Submarines type "Stalin". The best Soviet submarines of the Great Patriotic

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Specialists consider submarines of type “C”, they are “Medium”, they are also “Stalinets” (the common name for the boats of the built series) - the best Soviet submarines of the Great Patriotic War. For the Navy of the Soviet Union, 41 such boats of two series were built - IX, IX bis. The construction of submarines was carried out from 1936 to 1948. The basis for all boats in the series was a project that was developed by order of the Soviet side by the German-Dutch design bureau IVS. By the beginning of the war 17 submarines of this type were put into operation, another 17 were included fleet already during the war years, and another 7, afloat by June 22, 1941, entered service after the end of World War II.

In 1932, a group of Soviet submariners arrived in The Hague, their goal was to visit the design bureau IVS. This design bureau was located in Holland, but belonged to the well-known German machine-building concern “Deshimag” and was almost fully staffed with highly skilled German specialists who had extensive experience in designing and building submarines during the First World War. The main purpose of the creation of this company was to preserve valuable cadres for Germany at that time when it was forbidden for the country to create its own submarine forces under the terms of the Versailles Treaty. By the time the Soviet delegation visited the enterprise, the design bureau had already managed to declare itself successful submarine projects for Finland, Japan and Spain. The boat project for Spain "E1" interested the Soviet side, and tests carried out with the presence of the Soviet delegation in Cartagena confirmed the characteristics of the boat and made a good impression.



In April, 1933 was signed an agreement on the design of a new submarine for the USSR on the basis of the Spanish E1, but under Soviet armament and mechanisms. The development received the designation "Е2" and was conducted in Bremen with the participation of several Soviet specialists. In January, 1934, the draft of the new boat was presented to the leadership of the People's Commissariat of Heavy Industry and the command of the Soviet Navy. The technical design of the future submarine was approved and adopted for laying the ground for the Soviet fleet in a large series. The project was given number IX and the letter “H” (German), later replaced by “C” (the average, which was gradually transformed into Stalinets, according to the accepted fashion, to call military equipment samples in honor of the leaders of the country and the party). Working drawings of the boat, which were endorsed by Deshimag employees, were completed at the beginning of 1935.


C-1 on sea trials. The nose gun is not installed, but its fencing before cutting is clearly visible


The construction of the first three boats of the IX series was carried out at the Baltic Shipyard, these boats were equipped with imported equipment and mechanisms. During the construction and operation of the first two boats, shortcomings were identified: a shortage of 0,5 nodes of the design surface speed, periscope vibration at full speed, frequent tearing of diesel engine pistons and other remarks. It also became obvious that it was impossible to build a large series of ships based on the installation of foreign equipment, since it was impossible to guarantee its timely delivery. So, on the C-3 IX series submarine, diesel engines of the German company MAN and other technical equipment were received with a delay of almost two years. In this regard, a clear and absolutely right decision was made to rework the project of the IX series submarine, eliminating the identified shortcomings and replacing the foreign equipment with the Soviet one.

That is how the project of the IX-bis series was born. It was she who became the most popular, 38 ships were completed, the construction and entry into the fleet which was delayed for many years due to the outbreak of war. The greatest changes in the project have undergone a diesel power plant. Especially for the boat under the direction of N. M. Urvantsev, a new four-stroke eight-cylinder irreversible diesel engine 1D was developed at the Kolomna Plant, the diesel power remained the same 2000 hp (at 470 revolutions per minute), the Esok speed characteristics remained unchanged. At the same time, the installation of new engines required an increase in the diameter of the exhaust pipes from 360 to 420 mm and reworking of the oil, water, air, and fuel systems. In addition to this change, the construction of the logging was also affected: the shields, which covered the 100-mm gun, interfered with the work of artillery crews, so it was decided to abandon them. At the same time on three boats of the IX series the fence was also dismantled. The carried out changes of the project were successful, as they allowed to keep the main tactical and technical characteristics of the boat, having solved a number of important problems.

In terms of architecture, the submarines of the IX and IX-bis series were one-and-a-half submarines of mixed design, in which the robust hull was riveted and the lightweight - welded. In the process of mass production of boats, the volume of welded structures increased. Starting with the C-21 boat, the manufacture of a solid ship hull was also carried out using this technology. The design of the durable hull of the boat is distinguished by a high level of manufacturability, primarily due to the rejection of the separation of joints and grooves and work to simplify the shape of the conical and cylindrical sections. The strong wheelhouse of the boat had an oval shape, due to which its width and water resistance decreased when moving underwater. A permeable (that is, filled with seawater) superstructure rose above the durable hull of the boat.



The boat was divided into seven compartments, three of which were shelter compartments, they were separated by special spherical watertight bulkheads, which were designed for pressure in 10 atmospheres. A similar layout of the hull in the Soviet fleet was used for the first time. From the bow to the stern of the boat, the compartments were distributed as follows: first shelter compartment: torpedo, living quarters for privates; second compartment: battery, 62 elements of the bow group of batteries, the living quarters of officers and the cabin of the boat commander; the third shelter compartment: the central post, above the compartment was the conning tower, as well as the fence of the withdrawable devices; fourth compartment: battery, 62 elements of the aft group of batteries, living quarters for foremen; fifth compartment: diesel; sixth compartment: electromotor; Seventh asylum compartment: torpedo, living quarters for rank and file.

According to the staff, the C-type submarine crew consisted of 45 people: 8 officers, 16 foremen and 21 private. Later in the war years on some submarines, the crew size increased by another 1-2 man. This was due to the need for additional operators of acoustic and radio equipment.

The power plant of diesel-electric submarines of the Stalinets type consisted of two diesel engines of the surface course of the type 1D produced by the Kolomna plant, which developed the power of the 2000 hp. each and two electric motors of type PG-72 / 35 with power 550 hp at 275 rpm. In addition, there was an 124 battery cell on board, divided into two groups. On the IX series boats there were German diesel engines MAN M6V 49 / 48 of the same capacity and rechargeable batteries from 124 elements like 38-МАК-760, which were produced by the German company AFA.



The boats had quite powerful torpedo-gun armament. Each submarine had six 533-mm torpedo tubes (four bow and two fodder), the stock of torpedoes was 12, with all six spare torpedoes in the nose torpedo compartment. The artillery armament of the boats was quite powerful and consisted of X-NUMX-mm B-100PL guns, located on the deck in front of the retractable fence and 24-mm semi-automatic 45-K gun, located on the deckhouse, and there were two 21-mm bullets . During the war years, on some boats, instead of the 7,62-mm cannon, an 45-mm large-caliber anti-aircraft gun was mounted.

Compared with the "Pike" boat type "Stalin" was a qualitative leap forward. They fully answered the task, which was set by the Red Army Navy Directorate after the construction of the first series of Soviet submarines and was aimed at eliminating the backlog in submarine shipbuilding from the advanced countries of the world. The “C” type boats were distinguished by better habitability, which was provided by spacious compartments and a rational arrangement of equipment and mechanisms. The surface speed was considered simply enormous - about 19,5 units, which was achieved through the use of two powerful diesel engines with an 2000 horsepower.

The maneuverability characteristics of submarines of the type "C" were considered to be quite satisfactory for the entire period of their operation. Having developed a full stroke, in the surface position the boat made a turn of 180 degrees in about three minutes. The diameter of the circulation was at the same time 1,7 cable. In the mode of economic progress the same maneuver could be performed in four minutes. Under water, the boat made a turn of 180 degrees in nine minutes at 6-nodal speed and in 12 minutes at 3-nodal speed. The diameter of the circulation at the same time was 5 and 5,6 cable respectively. The transition time from the cruising position to the positional position was for boat type “C” 25 seconds, from positional to combat - 15-20 seconds, from cruising position to combat - 48-50 seconds.

Submarines type "Stalin". The best Soviet submarines of the Great Patriotic


Boats planned to build in three series. The first three boats of the IX series were built in 1934-1938. Then the 41 submarine of the IX-bis series was laid, of which 38 boats were completed, their construction was carried out from 1936 to 1948 year. Construction of boats under the project IX-bis was delayed due to the overall complexity of the project. The main problems were associated with obtaining the necessary diesel engines, which is why a batch of X-bis series submarines of the Shchuka type was ordered to load the shipyards in the USSR. Still 18 submarines were built all-welded according to the modified project of the series XVI, but by the beginning of World War II they were all only in the early stages of construction, so none of the boats in this series was completed.

In total, the 41 type C boat was commissioned. Of these, the 17 fleet was incorporated into the 17 fleet in the beginning of the war, the 7 was completed in the war years, and the 22 boats afloat to 1941 on June 1 were completed after the end of the war action. The fate of the three first C-2, C-3 and C-2 boats belonging to the IX series was the most tragic. The C-1940 boat exploded a mine during the Soviet-Finnish war in January 1, and the two remaining boats were being repaired in Liepaja at the time of the start of World War II. The C-3 boat did not move and was blown up by the crew when leaving the city. Submarine C-5 underwent medium repair. The submarine could not dive and developed a speed of no more than 23 nodes, despite this she tried to break out of Liepaja on the night from 24 to June 1. At sea, it was discovered and sunk by German torpedo boats. At the same time she was on board the crew of the C-100 boat and a certain number of workers at the Tosmar shipyard, about 20 people in total. Of these, German torpedo boats lifted on board only the order of XNUMX survivors.

Thus, only C-type submarines of the IX-bis series took part directly in the combat actions and campaigns of the Great Patriotic War. During the war years, the “Stalinists” sunk 12 transports and enemy warships in the Northern Fleet and destroyed two more. The Eski of the Baltic Fleet destroyed nine enemy transport and warships and seriously damaged four more ships with torpedoes. Two more small vehicles were sunk by the artillery armament of the Baltic submarines. In the Black Sea, the results of the boats were much more modest: two landing ships and a self-propelled barge, another ship was sunk by artillery. Torpedoes were damaged amphibious and anti-submarine ships. During the war years, 13 Soviet C-type boats of the IX-bis series died: two in the North, 9 in the Baltic, and two in the Black Sea. Thus, the Baltic Fleet suffered the greatest losses, where only one boat survived the war, 90 percent of the ships of this type were lost, two out of four submarines were sunk on the Black Sea. The lowest losses were in the Northern Fleet, which lost two boats and less than 17% of the existing composition of these vessels.


Submarine C-51 Series IX bis


During the years of the Great Patriotic War, “Eski” sank 27 of enemy ships and damaged 8. Total - 2,7 transport and warships for one boat lost in battles. This is one of the best results, which is close to the indicators that the submariners of the Kriegsmarine have achieved - 4,41 transport and warships to a submerged German submarine. It should be noted that the Soviet submariners operated in immeasurably more difficult conditions than the German ones, especially in the first half of the war, including the Baltic Sea, which for submarines with an underwater displacement of more than 1000 tons was still too small and in addition was stuffed with thousands of contact and non-contact min.

The powerful artillery weapons of the Stalinists allowed it to be used not only for sinking enemy ships, but also for firing on coastal targets. For example, in October 1941, the C-7 submarine carried out shelling of the Finnish railway stations, and on the black sea in October of the same year, the C-31 submarine was engaged in shelling the positions of the German infantry at Perekop. The transition from one theater of operations to another (from the Pacific Fleet to the Northern Fleet), which was perfect in 1943, demonstrated the excellent fitness of C-type boats for ocean cruises and offshore activities. During the stay of the Pacific Esok in Dutch Harbor, the American sailors were surprised by their high tactical and technical characteristics.

It should be noted that the famous Soviet submariners Grigory Shchedrin and Alexander Marinesko served on the Eskas. For one trip, the last one sank two large German transport in the Baltic at once. On January 30, his boat C-13 carried out the “attack of the century”, sending Wilhelm Gustloff transport with a displacement of more than 25 thousand tons, and Marinesko sank Transport of General Steuben with a displacement of about 10 thousand tons in February. According to the tonnage sunk, Alexander Marinesko became the most productive Soviet submariners during the war.


C-56 submarine in Vladivostok


The submarines of the “C” type that survived the war served until the middle of the 1950, after which all the Eski were gradually written off. Some of them were sent for recycling (trimmed into metal), some were converted into floating training or charging stations, several boats from the Pacific Fleet were transferred to the Chinese Navy, where they had served 15 for years. The last from the composition of the fleet dropped out a training station, refitting from the boat "C-14", it was 9 February 1978 of the year.

The submarine C-51 has been partially preserved to this day; the cabin and part of the hull of this boat were installed as a monument in Gremikha. The only fully preserved submarine is the famous Red Banner Guards Boat "C-56", which is established as a monument and museum on the embankment of Vladivostok.

Tactical and technical characteristics of the submarine type "C" series IX-bis:
Displacement: surface - 840 tons, scuba - 1070 tons.
Overall dimensions: length - 77,75 m, width - 6,4 m, draft - 4 m.
The power plant - two diesel engines with horsepower 2х2000. and two main electric motors with power 2х550 hp
Travel speed: surface - node 19,5, submerged - node 8,5.
Economic speed: surface - 8,5-10 nodes, subsea - 3 node.
Cruising range (normal fuel capacity) - up to 8200 miles (surface run), to 140 miles (underwater run).
Immersion depth: working - 80 m, limit - 100 m.
Artillery weapons: 1x100-mm cannon B-24PL, 1x45-mm cannon 21-K and 2x7,62-mm machine gun.
Torpedo armament: 4х533-mm nasal torpedo tubes and 2x533-mm stern torpedo tubes, total torpedo stock - 12 pieces.
The autonomy of swimming is 30 days.
Crew - 45 man.

Information sources:
https://vpk-news.ru/articles/45346
http://deepstorm.ru
http://www.telenir.net/transport_i_aviacija/tehnika_i_vooruzhenie_2000_01/p7.php
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  1. +10
    20 January 2019 06: 47
    Thanks for the good article.
    One of the findings is that the Baltic is too small for traditional submarines. It is necessary to develop an uninhabited submarine fleet.
  2. +3
    20 January 2019 10: 35
    I will support. Written well. Even somehow there’s nothing to argue with)).
  3. +2
    20 January 2019 10: 58
    Thanks for the article, It’s not so much clear why in the original version the gun had to be put in the wheelhouse.
    1. +4
      20 January 2019 20: 48
      It is likely to reduce the resistance in the submerged position and, as a consequence, increase underwater speed.
  4. +15
    20 January 2019 11: 14
    There is a mistake in the title of the article. Accordingly, this error is replicated in the text as well. Series C boats have never been "Stalinists". In the beginning it was series H (German), then C (middle). Stalin is the proper name of the L-2 underwater mine layer. Nothing is said about the XVI series of boats, which were structurally different from the IX series (as the C-21 were completely welded) had different diesel engines and ammunition of 14 torpedoes. Several submarines of this series were laid down from Leningrad before the war. I can't put a plus - the article is misleading the reader.
    1. +4
      20 January 2019 11: 31
      I will add - in a number of authoritative sources, such as "History of domestic shipbuilding", v.4, edited by Academician Spassky, or in the book "Soviet submarine shipbuilding" V.I. Dmitriev speaks about the erroneousness and opportunistic nature of the naming of series IX bis boats "Stalinists".
      1. 0
        22 January 2019 00: 25
        Quote: Potter
        it is said about the erroneousness and opportunistic nature of the name of the boats of the IX bis series "Stalinists".

        Well, maybe someone used it "colloquially". request Then, by analogy, the PL series should have been called: series K - "Kirovets" (although, then Kirov was no longer there) or "Kalininets"; series M - "Molotovets"; and series Sh ... well, let's say, "Shchorsovets" fellow laughing
  5. +4
    20 January 2019 11: 52
    The boat was much better than the pike, but to compare the 592 ton pike with the 840 ton C was not very good. These are ships of different generations.
    The gun they wanted to put in the wheelhouse is apparently to increase the possibility of firing in fresh weather or from a positional position.
    Personally, I prefer submarines like Leninets, although the command knows better.
  6. +1
    20 January 2019 15: 37
    The boat S-51 is not accidentally in the bay. Is the find photographed? The place is too familiar)))
  7. +8
    20 January 2019 16: 32
    Over the years of World War II, the Eski sunk 27 enemy ships and damaged another 8. Total - 2,7 vehicles and warships per boat that died in battle. This is one of the best results, which is approaching the indicators that the Kriegsmarine submariners achieved - 4,41 vehicles and warships on a sunken German submarine.
    Who needs this passage? Why publish such nonsense? Which type of German boat do we compare type "C" boats with? And without the tonnage of sunken ships, these figures are nothing at all.
    1. +1
      20 January 2019 16: 54
      Which type of German boat do we compare type "C" boats with? - laughing - they must be compared with VII

      I don’t understand the current:
      30 submarines of type “C” participating in the Great Patriotic War, according to data confirmed by both belligerents, sank 19 vessels with a total tonnage of 78 gt, 942 warships, including one submarine, damaged 7 transports (6 gbt) and 27 warships the enemy. 192 submarines of this type were lost, including all three boats of the IX series.
      If you subtract Gustlov and Steuben, then .... it turns out it was easier not to build boats at all, right?
      1. +5
        20 January 2019 19: 34
        The question of assessing the effectiveness of Soviet submarines is generally difficult, since it is extremely difficult to find data on the tonnage of sunken ships. The data you provide - from Wikipedia, without a link to sources, can’t be verified in any way.
        1. +1
          20 January 2019 20: 03
          complex, but the fact of insignificant, to put it mildly, effectiveness is obtained, no matter how you count = Soviet submarines have never violated the enemy’s communications system
          1. +7
            20 January 2019 20: 44
            , but the fact of insignificant, to put it mildly, effectiveness


            Comparison of the Germans and our submarines is incorrect, to put it mildly. "C" is a boat between the German XNUMX and XNUMX. And the effectiveness of the German sevens in the Baltic is practically zero - there are no targets and the whole sea is filled with mines. The boat is great both for the Baltic and Black. These are boats from the Atlantic and northern seas. And there the German transports were afraid to stick their nose out. But for the German boats there were a lot of targets - the convoys in both directions, at the beginning of the war, were virtually defenseless. "Fat years" of the German aces. The British submariners also have a bleak picture - there is no one to chase after.
            It’s the same as reproaching the Siberian hunter that he shot few lions in his taiga.
            1. +1
              20 January 2019 20: 58
              I reproach not the Siberian hunter, but his boss: the whole concept of a huge number of submarines in the Baltic turned out to be completely vicious, and they did not achieve much in the Northern Fleet and the Black Sea Fleet
              with the seven, IMHO, we must compare all)
  8. +2
    20 January 2019 16: 55
    hi ...Thank. Cinema for the evening:
    Submarines of the "C" series soldier
  9. +3
    20 January 2019 19: 20
    In 1942 Sevmash handed over to the fleet, the first in its history, completed submarines of the Leninets type: L-20 and L-22, which they managed to tow to Molotovsk along the White Sea-Baltic Canal in September 1941 from Leningrad. In the same 1942, the Malyutki M-119, M-121 and M-122 from Gorky from Krsny Sormov arrived at Sevmash by rail, were launched, completed and handed over to the fleet.
    In 1943, Sevmash handed over to the fleet the S-14, S-15, S-103 and S-104 built on the "Krasny Sormov", and in 1944, the S-16 ... And even in the media and on the Internet "experts write ", and the people read the half-truth that during the war years Sevmash produced only" Big Hunters "and repaired our and allied ships and vessels.
  10. -1
    20 January 2019 21: 08
    Submarines of the "Stalinist" type, the best Soviet submarines of the Great Patriotic War, which were developed by order of the Soviet side by the German-Dutch design bureau "IVS". Neither subtract nor diminish. You can only supplement the statistics of participation and effectiveness of the Navy of different countries during the Second World War, where the USSR Navy holds the honorable last place.
    1. Alf
      +2
      20 January 2019 21: 26
      Quote: Lead
      You can only supplement the statistics of participation and effectiveness of the Navy of different countries during the Second World War, where the USSR Navy holds the honorable last place.

      So there were no goals. Convoys of the PQ-17 type Marinesko, Lunin, Kotelnikov, Vidyaeva somehow did not come across, and the battleship-cruisers kriegsmarine did not hang off our shores.
      1. -5
        20 January 2019 22: 27
        Goals - always found, if you look for them. German submarines found their targets in the Atlantic, and in the Pacific Ocean and off the coast of the United States. And there were German convoys in the North Seas, and the German Navy - the whole war did not stand in ports.
        1. Alf
          +2
          20 January 2019 22: 49
          Quote: Lead
          Goals - always found, if you look for them. German submarines found their targets in the Atlantic, and in the Pacific Ocean and off the coast of the United States. And there were German convoys in the North Seas, and the German Navy - the whole war did not stand in ports.

          The North Sea was a British area of ​​responsibility.
          What did our boats do in the Atlantic or the Pacific? Were there German convoys?
          Was the German Navy in the Black Sea? In the Baltic? Every little thing was like minesweepers, a maximum of watchdogs.
          1. -4
            20 January 2019 23: 07
            Are you talking about a little thing like "Tirpitz" or "Bismarck"? Or about other, smaller German ships such as "Deutschland", "Admiral Scheer", "Admiral Hipper" or "Prinz Eugen"? Or the ridiculous German transport convoys from Norway, Holland and Sweden carrying ore and other important strategic materials for German heavy industry in the Ruhr?

            Do not disgrace and read at least this:
            https://warspot.ru/7077-kauchuk-i-volfram-dlya-tretiego-reyha

            Not a single naval fleet of the USSR from the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean, from the North Seas to the Black Sea, could not find worthy opponents for itself throughout the war - trouble is sadness.
            Where did you get this nonsense about "The North Sea was the British responsibility"? You will also say that there was an unspoken ban on the conduct of hostilities at sea for the Soviet Navy, so that the British would not be offended!
            1. +3
              20 January 2019 23: 57
              Quote: Lead
              Are you talking about a little thing like "Tirpitz" or "Bismarck"? Or about other, smaller German ships such as "Deutschland", "Admiral Scheer", "Admiral Hipper" or "Prinz Eugen"? Or the ridiculous German transport convoys from Norway, Holland and Sweden carrying ore and other important strategic materials for German heavy industry in the Ruhr?

              Do not disgrace and read at least this:
              https://warspot.ru/7077-kauchuk-i-volfram-dlya-tretiego-reyha

              Not a single naval fleet of the USSR from the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean, from the North Seas to the Black Sea, could not find worthy opponents for itself throughout the war - trouble is sadness.
              Where did you get this nonsense about "The North Sea was the British responsibility"? You will also say that there was an unspoken ban on the conduct of hostilities at sea for the Soviet Navy, so that the British would not be offended!

              Don't talk nonsense! Your opponent referred to the Baltic Sea! What "Tirpitz", there ??))) By the way, about this "steamer" .. You probably do not know that our submarine attacked it?))
              What year and Hde, drowned "Bismarck" remember ??
              And yes: the Baltic was very "comfortable" for the operation of our fleet, especially if we recall the "soup with dumplings")))
              1. -4
                21 January 2019 00: 27
                Well, I was talking about the entire Soviet Navy, where, among other things, the boats described in this article were used. Can you tell me where the K-21 attacked the Tirpitz? So, after all, were the goals for the USSR Navy during the Second World War? Here are just victories - not for the Soviet Navy.
                1. +3
                  21 January 2019 00: 55
                  Well, let's remember what the Fleet was like at the beginning of the war)) Its tasks and real capabilities) As I understand it, you think that part of it had to be driven to the Atlantic, to Africa or Southeast Asia, in the "search for targets" ??)) Only the question is: what, on the Black Sea?)) Can you enlighten? Or in the Baltic ..
                  About "Tirpitz" is actually a moot point .. If you are interested, then a lot of opinions have been written.)) I think you know)
                  And about the Victory .. The Navy made a feasible contribution! You don’t even have to challenge this fact)
                  1. -5
                    21 January 2019 01: 16
                    Do you indulge in the eyes? Or selectively use only what is convenient for you? Destruction of German northern convoys - a minor target for the Soviet Navy? Is the destruction of the enemy fleet in the northern seas a minor goal for the Soviet Navy? Or - again nonsense about "the North Sea was the area of ​​responsibility of the British"?
                    About the German fleet off the coast of Africa, in the Atlantic, on the Pacific Ocean and off the coast of the United States. Why did the German fleet find and destroy its opponents at the reach of their navy, and what large eggs prevented the Soviet Navy from doing this?
                    1. +1
                      21 January 2019 07: 43
                      Are you indulging in the brain? What are the German northern convoys?))
                      And shtA, looking at the Germans, it was necessary, in full sail, to fly to Indian Ocean for they were noted there too?
                      1. -1
                        21 January 2019 10: 44
                        Now I repeat this for you.

                        Do not disgrace and read at least this:
                        https://warspot.ru/7077-kauchuk-i-volfram-dlya-tretiego-reyha

                        And yes, there was no need to sail into the Indian Ocean, since under the nose, in fact - in the coastal waters of the USSR was an enemy fleet, which, clear the stump, was not of interest to the Soviet Navy. And in the Pacific Ocean - the same goals were not, neither military nor transport convoys. Such are the things.
                      2. +2
                        21 January 2019 11: 00
                        Yes, what do you tell me all the time you slip rubber?))
                        Take an interest, at your leisure, what were the ways of mass deliveries from Scandinavia)
                        Essno, that in the north of Norway, ships ran, but the number is not comparable) well, ours, essno, drowned what they could)) do you think that finding a steamer in the sea is easy and simple?) From your words, it develops the impression that our sailors did nothing but sit on the shore and drink "kakava" in milk)
                        About the Pacific Fleet, also amused))) And your pearl about the "Bismarck": "I laughed" (c) really, why did not our people hunt him !? laughing
                      3. -4
                        21 January 2019 11: 16
                        So I write about this, dear, I could not find worthy goals for myself by the USSR Navy in the Second World War, and that according to statistics on the participation and effectiveness of the Navy of different countries during the Second World War, the USSR Navy holds an honorable last place.
                        Also, for information, rubber is now an important STRATEGIC raw material, and even for Russia.
                        But what I really laughed at was your statement: "Well, let's remember what the Navy was like at the beginning of the war)) Its tasks and real capabilities)". Was it you, like, complained about the weak Soviet fleet, which had the opportunity to develop it as you like, in comparison with the German navy, which did not have a navy at all until the mid-thirties? Bad dancer - eggs always get in the way.
                      4. +1
                        21 January 2019 12: 53
                        Are you, like, complaining about the weak fleet of the USSR, which had the opportunity to develop it as you like, in comparison with the German fleet, which until the mid-thirties did not have a military fleet? Bad dancer - eggs always interfere.

                        Enlighten me "About the connoisseur of the Soviet reality of the times from 1918 to 1945" about the possibilities of the USSR to develop its military fleet, as "his heart desires"!
                        And poor Germany was "strangled" by the Versailles restrictions on the state of the "STONE AGE" ...
                      5. -1
                        21 January 2019 14: 23
                        Unsubscribe your nickname in Google - try to ban you there.
                      6. +2
                        21 January 2019 15: 04
                        But will there really be no text issue?
                      7. -1
                        21 January 2019 15: 18
                        Essentially, you read in Google about the Treaty of Versailles, the number and composition of the navy of the USSR and Germany in the mid-30s and before the war. These are open data, historical facts that will help you defeat ignorance and lies in the 21st century.
                      8. 0
                        21 January 2019 15: 25
                        The smart answer is
                        And he said to them: [suppose] one of you, having a friend, will come to him at midnight and say to him: friend! lend me three loaves, for my friend has come to me from the road, and I have nothing to offer him; and he from the inside will answer him: Don’t disturb me, the doors are already locked, and my children are with me in bed; I can’t get up and give you. If, I tell you, he will not get up and will not give him friendship with him, then by his persistence, standing up, he will give him how much he asks. And I will tell you: ask, and it will be given to you; seek and find; knock, and they will open it for you, for everyone who asks receives, and the seeker finds, and it will be opened to the knocker.

                        It’s a pity we didn’t live at that time and didn’t experience those “open sources” on our own "skin" ... And the joys of Versailles and other treaties.
                    2. +3
                      21 January 2019 15: 25
                      Quote: Lead
                      Destruction of the enemy fleet in the northern seas - a small goal for the Soviet Navy?

                      Are we still talking about the Northern Fleet? Tomme, whose commander in 1941 canceled the EM's output to sea to the aid of the TFR - "behind the clear superiority of the enemy"? Because the forces of the fleet in the Main Base were not enough even to fight the battalion of the EM Kriegsmarine.
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                      27 January 2019 01: 35
                      The basing, basing of our PLPL did not allow destroying the enemy within reach. Just compare the capabilities of the Third Reich at the time the war began at the basing points and our capabilities. This is one of the main reasons. There are others ...
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          21 January 2019 15: 21
          Quote: Lead
          Goals - always found, if you look for them. German submarines found their targets in the Atlantic, and in the Pacific Ocean and off the coast of the United States.

          But only the Soviet submarines did not have opponents of the owners of the Top-3 merchant fleet of the world.
          Quote: Lead
          And there were German convoys in the North Seas, and the German Navy - the whole war did not stand in ports.

          The main convoys went beyond our area of ​​responsibility. And inside it there were only convoys in Liinhamari. For the western border of the positions of the submarines of the Northern Fleet reached the coast of Norway north of Tromsø. Next were the Allied submarines.
          And yes, in its best times, the Federation Council could hold at the positions of 7-9 submarines simultaneously.
          The area of ​​operations of submarines of the Northern Fleet, located east of about. Bearish [West of the meridian 20 ° 00 'E. the Allied naval forces operated], was divided into three sections. The section from Tromsø to about. Magerø (180 miles) abounded in small rocky islands - skerries. Plot from about. Magerø to Varangerfjord (about 100 miles) was open, but transports followed here, snuggling almost close to the shore. The section that ran along the coast of the Varanger Fjord to Petsamo (about 60 miles) was open. The second and third sectors were the most favorable for submarine operations. The boat operations on the first skerry section were extremely difficult.

          Here are the positions of the submarine of the Federation Council for 1942:
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    20 January 2019 21: 31
    Thanks to the author. Interesting and informative.
  12. +1
    20 January 2019 22: 37
    By the way, on the submarines of the "C" series, the cover of the rear torpedo tubes was originally made - in the form of a conical part on the shaft - on any other boats of that time I did not see such a simple design
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    21 January 2019 13: 10
    The basis for all boats in the series was a project that was developed by order of the Soviet side by the German-Dutch design bureau IVS.

    In order to preserve the potential of the submarine fleet that proved to be good in the war, the Reichsmarine leadership in 1922 acquired the Dutch company Shipbuilding Design Bureau (Dutch Ingenieurskaantor voor Scheepsbouw, IvS) through the nominees (Deshimag concern). Her staff was supplemented by German specialists, both civilian and navy officers who had retired. In the 1920s, on the orders of other states, several types of submarines were designed; these projects subsequently formed the basis of shipbuilding programs in Germany itself. Thus, the 750-ton E-1 submarine in Spain and the 250-ton Vesikko submarine in Finland were built. The developed project of the 750-ton submarine was used to create Soviet type “C” boats and served as the basis for the development of German type IX boats, and the Finnish submarine became the direct predecessor of German type II small boats.

    Say thanks to the German designers honing their skills on projects for other countries!
  14. +2
    21 January 2019 14: 01
    V.S. Koryakin
    WAR IN THE ARCTIC
    1941-1945
    Losses of the German transport fleet in the Northern theater of operations from the operations of the Northern Fleet (mainly from air strikes and submariners) amounted to 95 ships with a total tonnage of almost 200 thousand tons, in addition to 30 damaged ones (with a total tonnage of another 70 thousand tons), taking into account German data.
    In forty allied convoys of 1941-1945, out of 811 transports, 41 German submarines were sunk (including 5 Soviet ones — Izhora, Sukhona, Kiev, Stalingrad, Rodina) and 18 escort warships. Five more transports (including two Soviet - "Decembrist" and "Donbass") died in "drip flights". Our losses in coastal convoys (including the Kara Sea) amounted to 18 units, in addition to transports, another lifeguard, a tugboat with barges and two hydrographic vessels, at the cost of the death of five enemy submarines. In addition to combat losses - the death of the icebreaker "Sadko".
    In attacks on the Allied convoys, the Germans lost 33 submarines.
    ... The fact is that, unlike the Allies, we used aviation poorly in the fight against enemy boats, while the large losses of our boats are associated with their use in the coastal zone, where the mine danger is especially great. In this case, the blown up boat simply went missing - its death was not documented by the enemy, which could be ascertained from the captured documents. In addition, we did not have time to react in time to the enemy’s use of both tactical innovations (“wolf packs”) and technical (acoustic torpedoes, snorkel), while lagging behind the Allies in terms of the use of defensive means (sonars and radars).

    All right and right! But, where was the opportunity to get modern proto-submarine aircraft of the Catalina type?
    Where it was possible to prepare crews for these aircraft!
    Like crews for submarines.
    But a submariner is a "piece" specialist!
    Many things were missing and lacking in our Navy to this day, but in those terrible years of the Great Patriotic Sailors of the Navy of the Red Army surpassed their own capabilities by 200%.
    ... Our polar explorer fought with an opponent who possessed undoubted professional advantages, among which the poet noted: "Yes, the enemy was brave, the more our glory."
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    21 January 2019 16: 59
    A big request, for knowledgeable people write an article about French boat Sürkuf, I read in childhood that it was allegedly possible to shoot from the guns of this boat from under water.
    In N.N. in the Kremlin there is a copy of the cabin of the S-13 boat, the very one Captain Marinesco. That's what it was necessary to be, send such a boat to the needles, we will not have a future, while such examples of history are being destroyed in our country.
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    11 March 2019 23: 38
    The largest changes in the project were made by a diesel power plant. Especially for the boat, under the leadership of N. M. Urvantsev, a new four-stroke eight-cylinder non-reversible 1D diesel engine was developed at the Kolomensky Zavod, the diesel power remained the same 2000 hp (at 470 rpm), and the Esok speed characteristics remained unchanged. At the same time, the installation of new engines required an increase in the diameter of the exhaust pipes from 360 to 420 mm and the alteration of the oil, water, air, and fuel systems.
    And despite all the advantages of 1-D diesel engines, it was not possible to completely eliminate the piston seizure. There was one more trouble, the bearings of the supercharger. “On the night of July 29, while charging the battery, the engine suddenly stopped. Leaving the foreman of Nakhimchuk in the central post, I run to the unusually quiet fifth compartment. Smoke is smoking over the stopped diesel engine. Bryansky reports:
    - The charging unit is out of order.
    “The ball bearing of the gas turbine is ground,” says Chief Sergeant Mikhailov.
    Why such a gimp? Disassemble a working air turbine ... It is easier to immediately put a spare bearing in the place of a damaged ...

    - No, it is necessary to do as I say. In a gas turbine we will supply an already run-in bearing. You know that the shaft temperature of this turbine reaches several hundred degrees. Put there a new, non-rolled bearing - it can “bite” and grind it.

    - I never would have thought ...

    “We would have thought, grinding a couple of bearings, as has already happened with Mikhailov and me.” Remember the foreman?

    - You won't forget that, - confirms that. "V.E. Korzh." Safety margin "
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    April 1 2019 19: 01
    In those days, submarines were not submarines in the modern sense of the word. Most of the time they were at the top, using diesel and convoy attacks in those days, the Germans at first preferred to spend at night from the surface from short distances. After the mass equipping of the Allied ships with asdics and radars, the Kriegsmarine began to suffer terrible losses, which were already irreparable. We probably lagged behind in something, the efficiency was lower, but our sailors didn’t have the courage and skill, so our C-56 boat traveled around the world, a tremendous achievement, given the difficult living conditions on submarines of that time. This beauty stands on a pedestal in Vladivostok and is quite popular with tourists.
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    27 June 2020 13: 20
    In December 1934, the Germans laid down two boats of the U-25 and U-26 IA series, which were the prototype of type C boats, went into operation in 1936 (after the conclusion of the German-English Sea Treaty), when testing the boats showed unsatisfactory maneuverability under water both in the horizontal and vertical planes, the Germans did not lay the IA series boats anymore, but began to develop the IX series boats, which were with increased displacement and using design solutions and unification with the already tested VIIA series boats, the Germans refused mass construction the prototypes of our type C boats, speaks of much greater requirements for the submarine by the Germans (the experience of the First World War both in design and application affects), the German IA boats of the IA series (prototypes of Soviet type C boats) were experimental-training before the war, but the shortage boats at the beginning of the war, the Germans were forced to begin their combat use and both died in 1940, U-25 made 5 patrols heated 7 ships and one auxiliary cruiser, died on August 2, 1940 in mines in the North Sea, U-26 made 6 patrols and 11 transports sunk, the boat died July 1, 1940 from depth charges of an airplane and a corvette, the crew was captured. All the same, the requirements for submarines of the Soviet fleet were very low, but with the acquisition of type C boats, the Soviet fleet received new German technology, which benefited the entire fleet.