Naval robbers against nuclear deterrence

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Very often, when trying to discuss hypothetical military scenarios, one has to face the argument that, say, Russia has a nuclear weapon, and therefore the war with it will be strictly nuclear, therefore no enemy will dare to attack.

Naval robbers against nuclear deterrence




The question of the combat use of nuclear weapons, however, is too serious to judge him at that level. Therefore, it is worthwhile to dwell on this topic in somewhat more detail.

The document explaining the circumstances in which the Russian Federation uses nuclear weapons is the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation.

In military doctrine, in section "The use of the Armed Forces, other troops and agencies, their main tasks in peacetime, during the immediate threat of aggression and in wartime" It reads as follows:

27. The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened.
The decision on the use of nuclear weapons is made by the President of the Russian Federation.


This phrase should be repeated to the full enlightenment of any citizen who believes that nuclear mushrooms will bloom in response to a sunken ship or a downed plane over the aggressor. No use of nuclear weapons against the Russian Federation? Not questioned the very existence of the state? Hence, there will be no use of nuclear weapons from our side.

The only question that remains is: what is “the very existence of the state” threatened? The answer to this is trivial logic - this is when aggression with conventional weapons is either real or potentially fraught with consequences that will lead to the termination of the existence of the Russian Federation. Either to the loss of statehood, or to the physical destruction of the population.

Of course, such a formulation can be interpreted very broadly. For example, a non-nuclear massive strike against the forces of nuclear deterrence quite falls into the list of factors that threaten the very existence of the Russian Federation. A single misses, but gives grounds for readiness number 1. At first glance, the hypothetical assault force of NATO to the Crimea does not threaten the existence of Russia, but if it is not nipped in the bud, different neighbors will have so many temptations about the vast Russian territory that their totality will be sufficiently dangerous for the use of nuclear weapons . This is exactly what Putin had in mind when he mentioned his readiness to use this very nuclear weapon in the frames of the film about the return of Crimea.

Again, no one will launch an ICBM en masse in response to an anti-ship missile that has flown into a small rocket ship. And if then, on the occurrence of which conditions nuclear weapons will be used, is indicated in the Military Doctrine, then the possible ways of its entry into the game are described in special editions.

In 1999, in the Military Thought magazine, in the 3 issue (5-6), an article was published "On the use of nuclear weapons for the de-escalation of hostilities" For the authorship of Major-General V.I. Levshina, Colonel A.V. Nedelina and Col. ME Sosnowski.

The article, of course, reflected (at that time) the opinion of the authors, and this is how they saw the stages of “putting into the game” of nuclear weapons.

It is proposed to highlight the following steps to increase the scale of OTNA use:
... "demonstration" - the application of single demonstrative nuclear strikes on deserted territories (water areas), on secondary enemy military installations with limited military personnel or not served at all;
“Intimidation-demonstration” - delivering single nuclear strikes at transport hubs, engineering structures and other facilities for the territorial localization of the area of ​​military operations and (or) on individual elements of the opposing group of troops (forces) of the enemy, resulting in a violation (decrease in efficiency) of the invasion grouping at the operational (operational-tactical) level and not causing relatively high losses of the enemy forces;
“Intimidation” - launching group strikes against the main grouping of enemy troops (forces) in one operational direction to change the balance of forces in a given direction and (or) eliminate the enemy’s breakthrough into the operational depth of defense;
"Intimidation-retribution" - the application of concentrated blows within one or several adjacent operational areas to groups of troops (forces) of the enemy in the theater of operations with the unfavorable development of a defensive operation. In doing so, the following tasks are accomplished: the elimination of the threat of the defeat of the grouping of its troops; decisive change in the balance of forces in the operational direction (s); the elimination of the breakthrough by the enemy of the defensive line of the operational-strategic association, etc .;
“Retaliation-intimidation” - a massive strike on the grouping of the aggressor's armed forces in the theater of operations for its defeat and a radical change in the military situation in its favor;
“Retaliation” - a massive strike (blows) on the enemy within the entire theater of war (if necessary with the defeat of individual military-economic objects of the aggressor) with the maximum use of available forces and means, coordinated with the strikes of the Strategic Nuclear Forces, if they are used.


It is easy to see that the automatic “the whole world into dust” is not even close. It is difficult to say how literally the doctrinal documents closed to the public “prescribed” these views, however, according to reports from Western intelligence agencies and the specialized military press, the transition from a non-nuclear to a nuclear war would look like this in the Russian leadership’s view.

Two facts are interesting. The first is that the Russian leadership is hiding the “nuclear threshold” - no one really knows at what stage Russia will still use nuclear weapons. It is assumed that this will be done in response to a serious military defeat.

The second fact is that in official documents issued by Western structures involved in the development of military strategies, The concept of nuclear de-escalation, attributed to Russia as officially accepted, is called erroneous and incapable of stopping the advance of Western countries (and in fact the United States) to Russia, as long as a decision on such will be made. At the same time, the Americans believe that they should not be the first to use nuclear weapons, since with their superiority in conventional weapons, it is more advantageous to achieve the defeat of the enemy without the use of nuclear weapons. However, it should be understood that according to American views, in response to nuclear de-escalation, it is necessary to resort to nuclear escalation, to translate the nuclear conflict, and then to conduct it as nuclear. They will not stop.

Everything according to Herman Kahn and his “Thermonuclear War”: “No one should doubt America’s readiness to wage a nuclear war.” It fits well with the mentality of the Americans, about whom it is known that they just don’t know how to dwell in a good way, in war with them they need to be killed in huge quantities and for a long time, and so that they cannot improve their situation, and only then just start to even think about what is happening.

Thus, the following intermediate conclusions can be drawn:

1. There will be no nuclear strike in the hurray-patriotic frenzy - hurray-patriots should breathe out. The criteria for the use of nuclear weapons will be very far from the “righteous anger”.

2. Nuclear weapons will be used when there is no alternative to this except for the self-dissolution of the Russian Federation and the surrender of the surviving population at the mercy of the winner - whatever it is, or as a response to the actions of the enemy, who has already de facto destroyed Russia along with its population ( reciprocal and retaliatory nuclear strikes by the forces of the SNF).

3. From this it follows that in the course of a local military conflict (see the term in “Military Doctrine”) or a local war, nuclear weapons will NOT be used. And with a probability close to 100%, even a defeat in such a war, it does not entail restricting the sovereignty of Rossim on its own territory, in whole or in part, to the use of nuclear weapons also does not.

We are not alone. At the beginning of the 80 of the last century, when the world was very close to a nuclear apocalypse, the Americans who planned the maritime war with the USSR indicated in their documents that it was undesirable to convert a war into a nuclear one, it was necessary to keep it in a non-nuclear conflict. On land, the use of nuclear weapons was allowed as a response to a large-scale Soviet aggression, and already after the Soviet Army and ATS armies broke through to the West Germany through the Fulda corridor. And even in this case, it would not be guaranteed at all, NATO would at least try to do with conventional weapons. A curious but similar point of view was held by the USSR Minister of Defense D. Ustinov. The truth is that a non-nuclear conflict was considered as a temporary phenomenon, after which nuclear weapons would still be used. In the Soviet textbooks on tactics, fire training in the form of a single shot by a nuclear artillery shell was "common ground". But this, too, was not guaranteed.

Researchers at the Chinese naval doctrine Tosi Yoshihara and James Holmes, relying on Chinese sources indicate that China proceeds from the non-use of nuclear weapons first in any case (T.Yoshihara, JR Holmes, Red Star over the Pacific).

In practice, the United States theoretically discusses a preventive nuclear strike on Russia, but “in the academic sense” (so far), on a theoretical level. Admittedly, they have gone quite far in their theories, but this is still the theory.

In fact, it is already safe to say now that nuclear countries have their own “red lines” before the enemy crosses which nuclear weapons will not be used. These “lines” are secret — we could hardly live in peace, if you knew exactly the Americans, when we would use nuclear weapons, and which ones we wouldn’t. Our patience may well have been tried in this case. For the time being, only the “lower boundaries” are clear - there will be no nuclear war due to a single incident, albeit with heavy losses. The rest is still unknown.

We will put ourselves, however, in the place of a country that considers it necessary to punish Russia for this or that with the help of military force. Or achieve something by force.

So, what should such a country not allow when attacking Russia?

First, Russia inflicted large, single-stage losses, capable of creating a military defeat’s sense of the military defeat that is irreparable by conventional weapons, fraught with adhering to the attacker of other countries who believed in impunity.

Secondly, the territorial escalation of the conflict - the conflict over the river bank is one thing, and over a thousand kilometers of the border is another.

Third, we must avoid a massive attack against the Russian strategic nuclear forces - this can cause the effect that the Americans call "launch or lose" when not launching missiles on the enemy will mean their loss, and, as a result, a temporary loss of the ability to contain the enemy rocket still remain.

Fourthly, it is worth avoiding situations where the enemy will have no other option than to go tanks to the capital of the attacker - and this is not only a matter of appropriateness, there is also a need to take into account psychology - for example, a tank raid on St. Petersburg from the Baltic could well cause a counterattack with the capture of this same Baltic, and the failure of such a counterattack with large losses and without solving the problem of cleaning the territory of the Russian Federation from the attacker will already be fraught with thereby. A massive bombing strike on civilians will cause the same reaction.

And here we come to an interesting point. For a country to which Russian tanks can reach by land, the risks of escalation escalation to the use of nuclear weapons are much higher. You can even reluctantly unleash the conflict "all the way" - contrary to the original plans.

But in the case of a maritime conflict, the situation is exactly the opposite - with the right actions of the attacker, the likelihood of the use of nuclear weapons on him is near zero, and for the time being there is an opportunity to get "dry out of the water."

Consider the options.

1. The enemy attacks and drowns the warship of the Russian Federation, stating that his forces were unprovoked attacked and defended. At the current level of Russophobia in the world, most of the planet will believe that Russia attacked first and got what it deserved, and we will not be able to leave such a blow without an answer. Something like this happened with the Georgian attack of South Ossetia. As a result, we are drawn into hostilities under conditions where the attacker will set us up as the aggressor. At the same time, we have no reasons for the use of nuclear weapons - our territory has not been attacked, civilians have not died, there is no threat to the existence of the state, according to our Military Doctrine, the use of nuclear weapons is out of the question, and the whole world believes that we started the war. Thus, the enemy will only be required to conduct combat operations successfully enough to incline Russia to peace on favorable terms for the attacker, and not to do what, as shown above, could lead to a nuclear strike. And no nuclear war.

2. The blockade from the sea - the enemy stops the merchant ships going to the Russian Federation, and those that go under the Russian flag simply searches and releases, which causes serious damage to carriers (the day of the ship’s stay in the port due to the fault of the freighter can cost tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines - in this case, the losses are the same, but no one compensates for them), and vessels under flags of convenience, but belonging to companies affiliated with the Russians, are arrested. This will inevitably cause a catastrophic blow to the economy of the Russian Federation, but we will not have a formal reason to intervene - our courts are not arresting. To solve such a problem is still possible only by force, but again, while there is no room for a nuclear weapon in response. And the opponent can quite reduce it to the item of 1.

3. Raid the territory. The enemy, closely monitoring the actions of the Russian forces, disembarks his military units into the territory of the Russian Federation, at the time of Russia's reaction, they are evacuated. As a result, there is political damage for the Russian Federation — enemy troops are in charge on its territory, but there is no reason to use nuclear weapons. At all. In principle, such things can be easily done in sparsely populated areas of Russia, in the same Chukotka, for example.

4. Suppression of cabotage under the pretext of combating smuggling, drugs and other forms of cross-border crime. For example, the blockade of a port in Chukotka by capturing merchant ships going to it. The goal is to “pull out” Russian forces to the place of conflict, to provoke the use of force, to conduct a series of clashes with an outcome that is favorable to the attacker.

In fact, you can think of hundreds of scenarios of such provocations. Everyone will bring the Russian military losses, economic damage, and politically it will be just a disaster. In this case, no reason to use nuclear weapons will not arise - and it will not apply. At the same time, if on land, you can easily “drag on the tail” Russian tanks directly to your capital, then the sea is not so.

Consider, for example, the 4 script in the Pacific. Suppose the enemy - the United States - hijacks several ships under the pretext of their arrest, they say, the Russians carry drugs to the Arctic (whatever that means, their population will "eat" any, even the most idiotic excuse - as "eaten" by the Skripale poisoning, into reality believes the overwhelming majority of the population of Western countries, these people, in general, are not able to think) Russia sends several DSCNRs and one destroyer to insure (there are almost no ships on the Pacific Fleet that could be sent on such a mission, only four ships of the first rank are on the move) to protect ships from US piracy and not to disrupt the Northern Delivery. The USA, using the extreme small number of Russian forces, find a ship that they will manage to capture faster than help will come to it, do it and leave, taking the ships to their shores, but keeping fighters and DRLO planes in full combat readiness on Alaskan bases the air.

We have no other options left, to wipe ourselves and express indignation in the UN, and in conditions when the world press has beaten "Russian aggression" and "drugs".

And then, at the first opportunity, an airborne raid by a pair of American special forces platoons somewhere in Meynypilgino, with a demonstrative presence of bags of heroin under a bush, with video fixation and quick evacuation back, until the “Dry” from Yelizovo or Anadyr flew to sprinkle snow reds. On the bags of "drugs" do not care, but the fact that on the territory of the Russian troops can be landed, the world will notice, and how.

Such things for us, today's, in wonder. They do not believe in them. Well, how to believe in this? Meanwhile, these operations will ideally fit into the outline of the concept of a “warm war” now invented in the US - not “cold”, as it was with the USSR, when the weapon was mostly silent, and not a full-fledged “hot”, when it’s clear that, wars are not wars. With losses and damage, but on a small, non-hazardous scale.

At the same time, if we restrict ourselves to the actions of the naval forces, then one can always stop the escalation, or at least try. It is easy to stop all the clashes and divert your forces under the “umbrella” of the home air defense, giving the attacked poor Russians the Russians to carry out attacks on the verge of the possible and bear all new and new casualties.

Or consider a more down to earth option - the Japanese seize a pair of Kuril Islands. Will this cause a military response to Russia? Definitely yes. Is this the reason for the nuclear strike on Japan? If you believe the military doctrine, then no.

And in ordinary forces they have an advantage at times.

We, perhaps, in this case will beat them. But without nuclear fantasies.

If someone still sees the fog in front of his eyes, then recall historical facts.

In the 1950 year, nuclear fighter jets, the United States, attacked the Sukhaja ​​Rechka airfield near Vladivostok, while the USSR was also a nuclear power. Not scared.

In the same year, not nuclear China attacked the "UN troops", but actually the troops of the US nuclear power and American allies, and threw them to the south with heavy losses. The Chinese were not afraid, and nuclear war did not happen.

In 1969, nuclear China attacked a nuclear USSR on Damanski Island and at the lake Zhalanoshkol.

During the Cold War, nuclear pilots of the United States and the USSR nuclear fired at each other in Korea, American reconnaissance pilots fired from Soviet interceptors in the Soviet airspace, killing more than a dozen of our pilots, and years later, American pilots were rarely, but lost. forever along with the planes when trying to fly behind the Soviet Tu-16 through the clouds. The survivors talked about bright long flashes somewhere near, in the fog - and after that some people did not return back to the ship.

In 1968, the DPRK seized the American reconnaissance ship, without being ashamed of the fact that the United States has nuclear weapons and the DPRK does not.

In 1970, nuclear Israel shot down Soviet pilots over Egypt.

In 1982, non-nuclear Argentina seized British territory, not being afraid that Britain had nuclear weapons and that she was a member of NATO. This, by the way, is another reason to think about the Kuril Islands. The analogy will be “one to one” if that, minus the Japanese superiority in the theater — overwhelming.

In 1988, Iranian ships were not afraid to attack US Navy destroyers, no American nuclear weapons stopped anyone.

In 2015, a non-nuclear Turkey shot down a combat aircraft of nuclear Russia during a cynically planned provocation and with the hands of its militants made a demonstrative murder of one of the pilots, trying to kill the second one too. Then the marine also died and the helicopter was lost. Nuclear weapons again did not stop anyone.

As they say, clever is enough.

We summarize.

Nuclear weapons work as a deterrent, but in the real world their applicability is significantly limited. Russia has officially designated the situations in which these weapons will be used, from which follow those situations in which they will not be used.

The mere fact of the availability of nuclear weapons in any quantities does not guarantee that the country that has it will not be attacked, and the attacker, as history shows, may not have nuclear weapons at all. Such scenarios of wars and clashes are quite possible and feasible, in which nuclear weapons prove to be inapplicable for political reasons. At the same time, the weakness of general purpose forces quite allows some nuclear and non-nuclear countries to defeat the Russian Federation in such clashes under certain conditions.

The most preferred form of open military confrontation of a non-nuclear country against a nuclear one is a maritime conflict, since this form of conflict allows you to interrupt hostilities at any time and force the enemy to either interrupt them too or act in an extremely unfavorable position. The conflict on land entails much more risks for the attacker, and, as a result, is much less likely.


What methods to deal with this "policy"? Yes, the good old ones: a lot of ships, trained crews, moral readiness to act autonomously before the arrival or arrival of reinforcements, preventing any aggression in the bud, even if it is a toy with hijackings of ships, at least in reality - in the Kuril Islands or anywhere else.

Some things don't even change nuclear weapons.
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  1. -18
    28 January 2019 06: 57
    The author interprets possible events somewhat incorrectly. The Western and pro-Western world do not consider Russia as such an adversary and villain. But the authorities are persons who are, to put it mildly, unpleasant, for them, thieves and murderers (in their view), while having access to nuclear weapons. The most interesting thing is that the dislike of the Russian government among the people of Russia is similar. Sanctions are imposed against them, but the authorities in this case behave predictably, if the sanctions are imposed against us, it means against all Russians, because we are also Russians, and in so doing they do not consider themselves equal with everyone is not a secret, but a people who perfectly understands that power holds it for the second grade, stands in this case for power a wall (at least it seems so) and perceives the whole Western and pro-Western world as enemies.
    The presence of nuclear weapons in Putin and Co. is incredibly annoying for the United States, because the very threshold for its use is unclear and it is impossible to predict behavior. The only way out is a direct threat in the form of an instant blow to the top of the rulers, which, if they die, paradoxically does not sound, will reduce the likelihood of using nuclear weapons. For this, we need a way out of the INF Treaty. The BRDS stationed in the Baltic states and Ukraine is a gun at Putin’s temple or whoever will be there after him.
    1. +27
      28 January 2019 09: 51
      If this were true at least by 1%, then in other historical periods the hostility of the West towards Russia would be lower, but it is not. Western countries stopped hissing in our direction only when they had to attract Russian cannon fodder to solve their problems.
      So it was for centuries.

      What you write to me now, I repeatedly heard and read from all the neocon scum from across the ocean, there is nothing new in this viewpoint for me, but even a thousand times repeated lies do not become true.
      1. +1
        28 January 2019 10: 32
        For centuries, Europe has fought each other, the historical period of hostility is equal to the whole past history - eternal Franco-German hostility, the British consider the whole continent almost subhuman, and simply banal feuds. And Russia quite fit into this story as one of the European countries (which, I recall, almost half of the 19th century was essentially a European hegemon). Ideas about some global West that has been dreaming for thousands of years about the death of Russia are conspiracy theories.
        1. 0
          28 January 2019 11: 19
          Do not attribute to me what I did not write.
          1. +1
            29 January 2019 23: 11
            Quote: Puncher
            Western and pro-Western world do not consider Russia as such an adversary and villain

            ABOUT! Wow! From parallel reality, they also come to our site!
            But they do not read the news in vain.
        2. +3
          28 January 2019 23: 35
          Quote: CTABEP
          Ideas about some global West that has been dreaming for thousands of years about the death of Russia are conspiracy theories.

          It may be nonsense, but the words - "one eighth of the land" or "the largest country in the world" - are not nonsense. The United States, China or the European Union will gladly take over 17 million poorly developed square kilometers.
      2. -13
        28 January 2019 18: 40
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        So it was for centuries.

        It is customary to believe that it has been for centuries.
        I am especially amused by the hatred of the United States, which constantly comes to the aid of poor Russians when they once again "get stuck in fat with their feet." Save from hunger, help restore industry, help with weapons, food, materials, etc., then food again ... But the Russians accept everything, smile and ... constantly look for a catch.
        In 1962, the USA could destroy the USSR without any particular problems, but despite the assurances of propagandists who assured that the USA was sleeping and sees how to destroy the USSR / Russia, it did nothing for this. What could Nikita answer? Nothing. He would not even have known that the war had begun, because Moscow, along with him and his comrades from the Politburo, would have burned down in an atomic fire.
        1. +2
          28 January 2019 23: 38
          Quote: Puncher
          I am especially amused by the hatred of the United States, which constantly comes to the aid of poor Russians when they once again "get stuck in fat with their feet."

          Specify when such a "miracle" happened?
          Quote: Puncher
          Save from hunger, help restore industry, help with weapons, food, materials, etc., then again with food ...

          I especially smiled - "help with weapons." If the United States did not create the Third Reich with its own hands (and money), there would be no need to help with weapons
          1. +2
            29 January 2019 12: 16
            From 1921 to 1923, the action was the action of the ARA committee in the USSR, the Nansen committee, the international red cross, including the American and a number of organizations, as a result of which over 10 million people were saved from starvation.
            1. +1
              29 January 2019 20: 22
              Quote: Korax71
              From 1921 to 1923, the actions of the ARA Committee in the USSR, the Nansen Committee, the International Red Cross, including the American and a number of organizations

              These are the very people who unleashed a world war against the Russian Empire, sponsored the revolution, and subsequently armed the Third Reich and militaristic Japan
        2. 0
          29 January 2019 04: 21
          Quote: Puncher
          I am particularly amused by the hatred of the United States, which constantly comes to the aid of poor Russians

          - You have a fly ...
          “Not on you, but on you.”
          - To mnu?
          - Not on mnu, but on me ...
          - I say, you fly ...

          If we consider the United States as a country that has conquered the world primarily by economic dependence, supported by the threat of military intervention, then "American aid" becomes understandable. The period when America helped the Soviet Union was more than paid for with the blood of the Soviet people. When Hitler crushed all of Europe under him, the GB and the United States immediately felt a tight grip on their throats and decided to protect themselves with the help of the industry that was running at full power inside the country.
          As for the Russians, who find a catch in any American initiative, their confidence is supported by historical facts, the peculiarity of which is that wherever "democratic American aid" appeared, sovereignty and signs of statehood completely disappeared. There is a suspicion that this is the reason for the habit of some to keep their own money (gold) in an American wallet, exchanging it for the Nth number of banknotes ...
        3. +6
          29 January 2019 14: 01
          This is a very crooked look at reality. The United States in fact created Nazi Germany, read the memoirs of the same Hanfshtengl, for example, or the way Roosevelt manipulated the Japanese, choosing a moment for the oil embargo.

          Well, yes, then they threw weapons at those for whom they fouled the world war before that. Regarding the industrialization of the USSR, it was a business first, and pumping the future gladiator second. Before that, they pumped money into the German economy, pumping the second gladiator.

          Or are you talking about Bush's legs? How nice it is to compose one plan of nuclear war every few years, drive your opponent to death and then bring him chicken legs.

          It's all bullshit. Since the 20s, the Americans have consistently destroyed all the centers of power opposing them, having pitted the world colonial empires against a nutcase on steroids - Germany, and the USSR, which "took over" the excess German potential, in the 45th seized world domination, then holding it with napalm, coups, carpet bombing, and other "Agent Orange", from 46th to 91st finished off the last of the "oldies" - the USSR, and went to clean up the clearing, sawing out hundreds of thousands of Arabs (and creating conditions for the death of millions), reshaping the Balkans , nurturing various "Syrian oppositions", etc.
          But here's the sadness, we missed the sharp start of the Chinese and the Russians, as it turned out, did not finish. But they do not lose heart, do not retreat.

          There is no such violence, which this nation would not deserve, there is no such action, which in relation to them could be considered criminal or excessively cruel.
        4. 0
          31 January 2019 13: 57
          Quote: Puncher
          the hatred of the United States, which constantly comes to the aid of poor Russians when they once again "get stuck in fat with their feet," laughs. Save from hunger, help restore industry, help with weapons, food, materials, etc., then food again ... But the Russians accept everything, smile and ... are constantly looking for a catch.

          Eugene, tell whom "The United States came to the rescue, especially helping rebuild industry ??? ". And please do not confuse help with weapons, food, materials (if you meant Land Liz), since it’s really not help but trade, because you had to pay for this help with the gold of the country !!!
    2. +7
      28 January 2019 12: 43
      Western and pro-Western world do not consider Russia as such an adversary and villain

      And where did you come to this conclusion? Russia has always been like a bone in the throat for our Western "partners". And this can be seen if you take the whole history of Russia, the USSR, the Russian Empire!
      1. +12
        28 January 2019 14: 39
        Everything is much simpler. At present, the Russian Federation is the only state capable of “destroying the West” physically. More precisely, inflict losses that will throw the modern "Western Civilization" to the "Central African" level. At the same time, Russia pursues an independent policy, often contrary to the interests of the main players of the “Western world”. Therefore, it is perceived as hostile. And it will be perceived as such even in the case of the construction of “Swedish socialism” or “Miltonfriedman's” wild capitalism on its territory, that is, the factor of the internal structure of the Russian Federation for the “collective West” is tertiary.
        1. +3
          28 January 2019 14: 54
          Everything is true with one amendment - the USSR was not only a geopolitical rival of the West, but also an ideological enemy (see the emblem with the USSR having no borders). In terms of ideology, the Russian Federation completely coincides with the West, which makes it easier for many countries to take a pro-Russian or at least neutral position with respect to the Russian Federation.

          A historical precedent is known - the Germans of East Prussia warmly welcomed the Russian army and the administration of Elizabeth the First after joining the Russian Empire in 1758, due to the elimination of huge taxes from the Prussian King Frederick the Second.
          We can repeat in relation to any other European country - in terms of taxation, essno bully
          1. +1
            28 January 2019 14: 58
            So I am writing - that for them the domestic policy of the Russian Federation is the third, and as for Germany - most of its history it has been divided into a bunch of all kinds of states with their small-town interests. hi
            1. +1
              28 January 2019 17: 05
              You did not appreciate the subtlety of the situation - in 1758 we were passionately fond of the East Prussian subjects of the same German state of the Kingdom of Prussia.
              So now we have every moral right to offer the Germans assistance from us in getting rid of the pro-immigrant policy of the FRG government (this also applies to the French, British, Italians and our other European brothers in Christ) laughing
        2. +1
          28 January 2019 18: 43
          Much easier, no one argues with this!
        3. +1
          29 January 2019 14: 02
          Exactly. And until we self-dissolve, we will not be left behind.
    3. -1
      29 January 2019 09: 12
      Quote: Puncher
      The presence of nuclear weapons in Putin and Co. is incredibly annoying to the United States, because the very threshold of its use is unclear and it is impossible to predict the behavior

      and when nuclear weapons were in the hands of the general secretaries of the USSR, did this not irritate the US leadership?
      or maybe you are still mistaken in your thoughts ..?
    4. 0
      31 March 2019 21: 34
      The puncher masters the grant. Here you need to connect the FSB.
  2. +2
    28 January 2019 07: 19
    Somehow it is hard to believe that even a "limited" use of nuclear weapons will not lead to full-scale actions. I would not like ...
    Yes, and little is also believed in the possibility of landing an amphibious assault on our territory ... At sea, our fleet will certainly not be able to resist the Amerian, but we should have enough fleet and coastal forces to pat them enough to disrupt any assault.
    1. +3
      28 January 2019 08: 39
      Quote: alex-cn
      And in the possibility of amphibious landing on our territory, too, little is believed.

      The author is unbridled fantasies. Partners have much more obvious ways to sharpen the game.

      For example, at the distance of the shot of the City from Sochi, there is such an independent place as Abkhazia. At a distance of a shot of Smerch from Rostov-on-Don - LPR. And when the 58th A or 8th GVA tries to find out respectively which fly bit our friends Khajimba or Pasechnik, it suddenly turns out that the investigation of such incidents, even if they were (in the sense, the shooting from the MLRS was not a showdown of purely local developers ) is the case of the criminal police of Georgia or Ukraine, and the aforementioned border violators must surrender their weapons and proceed with the platoon to the pre-trial detention center.
      1. +3
        28 January 2019 09: 53
        Hahaha

        And these people accuse me of fantasy.

        Remember the mortar mines that fell on the customs point on the border with the former Ukraine? I am familiar with people who have been searching for these unfortunate mortar-gunners (and found).

        Let's still fantasize. laughing
        1. +3
          28 January 2019 10: 11
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          I am familiar with people who cherished the search for these unfortunate mortar bombers (and found them).

          So I'm not saying that Mr. Pasechnik and Mr. Khadjimba will change their political orientation right now. And even more so, I do not say that the named gentlemen control various heavy equipment, which can prove itself in the accountable territories.

          I am simply stating that the American drug police landing on Chukotka looks like a much stranger idea than playing "this is not us" in various prayerful places that the Russian Federation has set up close by. Few people remember this, but not so long ago, partners got such things, more than.
          1. +4
            28 January 2019 11: 22
            The question of risk. To the enemy on land, we get anyway, to the enemy over the sea there.

            Well, this example is just an example)))

            That mortar-maker, by the way, was quite surprised. In general, he seemed to have accidentally fired at the wrong place, and certainly did not know that in the thick of fighting and military chaos, so many people would leave him out of the forest.

            And it turned out as it turned out ...
            1. 0
              28 January 2019 11: 40
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              That mortar man, by the way, was quite surprised.

              You are talking about chance. I'm talking about a major operation. At the same time, not tomorrow or in a week.
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              We will get to the enemy on land one way or another

              You see. You can not get at all to the enemy, which was expected.
              1. +7
                28 January 2019 11: 55
                You are talking about chance. I'm talking about a serious operation.


                Not a damn accident ...

                You see. You can not get at all to the enemy, which was expected.


                This is a personal deformation. Never in life has he even fought with equal forces — only with those who were stronger and better prepared.
                But God is not fraer.

                We have one adversary in the world by and large. And, as the example shows at least the Vietnamese - it can also be defeated.
                1. 0
                  29 January 2019 12: 32
                  Alexander, your work is very worthy, but let's be a little objective. The example of Vietnam shows very well how influential public opinion is on US politics. In terms of the military aspect, despite the fact that the troops of the Viet Cong and Swa during the conflict always owned the strategic initiative, they could not develop it until the Amerz forces were completely withdrawn from the country.
                  1. +1
                    29 January 2019 14: 05
                    They could not - the forces are too unequal.
                    But they held on until the enemy was tired.
                    At the cost of 4 million killed. Where the Ho Chi Minh trail was, everything is still in the craters dropped by the PTB, unexploded bobs are found, nothing has really been restored. By "carpets" alone, 26% of the vegetation was removed from the country's surface. It's just hard for me to imagine this.
                    But they persevered and succeeded.
                    1. 0
                      29 January 2019 14: 17
                      Alexander, the goal of the mattresses was not a physical victory over northern Vietnam. Therefore, there was no transition of DMZ to US troops, well, with the exception of sabotage units. Initially, US actions were aimed at supporting the South Vietnamese regime, but not at all in defeating militarily. They set their goals, the South Vietnamese regime lasted another 2 years after the withdrawal of troops. If the goal of defeating northern Vietnam were set, it would be fulfilled. As an example of the bombing of Hanoi and the mining of seaports of northern Vietnam, the latter very quickly leaned toward the Paris talks.
          2. 0
            7 March 2019 13: 42
            I can’t know the orientation of the Pasechnik, and how it will change (as far as I understand, the people decide little in Donbas), but in Abkhazia the situation is somewhat different. You do not have to worry until the people decide nothing will change there, except for the president.
            1. 0
              7 March 2019 14: 14
              Decides little in the Donbas, but a lot in the Caucasus? As you say.
              1. 0
                7 March 2019 14: 37
                For the whole Caucasus I can’t say, not in the know. For a specific region (Abkhazia) I affirm that no president will be able to go against the will of the people.
                1. +1
                  7 March 2019 15: 35
                  The cunning plan does not require the expression of the will of the people. The tricky plan is to roll up the BM-21 division at the edge of the night under the guise of poachers and crash 720 RS. Malenko. Quietly. It’s about 20 seconds there, just like a cramp in the 9th grade.

                  It’s a little strange to expect that the backstage, which was able to bring the binder and puppets to the whole fraternal state for a couple of times, will not be able to crank out such a relatively modest Skoda.
  3. +8
    28 January 2019 08: 37
    Dry from Anadyr (s)
    Neighing, thanks!
    Mr. Timokhin, when was the last time you saw fighters / bombers / attack aircraft in Coal Mine ?! belay
    1. +2
      28 January 2019 09: 53
      In 1991 like. Or so.

      But to return when exacerbated not for long.
      1. +6
        28 January 2019 09: 59
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        In 1991 like. Or so.

        Do you know what year it is in the yard?
        But to return when exacerbated not for long.

        Probably on your couch there is such a button.
        And also a reconstruction button for the runway and most of the infrastructure.
        1. +4
          28 January 2019 11: 23
          Bombers planted there from time to time, if that. The airport is running, the band is alive.
    2. +9
      28 January 2019 12: 44
      Quote: Rokossovsky
      Mr. Timokhin, when was the last time you saw fighters / bombers / attack aircraft in Coal Mine ?!

      In August 2018. smile Then in Anadyr they saw Tu-160.
      1. +1
        28 January 2019 12: 56
        Quote: Alexey RA
        In August 2018. smile Then in Anadyr they saw Tu-160.

        In December of 16, I saw two Tu-95's there with a refueler in December, so what?
        Alexei, with all due respect, we will not confuse the warm with the soft.
        It’s one thing to place a couple of strategists for a few hours and it’s quite another when we are constantly holding tactical aviation, personnel, ammunition, equipment, etc. at an unprepared airport.
        1. +1
          29 January 2019 14: 06
          Well, for how much in Hamim all of this unfolded, remember. For the same amount approximately in Anadyr can be deployed.
  4. +4
    28 January 2019 08: 44
    The author compares warm to soft. The overwhelming majority of PvP during the Cold War did not go beyond the limits of what can then be rolled back on the diplomatic field, come to the conclusion that "flew in the wrong place", "the pilot was scared", shake hands and agree on "non-repetition." For the next six months.

    Just a lull, starting from the 1970s, when any flights over the USSR became a guaranteed one-way ticket, and there were less serious incidents (the disassemblies in Afghanistan were not voiced by anyone), it was the reason that they had already forgotten about it, and then were surprised that Turkey hit the plane. Yes, hit, before making 100500 statements about the violation of its airspace. And the war did not declare. Actually, these statements are her only complaint.

    many ships, trained crews


    Just lead to a serious batch, which is then unclear how to stop.

    minus the Japanese superiority in the forces of theater - the overwhelming.


    Wo-1 is not. In 2, if you consider a limited war possible, then no one bothers and our limited use of a couple of charges. Justification for this case is perfectly found, samurai threatened the very existence of the Russian Federation.
    1. +1
      28 January 2019 09: 07
      Quote: EvilLion
      The justification for this case will be perfectly found, the samurai threatened the very existence of the Russian Federation.

      There is no peace treaty between the Russian Federation and Japan, so the fact of the war will not violate any agreements causing outrage.
      1. +1
        28 January 2019 09: 28
        Not really. There is a mutual declaration of EMNIP 1956 of the year about the actual failure of the parties to be in a state of war and EMNIP with an option to conclude a peace treaty.
    2. +2
      28 January 2019 09: 57
      What is your thesis now? What htl arrowheads did not lead to a nuclear war? What am I talking about?

      And now they will not.

      Just lead to a serious batch, which is then unclear how to stop.


      This is why suddenly?

      Wo-1 is not. In 2, if you consider a limited war possible, then no one bothers and our limited use of a couple of charges.


      Firstly. our doctrine speaks of something else, and secondly, it is one thing to undermine one warhead in the atmosphere, cutting off the radar and communications, and then using the old old-fashioned method, and quite another is what our inhabitants believe.
      1. +1
        28 January 2019 10: 44
        The post-shooting of the KhV took place outside the framework of any claims of the parties, and often, indeed, out of idiocy, but the declaration that "Our Kuriles" is a declaration of war. And since the war, then I'm sorry. As with dill, which is only beaten on the hands, no one will clatter. War is something that cannot be rolled back, and it is almost impossible to ignore it without turning into the same disgrace as Dill after Crimea was taken from it. If it is possible to take the Kurils, and there is no use from vigorous bombs, then Sakhalin, and Primorye, etc., etc. I have already spoken about the dripping of 500 drops of brandy.

        our doctrine says something else


        The doctrine says only that we will not attack anyone with the use of nuclear weapons, but to arrange howl that without a couple of rocks in the ocean of Russia, an end will come to us no worse than in the country of Dill.

        This is why suddenly?


        From the fact that the mere presence of significant forces can be regarded as a threat. And yes, the USSR had a lot of things. But you yourself write that even the DPRK captured an American ship, and the Iranians gave the Yankees a fight. The presence of large forces in general from local batches does not save. Thinking of their head saves them and avoiding someone’s provoking once again on his own territory.
        1. +3
          28 January 2019 11: 28

          The post-shooting of the KhV took place outside the framework of any claims of the parties, and often, indeed, out of idiocy, but the declaration that "Our Kuriles" is a declaration of war. And since the war, then I'm sorry.


          War Wars War. We recall the same Falkland. Nobody used nuclear weapons. Britons were able to decide without him, and decided.

          The doctrine says only that we will not attack anyone with nuclear weapons,


          I gave you an example of the doctrine. Re-read it again. I admit that if the Yapi abut and continue to fight after a retaliatory strike (non-nuclear), they can first hint, and then show. But this:
          1. Then.
          2. If the US does not fit into the conflict and does not raise rates.

          From the fact that the mere presence of significant forces can be regarded as a threat.


          The very presence of the Russian Federation will always be perceived as a threat, even with a fleet, even without. Until we fall apart and eliminate both nuclear weapons and the ability to return them, we will be crushed.
          1. 0
            28 January 2019 11: 38
            Quote: timokhin-aa
            War Wars War. We recall the same Falkland. Nobody used nuclear weapons. Britons were able to decide without him, and decided.
            The Argentines would wait a couple of months, and optimization in British would have sold their aircraft carrier as planned ... and the Britons would be oh so hard ... Even with the help that the Yankees provided them ...
            1. 0
              28 January 2019 11: 57
              Well, then think about what would be more likely - article or take on the bare-throated args shy away from nuclear bombs.
              1. 0
                28 January 2019 12: 00
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                Well, then think about what would be more likely - article or take on the bare-throated args shy away from nuclear bombs.

                If it were so easy to throw nuclear bombs, then the Angles would do so immediately after a successful attack by Argov with a French-made missile ...
                1. +3
                  28 January 2019 12: 23
                  What it is about. This is politically unacceptable, they will not understand how to saw off a teenager's boorish trick with a saw.
          2. 0
            28 January 2019 12: 07
            The Britons had already given everything back to that moment, India was still in 1947. The value of the islands there is near-zero, and the countries are really far away in order to plunge into nuclear weapons. Russia will not have such an opportunity, the war with Japan should be won, otherwise the consequences will be dire.

            The United States did not sign up for the Kurilles.
          3. 0
            29 January 2019 16: 17
            That's exactly what the Britons decided, and if not, what then? In the event of a hypothetical seizure of the South Kuriles by Japan, we will navryatli be able to "solve" this problem with the help of conventional weapons. The balance of power, as you rightly noted, is not the same. All that remains is to accept .... or nuclear weapons,
        2. -1
          28 January 2019 23: 48
          Quote: EvilLion
          to make a howl that without a pair of rocks in the ocean of Russia, the end will come to us no worse than in the country of Dill.

          However, we really will end without the Kuril Islands. Russia will simply lose the Third World War.
  5. -1
    28 January 2019 09: 04
    why, in general, in our situation, clearly articulate our intentions? Some red lines can only be in a dive with the United States. With the rest you can not only not stand on ceremony, but even NECESSARY to go too far
    1. +2
      28 January 2019 09: 58
      That is the feeling of the Russian Federation and creates, and for good reason.
  6. +1
    28 January 2019 09: 53
    The conclusion can be drawn as follows:
    "Never say in which case you will use the weapon, and in which you will remain silent."
    Yes, unpredictability is also a trump card.
  7. -5
    28 January 2019 09: 59
    Aleksandr Timokhin continues to launder large surface ships, the meaninglessness of which is obvious for the wrecretic of the Russian Navy, it is enough to have three frigates per ocean and several karakurt at sea to solve all peacetime tasks, which Timokhin kind of agreed. Now Alexander had a new idea about a limited war .... the old song of the 70s of the last century has long been criticized as absurd. Alexander showed his complete misunderstanding of geopolitics and I will tell you as a specialist who influenced world politics quite strongly in due time.
    The death of the Titanic was organized with the aim of physically eliminating the European billionaires opposing the creation of the US Federal Reserve. So, since 1912, the US Federal Reserve has been buying the world, and has already bought it long ago, (For example, they captured the Ford company during the lifetime of its founder Henry). Through the strategic investor Vangward, the Rothschilds and their relatives control 95 percent of the world's business, all the government, intelligence services and the media are bought by them, and they also print world money in any amount they need. The taxes of all countries of the world are such that any business is unprofitable and is forced to take out loans or sell shares, and the money for this goes from the Fed through intermediary banks and anonymous strategic investors. In 1991, Russia was captured by the world behind the scenes, which in reality represented itself as representatives and intermediaries from the same miller families. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation belongs to the Americans, and the Russian government carries out all the orders of the IMF (controlled by the same billionaire families = Committee of 300), in addition to this, the Russian Federation pays tribute to the world behind the scenes in the form of $ 6 billion daily. through offshore companies and so-called sovereign wealth funds by means of a budget rule. Putin is still fluttering holding controlling stakes in Gazprom and Rosneft in his hands, but the rest of the Russian economy belongs to the Committee of 300, the total debt of the "Russian" business by the Americans exceeds the gold and foreign exchange reserves several times. In addition, the Russian Federation is controlled through world trade belonging to the world behind the scenes (for example, by order of Rothschild's advisers, you can permanently stop buying gas and oil from the Russian Federation or change prices at your own discretion, because both buyers and sellers of oil (except for Rosneft so far) all belong to the world behind the scenes), the Russian government systematically destroys entire branches of the Soviet legacy to make the country specialized and dependent on world trade. In this situation, the world behind the scenes makes no sense to attack the Russian Federation or Venezuela with military methods, especially knowing the Cold War technologies invented by U Lippmann back in 1947, the manipulation of consciousness and total control of the media. Of course, the world behind the scenes plans to break the Russian Federation into many small beggars of quasi states in order to pump oil for free, but they can wait for this systematically fooling the people through their media. A military means is an extreme means, so if it comes to war, it will start big, not small. Why? A large non-nuclear army delays the transition of a war to a nuclear one, the smaller the non-nuclear army of a state, the later this state will start nuclear strikes ..... but ..... it is very expensive to maintain a large non-nuclear army. Therefore, the military doctrine of the Russian Federation assumes a compact army and navy for a war only with Georgia and other Judas, with a fairly large component of nuclear deterrence. A few Karakurt will be enough for Georgia. So Mr. Timokhin did not launder the concept of a large number of surface ships. DULLES'S PLAN TO DESTROY THE USSR. Allen Dulles has worked for the US CIA since its inception in 1947. Director of the CIA 1953-1961.
    The war will end, everything will settle and settle. And we will give up everything we have: all gold, all material power and fooling and fooling people!

    The human brain, the consciousness of people are capable of change. Having sowed chaos there, we quietly replace their values ​​with false ones and make them believe in these false values. How? We will find our like-minded people, our allies in Russia itself.

    Episode by episode will be played out with a grandiose scale tragedy of the death of the most rebellious people on earth, the final and irreversible fading of their self-consciousness. For example, from art and literature we will gradually erase its social essence; wean artists and writers - we will discourage them from engaging in the depiction and study of those processes that occur in the depths of the masses. Literature, theaters, cinema - everything will depict and glorify the most base human feelings.

    We will do our best to support and raise the so-called artists who will instill and hammer into the human mind the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal - in a word, all immorality. In government, we will create chaos and confusion.

    We will quietly, but actively and constantly promote tyranny of officials, the prosperity of bribe takers and unscrupulousness. Bureaucracy and red tape will be elevated to virtue. Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and will not be needed by anyone, will turn into a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness, betrayal, nationalism and enmity of peoples - first of all, enmity and hatred of the Russian people - we will cultivate all this adroitly and inconspicuously, it will bloom terry color.

    And only a few, very few will guess or even understand what is happening. But we will put such people in a helpless position, turn into a laughingstock, we will find a way to slander them and declare them a scum of society. We will wrest spiritual roots, vulgarize and destroy the foundations of people's morality.

    We will shatter thus, generation after generation. We will take on people from childhood and youth, and we will always make the main bet ON YOUTH - we will decompose, corrupt and corrupt it. We will make cynics, vulgarities and cosmopolitans of it.

    That's how we do it!

    A. Dulles.
    “Reflections on the implementation of the American post-war doctrine against the USSR”, 1945
    1. +5
      28 January 2019 10: 35
      Did you go to the madhouse?
      1. 0
        28 January 2019 11: 30
        This is Vladimir. He has long been on the Internet laughing
        Local legend, "the opposite man". She's not carrying a spoon in her ear yet, but soon.
      2. -3
        28 January 2019 11: 51
        but in fact you have no argument? ostrich position with its head in the sand, backwards upwards? is it better not to see the problem because it is global and unpleasant and obviously shows that I am not a god but only a serf of international corporations? , and who will remind you of the problem, that of course is abnormal ..... of course ..... just remember "a blind man cannot lead a blind man, not both will fall into a pit"
        1. +3
          28 January 2019 11: 58
          Vladimir, the idea of ​​a discussion with you is frankly ridiculous - your logic is the opposite, like "the more troops, the faster they will be defeated."
          I just DO NOT READ your comments if they are long - you earned such a reputation for yourself.
          1. -1
            29 January 2019 00: 22
            I DO NOT READ your comments, if they are long - you have earned such a reputation.

            Similarly.
      3. +1
        29 January 2019 14: 39
        And what is wrong? It is written clumsily, but everything goes like that, alas. hi
    2. +1
      28 January 2019 12: 09
      You were not told that "Iceberg is a Jewish surname" is this anecdote?
    3. BAI
      +1
      28 January 2019 14: 13
      you as a specialist who influenced world politics quite strongly in due time.

      Of those who influenced world politics, in the USSR-Russia, only Gorbachev survived. Hello, Mikhail Sergeyevich!
    4. +1
      29 January 2019 16: 26
      Neighing !! And Iceberg was probably an agent of the CIA.))
  8. -5
    28 January 2019 09: 59
    There is now a nuclear response to such pirate actions, landings, blockades, etc. - Poseidon. The Japanese began to lift their tail and then an unknown megaton nuclear device works at their base. Now try to prove that it’s us ... But all the interested parties understood everything perfectly
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      1. +1
        28 January 2019 11: 31
        That is, the poisoning of Skripale, the chemical attacks of Bashar Assad, the murder of Politkovskaya on the orders of Putin, etc. Western public does not believe, right?
        1. 0
          28 January 2019 11: 53
          Still the western public believes in the romantic adventures of an unconventional pair of tourists under Salisbury spiers.


          Write better about ships and nuclear weapons and do not litter your articles with this garbage. This yellow consumer goods and so on is 90%
          1. -1
            28 January 2019 12: 24
            I communicate with amerikosy and I KNOW that they have in their heads. Do you understand?
            1. +3
              28 January 2019 12: 38
              And I live in the entom itself rotting West. So what?)
              1. +3
                28 January 2019 14: 43
                You can see why you are so undermined.
                Well, do not be sick there))))
            2. +3
              29 January 2019 01: 00
              Of the episodes you have listed, Politkovskaya is not interested in anyone in the West, as far as I know. Killing people inside the country is not an outrage.

              According to Assad, the only question is whether he controls his chaos or does not control, as well as consider household chlorine as chemical weapons or not. Naturally, looking from a distance is difficult, and there is no need to separate Assad from the pro-Assad hat.
              The media context is another matter. For the Western reader, a "chemical attack" is horror-horror, but in fact, a water intake station torn apart with ordinary art, which happens all the time, is a chemical attack and a humanitarian disaster at the same time.

              As for the spiers, forks, you can, if you want, believe in the Putin-Simonyan version of sportsmen-tourists. But demanding such faith from intellectually safe people is somehow even offensive.
              1. 0
                29 January 2019 14: 09
                So do you also think that Skrypaley was poisoned by a nervous agent capable of extinguishing a small town entirely?
                and also consider household chlorine a chemical weapon or not.


                Have you read the OPCW report on the situation with the latest chlorine?
                1. +2
                  29 January 2019 15: 05
                  Quote: timokhin-aa
                  Have you read the OPCW report on the situation with the latest chlorine?

                  You mean that someone sarin mixed? And what does that change? Weren't those Syrians being bombed again?

                  Quote: timokhin-aa
                  So do you also think that Skrypaley was poisoned by a nervous agent capable of extinguishing a small town entirely?

                  I am not a specialist in a particular class of compounds, and you suspect that too. Entirely there they poisoned the city or in parts, the very possibility of poisoning does not raise any questions. Unlike subsequently arranged clowning.
        2. -1
          28 January 2019 12: 12
          Timokhin believes that the American media is making a fool of the Americans, but he does not understand and does not see that our media are strategically controlled and funded by them, laying down the logic and methods of thinking stereotypes beneficial to globalists, While Putin still has tactical influence on news programs, but strategy always wins tactics! but he does not understand this, just as Suslov and Brezhnev did not understand. If every movie in every US news is always good and Russia sucks, then it's hard to find recruits for the army ..... If every series includes Western emotions and logic of thinking and a Western system of values, then the West will rule these people. Lippmann discovered all this in 1921 by writing the book "Public Opinion", but our fools have not read it until now. And if Timokhin undertook to be a journalist, he should at least understand what has already been written in the bookish man who invented the Cold War and the methods with which the United States won it?
          1. +1
            28 January 2019 12: 18
            "What to consider to be a gossip is not better to turn over to yourself" Do not think that Americans are dumber than us physically, they are simply brainwashed more intensively and from childhood, Mr. Timokhin ... and now think about who and how brainwash our children. The Rothschils are patiently waiting on the river bank when those who were brought up in the Soviet school will die out and begin the next stage of the colonization of Russia
            1. 0
              29 January 2019 00: 27
              physically dumber than us

              It is necessary somewhere to write down the wording.
    2. +4
      28 January 2019 11: 59
      The main thing - do not miss taking pills.
      1. +1
        29 January 2019 16: 50
        Yeah, they’re over at Vladimir’s. He gave it out - he personally influenced geopolitics. Previously, he was somehow more modest, only limited to the fleet.
  9. -5
    28 January 2019 11: 21
    The author of the article clearly has permanent residence on Brighton Beach and in every possible way persuades us not to deal a nuclear strike on him in case of US aggression against Russia laughing

    It is from this that the author's incantations for us to wipe ourselves off and never use Russian nuclear weapons every time: "From this it follows that in the course of a local military conflict (see the term in the Military Doctrine) or a local war, nuclear weapons were NOT used Moreover, with a probability close to 100%, even a defeat in such a war, if it does not entail limiting Russia's sovereignty on its own territory, in whole or in part, will not lead to the use of nuclear weapons either. "

    Residents of Brighton Beach can sleep peacefully - the nuclear war at the first stage will be completely local and limited to the territory of NATO countries, plus the territory of countries where the US military bases are located - Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Japan and South Korea, plus territory of NATO partner countries (Sweden, Finland, Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Israel).

    The reason is simple - neither the United States nor the Russian Federation is absolutely not interested in causing damage to their national territories, for this they have limitrophe countries (see above). Another thing is that any of these "whipping boys" out of a sense of self-preservation can crawl aside at the last moment - refuse to comply with the NATO Charter (most likely, it will be France and Turkey), break the partnership with NATO (the entire list of countries with the exception of bordering Ukraine and Moldova). But the rest will be mixed in a planned manner.

    The main military operations in the local nuclear war will take place at the European Military Theater, and other countries will be attacked at the location of American and local military bases in order to be finished off by regional competitors (Iran, China, North Korea, Indonesia, etc. .).

    In order to make it easier for the United States to make the right decision on the localization of nuclear war by the territory of the European theater of operations, it is extremely important for the Russian Federation to carry out an initial deployment of troops of constant readiness (Airborne Forces) through Poland, Ukraine, Hungary, Slovakia, Moldova and Romania to the borders of Germany, the Czech Republic, Austria, and Serbia and Bulgaria. As a result, the United States will have legitimate targets in these countries for striking with its tactical nuclear weapons.

    But in order to remove all sorts of obstacles for the deployment of Russian airborne forces to the borders of Central European countries and the localization of hostilities, Russia should have tactical nuclear weapons in a full range: 152-mm artillery shells, MLRS rockets, Iskander missiles, cruise Kalibr missiles, RS-26 Rubezh ballistic missiles, gliding bombs and aircraft missiles.

    Moreover, the Russian TNW should be used in strict accordance with Soviet instructions - the "square-nest" method for guaranteed suppression of enemy defense in the offensive zone of the Airborne Forces on light armored vehicles such as BMD, BMP, Sprut and Lotos.

    The second stage of the local nuclear war will be decisive in terms of escalation / de-escalation of the conflict - if the Russian troops advance into the territory of the Central European countries, the United States will be forced to use its strategic nuclear forces (otherwise the RA will reach the English Channel) and the war will become global. When the Russian offensive stops on the border of Central Europe, hostilities will end.
    1. +2
      28 January 2019 12: 04
      I quoted you from our own military doctrine. Are you not mastered?

      Well, mutually exclusive paragraphs are not childish. laughing
    2. 0
      29 January 2019 09: 35
      Tactical nuclear weapons are things that were, for example, in the United States. While she was not removed from harm's way, because giving each colonel a nuclear bomb is a direct path to the fact that some post-duster will end up using this bomb followed by a completely unpredictable response. The same USSR simply declared the non-use of nuclear weapons first, and the conflict with them, if anything else could be repaid before one of the parties psihanet. But after the 155 mm tactical nuclear weapon, everything would roll like a snowball.

      And tactical weapons can sell.
  10. +5
    28 January 2019 11: 37
    About nuclear deterrence there was, pomnitsa, a great episode in "Yes, Mr. Minister":
    1. +1
      28 January 2019 12: 07
      Funny was the series
      1. +2
        28 January 2019 12: 17
        Quote: timokhin-aa
        Funny was the series

        Yeah ... especially about the strategy for conducting opinion polls with the desired result. And about the purpose of Britain’s entry into the EU (it looked especially good when Brexit was declared). smile
  11. 0
    28 January 2019 12: 15
    Quote: timokhin-aa
    mutually exclusive paragraphs

    Hde? laughing
    1. -1
      28 January 2019 12: 28
      Well, for example it is
      The reason is simple - neither the United States nor the Russian Federation is absolutely not interested in causing damage to their national territories, for this they have limitrophe countries (see above). Another thing is that any of these "whipping boys" out of a sense of self-preservation can crawl aside at the last moment - refuse to comply with the NATO Charter (most likely, it will be France and Turkey), break the partnership with NATO (the entire list of countries with the exception of bordering Ukraine and Moldova). But the rest will be mixed in a planned manner.


      and it

      In order to make it easier for the United States to make the right decision on the localization of nuclear war by the territory of the European theater of operations for the Russian Federation, it is extremely important to carry out an initial rush of troops of constant readiness (Airborne Forces) through Poland, Ukraine, Hungary, Slovakia, Moldova and Romania to the borders of Germany, the Czech Republic, Austria, Serbia and Bulgaria.


      You decide, you have limitrofy jump out of the hammer, or on them the war goes? Or, in your world, all NATO partners will fall down, but only two of the NATO members will not want to be hammered, and the rest of the war will go?

      This is the juice of the brain of some kind.

      Well, the rest is to the doctors.
  12. 0
    28 January 2019 13: 13
    Alexander, the decision to use nuclear weapons, is decided by the supreme commander. It is not up to you to decide whether to apply or not. For not subordinating the military to the order, there will be severe consequences for them. Article a set of letters.
  13. +3
    28 January 2019 13: 26
    If you do not cling to the little things, then to the phrase "Consider options" - quite a good article for purposes "enlightenment to any citizen who believes that in response to a sunk ship or a downed plane, mushrooms will bloom over the aggressor."
    Logically, after the phrase about the consideration of options, one would expect the author to analyze the reasons for this "blackout" among citizens and how the belief was formed that in response to "the impudent outrage of the accountant Kukushkind" "nuclear mushrooms will bloom".
    But no! The author changes the course by 180 degrees and begins to convince the people of what he was strenuously dissuading in the first part, and performs the second part under the motto "Russia without enemies is not Russia." I am even ready to accept the assumption that the author is not aware of the existence of such a tricky thing as symbolic politics and its tools for the formation of ideas that determine the semantic framework of perception of the surrounding reality.
    It is precisely the result of the use of such a tool as the image of an "insidious enemy", which the author is pedaling hard, is the very "blackout" and the very absence of "enlightenment" among citizens and the formation of the stereotype "where Russia is, there are enemies."
    Therefore, the author can only be given one piece of advice - either to remove something, or to wear something. Or to moderate "enbits" and engage in self-education.
    1. +2
      28 January 2019 14: 51
      It is precisely the result of the use of such a tool as the image of an "insidious enemy", which the author is pedaling hard, is the very "blackout" and the very absence of "enlightenment" among citizens and the formation of the stereotype "where Russia is, there are enemies."


      Well, in fact, in the real world elves who feed on a rainbow and poop butterflies. And everyone wants peace and good. And killed in the name of American exclusivity, Arabs, Serbs, Vietnamese and all who were there before and after, in the number of TENS MILLION PEOPLE, PREFERREDLY CIVIL, are inventions of political technologists who were ordered to create an image of an enemy from cattle.

      Liberals are such liberals. His children would be handed over to the organs, if the Divine would demand, yes?
      But do not demand this from others, please.
      1. +1
        28 January 2019 15: 01
        Don't juggle. Of the more than four thousand years of history we know, only about three hundred have been completely peaceful. The rest of the time, in one place or another on Earth, someone was at war. And war as a way of solving international problems, bringing with it massive destruction and death of people, was not invented in the United States. The same Thirty Years' War was a major demographic catastrophe for Central Europe, comparable to the plague epidemic ("Black Death") in the middle of the XNUMXth century. But this is not a reason to see everyone as enemies.
        Therefore, leave your appeal for meetings, start on the merits.
        1. +1
          29 January 2019 14: 22
          Essentially.

          There is Vasya, who killed a man in a fight.
          There is Peter, who shot a business rival.
          There is Vova, who was encircled in the war and he worked on a residential building with a machine gun. Since then, showing excessive cruelty.

          And there is Andrei Romanovich Chikatilo. Periodically, he stands over the body of the rugged victim, and you know what he feels at this moment?

          Moral superriority. He is exceptional once, God chosen. Not like others.

          Somehow, if essentially. These people deserve hate. They, even simple Joe from the streets, know perfectly well what they have done, but they do not absolutely repent of it, and firmly believe that if necessary, they can be repeated. How much you want.
          1. +1
            29 January 2019 14: 42
            I agree. I do not agree with one. And is this all about war as a way to solve international problems?
  14. -2
    28 January 2019 13: 42
    Quote: timokhin-aa
    Limitrophs jump out under the hammer, or will the war go on them? Or will your all NATO partners roll away your world, and only two of the NATO members will not be under the hammer, and the rest will go to war?

    Is your native language Russian? laughing

    I wrote in black and white - first the Russian tactical nuclear forces, then the Russian Airborne Forces, and then the American tactical nuclear weapons as a cherry on the cake will go through the full program, regardless of the desires of these limitrophs.

    With the same Makar (black and white), I wrote about two NATO members who are guaranteed to slope (the French according to the tradition of 1939 of the year, and the Turks in anticipation of a new Ottoman empire in the Middle East). Yes - I forgot to mention Britain (its nuclear weapons were handed over to the United States), as well as Belarus (part of the Union State together with the Russian Federation) and Switzerland (neutral state).

    And what about the other members and partners of NATO you understood absolutely correctly - they are just goals for both the Russian Federation and the United States during the local nuclear conflict within the framework of the European theater of war (excluding the Russian Federation, Belarus, Britain, France, Turkey and Switzerland).

    At the same time, the frontier border lines at the first stage will be hit by the entire range of nuclear weapons from both the Russian and American sides, and the rest of the European countries - only by Russian medium-range missiles at the location of headquarters, airfields, military bases, communications centers, air defense, ports and other key military infrastructure facilities.
  15. +2
    28 January 2019 13: 48
    Nuclear weapons are the final argument, not a deterrent. Russia cannot "restrain" anyone because of its weakness. The "policy of containing Russia" aims at destroying Russia as a factor of economic and military power. Of course, the US administration seeks to achieve this goal without the use of nuclear weapons. The state does not exist without interests, without foreign policy and without military doctrine. The military doctrine of a nuclear state must comprehensively answer the questions posed by the author, otherwise it does not exist.
  16. BAI
    +1
    28 January 2019 13: 58
    At the beginning of the 80s of the last century, when the world was very close to the nuclear apocalypse, the Americans, who planned the course of the naval war with the USSR, indicated in their documents that transferring the war to nuclear was undesirable, it was necessary to keep within the framework of a non-nuclear conflict.

    Link failed. Then there were huge stockpiles of nuclear weapons and the repeated destruction of the enemy was guaranteed at any outcome. Now nuclear weapons stockpiles are smaller, and missile defense is more efficient. And (as American analysts point out), US civilian politicians are growing more and more mature and the illusion is strengthening that a nuclear war can be started and won without suffering significant damage. Therefore, the risk of nuclear war is now higher than in the early 80's.
    1. +1
      28 January 2019 14: 52
      Higher above, but we need to look at the situation from our perspective.
  17. +2
    28 January 2019 14: 29
    The problem is different, as I see it)
    The author is trying to convey an absolutely simple idea - we in the east need a normal defense, sufficient so that no one can poke around. All.
    But carried away by examples (justifiably, otherwise they’ll peck without examples), he wrote a fairly large text. Readers began to delve into the vicissitudes of the text, examples, and the main message eluded most of the people.
    But no one is upset when they rearm aviation beyond the western borders on the Su-35? But why do they need us - are there missiles with nuclear warheads ?! Why do we need tanks in the Caucasus? Here it is. Borders must be kept locked! Only. But in the west, our mouse doesn’t slip, and in the east there are bare rocks. About that and speech, nothing more.
    Is anyone against border security from any kind of threat ?! Tell me why.
  18. -3
    28 January 2019 14: 53
    To use nuclear weapons when attacking a territory is one thing. But apply specials. The warhead vs fleet is different. Given the global superiority of the US Navy, in the case of the implementation of the blockade scenarios or the destruction of our warships, the use of tactical nuclear weapons in the open sea / ocean is justified.
    1. 0
      29 January 2019 14: 24
      This will depend on a host of factors, will not be "automatic", and may cause a retaliatory strike against our territory, possibly limited.

      In any case, they will first try to fix it without it.
      1. 0
        29 January 2019 14: 40
        For hitting the territory, you can get your own. Also limited. It's even easier for us, they have a lot of bases on the territory of third countries, and "Great powers do not sacrifice themselves for the sake of their allies" (Henry Kissinger)
  19. BAI
    0
    28 January 2019 17: 32
    In the list of all military conflicts, the author mentioned a lot of things, but somehow did not remember Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan and Chechnya. The troops of the USSR (RF) were actively involved and nuclear weapons were in service.
  20. +1
    28 January 2019 17: 59
    Thanks for the question raised in the article.
    I propose to consider the historical parallels using the example of World War II. Both main warring parties had large quantities of weapons of mass destruction, but I am not aware of its massive use (Hiroshima and Nagasaki below). Even when the Germans were near Moscow and we stormed Berlin and the fate of the countries was actually being decided, the orders to use weapons of mass destruction were not issued. But Hitler had nothing to lose at all. Yes, and the decisiveness of the leaders and the sacrifice of the peoples was much more than today. Why didn't they use it? Was there no expediency or were you afraid of a response? Why do you think that today's "arbiters of destinies" do not flinch, because the destructiveness is much greater and the size of the "balls" is much smaller? When the Americans used weapons of mass destruction against Japan, they still did not fully imagine what it was (in WWI, weapons of mass destruction were also widely used, and then they comprehended, they were horrified and no more).
    Further, well, the irreparable happened and we lost territory. Why should the right to partisan resistance in the occupied territories be denied? Why for our hypothetical defeat should our, not even born descendants, pay the price? And if, in the Second World War, there were nuclear weapons and they would have been used in June 41, then there would not have been May 45, and Gagarin and even you and me. Yes, at the moment of defeat, there was not enough strength and means, but why not try to win back your own, even in a year or five - the Mongol-Tatar yoke was ground and nothing. Maybe nuclear weapons were already just scared and its real use at the current level of civilization development is not possible, because there is no one and there are no goals that could be achieved with the help of "the whole world in dust"?
    1. +2
      28 January 2019 18: 58
      In 41 years of the USSR and in 45 Germany could not apply WMD.
      Because its use would only aggravate the situation.
      Compare the Luftwaffe and the Red Army Air Force in 41. The Germans could massively throw Moscow and Leningrad. And we in response to piece sorties.
      And about Germany in 44-45 it is better not to remember at all. Allies could deliver thousands of tons of explosives to any point of Germany limited only by the capacity of chemical plants. And what is the answer? Miserable tens of tons?
      1. 0
        29 January 2019 09: 36
        Only a month after the start of the war, the Germans were able to raid Moscow.
    2. 0
      29 January 2019 14: 42
      It would be in Germany (NW), they would apply it to us without question, if we would have it, we will use it. If both were there, there would be no war.
      Chemical weapons are weak, there are measures of protection against them. Delivering it deep into the country is problematic, but in the military it acts weakly, more in population.
  21. 0
    28 January 2019 20: 32
    author!!!
    Do you know that Japan has 43 active nuclear reactors?
    A population density of 334 people per square km versus 9 here.
    Do you think Russia needs to use nuclear weapons to cause unacceptable damage to Japan?

    And the whole story, I'm not talking about common sense, says that as soon as the war begins, all the treaties, doctrines and obligations go to the furnace.
    Therefore, I am 100% sure that approach the AUG to any base of our fleet and fire at it, it will instantly receive an NBC in response, and then let the lawyers understand the intricacies of the differences between the SNF and the TNW.

    Well, planes and ships on campaigns yes - they can destroy and yes no nuclear weapons follow up. Only from this will not save 100500 nuclear-powered cruisers at the Pacific Fleet.
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    1. 0
      28 January 2019 21: 22
      Well, he did not mean a landing, but a sabotage raid, such as they got out of a submarine, burned a couple of sheds and left.
      Just do not understand that this game can be played together by .....
      1. 0
        29 January 2019 14: 25
        You can, when you have something to play.
  23. 0
    28 January 2019 21: 15
    "An eye for an eye.
    Tooth for tooth "
    Of course you should think.
    However, knowledge of such a side of the Russian mentality as
    "Or chest in crosses
    Or head in the bushes "is real
    cools down.
    And in Syria they showed both fortitude and an intellectual level.
    Break through.
  24. -1
    28 January 2019 21: 36
    Raid on the territory. The enemy, carefully monitoring the actions of the Russian forces, lands its military units on the territory of the Russian Federation, at the time of the Russian reaction, evacuates them. As a result, there is political damage to the Russian Federation - enemy troops are in charge of its territory, but there is no reason to use nuclear weapons. Generally. Such things, in principle, can easily be done in sparsely populated areas of Russia, in the same Chukotka, for example.

    It sounds like a joke about the elusive Cowboy Joe.
    But seriously, they will land only where there is something significant. And this is already fraught with the consequences of the application. A hypothetical invasion of the Baltic regions, this is already a war with the use of AO. And, on a large scale, this is also a trifle. To win such a war, it is necessary to destroy all vital objects. The rest, described by you, controversial incidents can be settled by diplomatic means or by adequate military actions, since now there are suitable weapons for this. Well, somehow: "Dagger", "Vanguard", "Petrel with conventional charges. And not necessarily on their territory, and not necessarily at the same instant. The vulnerability of American military bases is obvious and not for advanced weapons.
    1. 0
      29 January 2019 14: 26
      But seriously, they will only land where there is something significant.


      Just no because

      And this is already fraught with the consequences of the application.


      But without a loss, a picture for the press to get and crush the reputation of Russians in the world, as a serious force - why not?
      1. 0
        29 January 2019 19: 25
        On the contrary, they worry there. Here is a review released, give advice.
  25. +5
    28 January 2019 22: 11
    The author has the peculiarity - putting forward very correct statements, he sometimes confirms such proofs of reasoning that they don’t mourn lol
    it must be understood that, according to American views, in response to nuclear de-escalation, it is necessary to resort to nuclear escalation, to translate the conflict into a nuclear

    That is, according to the above stated by the author himself, the application by Russia of a nuclear strike by Russia was by no means a translation of the conflict into a nuclear one. But if the West responds in a similar way to the first nuclear strike of Russia, this means that the West has converted the conflict into a nuclear one.
    I applaud frantically !!! laughing The author was not an hour as a political officer?

    The author is absolutely correct, in my opinion, shows that the threshold for using nuclear weapons is high enough and will not be applied for each conflict. But there is one big doctrine of doctrines, but the decision to use nuclear weapons will be made by one person who is known for his rather touchy character. And who knows who and how much he will be offended ....
    There is not the slightest doubt that the West absolutely does not make sense to begin ground military operations against the territory of Russia - this is obvious.
    and the author is right that possible actions should be expected soon from the sea.
    But at the same time, within the framework of the blockade, it may be easier for the enemy not only to block Russia's access to the ocean, but also to exert force pressure or influence on the possible, I will not tell the allies, but at least Russia's partners.
    For example, Venezuela.
    And there is nothing to argue with.
    What the author does not take into account is that at the moment the United States does not have the opportunity to respond to Russia with precise, precisely dosed nuclear attacks, as it actually does not have tactical nuclear weapons for this purpose on suitable carriers.
    All US tactical weapons are several hundred free-fall bombs. They can strike at the "hordes of Asian savages" and communications advancing to the West, and even then it is not easy because of problems with the carriers, but it is impossible to deliver a well-defined targeted strike.
    For this, the Tomahawks could be used, but Obama destroyed all the Tomahawks in nuclear execution as part of self-disarmament — he believed that others would follow his example.
    Ballistic missile submarines are now unsuitable for this, they have charges of 100 and 200 kt, which is too much.
    Therefore, within the framework of the nuclear rearmament plan adopted last year, regulated charges will be created on submarine missiles, in the second, the creation of a new cruise nuclear tactical missile with a range of about 5000 km (Tomahawk had an 2500 range) and full rearmament BR and submarines.
    The flywheel of the arms race was spun up with daggers and other Poseidons, and whether it will be possible to stop it is a big question request
    And with this the author generally ridiculed smile
    their population will "eat" any, even the most idiotic excuse - how they "ate" the Skripals poisoning, the reality of which the overwhelming majority of the population of Western countries believes in, these people, basically, are not able to think

    yeah. the stupid Zusuls in the west did not believe that "Petrov and Bashirov" were not any special services employees, but simply spiers drove to Salisbury. You see, they don't know how to think. And what is there to think? Putin personally said that they were not special services, what questions could there be after that? Or are they so stupid that they didn't even believe Putin? lol
    1. 0
      29 January 2019 00: 44
      Quote: Avior
      For this, the Tomahawks could be used, but Obama destroyed all the Tomahawks in nuclear execution as part of self-disarmament


      AGM-86B still remained.
      1. 0
        29 January 2019 01: 17
        The Americans consider it important to have such capabilities in the fleet
    2. +1
      29 January 2019 14: 31
      Therefore, within the framework of the nuclear rearmament plan adopted last year, regulated charges will be created on submarine missiles, in the second, the creation of a new cruise nuclear tactical missile with a range of about 5000 km (Tomahawk had an 2500 range) and full rearmament BR and submarines.


      Well, you yourself and answered everything.

      the stupid Zusuls in the west did not believe that "Petrov and Bashirov" were not any special services employees, but simply spiers drove to Salisbury.


      Well, of course, in reality, the evil Putin sent two assholes to England with a bottle of a nervous agent who, in theory, could cut half of Salisbury, with which they poisoned not three people, one of whom came to his senses in a few days.



      Especially delivers that A-234 does not work for the ropes, ribbons and zaborchkami. Before them - yes, and behind them you can already be bored in a helmet, there is no danger.
      laughing
      1. -3
        29 January 2019 20: 19
        Smart people told you here - do not meddle in a topic about which you do not know anything other than fodder from Channel 1
      2. -2
        29 January 2019 22: 37
        in reality, the evil Putin sent two morons to England

        Putin or not Putin sent them, I do not know, but the fact that they are not from the special services can only be believed by a very narrow-minded person. Putin, it seems, did not believe it either - their boss suddenly died, and they disappeared after a television fiasco.
        Well, you yourself and answered everything.

        what is "everything" for?
    3. 0
      29 January 2019 17: 05
      Sergey, please answer just one question on the Skripaly, which baffles all adepts of the Western world like - WHY?
      1. +1
        29 January 2019 19: 19
        Quote: Rakovor
        which baffles all the followers of the Western world like - WHY?

        Where did you get that confusion?

        Why Skripal? He started talking about really important things. That is about money laundering.

        Why so hard? More challenges - more bonus.
        1. 0
          29 January 2019 19: 43
          For people like you, there is only one answer to what you do not understand - cut dough or money laundering. And about the complexity in general they killed - do you really think everyone is dumber than yourself? Oh well.)))
        2. 0
          29 January 2019 20: 14
          Why so hard?



          Not so difficult. A good way when you need time 100% to leave the country.


          The second aspect is the element of ritualism. Betrayal of caste .. that's all
          1. +1
            29 January 2019 22: 42
            Quote: Town Hall
            The second aspect is the element of ritualism. Betrayal of caste .. that's all

            I don’t think anyone is romantic there. But writing award-winning - the harder the better.

            Quote: Rakovor
            do you really think everyone is dumber than yourself?

            No, why? People do what it is easier to get dibs for, and much more than they pay me, unfortunately.
            Quote: Rakovor
            Well, well

            Essentially have something to say?
            1. 0
              29 January 2019 22: 58
              I don’t think anyone is romantic there. But writing award-winning - the harder the better
              .



              In fact, poking from a bottle onto a door handle is much easier and safer than waving a piece of armature or carrying pistols behind you and looking for personal contact with the object. And it gives a lag of a few days between the fact and the beginning of the boom with the closure of stations and airports.


              Not romance. Rather, indicative of edification. Death is not the easiest. Remember the agony of the previous apostate. And with a successful combination of circumstances and not so strong degradation of personnel, it would not be so easy to find the cause of death in both cases.
              1. +1
                29 January 2019 23: 28
                Quote: Town Hall
                In fact, poking from a bottle onto a door handle is much easier and safer than waving a piece of armature or carrying pistols behind you and looking for personal contact with the object.

                Normal people do not like cunning plans. Especially when it comes to murder. The simpler the better. Poison is always an extra risk.

                Quote: Town Hall
                Rather indicative of edification.

                I do not believe in romantics in the civil service.
                1. 0
                  29 January 2019 23: 40
                  The simpler the better



                  Two epic files are proof of this)
      2. 0
        29 January 2019 23: 00
        He does not baffle anyone.
        As you know, no one personally reported to me, there was no trial and no one voiced the official version of the prosecution. Therefore, I can only assume for which reason they decided to do this — from the banal elimination of the traitor — not out of a sense of revenge, but so that there wouldn’t be anyone else, to the well-known fact that he began to cooperate quite actively with the special services in Europe.
        What he knew, and why they were frightened of this, and why they released him before that — as you know, I also don’t know. I admit that he began to tell something that did not know about his knowledge, releasing him to the West.
        But the fact that "Petrov-Boshirov" are employees of the special services is obvious, the answer to this question is just a test for idiocy, to be honest ..
  26. +1
    29 January 2019 00: 52
    merchant ships going to the Russian Federation, and those that go under the Russian flag simply scour and release,


    Better to see once than hear a hundred times.




    Seals aboard the cruiser Monterey with the flag of the Volgo-Neft 147 tanker arrested in the Persian Gulf in February 2000.
  27. 0
    29 January 2019 01: 27
    When I read such things, I think it is a sinful thing - or maybe give up nafig? Here are all the former CIS. Give up and that's it. Times are different, there will be no concentration camps, you can gnaw at the "indigenous" with cries of "Is this because I'm a Slav?" For your rights, indulge in lawlessness, sit on welfare and do nothing. And if China is also persuaded to surrender, then in NATO all the generals will shoot to hell, they will have nothing more to do in this life =))) Jokes, but the ball is really in some hellish dead end ... And if you look globally, there is no point in this fuss. It would be necessary to move into space, but only enthusiasts like Mask look there. It's a pity. If we, at least within the framework of today's confrontation, launched a race for the first man on Mars, it could have turned out much more useful for humanity. And so ... Let's kill the ball to hell and not a penny.
    1. +1
      29 January 2019 14: 33
      Times are different, there will be no concentration camps, you can gnaw at the "indigenous" with cries of "Is this because I'm a Slav?" For your rights, indulge in lawlessness, sit on welfare and do nothing.


      In the final, you will be required to take the family to the factory for organ harvesting. At your expense. There is no such option - surrender.
      1. 0
        29 January 2019 19: 32
        Well, you are again for yours. You are partly right, but time has really changed. No one will be scattered with resources.
      2. 0
        30 January 2019 18: 51
        And what they can’t eat Polish entrails? The Poles have surrendered for thirty years. You gourmets.
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  29. 0
    7 March 2019 13: 45
    What about Tactical Nuclear Weapons? Forgot about him?
  30. 0
    31 March 2019 21: 27
    In the case of Japan, nuclear explosions over the Japanese islands will work. Several explosions at an altitude of 40-80km, with the proposal to the Japanese to pay compensation or explosions will be lower. With such launches, missiles cannot be intercepted - because they will fly along a non-standard trajectory, there will be few casualties, and they are familiar with nuclear fallout 1. familiar, 2. earned.
    For maritime purposes, granite can be used with the same nuclear warhead - in the sea and high in the air it is easily used.