Tula before it was, now there is no need to clarify.
      Licenses and certificates, yes, have risen in price, but in principle it is tolerable. Give away once in 5 years 5000 p. (this is if there is a trauma, and the exam must be retaken). And if the gun, then 1500 physical + 500 in my opinion now for a license to the 1 barrel.

      Quote: polar fox
      shooting ranges and shooting ranges appear ... didn’t notice. Can I live not there?


      Over the past 5-7 years in Tula, it has become possible to shoot 9x19 pistols in two places, in two places with rifles on plates, I think in the area of ​​rifled (rifles) somewhere you can. There is some kind of dynamic, sluggish of course, but there is.
      1. Tatoshi
        Tatoshi 14 February 2019 12: 36
        +1
        In the five millionth St. Petersburg I found only 3 (three!) Shooting ranges, where you can shoot at least with pistols. In two galleries, 25 meters each, in the third - 50. It seems like there is something out of town, but you can't get there without a car.
        Shoot a long distance - there is one club. The club - that is, for shooting there, you need to become a member, you just can’t come to shoot, and there’s no rental there, only with your own.
        1. Horse, people and soul
          Horse, people and soul 14 February 2019 19: 06
          +1
          In St. Petersburg, probably, it was necessary to look for not dashes, but IPSC clubs. There should be much more than three.

          In the suburbs of St. Petersburg (Estonia) there are as many as 13 sports clubs of about 200 people - this is 1 million 300 thousand souls.
      2. Fedor egoist
        Fedor egoist 14 February 2019 13: 45
        0
        Quote: AVM
        Over the past 5-7 years in Tula, it became possible to shoot 9x19 pistols in two places, in two places from rifles on plates, I think in the area of ​​rifled (rifles) somewhere

        I know Dynamo, you can go there. Where else, can you tell me? Within the city if.
        1. Shopping Mall
          14 February 2019 14: 18
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          Quote: Fedor Egoist
          Quote: AVM
          Over the past 5-7 years in Tula, it became possible to shoot 9x19 pistols in two places, in two places from rifles on plates, I think in the area of ​​rifled (rifles) somewhere

          I know Dynamo, you can go there. Where else, can you tell me? Within the city if.


          You can use a pistol in the DOSAAF building at Timiryazev, but there is only training, i.e. you can not just come to shoot, but you can enroll in practical shooting training.
          That they, in my opinion - http://ipsc-tula.ru/
          "Federation of Practical Shooting of Russia of the Tula region (FPSR) as part of the International
          Confederation Practical Shooting (IPSC)
          Everyone is invited to practice practical shooting in Tula in classes: a gun, a carbine and a pistol.
          The trainings are held by the master of sports and the master of sports of international class, the winners of Russian and international competitions.
          Departure to the shooting range every Saturday.
          Applications can be sent to our mail [email protected] or by phone (4872) 589044; + 7 953 1894107

          Those. with a gun doing in Tula, in a carbine / rifle at the shooting range.

          Study on the basis of the Dynamo shooting range: http://www.strelkovyj-klub.ru/instruktory.html

          From a gun - Citadel (http://citadelpark.ru/strelkovyij-kompleks/stoimost-strelby/)

          Grumanty http://www.grumanty.ru/services/199.htm
          1. Fedor egoist
            Fedor egoist 14 February 2019 14: 37
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            Thank you, I will study the information)
        2. Horse, people and soul
          Horse, people and soul 14 February 2019 19: 08
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          Here is the page of one of the St. Petersburg clubs: http://shootingclub.pro
    2. Ezekiel 25-17
      Ezekiel 25-17 14 February 2019 17: 51
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      No, they don’t rent, but for example, in Vanington, DC, you are unlikely to buy it. Laws vary from state to state. In general, I will answer you with the words of the hero: "If you really want to, you can."
      1. Horse, people and soul
        Horse, people and soul 14 February 2019 19: 02
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        California banned "pistol" grips for carbines and, in order to sell, screw a shield onto the pistol grip so that the grip cannot be grasped with a thumb.

        The dusk of the mind of lawmakers gives birth to terrible weapon freaks.
    3. neri73-r
      neri73-r 14 February 2019 17: 59
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      Quote: polar fox
      in the states, when the president arrives in the city, do they also cut the grooves to the police department?

      The GDP arrived at the object located through the house, the district officer checked for a week (4 smooth, 3 rifled) and that's it! But at the time of the visit, there were guests on the roofs with objects that did not give the opportunity to aim for a long time. wassat laughing
      1. Horse, people and soul
        Horse, people and soul 14 February 2019 18: 58
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        But at the moment ...


        This DAY does not cost to go up to the windows and move the curtains.

        bully
  3. vnord
    vnord 14 February 2019 12: 12
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    Quote: AVM
    The police now began to check the safe twice a year.

    Over the past 10 years, out of 8 people who know the owners of weapons, only one came to check.
    1. Horse, people and soul
      Horse, people and soul 14 February 2019 18: 56
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      Since 2011, I checked the safe twice. He presented it, but thousands of rounds did not count. By law, in the country of residence, 5000 athletes and 5 kg of gunpowder can be.
  4. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 14 February 2019 18: 14
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    Based on what is presented in the review, we can conclude that the citizens of Russia can acquire weapons that are not inferior to those in service with the army and special services. These are conditionally “assault” weapons, and weapons of an infantry sniper (marksman), and weapons intended for special operations by special forces, and the so-called “antimaterial” weapons (intended for destruction of equipment).


    The weapon is still the same, only without auto-fire. And the purpose is changed only by the used cartridges, non-military cartridges are not available to civilians.
  5. vladcub
    vladcub 14 February 2019 19: 35
    +1
    Once upon a time in the Republic of Ingushetia, various samples of trophy and obsolete rifles were converted into hunting so-called "frolovki", but then there was a LACK of special hunting rifles, but now?
    Okay, Saiga-Kalashnikov, although I don’t see the point of the PKK-Vepr, because the store on 10 cartridges is still there and without automatic fire, but DP-O is a cheap show-off.
    Dear hunters, I do not want to offend anyone, but WHY do such show-off? How about converting a large-caliber rifle into a hunting one? In my opinion, this is ALL for the amusement of "rich Buratino", but they have strained with logic, In this case, why include this in the list of hunting rifles
    1. Shopping Mall
      14 February 2019 19: 56
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      Quote: vladcub
      Once upon a time in the Republic of Ingushetia, various samples of trophy and obsolete rifles were converted into hunting so-called "frolovki", but then there was a LACK of special hunting rifles, but now?
      Okay, Saiga-Kalashnikov, although I don’t see the point of the PKK-Vepr, because the store on 10 cartridges is still there and without automatic fire, but DP-O is a cheap show-off.
      Dear hunters, I do not want to offend anyone, but WHY do such show-off? How about converting a large-caliber rifle into a hunting one? In my opinion, this is ALL for the amusement of "rich Buratino", but they have strained with logic, In this case, why include this in the list of hunting rifles


      On the part of the manufacturers, this is "just business", and on the part of the buyer, a simple "hachu!", Namely "for fun". Anything is better than stupidly decaying in warehouses or becoming cold.
      1. VictorZhivilov
        VictorZhivilov 14 February 2019 23: 06
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        On the part of the manufacturers, this is "just business", and on the part of the buyer, a simple "hachu!", Namely "for fun". Anything is better than stupidly decaying in warehouses or becoming cold.

        And maybe cooperation ... between the federals, arms operators and the industry. Everyone is happy and happy. What I wish for. smile
  6. VictorZhivilov
    VictorZhivilov 14 February 2019 20: 44
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    Happy holiday who celebrates. smile
    M1911 - self-loading pistol chambered for .45 ACP. Designed by John Moses Browning in 1908 under the name Colt-Browning (US Patent 984519, February 14, 1911).
    Source: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911

    "Scary to think" but produced from 1911 to the present. love
    1. VictorZhivilov
      VictorZhivilov 14 February 2019 22: 33
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      https://topwar.ru/111531-colt-m1911-samyy-izvestnyy-amerikanskiy-pistolet-v-istorii.html
  7. Alexander X
    Alexander X 14 February 2019 21: 18
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    The author modestly kept silent about the accuracy of the firing of a rifle. And this is the most important indicator for precision weapons. The ability to bullet a bullet (I apologize for the tautology) on 2 km says nothing if the average deviation from the TP is 10 m.
    1. Shopping Mall
      14 February 2019 22: 38
      +3
      Quote: Alexander X
      The author modestly kept silent about the accuracy of the firing of a rifle. And this is the most important indicator for precision weapons. The ability to bullet a bullet (I apologize for the tautology) on 2 km says nothing if the average deviation from the TP is 10 m.


      For example, SVLC-14С “SUMRAK”. .408CT cartridge, 0,2 accuracy, angular minutes, firing range over 2500 meters.


      For everything else, at the level of their combat counterparts. Do you think Sako is worsening its TRG-42 especially for Russia, or Blaser? This topic, with degraded trunks, for example, for the Tiger, in my opinion has long been bent. What is the point of worsening if the same Lobayev sells his rifles and teaches shooting at a distance above 2000 m?
      1. Alexander X
        Alexander X 15 February 2019 10: 45
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        [quote = AVMogogo you think Sako its TRG-42 especially for Russia degrades, or Blaser? This topic, with worsened trunks, for example, for the Tiger, in my opinion, has long been bent. [/ Quote]

        I have no questions about TRG-42 and Blazer. Shot enough with one carbine and another. Great trunks. And wow, about match barrels for Blaiseoa, so in general, except for delight I can not express anything. But on the trunks of our hunting carbines I have an ambiguous experience. Therefore, I am interested. For example, until recently, the number of rifling in the Tiger trunk differed from the rifling in the barrel of its military "parent". This is about the "deterioration" of the characteristics. Saiga, no matter how much they held in their hands, did not give better than 2 MOA per 100 out of a series of 10 shots. There was one carbine from Vyatskiye Polyany with a confident 1 MOA per 100m, but it was specially selected for a good man. Berkut ("cut off" Vintorez) - 1 MOA per 100m. I have been fond of varmint shooting for 30 years. Therefore, a sufficient number of rifles passed through my hands to understand what they are suitable for ... Now, due to age and a change of interests, I have moved away from such a pastime ... That's interesting how things are now. And to compile in one opus photos and performance characteristics of weapons from advertising articles is of course informative, but it is better to have facts, and not to argue IMHO ...
        1. Shopping Mall
          15 February 2019 10: 57
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          Quote: Alexander X
          That's interesting how things are now.


          As far as I know, a so-called appeared. Tiger-SVD, in which the rifling as a combat prototype. Regarding improved accuracy, but what can we expect from Saiga or Boar? I don’t think that combatant AK or RPK has better accuracy. Yes, even the domestic patron.

          Now though it is possible to improve the accuracy at the expense of tuning kits, the same Tiger - the Vlasenko lodge, they write that the accuracy increases due to the fact that the barrel is hung, the bed is rigid and the optics securely fastened. It seems to get the accuracy of 1 MOA.

          Quote: Alexander X
          And compiling photographs and technical characteristics of weapons from promotional items in one opus is certainly informative, but it’s better to have the facts, and not to argue IMHO ...


          The purpose of the article was not to make a manual on the choice of weapons, this topic is too extensive, a dozen articles can be written on it, there are specialized resources for this. The entire series of articles "Civilian Weapons" is written in order to provide an overview of what is available and what is not available to citizens of the Russian Federation.
          1. Alexander X
            Alexander X 15 February 2019 11: 00
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            Well, as a review article, it certainly is not even discussed .....
  8. Shopping Mall
    15 February 2019 08: 55
    +2
    MOSCOW, 21 Jan - RIA News. In the center of Moscow, a man was able to repel criminals who extorted a large sum of money from him, reports REN TV.
    It is reported that the criminals kidnapped a man and took him to his house, demanding that he give them 20 millions of rubles.
    However, there he was able to escape and get into his armored Mercedes-Benz Gelandewagen, from where he opened fire on the thieves with a pistol. After that, he began to ram the car of criminals, because of which one of them was trapped in the car.


    I wonder what kind of a gun he had with an armored car?
    1. your1970
      your1970 16 February 2019 12: 11
      +1
      Quote: AVM
      m, who extorted from him a large sum of money, according to REN TV.
      It is reported that the criminals kidnapped a man and took him to his house, demanding that he give them 20 millions of rubles.
      However, there he was able to escape and sit down in his armored Mercedes-Benz Gelandewagen, from where he opened fire on the thief
      - well, for example, the owner of the chop or awarded

      “Moreover, today there is not even a single record of premium firearms, although, according to the most rough estimates, about 12 thousand people own them in Russia.
      According to experts, the fashion for weapons occurs cyclically. As a rule, a surge of such awards falls on periods of instability in the country. So it is symbolic that the active period of distribution of premium weapons fell on dashing 90, it was during this period that they began to massively reward civilians with firearms. The head of the Ministry of Defense Pavel Grachev was especially generous, and only in 1995 – 1996 years he distributed more than 600 pistols. The paratrooper minister even armed 11 media managers and then-Minister of Culture Yevgeny Sidorov.
      At the same time, politicians also armed themselves; Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin became the most famous owner of award weapons. At the same time, pistols appeared at the former leaders of the presidential administration, Valentin Yumashev and Alexander Voloshin. At the same time, from the leadership of the Federal Tax Police Service, an entrepreneur received a nominal "Walter" Roman Abramovich, has a premium weapon and another famous businessman - Vladimir Bryntsalov and hockey player Pavel Bure. The former chairman of the Central Bank Sergei Dubinin is also armed and very dangerous. In addition, several dozen State Duma deputies and governors were awarded with personalized weapons. The absolute record holder in this area is the current head of A Just Russia, Sergei Mironov, who owns an arsenal of six combat pistols. Last year, the actor Stanislav Sadalsky and even the children's rights commissioner under the President of the Russian Federation Pavel Astakhov were armed with pistols. "

      Source: https://versia.ru/rossijskie-chinovniki-massovo-vooruzhayutsya-nagradnymi-pistoletami
      1. Shopping Mall
        16 February 2019 16: 25
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        Quote: your1970
        Quote: AVM
        m, who extorted from him a large sum of money, according to REN TV.
        It is reported that the criminals kidnapped a man and took him to his house, demanding that he give them 20 millions of rubles.
        However, there he was able to escape and sit down in his armored Mercedes-Benz Gelandewagen, from where he opened fire on the thief
        - well, for example, the owner of the chop or awarded

        “Moreover, today there is not even a single record of premium firearms, although, according to the most rough estimates, about 12 thousand people own them in Russia.
        According to experts, the fashion for weapons occurs cyclically. As a rule, a surge of such awards falls on periods of instability in the country. So it is symbolic that the active period of distribution of premium weapons fell on dashing 90, it was during this period that they began to massively reward civilians with firearms. The head of the Ministry of Defense Pavel Grachev was especially generous, and only in 1995 – 1996 years he distributed more than 600 pistols. The paratrooper minister even armed 11 media managers and then-Minister of Culture Yevgeny Sidorov.
        At the same time, politicians also armed themselves; Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin became the most famous owner of award weapons. At the same time, pistols appeared at the former leaders of the presidential administration, Valentin Yumashev and Alexander Voloshin. At the same time, from the leadership of the Federal Tax Police Service, an entrepreneur received a nominal "Walter" Roman Abramovich, has a premium weapon and another famous businessman - Vladimir Bryntsalov and hockey player Pavel Bure. The former chairman of the Central Bank Sergei Dubinin is also armed and very dangerous. In addition, several dozen State Duma deputies and governors were awarded with personalized weapons. The absolute record holder in this area is the current head of A Just Russia, Sergei Mironov, who owns an arsenal of six combat pistols. Last year, the actor Stanislav Sadalsky and even the children's rights commissioner under the President of the Russian Federation Pavel Astakhov were armed with pistols. "

        Source: https://versia.ru/rossijskie-chinovniki-massovo-vooruzhayutsya-nagradnymi-pistoletami


        All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others ... George Orwell
        1. your1970
          your1970 16 February 2019 16: 32
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          Thank God that I do not have 20mln and Gelika armored - I don’t have to kill people because of them ....
          1. Shopping Mall
            17 February 2019 12: 27
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            Quote: your1970
            Thank God that I do not have 20mln and Gelika armored - I don’t have to kill people because of them ....


            I think we are more often killed for 200 rubles than for 20 million ...