Another Lend-Lease. Infantry tank "Matilda": strange does not mean bad

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Still, these British Isles are not all like people. Especially in the times we are talking about, especially regarding tanks. Okay, pounds-inches, but there was a classification - you can grab hold of your head and tear it off.

People here had light, medium, heavy tanks. And the British - cruising, infantry ... That's about the infantry tank "Matilda" we will go.





Infantry tank "Matilda II" was designed to accompany the infantry. This followed from its name, which is generally clear and understandable.

The 27-ton machine was protected by 78-mm armor, which at that time did not penetrate any German gun. The exception was the 88-mm anti-aircraft gun and the later-developed 75-mm anti-tank gun.

Armed with a tank 40-mm cannon or (somewhat later) 76-mm howitzer. The engine used was a pair of AES or Leyland diesel engines with a total power of 174 or 190 hp, which allowed it to reach speeds up to 25 km / h.



In general, a very unhurried and well-booked tank, if in numbers. If we compare the "Matilda", then it is appropriate comparison with the KV-1, whatever one may say, with a heavy tank.

Here is the essence of the infantry tank. He does not need to be fast, the infantry in any case will not give more speed than 5 km / h. In attack - 10. So 25 km / h is quite. Enough, since the "Matilde" did not have to, according to the idea, catch up with anyone or quickly get out of someone. This tank was to crawl along with the infantry and support it with fire, armor and caterpillars.

Generally, let's say, “Matilda” was not entirely within our understanding. Especially when it comes to comparison with the Soviet counterparts.

In terms of booking, Matilda exceeded our heavy KB (78 mm versus 75 mm), but was inferior to 76-mm cannon in firepower.

The 40-mm English cannon for armor penetration was not inferior to our “forty-five” light tanks. Our tank crews noted "the reliability of the diesel engine and planetary gearbox, as well as ease of management of the tank."

Armor, speed and maneuverability of a heavy tank and light weapons. Medium tank?



So, by the way, "Matilda" and recorded. Medium tank. And put on a par with the T-34, which generally looks so-so. Tanks are different in nature and purpose, as well as the ability to perform tasks.

One of the main drawbacks of the Matilda’s weapons was the absence of high-explosive fragmentation projectiles for the 40-mm cannon. Therefore, already in December 1941 of the year, on the basis of an order of the State Defense Committee, the design bureau of Grabin at plant No. 92 developed a project for rearming Matilda 76-mm ZIS-5 cannon and DT machine gun.

However, rearmament was not required. The British allies made proper conclusions and already in the spring of 1942, an MK.II Matilda CS infantry fire support tank arrived in our country, armed with 76,2-mm howitzer, which has high-explosive shells in ammunition. In fact, from this point on, the Matilda could fight not only with the enemy’s armored vehicles.

The downside was the lack of armor-piercing shells for howitzers.

That is, the tank existed in two ways: anti-tank and anti-personnel. It looks somewhat illogical, but this was the alignment.

Another Lend-Lease. Infantry tank "Matilda": strange does not mean bad


A total of 1943 2 "Matild" was released in the UK until August 987, of which 1 084 pieces were shipped, and 918 arrived in the USSR. The difference in the combat account of the Luftwaffe and kriegsmarine.





From the moment the Matilds first arrived in the Red Army, our tankers drank sorrow with them. This is noted in the mass of memoirs and official reports.

"Matilda" arrived in the USSR, equipped with the so-called "summer" caterpillars, which did not provide the necessary traction with the ground in winter conditions. A delivery, I recall, began in the prewinter period.



Therefore, there have been cases when tanks rolled down ice-covered roads into ditches.



To solve this problem, special metal "spurs" had to be welded on the tracks of the tracks. Yes, the first British tanks, which “shook” our mechanics, were precisely “Matilda”.

Further more. In severe frosts, the pipelines of the liquid cooling system, located close to the bottom, froze even when the engine was turned on.



If you look closely at the tank rigging, you can clearly see a number of small “windows” located in the upper part of the bulwark. Somewhere in the African desert, through these “windows”, sand was pouring freely from the tracks, which was what they were intended for.



And here, in the realities of Russia? Moving through the solid mud and swamps, the tank was constantly packed with mud behind the bulwark of the tank, as a result the caterpillar was often simply wedged. The engine is gloh and in the ensuing silence, the crew, swearing and remembering its iron English horse with unkind words, climbed to get the entrenching tools and towing cables.

Memories of the front-line soldiers presented more than one story about how the crews of the Matilds had to stop almost every 4 – 5 kilometers and clean the chassis of their tanks with a crowbar and shovel.

In general, it seems that we got a sort of capricious and even greenhouse lady, which is unrealistic to use in our conditions.

Yes, in Soviet times, so it was presented. Allegedly, the Allies supplied the choice muck. However, the British have nothing to do with it, they supplied us with such equipment, which we ordered them ourselves. But as it turned out that the tank, intended for conducting combat operations in the African deserts, got to fight on the Russian roads, in the forests and swamps, this question still remains without a clear and precise answer. As well as the names of those who selected and ordered tanks.



Nevertheless, the "Matilda" got into our army and nothing could be done about it, except for their use.

Yes, and complaints about the "fragility" of British tanks, let's say, are not entirely fair. Crews of tanks were prepared in Kazan. The materiel was studied in Gorky, where tanks were run in. Fifteen days, which the crew assigned for the development of not the simplest imported equipment, were clearly not enough. So, quite a lot of English tanks failed due to the fault of the crews, both because of the complexity of the equipment and the time pressure of the wartime, and due to the low level of crew training.

The general conclusion on the English infantry tank was as follows:

“The MK-IIa tank has, in comparison with the medium tanks of the USSR, the USA and Germany, the advantage that it combines powerful circular armor protection with relatively small dimensions and combat weight.

Positive quality is also approximate equivalence of armor protection of the frontal part, sides and stern of the tank.

The armament of the MK-IIa tank (40-mm tank gun) makes it possible to destroy most enemy tanks - TI, T-II tanks in any part of the hull and turret; T-3, T-4 and Prague-38-T - with the exception of shielded front sheets.

The tank has quite satisfactory visibility.

The combat weight of the tank is quite acceptable from the point of view of rail transportation and cross-country road bridges and crossings.

The disadvantages of the tank MK-IIa include:

a) poor dynamics of the tank, due to the low power density. This disadvantage limits the ability to dynamically overcome obstacles.

b) limited maneuverability of the tank. The tank is in the full sense of the word Infantry (infantry), as low speeds and a small reserve of fuel make it difficult to use it in isolation from bases and other types weapons».


We decided to write about the undercarriage of British tanks exclusively in negative colors. But the tests of the specialists of the test range of armored vehicles in Kubinka showed that the "Matilda" had obviously positive sides.



For example, the presence of bulwarks not only complicated the installation of the undercarriage and made the tank heavier, but at the same time facilitated the overcoming of the snare and anti-tank hedgehogs. In addition, the screens protected the chassis from being hit by projectiles.

In general, the Matilda chassis was recognized not bad, but rather specific.

The average speed on a bumpy and snow-covered road was 14,5 km / h, while the tank consumed 169 liters of fuel per 100 kilometers. Off-road speed fell sharply - to 7,7 km / h. The fuel consumption of 396 liters per 100 kilometers increased significantly. In such conditions, the tank had enough fuel for only 55 kilometers.

It is not surprising that in our realities the additional fuel tank on the tank body became regular.



The tank showed a very good passability in the snow. 600 mm were the maximum depth of the snow cover for him, not every medium tank overcame such drifts. Problems arose when climbing on snowy areas: due to poor adhesion with the ground, the tank could not overcome the rise in steepness in 12 degrees.



However, if we close our eyes to congenital problems with mudflow, then, according to reports and reports, the Matilda was quite a tank.

“MK-II tanks in battle showed themselves from the positive side. Each crew spent the day of the battle up to 200 — 250 shells and 1-1,5 ammunition ammunition. Each tank worked on 550-600 hours, instead of the 220 hours put.

Armor tanks showed exceptional stamina. Individual machines had 17-19 hits of 50 caliber mm projectiles and not a single case of frontal armor penetration. On all tanks there are cases of jamming of towers, masks and disabling of guns and machine guns. ”

In the battles in winter 1942, "Matilda" proved to be from the positive side. Thick armor, comparable to the armor KV-1, partly compensated for the far from the best organization of combat interaction. The German 50-mm anti-tank guns Pak 38 were far from always able to write down the Matilda, despite its clumsiness and slowness.



In the spring of 1942, the Matilda were actively used in battles in parts of the Western, Kalinin and Bryansk fronts, where they were mainly positional battles. And because of its powerful armor, the tank proved to be quite convenient just for use in such battles.



In the spring of 1943, the Soviet Union refused to import tanks "Matilda" - by this time it became clear that they no longer meet modern requirements. In the British army, by the beginning of 1943, not a single “Matilda” remained in the line units either. Nevertheless, these tanks were actively used in 1943 battles of the year, and in the main strategic areas.



But by the summer of 1944, only isolated Matilds remained in the tank units of the Red Army, and by the fall they could be found only in training units.



TTX tank "Matilda"



Combat weight, t: 26,95

Crew, prs: 4

Number released, pcs: 2987

dimensions
Body length, mm: 5715
Width, mm: 2515
Height, mm: 2565
Ground clearance mm: 400

Reservation
Body forehead (top), mm / degree: 75 / 0
The forehead of the body (middle), mm / deg: 47 / 65 °
Body forehead (bottom), mm / deg: 78 / 0
Board of the case, mm / hail: 70 / 0
Body feed (top), mm / deg: 55 / 0
Bottom, mm: 20
Housing roof, mm: 20
Tower mm / deg: 75 / 0
weaponry

The gun: 1 x 40-mm QF, ammunition 67-92 projectile
Machine gun: 1 × 7,7-mm Vickers, ammunition 3000 cartridges

Engine: 2 in-line 6-cylinder diesel engine liquid cooling, power 87 l. with. each.

Highway speed, km / h: 24
Speed ​​over rough terrain, km / h: 15

Cruising on the highway, km: 257
Cruising over rough terrain, km: 129

In general, the "Matilda" was simply too specific a tank that was not intended for such a theater of military operations as the Soviet-German front. To say that it was a bad tank, even through the prism of subsequent political relations, is still not entirely correct.

The tank was unique, and everything that he could give was taken from him in 1941-43.

Based on:
https://warspot.ru/10282-matilda-tolstokozhaya-ledi-na-sovetsko-germanskom-fronte
https://fishki.net/2157335-tanki-matilyda-v-krasnoj-armii.html
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  1. 0
    5 December 2018 06: 04
    Yes, in Soviet times, so it was presented. Allegedly, the Allies supplied the choice muck. However, the British have nothing to do with it, they supplied us with such equipment, which we ordered them ourselves. But as it turned out that the tank, intended for conducting combat operations in the African deserts, got to fight on the Russian roads, in the forests and swamps, this question still remains without a clear and precise answer. As well as the names of those who selected and ordered tanks.

    Duc still stubborn "patriots" angrily shake the performance characteristics of weapons and shout that the evil imperialists supplied unusable weapons and equipment, although the fact that the imperialists supplied us with what the Soviet representatives chose was not particularly hidden.
    1. +18
      5 December 2018 06: 47
      Quote: Puncher
      the imperialists supplied us with what the Soviet representatives chose

      Sorry, I didn’t understand a bit. And what, mochi were delivered on LL, really?

      Just in relation to the mote, the logic "saw the eyes sho bled" does not quite fit. Motya was supplied at the time of the crisis in tank building, the production of the T-34 is just beginning to improve. There is no time for fat, they took everything that can be obtained. Sherman is not yet, and compared to Lee, the car is not bad at all.

      Regarding mobility, etc. With a minus of dirt in the screens, Motya was in no way inferior to the early T-34, which is without a gearbox. And in many ways - superior. On armor - rather HF.
      1. AUL
        +6
        5 December 2018 08: 56
        By the way, in the fifth picture, not Matilda, but Valentine!
        1. BAI
          0
          5 December 2018 09: 59
          No, but the photo is exactly Matilda, but maybe with a different mask.

          Valentine has no crawler bulwarks.
          1. +5
            5 December 2018 16: 02
            Photo number 4! Namely "Valentines". Compare the frontal body parts.
        2. +2
          5 December 2018 10: 26
          you probably meant the fourth shot with flags, there are two Valentine's aha ...
          1. BAI
            +2
            5 December 2018 11: 12
            Yes, with flags - Vlentines, very characteristic "ribs" on the face.
          2. AUL
            +1
            5 December 2018 13: 39
            Quote: faiver
            you probably meant the fourth shot with flags, there are two Valentine's aha ...

            Sorry, miscalculated in arithmetic! Fourth, naturally!
        3. 0
          5 December 2018 13: 34
          Yes, they are the very ones.
          http://military-photo.com/greatbritain/afv5/tank5/valentine/9934-photo.html
          The photo is clearly visible. smile
        4. 0
          5 December 2018 16: 03
          4 photos. This is the Valenjains.
      2. 0
        6 February 2019 21: 25
        Behind the minus dirt in the screens, motya was in no way inferior to the early T-34

        Sorry generously for a possibly stupid question. But was it really impossible to dismantle these bulwarks?
        1. 0
          7 February 2019 01: 49
          Quote: Bender_the_robot2
          But was it really impossible to dismantle these bulwarks?

          It is possible, but they are not quick-detachable - with rivets. It’s unlikely to be put back. Cases of deliberate refusal of bulwarks I do not know.
      3. 0
        4 March 2019 13: 08
        T-34, which "without a gearbox" and apparently for you also "without the main clutch" is more than 2 times superior to Matilda in thrust-to-weight ratio, significantly better in terms of specific ground pressure and has a 76mm cannon with a wide range of ammunition.
        1. +1
          4 March 2019 14: 46
          Quote: MooH
          76mm cannon with the widest range of ammunition.

          As for the guns - the truth is, they blundered the limes.
          Quote: MooH
          T-34, which is "without a gearbox" and apparently for you also "without the main clutch"

          Ага.
          Quote: MooH
          more than 2 times superior to Matilda in terms of thrust-weight ratio,

          Why did she need him in 2nd gear? Faster transmission break?
          By the way, where did you get the idea that an infantry tank should be fast?
          Quote: MooH
          significantly better in specific ground pressure

          Its pressure on the ground - 0,6 - not better, too low. T-90 exactly in the middle between T-34-76 and Matilda.
          1. 0
            4 March 2019 15: 07
            The tank should not be fast, but passable. Its task is not to get stuck at the exit to the line of attack, and even more so not under enemy fire. To do this, the tank must be thrust-armed, have a low center of gravity, good grip and sane pressure on the ground. In this regard, the t-34 is superior to Matilda by head.
            Your passage about the second gear is partly fair, but do not forget that the qualifications of driver mechanics, as well as the quality of specific tank models vary significantly. And if the book says about wedging boxes and burning clutches, then this does not apply to 100% of produced tanks.
            This is like modern articles about the timing of German engines, the resource de 60000-100000 is not more. And this is if you drive and do not change the oil. I personally saw the BMW 300000 on the counter, with a native circuit.
            1. +1
              4 March 2019 15: 16
              Quote: MooH
              should not be fast, but passable

              Pret like a tank.
              The article says that there were no significant problems with patency. There were problems in reliability., But not in comparison with the T-34.
              Quote: MooH
              It's like modern articles about German engine timing

              Let's not remember modern German engines in the conversation about the 34-year T-41. Sinful.
              1. 0
                4 March 2019 15: 28

                The article says that there were no significant problems with patency.

                Unfortunately, I can’t boast of driving Matilda’s experience, but on the basis of technical characteristics they couldn’t be missing. With this ratio of mass to power and track width, any slippery climb should be a problem. About marshes and slopes delicately silent :))

                An example with modern engines, it is not about reliability, but about the reliability of sources. She feels a good attitude towards the technique, because the same design works very differently for competent users and "riders". Accordingly, someone will burn a defective clutch in the first hundred kilometers, while someone will calmly walk from Moscow to Berlin on the same one.
    2. +15
      5 December 2018 12: 33
      Hole punch, I quote: "Duc still stubborn" patriots "angrily shake the performance characteristics of weapons and shout that the evil imperialists supplied unusable weapons and equipment, although the fact that the imperialists supplied us with what the Soviet representatives chose was not particularly hidden ..."

      Have you ever thought about this question: Did the Soviet representatives have a choice? Did they order according to the principle: "We take what we give, or even what we CAN GIVE" ??? What were they to choose from then? British armored vehicles in 41 did not differ in a special variety ... Correct me if I am mistaken ...
    3. 0
      10 February 2019 13: 42
      Quote: Puncher
      Duc still stubborn "patriots" angrily shake the performance characteristics of weapons and shout that the evil imperialists supplied unusable weapons and equipment, although the fact that the imperialists supplied us with what the Soviet representatives chose was not particularly hidden.

      The performance characteristics of the weapons of those deliveries were really basically not impressive, but ours chose from what was, and claims were expressed even then and at the official level about the quality of the supplied weapons, which were used and often in poor condition, but very expensive. stubborn "liberal" you are ours. wink
  2. +8
    5 December 2018 06: 08
    The situation with Matilda recalls the cries of some experts about comparing Merkava with the T-90 and about their hypothetical competition at Biathlon.
    Don’t say that Lend-Lease played a positive role. This has been repeatedly emphasized in articles on VO!
  3. +1
    5 December 2018 06: 18
    in general Matilda as Merkava among Jews tank soldier
    1. -1
      5 December 2018 06: 42
      Quote: Graz
      in general Matilda as Merkava among Jews tank

      And the tank’s name is not Kseshinskaya’s case, judging by the maneuverability it’s clearly not ballet. wassat
      1. +1
        6 December 2018 18: 13
        On the fronts of the Second World War, the tankers "Matilda" respected and loved. The author should cite the reviews of those who fought on the Matilda, and the overwhelming majority of reviews are very good ... and not otherwise, with the armor protection of the KV tank level and the low noise of the engines, the 40mm cannon is quite sufficient for most purposes of the first two years of the war ...
  4. -2
    5 December 2018 06: 25
    Apparently the patriots believe that it would be better without a land lease.
    1. -13
      5 December 2018 06: 46
      for the money that the USSR paid, it was necessary to demand weapons in the equipment we needed in the climate we needed
      1. -6
        5 December 2018 07: 16
        for the money that the USSR paid
        - what money? Lend Lease Borrowed
        1. -2
          5 December 2018 07: 44
          Is the money paid in the end? paid, ships with gold went to Britain right during the war for those who don’t know, read the story of the English cruiser Edinburgh and that he was transporting from the USSR to England
          1. +13
            5 December 2018 08: 37
            for those who don’t know
            - it’s for those who don’t know this is not a Lend-Lease, but direct deliveries this time, the Mildilds were delivered to us when the lack of tanks was closed with light T-70 and the Mildilds are clearly better than these kids are two, and as of 41-42 of the year neither the British nor the Americans didn’t produce anything better, but on fishlessness and cancer, there’s three ... hi
            this Edinburgh is shoved everywhere - lousy five tons of gold ...
            1. +5
              5 December 2018 09: 00
              Quote: faiver
              and the lack of tanks was covered with light T-70

              Not even the T-70. T-60
            2. +7
              5 December 2018 09: 07
              Colleague, would you decide whether it is "lend-lease" or not :))) And then a little higher
              what kind of money? Lend Lease Borrowed

              and here
              it's not a land lease

              PMSM since the tank is English and the Lend-Lease program is American, the answer is obvious. hi
              Again, as far as I remember, the English deliveries went to the account of the loan allocated by lime and the clearing agreement.
              neither the British nor the Americans produced anything better at the 41-42 year

              And here I completely agree. The British did not have good tanks at that time ... but then again, an engine with a normal resource and a working walkie-talkie were worth something
              1. -2
                5 December 2018 09: 17
                my phrase about direct supply refers to the transfer of gold, not to matilda ...
              2. +1
                5 December 2018 23: 39
                Quote: Senior Sailor
                neither the British nor the Americans produced anything better at the 41-42 year

                And here I completely agree. The British did not have good tanks at that time ... but then again, an engine with a normal resource and a working walkie-talkie were worth something
                Well, why doesn’t anyone want to remember the story? autumn maneuvers of 1935. In Russian literature they like to cite the recall of the French general L. Loisot, who was present at the maneuvers: “With regard to tanks, I would consider it right to consider the army of the Soviet Union in the first place.” Here you can add the opinion of the famous military theorist, English captain B. Liddel Garth: “A small number of breakdowns is an indicator of the health of their mechanisms and standard (so in the translation text, you should read - exemplary) crew training.” https://topwar.ru/78540-rozygrysh-voenachalnikov.html
                It was then that the British were impressed by the division of Soviet tanks into two categories: T-26 infantry support tanks and long-range tanks. introduced in the breakthrough BT-2, BT-5.
                Still, in these British Isles not everything is as in humans. Especially in the times we are talking about, especially with regard to tanks. Well, there, pounds-inches, but after all, the classification was - you can take hold of the head and tear it off.
                This is where the legs grow from the USSR, the British classification of tanks into infantry and cruising. D. Mostovenko wrote about this in his book "Tanks" at the end of the 50s of the last century. In this book there was a section of the classification of the countries of the world.
                1. +2
                  6 December 2018 00: 41
                  The British "parent" of our T-26 was originally a light infantry tank, or a light infantry escort tank.
                  But by 1935 there were already anti-tank guns and the British, unlike the USSR, decided to make the infantry tanks initially resistant to small-caliber anti-tank guns.
                  For this we needed battles in Spain, Mongolia and Finland.
                  1. 0
                    6 December 2018 12: 49
                    Quote: hohol95
                    The British "parent" of our T-26 was originally a light infantry tank, or a light infantry escort tank
                    I nay about
                2. 0
                  11 December 2018 17: 58
                  [quote] [That's when the British were impressed with the division of Soviet tanks into two categories: T-26 infantry support tanks and long-range tanks. / quote]
                  But didn’t we borrow from the British the concept of dividing tanks into infantry and cruising?
          2. 0
            5 December 2018 09: 31
            This is money for direct deliveries not under Lend Lease, the payment of Lend Lease went after the war.
          3. +4
            5 December 2018 10: 16
            Quote: Graz
            Is the money paid in the end?

            Paid as much as 7% of the cost of lend-lease, in addition, deliveries did not go anyhow-when, but at the most difficult moment when they were needed for a cut. It would be foolish to demand something supernatural under such conditions, besides, almost all the supplied equipment was the peak of the capabilities of Western industry and often simply had no Soviet counterparts.
            1. +2
              5 December 2018 10: 28
              Quote: Corn
              As much as 7% of the cost of lend-lease was paid, in addition, deliveries were made at the most difficult moment when they were needed for a cut, it would be foolish to demand something supernatural under such conditions, moreover, almost all the supplied equipment was the peak of the capabilities of Western industry and often just had no Soviet counterparts.

              Do you troll?
              1. Deliveries were made at the most difficult moment, and not at the most. In terms of tonnage and amounts, the main contribution of LL to the offensive of 44-45 years. But taking into account the situation prevailing in 41-42, any straw could break the ridge. At least 1000 tanks. At least 100.
              2. Technique was not the "peak of opportunity". Limes were thrown off so clearly that they did not want to. But there was no need for a "peak" - who will serve? It was necessary to be simpler and more reliable.
              1. +3
                5 December 2018 11: 01
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                any straw could break the ridge.

                Especially when this straw is almost the same as what is available. For example :
                in October-December 1941, 669 aircraft arrived (for comparison, on October 1, 1941, there were 3 aircraft in the 568 fronts that defended Moscow, and 389 of them were operational)
                and this is not counting the supply, without which the country simply could not winter.
                What they ordered, then they "dropped",
                1. +3
                  5 December 2018 11: 23
                  Quote: Corn
                  For example :

                  Not quite correct example. You compare cars in the presence of everything and cars in a specific active sector of the front.
                  Although it was specifically near Moscow that the number of British vehicles, EMNIP, reached almost half of the combat-ready units in some places.
                  Quote: Corn
                  and this is not counting the supply, without which the country simply could not winter.

                  Yes, this is a separate conversation.
                  Quote: Corn
                  What they ordered, then they "dropped",

                  In the winter of 41-42, what happened in England was taken. Admission commissions, etc. were established only in the middle of the 42nd year, EMNIP.
                  But this is not a question for the British, of course.
                  1. 0
                    5 December 2018 11: 44
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    You compare cars in the presence of everything and cars in a specific active sector of the front.

                    You compare this, I just cited one example of the fact that deliveries were far from an insignificant straw.
              2. Alf
                0
                6 December 2018 20: 52
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Limes were so distinctly dumped that they were not worth it

                And in the 41st year, Britain had better tanks than Matilda?
                1. 0
                  6 December 2018 21: 23
                  Quote: Alf
                  And in the 41st year, Britain had better tanks than Matilda?

                  No, just Motya does not illustrate this idea.
          4. +1
            5 December 2018 11: 04
            it’s not funny to read this in the 21st century on a specialized resource.
            there were 5 tons of gold on Edinburgh; only the States provided 11 tons of gold in gold equivalent for a lend-lease.
            And there were still similar programs from Canada, England, Australia and some others.
          5. 0
            5 December 2018 14: 12
            ships with gold went to Britain right during the war for those who don’t know, read the story of the English cruiser Edinburgh and that he was transporting from the USSR to England

            Do you want this gold to be ultimately given to the Germans? request
      2. +7
        5 December 2018 08: 18
        Quote: Graz
        for the money that the USSR paid, it was necessary to demand weapons in the equipment we needed in the climate we needed

        Demand?))) Maybe it was worth waiting until the end of the war, while the British develop a tank specially for the USSR in the "climatic performance we need"?))))
      3. +3
        5 December 2018 16: 10
        Do you have any suggestions for a tank fleet in Britain?
        What kind of tanks could they make for us in the "Arctic performance"?
        At the time of total war, they took what was most acceptable for our army. For technical reasons, "cruiser" tanks were much worse than "infantry" ones. And the British themselves missed them. They themselves turned to the Americans and at first were very happy even with the light M3 "Stuart".
        1. 0
          5 December 2018 17: 23
          Quote: hohol95
          For technical reasons, "cruiser" tanks were much worse than "infantry" ones. And the British themselves missed them. They themselves turned to the Americans and at first were very happy even with the light M3 "Stuart".

          And the Limes' infantry were no better - judging by how happy they were with the American medium M3 "Lee". smile
          1. +1
            5 December 2018 17: 40
            Quote: Alexey RA
            judging by how happy they were with the American medium M3 "Lee"

            Lee had its pros and cons. Circular booking is one of the minuses regarding mochi. But naturally, it is better when he is, and a lot, and not when he is not.
            1. +1
              5 December 2018 18: 52
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Lee had its pros and cons. Circular booking is one of the minuses regarding mochi.

              On the other hand, the "Li" combined both a conventional tank with a small-caliber "anti-tank" gun and a CS tank. In addition, his 75-mm could not only in the OFS, but also in the BB, and with normal armor penetration. smile
              1. +2
                5 December 2018 19: 09
                Quote: Alexey RA
                But "Li" immediately combined

                Yes, there were pluses. But the M3 was, for good, self-propelled guns, and ate aviation gasoline as if to itself. On the other hand, I traveled every day, and not just on holidays.
                1. +1
                  5 December 2018 22: 19
                  "As America of Russia
                  Gave em three es.
                  A lot of noise, little sense,
                  Growth came to heaven! "
                  Let's pay tribute to the British - at their persistent requests a variant of the M3 "GRAND" was created (the British jokers christened different versions of one tank after the names of 2 American generals who fought with each other in the Civil War).
                  But our representatives did not deign to take advantage of the British experience and make their wishes in the design of the M3s tank.
                  As you know, "they don’t look at a gifted horse in the mouth." An acute shortage of tanks forced the British to agree to the supply of the MH, though slightly corrected - the awkward commander’s turret was nevertheless removed. In fairness, however, it should be recognized that their own British tanks did not differ in constructive and layout perfection, and from the point of view of technology, the American tank was simply a jerk in comparison with them. The American machine was also distinguished for the better in technical reliability. The British tankers, accustomed to constantly delving into their tanks, could not but appreciate this. And of course, the MH had exceptional firepower compared to the English and German vehicles of 1941-1942. For this, the British forgave him all the shortcomings. However, at the first opportunity, they changed their “grants” to more advanced “Shermans”.

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                    6 December 2018 07: 19
                    Quote: hohol95
                    our representatives did not deign to take advantage of the British experience and make their wishes into the design of the M3s tank.

                    This is you in vain. When the Soviet representatives unpacked in the United States - the middle of the 42nd - no wishes for the design of the M3s were needed.
          2. 0
            5 December 2018 22: 18
            "Infantry" did not infuriate the crews with their breakdowns, as "CRUISER"!
    2. 0
      5 December 2018 21: 06
      Apparently the patriots believe that it would be better without a land lease.
      Yes, yes, we know we didn’t survive without him, and in general the US WWII won ... But the USSR stood aside
      ps Well, as usual, the tiger was stuck from clods of earth in the runningway, shit .... Matilda was stuck because of guards, the English fellows were just tankers of the USSR
      1. +1
        5 December 2018 22: 35
        And you are NOW ready for the following actions when working with a British tank (without proper and thorough study) -
        “If after 4–5 attempts it was not possible to start the engine of the English tank, if there is a device for starting with ether, charge the gun with an ampoule, press the puncture lever for the capsule and start the engine with the starter. After starting the engine, do not let it run at speeds above 800 per minute until the oil temperature reaches 2TC (80 ° F), and the oil pressure rises to 60–80 psi.
        Upon reaching these indications, the number of revolutions should be increased to 1000 per minute, and after 2-3 minutes, work can be performed at the highest number of revolutions.
        The movement of the tank can only begin after the engine has completely warmed up and always from the first gear in order to avoid damage (when the grease is frozen) in the gearbox, differential and final drives. ”

        So it was designed not in our country and not for the level of technical training of our tank crews and repair personnel!
        But this did not prevent the most trained tankers, with proper preparation of battles, to achieve victories on these tanks on the "locust" that had pinned down from the West!
        For example, by the beginning of the German offensive on the Kursk Bulge, the 201st Panzer Brigade (7th Guards Army of the Voronezh Front) had 18 Matilda, 31 Valentine and three T-34 tanks. Together with the infantry of the 73rd Guards Rifle Division and the 1669th Anti-Tank Fighter Regiment, this brigade defended the area near the farms Gremuchiy and Krutoy Log.
        On July 6, 1943, tankers repelled six attacks by German infantry supported by tanks, knocking out five vehicles and destroying up to 150 enemy soldiers. The next day, the brigade repulsed another 12 attacks of enemy infantry with a force of up to two battalions supported by 45-50 tanks. In this battle, according to the summary, two Pz were shot down. IV, three Pz. III, three self-propelled guns and destroyed up to 750 Wehrmacht soldiers, and two serviceable German self-propelled guns were captured as trophies. Our losses amounted to one burned out and two wrecked “valentines” and three wrecked “matilda”. Subsequently, the brigade repelled 6-7 enemy attacks daily, and on July 12 it went on the offensive. As a result of the attack, one Pz tank was burned. III, a six-barreled mortar, two trucks with ammunition and up to 150 German soldiers were destroyed. In response, three “Matilds” and two “Valentines” were burned, seven “Matilds” and three “Valentines” were shot down.

        1943 year! The tankers were not alone. With infantry and artillery! It is a pity in 1941 that was very rare!
  5. +7
    5 December 2018 07: 17
    normal tank design of the late 30s with a peculiar English zest ...
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      5 December 2018 14: 35
      Quote: faiver
      normal tank design of the late 30s with a peculiar English zest ...

      ... He would have DZ still ... or KAZ fellow
      : Loading on transport
      ... BATRAC Matilda Mk IIA * infantry tank on maneuvers in Oberon NSW in June 2015. hi
  6. +2
    5 December 2018 08: 40
    Thank. I learned something new.
  7. +1
    5 December 2018 08: 48
    They took what was. And there was no time to turn your nose around, the enemy was moving catastrophically fast on our land. I don’t know, as a whole I do not really like Matilda. Really, the car is not for our harsh conditions. As long as the Fritzes did not have weapons capable of fighting our armored forces, Matilda was in demand. From the Lendliz, in my opinion, only the Aero Cobra was a good weapon, but the cars of the Studra and Willys. But I repeat: they took what is or what they gave. They refused us the Mustangs and the B-25 as far as I remember.
    1. +1
      5 December 2018 09: 20
      only the aerocobra was a good weapon
      - and the Amers and the British did not work with the Airacobra, so the question is moot ... hi
      1. +3
        5 December 2018 09: 59
        Aerocobra did not go because of the different roles of aviation.
        Whereas on the Western Front, fighter aircraft mostly shot / attacked high-altitude bombers, respectively, all air battles took place on medium and large outposts, then on the Eastern Front everything revolved around ground-based aviation and ground forces cover, respectively, and air battles took place at low altitudes.
        A brisk and well-armored aerocobra could not show itself at a height, but it went perfectly at low altitudes.
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          5 December 2018 10: 33
          Quote: Corn
          A brisk and well-armored aerocobra could not show itself at a height, but it went perfectly at low altitudes.

          On the theater of operations, where there were low altitudes and maneuverable battles, Cobra also did not show itself particularly.
          1. 0
            5 December 2018 11: 15
            And where could they turn around?
            The heroes of that war are naval aviation.
            Or are you talking about the Soviet insistence at the final stage of the war? So they already didn’t find any opponents there, they worked on the ground.
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              5 December 2018 11: 49
              Quote: Corn
              And where could they turn around?

              Exactly where the army hoki. At the beginning of the war, all of a sudden, the Americans were not very greasy, they fought on anything. Including left-handed cars, like the CW-21 (American Yak-3, by the way).
              Quote: Corn
              The heroes of that war are naval aviation.

              And coastal.
              Quote: Alexey RA
              the enemy turned out to be too light and maneuverable

              And it’s not so and it’s not that way))
              In general, in the East a lot of stars came together for Cobra. And the heights, and the enemy’s equipment, and tactics, and the class of pilots — the cobra flew in the Guards and Naval Aviation Regions, the average pilot, even the American one, was not suitable.
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                5 December 2018 12: 11
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Exactly where the army hoki. At the beginning of the war, all of a sudden, the Americans were not very greasy, they fought on anything. Including left-handed cars, like the CW-21

                What they found in the bins, they fought on that. Among the Germans, the "maize" Arado68 also managed to fight together with the "Messers". Probably not the fastest, but nimble, maneuverable and well-armored fighter, this is not what is needed over the endless expanses of the sea, where speed and range were more important. Your Zadornovskaya version of "well, stupid Americans" who could not train pilots does not stand up to criticism.
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                  5 December 2018 12: 34
                  Quote: Corn
                  Asha Zadornov's version of "well, stupid Americans" who could not train pilots

                  I am very far from the idea that the Americans could not prepare the pilots. However, it’s strange enough to argue that a plane with a burrow, such as Cobra, was not very suitable for a beginner, even a 400-hour American. In the East, the Cobra became famous as an aces aircraft, first of all.
                  Quote: Corn
                  What they found in the bins, they fought on that.

                  Exactly. We fought on everything that was. That is, they could figure out whether Cobra suits them or not.
              2. 0
                5 December 2018 13: 50
                In general, in the East a lot of stars came together for Cobra. And the heights, and the enemy’s equipment, and tactics, and the class of pilots — the cobra flew in the Guards and Naval Aviation Regions, the average pilot, even the American one, was not suitable.

                So even these pilots who flew in GvIAPs ... were trained for quite a long time ... well, don't just take a tovarisch car ... learn in battle, you are already "AS". smile So that not everything was just that ...
                http://military-photo.com/unsorted/13488-photo.html
            2. 0
              5 December 2018 13: 07
              Quote: Corn
              And where could they turn around?

              Over the islands - New Guinea, Guadalcanal, etc. On the same "cactus", among others, were the "Anglocobs" R-400, "Cobras" R-39 and "lightning" R-38.
          2. +1
            5 December 2018 11: 25
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            At that theater, where there were low heights and maneuverable battles, Cobra also did not show itself

            So the enemy turned out to be too light and maneuverable at TO - "zero" and army fighters. smile
        2. +3
          5 December 2018 14: 17
          Corn, - "A nimble and well-armored aerocobra could not show itself at the height, but it went perfectly at low altitudes ...."
          Oh, don't say it! Such a "nimble" was that God forbid, to pull the handle, instantly fall into a tailspin! I directly argued with Yaks on bends ... Especially with Yak-3 ... Right now! Aha!
          But seriously, it is neither nimble nor agile. Pokryshkin's formula - "Height, speed, maneuver, fire" and his own order of battle - "Kuban whatnot", height separation - all this is just the same from the "non-maneuverability" of Cobras. Well, she could not fight in "dog dumps", it was not given to her. Her tactics are to strike and go to the vertical, naturally all maneuvers at speed. Cobra got involved in the junkyard, lost speed, that's all, kapets, horizontal defensive maneuvers are not for her. The point is neither in the Cobra, nor in the fact that it is so all "wonderful", but in the competent tactics of its use in our Air Force! Our pilots, after the Ishachks, could fly even on a stick with a motor, so they mastered it quite successfully, unlike our allies.
          And her booking is very standard, neither worse nor better than most of the other fighters of that period.
          1. 0
            5 December 2018 14: 44
            Quote: fighter angel
            Our pilots after the "Ishachks" could fly even on a stick with a motor, so they mastered it quite successfully

            You are partly right. The I-16 was rumored to be an extremely nervous plane. Retraining from him to Cobra is easier than from the friendly T-6 Texan. More precisely, he killed bad pilots earlier than Cobra.
            Quote: fighter angel
            And her booking is very standard, neither worse nor better than most of the other fighters of that period.

            Yak-1?
            Quote: fighter angel
            Altitude, speed, maneuver, fire

            Quote: fighter angel
            Her tactics are striking and moving to the vertical, naturally all maneuvers at speed

            Vertical combat - WWII standard.
            Quote: fighter angel
            in competent tactics of its application in our Air Force!

            Yes, tactics decide. On the other hand, both the USA and the USSR improved their tactics in the years 43-44. The Americans already had a decision to abandon Cobra.
            As a matter of fact, the decision to abandon Alison, except for the P-38, was made even before the war, NNP.
            1. 0
              5 December 2018 15: 08
              "Vertical combat is WWII standard."
              I agree.
              But here, on the Eastern Front, for many reasons, "Dog dumps" prevailed.
              And why immediately the Yak-1?
              There were also the Yak-7B, and the Yak-9, and La-5, and even the Yak-1B-not much inferior in armor to Cobra.
              1. +1
                5 December 2018 15: 29
                Quote: fighter angel
                about us, on the Eastern Front, for many reasons prevailed

                In direct accompaniment, where there was no height for verticals.
                Quote: fighter angel
                And why immediately the Yak-1?

                What do you suggest for the 41st year?
                Quote: fighter angel
                Yak-7B, and Yak-9, and La-5, and even the Yak-1B-not much inferior in armor to Cobra.

                This Yak-9 was not much inferior in security to the cobra? Seriously?
                1. 0
                  5 December 2018 16: 27
                  "In direct companion, where there was no height for verticals."
                  Exactly.
                  And such sorties until the end of the 43rd and the beginning of the 44th were the majority in the Red Army Air Force.
                  Then, when they gained dominance, departures for free hunting went.
                  And before that, "dog dumps". For the full program.
                  "What do you suggest for the 41st year?"
                  Why for the 41st year?
                  When did the Cobra appear at the front?
                  Here at that moment it is necessary to compare.
                  "This Yak-9 was not much inferior in protection to the cobra? Seriously?"
                  In terms of actual security, it was possibly inferior to the Cobra.
                  Offhand I will not say, you have to look.
                  Yak-9 took another: "Active security" - in terms of maneuverability, agility, dynamic qualities, time of maneuvers, turns and combat turns - definitely "made" the Cobra!
                  This, you see, is also defense in battle. The so-called "active".
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                    5 December 2018 17: 18
                    Quote: fighter angel
                    Then, when they gained dominance, departures for free hunting went.

                    Rather, double escort went. Yaks along with drummers below, Cobra or La or Yak-3 at medium altitudes.
                    Free hunting has happened, but rarely.
                    Quote: fighter angel
                    And before that, "dog dumps". For the full program.

                    This is if you're lucky. More often the Germans boomed, and the Soviet tried to dodge and catch on a mistake. It happened that the German went into battle horizontally. But this is from impunity already.
                    Quote: fighter angel
                    Why for the 41st year?

                    Because the Cobra is an airplane of the 41st year.
                    Quote: fighter angel
                    When did the Cobra appear at the front?

                    The first battle - 16.05.42/19/XNUMX, XNUMXth Guards and Infantry Aviation Regiment, Arctic. From the first, English delivery.
                    Quote: fighter angel
                    Here at that moment it is necessary to compare.

                    Yak-1. Until the end of the 43rd, even until the 44th year.
                    Quote: fighter angel
                    Offhand I will not say, you have to look.

                    Ugums. Look for 93 kg of armor and layout from Merkava, in the opposite sense.
                    Quote: fighter angel
                    "Active security" - in terms of maneuverability, agility, dynamic qualities, time of maneuvers, turns and combat turns - definitely "made" Cobra!

                    You describe Zero.
                    By the way, the Yak was better in horizontal maneuverability, but the cobra’s dive speed was exceptional. With wood cladding, very high speeds are undesirable.
                    Quote: fighter angel
                    This, you see, is also defense in battle. The so-called "active".

                    No, this is a bad idea.
                    I already mentioned here the CW-21, which was lighter than the Yak-3. The Americans decided very clearly that survivability is more important than weight.
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                      5 December 2018 20: 36
                      "Yak-1. Until the end of the 43rd, even until the 44th year."
                      Since the fall of 42, the Yak-1B was produced.
                      Forced, more powerful, but less high-altitude motor,
                      lightweight design
                      teardrop-shaped lantern
                      modified weapons, 1 * 12.7 BS instead of 2 * 7.62 ShKAS.
                      This is, if briefly.
                      In terms of performance characteristics, the Yak-1B was superior to the Yak-1. By speed, vertical and horizontal maneuver.
                      And "Cobra" Yak-1B "made" in a maneuvering battle without difficulty.

                      "Ugums. Look for 93 kg of armor and layout from the Merkava, in the opposite sense."
                      Ugums, understood, and then this set of words is called a joke?

                      "If you're lucky. More often the Germans boomed, and the Soviets tried to dodge and catch on a mistake. It happened that a German went into battle on the horizontal. But this is already out of impunity."

                      Wow ...
                      And ours shot down these "boomzummers"!
                      And in the 41st and in the 42nd and even more so ...
                      Ugums!
                      And there are even facts.

                      "You are describing Zero."
                      Did I even say a word somewhere about the A6M? No.
                      It's about Yak.
                      More specifically, about the Yak-9 and Cobra!

                      "By the way, the horizontal maneuverability of the Yak was better, but the Cobra's dive speed is exceptional."
                      Not just better, but an order of magnitude better!
                      Otherwise, I agree with you.
                      Each aircraft has its own advantages and disadvantages.


                      "No, that's a bad idea.
                      I have already mentioned here the CW-21, which was lighter than the Yak-3. The Americans decided absolutely unequivocally that vitality is more important than weight. "

                      There would be no problems with aluminum in the USSR during the war,
                      there would be more powerful engines, would get another car at the exit!
                      All-metal. Live. Class "Cobra", "Mustang".
                      And so-out of the situation the only possible right way.
                      About a bad idea is your subjective.
                      I do not agree here.
                      1. +2
                        5 December 2018 21: 22
                        Quote: fighter angel
                        Since the fall of 42, the Yak-1B was produced

                        Which in the sense of vitality was distinguished by bulletproof glass.
                        Quote: fighter angel
                        "Cobra" Yak-1B "made" in maneuverable battle

                        On the horizontal.
                        Quote: fighter angel
                        Is this set of words a joke to you?

                        Metaphor. Use of the engine as an element of protection. Moreover, the front also had parts that protect the pilot.
                        Quote: fighter angel
                        And ours shot down these "boomzummers"!

                        It happened.
                        Quote: fighter angel
                        It's about Yak.
                        More specifically, about the Yak-9 and Cobra!

                        We are talking about a light aircraft with good horizontal maneuverability (the Zero and vertical maneuverability was very good, much better than Wildcat) against a heavy, but tenacious.
                        Quote: fighter angel
                        Not just better, but an order of magnitude better!

                        Not an order of magnitude, but for 2-3 seconds in a bend. 19 vs. 16-17 for the reference Yak.
                        Quote: fighter angel
                        would get another car at the exit!

                        Would get what they got in real life. La-9 and Yak-3. The USSR Mustang is not needed with its strategy.
                        Quote: fighter angel
                        About a bad idea is your subjective.

                        This is the Zero vs Hellcat stats. Far more objective.
                        Quote: fighter angel
                        And so-out of the situation the only possible right way.

                        Here, oddly enough, it is entirely possible to agree.
                      2. 0
                        6 December 2018 10: 13
                        "Not by an order of magnitude, but for 2-3 seconds in a bend. 19 versus 16-17 for the reference Yak."

                        Forgetting a very important thing.
                        Convenience of piloting.
                        Any Yak is lightweight and easy to fly.
                        Available to the average pilot and below.
                        Cobra is complex and capricious. The pilot had to fly it with great care, which "exhausted" him and reduced his efficiency.

                        "We would get what we got in real life. La-9 and Yak-3."

                        La-9 with the M-71 engine would be even better.
                        Yak-3 in all-metal version and with M-107 or VK-108 as well.
                        But there was not one, not a second, not a third ...
                        Therefore, ASH-82FN and M-105PF / PF2.
                        They made of what was.

                        "These are the statistics of the Zero against the Hellcats. Much more objective."

                        Hellcat was later.
                        And Zero against the P-40? Against the Brewsters and Wildcats?
                        The Japs thoroughly raped them, despite the poor protection of Zero.
                        What does statistics say about this?
          2. 0
            5 December 2018 22: 41
            N. Golodnikov -
            For example, who inspired them with the idea that the cobra is inferior to the fokker in speed? And it was. At first, the Germans were very confident in their superiority in speed, and it often happened that the Fokers tried to leave us afterburning after the attack. You catch up with him and start to “water” from above. He smokes, puffs, but cannot come off. We quickly weaned the Germans only to rely on afterburner. Then the “Fokers” became the rule - getting out of the attack and getting out of the attack only with a sharp dive and nothing else.
            On the vertical, the Fokker was also inferior to the Cobra, although at first they tried to fight with us on the verticals. Also quickly unlearned. And I also do not understand - well, why did they decide that the "fokker" "cobra" in the vertical will surpass?
        3. -2
          5 December 2018 16: 18
          Join.
          Quote: Corn
          A brisk and well-armored aerocobra could not show itself at a height, but it went perfectly at low altitudes.

          Marshal A.I. Pokryshkin, either in his memoirs, or in one of the doc. films about him, said that "Airacobra" was good in that the engine was located in the center of mass (behind the cockpit), which ensured the extraordinary agility (maneuverability) of the car in the air! With our Russian "A ....... th!", Our pilots did whatever they wanted on "cobras" !!! The Yankees obsessed with instructions and a sense of self-preservation (why die for ???) did not use this.
          Ergo: The motivation of a WARRIOR (soldier) in battle, the most important essence of military identity! If this is not so, just give the human being the most perfect weapon, so he will not stop the adversary and will kill himself ............................ .....
          1. 0
            5 December 2018 16: 34
            Quote: sso-250659
            Yankees obsessed with instructions and a sense of self-preservation

            You have a misconception about Americans in general and about Americans in those years in particular. Take an interest in the same Doolittle raid, at least. Google "8th Torpedo Squadron".
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              5 December 2018 18: 07
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Take an interest in the same Doolittle raid, at least. Google "8th Torpedo Squadron".

              Or the First naval battle at Guadalcanal, November 13, 1942
              Then Callaghan came out with a pair of SRTs (one of which was also damaged in an air raid - the stern tower was out of order + problems with the SUAO), three KRLs (of which two Atlantas with 5 ") and eight EVs. one KRL and eleven Japanese EVs.
              Moreover, Callaghan knew about the composition of the forces opposing him. But all the same, he went to meet the Japanese - because otherwise they would have plowed the airfield at night and quietly unloaded during the day reinforcements, heavy weapons and ammunition for their units on the island.
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                5 December 2018 18: 41
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Or the First naval battle at Guadalcanal, November 13, 1942

                Honestly, for some time now I do not like to remember the sea battles of the Americans.
                Gouging.
                Even when they won. Mariana Islands, Leyte.
                Gouging.
                Such a fight, to just ah, well done! - I do not remember larger than Cape St. George. Yes and that ...
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                  6 December 2018 10: 58
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  Such a fight, to just ah, well done! - I do not remember larger than Cape St. George. Yes and that ...

                  So much for the fight "oh well done“Comparable forces are needed. And when the Yankees had comparable forces, their training l / s was lame on all four limbs. When the training improved, there were no comparable forces - the TF.38 / 58 skating rink rolled through the TO. smile
                  1. +1
                    6 December 2018 19: 20
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    So for the fight "ay, well done" you need comparable forces.

                    No.
                    Just fighting like the Americans in the 44th is even more embarrassing.
                    Shooting 3 cruisers with 3 battleships is also unsportsmanlike, but ABC is great (although he missed the LC), but Halsey, who missed Kurita to transport, didn’t.
                    Spruence, who recaptured 4 alfastrikes without finding an adversary, and then snapped 4 times more of his own aircraft than the Japanese, generally, it’s high time for the tribunal.
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                      7 December 2018 02: 16
                      hi
                      EMNIP: ABC in that story ("it will turn out to be a mess of torpedoes and searchlights" - "you ..., ...., I will sing and let you know my decision!" am in another statement "having considered the considerations of the headquarters, I rejected them" lol ) corny speed was not enough. With Halsey, for the history of Kurita (and also for the history of the typhoon; there was also a murky story in December 1941 with the delivery of reinforcements to Wake) twice, the question of the tribunal arose, but Halsey defended Nimitz: "he supported me in 42-43, I did not I can not support him. " Spruence is good ... but the statement from the 40s "it would be better to have Helsey at Midway / Marian, and Spruance at Leite" is not obvious; losses under the Marians did not lead to grave consequences, and the victory was not with a crushing score, but it was.
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                        7 December 2018 08: 24
                        Quote: Wildcat
                        more for the typhoon story

                        IMHO Typhoon Halsey is one of the few stories when the main claims are against Washington (which, of course, does not remove the questions for Halsey). Long before the war, there was already a case when a "decisive" squadron commander planted the heels of an EM with great casualties (one ship capsized). However, this did not lead the headquarters of the fleet to the idea that it would be necessary to clearly delineate the responsibilities of the commanders of ships and the commander of the formation in battle and on the transition.
                        Quote: Wildcat
                        it would be better Helsi at Midway / Marian

                        Quote: Wildcat
                        Spruance is good

                        Midway is a separate case. Although Halsey, even Nelson, but if you do not know how to form a shock wave - the result is one. Zalaviv alfastrike (and intelligence), had to enter cheat codes for direct divine intervention.
                        And at that moment no one but the Japanese knew how to form a wave.

                        As for Spruence and Marian, he repeated his own cant at Midway, but in much more greenhouse conditions. I could not conduct reconnaissance, having (with Marian) complete dominance in the air. I had to, like Midway, to cover up my own, sending the pilots to certain death. Mr.

                        Actually, Midway, and the night attack at Marian, and the story with jeeps against Yamato, are interesting only in one sense - they can poke mum in the face of mother's patriots in a conversation about gentle and cowardly Americans who can not bear losses. The rest is a shame.
                      2. 0
                        7 December 2018 11: 01
                        ..also as they could, "they threw corpses" ...
                        "If you don't know how to form a shock wave, the result is the same. Having put on alpha-strike (and reconnaissance), I had to enter cheat codes for direct divine intervention.
                        And at that moment no one but the Japanese knew how to form a wave.
                        Spruence ..... Mr * zh.
                        ...
                        The rest is a shame. "
                        belay belay Something did not work out for me on Friday morning. No.
                      3. +1
                        7 December 2018 11: 39
                        Quote: Wildcat
                        Something did not work out for me on Friday morning.

                        I did not think that the assaults on Halsey and Spruance could now hurt someone.

                        I apologize for the harshness if you took it to heart.
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                        7 December 2018 12: 41
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Long before the war, there was already a case when a "decisive" squadron commander planted the heels of an EM with great casualties (one ship capsized).

                        Honda Point Disaster? The commander of Destroyer Squadron 11 led the column in dead reckoning fog, ignoring the direction finder readings (he found them wrong). At 21:00 pm, he commanded a turn, he believed, to the Santa Barbara Channel. But instead, the rocky bank of Honda Point was in front of EM. As a result, out of fourteen EM “clemsons”, nine flew onto the stones, seven of them were written off.
                        The investigation showed that the most likely cause of the navigational error was the underestimation of the temporary change in currents that occurred as a result of the Great Kanto earthquake a week before. But the commander of Destroyer Squadron 11 did not refer to objective difficulties or shift responsibility to subordinates, but took all the blame on himself.
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Although Halsey, even Nelson, but if you do not know how to form a shock wave - the result is one. Zalaviv alfastrike (and intelligence), had to enter cheat codes for direct divine intervention.
                        And at that moment no one but the Japanese knew how to form a wave.

                        EMNIP, the Yankees in the Coral Sea both days showed more or less normal coordinated raids. For this, dive bombers even waited for torpers, and did not rush to the attack on their own.
                      5. 0
                        7 December 2018 13: 01
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        o the commander of Destroyer Squadron 11 did not refer to objective difficulties or shift responsibility to subordinates, but took all the blame on himself.

                        Ugums.
                        As a result, no conclusions were made regarding the organization of the service, the NPT.
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        planted on the heels stones EM

                        Downplayed (
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        EMNIP, the Yankees in the Coral Sea both days showed more or less normal coordinated raids

                        No, Fletcher will also be the heroes)))
                    2. 0
                      7 December 2018 13: 18
                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      Shooting 3 cruisers with 3 battleships is also unsportsmanlike

                      I’ll clarify: shooting from the LC LK from a direct aiming range of an enemy cruiser without TA is unsportsmanlike. But, judging by the recollections of the participants, it is extremely pleasant. smile
                      However, this is a war, not the battles of the faithful in Battletech.
                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      but Halsey, who missed Kurita to the transports - no

                      Everyone was good there - and Kurita, too. Here is how it was possible, having high-speed LC and KRT, to manage to lose contact with the 19-node AVE due to the fact that these AVE broke away from the ships of Kurita? wink
                      1. 0
                        7 December 2018 13: 47
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        But judging by the recollections of the participants, it’s extremely nice

                        Ugums.
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        However, this is a war, not fights of the faithful

                        Therefore, there are no claims to excellence. There are claims as they ordered it.
                        Quote: Alexey RA
                        Everyone was good there - and Kurita, too.

                        So his task was to die beautifully, given the strength of Halsey (although formally, of course, other Japanese should have died beautifully). He has achieved some more. Could have been even greater, but it turned out to be a good day.
              2. 0
                8 December 2018 04: 16
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Moreover, Callaghan knew about the composition of the forces opposing him. But still I went to meet the Japanese -

                About the hero of Callaghan.
                Yes, army propaganda, plus Roosevelt's friend, described what happened in this vein: heroic self-sacrifice, having accepted an unequal battle, Callaghan saved Cactus from bombing the LC and subsequent destruction.
                But another view is possible.
                Guadalcanal’s American fights were absolutely enchanting:
                Briskly began crutchley's limey, setting up the experiment "What happens if the commander of the formation secretly left on more important matters?" It turned out, to be honest, not very good.

                Scott picked up the baton, trying the option "What happens if you lose control of all your ships, including the flagship?" It turned out a stick over T. The experiment was considered successful.

                Callagan used the tactics that proved to be effective. However, this time neither he nor Scott fartanulo. It happens.

                Let's leave aside the activities of the higher command. What was Callaghan's overcoming? Two battleships? There were no battleships that night. There were two Congo type LCRs. Both carried 8 main guns (versus 12 for the American chest) and an 8 "belt. Both were vulnerable to Callaghan's ships, and this is fact, not speculation.

                What was the balance of power, if without David-Goliaths and other lyrics? Japanese, 95 torpedoes, 16x14 "; 32x6"; 7x5.5 "; 72x5"; 8x4 ". Americans, 86 torpedoes, 18x8"; 15x6 "; 93x5". Yes, the Japanese have 600kg suitcases, but the American 5 "and 6" have a significantly higher firepower. American KRL, first of all just Atlanteans, but Brooklyn too, are especially good against massEM in close combat. Surprise is on the side of the Americans. So what?

                Hero Callaghan leaked equal the fight. He walked like a pig to mincemeat. He took the same 1.5 thousand people. Freed the sea from of american ships, allowing the Japanese the very next night to do what they planned.

                No. We do not need such heroes.
          2. 0
            5 December 2018 16: 40
            I will discourage you.
            It was not Pokryshkin who said this / wrote about the maneuverability of the Cobra.
            It was the Americans who "painted" it for him.
            Normal propaganda. Ac No. 2 among the allies and the American car!
            You have to be an idiot to miss such a chance!
            Re-read "Knowing Yourself in Battle" again. Author-Alexander Ivanovich Pokryshkin.
            And then we'll talk about it.
          3. 0
            5 December 2018 16: 52
            sso-xnumx
            I quote: "Marshal AI Pokryshkin, either in his memoirs, or in one of the doc. Films about him, said that" Airacobra "was good because the motor was located in the center of mass (behind the cockpit), which provided extraordinary agility (maneuverability) of the machine in the air! With our Russian "Ah ....... th!", our pilots did whatever they wanted on "cobras" !!!
            Not a rebuke, but have you studied aerodynamics?
            Why, then, was the Cobra the only aircraft with an engine in the center of the fuselage? If the scheme is as wonderful as you write, then why then all the other planes were carried out "somewhat according to different schemes" ???
            Before you "join" - think ...
    2. +2
      5 December 2018 09: 21
      Quote: Fisherman
      They refused us the Mustangs and the B-25 as far as I remember.

      You remember wrong. On LL delivered 861 Mitchell and 2771 (every 3rd released) Boston. Both that and that - excellent cars. Mustangs in the Red Army Air Force unnecessarily, it does not have strategic aviation.
      Quote: Fisherman
      only the aerocobra was a good weapon

      Sherman’s supply in the 44th and 45th was inferior to the production of the T-34/85 by the 183rd plant, but it was about the same as the 112th, the second largest. The need for the Red Army in LT in 44-45 years was completely covered by the Stuarts (and Valentines). The T-70 tank ceased to be produced in the 43rd, the T-80 was not produced.
    3. 0
      5 December 2018 16: 19
      B-25 "Mitchell" was delivered to the USSR - 807 pieces (eight of them were lost as a result of plane crashes during ferry flights).
    4. Alf
      0
      6 December 2018 20: 56
      Quote: Fisherman
      B-25 as far as I remember.
      Reply

      870 pieces were delivered, the B-24 Liberator was refused.
  8. 0
    5 December 2018 08: 53
    Weighted, Criteria for choosing weapons ....? ---- Kremlin secrets. On the other hand, at least something especially in the 42nd.
  9. +4
    5 December 2018 09: 17
    Matilda - the best tank in England at that time. And not worse than the Soviet, with its own specifics - an infantry tank. And thanks for delivering them at the right time - October 1941. After losing your thousands of light tanks - this is an effective help. For the fact that thousands of thin-armored tanks were riveted, it was also necessary to ask strategists. And Matilda had to be finalized on the spot. Spikes on the tracks welded! After all, it was possible to remove the on-board screens, since they interfered with the transitions. Our tanks throughout the war without screens. So it goes.
  10. +1
    5 December 2018 09: 24
    Photo 4 shows the Valentine tank, not Matilda.
    1. 0
      5 December 2018 10: 27
      yes there are two valentines ...
  11. +2
    5 December 2018 10: 42
    One of the main shortcomings of the Matilda’s weapons was the absence of high-explosive fragmentation shells for a 40-mm cannon.
    It is strange - the tank was created to support the advancing infantry with fire and tracks, but such a "device" as the OFS did not have what
    1. +1
      5 December 2018 11: 11
      it wasn’t really needed for a 40 mm caliber projectile, it seems.
      According to the English idea, he supported the infantry with machine-gun fire at point-blank range, which was possibly due to a good reservation, a gun was needed if the enemy’s armored vehicles suddenly appeared.
    2. +3
      5 December 2018 11: 20
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      It is strange - the tank was created to support the advancing infantry with fire and tracks, but such a "device" as the OFS did not have

      Say thank you for setting up some kind of gun.
      For the first approach to the shell the heavy armor infantry tank at the limes was generally purely machine-gun:
      1. +1
        5 December 2018 11: 34
        But also well-armored, by the way.
        1. 0
          5 December 2018 12: 57
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          But also well-armored, by the way.

          Aha - the attack at Arras is an example of this. Machine-gun infantry tanks had to be stopped by 8,8 cm anti-aircraft guns. Moreover, the "mochi" frightened von Rundstedt so much that he gave birth to the famous "stop order", and even broke through his approval by the Fuhrer.
    3. 0
      5 December 2018 11: 38
      The high-explosive action of a 40-mm projectile in the ranks of its own infantry would have caused more losses than the enemy. There was, of course, and OFS 40 mm, but was not used. To push the target far - not the Matilda’s unit, to shoot at a distance of 100 meters - is dangerous, it’s easier to crawl slowly and pass it .... who did not manage to dodge.
      The British’s normal idea, quite in the spirit of positional warfare and slow offensives - that’s why the tank is so appropriate.
      And the fact that our commanders of tank formations, mainly from cavalry who came, are used to raids and waste - well, that’s why they didn’t like Matilda either. But the people inside liked it quite.
      The photo delighted, with a log on the starboard side - to see the people sensitively drove into the originality of the "English lady". And even then, with such tracks - logs, well, they just ask for caterpillars. So, "are you a lady or not ice" - got to Russia, carry a log. I suppose all our tanks did not shy away from driving with logs, they will come in handy, whatever.
      1. +1
        5 December 2018 13: 30
        The 2-pound OQF Mk IX cannon of the 40 mm caliber was purely anti-tank and no OFS was provided for it (like the German Cancer 36 - 37 mm). She was installed on the tank Valentine. The anti-tank gun served to defend itself against enemy tanks. Infantry support - machine guns. During development, they designed a cramped turret for a specific gun and a larger caliber gun simply did not fit (as well as on the T-34 - the turret was designed for a 45 mm gun, when the L-11 and F-34 guns were installed it became very crowded). Using Matilda in battles with the Japanese, Australia itself has established the release of OFS caliber 40 mm.
        1. +2
          5 December 2018 14: 09
          Quote: John22
          The 2-pound OQF Mk IX cannon of the 40 mm caliber was purely anti-tank and no OFS was provided for it (like the German Cancer 36 - 37 mm).

          Hmm ... but didn't the "beater" in the BC had a 3,7 cm Sprg.18 and a 3,7 cm Sprg.40?
          EMNIP, on small-caliber fragmentation shells of small-caliber anti-aircraft weapons accounted for up to 2/3 of the ammunition consumption.
          1. +1
            5 December 2018 16: 40
            Alexander, John who, this is what -
            http://wwii.space/артиллерийские-боеприпасы-великобр/

            "For the QF-2 pdr anti-tank gun, 40x304R unitary ammunition with caliber and subcaliber rounds was produced. For A fragmentation tracer shell of a mass of 1,3 kg and a weight of explosives of 71 g was also produced in the tank gun. Ammunition performance characteristics: caliber - 40 mm, length - 304 mm; sleeve length - 304 mm; muzzle velocity - 853/792 m / s, shot mass - 2 / 2,2 kg; projectile weight - 1 / 1,2 kg, explosive weight - 19,5 g; armor penetration - 42 mm with a caliber projectile at a distance of 900 m, 53 mm - with a sub-caliber projectile at a distance of 450 m. "

            Are we talking about different guns, tanks?
            And another, with a mass of explosives of 20 grams - what kind of shell is this ... some kind of firecracker.
  12. 0
    5 December 2018 11: 13
    An excellent tank for its time when used correctly.
    but, unfortunately, in 41-42 we didn’t have such subtleties.
    This was later separately Sherman, separately T-34 in the applications indicated when there were more tanks.
  13. +2
    5 December 2018 11: 16
    But how it turned out that a tank designed for warfare in the African deserts got to fight on Russian roads, in forests and swamps, this question still remains without a clear answer. As well as the names of those who selected and ordered tanks.

    And what - did the Allies have something better in 1941? We took what was available.
  14. +2
    5 December 2018 11: 39
    " But by the summer of 1944, only a few copies of the Matilda remained in the tank units of the Red Army, and by autumn they could only be found in training units. "
    As of January 1, 1945, the Red Army still had 218 of these tanks. Until the end of the war, 10 of them were killed in battle. June 1, 1945, 37 tanks were still listed in combat units. True, there were only 7 of them directly on the front line (as part of the 2nd Belorussian Front), of which 5 were in good condition.
  15. +2
    5 December 2018 13: 50
    ,,, that the Germans did not turn up their nose from them ...




    1. 0
      6 December 2018 05: 12
      Because in Africa.
  16. -1
    5 December 2018 14: 01
    Many of the shortcomings of Lend-Lease weapons can be explained by the incompetence of those who ordered British equipment. In the climatic conditions of Russia, Anglo-Saxons do not breed.
    1. +1
      5 December 2018 14: 23
      Or maybe there was simply nothing to choose from? Those who ordered from the Anglo-Saxons ...
    2. +1
      5 December 2018 14: 30
      Quote: iouris
      In the climatic conditions of Russia, Anglo-Saxons do not breed.

      In the 41st you don’t pick, isn’t Moscow behind us? Next came more Valentine, who showed himself very well. Especially with the semi-Sherman engine.
  17. +1
    5 December 2018 14: 39
    Goose dogs are complex in design, apparently the lugs are probably rubber, well, it was possible to order normal gusli as well. And yes, with such situevina, the ice was afraid like fire
  18. 0
    5 December 2018 18: 55
    But was Matilda diesel? The author did not confuse anything? Like gasoline set
    1. +1
      5 December 2018 19: 05
      Quote: Vladimir Teplov
      But was Matilda diesel?

      Yes. Two.
  19. +1
    5 December 2018 20: 23
    These tanks were not redundant at the time they were delivered. And never an extra resource is never superfluous. About stubborn patriots-this is the idiocy of stubborn anti-patriots. Which is seen for everything only as its antagonist, and always in one color.
  20. +1
    5 December 2018 21: 12
    And I will add - against the background of WWII technology, British tank building is something special. It has given the world so many "masterpieces" rooted in the designs of Big Willie during WWI, that it is amazing. But against the background of the time of action, Matilda was needed by the Red Army, and she came on time. And so, of all British tanks, only Wallentine caused a natural positive reaction, he was, to a certain extent, a replacement for the T-50, which never went into mass production.
  21. 0
    5 December 2018 21: 22
    "Who can compare with my Matilda" (c)
    In general, it is clear that the British, with their "well, very peculiar" design school, just stupidly did not have normal tanks. Something, somewhere, something like that, they began to produce only by the end of the war ... (They even say bears are taught to ride bicycles) - Well, yes, a good tank, except that "God is not a goddamn poker" ...
    1. +1
      6 December 2018 11: 09
      Quote: Taoist
      In general, it is clear that the British, with their "well, very peculiar" design school, just stupidly did not have normal tanks. Something, somewhere, something like that, they began to produce only by the end of the war ...

      Duc ... where does a normal tank come from in the series, even if in 1943 this was submitted for testing:

      And I still don’t remember about AT series self-propelled guns ..
      ... - It seems that it was then that the English design center was again covered with fog from the Grimpen bog, which clearly contained non-standard ingredients, - a familiar voice was heard from around the hangar. - PT with guns in sponsons, can you imagine? Almost like the "Brokeback Mountain" M3 Lee, only significantly, much larger! Factor of!

      - And after that, someone considered the French drug addicts tanks? - laughed in response. - Only World War I, only hardcore! In fact, a self-propelled bunker was designed on caterpillars, which would slowly crawl somewhere on the Somme or near Verdun, firing German lines from a lot of machine guns, going into a psychic attack under deployed banners and under a drum battle!

      “I don’t understand why there was no over-rational proposal to create a self-propelled shelter for a small platoon using reinforced concrete!”
      © A. Martyanov. 2012
      1. +1
        6 December 2018 19: 16
        This is yes ... that's the way a cartoon theme ...

        Laughing with laughter, but in real life, our tankmen were not very funny ... Yes, of course, even allowing this to say that creation is better than nothing ...
  22. +1
    5 December 2018 22: 27
    The respected author forgot to describe some of the tank's shortcomings associated with its design not for "Siberian frosts" -
    In severe frosts, the pipelines of the liquid cooling system, located close to the bottom, froze even with the engine turned on. The pneumatic transmission control amplifier on the Matilda V tanks froze. Even the question of replacing it with a mechanical one was considered.

    "Report on the use of British tanks on the fronts of World War II on April 17, 1943 Secretly
    The most significant of these shortcomings are:
    a) the cooling system of the MK-2 and MK-3 tanks is located in places inaccessible to crews; pipelines from the engine to the radiators go along the bottom of the tank, in winter conditions the water in the pipelines freezes even when the engine is running.
    This greatly complicates the heating of the tank and makes it almost impossible to refuel the cooling system with water at low temperatures;
    1. 0
      6 December 2018 00: 53
      Have you read the article?
      Further more. In severe frosts, the pipelines of the liquid cooling system, located close to the bottom, froze even when the engine was turned on.
  23. VSG
    0
    11 December 2018 22: 44
    It's nice that the article used photographs from the museum near Yekaterinburg. Regional PR, so to speak. Not a single Cuban ...
  24. 0
    12 December 2018 22: 05
    A gift horse, by the way not bad, you know what ... Besides, the first “Matildas” appeared in the most difficult time. Although Brittam they themselves in North. Africa would not be superfluous at all.
  25. 0
    14 December 2018 16: 34
    Quote: hohol95

    Dear author, I forgot to describe some of the shortcomings of the tank


    The following joke was popular among British tankers: "Guys, you will not believe, but yesterday I saw Matilda crawling to the top of the hill!" request
  26. 0
    22 January 2019 09: 23
    A tank with a 40 mm cannon in 41-42 is as if not even funny, especially since it, like, is giggling.