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Announced a prototype of the newest American assault "super rotor"

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December 12 2018 in the British press was submitted A review of the next-generation assault “super-bolts” of the next generation, which is being developed for the US Army and together with a similar light machine gun, should replace both the M50 / M16 created more than 4 years ago and the M249 light machine gun.


As you know, for many decades of the domination of the M16 by the American gunsmiths there have been repeated attempts to replace it, however, to the mass introduction in the US Army of infantry weapons New types they did not bring.

However, it seems, the leadership of the Pentagon decided to change the situation. Recently, a presentation of a light new machine gun, created by a pool of American military corporations, including Texton, was organized, and just yesterday, in addition to this, a new example of an assault rifle of the same concept was presented.

The main difference between the new types of small arms intended for the American army is that they decided to switch from 5,56 mm to 6,8 mm.


The prototype of the newest light machine gun of the US Army caliber 6,8 mm. Image source: www.wallpaperup.com


However, the new light machine gun and assault rifle will not only have more weight and accuracy of the bullet with an overall lower weight. It is believed that, thanks to a number of know-hows, this weapon will have a huge penetrating ability and “the bullets fired from it will be able to penetrate any perfect protection for the body, both modern and the one that is only being developed now and which we will only know about in the near future ”(quoted from the self-confident statement of the American General Mark Milli).

The American senior officer also reported that the pressure in the camera of the classic M16 is 45 kilo-pounds per square inch, whereas in the new assault rifle it will be much larger than the 60 KSI, which is comparable to the pressure in the tank gun chamber.

Also, the American general noted that new types of small arms will allow shooting at much greater distances with higher accuracy.

It is generally considered that the above caliber 6,8 mm, located between 5,56 mm and 7,62 mm, is “far-fetched”, “ineffective”, it “came from nowhere”, etc. To dispel doubts in this matter, say the following.

This caliber proved its effectiveness a century ago, and in recent decades in Western countries there has been a certain tendency to use precisely 6,5-6,8 mm calibers. In particular, in 2008, Dr. Harry Roberts, a ballistics expert and former American officer fleet, publicly announced the chronic problems of mass American small arms that have not been resolved in decades, and announced the urgent need to rearm the American army with a new caliber.

He also made an analysis and revision of 1920-s data on the use of .276 caliber ammunition (“Peterson caliber”), on the basis of which he made his conclusions. But, as you know, the production of the Garand T3E2 rifle was halted in favor of the weapon .30 caliber, because a more powerful caliber was then considered redundant.

Then, after World War II, the X-NUMX-mm T-7,62 cartridge was created in the USA, which had almost perfect ballistic characteristics for the .65 caliber. This, along with the interests of a number of American industrial lobbyists, forced NATO to take it as a standard rifle cartridge instead of .30 (270 mm) and .6,8 (280 mm) calibers options.

In addition, the idea of ​​the end of the 1950-s about the need to move to a light assault rifle led to the adoption of the US Army 5,56 mm caliber, based on the .223 caliber (“Remington”, often used in the US in hunting for small game).

And for a long time, light and high-speed bullets were considered not only more accurate, but also causing more devastating injuries due to the "tumbling effect" and "hydrostatic shock." However, military practice has shown the fallacy of such interpretations. In this connection, in 2002, the US military officials finally launched a program to search for new calibers for light rifles.


Types of used, adopted and developed small arms of the US Army. Image source: http://soldiersystems.net


In 2004, during complex ballistic studies, it was found that the best defeat of the human body covered with various types of body armor is provided by 6,5-7 mm caliber (the assessment was made for mm 5,45, 6 mm, 6,5 mm and 6,8 mm). The result of this was the report adopted in 7, according to which the best ballistic properties were recognized for the 7,62 mm cartridge, on the basis of which new standard ammunition was created, which were handed over for testing by one of the US special forces groups.

It is not known where the new caliber was tested in combat conditions, but, one way or another, the American special forces were very pleased with the results. True, apparently, successful field trials were not enough, and the "undercover games" delayed the development of the program for the introduction of a new caliber for a few more years.

It was necessary to conduct new large-scale studies conducted for the 2015 year, so that the results obtained using the 6,8 mm caliber were confirmed.

Based on this, a number of experts proposed a re-equipment program for the M16 to a new type of assault rifle with a caliber 6,8 mm. However, there were no plans to introduce radical changes in the new type of weapon, but it was recommended to switch to an intermediate caliber using the old M16 / M4 platforms (introducing a new cartridge shell, a new type of bullet, a new recoil reduction system, a new aiming system, etc. ).

But, apparently, the officials from the Pentagon this time wanted to get a qualitatively newer, revolutionary weapon. The result of the choice (despite the adoption of the M16 upgrade program for a new caliber) was the draft of the newest assault "super-screw", in fact, developed from scratch, but taking into account the technologies and design solutions tested by decades for the M16.

Another, very important innovation, judging by the statements of the US military, is the use of a new integrated fire control system. This is done through the use of the new FWS-I gun sights family, operating on an all-in-one basis. According to General Milli, after proper training, "all this will literally make a quantum leap in the shooting skills of an individual fighter."

In this case, it is believed that this integrated fire control system will allow the combat radius of each soldier operating as part of a small unit, as adopted by the American army, to be expanded from 300 to 600 meters.

However, as Daryl Islik, an expert on rifle training, emphasized, good shooting skills are basic, and each recruit must begin with training on conventional iron sights, gradually moving to more advanced models.

According to the American expert, the tests showed that if the soldier is already shooting well, the newest fire control system will be more useful to him, and he will use more of its capabilities than the less competent shooter.


Source: https://gdb.voanews.com


In addition, the above expert noted that the new small arms (light machine gun and assault "super-screw") expands the firepower of an individual soldier, but not necessarily the entire squad. Just with the 6,8 caliber mm, a small tactical group will have a greater distance of fast effective damage.

It is separately noted that the introduction of new weapons will not cause radical tactical changes in the actions of American soldiers, and the terrain on which military operations will take place will prove to be a more significant, in fact, decisive factor.

So, an American expert said that dense jungle or forest greatly reduces the line of sight and levels the expanded capabilities of the lesion ranges.

It is also recognized that the expansion of the tactical combat radius of the individual soldier will be leveled by the dense urban development. However, according to the Americans, with a significant increase in penetration power and shot power in caliber 6,8 mm will allow shooters to work more effectively against certain types of shelters.

The first shipments of the assault "super-screw" and the new light machine gun to the US Army are expected in the summer of 2019, and at the same time supplies of new night vision systems and the latest generation of integrated aiming systems are expected.

It is planned to rearm most of the American army with new types of small arms and equip them with integrated fire control systems by 2023.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 13 December 2018 05: 57
    +2
    And then all the same, the warriors will use Kalash!
    1. Strashila
      Strashila 13 December 2018 06: 23
      +1
      Life will make you take in your hands and PCA. And given the penetration ability of the TT cartridge at close range it will be just that.
      1. VictorZhivilov
        VictorZhivilov 19 December 2018 23: 18
        +1
        Life will make you take in your hands and PCA.

        Why, PCA? So you can reach the PPD. lol
        In my humble opinion, Aleksey Ivanovich Sudaev created a very successful submachine gun. Having a decisive competitive advantage over PCA.
        The most essential feature of PPS is the simplicity of design and manufacturability. It is almost entirely assembled from stamped parts joined by welding and rivets. Consumption of materials per unit of PPS is three times less than per unit of PPSh-41. Source: https://smallarms.ru/article?arms=pps&ld=16&pg=1


        Portrait of a photographer at the political department of the 311st Rifle Dvina Red Banner Order of the Suvorov Division and photo correspondent of the For the Motherland division newspaper, Sergeant Daniil Fedorovich Onokhin (1914-2003) with a Sudaev submachine gun (PPS). On the sergeant’s chest is visible the medal “For Military Merit” (awarded on 26.04.1943/XNUMX/XNUMX).
        And given the penetration ability of the TT cartridge at close range it will be just that.

        That's just it ... but, something of proper commercial support, we do not have this ammunition. Ah, the specifications are impressive ...
        1. Horse, people and soul
          Horse, people and soul 15 March 2019 11: 43
          0
          Do not confuse people.

          This is not the same 7,62x25 that was produced in the USSR with a whole-shell bullet and a lead core.

          This bullet in the video is expansive hollowpoint, which is forbidden to use in a war under pain of responsibility for war crimes.

          If you look at how the Soviet bullet works on gelatin, then there is nothing fabulous there. A narrow wound channel right through and that's it. Exactly like the .45 ACP with one-piece bullet, only the "hole" is smaller.
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 13 December 2018 09: 07
      0
      Another advertisement. You just have to vparit.
    3. parkello
      parkello 14 December 2018 14: 11
      0
      I read all the comments here, and I understood one thing, Fedor agrees only with you. the AKM or AK of old modifications was the most relevant barrel, and it has remained to this day. and the warriors will take it for the database. as well as for entertaining post-shootings, boastfully declaring accuracy and accuracy, many more trunks will be sorted out. the most optimal machine today AK-400. personally, I and all my friends choose him. and in the trunks we understand a little. why this barrel, and not AKM or Ak-74M, for example ... because the AKM doesn’t shoot two at a time, and the AK-74 uses neither a silencer nor a BZT bullet, and at distances of more than 300 m it’s not much suitable. even with PP bullets, it is still inferior to the old 7,62 in terms of the damaging factor. and the recoil and withdrawal of the barrel to the right can be balanced by an improved DTK or a flame arrester. and the ammunition 7,62 * 39 mm is the best example among intermediate cartridges.
  2. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 13 December 2018 06: 21
    +1
    One thing I can’t understand is why you need more caliber, if you want to increase power, improve the ammunition. Do not like the 5,56 mm caliber, switch to 7,62 mm, apply the latest achievements of technology and science, plastic sleeves, telescopic ammunition, new charges of gunpowder, improved aerodynamics, etc. There is no need to reinvent the wheel.
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 13 December 2018 12: 58
      +1
      5.56 and 7.62 have already exhausted their modernization potential. There is a plus in this transition. As a result, the trunk will be a little heavier than the MKX with a slight increase in the wearable BC, ballistics is about 5.56, energy is slightly less than 7.62x39. So the golden mean good
      1. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 13 December 2018 22: 38
        +1
        So what’s the problem, if 5,56 and 7,62 caliber doesn’t suit you, 9 mm is possible, for example, AS Val and VSS Vintorez, ASH-12,7 can also be used, fights take place at a maximum distance of 250-300 meters, forces of 100-150 meters, and do not listen to all these stories about knightly fights at distances of 700-800 meters, all this came from hopelessness, all this refers to the ordinary infantryman. We even have a combat instruction for firing, where it is clearly written up to 300 meters for conventional weapons, snipers with M24 up to 600-800 meters, and when there were Barett M82A1 rifles, then up to 1000-1200 meters, taking into account what costs optoelectrics throne sight with a laser. Yes, I heard and read that there were such aces who in Iraq and Afghanistan fired at a range of 2000-2500 meters, but all this for a small cohort of pros and nothing real in a normal battle. So here I come back to the question , why produce more calibers, they write here for the special forces, nonsense, for the special forces everyone has already developed, just create new ammunition and the weapon itself, so to speak, the special series and everything. I understand that in the USA it is possible and almost every footman, janitor or a mechanic imagines himself a constructor, but do not be likened to them.
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 13 December 2018 06: 27
    +2
    As one front-line soldier told me, there is nothing worse than a properly organized volley of three-rulers.
    1. not main
      not main 13 December 2018 23: 33
      0
      Quote: Strashila
      As one front-line soldier told me, there is nothing worse than a properly organized volley of three-rulers.

      Once (in childhood) I read a book about Oleko Dundich. So he stopped the cavalry in volleys of three rulers! Three lines, and each successively volley! the machine gun is resting!
  4. alex-cn
    alex-cn 13 December 2018 06: 50
    +4
    That's because a century ago they talked about the sufficient effectiveness of the cartridge 6,5, well, they left the intermediate three-line. This can still be understood in the years 43-44, it was hard to change production very dramatically. But then, when did the transition to the small-caliber cartridge go, what prevented a complex of tests? I don’t understand ... or are you so carried away by ideas from behind a hill?
    Yes, and about new Western weapons, doubts gnaw me ... Our sworn partners can not create anything new suitable for a serious war.
    1. Alex koch
      Alex koch 13 December 2018 10: 30
      +4
      Nothing interfered, so the tests were carried out, you can read at Dvoryaninov

      Options for intermediate cartridge arr. 1943 caliber 6,5-7,62 mm (2 - 9) in comparison with a rifle cartridge (1), a German 7,92 mm automatic cartridge (10) and 7,62 mm TT cartridge (11)
  5. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 13 December 2018 07: 12
    +2
    Here's what's interesting:
    chamber pressure the classic M16 is 45 pounds per square inch, while in the new assault rifle it will be much larger more than 60 KSI

    What about reliability? Where will this pressure go if you dip such a "super rifle" into mud and sand and actively fire shots for 1000? Modern technologies - "Hurray!", Of course, but the rapid loss of performance characteristics under real combat conditions to win is not advertising statements for journalists to make.
    1. Decimam
      Decimam 13 December 2018 09: 25
      +3
      After dipping the weapon in the mud with sand, it is "used" either by the testers, or by the formidable couch warriors, hardened in battles such as "Medal of Courage". Ordinary soldiers protect weapons from dirt.
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 13 December 2018 09: 33
        +2
        Yes Yes. Tidy Americans for this reason in Vietnam exchanged their polished sparkling but jammed farts for Soviet AKs.
        Pysy "couch warriors" just do not answer the question of how an increase in pressure in the chamber affects the reliability of the mechanism, but copy-paste phrases about "couch warriors"
        1. Decimam
          Decimam 13 December 2018 09: 35
          +4
          What "chamber" pressure are you interested in? Or did you mean the pressure in the barrel?
        2. Decimam
          Decimam 13 December 2018 13: 02
          +4
          "The American senior officer also said that the chamber pressure of the classic M16 is 45 kilopounds per square inch, while the new assault rifle will be well over 60 KSI, which is comparable to the chamber pressure of a tank gun. "
          About the "pressure in the chamber", which, according to some "experts", will sharply reduce the reliability. Such pressure in the bore of small arms is no longer uncommon. The same 6,5 × 47 mm Lapua develops 63 ksi and no one calls it a cannon round. It's just that the article, through the efforts of journalists, is filled with all sorts of hyperboles such as a super-rifle, a tank gun, and so on, designed for amateurs.
      2. alex-cn
        alex-cn 13 December 2018 10: 37
        +6
        That's when they press it from a machine gun, you dive into a puddle without thinking ... and the last thing you remember is the purity of the rifle.
        1. Decimam
          Decimam 13 December 2018 11: 12
          +5
          Diving into a puddle under machine-gun fire, you will think about the purity of the rifle in the first place. You’ll have to breathe through the trunk. And the trunk will be dirty - suffocate. So keep your weapons clean.
          1. alex-cn
            alex-cn 13 December 2018 11: 27
            +1
            joke accepted
            1. Korax71
              Korax71 13 December 2018 13: 03
              +3
              The trouble is that there is only a fraction of the joke in this joke. At one time, Rothny was screwing so that any mark could envy the purity of a trusted AK. There is no 100% reliable weapon. It is correctly and timely served.
              1. Decimam
                Decimam 13 December 2018 13: 25
                +1
                The couch troops have a different approach, they have weapons cleaning - it's like a "trap" in the zone, so they take into service only those samples that do not require maintenance.
                1. alex-cn
                  alex-cn 13 December 2018 13: 34
                  0
                  Naturally, outside the battle - where without cleaning, but not under fire ... All the same, Kalashnikov is not m 16, where there is a special pedal for sending a cartridge when the chamber is clogged
                2. g1washntwn
                  g1washntwn 13 December 2018 13: 48
                  +4
                  Medal to you in the form of ottoman. The purity of the weapon is an uncontested value, but exactly until that moment until you have to shoot, emerging from the mud. And you about sofas and about sofas ... well, who has something that hurts. By the way, for the future, trying to troll someone with sofas has long been a terry bad manners. For this I will leave you alone with your ignorance.
                  1. Decimam
                    Decimam 13 December 2018 14: 32
                    +2
                    You see, I’m already at such an age that it’s hard to change habits, so the troll is old-fashioned - sofas. Moreover, in relation to this issue, a sofa, it, like AKM, will never become obsolete. After all, as soon as a message about a new rifleman appears somewhere, veterans of these same people, who are moving, troops, immediately make a shamble about the fact that it will not shoot in the sand and mud, and without it it is not a weapon. For this I wish you success.
                  2. Korax71
                    Korax71 13 December 2018 17: 38
                    0
                    When in the midst of a battle of unavailable analogs in the world, a kalashmat will begin to make the brain just because his dunk was dipped in the mud, then in case of survival in such conditions, the ability to keep the weapons entrusted clean comes automatically. More advanced users who do not count on perhaps they develop and improve this skill even at the stage of tactical training. as long as you use the barrel only to the proving ground and vice versa, plus guard duty, you can conduct experiments, such as when it wedges without cleaning. if it is direct e os execution and the reliability of life-depend believe will clean it at any convenient time.
      3. Doliva63
        Doliva63 13 December 2018 18: 12
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        Quote: Decimam
        After dipping the weapon in the mud with sand, it is "used" either by the testers, or by the formidable couch warriors, hardened in battles such as "Medal of Courage". Ordinary soldiers protect weapons from dirt.

        Dirt - it can be different. For example, carbon deposits. Shot 2-3 magazines in a row, changed position, equipped, pull the bolt - and he, the infection, "does not want". This was the case with the AKC. This was not the case with AKMS.
        1. Decimam
          Decimam 13 December 2018 19: 43
          +1
          "I shot 2-3 stores in a row, changed position, equipped it, pull the bolt - and he, the infection," does not want ".
          And before 2-3 stores were shot, how many were not cleaned?
        2. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 14 December 2018 11: 09
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          Quote: Doliva63
          Shot 2-3 magazines in a row, changed position, equipped it, pull the bolt - and he, the infection, "does not want". This was the case with the AKC. This was not the case with AKMS.

          this is strange. even with the m-16 this did not happen.
          usually wedged from aluminum stores (they are disposable - reusable)
          two rounds went in place.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 14 December 2018 20: 49
            0
            Quote: Maki Avellevich
            Quote: Doliva63
            Shot 2-3 magazines in a row, changed position, equipped it, pull the bolt - and he, the infection, "does not want". This was the case with the AKC. This was not the case with AKMS.

            this is strange. even with the m-16 this did not happen.
            usually wedged from aluminum stores (they are disposable - reusable)
            two rounds went in place.

            You did not understand. Nothing wedged. Carbon deposits in the shutter in winter, apparently, quickly hardens and the shutter is difficult to distort - the gaps at 5,45 are probably smaller than at 7,62. I'm talking about that. And on hot there are no problems until the barrel "sours".
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 15 December 2018 08: 09
              0
              You did not understand. Nothing wedged.


              Quote: Doliva63
              you pull the shutter - and he, the infection, "does not want"

              it’s just called - wedged
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 16 December 2018 19: 35
                0
                Quote: Maki Avellevich
                You did not understand. Nothing wedged.


                Quote: Doliva63
                you pull the shutter - and he, the infection, "does not want"

                it’s just called - wedged

                You have a problem with a Russian. Wedges - this is when the skew, for example. And here rather - seizes)
  6. riwas
    riwas 13 December 2018 07: 34
    +3
    A new caliber is needed, but only for special forces. Goes massively economically disadvantageous. According to my intra-ballistic calculation, this is a caliber of 6,24 mm (weight - efficiency). More details:
    http://www.sinor.ru/~bukren1/anti_t_b.htm
  7. Decimam
    Decimam 13 December 2018 08: 37
    +6
    In the original article, by the way, there is no word "super-rifle". "More than a rifle: How a new 6.8mm round, advanced optics will make soldiers, Marines a lot deadlier".
    English speakers can view the original https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2018/12/10/more-than-a-rifle-how-a-new-68mm-round-advanced-optics-will -make-soldiers-marines-a-lot-deadlier /
    As regards rearmament, Lieutenant General Paul Ostrovsky, First Deputy Assistant to the Commander of the Ground Forces on Logistics, stated that no more than 100 are rearmament. Friends of Belarus published a good translation of the article on the topic http://www.mil.by/ru/news/000 /.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 13 December 2018 10: 57
      +12
      Quote: Decimam
      rearmament no more than 100

      And how many Americans have infantry now? Without tankmen, signalmen, etc.?
      Quote: Decimam
      English speakers can view the original

      It’s better to see an article in The Military Times that armytimes refers to.

      In general, the article is not very competent.
      It is generally believed that the above 6,8 mm caliber, located between 5,56 mm and 7,62 mm, is “far-fetched”, “ineffective”, it “came from nowhere”, etc.

      Gauges in the region of 6,5 mm were considered optimal for manual automatic weapons even before the WWII. Now these calibers (6,5 × 47 mm Lapua, 6.5mm Grendel, 6.5-284 Norma) are the actual standard for sports shooting at a distance of 500-1000 meters.
      But, as you know, the production of the Garand T3E2 rifle was stopped in favor of the .30 caliber weapon, because a more powerful caliber was then considered excessive.

      .30-06 and was a more powerful caliber. Just .276 in its characteristics (9,1 grams, 730 m / s) was close to the intermediate.
      Unfortunately for Americans, the level of military thought in the United States in general and the gene. MacArthur (who made the decisions on this program) in particular was very far from understanding the possibilities that the intermediate cartridge opened up to the infantry. It was decided to stay on the .30-06 rifle cartridge "due to the large available reserves." Considering how these reserves were sufficient during the subsequent events, everything was clear with MacArthur even then.
      However, military practice showed the fallacy of such interpretations

      Combat practice has shown the correctness of such interpretations. A 5,56 bullet, hitting a limb, could tear it off. However, new circumstances arose.
      In this connection, in 2002, US military officials finally launched a program to search for new calibers for small arms.

      Shooting programs in the US Army go after WWII with virtually no stops. Another thing is that it is of little use.

      Briefly about infantry weapons.

      According to the experience of the PMV, it was believed that an infantry platoon was a machine gunner and the infantrymen covering him. The machine gunner's goal is cavalry and infantry attacking with chains. Accordingly, it was considered reasonable that they are all armed with weapons on a rifle cartridge, which allows them to effectively crush Comrade Budenny's cavalry from Lewis from the greatest possible distance. Now it seems obvious that already during WWI this approach was slightly outdated, but for generals, according to G. Truman, stupidity is not a crime. Accordingly, with this baggage almost all the participants entered WWII, all the changes were the appearance of a single machine gun instead of the easel and the increase in the infantry fire density due to the introduction of a self-loading rifle - SVT and Garand.

      During WWII, all sensible people realized that fire density was driving at relatively close - 100-300 meters - distances. Accordingly, we went to the machine with an intermediate cartridge and a machine gun - watering. This is 7.62x39 and the British .280. However, in addition to sensible people, there were also American staff officers who combined, as is usually the case, minimal competence with maximum conceit. Thanks to these excellent qualities, they managed to push their own version of the same cartridge .30-06, but in a new sleeve. That is, if MacArthur at least put forward economic considerations, then his followers were able to completely change all the infantry and not only weapons, remaining virtually on the old cartridge.

      The Americans had to rake in Korea well to come to the conclusion that something went wrong. Accordingly, they intensified their intermediate cartridge. The technological superiority made it possible to implement a more promising scheme of a low-pulse cartridge with a high-speed bullet. This is more ammunition, a more trajectory trajectory (i.e. it’s easier to shoot even a poorly trained shooter), and low recoil, which increases the accuracy of automatic fire, and the impressive action on the carcass of the M193 cartridge, even if it goes out of place. But, again, they managed to ruin everything. This time they saved up on the brush for cleaning the barrel, as you know. In addition, they blunted with watering, trying to do something like an RPK based on the M16, having come to the RPD - FN Minimi - only by the 84th year. Around the same time, all the problems associated with the M16 were treated. That is, the Soviet-English concept of the infantry division was realized by the Americans with a delay of 40 years.

      And then new circumstances began to reveal themselves.
      First off, the bad guys got the bronics. They tried to correct it with a more armor-piercing cartridge SS109 / M855, but it is clear that the capabilities of the liner impose serious limitations.
      Secondly, a conscript soldier gave way to a professional soldier. Profi is expected to shoot more accurately. In particular, there was actually a refusal to shoot with bursts of assault rifles for most situations.
      Thirdly, quite perfect sights became the standard. It also allowed to increase the distance of fire contact.
      Fourth, the bad guys realized that firing at least from Pecheneg from a long range was the preferred form of fire contact with NATO soldiers.
      Therefore - suddenly! - the situation returned to the realities of the Boer War. A serious cartridge is again in demand, albeit to the detriment of the density of fire. The first answer was an increase in the role of weapons on the cartridge 7,62x51. The second is the decision under discussion.
      I want to believe that this time the partners are not screwed up. What we know about the program - it is joint for the Army, the ILC and Sok - seems to leave a serious impression.
      1. Korax71
        Korax71 13 December 2018 13: 56
        +2
        The M193 for that time was an ideal ammunition, almost any wound led to serious consequences, extensive tissue necrosis around the wound channel and the need for qualified medical assistance is slightly higher than the level of an instructor's level. But on the whole, you are right, the staff officers with rear personnel, as always, managed to ruin everything. the MKA was positioned as a maintenance-free rifle, it is clear that this was a marketing move, but not so far from the truth. When using the appropriate brands of gunpowder, the MTBF even in a "favorable" tropical climate was at a height. Of course, the need for maintenance is not cancels for a single sample of the military. American warriors in the total mass are ultimately a prodigy, but nevertheless of all conflicts they systematize, analyze and make adjustments. today, contact with opponents occurs either at a distance much greater than 400m or in urban development, yes and the building itself since WWI not sickly has changed, as well as the means of individual body armor. if they do not strongly rest against innovations, but begin to proceed from the fact that there is a major effort to upgrade-transfer to a new caliber 6.5 or 6.8 of their m-family, then they will be right , more as the potential is present at non-aerospace costs, along the way continuing the development and limited release of a new CO system with subsequent gradual adoption into service.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 13 December 2018 14: 18
          +4
          Quote: Korax71
          When adopted, the ICA was positioned as a maintenance-free rifle, it is clear that this was a marketing move

          It’s even worse there. Both the AR10 and the M16 were very reliable weapons. Including excellent themselves in the hands of the natives. While in limited use.
          However, when adopting, Colt intervened with its crazy ideas for optimizing costs. The result turned out to be bad to such an extent that they had to arrange a parliamentary investigation. To my knowledge, useless. Who coordinated this wrecking in the MO remained unknown.
          Quote: Korax71
          he is not a child prodigy, but nevertheless of all conflicts they systematize, analyze and make adjustments

          Yes, Americans are famous for their high learning ability. But given their strength, "deep" problems are difficult to spot, especially from the deep rear. Suffice it to recall the recent history of the lack of MRAP.
          Quote: Korax71
          transfer to a new caliber 6.5 or 6.8 of your m-family

          Doesn't make much sense. They already have the 7,62 cartridge, which is better than any "small" upgrade. Either change it seriously (in particular, the high-speed cartridge 6,8mm will gobble up the weapon at 7,62, you will have to revise all tactics), or leave it as it is. The ILC took the improved German rifle at 5,56, Sokom actually switched to 7,62 with the new Belgian rifle.
          1. Korax71
            Korax71 13 December 2018 18: 50
            +1
            I don’t think that grendelles and other calibers will devour 308.This is still more an alternative to 7.62x39, it is closer to it in terms of energy, but surpasses it in other parameters. Why did the kmp turn to NK416 in principle and was justified by the fact that it was built all according to the same AR scheme, with the exception of the gas engine, although this is no longer a problem, everything is solved by installing the kit kit on the MKU.a with their weapon modularity and huge the advantage of 6.8spc is that it fits in a standard store, I think there are still prospects and the release of it as a replacement 5.56 looks justified, if only because the energy loss of the bullet from the firing range is more uniform. It would certainly be nice to see the wound ballistics of this munition, and then take out in rdikt hi
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 13 December 2018 20: 47
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              Quote: Korax71
              grendelles and other calibers will devour 308.this is still more an alternative to 7.62x39

              1. Just 6,5mm calibers with modern long bullets correspond or exceed 7,62x52 in range (in terms of the distance of loss of supersonic bullet velocity) with comparable kinetic energy of the bullet. 2. With the proposed rearmament, this will happen, the infantryman's weapon will become more powerful than a single machine gun. You will have to drag down the KKP, for example, the same LWMMG, or even abandon the "floor" of a single machine gun. In any case, the motive is not sickly. This is not just rearmament, like nk416, all tactics must be changed there.
              Quote: Korax71
              everything is decided by installing the kit kit on the mku

              Modules are not the way to combat weapons.
              Quote: Korax71
              I think there are still prospects and its release as a replacement 5.56 looks justified

              Why introduce a new caliber? Why is it so much better than 5,56 and 7,62? That is, for the shooting range it’s understandable, but for the army?
              I'm talking about the current 6,8 × 43 mm Remington SPC and not about the cartridge under discussion, if that. He is better instead of both of them, but when adopted as a kit, he obviously will not replace them.
              Quote: Korax71
              and then reach a verdict

              The verdict is not for us to issue. To those on whom it depends, he is taken out.
      2. Horse, people and soul
        Horse, people and soul 15 March 2019 12: 00
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        Very colorful, and absolutely in the hole. In the top ten!

        Thank you!
  8. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 13 December 2018 09: 12
    +4
    led to the adoption of the US Army 5,56 mm caliber, based on the .223 caliber (Remington, often used in the United States when hunting small game).

    I apologize, but it mix warm with soft. request How can a diameter (caliber) be based on a cartridge? belay In general, the article is everywhere: caliber, caliber, caliber ... The characteristics of ammunition are based not only on caliber. 7,62x25, .308win, .30-06spr, .300winmag, the calibers are the same, but the possibilities? what
  9. RL
    RL 13 December 2018 10: 38
    +3
    Judging by the photographs, the new cartridge is also bodyless.
    1. Alex koch
      Alex koch 13 December 2018 10: 45
      +2
      With a plastic sleeve, there was an article on VO https://topwar.ru/131180-perspektivnye-patrony-dlya-nareznogo-oruzhiya.html
    2. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 13 December 2018 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: RL
      the new cartridge is also bodyless.

      Telescopic with a plastic sleeve.
  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 13 December 2018 13: 38
    +8
    To withstand high pressures from the barrel and at the same time not to weight the weapon, you will have to use more expensive steel. Which is not easy with mass production. After all, you need a lot of such steel.
    And a larger heat sink. How to combine metal with plastics?
    I would leave the caliber 5.56, but made the armor-piercing bullets standard.
    The Germans made a good NK416 based on the M16 for the American Marines. Increased reliability without compromising accuracy.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 13 December 2018 13: 50
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      use more expensive steel. Which is not easy with mass production. After all, you need a lot of such steel.

      Seriously? With a production volume of 100 thousand rifles, we are talking about a pair of railway metal wagons.
      Another thing is that a hot cartridge strongly blows the barrel. So trunks may need a lot.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And a larger heat sink.

      This is more about a machine gun.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      I would leave the caliber 5.56, but made the armor-piercing bullets standard.

      There are different opinions.
    2. Korax71
      Korax71 13 December 2018 19: 06
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      In fact, Americans do not experience problems with high-quality steel at all, even if our Tarusian tsar’s cannon buys from them. The main problem 5.56 is a sharp drop in energy in the range of 100-300 s. It is more than enough to work on unprotected soft targets at a distance up to 400m. the cartridge itself is amazing, but the changing conditions of hostilities make their own adjustments. And here either 308 or grendeli and other sps hi
  11. Catfish
    Catfish 13 December 2018 17: 26
    +4
    Quote: g1washntwn

    Yes Yes. Tidy Americans for this reason in Vietnam exchanged their polished sparkling but jammed farts for Soviet AKs.


    Good day! hi Zhora, why are you broadcasting this old story again. Only special forces operating in the rear of the Viet Cong changed M-ki for AK. At one time, one of the journalists put this "duck" in print, and now from time to time, no, no, its rotten carcass emerges from the mud. Just imagine for a second where you can get trophy ammunition from in a serious battle. Under enemy fire, you can't really scoff on corpses, and the supply of cartridges for AK from the Yankees in the supply service is not "provided".
    And the special forces of all armies and at all times, working behind enemy lines always used trophy weapons precisely in the expectation that there would be no shortage of captured weapons on that front line.
    And so, yes, he would have preferred AK to any imported bells and whistles. hi
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 13 December 2018 18: 41
      +2
      I can only add a little - in some cases, "captured" weapons could be obtained at the warehouse - all the main samples of NATO weapons were there. But there is one nuance - "special forces" working in the rear, this is usually reconnaissance (from military to special), for which shooting is a kapets task, because they will find it. Therefore, it was believed that their own BC for their weapons should be enough to complete the task, to put it mildly.
      1. Korax71
        Korax71 13 December 2018 19: 14
        +2
        Females worked in Vietnam on the territory of the enemy, their main task was to search for prisoners of war. Sometimes special operations to eliminate enemy bases or individuals. Intelligence in northern Vietnam was carried out either by specially trained Vietnamese, or North Vietnamese or recruited by the CIA. Conducting intelligence operations by persons of the Caucasian race - More fawn than shooting when doing bz.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 14 December 2018 20: 59
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          Quote: Korax71
          Females worked in Vietnam on the territory of the enemy, their main task was to search for prisoners of war. Sometimes special operations to eliminate enemy bases or individuals. Intelligence in northern Vietnam was carried out either by specially trained Vietnamese, or North Vietnamese or recruited by the CIA. Conducting intelligence operations by persons of the Caucasian race - More fawn than shooting when doing bz.

          In order not to be so "fired", the scouts are taught to work in a conspiracy mode, when no one should see you throughout the process, so to speak. According to the standard N10, the group was given "failure" for all its successes, if it was visually detected at least once. With this approach, the race of the performers does not matter. There are, of course, other options, but they do not apply to purely military operations.
      2. garri-lin
        garri-lin 13 December 2018 19: 23
        +1
        To the rear with trophies we went to the Second World War. Depends why they went and where. If it’s not deep and where they shoot constantly, then the enemy may simply not pay attention to the sound. Like in the near rear they shoot, maybe they study and maybe they got drunk and naughty.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 14 December 2018 21: 16
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          Quote: garri-lin
          To the rear with trophies we went to the Second World War. Depends why they went and where. If it’s not deep and where they shoot constantly, then the enemy may simply not pay attention to the sound. Like in the near rear they shoot, maybe they study and maybe they got drunk and naughty.

          My father fought in the Second World War in intelligence. Always used regular PPP.
          Today is a different time, any shooting is recorded and checked. And in general, there is a phrase for all times - the scout ceases to be one when he starts shooting. It came imperceptibly, imperceptibly left, and in the end - either an accurate missile and bomb strike, or an important "tongue" disappeared, or a small-sized nuclear land mine demolished something important, or something else. But nobody saw you there. You weren't there. Theirtamnets). In fact, the range of tasks performed by intelligence is very large. I did not find the books "Fundamentals of combat use ..." in the public domain, so I do not dare to develop this topic laughing
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 14 December 2018 22: 53
            -1
            Intelligence is one thing and reconnaissance and sabotage is quite another. Sometimes I had to shoot. And about the shooting is now fixed. Shooting in WWII was recorded. Not by technology, by people. Plus, the person who sat in the trench filters the shooting himself and on the machine.
  12. K-50
    K-50 13 December 2018 20: 17
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    It is planned to rearm most of the American army with new types of small arms and equip them with integrated fire control systems by 2023.

    Then they will conduct research and find out that the caliber of 7 mm or 7,1 (2, 3, etc.) is even more effective and again it will be necessary to rearm. Because the budget must be mastered, and then next time they will give less. fellow laughing
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 13 December 2018 20: 57
      +2
      Quote: K-50
      Then they will conduct research and find out that the caliber of 7 mm or 7,1 (2, 3, etc.) is even more effective and again it will be necessary to rearm. Because the budget must be mastered, and then next time they will give less.

      You might notice that the American infantry is fighting with weapons 100 years old (M2) or 50 years old (M16) ago.
  13. Catfish
    Catfish 14 December 2018 02: 41
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    Quote: Korax71

    In Vietnam, seals worked on the territory of the enemy, their main task was to search for prisoners of war ....


    In the seventies I read a paperback translated book by Donald Duncan, a sergeant in the Green Berets. The former, by the way. Not agreeing with the authorities in their opinion on the use of "berets", I got under a hood at home and made my legs in the GDR, gla and published a book.
    There are many interesting things about preparation, training, etc. But the most interesting is the description of their campaigns in the Vietnamese rear. About ten Vietnamese "berets" went on reconnaissance. There were two American advisers with them, both sergeants and they did not interfere in the direction of the group's actions. And, interestingly, as soon as the group was thrown out of the turntable, the Vietnamese captain immediately stepped aside and the Vietnamese "boxy" (medical sergeant) took over the command of the unit and the whole group obeyed him unconditionally. And upon returning to the base, everything returned to normal and “boxing” never climbed to the fore. The whole group was silent, the Americans did not interfere either.
    Unfortunately, I don't remember the title of the book, a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then. But I advise you to read. It is always better to know more about our sworn "partner", and the best knowledge is given only by a look from the inside. And then on our site (and not only) there are enough "heroes" who promise to beat the enemy "with one left", or throw hats.
    hi
  14. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 14 December 2018 12: 59
    +1
    No wonder Fedorov Vladimir Grigoryevich, kept a caliber of 6,5 mm

    The 1916 Fedorov assault rifle was designed under the 6,5 mm Japanese cartridge. This was advisable for a number of reasons. According to its data, the Japanese cartridge was quite close to the cartridge proposed by Fedorov to his machine gun in 1913 (the Fedorov cartridge of 6,5 mm caliber was designed as a completely new cartridge for a new weapon). Being smaller and slightly weaker than the Russian cartridge, it could be successfully used in automatic weapons, allowing it to be made more compact, lightweight and tenacious. In Russia at that time there was a significant number of Japanese cartridges, since Japanese Arisaka rifles were in service in a number of military units. The use of these cartridges, and not the establishment of new ones, was, of course, quite justified also from an economic point of view.


    The level of foresight of the designer, Professor Fedorov, never ceases to amaze
    a hundred years later, it "hit" the US military.
    When will it reach our military?
  15. Doliva63
    Doliva63 14 December 2018 20: 43
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    Quote: Decimam
    "I shot 2-3 stores in a row, changed position, equipped it, pull the bolt - and he, the infection," does not want ".
    And before 2-3 stores were shot, how many were not cleaned?

    Are you kidding? However, maybe with the number of stores lied, there could have been more. It has long been. But I remember it for sure: AKMS slammed the butt onto the ground, it cocked up, but the AKC didn’t.
  16. Spike Javelin Touvich
    Spike Javelin Touvich 13 January 2019 19: 17
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    Here I read here komenty brave shooters and experts and sadness and longing in my heart.
    Is there really only one I am so lonely?
    Who used just one barrel in a lifetime. In my case it is AKS74
    Honestly I press on black envy.
    1. 4thParasinok
      4thParasinok 27 January 2019 18: 14
      0
      Quote: Spike Javelin Touvich
      Is there really only one I am so lonely?
      Who used just one barrel in a lifetime. In my case it is AKS74

      you were unlucky. I even had 2 SCS and AKM in the army, and before the army (two-week training camp duty) there was also the AK-74 ...
  17. 4thParasinok
    4thParasinok 27 January 2019 18: 11
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    oil is oil ... And where is the assault rifle itself and its cartridge?
    Article minus.
  18. seacap
    seacap 7 March 2019 22: 42
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    Quote: merkava-2bet
    5,56 mm caliber doesn't suit go to 7,62

    Weight, everything rests on the weight of the wearable b / c and dimensions.
  19. Nikolay Ivanov_4
    Nikolay Ivanov_4 11 March 2019 11: 31
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    The appearance of such bullets is akin to the invention of rifles - the cavalry ceased, like the Teutons, to wrap themselves in armor from head to toe, giving way to dragoons and hussars, I think if you know that your armor will still be pierced, I would rather run without it than strain and get tired of 14kg useless severity (especially on a hike - and whoever ran the famous "ten", he will understand how important it is to be light)
  20. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 15 March 2019 10: 54
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    The prototype of the newest light machine gun of the US Army caliber 6,8 mm. Image source: www.wallpaperup.com


    In this photograph, the article shows a machine gun under a telescopic cartridge, about which the article does not say a word.

    The weapon under this cartridge and the telescopic cartridge itself is a much more interesting topic than just the new American intermediate cartridge between 7.62x51 and 5.56x45.

    There is such a story with this new American "intermediate" cartridge that they still have nothing in the niche of the 1943 Soviet cartridge. The .300 Blackout doesn’t count, it’s a short range and silenced cartridge. That is, the Americans have 7.62x51 and 5.56x45, while in Russia they have 7.62x54, 7.62x39, 5.45x39.

    Americans simply fill a missing niche, although, admittedly, the ballistics of their new 6.8x43 cartridge is very different from 7.62x39 at distances of over 300 meters.