The project of reusable spacecraft from JSC "ISON"

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The development of a new reusable spacecraft project started in our country. Already carried out the bulk of research work, which allows you to move to a new design stage. The finished spacecraft, which is expected to appear in the next decade, will be able to solve commercial problems and carry out a large number of repeated flights. The new project is being developed by private JSC “ISON”, which is part of the Cluster of Advanced Production Technologies of the Skolkovo Foundation.

According to the available information, the company “ISON” has been working on the creation of a promising spacecraft for several years. So, during the previous two years she was engaged in theoretical study of the project and carrying out the necessary research. In particular, tests of the model of a new technique in a wind tunnel were carried out. The information obtained allows you to go to the technical design of a new prototype.





At the moment, the main goal of the so far unnamed project is to create a so-called. reusable modifiable scaled flight demonstrator (MLD). This product will be a reduced model of a full-fledged aircraft, designed for the first stage of flight design tests. In the course of testing MLD, experts will gather new information, with the help of which the project will be refined. Then starts the development of a full-fledged spacecraft.

On January 30, the Skolkovo Foundation published a new report on the progress of the ISON company and its success. According to the results of previous work on the reusable spacecraft, a private company received a perpetual license from the Roscosmos State Corporation, which gives it the right to create rocket and space technology. In addition, the company has been certified according to ISO 9001: 2015 quality management standard. These events allow ISON specialists to continue working.

Already announced plans for the company for the coming years. She intends to complete the development of the project and to prepare for production. Then there will be mock-ups designed for ground tests. Later a model sample of the MLD type will be built. He will perform five test flights. All of these checks will hold no later than 2023. The timeline for the completion of the project and the start of operation of the equipment has not yet been specified. It is probably about the middle and second half of the twenties.

Known financial features of the project. At the early stages of development, the Project-Technika corporation allocated 25 million rubles to JSC ISON. Another 30 million received from the Skolkovo Foundation in the form of a grant. Further work, which will result in finished products, requires another 280 million rubles. According to current plans, some of this money will be provided by Skolkovo, and the rest will be received from other co-investors.

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According to the company-developer, the new project provides for the creation of a multi-purpose spacecraft having a number of characteristic capabilities. So, it is planned to provide the ability to solve problems both in airspace and in space. It is alleged that the device from "ISON" will become the world's first model with such functions. The chosen launch method using an aircraft carrier is expected to allow the spacecraft to be operated anywhere in the world and will provide significant savings on launch. All this should simplify and cheapen the development of near-Earth suborbital space.

The company "ISON" has already revealed the expected characteristics of the future spacecraft and the main features of the promising complex as a whole. While the nameless project offers construction of a so-called. aerospace system consisting of the carrier aircraft and the orbiter of the aircraft type. The carrier will have to lift the orbital plane into the air and bring it to a predetermined trajectory. After uncoupling, the spacecraft, using its own power plant, will have to fly according to a given program.

It is likely that a full-fledged spacecraft will be able to perform aerodynamic braking and land in an “airplane-like” manner, but an experienced MLD will have other functions. The flight demonstrator of the new program will land with the help of a parachute. Apparently, this will allow to simplify the testing without prejudice to their scientific results.

The spacecraft of the proposed appearance may be of interest to various structures. The official resources of the Skolkovo Foundation in the “main consumers of the product” section include the state corporation Roscosmos, the United Rocket and Space Corporation and the Ministry of Defense. However, while we are talking only about possible customers. The project is still in its early stages, which imposes certain limitations on its commercial potential.

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February 4 RIA News published new data on the project of ISON, namely a couple of demonstration slides. The first image shows the scheme of the pilot aircraft MLD and reveals some details of this project, and the second shows the features of the flight in future tests. The concept of the aerospace system and its methods of work are well known to specialists and the public, therefore, the image of the future flight demonstrator is of the greatest interest.

From the published images, it follows that the project of the company “ISON” envisages the construction of a “space plane” of a traditional type for such technology. It is proposed to use the nizkoplan scheme with a wing of small span and keels on the ending. The project provides for the launch into orbit with the help of its own power plant, which accordingly affected the appearance and design of the device. At the same time, the MLD is designed as an unmanned aerial vehicle, and this excludes the use of the cockpit, but imposes requirements on instrumentation.

According to the published image, the MLD should have a fuselage of high elongation, which has a circular cross section over most of its length. In this case, a rounded nose fairing and an expanding tail engine compartment are provided. In the nose and in the center of the fuselage there are two instrument compartments. The space between them, as well as behind the central compartment, is given for a couple of tanks for the fuel components. The tail holds the power plant. Unfortunately, the exact list of components and assemblies has not yet been published, and only individual devices are mentioned.

The orbital plane receives a wing of small span and lengthening, trapezoidal in plan, equipped with advanced forward flows. The rear edge of the wing is equipped with elevons maximum possible scope. There are large and long wing tips that serve as the basis for two arrow-shaped carinae. Behind the engine compartment, below, there is an additional plane. Probably, it should perform the functions of the elevator.

As a power plant, it is proposed to use the liquid rocket engine 14D30, borrowed from the upper stage "Breeze". This product has a dry weight of 95 kg and a length of 1,15 m with a diameter of no more than 950 mm. The engine uses the NDMG-AT fuel pair, the control gas is nitrogen. The thrust is defined in 2000 kgf, the specific impulse is 328,6 s. The maximum time of one switch is 2500 with. Such characteristics will be sufficient for the proposed flight demonstrator.

Dimensions and mass of the future prototype remain unknown. In the diagram showing the flight profile, the MLD is depicted “on the back” of the M-55 high-altitude Geophysics aircraft, and this would make it possible to estimate the dimensions and proportions. However, it is not known whether M-55 will be used in the upcoming trials. In addition, it is unclear whether the authors of the scheme tried to comply with the real proportions of technology.



It should be noted that we are talking only about a scaled flight demonstrator, while the main features and characteristics of a full-fledged spacecraft remain unknown. Apparently, the spacecraft will be similar to the expected MLD and no drastic changes in the design are planned. Nevertheless, there is no need to speak with confidence on this topic yet, and any scenario is possible.

However, the company-developer is ready to name the approximate characteristics of the finished aircraft. This product is expected to be able to perform suborbital or full-fledged orbital flights. In the first case, the height of the trajectory will reach 160 km. The speed on the suborbital trajectory will reach M = 7. The maximum achievable orbit height is determined in 500 km. The estimated resource of the device - 50 flights.

A promising reusable apparatus will be lifted into the air using a carrier aircraft. What kind of aircraft will provide flights - is unknown. Lack of information about the dimensions and mass of the device, in turn, interferes with estimates and projections. Probably, these features of a promising project will be revealed in the future.

As part of flights with a different profile, the spacecraft will be able to perform a wide range of tasks. First of all, it is proposed to use it as a platform for conducting experiments and a “vehicle”. In particular, the reusable ship will be able to bring various satellites with permissible dimensions and mass to low orbits. The company-developer notes that its spacecraft will not have a military purpose and will not be able to become a carrier of percussion systems.

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It should be recalled that the project of a reusable spacecraft from JSC "ISON" is not the first domestic development of this class. In the past, such projects were repeatedly proposed, but none of them reached the full practical implementation and operation. The successful completion of past projects was hampered by various factors of financial, organizational and other nature. At present, a new attempt is being made to create a reusable aerospace system, and it is not quite clear how it will end.

Domestic private company "ISON" has already conducted a number of necessary studies and is now making plans for the development and testing of a scaled flight demonstrator, which should open the way to a full-sized sample with all the desired functions. If the project does not face unforeseen difficulties or other problems, a fundamentally new spacecraft may appear in 2023 already in our country already in XNUMX.

On the materials of the sites:
https://sk.ru/
https://ria.ru/
https://tass.ru/
https://interfax.ru/
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  1. +20
    5 February 2019 05: 28
    There were many such projects. All of them were minimized for various reasons. In our country, private capital has been invested in complex technological projects, and products that do not promise quick profits are not ready to invest. It’s easier for us to produce oil, it will immediately give a profit than to realize at least one technologically complex project with the participation of our private business. I am sure that this spaceplane will never be embodied in iron, let’s say so, and will never fly into space. We don’t have our own Mask. The authorities don’t need a competitor, especially where it smells like big money. Therefore, the fate of this product is already a foregone conclusion. And, she will be clearly tragic. ...
    1. +7
      5 February 2019 06: 18
      Quote: ANCIENT
      I am sure that this spaceplane will never be embodied in iron

      It becomes clear when you come to the mention of Skolkovo ...
      Quote: ANCIENT
      And, she will be clearly tragic

      I would say scandalous corruption ....
      1. 0
        5 February 2019 11: 43
        Skolkovo’s 137 billion projects are being created and developed.
        1. 0
          6 February 2019 18: 46
          Skolkovo, as well as Rusnano, were created for cutting. It makes no sense to wait for returns from all their projects.
    2. -2
      5 February 2019 06: 46
      In our country, private capital is in complex technological projects, and, products that do not promise quick profits are not ready to invest

      And nowhere is it ready ... After all, the Russian Federation does not need state-owned enterprises, private corporations are also not needed ... We need a small business, only the Guarantor will keep warm, and the latter will not create enterprises or support such projects.
      1. +4
        5 February 2019 10: 05
        Quote: spektr9
        We need a small business, only the Guarantor will keep warm about it, and the latter will not create enterprises

        Small business was safely killed, even several control shots were fired!
        1. +1
          5 February 2019 10: 31
          Small business was safely killed, even several control shots were fired!

          I don’t know what was killed there, if a large enterprise registers its own points as separate enterprises, so that it would pay taxes as a small business and get rid of the inspectors
        2. +1
          5 February 2019 11: 45
          Why this small business is killed - of whom 15 people know the business is developing, one started producing vacuum dryers for wood.
          1. 0
            April 11 2019 18: 59
            It’s just that he was killed by those who are not trying to develop anything, and it seems to them that small business is killed. But in fact, it is slowly but surely developing, there is no leap but also no degradation. Well, yes, the tents were removed, for sure, and figs with them.
            Just in this area, a private company can be successful, they are not afraid to lose their position when making decisions, the organizational structure works much faster. An interesting project, let's see what happens.
        3. 0
          6 February 2019 14: 25
          Quote: lis-ik
          Small business was safely killed, even several control shots were fired!

          If you mean a small business in manufacturing, then it is constantly exhumed and done. "the most control" shot. Any business in Russia is a conglomerate of corruption and speculation - nothing for the country. For personal enrichment only ...
      2. +3
        5 February 2019 17: 30
        It is interesting how small business can raise the space program. This is not tire fitting or entertaining cow breeding.
        1. -1
          5 February 2019 18: 38
          It can be related production - for components of missiles, engines, etc.
          1. +1
            5 February 2019 19: 01
            Do you entrust the production of components to a small private trader? Honestly, it’s undesirable to put their products on a personal car.
            1. 0
              5 February 2019 20: 39
              I remember 12-15 years ago in Rybinsk there was a story with a criminal case on charges of an "assembler" of aircraft engines in a garage. From "seamless" parts from Rybinsk motors. I don’t remember how they carried out there according to the documents, but he collected about 30 motors, if not more.
              When they took the guy, it turned out that there were not a single complaint about the engines he collected, unlike the factory ones.
              This is about the quality of work in "small business" ...
              1. 0
                6 February 2019 14: 31
                Quote: Vlad.by
                This is about the quality of work in "small business" ...

                Most likely this is about the issue of payment for productive and highly skilled workers ...
                Sorry, but creating some operations in a "private garage" (in terms of electronics) is practically impossible. As for the "handy" guys and girls, we have them:
            2. -1
              6 February 2019 12: 26
              They trust me, although I'm not small anymore - but I started small.
    3. +4
      5 February 2019 07: 52
      Nowhere does private capital, on its own initiative, enter into a complex high-tech business by its own enthusiasm. For this, conditions are needed, the state creates conditions. Musk and many others are engaged in science because he has the opportunity to take a long and cheap loan for this (10 years 1-3%). It doesn’t even come to a mask that the FBI can come to him and accuse him of fraud
      1. +6
        5 February 2019 07: 55
        Mask in the country has not Basmanny justice, where the accusation prevails, but justice with equality of arms and the obligatory integrity of the process. That is why the United States and other developed countries are developed. Maybe at least one of these conditions exists in Russia?
        1. -3
          5 February 2019 22: 54
          Quote: UMA-UMA
          Mask in the country has not Basmanny justice, where the accusation prevails, but justice with equality of arms and the obligatory integrity of the process. That is why the United States and other developed countries are developed.

          Where does all this crap get into your head? Developed countries are such because they have colonies AND EVERYTHING, no more reasons exist.
          1. 0
            6 February 2019 08: 07
            Let’s do it without Sharovik expressions. Germany, lying in ruins after World War II, and Japan did not have colonies. So is the USSR. Singapore, Taiwan, etc. The world and the economy are somewhat different than you think.
            1. 0
              6 February 2019 19: 11
              Quote: UMA-UMA
              Let’s do it without Sharovik expressions.

              Say it to yourself.
              Quote: UMA-UMA
              Germany, lying in ruins after World War II, and Japan did not have colonies.

              The Americans invested heavily in Japan and Germany. Germany and Japan gained access to US markets (US-controlled markets). There are no other reasons for the prosperity of these countries. The Japanese and Germans work not the best of others and not more hardworking, the Germans are lazy, and the Japanese are limited.
              Quote: UMA-UMA
              So is the USSR.

              The USSR had its own markets.
              Quote: UMA-UMA
              Singapore, Taiwan, etc.

              Singapore and Taiwan make money on transportation services.
              Quote: UMA-UMA
              The world and the economy are somewhat different than you think.

              That's it, educate yourself ... !!!
              1. -1
                6 February 2019 20: 42
                You are funny guys, of course. They helped Germany and Japan, Singapore makes money on oil logistics, the USSR had its own markets ... In general, everything around is fools, and the Russian Federation is BETTER ALL.
                1. Did the Americans create first-class engineering and electronics in Germany and Japan? In Russia, too, money flowed in the river in early 2000 from oil rain - everyone ate and lost to sports.
                2. Who prevents the Russian Federation from making money on logistics and transport? We are between the West and the East - God himself commanded! No, we even managed to drop the volume of traffic 4 times in comparison with 90g.
                3. Who is stopping the Russian Federation from creating its markets, or at least keeping Soviet?

                Output. All your type of arguments is the traditional patriotic "everyone is to blame" (USA, Ukraine, West). And, of course, fairy tales about the profitability of the Olympics and just the economy, yeah. Meanwhile, the problem is inept management and organization.
                1. 0
                  6 February 2019 21: 06
                  Quote: UMA-UMA
                  In general, everything around is fools, and the Russian Federation is BETTER ALL.

                  This means that each country earns its own way, and you dumped everything in a heap. That's why you add up kilograms and kilometers?
                  Quote: UMA-UMA
                  1. Did the Americans create first-class engineering and electronics in Germany and Japan? In Russia, too, money flowed in the river in early 2000 from oil rain - everyone ate and lost to sports.

                  You confuse cause and effect. Demand creates supply, but not vice versa. Without markets, your most modern plants in the world will decay idle.
                  Quote: UMA-UMA
                  2. Who prevents the Russian Federation from making money on logistics and transport?

                  Because traffic flows do not pass through the territory of our state.
                  Quote: UMA-UMA
                  We are between the West and the East - God himself commanded!

                  You are simply not in the subject. This is just nonsense.
                  Quote: UMA-UMA
                  3. Who is stopping the Russian Federation from creating its markets, or at least keeping Soviet?

                  Soviet are already lost. Which ones do you mean?
                  Quote: UMA-UMA
                  All your type of arguments is the traditional patriotic "everyone is to blame" (USA, Ukraine, West).

                  You have hallucinations. The United States is certainly to blame, but in my reports this was not.
                  Quote: UMA-UMA
                  Meanwhile, the problem is incompetent management and organization.

                  Well, of course, the fact that a war is being waged against us is completely the fault of our government, the US government certainly has nothing to do with it !!! ???
                  And Hitler attacked the Soviet Socialist Republic through the fault of Stalin and Napoleon through the fault of Kutuzov.
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          2. 0
            6 February 2019 18: 55
            Developed countries are such because they have colonies AND EVERYTHING, no more reasons exist.

            Exactly. Canada, Denmark, Sweden and Finland, Singapore and South Korea are outstanding colonial powers.
            1. 0
              6 February 2019 19: 17
              Quote: vadsonen
              Canada, Denmark, Sweden and Finland, Singapore and South Korea

              Well, you just harnessed to one cart ... "a horse and a quivering doe."
              Canada - the raw materials appendage of the United States
              Denmark, Sweden and Finland are part of the European Union
              Singapore is the largest transportation hub.
              South Korea is a colony of the United States and it lives on sucks.
              1. -1
                7 February 2019 10: 15
                Are you trying to make idiots out of all here ...
                1. This is the Russian Federation a raw materials appendage of Europe and the whole world. Canada is a developed socially-oriented state, one of the 20 largest economies in the world.
                2. Have you ever been to one of these countries? OF COURSE NOT. It is unlikely that they went further to Uryupinsk, otherwise they would not have written such nonsense. I have been to every country mentioned, in the states and in procession many times. But now it’s not about them - the standard of living in South Korea, the developed infrastructure are such that Russia did not even dream of. Ride around the world, see how people live in countries that are governed by the government for the good in practice, and not in eternal chatter like ours.
                1. 0
                  7 February 2019 12: 35
                  Quote: UMA-UMA
                  1. This is the Russian Federation a raw materials appendage of Europe and the whole world. Canada is a developed socially-oriented state, one of the 20 largest economies in the world.

                  Well, of course, is Canada building nuclear power plants, exporting rocket technology, weapons, and much more? Forward to you
                  Quote: UMA-UMA
                  Are you trying to make idiots out of all here ...

                  Canada is a raw material appendage of the United States, which exports "high-tech" products - oil, gas, coal, iron and so on.
                  Quote: UMA-UMA
                  But now it’s not about them - the standard of living in South Korea, the developed infrastructure are such that Russia did not even dream of.

                  A working day of 12 hours, six days a week, ten days of vacation per year - yes they (Koreans) are simply slaves to the Americans.
                  Quote: UMA-UMA
                  Take a ride around the world, see how people live

                  When I see shit, I try not to step on it.
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                    1. 0
                      7 February 2019 22: 15
                      In South Korea, the working week is 68 hours. Going to cut back to 52 hours. You can compare with our week.
                      Koreans have a vacation time of 2 weeks. If an employee has worked in one place for 2 years, then he is entitled to 25 vacation days. However, according to statistics, 66% of Koreans regularly refuse to leave due to workload.
                      Source: https://basetop.ru/top-10-stran-s-samyim-korotkim-otpuskom/

                      Your ignorance of the building business is going wild. We are rivaled here by Koreans and China, not France
                      Yes, Canada does not look like an appendage, if not taken into account. that she is an appendage of the United States. And it serves exclusively the United States, other countries remain a miser. Therefore, Canada is precisely a colony of the United States, a practically raw materials appendage with the production of goods necessary for the United States (probably due to taxes)
                      RF by itself between east and west but by land. Sea routes are still cheaper. Alas.
                      Yes, also in space, the Russian Federation has always lagged behind the United States. This is not the USSR, alas.
                      But in general, your opponent is right.
                      1. -3
                        8 February 2019 00: 55
                        Neither my opponent, nor you, are right and do not own the situation. Just breed demagoguery and cling to the words, not understanding the essence.
                        1. 68 hours a week does not make South Korea undeveloped, and Koreans unhappy and poor. Their economy is built on the Japanese model, so they successfully compete with Japan and have a high standard of living. In Russia, however, eternal holidays. to the nausea - the whole world begins to work on January 2-3, they celebrate it in the RV for another week, but it does not make citizens happy, it only begets poverty.
                        2. I didn’t hear who is building the nuclear power plant of the Russian Federation, is it really normal and for real money?

                        All your patriotic cherished illusions are extremely dangerous - the country needs a mobilization breakthrough, and not rattle about how everything is fine, with excuses why it does not work.
                      2. 0
                        9 February 2019 22: 48
                        No one said that the 68-hour week makes them backward. It was you who doubted this fact, for which you were seized for tender places. Yes, their prosperity is based on a diaphoretic system, which has a very deplorable effect on the health of the South Koreans. This can be neglected in economic matters, but I am convinced that you will refuse to exert yourself as much as they do.
                        Do not blame us for unctuous patriotism. The argument with your previous opponent came from the fact that you were amused for some reason by the indisputable fact that the success of Germany, Canada and France was due to the fact that they were under the amers who had plundered in due time. Disagreement with these facts led to a dispute.
                      3. -3
                        9 February 2019 23: 20
                        Not the Russians, alas, who have one of the lowest levels of life expectancy and health, can talk about the poor architecture of South Koreans lol
                      4. 0
                        9 February 2019 23: 25
                        It is for us to speak. For so tearing up does not make sense.
                      5. -3
                        10 February 2019 00: 24
                        Tear yourself up? Are you talking about the monthly celebration of the new year? laughing Meanwhile, the mobilization breakthrough is not something that would not hurt us ... we need it.
                      6. 0
                        11 February 2019 23: 40
                        No, I’m talking about a six-day working week for 10 hours of a working day)))) There will not be a jerk, because unlike the South Koreans, we are required to be defensive and science-capable. Therefore, holidays and weekends are essential.
                      7. -4
                        9 February 2019 23: 19
                        It is not for the Russians, alas, who have one of the lowest levels of life expectancy and health, to talk about the poor architecture of the South Koreans lol
                    2. -1
                      7 February 2019 22: 45
                      Quote: UMA-UMA
                      1. Who is building the nuclear power plant of the Russian Federation? Iran on credit? And weaving for information: France took away the nuclear power plant from us, in space China and the United States have long overtaken us.

                      I note that this is not Canada building a nuclear power plant, Canada is simply not capable of this.
                      Quote: UMA-UMA
                      Tell me, is it a bombardier company that produces coal or oil?

                      For one Canadian "bombardier" Russia has twenty "Rosatoms" and similar companies.
                      Canada is currently the seventh largest oil producer.
                      Quote: UMA-UMA
                      4. About working conditions in Korea, you are rightly confused with the north. You basically write frank nonsense.

                      And you, instead of silly phrases "you are right," take and ask how Koreans work.
                      Blacks on plantations lived easier.
                      Quote: UMA-UMA
                      5. You live by the principle of everything around the fools, you can not convince. Autism.

                      Let the moderators deal with this.
                      1. -3
                        8 February 2019 01: 05
                        1. I note that Canada, like without nuclear power plants, has a larger Russian GDP, and the income of a Canadian is incomparable with the income of a citizen of an incomparable Russian economy with the economy of the 20th century.
                        2. Yes, even the 20th. What is oil production in Russia? 6 or 8? By gas? Oh, I forgot! We have a nano-genius president, so our gas and oil are the most high-tech in the world. And so, for information, the bombardier produces more civilian aircraft per year than the Russian Federation for the five-year period. And it doesn’t make me happy, it’s a shame! And it’s so shameful because managers like you are experts at the helm.
                        3. Fly to Korea and see how Koreans live. You can look along the way how they live on dv, yet feel the difference.
                      2. -3
                        8 February 2019 07: 58
                        It was necessary to complain in the UN. Oh no, to the Investigative Committee, he is American mercenaries. There’s nothing more to say to us.
        2. -2
          5 February 2019 23: 06
          Quote: UMA-UMA

          Mask in the country has not Basmanny justice, where the accusation prevails, but justice with equality of arms and the obligatory integrity of the process. That is why the United States and other developed countries are developed.

          Are you sick? wassat
          Your favorite "exclusive country" country has a "precedent" right. And the right of the court to put in jail only on charge without any evidence.
          And when the time comes so-called. adversarial part of the process, a natural circus begins, when a sentence is passed almost "for life", because the accused "there could be a motive". lol
          For orphans and not far ....
          This adversarial process is possible only if there are 2's equal parties in court - prosecution and defense.
          Moreover, in the case of "basmanny justice", the accusing party must first prove the legality of the transfer of the suspect from the status of "detained" to the status of "accused."
          In the country of a "special and exclusive nation", such a method of conducting a trial can be dreamed of.
          1. -1
            6 February 2019 08: 20
            What a mess in your head. And all from native propaganda.
            1. The USA is not an exclusive, just this one of the most developed countries in the world, with one of the highest levels of civil liberties and the standard of living of people.
            2. We have different approaches. You write a statement of various biased sources, mostly propaganda in nature. I operate with generally recognized statistics.
            3. The percentage of acquittals in the United States is tens of times higher than in the Russian Federation, and this indicator worldwide is the main indicator of the fairness of justice. And only in the Russian Federation an acquittal is an indicator of a judge’s lack of professionalism.
            4. And I'm sorry, you wrote something that really is not.
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            2. +1
              6 February 2019 14: 38
              Quote: UMA-UMA
              1. USA is not exclusive

              Enough of the hypocrite ... Already disgusting to listen ... Write more that this ruble is designated as reserve currency ...
              All your American exclusivity is contained in the sheriff's rule ... There are countries where they followed a different path of "exclusivity" and this has nothing to do with the United States. It's so simple - to print money, suggesting that it has a price, and to pay for ideas and goods with it, whipping up the "careless and dissenting" with a simple or nuclear baton ...
              1. -1
                6 February 2019 15: 59
                1. I am not an American, so "your" can not be used.
                2. In the USA, a powerful economy and science have been built with printed money. This is a leader country with which everyone wants to be friends. Dubin waved only your nanogeny.
                1. 0
                  7 February 2019 22: 22
                  USA - the country leader in the WWII and nothing more. Alas, in the economy such things change slowly if there is no big war. But still this situation is changing - external debt is incommensurable with the debts of other countries, the most important indicator. And this is not propaganda. It's just that the Americans are really physically far from their enemies.
            3. 0
              7 February 2019 22: 19
              Is the percentage of acquittals a measure of the fairness of justice? Are you serious? That’s why they still have gangs in the most direct initial sense of the word and the Alcapone sat not for murders, but for tax evasion. Wonderful facts that lay balm on the souls of relatives of victims of criminals))))
              1. -3
                8 February 2019 01: 24
                Hmm ... It's funny. You with such a pathos look denounce the damned America, meanwhile, are absolute heresy.
                1. US debt 21 trillion. GDP 20 trillion Yes, the debt is the largest, but for the 1st economy of the world it is not critical. The United States is a leader in science and technology, has excellent infrastructure, in the world of countries that are able to compete with the states of the unit and the Russian Federation does not apply to them and will never react with such a state regime. The USSR, yes it could and competed, and very successfully - the Russian Federation has a pale shadow.
                2. No, not only the number of acquittals characterizes the effectiveness and fairness of justice, there are a set of criteria (not a single one exists in the Russian Federation), but this is a very important, final one. And did you think that the more people sitting, the more effective? Key criteria: independence laughing (about Russia, right?), equality of parties laughing process adversarial laughing Where is all this in the judicial system of the Russian Federation? Maybe in Kvachkov’s case? Or in thousands (!) Of economic affairs, when, after landing, business owners took him away? Your kindergarten about gangs in America and to comment on laziness, I just note that there is no crime in Russia, yeah.
                1. 0
                  9 February 2019 22: 31
                  Ek bored you))))) the superiority of external debt to the gdp is not critical? Well. if it were a couple of hundred lyamas, then it was still possible to agree on a restructuring case and all that)))) However, this is a whole lard of greens and the situation is getting worse)) You lack dialectic thinking — the transition of quantity to quality. For a long time, they have never been completely uncontested in the issue of leadership in science and technology. Compete with usa? What for? They will destroy themselves. Here it’s even worth praying for the option of their invasion of Venezuela, the debts will grow fabulously))). RF- the pale shadow of the USSR- agrees, but completely out of reach for the Americans.
                  Your nonsense about the criteria for the effectiveness of justice is nothing more))) Yes, the more criminals sitting, the better and much better than when they justify themselves and continue their activities. Biz take away as a result of the verdict everywhere - absolutely nothing. But one reasonable step you took, did not comment on the gang info)))) After all, this truth about the criminal situevina in the United States does not go to your praises about justice with amers
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                  April 27 2019 17: 53
                  "Your kindergarten is about gangs in America and you are too lazy to comment,"
                  I don’t want to get into your polemics with my opponent, I just want to note that over the past half-year I have been on business 4 times in Chicago. So, in general, pleasant impressions, but not about southern Chicago, where even the police come in numbers of at least three cars. And after five in the evening you can’t show up there at all, they’ll just kill you if you aren’t local or white.
      2. +2
        5 February 2019 10: 35
        Quote: UMA-UMA
        Nowhere does private capital, on its own initiative, enter into a complex high-tech business by its own enthusiasm.

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        Your first mistake! It is invested, also AS is invested !!! An example is the same Mask: According to data from 2012, 2/3 of the company belongs to I. Mask. About 10% of the company is owned by Google and Fidelity Ventures. The owners also include Draper Fisher Jurvetson, Founders Fund, Valor Equity Partners, Capricorn and others.
        There was information that the share of external investors has recently increased (in financial terms, it is already billions of dollars! In percentage terms, it is not in the know) ...
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        Quote: UMA-UMA
        For this we need conditions, the state creates conditions.

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        Of course! But a little nuance :: First of all - the State creates the CONDITIONS for effective functioning of Stock Market! The condition - "necessary" - but by no means "sufficient" - because here - not from the state it all depends! For example - both in Japan and in Germany and in Britain (it is there that the largest "stock markets" are located), as well as in the USA - very favorable conditions have been created for the functioning of the stock market ..... But! It is in the USA (mainly on the New York Stock Exchange) that approx. 80% (!!) all transactions (in monetary terms)!
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        Quote: UMA-UMA
        Musk and many others are engaged in science because he has the opportunity to take a long and cheap loan for this (10 years 1-3%).

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        Second mistake !!! It has already been written above that Space-X includes large institutional investors and the amounts that they have invested in Musk's corporation are already estimated at billions of dollars (details of the transactions were not disclosed, but according to financial analysts, somewhere like that!)
        In addition, this whole game with "Space-X" is reminiscent of the creation of a "commercial" structure (with external non-state investments) at NASA. Don't believe me? Then the question is: where did Musk get the designers from? Almost all of them - from NASA - have switched over to "whole departments" (and - along with the developments)! How did he get the engine test bench (formerly owned by NASA)? And almost "for free" !!!
        That's it !!!
        1. +3
          5 February 2019 11: 12
          I have no mistakes.
          1. I would see how in the West they would invest in research and high technology if they had a refinancing rate of not 2%, but almost 9% like ours lol And do not have Western, but Basman justice.
          2. Stock markets are all wonderful, by the way, most of them work on credit money. In principle, all development in the world is based on credit money, incl. and investment. Musk is no exception.
          3. 80% of transactions on the stock exchange ... then I did not understand anything. What are the deals, what is 80%? Explain.
          3. About the Freebie Mask ... It makes no difference. The Russian Technologies are directly financed directly by state money, and only plans for 20 years are built, riveting the equipment of the 20th century. Awesome efficiency, so much the Mask wassat
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          5 February 2019 15: 26
          Quote: venik
          How did he get the engine test bench (formerly owned by NASA)? And almost "for free" !!!
          That's it !!!


          There is also government investment: Space X received a total funding of about $ 396 million, for the development and demonstration of the Falcon 9 launch vehicle and Dragon + ship, 3 billion dollars of flights were contracted, which is actually the basis for commercial financing.
    4. 0
      5 February 2019 11: 42
      Guys will do it, don’t worry, there is everything for this - the most important thing is money.
  2. 0
    5 February 2019 06: 18
    It is clear that the flight demonstrator. But the payload is exclusively internal, and sufficient volume is needed for launching, servicing and removing satellites from orbits. Just increase the size does not work, this is a completely different aircraft and approach.
  3. 0
    5 February 2019 06: 21
    Not take off.
    1. +1
      5 February 2019 10: 30
      The attempt is not torture. Is not it? feel
      1. 0
        5 February 2019 20: 45
        Well, yes. In general, I will not mind if with this project it turns out to plug the Mask in the belt. Time will tell)
        1. +1
          6 February 2019 14: 44
          Quote: ares1988
          Time will tell

          What will time show there? Shown in the news in the "Incidents" section ...
  4. +1
    5 February 2019 06: 24
    The reasons for the lack of implementation of numerous projects are many and lack of funding and a lack of technology, the existing economic structure. And the appearance of the Mask on our land will not lead to anything; there will be no future here for him!
  5. +1
    5 February 2019 07: 24
    The word "Skolkovo" would not have been mentioned in vain! This name "effective managers" is so about ..... soiled that it has become synonymous with "cutting the dough"! In general: we say "Skolkovo" - we think "cut ..."; ... ,, dreaming "about" cutting "- we say" Skolkovo "! How many there were ...." Ajax "," Spirals, "Frigates! ? "There are no others, but those are far away!" And behind them was the Union! Teperich began to steal more, and the money became less! So ..... "Dreams, dreams! Where is your joy? Dreams have passed ... muck remains!"
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    1. 0
      5 February 2019 11: 49
      For such a device, you need it more - a single-stage aerospace aircraft like the Tu 2000.
  7. +1
    5 February 2019 10: 48
    As I understand it, those 40% of young people who dream of dumping from the country began to write - bring down., They are waiting for you with a broom. Here you are not a resort, here is the army
  8. 0
    5 February 2019 12: 28
    The bulk of research has already been carried out, which allows us to move on to a new stage. designing budget development. While Rogozin rules the space - nothing will come of it.
    included in the Cluster of Advanced Production Technologies of the Skolkovo Foundation.
    well, actually, you can’t continue further.
    1. 0
      5 February 2019 18: 42
      Actually, this is a private project - there is not enough state money there, there’s nothing to harness.
      1. 0
        6 February 2019 13: 22
        There is a grant from Skolkovo, quite a good idea - to draw a project, make an aerodynamic model for 10 LAMs, report, and the remaining 40 LAMs are in your pocket. And then "forget" about this project.
  9. 0
    5 February 2019 13: 52
    Skolkovo. Stock market. Naaaaano technology. Microsatellites. Such reusable little things ...... Maybe something in the minds to fix?
  10. 0
    5 February 2019 15: 21
    The new project is being developed by the private JSC ISON, a member of the Skolkovo Foundation's Cluster of Advanced Production Technologies.


    What does the author smoke?
    Lived - has hopes for AOshka with the amount of the authorized capital of 100 000 rubles ...
    https://www.rusprofile.ru/id/11539460
    Registered (re-registered from LLC) 22.08.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX
    I fully admit that the guys are big enthusiasts of space transport, but it’s not serious to be responsible for their developments with a capital of 100000 wooden rupees.
    The financial result is still zero.
    Its predecessor, LLC "ISON" had fixed assets for 630000 rubles and quite remarkable financial statements https://zachestnyibiznes.ru/company/ul/1117746394633_7733767917_OOO-ISON/balance

    The big crank will give loans or finance a joint-stock company with such authorized capital.
    So this is just a kind of self-PR.
    And the project - who saw it? 3D models are not impressive - a couple of days in the simulation program.
  11. 0
    5 February 2019 16: 03
    The new project is being developed by the private JSC ISON, a member of the Skolkovo Foundation's Cluster of Advanced Production Technologies.
    Skolkovo? Already alarming. And in the diagram, as I understand it, Myasishchev's M-17 is shown as a launch platform. Do we have a lot of them?
    1. +1
      5 February 2019 17: 34
      Skolkovo should not be alarming. Its task is the generation of technologies and, in general, it copes with this. Why these technologies are not being introduced, the question is not for Skolkov, but a little for other structures.
      1. 0
        6 February 2019 14: 51
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Skolkovo should not be alarming. Its task is the generation of technologies and, in general, it copes with this. Why these technologies are not being introduced, the question is not for Skolkov, but a little for other structures.

        I will rearrange the words a little ... For clarity ...
        Gazprom should not be alarming. Its task is to generate gas flows, not even making a profit for the country. He successfully copes with this. Why gas in houses explodes, why more than half of Russia's territory is not gasified, why left-wing profit schemes appear - the question is not for Gazprom, but a little for other structures.
        Skolkovo, Roscosmos, Rusnano ... success is visible with a very armed eye ...
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          6 February 2019 15: 33
          And why not explode the gas if users scored on safety when operating gas appliances? There are leakage sensors, in the case of electricity - RCD. What, uncle should follow the technique? Well then, let the state repair the brakes on the car to me. If the idiot left the electric or gas stove turned on and started a fire, who is to blame: power sales, Gazprom or a specific individual?
    2. 0
      5 February 2019 18: 45
      Or Mig 31 - this spaceship is small, only 6 meters long.
  12. 0
    5 February 2019 19: 09
    Ready-made spacecraft, the appearance of which is expected in the next decade

    The timing of the completion of the project and the start of operation of the equipment has not yet been specified. This is probably about the middle and second half of the twenties.

    The project is still in its early stages.

    namely a couple of demo slides.

    It is not known which airplane is to provide flights

    A new attempt is underway to create a reusable aerospace system

    If the project does not encounter unforeseen difficulties or other problems

    Nevertheless, there is no need to speak with confidence on this topic, and any scenario is possible.

    This is a brief retelling of the article in essence.
    PS
    ... I believe, friends, rocket caravans
    Rush us forward from star to star.
    On the dusty paths of distant planets
    Our tracks will remain ...
    1. 0
      6 February 2019 14: 58
      Quote: Klaus
      This is a brief retelling of the article in essence.
      PS
      ... I believe, friends, rocket caravans
      Rush us forward from star to star.
      On the dusty paths of distant planets
      Our tracks will remain ...

      This is a short summary to PS.
      There are no barriers to profit.
      May our ranks expand.
      How to increase them - give us advice.
      And everything else - until stop stars...
  13. 0
    5 February 2019 19: 12
    But quite recently D.A. Medvedev said: "Stop talking about where we will fly in 2030! We need to get busy!"
    1. 0
      6 February 2019 15: 01
      Quote: senima56
      But quite recently D.A. Medvedev said: "Stop talking about where we will fly in 2030! We need to get busy!"

      Stop talking about where we will fly in 2030! We have to think about where we will be after 2024 ... belay
  14. +1
    5 February 2019 21: 31
    An advertising article in order to attract the attention of money to yourself.
  15. 0
    15 March 2019 21: 24
    It looks like advertising a student startup. And some kind of ugly spaceman.
    It is a pity that they scored at MAKS from the NGO Molniya - everything was serious there.
  16. 0
    16 March 2019 16: 06
    From the 90s, there are a lot of plans ... but what have they really done for space?
    In my memory there were three ship projects, this one is the fourth.

    In fact, not so much.

    The spaceport is almost ready.
  17. 0
    April 16 2019 19: 23
    Draw ish ..