Will there be private military companies in Russia?

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Will there be private military companies in Russia?


In April 2012, at a meeting of the State Duma, when hearing the report of the Prime Minister on the results of the work of the Government, the question of creating a system of private military companies in Russia (PMCs) was discussed.

V. Putin believes that PMCs of Russia will be able to assume not only the functions of guarding facilities and training foreign military units, but also implement the plans of the Russian state to protect its national interests in foreign countries.

Currently in the world there are more than one hundred PMCs, most of which are registered in the United States, France and the United Kingdom. The scope of their actions from consulting services in the field of security, protection of facilities, material and military supplies, training of power units to developments in the field of modern weapons. They work under contracts concluded with major corporations, governments, and power ministries. PMCs successfully implement special tasks, allowing governments of their countries to stay away from the results of operations.

Now the draft regulatory act governing the formation and operation of Russian PMCs has been submitted for consideration.

Of course, this draft legislative act is to be coordinated by the committees of the State Duma and the power ministries. There is no doubt that many articles of the document will cause a conflict of interest between the PMCs and already existing structures. For example, it is proposed that PMCs will have the rights and status of military-political cooperation. This situation may cause protest from Rosoboronexport, which today is a monopolist in the supply of Russian weapons for export. Also simultaneously with the adoption of this law, it is necessary to make changes to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation: article 208 provides that the creation of an armed unit is a criminal offense. Also, when creating the market for services of private military companies in Russia, it will be necessary to make changes in other legislative acts, for example, in the law on security activities.

It should be noted that regardless of the fact that in Russia there are a huge number of companies that wish to engage in this business, the bureaucratic machine significantly slows down the process of entry of domestic PMCs to the international level. Officials fear that the creation of Russian PMCs will lead to the emergence in the country of trained and well-armed people, independent of the state machine.

At present, the functioning of PMCs is not only a profitable business, but also an effective tool of the state’s foreign policy. The presence of PMCs in the "hot spots" of the planet will expand the sphere of influence of Russia. It will provide the country with new allies, will allow to receive interesting intelligence and diplomatic information, which, ultimately, will create weight for Russia in the world community.

Today, Russia is one of the countries that do not use the services of PMCs abroad. Russian business operating in unstable regions of the world rarely uses PMC services. Although, having domestic PMCs, Russia gets the opportunity to protect its interests and business in the territory of foreign countries, especially those that have a difficult military, economic and political situation. PMCs can take over the protection of facilities and the protection of the life of Russian specialists on the territory of third countries, as well as engage in training local law enforcement forces, demining and disposing of ammunition, and repelling the attack of bandit formations.

It should be noted that Russian companies-analogues of PMCs exist, but they are very few in number. After all, in the world market of PMC services, the main customers are government agencies (for example, in the USA it is the Department of State and Command), transnational corporations and international organizations. It is clear that Russian PMCs also do not have to rely on contracts with American customers. Unfortunately, even Russian companies, such as Lukoil, prefer to enter into contracts with foreign PMCs.

Russian specialists, possessing the necessary professional knowledge and level, work in the US-British PMCs (as a rule, the payment for their work is several times lower than that of the citizens of these countries).

The domestic companies “Feraks”, “RSB-Group”, “Tiger Top Rent Security”, “Redut-Antiterror”, “Antiterror-Orel” worked on the PMC market quite successfully (by Russian standards). They worked in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kurdistan, Sri Lanka and in other difficult world regions.

A Russian company is effectively operating in the Gulf of Aden, which carries out shipowners' orders for the protection of ships.

On the territory of Russia, there are quite powerful (in terms of resources, experience, number of professional employees) foreign PMCs. The number of fighters in some, reaches 450 people. Their activities on the territory of Russia are extremely dangerous, since, under contracts, they carry out the tasks of NATO and their allies. For example, the American-British PMC ArmorGroup managed to become part of the Russian Engineering Union, and, therefore, gained access to the country's strategic industry. The company Group 4 Falck has formed in the post-Soviet space a network of its units. Hosted in Central Asia, PMC Group 4 Securitas Uzbekistan has the ability to conduct operations against Russia, using the Transcaucasian and Central Asian springboards. In the center of Moscow is the office of the largest foreign PMC (Raytheon), the customer of which is the Pentagon.

But, despite the fact that the world market of PMC services has already been formed, Russian companies still have a niche that they can occupy.

Perhaps the largest Russian companies operating in the foreign market will create their PMCs within their own structures.

Another option: the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan, dissatisfied with the work of American private companies, may conclude contracts with Russian companies. Moreover, the experience of the Russian cargo escort groups on the territory of Iran has been available since 2005. Even such a seemingly simple task, such as cargo transportation, is fraught with danger: various gangster groups control the territory, problems with coalition forces deployed in Iraq are possible, it is also vital to know and comply with local customs and laws.

It is known that many veterans from the cities of the Urals (Yekaterinburg, Perm, Kurgan, Orenburg, Chelyabinsk) have agreements with partners from other countries on the participation of Russian specialists in operations conducted in “hot spots”. Therefore, today it is necessary to secure this right at the legislative level.

The UN working group has prepared a draft convention on the regulation of private military companies. It is expected that in September 2012, it will be reviewed by the Human Rights Council. In case of ratification of this convention by Russia, domestic PMCs will have the opportunity to work according to international rules.

Materials used:
http://www.rosbalt.ru/business/2012/05/31/986974.html
http://nnm.ru/blogs/broken_1/chastnye-voennye-kompanii-v-rossii-3/
http://maramus.livejournal.com/17646.html
http://topwar.ru/12400-naemniki-vsegda-v-cene.html
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  1. Aleksey67
    +14
    8 June 2012 08: 37
    I think it's a good thing. On the one hand, many tough guys will make good money legally, and will not go to crime on the other side of the company, leading projects in troubled territories will receive the legal right to protect their facilities and employees. Again, it is a relief for the army, there will be no "plugging holes" with soldiers.
    1. Dmitry.V
      +10
      8 June 2012 09: 44
      So that even in the event of a military conflict they were not overbought by the enemy. By the way, it seems to me that this is some kind of alternative to contract soldiers
    2. vadimus
      +7
      8 June 2012 10: 18
      Correctly! Than work on bandos, better on garlic. But, under the tight control of the state, for specialists are weapons of mass destruction ...
    3. itr
      +8
      8 June 2012 10: 38
      Why are they needed in Russia! Everything will be changed at our place and these ghouls (PSC and security) will now walk around Russia and terrorize the population with rifled. And all the same conscripts will be sent to the war. War is war and the budget in the Ministry of Defense is not rubber. If there are contractors, then he will stop at them. And then something and the hell of loafers in the country
      1. Mahamont
        +3
        8 June 2012 11: 14
        This is not necessary. Among these "ghouls" there are also quite normal guys.
        1. itr
          -1
          8 June 2012 12: 28
          in private security companies and security organizations no more than 10 percent of the remaining parasites, and mediocrity, etc. etc.
          1. +2
            8 June 2012 21: 30
            I would take you with me, I’m a simple driver, a security guard, and I’ll look at you such a good guy
      2. +2
        8 June 2012 11: 26
        PMCs - not funded from the state budget - these are commercial structures - they earn themselves, the RF Ministry of Defense will not spend money on them from its budget (unless, of course, they conclude a withdrawal contract for maintenance and protection of what the military should do), about the war - officially PMCs are not have the right to participate in hostilities and have weapons, equipment, ammunition and equipment in service with the country where they are assigned. and what about what "pereherachat" - so it depends on the mentality of the staff, the legal framework, working conditions and payment.
        1. re321
          -9
          8 June 2012 11: 32
          In general, everything, as always, is Russia’s lagging behind the USA in this topic for decades ...
          The civilized world has long understood and most importantly - ALREADY INTRODUCED the practice of using PMCs to resolve their issues around the world, and in Russia, only Putin "thinks and thinks" ... lol
          1. biglow
            +1
            8 June 2012 16: 51
            not for tens of years, but for hundreds and thousands, but better for millions of years .... with a margin, so to speak
          2. kuzmich
            -1
            8 June 2012 21: 48
            Putler and co., In my opinion they are afraid, but what if some PMCs are hired against them. In general, I want and are pricked))
            1. +2
              9 June 2012 13: 48
              If you follow your logic, then, rather, on the contrary, everything must be imagined:
              What if the person you call Putler recruits them against the people? And if that doesn’t work out, there is always an excuse. Like, private traders themselves screwed up, and the government is good, did not know ...
              1. kuzmich
                -1
                14 June 2012 18: 44
                yyy, why should Putler hire PMCs, he has a whole kgb, cc and invincible. But I didn’t know the media under control would do how the authorities would be profitable. This is what I say as a logistician)))
            2. +1
              9 June 2012 16: 51
              PMCs mainly work abroad .......
          3. +1
            9 June 2012 16: 50
            here I agree, mercenarism is prohibited by law; we need to adjust the law ............
      3. party3AH
        +1
        8 June 2012 11: 34
        Quote: itr

        Why are they needed in Russia! Everything will be changed at our place and these ghouls (PSC and security) will now walk around Russia and terrorize the population with rifled. And all the same conscripts will be sent to the war. War is war and the budget in the Ministry of Defense is not rubber. If there are contractors, then he will stop at them. And then something and the hell of loafers in the country

        How is this why? many men go idle, the service under the contract does not appeal to low wages, and there is grabbing adrenaline or worthy earnings, the main thing is that people are with their heads. I work as a manager bully it seems that everything’s not bad, but sometimes the desire for all the clients to hit the tower on the tower got too cranky, I remember my former service and term and contracts, I would gladly have drafted into the army, but I wouldn’t stretch out my daughter and wife for 15 thousand rubles, and would have gone to PMCs .
        1. Oleg0705
          +1
          8 June 2012 18: 12
          It turns out their services can be used by a private person or even another state? Tokma pay ..
          1. +2
            9 June 2012 16: 53
            outline the list of permitted tasks, and under the control of the FSB ............ everything will be hockey
        2. party3AH
          +1
          8 June 2012 19: 07
          oh, minuses went, for which only xs request
          1. 0
            8 June 2012 22: 25
            party3AH
            The fact is that the desire to leave for the service arising from the need for someone to knock on the tower smells bad. Such motivation can lead very far. By the way, usually people with similar motivation after getting into a bad place, where bullets hiss and rustle shells rustle, the desire to serve disappears for some reason. Why would that be?
            I believe that the personnel of PMCs have a very high risk of being hit by bullets - no one will pay money for no reason, right?
            Believe me, I do not want to offend you. I just think that, again, people who want to take up arms from the fact that there is a desire to put someone on the tower should be cut off at the interview stage, in view of that. that they usually do not contribute to increasing the combat effectiveness of the unit, but rather negatively affect the moral climate. From that and minus.
            1. 755962
              +2
              8 June 2012 22: 39
              It depends on which "conductor" will lead this "orchestra" ..... and on whose notes ..
              1. +1
                8 June 2012 22: 55
                755962
                Nuuuu, here I agree with you ... completely and unconditionally. A normal commander will "educate" his children. But, you must admit, having as a person covering you, a mercenary who has not taken the oath, who took an automatic machine in his hands just out of a desire to have a thrill (not to mention hitting towers) cannot be considered as a reliable person - the motivation is not that. The stump is clear, people are different, but personally I would not really rely on a person who can send everything to hell at any moment and break the contract. at the risk of getting off with only a fine (as opposed to a normal double bass).
                1. Arc76
                  +3
                  9 June 2012 10: 36
                  And why do you see the smiley person who has taken the oath as reliable, from that, that grace immediately descends or something? I’ll not say for myself. For I was an 18 year old kid who got into the army under duress, but when I went on a business trip as an adult man I felt he was already a professional who himself chose his own path and occupation, including for material reasons, that is, he was the person who gets the money for it. Upon arrival, I bought the first car by the way, as I remember now, I went for it.
                2. 0
                  9 June 2012 17: 00
                  we all take the oath during our military service, so do not sin against the truth
              2. Cadet787
                +1
                8 June 2012 23: 40
                755962.
                I agree that it is fraught to keep an uncontrolled army in the country, it’s worthwhile to think about their status, subordination, etc.
                1. 0
                  9 June 2012 17: 02
                  a decision will be made, all the nuances will be resolved
              3. 0
                9 June 2012 16: 58
                this is the nuances of production. It is likely that they will be headed by seasoned species behind the cordon, who know the specifics of the actions and mentality of opponents
            2. party3AH
              0
              9 June 2012 08: 34
              Quote: smile
              I believe that the personnel of PMCs have a very high risk of being hit by bullets - no one will pay money for no reason, right?
              Believe me, I do not want to offend you. I just think that, again, people who want to take up arms from the fact that there is a desire to put someone on the tower should be cut off at the interview stage, in view of that. that they usually do not contribute to increasing the combat effectiveness of the unit, but rather negatively affect the moral climate. From that and minus.

              Here I am about the same that the office environment is disgusting, I would like to return to the old "good" times when you go into security or on a sweep with the same guys like you, when it gets terribly scary and thinks like this I will go home like this, then somehow everything dissolves, but for 10 years everything has been pulling and pulling back.
            3. 0
              9 June 2012 16: 55
              we have a bunch of people related to weapons, it’s a sin not to use their potential for the good of the motherland
      4. 0
        9 June 2012 13: 44
        I agree! In our conditions, it will be another (along with private security companies and corrupt security forces) instrument to protect someone's commercial interests. And an armed tool! The interests of the Motherland are not protected for money! There is no need to be like amerikos - the whole world can see from their example that "paid" soldiers - soldiers just haven't gotten in the face yet ...
        1. 0
          9 June 2012 17: 05
          Is America really an example for us, on whose interests it’s cheap to defend .... there’s not enough Afghan, or perhaps the guys are expensive, they are clearing the interests of the motherland around the world
      5. 0
        9 June 2012 16: 48
        it is an effective tool for penetration, consolidation, preparation, and little else: a sin to refuse such a thing .......
  2. Igor
    +4
    8 June 2012 08: 43
    These PMCs are a necessary thing, they can be assembled under one roof (preferably private, but under strict state control) of former special forces, foshniki and fsbshnikov.
    1. Redpartyzan
      +2
      8 June 2012 09: 22
      Interesting idea. Mercenaries, soldiers of fortune. With strict state regulation, it is quite realistic to create PMCs in Russia. Good soldiers will never hurt.
      1. party3AH
        +2
        8 June 2012 11: 38
        At least a lot of those who are out of work will regain what they lacked, and yet they are not snotty boys who shot at the shooting range from the Kalash store and forward to the front, and sensible men who know what they get into either zinc in their home or rustling in your pocket.
      2. party3AH
        +1
        9 June 2012 08: 52
        Quote: Redpartyzan
        Interesting idea. Mercenaries, soldiers of fortune. With strict state regulation, it is quite realistic to create PMCs in Russia. Good soldiers will never hurt.

        Like the Foreign French Legion, the same mercenaries but under the wing of the president, the personal army of the supreme ...
  3. Crumbumbes
    +2
    8 June 2012 08: 44
    on the one hand, of course, it would be necessary, in such matters as with Syria, etc. (if, what the government has nothing to do with, purely economic interest of one or another company (PMC) and even in terms of the latest developments, there will be competition between PMCs, this also good (it's always good that someone wants to do better and cheaper than the other)
  4. werr17
    0
    8 June 2012 08: 48
    we don’t need that. there are two troubles in Russia: fools and roads. and these fools will only care about profit. Private military companies are the lot of the West. but we are not on the way with the decaying west!
    1. Igor
      +4
      8 June 2012 08: 51
      Did you call us so tolerant that they weren't good?
      1. +5
        8 June 2012 11: 37
        Hello hello.
        Probably werr17 meant this.
        But seriously, the thing is necessary, to a fig of real professionals who fool around fooling about the inability to use their skills to good use. If Russian companies use PMC services, then at least it’s not smart to feed competitors.
    2. Aleksey67
      +2
      8 June 2012 08: 55
      Quote: werr17
      and these fools will only care about profit

      The government will have strong levers of influence on PMC activities, one licensing of activities and its prolongation which are worth it and this is only one way, and their ... smile
      1. +3
        8 June 2012 11: 18
        Alexei, for some reason it seems to me that all of these licensing will be another way for the government to fill a pocket sad we always do, the trouble of our country is corruption sad
    3. party3AH
      +1
      8 June 2012 11: 40
      Quote: werr17

      we don’t need that. there are two troubles in Russia: fools and roads. and these fools will only care about profit. Private military companies are the lot of the West. but we are not on the way with the decaying west!

      If you have not noticed many PMCs (of other states) sell their services to Russian companies and again these fighters work on Russian territory!
  5. Ridder
    +2
    8 June 2012 08: 50
    And what actually turns out to be? Is Russia ready for this, yes it is profitable, but first it will be necessary to invest a lot of money, this will cause a conflict among the security forces, is this necessary? Yes, of course, this has its drawbacks and its advantages. It is necessary to evaluate the pros and cons, create a document where everything is red-handed and clearly prescribed.
    1. Igor
      +4
      8 June 2012 08: 59
      Quote: Ridder
      it will cause a conflict among law enforcement agencies is it necessary?


      The Ministry of Internal Affairs will open its own mitten for them, after all, they have their own security office, which sits at the facilities and wipes their pants, especially their "professionalism" manifested itself when the Wahhabis in Ingushetia seem to have blown up a hydroelectric power station.
  6. +1
    8 June 2012 09: 00
    I am for both hands.
    But the most important thing is not to be present in the country with weapons
    1. Igor
      +3
      8 June 2012 09: 04
      Quote: leon-iv
      But the most important thing is not to be present in the country with weapons


      But how will they guard objects without weapons? And where will they store these weapons, really abroad?
      1. Crumbumbes
        +5
        8 June 2012 09: 14
        Yeah, in the banks, at interest, put the machine, after half a year 2 got it)))
      2. 0
        8 June 2012 09: 49
        as a CA option. Officially, we have registered in fact located there.
        And there is nothing PMCs to do in Russia. Their work of the Papuans scare in the zone of our interests.
        1. Igor
          +1
          8 June 2012 10: 04
          Quote: leon-iv
          And there is nothing PMCs to do in Russia.


          There is a lot of work for them.

          Quote: leon-iv
          Their work of the Papuans scare in the zone of our interests.


          All of our Papuans are still in our country. Yes, and in general you talk about them as if they were our potential adversary, and they are the same double basses as the army double basses, only some have a state master and others have private owners.
          1. 0
            8 June 2012 10: 23
            There is a lot of work for them.
            what in hypermarkets to stand in a nose are picked and yes to consider visitors' asses.
            All our Papuans are still in our country.
            For them there is the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB
            , and they are the same double basses as the army double basses, only some have the master state, while others have private owners.
            Yes, only they did not swear allegiance to the state and are not in their service.
            Their business is to ensure the safety of our business interests outside the country.
            1. Igor
              +1
              8 June 2012 11: 14
              Quote: leon-iv
              what in hypermarkets to stand in a nose are picked and yes to consider visitors' asses.


              What other hypermarkets? The country is full of strategic facilities.

              Quote: leon-iv
              For them there is the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB


              Americans also have an army and a CIA in Iraq and Afghanistan

              Quote: leon-iv
              Yes, only they did not swear allegiance to the state and are not in their service.


              Former officers do not exist, as if they would harm the country here.

              Quote: leon-iv
              Their business is to ensure the safety of our business interests outside the country.


              It does not interfere.
              1. 0
                8 June 2012 11: 43
                What other hypermarkets? The country is full of strategic facilities.
                Let them be engaged in the power structures of the state.
                Americans also have an army and a CIA in Iraq and Afghanistan
                It is on the territory of their state that they basically have nothing to do. But in the banana republics, yes.
                Former officers do not exist, as if they would harm the country here.
                No need to initialize people. Yes they will. For money for the idea, etc., etc.
                1. Igor
                  0
                  8 June 2012 12: 05
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Let them be engaged in the power structures of the state.


                  Of course, special forces are protecting the command posts of the Strategic Missile Forces and the nuclear power plant, but there is a dofiga of less important strategic strategic enterprises, which are guarded by the cops, and pensioners and women mainly serve there.

                  Quote: leon-iv
                  No need to initialize people.


                  I don’t idealize, just judging by your logic, after the Chechen company, the whole army should be disbanded, since there were many traitors from officers and sergeants who pushed weapons, aviation flight routes, put a bolt on their fellow prisoners.

                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Yes they will. For money for the idea, etc., etc.


                  What’s their whole army going to be? From the force maybe 2-3 thousand. Yes, and the state will control them, something I have not heard that the American PMCs harm America.
                  1. 0
                    8 June 2012 12: 41
                    Of course, special forces are protecting the command posts of the Strategic Missile Forces and the nuclear power plant, but there is a dofiga of less important strategic strategic enterprises, which are guarded by the cops, and pensioners and women mainly serve there.
                    In a peaceful period, more than enough. In the threatened, everything will change.
                    I don’t idealize, just judging by your logic, after the Chechen company, the whole army should be disbanded, since there were many traitors from officers and sergeants who pushed weapons, aviation flight routes, put a bolt on their fellow prisoners.
                    I didn’t say that. One thing when a person works for the state
                    another when on a private trader.
                    What’s their whole army going to be? From the force maybe 2-3 thousand. Yes, and the state will control them, something I have not heard that the American PMCs harm America.
                    For in America they do not work.
                    1. Igor
                      0
                      8 June 2012 13: 14
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      In the threatened, everything will change.


                      What is this threatened period? World war?

                      Quote: leon-iv
                      I didn’t say that.


                      You do not trust PMCs, since there may be traitors, but there are traitors in the army in other government agencies, or that guy who missed a suicide bomber for 50 bucks in a passenger plane in PMCs?

                      Quote: leon-iv
                      One thing when a person works for the state
                      another when on a private trader.


                      Such offices will always be only partially free, they will always be under the hood of special services.

                      Quote: leon-iv
                      For in America they do not work.


                      Well, well! In the USA, PMCs are involved in guarding a number of strategic objects: cosmodromes, and some weapons storage facilities.

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                      1. 0
                        8 June 2012 18: 02
                        What is this threatened period? World war?
                        The period before the onset of a major regional conflict.
                        You do not trust PMCs
                        Yes, especially considering that they are designed to serve the interests of business.
                        Such offices will always be only partially free, they will always be under the hood of special services.
                        Now let them be completely free not on our territory.
                        Well, well! In the USA, PMCs are involved in guarding a number of strategic objects: cosmodromes, and some weapons storage facilities.
                        Do not compare their chop and ours have more access to weapons + different laws in different states.
                        And do not confuse security companies and the military.
                    2. 0
                      8 June 2012 15: 30
                      For in America they do not work.

                      They guard the border with Mexico; drug couriers and immigrants are driven, in particular, the same DinCorp.
                      1. 0
                        8 June 2012 18: 04
                        but do not have a number of weapons that they need, read the laws of the state.
                        and citizens are involved in security there.
                      2. Igor
                        0
                        8 June 2012 18: 52
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        but do not have a number of weapons that they need


                        One machine is enough for them, and there is a warrior dof .. ha


                        Quote: leon-iv
                        and citizens are involved in security there.


                        There are also those who voluntarily catch illegal immigrants.
                      3. 0
                        9 June 2012 17: 14
                        true easy shooting .....
            2. 0
              9 June 2012 17: 12
              in general, the oath taken (on military service) for life ...........
  7. Crumbumbes
    +4
    8 June 2012 09: 18
    America’s most famous and seperated conservative PMC is al-Qaeda, Alkaide reptile, America is there, America is Alkaide there)))
  8. +2
    8 June 2012 09: 44
    a dangerous thing, armed formations. Who will control them and control the owners of these companies? Some "friend of Russia" with foreign money will create his own mini-army and what to do with them next? We need a strong professional army, where a warrior will not be afraid to expose his chest to a bullet, and not only for money, but also with the knowledge that he is protecting the interests of his country. And no one has ever respected mercenaries, they have no trust.
    1. Mahamont
      +2
      8 June 2012 11: 25
      Quote: Middle Brother
      We need a strong professional army, where a warrior is not afraid to put his chest under a bullet


      This is not a sign of professionalism, substituting a chest for a bullet. And the mercenary, whom "no one respects", is afraid to show unprofessionalism in front of the eyes of his comrades-in-arms who respect him and trust him. There are very tough concepts of honor.
      1. 0
        8 June 2012 12: 50
        Mahamont
        You did not understand my point. "There are very tough notions about honor." And by "concepts" we know who exists
        1. 0
          9 June 2012 17: 17
          in the most famous PMC, there is a foreign legion, and there is money, both honor and chest will be put under a bullet ............
  9. Dust
    +2
    8 June 2012 09: 47
    This cannot be allowed in any way! No PMCs, in any case!
    Russia should not worry about participating in some kind of international adventure, but should pay more attention to preventing a possible split in its own country! This is much more dangerous, and it is here that PMCs are able to fully contribute to this crap!
    Enough with us all the North Caucasus seemingly state-owned, but to a large extent still private groups! Somehow we need to deal with them somehow ...
  10. alps
    +3
    8 June 2012 09: 50
    My opinion is that there is no place for private armies in Russia, because this is an expensive business, which means that only oligarchs will have them, and they will be specific people with us, they will have such microarmies for fun, someone will buy a football club, someone will have an army play on the football field, others in the mine (and the players will play the mine, the military will drive them there, just kidding))) In my opinion, if you create it, it’s like a foreign legion, because they go to the legion not only for money, but also for adventures, and our government will provide adventures for the rest ...)))
    1. Owl
      +1
      8 June 2012 13: 16
      Private security companies the size of the armed forces, with the tasks of protecting the property and habitat of the "Teddy Bear" and GDP for the citizens of Russia is not needed, the training of military specialists - the advisers are engaged, their state structures are sent, if a citizen of Russia wants to "protect, fight, train" let him get a foreign passport of Russia and get a job.
  11. +4
    8 June 2012 09: 54
    Well, well, with a greater likelihood all the crime will become PMCs, this is not an experience worth learning from.
  12. ZUI
    ZUI
    +1
    8 June 2012 10: 28
    Actually, we have an article in the Criminal Code for mercenarism.

    But statistics can be deceived, like the United States in Iraq - supposedly 4500 military personnel have died, and about 28500 PMC fighters are silent, although they mostly go to the mopping-up area.
  13. schta
    +5
    8 June 2012 10: 33
    First they would make the status of Cossack armed formations to begin with. It is much more difficult to outbid the Cossacks, in view of the ideological study of the fighters.
    1. radikdan79
      0
      8 June 2012 11: 03
      schta,
      a good idea. and with regards to PMCs, in the law to prescribe the impossibility of use in Russia and contrary to the interests of the state ...
      1. schta
        +3
        8 June 2012 11: 38
        The danger is that PMCs will be controlled by the elite. But the law has not been written to the elites; they want it and do it. You can always escape to London.
  14. Kamaz
    -7
    8 June 2012 11: 06
    Private traders are needed! If our soldiers face the Americans, who will win? Of course Amer, because he is a contract soldier and he was taught to kill, unlike a conscript student! Of course we have a contract army, but there are too few of them and they have never killed anyone, unlike amers who have "eternal practice" in other countries! Contractors depend on the country! If you send them to Syria, the Amers will start to hysteria, and so they sent PMCs and that's it.
    -This is not our army, we do not know who it is!
    1. +3
      8 June 2012 13: 32
      Kamaz,
      You yourself understood what you said ??, you compare the pros and the student who did not study anything militarily.
      You better compare our contractors with amers, it is not a fact that the best equipment enhances motivation.
      Believe me, the history of the Second World War showed that angry, hungry, dirty, but loyal to the fatherland people tore into pieces professional soldiers, well-fed and well supplied.
      No matter what you are taught, if you do not want to do this, nothing will work.
      1. Kamaz
        -2
        9 June 2012 14: 44
        Well, let's compare the Great Patriotic War, then we had reasons to win: the army was semi-professional (25 years of service is not a joke), we had a powerful ideology in which they believed and were crushed by numbers ...

        What now? The contract army is less than 0,5 million people! Everyone thinks about money and other "happiness" and besides, our army has no combat experience (as well as before the Second World War, but then we won for the above reasons), but now no one believes in their homeland, there are only nerds around for games (well, except for us and more patriots) and PMCs can be sent informally to other countries for experience and then they will become a scalpel in the hands of a surgeon!
        1. 0
          9 June 2012 17: 21
          the miracle before the wives in the red army was 3-5 years, and 25 years served under the king of peas
          1. Kamaz
            0
            10 June 2012 18: 10
            2-5, one figs, there were more contractors!
  15. kNow
    0
    8 June 2012 11: 40
    Private military companies can be used in foreign operations, in military bases outside the country. Domestically, their use is fraught. Remember the Janissaries, how they overthrew the Turkish sultans, it's almost the same
    1. +1
      8 June 2012 22: 33
      kNow
      Great comparison. I add that mercenaries (not to be confused with contract soldiers in the modern army) really, usually showed themselves well only in punitive operations. In a serious military conflict, PMC personnel not burdened with an oath (otherwise, what private trader he is) can easily come to the conclusion that he does not want to participate in the continuation of the banquet. And what measures can be applied to him - fine? Or sue forfeit? And what - since there is no oath. then the contract is either a civil law or employment relationship. All! And how can you rely on him?
  16. Alexey Prikazchikov
    0
    8 June 2012 12: 43
    As far as I know 2 is available. One object of Lukoil guards in Irkak. And the other was engaged in mine clearance of the territory of Serbia almost immediately after the war.
  17. lorvig
    +3
    8 June 2012 13: 19
    It is not so simple now with military companies, as the author thinks. Obviously, he has no idea about the baby. The companies themselves have changed beyond recognition. The days of such highly professional companies as Sandline International, which was commanded by Colonel Sanders, passed irrevocably, and the Executive passed out as a result of treason. Simon Mann got 39 years old, Nick 43 years old. Bafalo Regiment - drunk, rested. The White Legion is broken. Structures of current companies have changed. All of their management (and money) is in the hands of Jews. If you take the UN contract, bureaucrats pester, impose police functions, bind their hands. contracts with the US Army. but here are all sorts of villainy and spit. it happens that they will be thrown to work, but after work they will not be taken away - go out yourself, and they will cover you with UAVs, they give you a bad route - you run into an enemy group - do not wait for help, they will put everyone in. This is just what I know. Losses of these groups are not maintained. I signed the vulture secretly, and that’s all. no one will know anything. But I am sure that PMCs should be, must be. Cossacks were PMCs. They went on raids both on the Turks and the Poles, and now they’ll figure it out.
  18. Ahmar
    +1
    8 June 2012 13: 22
    It seems to me that PMCs, by definition, are not capable of "implementing the plans of the Russian state to protect its national interests on the territory of foreign states" - they do not go there for this, but go for money, as a result, whoever pays the most will order the music
    1. Old skeptic
      0
      9 June 2012 00: 00
      And this is a matter of organizing.
      For example: in Russia, a stock of emergency arms exports is created (for friends). In the event of a potential threat to friends, weapons are delivered urgently by the state (legally, long-term contracts just in case), and specialists who are well trained and properly organized (anti-aircraft gunners, artillerymen, tankers, etc.) travel along private lines supposedly private, but in fact, who knows. They go to friends only with small arms as expected, and heavy weapons are already waiting for them. The state has nothing to do with it, but assistance has been provided, and the receiving party pays the money. The beauty.
  19. sergey261180
    0
    8 June 2012 13: 46
    PMCs are used by colonial countries. That our PMCs will colonize is the question.
  20. borisst64
    +2
    8 June 2012 15: 19
    PMCs in our language are defined by the word - Mercenaries. And the attitude towards them is always negative, and for some reason they are not taken prisoner. And most importantly, the state denies them, hell has also died, and there is no reason to expect patriotism from this category of people.
  21. Bashkaus
    0
    8 June 2012 18: 39
    There is such a profession - to protect the homeland.
    You can work in such a profession in the state army.
    And there is another profession, to kill people for money ...
    In my opinion, no private military company has a maral right to do this. I think there can be no conversation with the prisoners (the prisoners of war cannot name their language) PMCs cannot be! There can be no prisoners of PMCs. You know, you can calmly treat a conscript soldier who was captured, here he will give a ride "the military registration and enlistment office took me away". He will also ride with an officer, as a husband performing a duty to his homeland. And who are PMC fighters? What kind of country is this "private"?
    No no and one more time no! Not on those principles, Russia stood for thousands of years!
    1. -5
      8 June 2012 22: 38
      Bashkaus
      I support with arms and legs - a person who has not taken the military oath to the motherland and who has taken up arms only for killing for money can fail at any time as soon as it gets hot! And he will be right in his own way - well, the terms of the contract have ceased to suit him. And how can you trust him?
      1. Old skeptic
        0
        9 June 2012 00: 07
        And who said that he did not take the oath to his homeland, he will defend the interests of the country where the country cannot intervene openly. Remember the war in Spain and the Soviet volunteers.
        1. -1
          9 June 2012 07: 34
          Old skeptic
          From a legal point of view .... and with what else should we judge, not with a housewife, the status of a PMC mercenary differs from our contrabass outlined in that. that the double bass, entering into a contract, takes an oath of office, assumes responsibility as a soldier in a certain country. Including after that he falls into the field of activity of criminal law - the section of military crimes and receives certain guarantees set forth in the relevant legislation of the Russian Federation.
          A partner who has entered into a PMC contract does not have the status of a serviceman, neither privileges nor obligations of a serviceman apply to him and can send everyone to .... at any time and fearlessly, from the point of view of the law, refuse to fulfill obligations under the contract .... .
          Comparison with the Spanish volunteers is incorrect in the sense that the volunteers who were formally excluded from the lists of units (and even then not all of them) actually retained all the benefits, payments and obligations that are the main military personnel. The only difference is. what is like 1x. so 2x was just more ... or you still have an illusion. that at that time a citizen of the USSR could uncontrollably. to leave for Spain at their own expense and, having passed the border cordons, patrols and ships of progressive common people, to get their hands on an ownerless rifle? Just look at the breakdown by specialties of our "volunteers" and illusions will dissipate by themselves ...
    2. Old skeptic
      +3
      9 June 2012 00: 19
      Bashkaus
      What kind of country is this "private"?
      No no and one more time no! Not on those principles, Russia stood for thousands of years!


      The guys study history, Vladimir Yasno Solnyshko, led a mercenary Varangian army in the service of Veliky Novgorod, Alexander Nevsky three times hired to serve there. Ice battle from the same opera. As you can see, the defense of the Fatherland and money in our history is very ....

      Do not confuse, protecting the interests of the country and World War II - interests are money and you need to protect them for money, but World War II is life and the PRICE is completely different, one for all ...
      1. -2
        9 June 2012 07: 47
        Old Skeptic Having learned history, please do not forget the realities of today ..... or, if you argue, give examples of military law and international conventions. consolidating the status and legal status of combatants in the time of Vladimir Yasno Sunny in comparison with present times .... ah. what. then there was no such legislation? here's a byad .... or was it? Well. since you learned history in the top five, so tell us ignoramuses ..... by the way, you know, I’m almost sure that for a few thousand years earlier the closest leaders were allowed to eat the most delicious piece of mined man ... we can literally take similar historical delights? And what. we taught history according to a single program in the same educational institutions ..... should we continue?
  22. Old skeptic
    +3
    9 June 2012 00: 45
    By the way, another question:
    PMCs could take on the issue of paid training for conscripts, with a partial state subsidy. Now the Duma is discussing the question of paid excuses from the army (like a life tax), I think this is stupid. I don’t want my sons to serve in this mess, where for the whole service they if they shot one store, it's cool. But this does not mean that I do not want military training for them. I'd rather pay part of the money, but they will be taught to fight, they will take the oath, and will go to the reserve. Everything is the same as in the army, but without army insanity, and I have a choice where to give.
  23. Weekend
    +2
    9 June 2012 02: 41
    It is necessary to allow PMCs to be created in the Russian Federation (in order to attract valuable personnel leaving the SPN there), PMCs should be instructed to control the FSB / FSO / GRU, protect PMCs from the influence and control of the Duma bureaucrats, and specifically specify in the law on PMCs those types of activities that may they carry out at different periods of service, clearly regulate the punishment for breaking the law.
    1. 0
      9 June 2012 14: 02
      We have to hell with what is clearly and correctly spelled out in the law on the police ... sorry, the police ..., other laws .... But whoever pays, he doesn’t read the laws ... Where there is a lot of money, morality ends there.
  24. 0
    9 June 2012 14: 46
    Everything will be very simple ... These organizations will be put in charge of "honored" generals and "successful" managers. They will make their corruption schemes, they will pull money from the budget. And ordinary employees get a penny ...
  25. Gleb Lukich
    +2
    10 June 2012 10: 19
    One enchanting amateur writes an article. Others comment on it ...
    "... Currently, there are more than a hundred PMCs in the world, most of which are registered in the United States, France and Great Britain."
    - What are "more than a hundred"? Only according to ICoC data as of June 1, 2012 - 404 (four hundred and four). ICoC - International Code of Conduct for Private Security Service Providers - established 58 PMCs on November 9, 2010 in Geneva.
    In the UK - 151, in the USA - 50, in France - 9, in Germany - 8 ... and where did South Africa divide ?! In South Africa -17. (in Russia - 3, in Ukraine - 2).
    http://www.icoc-psp.org/
    "..." RSB-Group "," Tiger Top Rent Security "," Redoubt-Antiterror "," Antiterror-Eagle ". They worked in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kurdistan, Sri Lanka."
    - Of all the above, only the RSB groups are on the PMC's lists, and she got into them just yesterday. The SSB did not work in Iraq. None of the above worked in Afghanistan. In Sri Lanka, no one is working, this is a transshipment base in the region. Tiger, Redoubt and Oryol worked in Iraq - until they put things in order there and began to license PMCs. After that, they were asked from there. The tiger has not existed for a long time, the Redoubt is something incomprehensible, the Eagle is preparing personnel for British PMCs. The latter causes non-illusory anal pain in the "patriots", because it was created and managed by veterans of the special forces of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

    "... Today Russia is one of the countries that does not use the services of PMCs abroad." ,
    and right there:
    "... It should be noted that there are Russian companies analogous to PMCs, but they are very few in number ... A Russian company is effectively operating in the Gulf of Aden, which fulfills orders from ship owners to protect ships."
    So not using it? Or using, but not a PMC of the Russian Federation? Or PMCs of the Russian Federation, but "they are few in number"? Or is it all the same? Well what the fuck ...
  26. +1
    11 June 2012 01: 21
    PMC-Kadyrov, this is REALLY, the legitimate bandits to the end. fellow
  27. warmaster
    0
    11 June 2012 02: 27
    I immediately remember cases when such American mercenaries managed to shoot a bunch of civilians in clashes in Iraq. Therefore, they cause rejection in me. This is the purest merger of business and war, mercenarism - "kill for money", and not because the Motherland sent you.
  28. Gleb Lukich
    0
    11 June 2012 17: 40
    You say so, as if there was something bad about mercenarism.

    PS: the recipe - if the homeland sent you - send it. smile
  29. aspecimen
    +1
    9 July 2012 11: 38
    For RUSSIA wake up profitable to make mercenaries. No need to send an army where you need to protect Russian interests.