Gunsmith: submachine gun R9-Arms

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Representatives of criminal circles for more convenient management of dark affairs are trying to get one or another small weapon. Often, they use handicrafts that do not differ in perfection and high performance. However, illegal weapons workshops can produce more successful samples. Thus, over the past few years, the R9-Arms submachine guns have regularly appeared in reports of the European police. This weapon is of unknown origin, but obviously factory-made enjoys a certain popularity among criminals.

Historical reference



For the first time, law enforcement officers ran into a previously unknown weapon model in 2006. The Croatian Police and the Bureau for the Fight against Corruption and Organized Crime of Croatia have discovered another underground shop for the production of small arms with a small warehouse of finished products in Croatian Zagorje. The illegal enterprise belonged to Mirko and Ivan Vugrek - famous amateur gunsmiths. They developed and produced their first samples during the civil war and, apparently, did not refuse to continue work in this direction.

Gunsmith: submachine gun R9-Arms
One of the first seized R9-Arms


At the “enterprise” of the Vugrek family, they found and seized a large amount of weapons and ammunition of various types. In this case, one of the finds greatly surprised the police. During the search, a submachine gun of an unknown model was found that had not yet been encountered by the police of Croatia or other countries. In the existing reference books, this weapon was also absent. The find attracted the attention of specialists and weapons lovers, and soon received a well-deserved fame.

The unknown compact submachine gun had a whole set of markings, but they did not help to establish the origin of the weapon, the time of its production, etc. The inscription “R9-ARMS Corp.” was on the left side of the movable shutter casing. USA. ” On the left side of the frame there was a marking for the translator of the fire: the inscriptions Single and Auto. On the right of the casing was a large inscription 9х19; on the frame there is a place for a serial number with the letter “No.”. However, on all known samples the number was not knocked out.

Marking suggested that the submachine gun was manufactured by some company R9-Arms from the United States. However, the United States has never had a weapon enterprise with such a name, and the American regulatory authorities did not know anything about such weapons. It is obvious that the inscription on the casing was made exclusively “for the view”. The exact name of the unusual submachine gun is still a mystery, but in the weapons circles it was called R9-Arms - on the marking on the movable casing.


Top view of the frame


In the future, European law enforcement officers from different countries several times removed new samples of the R9-Arms submachine gun from criminals. Of particular interest is the 2012 incident of the year. British police detained a truck driver from the Netherlands who tried to smuggle drugs into the country. The detainee was found a submachine gun R9-Arms, and equipped with a silencer. It was the first sample of this kind.

In 2015, the police again searched the former Vugrek “factory” in the Croatian Zagorje, and again found an arsenal. Among other samples were numerous R9-Arms products with stores and silencers. Two cases of detection of submachine guns in one place became the reason for the relevant suspicions. According to one of the most popular versions, such a weapon was made in Croatia. However, while this assumption has not received decent evidence.

In favor of the version of Croatian origin, the fact that significant quantities of R9-Arms were seized from the gunsmiths Mirko and Ivan Vugrekov speaks for it. However, the detainees did not admit to the independent manufacture of weapons and involvement in the production of R9-Arms. The police did not find any evidence of their participation in the proceedings. There were grounds to believe that the suspects only resold the ready-made weapons of someone else’s assembly.


Shutter casing, bottom-side view


Submachine guns of unknown origin are still in the reports of the European police. The last case of detection of R9-Arms took place just a few months ago. In early September, a truck with a batch of illegal weapons was discovered in the port of British Dover. Together with the factory samples in it found one submachine gun R9-Arms.

The existence of submachine guns R9-Arms became known 12 years ago. Since then, at least a dozen of such products have been seized, but the situation with information has not changed. The exact origin of the submachine guns remains unknown - although there is a fairly plausible version. As a result, R9-Arms still remain one of the main mysteries in the weapons field. When the answers to all your questions appear - it remains only to guess.

Design features

First of all, R9-Arms submachine guns are distinguished from other types of small arms of illegal origin by high quality and production culture. In their manufacture, metalworking machines of various types were used, clearly controlled by trained specialists. In addition, clandestine gunsmiths did not use the simplest automation options characteristic of artisanal weapons. As a result, R9-Arms are of interest not only because of their unusual history.


Trigger mechanism close-up. The trigger is lowered, there is no fire interpreter


From a structural point of view, a compact submachine gun is similar to various self-loading pistols, but it has some characteristic features. The simplest automation based on the free gate, which is under the movable casing, was used. It uses not the most common among pistol-machine guns trigger-type trigger mechanism. In general, R9-Arms does not look like a direct copy of any existing sample and is an independent development, even if based on well-known and well-developed solutions.

The basis of the submachine gun are the frame and casing of the bolt, similar to the details of "classic" pistols. The frame is made in the form of a milled part of the T-shaped profile. It has an upper tray to accommodate parts of the necessary parts. The reception shaft of the store was placed in the handle, and the back part of the frame contains the main part of USM parts. The layout of the casing bolt borrowed from self-loading pistols. Inside its front there is a fixed stem with a return spring. Located behind the gate with a spring-loaded drummer.

The submachine gun received a rifled barrel caliber 9 mm long 130-140 mm. The chamber is designed for ammunition 9x19 mm "Parabellum" - one of the most popular pistol cartridges of our time. The barrel during the shooting remains in place and does not move. It is held in place by the transverse pin of the frame, which is included in the semicircular notch on the tide under the cartridge chamber. The muzzle of the barrel is threaded to install the necessary devices.

The shutter of the submachine gun is made as an integral element of the casing. It has a longitudinal channel for the striker and its spring. During the recharge cycle, the shutter reciprocates with the case. When the cover is moved backward, its front wall compresses the return spring mounted around the barrel.


The back of the frame and trigger. Below is the mine shop


Behind the store's receiving shaft there is a hammer-type firing mechanism in the frame. A characteristic feature of the USM are relatively large size and weight of the trigger. Behind the trigger is supported by a twisted combat spring, worn on the guide rod. The control of triggering is carried out with the help of a traditional trigger, passed in front of the shop’s mine. With the help of longitudinal barrels on the sides of the shaft, the U-shaped sear was driven. The USM design allowed firing single or bursts. The choice of fire mode was carried out using the flag in the back of the frame.

The R9-Arms submachine gun must use 9x19 mm cartridges supplied from detachable box magazines. Underground designers did not begin to create the shop and borrowed this device from a serial submachine gun Uzi. Such a box magazine is placed inside the pistol grip and secured by a latch on its bottom. Together with R9-Arms, shops of various capacities were withdrawn, up to several dozen rounds of ammunition. Apparently, different operators can use these weapons with magazines on both 25 and 50 cartridges - depending on the needs and access to serial products.

In terms of ergonomics, the R9-Arms is similar to some other submachine guns or self-loading pistols. The weapon is held by a vertical handle with a straightened front surface, in front of which there is a trigger and a protective bracket. The handle has a plastic lining with corrugation. For ease of cocking, there are vertical notches on the casing of the slide. The back of the frame has some recesses. It is possible that the R9-Arms can be equipped with a removable wire butt.


A submachine gun with a silencer seized from a smuggler driver in 2012.


The weapon is equipped with the simplest sights. From above in front on a casing there is a large front sight. The rear is the rear sight with side protection. The sight is designed for use at ranges up to several tens of meters - standard for such weapons.

The product can be completed with additional devices. In front of the frame, the designers provided a short bar for mounting the necessary accessories. Several samples taken were equipped with a laser target designator. The muzzle of the barrel provides for the installation of a muffler of handicraft production. With its absence, the thread is closed with a special nut.

Submachine gun R9-Arms has a length of about 240 mm. The height of the product without the store is about 180 mm. Mass unknown. According to available data, the applied automation allows you to get a technical rate of fire up to 850-900 shots per minute. Effective range - up to 20-30 m.

Underground benefits

It is easy to see that the unknown authors of the R9-Arms submachine gun used a number of already known and well-developed solutions in their project. At the same time, they connected them in an original way and got curious results. In addition, the weapons of their development were made with due accuracy and this compares favorably with other underground products.


The results of one of the operations of the police of the Netherlands


From the point of view of the general features of the design, R9-Arms does not look original. All major solutions of this project are known by existing samples. At the same time, some features of the submachine gun attract attention. First of all, it is interesting to reject the free shutter with a fixed drummer in favor of the trigger mechanism with the trigger. On closer examination, such a solution looks literate and logical.

Submachine gun uses a relatively powerful cartridge. Recoil when firing a queue may be too strong for a weapon without a stock, resulting in accuracy and accuracy will leave much to be desired. Designers underground found an elegant solution to this problem. When rolling back, the bolt and cover should compress the return spring, as well as displace the massive trigger and compress its combat spring. The recoil momentum is distributed between several parts and is suppressed more efficiently.

Thus, unknown gunsmiths sacrificed simplicity of design for the sake of improving fire performance. It is not difficult to imagine how a submachine gun with such an arrangement and ergonomics, equipped with a simplified trigger mechanism, would have behaved when fired.


Arsenal found in 2015 from the Vugrek family


Other technical features of weapons borrowed from other samples are not without reflection and refinement. In addition, the authors of the project took into account the specifics of the use of weapons by the criminal element. The result was a light and compact weapon with a sufficiently high firepower. It also allows for covert wearing and use - when using the optional silent shooting device.

Mystery of the century

Submachine guns R9-Arms were first discovered back in 2006, and at the same time the first versions of their origin appeared. In the future, such weapons were repeatedly withdrawn from criminals, but the situation with information has not changed much. Existing versions of the authors of an interesting sample received only indirect evidence, but direct confirmation is still lacking.

For obvious reasons, it is unknown not only the manufacturer of the weapon, but also the volume of its production. In recent years, more than a dozen serial products have been seized and, apparently, large quantities of such weapons remain in illegal circulation. Whether it will be possible to reveal and withdraw all these submachine guns is a big question. It is unlikely that their owners will surrender voluntarily and carry their unusual weapons to the police. Therefore, law enforcement agencies in different countries have a lot of work to do, especially considering that in addition to the R9-Arms submachine guns, the criminals have a lot of other weapons.

Perhaps in the future there will be new information about the origin of the unusual artisanal submachine gun. Will become known to the authors of the project and manufacturers of mass weapons. However, it is possible and less optimistic developments, with the result that the details will remain secret. Anyway, the lack of detailed data on the origin of the weapon draws attention to it. It is obvious that the submachine gun R9-Arms gained fame not only because of the original design, but also because of its mysterious origin.

On the materials of the sites:
https://thefirearmblog.com/
https://forgottenweapons.com/
http://smallarmsreview.com/
http://sadefensejournal.com/
http://ar15.com/
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  1. +4
    23 December 2018 06: 13
    A very interesting article .. There are also, in the EU, their own, Kulibins ,, :-)
    1. +4
      23 December 2018 06: 38
      Maybe the Kosovar Albanians are involved ... there now they are forming their army and they will need weapons ... what
      But I liked the gun, simple and small in size ... uses live ammunition.
    2. +1
      23 December 2018 08: 01
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      There are also, in the EU, Kulibins ,, :-)

      Having the opportunity to freely purchase modern metal-cutting machines, it is possible to organize production of AKs at least, of course it will be expensive.
      1. +1
        23 December 2018 08: 55
        Quote: Puncher
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        There are also, in the EU, Kulibins ,, :-)

        Having the opportunity to freely purchase modern metal-cutting machines, it is possible to organize production of AKs at least, of course it will be expensive.

        hi So the notorious Japanese terrorist (marked by explosions in the Tokyo subway) sect "Aum Senrike", at one time, and established the production of AK on legally acquired CNC machines, but the Japanese police were able to stop the clandestine production of weapons, unlike the Croatian!
      2. +4
        23 December 2018 11: 09
        Quote: Puncher
        Having the opportunity to freely purchase modern metal cutting machines, at least AK production can be organized,

        What a "perversion" - modern machines !? Vaughn in Pakistan, local gunsmiths on the simplest machines and not always with an electric drive ... with a file and a jigsaw, they will fulfill almost any of your whims for your money! And AK is not the limit ...
        They explained to me how to get to the automatic machine factory. The "Factory" turned out to be an ordinary shed, where five people worked in the twilight. Equipment includes workbenches, two machines and an old, shabby press. On the assembly table lies an unfinished Kalashnikov and an almost assembled pump-action shotgun.
        1. +1
          23 December 2018 18: 14
          This Kalash ... Pakistani and Chinese cartridges with RDX.

      3. +1
        25 December 2018 08: 15
        Machine tools aren’t everything for the manufacture of barrels and bolts you need good steel, 50ra or 45 rx, for the manufacture of barrels under the pistol cartridge suitable automobile drives from the brand 65g are suitable for weapons, it is weak, but the pistol cartridge can withstand.
  2. +6
    23 December 2018 07: 59
    Perhaps all parts are made in different places, and then assembled in one place. The Croatian police are frankly weak in undercover development. Even without this, using technical tracking tools, you can identify at least the collector.
  3. +2
    23 December 2018 08: 39
    Not without talent, the gunsmith invented. It would be difficult for him to make a mobile barrel. The mass was added with a movable casing-shutter and trigger.
    It's a pity, the characteristics were not provided. Surely no one "shot" this gadget? Just out of curiosity. And then even the length of the barrel is somehow uncertain ...
  4. +1
    23 December 2018 08: 43
    Thank you, dear Author, Kirill Ryabov, for your tireless work and Interesting Articles! good
    But I did not understand the "intrigue" - about the allegedly "mysterious origin" of this product, as it were underground (after all, the local police know where the location of the "underground production" and the names of the "underground workers" also know, and regularly visit them - makes a "showdown" with the confiscation of products, BUT does not confiscate either premises or equipment ??!, ie, in fact, implicitly "protects" this "company" Yes ? !!) "handicraftsmen-gunsmiths ?! After all, the police repeatedly" covered ", red-handed, the serial" arms production "of the Vugrich brothers and that the" mysterious origin "of their products is still preserved ??!
    It reminded me of an old joke:
    "A crow comes into a forest store and orders a kilo of sweets for a hare-seller, but half of them should be in a wrapper, and half of them unfold! To a mute question, surprised by this, the crow hare coquettishly answers:" But I'm so mysterious! .. . ""
    If domestic "self-made" 90s, who supplied the bandit "infantry" with pretentious hand-made "samopals" with "company inscriptions", had a "Vugrich" machine-tool park at their undivided disposal, then in the territory of the former Union the police also more often would come across similar products that have gone through a full cycle of machining, and not primitive "sawed and assembled on the knee" from parts secretly turned and taken out of the factory.
    In principle, the photo shows that very little engineering (not to mention design!) Talent was invested - the entire structure, even externally, is overweight, dimensional and mega-metal-consuming, with constructively laid down prerequisites for jamming and failures (in case of contamination and, " operational ", small nicks of the guides), although relatively simple for machining, especially on CNC machines.
    If the Vugrichs thought a little, then the PP could be made much lighter, more compact and technologically advanced (even for handicraft production), in general with a minimum of machining - (stamped, bent) welded, with a modular trigger (or drummer!) and a fuse-translator of fire modes in "one-handed accessibility", with a normal (a priori providing better accuracy of fire) barrel mount and a non-overheating (with intense shooting) return spring (springs!), with a folding stock ... IMHO. (but it's also good that the Croatian gunmen of terrorists and drug couriers have not finished their "mega-pretentious" deadly hack - it will be easier and safer for law enforcement to neutralize their criminal clients!)
    1. +5
      23 December 2018 13: 37
      You judge this PP as a weapon of the army, police, special forces. In a lesson, it usually doesn’t get to intense shooting, one store and a bummer. Lying in pants or wrapped in a rag in the basement, the gun is not very dirty. This weapon is important to be cheap, relatively high quality and have decent firepower, which it possesses.
      1. -1
        23 December 2018 17: 18
        Quote: English Tarantas
        You judge this PP as a weapon of the army, police, special forces. In a lesson, it usually doesn’t get to intense shooting, one store and a bummer. Lying in pants or wrapped in a rag in the basement, the gun is not very dirty. This weapon is important to be cheap, relatively high quality and have decent firepower, which it possesses.

        hi Only for attentive readers who want to learn something for themselves, I share some experience and reason in a complex way, dear English tarantass, ... including as a "frozen urka" smile
        "As a weapon of the army and police", and even more so as "special forces", the product of the Vugrich brothers is absolutely not suitable !!! It didn’t even occur to me to "judge" him like that, where did you get that ?! request
        Only as a weapon of grassroots drug dealers, bandyukov "infantrymen" and stoned suicide bombers, so, like, did he write in his previous commentary ?! wink
        For "shooting one magazine and dyoru" not at all such a PP as in the Vugrichi, tk. this one is NOT CHEAP, it was necessary to do, and what kind of strong "pants" are needed (apparently you remembered foreman Fedot Vaskov from the Soviet film "The Dawns Here Are Quiet", who almost had an anti-tank grenade in his breeches pocket, and in it are field binoculars, a revolver "Nagant" and a piece of laundry soap "wrapped in a rag" ?!), so that such a weighty and dimensional piece of milled steel "lay" in them ?! winked
        For a "disposable" PP, it was not necessary to fence such an expensive and mega-metal-consuming "garden" - an ordinary box - "clamshell", "riveted" from ... (it was already, having puffed up, wrote a popular "detail" of how, what and from which household objects could have been made, but then erased, so as not to provoke some readers to a possible violation of the Criminal Code!) ... a light, compact and powerful PP would turn out to be 30-40 meters tearing the target with a thick sheaf of tumbling bullets - the same as for "Urki" (purely THEORETICAL, this is a statement for all sorts of "thieves", no matter what they think, I even gave my wonderful multitool and a folding knife of the SOG firm to the children, consider, completely "disarmed"! feel )!
        1. +3
          23 December 2018 18: 06
          Regarding Petty Officer Fedot Vaskov, this is actually a collective image of an old soldier, and such things could have been in stock and soap and cartridges and whatever. The revolver "Nagant" was popular in WWII with all
          1. +1
            23 December 2018 19: 12
            Quote: vladcub
            Regarding Petty Officer Fedot Vaskov, this is actually a collective image of an old soldier, and such things could have been in stock and soap and cartridges and whatever. The revolver "Nagant" was popular in WWII with all

            hi Actually, I'm talking about the fantastic capacity of the pockets of the elders' breeches (the second, after the "women's bath", the scene of the film that struck me at the premiere! Yes ) when Comrade Vaskov conducts an audit of his reserves, before the "last and decisive battle" with the remaining Fritzes, and takes everything out of his pockets ...
            My dad was armed only with a PPSh and praised his stability when firing in bursts, but my childhood friend's daddy always had a Nagan breech in his pocket, somewhere he got it in battle (and when he met the Americans on the Elbe, they he was exchanged for this "still royal" revolver for a watch in a platinum case and with a platinum bracelet, so massive ... winked ). So, Uncle Georgy praised the "Nagan" very much for its reliability, even with a long wear in his pocket full of makhra waking up from his pouch - he saved his life when his carbine refused, and the attacking Nazi was already there ...
            1. +1
              23 December 2018 19: 34
              The Nagans were trouble-free. The cartridge is rather weak and the rate of fire was inferior to automatic pistols, but RELIABLE
          2. +2
            23 December 2018 19: 33
            Revolver "Nagant" was popular in WWII with all


            When my grandfather, having graduated from the Yeisk school in the 30s, got to his unit in Kotly near St. Petersburg and came to the gun shop to get his personal weapon, the old gunsmith said - take the Nagant. "Nagant" - the most reliable.

            However, this is not at all because the Nagan is a miracle weapon, but because there was simply no access to anything other than Nagan and TT. There were still cows, yes ...

            It is believed that with an axle cartridge (at that time a common thing) a self-cocking revolver can immediately shoot the next cartridge. However, with a firecracker shot (protracted) - this firecracker cartridge will blow the frame and hand of the shooter. There are no miracles.

            In a pistol, a firecracker cartridge is thrown out (in combat)

            Although the pistol (for safety reasons) is supposed to wait a minute with a firecracker, and only then reload.
    2. +3
      23 December 2018 20: 20
      Quote: pishchak
      In principle, the photo shows that very little engineering (not to mention design!) Talent was invested - the entire structure, even externally, is overweight, dimensional and mega-metal-consuming, with constructively laid down prerequisites for jamming and failures (in case of contamination and, " operational ", small nicks of the guides), although relatively simple for machining, especially on CNC machines.

      Would you like to try for yourself how overweight this structure is, overall and mega-metal-consuming, with preconditions for seizing and failures (in case of contamination and, "operational", small nicks of the guides)?
      Here, only one acid etching of the inscription is worth what, they don’t do it on the knee, but it’s so trivial, there are a couple of points, we can safely say that these guys are not sculpting in the garage, the level is quite high, albeit not without flaws.
      1. -1
        23 December 2018 23: 58
        hi Comrade APASUS, Thank you for your attention! But I don’t want to “try” this shelter on my own, I wouldn’t even take it in my hands, it’s “ugly” in all respects!
        And in my life I have shot enough and "breathed" the powder gar, and my poor ears can no longer stand any shooting, I really hope that in my life I will not even have to shoot from the "oven". smile
        To me, as a mechanical engineer with almost half a century of experience in mechanical processing, from a young age (at about three years old, I first lifted the rusty "mosinka" with which my grandfather supported the cellar doors, and began to study it in detail ... and off we go, my childhood hobby smoothly grew into a profession, especially since my father, by military profession, was an artillery officer and a Design Engineer from God, from childhood he introduced me to the engineering profession and explained in detail all my difficult questions on this topic smile ) not alien to the interest in artillery and small arms, apart from special higher military education on almost the same topic, everything you quoted is obvious from the thickness of the walls of the milled receiver of this craft, along solid guides without a single sample or grooves on them (for disposal dirt and facilitating the movement of the shutter with thickening of the lubricant and nicks of rubbing surfaces), according to the configuration of the command parts themselves and their external milling, according to the non-optimal (frankly, "frontal" - without any engineering "highlight" request ) solving the general scheme of perception of workloads, by the method of attaching the barrel and parts ... and other things, visible to me, but, as I understand it, invisible (?) to you, the nuances.
        This Croatian PCB, so that you know, comrade APASUS, is designed and manufactured according to the "advanced weapons views and technologies" of the beginning of the PAST century (let the fact that CNC machines were used do not deceive you - "computers" only process what is contained in them people, as the first programmers said "at the dawn of the computer era" - "zero at the input = zero at the output!", but you probably know this yourself ?!) - this is complete technical sucks, you can't do that now, even now " my favorite "stamped-welded structures", advanced for the 40-50s of the last century, are relentlessly fading into the past, giving way to plastic composites and 3D printing!
        In my previous answer to our colleague, I was overheated and described in detail how a light, compact and mega-deadly at short distances "PP for an Urka" could be made directly from improvised household items, easily and quickly, under the existing ones (I don't have them!) )) pistol cartridges (since the choice of the optimal automation scheme and the entire design of the weapon being created depends on the power and size of the cartridge - Samuel Moses Browning usually himself designed pistol cartridges and weapons for them, and these cartridges are still produced!). But then I thought about it and decided to erase it. this could "provoke" some handy comrades, especially young ones, to "lawlessness." winked
        So, in the name of general security, without too much detail, just believe (but do not impose !!! smile ) on a word, if I write about some noticed constructive flaw, then at the same time I have a good idea of ​​the ways of a better solution, or even mentally I see ready-made parts-assemblies and layouts in operation, in complex interaction ("assembled" of the entire structure ), since for decades of the pre-personal computer era, my design weapon was a developed "3D imagination", a piece of paper, a drawing board and slide rule, a drawing board, an eraser and patterns .... the arrangement of nodes and the movement of parts was worked out and drawn by the contours of all projections cut out of cardboard. .. this is not to mention the work in the shop, on all machines, even from the "turner" of the school workshop ...
        By the way, taking this opportunity, the question is almost on the topic - maybe someone from the wide audience of VO readers knows the answer: "Is it true that Evgeny Fedorovich Dragunov, when he designed his SVD, all five years drew and corrected his design studies on one and the same the same sheet of Whatman paper, attached to the drawing board at the very beginning of the project, was it really so ?! "- I just heard such a design clue about the history of this wonderful rifle and its amazingly talented Designer!
        1. +1
          24 December 2018 19: 15
          Quote: pishchak
          To me, as a mechanical engineer with almost half a century of experience in machining

          Interesting opinion, thank you for the dialogue
    3. 0
      25 December 2018 12: 17
      Something in my opinion, in comparison with the "Scorpion" in the last photo, it does not look too bulky and overweight. Yes, he is larger than Glock and Beretta, but these are not his competitors. Some of the most recent can be compared with the MP7 if you don't look at the difference in calibers. As Boris Razor used to say: "The severity is good, the severity is reliable."
  5. +1
    23 December 2018 12: 12
    The marking suggested that the submachine gun was made by a certain company R9-Arms from the United States. However, the United States has never had an arms factory of that name, and the American regulatory authorities did not know anything about such weapons.

    Maybe someone has established a smuggling channel from a parallel world where such an enterprise exists. laughing
  6. +2
    23 December 2018 15: 12
    And bastards say that the owners of weapons will be attacked in order to capture the trunks ... And then demand creates supply, it’s easier to buy.
    1. +3
      23 December 2018 18: 08
      Weapon protection is one of the cases for its legal use.

      bully
  7. +1
    23 December 2018 16: 49
    There is an arms cooperative in the Philippines (!), Where any "bullet" from a Smith-Wesson revolver to a 1911 pistol, Uzi-type PP and an AR-15 automatic rifle will be cut out of the rail with just a file.

    If it is not lazy, I will throw pictures from their production place.
    1. +1
      23 December 2018 17: 27
      The master cuts the frame of the revolver, using a vernier caliper to clamp it in a vise. To the left lies the frame blank 1911 ...

    2. +1
      23 December 2018 17: 28
      Filipino policeman showcasing his 1911, bought from the co-op. Sometimes Filipino police officers are "forgotten" to issue service weapons.

      1. 0
        23 December 2018 19: 37
        And give a service pistol to the fig when you can buy them in every gateway or "a gift of conscious citizens"
    3. +2
      23 December 2018 17: 32
      This is what civilized production looks like. Toilet paper - is.

    4. +1
      23 December 2018 17: 35
      OTK - technical control department.

      Shooting finished products on the spot.

    5. +1
      23 December 2018 17: 42
      Blank frame revolver.

    6. +2
      23 December 2018 17: 43
      Ready-made homemade products ...

    7. 0
      23 December 2018 17: 45
      The master sells the finished product.

  8. 0
    23 December 2018 17: 57
    I have a book: "Something from which they shoot in the CIS" A. And Blagovestov and it says: "This PP designed by self-taught mechanic Ivan Vugrek has been produced in Croatia since 1992". The author called this PP: "Agram 2000" it was from such a PP that the notorious Galina Starovoitova was killed.
    1. +4
      23 December 2018 19: 23
      Judging by this picture, Agram-2000 is still a completely different product.

      1. 0
        23 December 2018 19: 54
        hi Yes, this is the Croatian Agram-2000, and Starovoytiha was shot from this! There, the "one-time masterpiece" of the killer was thrown, with a jammed cartridge, it was agram's "birth disease" ... but "in the absence of fish" he was an ersatz "fish", like Chinese TT, in the 90s he was in demand in "narrow circles "...
        1. +1
          24 December 2018 01: 52
          Chinese TTs, like 1911, were of different quality and at a ridiculous price.
  9. +1
    23 December 2018 18: 06
    Quote: English Tarantas
    Lying in pants or wrapped in a rag in the basement, the gun is not very dirty.


    Once in the summer, I wore Glock 43 all the time for a month, (shot from the 17th) and then looked into the barrel, and there ... the dust-webs are just a scribe. Although it was cleaned and the barrel wiped dry with oil.

    I wore it in an inner-belt holster, the trunk was open there. If constantly worn, then once a week you definitely need to wipe the barrel.
  10. +1
    23 December 2018 19: 24
    An interesting topic and a great article. Thanks to the author. Very interesting.
  11. +1
    24 December 2018 01: 21
    Quote: pishchak
    But I did not understand the "intrigue" - about the allegedly "mysterious origin" of this product, as it were underground (after all, the local police know where the location of the "underground production" and the names of the "underground workers" also know, and regularly visit them - makes a "showdown" with the confiscation of products, BUT does not confiscate either premises or equipment ??!, that is, in fact, implicitly "covers" this "company"? !!) "handicraftsmen-


    Good night, dear colleague Pischak!
    I don’t know who is covering anyone there, but in that case, why did the police even need to visit these brothers, and even inform the whole world about the new "miracle weapon". There is no logic. Moreover, one of the Vugrekov brothers in Croatia is almost a national hero because of his D.O.A.C.O.G.O. "Agram" (there is one spring working in tension which is worth it).

    at the gunsmiths Mirko and Ivan Vugrekov. The police did not find any evidence of their participation in the production.


    That is, as I understand it, neither the brothers found the necessary machines or equipment for the production of these P-Ps, or finished parts for assembling full-fledged samples. I repeat, the police (even the Croatian) did not make sense to raid, announce this to the whole world, and then hide something. Well, it does not fit. Although they are Croats, they are still professionals ... whatever they are. smile

    Quote: pishchak

    Actually, I'm talking about the fantastic capacity of the pockets of elders breeches (


    There are not only fantastic riding breeches, but the whole film is a fairy tale with a sad end. I, of course, about the first film "The Dawns Here Are Quiet", because I have not seen the remake and will not go.
    The film is beautiful, the game of actors, directing, and camera work in general is beyond praise. But ... a fairy tale.
    Those who are interested in history remember how the Germans in the 42nd captured Crete with almost one small weapon. Those same paratroopers, albeit at an incredibly expensive price, but they completed the task. And what in reality could these cute girls do against a dozen seasoned wolves? Paratroopers, and even special forces. What shooting training did our anti-aircraft gunners have there? How many times were shot from a carbine? Well, come on, God bless him with everything. I like the film and watch it with pleasure.

    Cyril, thank you very much! hi I didn't think there would be any continuation in the story with Agram. If anything about the manufacturer's incognito comes up, let us know.

    Regards M.Kot. smile
    1. +1
      24 December 2018 01: 48
      (there is one spring working in tension, which is worth)


      Threat ... On the Glocks of generations 1-4, the trigger spring worked in tension and in the fifth generation they did the opposite, in compression.
    2. +1
      24 December 2018 02: 33
      hi And good night to you, dear colleague Sea Cat!
      As for the "protection" of the Vugrekov brothers, I actually made such a joke, everything looks very helpless about the ability of the Croatian police to pinch these brothers!
      Films - "rehash", from modern "rethinkers", I do not look, from them "aftertaste" is filthy, but I still have this stupid "syndrome of perfectionism" - all sorts of technical inconsistencies and "uniform" absurdities, well-fed physiognomies "very much hurt the eye" starving ", ... it's not" Stanislavsky "- I don't" spit "on the screen, but inside I'm starting to get very nervous, I need it ??! smile
      I and the advertised ("positive reviews") "Panfilovites" withstood, strained, 15 minutes and turned off ...
      “The Dawns Here Are Quiet” I love and even, occasionally, I watch (again this summer), like other iconic Soviet films, because real actors played roles in them. Recently, "White Sun of the Desert" was a mood, I revised it, although I know it by heart, but always something new "pops up" to the eye, as in a good picture of a brilliant artist ...
      I also didn’t think that the authors of "Agram" would somehow "appear", but it came out, "milled", from a solid piece of steel, almost a copy of the stamped-welded "Uzi", at least externally ?! Although, in principle, I don’t worry about the Croats at all - I have Serbian blood smile !
      I am sorry for our Russian gunsmiths that, by and large, they are only engaged in "imitation of violent activity (as with the" new "AKs adopted by the Russian Army)" ...
      All the best to you, dear Sea Cat, and many Health !!!
  12. +1
    24 December 2018 02: 23
    ha ha)) looks in terms of processing parts and design no worse than the recently discussed GSh-18)))))
  13. 0
    24 December 2018 15: 53
    a very worthy performance, if it's homemade. Willingly pay reasonable money instead of a smooth-bore
  14. +1
    24 December 2018 21: 37
    Quote: pishchak

    All the best to you, dear Sea Cat, and many Health !!!


    Thanks for your kind words. Have a nice one you too! Happy New Year and all the best! drinks