Another Lend-Lease. Dodge WC-51

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Yes, as promised, we are starting a series of analytical stories about the equipment obtained under Lend-Lease, and comparing this technique with what we had.

But at the very beginning, faced with a huge problem, we immediately recognize that it is far from always possible to compare, for often we have no analogues, unfortunately. This is especially true of the topic with which we decided to begin our story. With cars.





Yes, in general, it is no secret that with autobuilding we had everything very sad at all times. Even today. If it were not for the Renault-Nissan concern, which began producing its models, it would have been the case with the basins.

The 30s were no better. In total, we had three pillars of the automotive industry: Moscow (ZIS), Nizhny Novgorod (GAZ) and Yaroslavl. What was - was, had what they had. Another question is that cars made in the USSR, unfortunately, are very difficult to compare with the fact that they were produced by the same “big three” in Detroit.

One of the proofs of this is our today's hero, “Dodge” (forgive us the Russian spelling), who bore the nickname “three quarters”. Dodge WC-51.

Another Lend-Lease. Dodge WC-51


Typical military SUV-bull. The nickname is not just like that, load capacity 750 kg, that is, tons.

Technical data of Dodge WC51:



Weight - 2 315 kg;
base - 2,5 m;
length / width / height - 4,23 / 2,12 / 1,87 m;
front wheel track - 1,6 m;
rear wheel track - 1,65 m;
ground clearance - 27,3 cm;



power unit type - gasoline six-cylinder engine with a volume of 3,8 liter, power 92 l. with.;
revolutions per minute (max.) - 3200;
the maximum speed is 88 km / h;
fuel consumption per 100 km - 29 liters on the highway;
load capacity - 750 kg.



In general, drawn such a "jock on steroids", ready for anything.

Need to drag something away? No problem. Mortar, anti-tank gun 45-mm, even the divisional 76-mm - not a problem. Take off. Kitchen closer to the advanced throw? Ha! Together with the chef and food supply.







There is an interesting additional feature. The floor has five stiffeners and is adapted for mounting a rack designed for a small-caliber gun (up to 37-mm inclusive) or a large-caliber machine gun. Such an American "Browning" from 12,7 mm and beyond.

Plant American electric starter. The six-cylinder engine is pretty tugging and has excellent power at that time.



The main drive axle is rear, the front one is connected as required by a lever next to the “handbrake”.

Synchronizers on the gearbox? Come on, this is a war machine! The simpler and cheaper, the better. Therefore, there are no synchronizers, but for a Soviet person who is not spoiled by new equipment, double wringing is a common thing.

There is no modulator, but the power of the engine allows you to wade even through Russian dirt. And you can start from the second, the engine and not such a patience.

Knowledgeable people from the reconstruction environment claim that this bull is very well managed, despite the absence of any booster amplifiers of any kind. And in general, there is no place for weaklings in war, especially since driving such transport for real peppers.

The wheelbase, let's say, of medium size, makes it possible to unfold normally and quickly in small areas.

Hydraulically operated brakes, manufacturers did not stint. The main thing when towing is not to brake “into dead ends”, there were accidents when a gun or a mortar fell off a trailer coupling and the bed turned out to be in the back. Not deadly, of course, but nonetheless.

Drew attention: the passenger wiper with manual transmission.



That is, it is necessary to turn the hand back and forth drive "janitor". But on the driver's side - the miracle of the American automobile industry: a vacuum drive from the engine!





The higher the engine speed became, the faster the janitor worked for the driver.

In fact, for 51 and subsequent modifications there was only one drawback: the open cabin. Our winter was not even unpleasant. And in the summer, in conditions of smoke or strong wind in the Rostov steppes, the cabin open to these winds is a dubious pleasure.



Some sources talked about the allegedly heavy steering. Well, it was said by those who did not sit at the wheel of a three-ton Soviet. And since at that time we were not only sitting behind the wheel of a three-ton driver who was driving the “lorry”.

I translate: no problems. And the brute technique happened.

And now about the figure that crosses out all the comparisons and comparisons.

25 000 "Dodge" WC-51 was delivered to the Red Army under the lend-lease.



Jeep overgrown, as it is, "went." The anti-tank gun, as it was originally installed, began to drag everything, from intelligence reconnaissance to kitchens and commanders.





The most annoying thing is that there is nothing to compare it with.

GAZ-4 is the most suitable for the class.



This pickup, made all on the same platform GAZ-A / Ford-A, released in 10,5 series of thousands of cars.

GAZ-4 was not a competitor to Dodge. Lighter (1080 kg empty), with a weaker engine from Ford-A (4 cylinder, volume 3 285 cubic cm, power 40 hp at 2 200 rpm), faster (113 km / h) and less voracious (12 l on 100 km).

But GAZ-4 lost in the main thing - carrying capacity (500 kg versus Dodge 750) and maneuverability. In terms of terrain - completely lost. The American (although GAZ-A is not particularly Soviet) can be called a swallow from Dodge regularly ate twice as much gasoline, but did not ask questions about where and how to haul a hitched load. Or loaded into the body.

All-wheel drive "emka", GAZ-61?



Yes, with the cross in this car was full order. The only problem is that all modifications of GAZ-61 were released no more than 200 pieces. Yes, the car was loved by Soviet military leaders, GAZ-61 drove Voroshilov, Budyonny, Kulik, Timoshenko, Shaposhnikov, Zhukov, Meretskov, Konev and Tyulenev.

Yes, of course, the Emka’s comfort was more. But alas, engines were needed for the lungs tanks T-60, and all-wheel drive Soviet cars ceased to produce.

And then under the Lend-Lease came "Doji" and "Willis", which filled the sector of light and medium-wheel drive vehicles of the Red Army.



But the cars were good, right?

By the way, in museums from 25 000, we currently have only 2 (!) Dodge WC-51. One in the Museum of Domestic Military stories in Padikovo, the second - in the UMMC military history museum in Verkhnyaya Pyshma.

In private collections of reenactors of military history, 51 is also found. But not often. The rest, apparently, rolled up the years.

But his main work Dodge WC-51 performed on the "excellent". I think the main majority will agree with me on this.
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  1. +16
    23 November 2018 06: 17
    Great car. As a tractor ZIS-2 and ZIS-3, together with ammunition and crew, as a staff vehicle, as a means of transportation, the machine gunners' department was not better than the machine at that time.
    1. -3
      23 November 2018 14: 56
      Well, the Yanks earned money in that war. First, the Germans helped build thousands of tanks and aircraft. And then they drove us the equipment.
    2. +1
      23 November 2018 23: 10
      Great car. As a tractor ZIS-2 and ZIS-3, together with ammunition and crew, as a staff vehicle, as a means of transportation, the machine gunners' department was not better than the machine at that time.

      And the fact that this Car won such love ... looks incredible ... considering the specifics of our territory:
      http://military-photo.com/unsorted/14176-photo.html
      http://military-photo.com/unsorted/1830-photo.html
      http://military-photo.com/unsorted/14927-photo.html
      http://military-photo.com/unsorted/14836-photo.html
      http://military-photo.com/unsorted/14025-photo.html
      http://military-photo.com/unsorted/13907-photo.html
      http://military-photo.com/germany/automobiles2/kubelwagen/5730-photo.html
      http://military-photo.com/germany/automobiles2/protze/14166-photo.html
      http://military-photo.com/ussr/afv/tank/light/t-26/13864-photo.html
      And lastly:
      http://military-photo.com/ussr/automobiles/gaz-aa/7093-photo.html
      http://military-photo.com/ussr/automobiles/gaz-aa/7094-photo.html
  2. +3
    23 November 2018 07: 32
    from reconnaissance patrols
    Dodge 3/4 starred in The Tunnel in 66 .....
    1. +3
      23 November 2018 12: 31
      Also in the film "It was the fourth year of the war."
  3. +3
    23 November 2018 07: 51
    The others, apparently, were driven away for years.
    All equipment supplied by Lend-Lease was returned to the Americans. In Odessa, they built a recycling plant. Cars got to America in the form of recyclables.
    1. -4
      23 November 2018 08: 07
      Quote: ism_ek
      All equipment supplied by Lend-Lease was returned to the Americans. In Odessa, they built a recycling plant. Cars got to America in the form of recyclables.

      All?
      By the way, in museums from 25 000, at the moment we have only 2 (!) Dodge WC-51 left. One at the Museum of Russian Military History in Padikovo, the second at the Museum of Military History of the UMMC in Verkhnyaya Pyshma.

      In private collections of reenactors of military history, 51 is also found. But not often. The rest, apparently, rolled up the years.
      1. BAI
        +4
        23 November 2018 10: 14
        There are a lot of ads on the Internet. It immediately got out (for Yandex, by the way, the second most popular request is to buy a dodge wc-51)

        I think to sell Doge WC-51 1943 onwards .. There are docks, iron on the go. Many parts (2 more cars for spare parts). I ask 300000 (three hundred) rubles.
        Or change to a Japanese truck, bus.

        Cars in the Trans-Baikal Territory.

        Not enough money for a new large garage.
        Photo taken a couple of years ago.
        Now the view has not improved, there is no time for a car.
        1. +2
          23 November 2018 12: 12
          This copy came from America in our time. According to Lend-Lease, machine sets came to the USSR. Cars were assembled in the USSR. There were no American plates on them. Some factories survived after the war. They collected cars from the remaining parts.
    2. +16
      23 November 2018 08: 09
      Correction: not all set, but the one that survived the battles and remained in the country more or less intact. Under the terms of Lend-Lease, the USSR had to return the surviving US equipment, or pay its cost. The USSR was not obliged to pay for the Lend-Lease equipment of the USSR destroyed in battle. The Americans, getting their equipment back, simply drowned it in the sea, because they didn’t need used equipment, which was also pretty much pounded by the war. Upon learning of this, Stalin stopped returning the surviving Lend-Lease equipment, since the destroyed economy of the USSR needed the cars as air for its speedy restoration. It is because of this that the Americans billed the USSR for a land lease of $ 1,3 billion. In total, the United States delivered goods to the USSR under a Lend-Lease amount of $ 10,8 billion, which, taking into account inflation due to the abolition of the gold standard of the dollar, at current prices is about $ 250 billion. The Soviet leaders refused to pay this amount, and only the traitor Gorbachev agreed to pay, and after the collapse of the USSR, Russia took upon itself all the debts of the USSR, and completely paid the debt under Lend-Lease.
    3. +7
      23 November 2018 08: 23
      Not all of them. Probably less than half. M. Sokolov, in his book "Car attack on the USSR" (about captured vehicles and lend-lease), notes that to this day on the territory of the former. Several dozens of Dodge survived the USSR. Including many in Siberia. Lend-Lease cars were removed from sight, out of large cities and the ceremonial system. They were decommissioned from the army in 1954, if I remember correctly, but remained in storage bases until the 1980s.
      1. jjj
        +3
        23 November 2018 11: 12
        My father was the foreman of the Osnaz company. in 1953 they still drove a Studebaker truck
    4. -2
      23 November 2018 14: 45
      not all, but only the one that the USSR did not want to leave to itself, usually worn out by the war
    5. AUL
      +2
      23 November 2018 19: 19
      Quote: ism_ek
      All equipment supplied by Lend-Lease was returned to the Americans.

      And as a child, I rode on Studebaker, when his driver, Uncle Mitya, was a little under the boot and put us guys in the back. The Americans overlooked this truck.
      But in general, according to the Lend-Lease agreement, we did not pay for what was spent and destroyed during the hostilities, and what remained was either to return it back or to pay and keep it for ourselves.
  4. +4
    23 November 2018 08: 26
    Good car. In the 60s in our city two or three similar cars survived the last days. According to the stories of drivers and locksmiths of the car depot where they were operated, there were two problems with these machines: they required high-quality fuel and lubricants and rubber, or rather tires. In the USSR, even had to organize the production of tires. And the last cars we completed operation with power units from Ha51 / 63 cars, but even then they were pulled to the last with cancellation, In fact, there was nothing to replace.
  5. +1
    23 November 2018 08: 55
    Something fuel consumption does not go into any gate. Almost 30 liters per hundred with a modest engine.
    Look at Shishigi's 20 norm, despite the fact that this is a completely different class of machine.
    1. +6
      23 November 2018 09: 04
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      Something fuel consumption does not go into any gate. Almost 30 liters per hundred with a modest engine.
      Look at Shishigi's 20 norm, despite the fact that this is a completely different class of machine.

      Today, equipment of this class is more efficient and consumes significantly less fuel.
    2. 0
      23 November 2018 12: 06
      very high-torque, just like a modern diesel engine.
      Somehow ride on this
    3. +5
      23 November 2018 12: 33
      Look at Shishigi's 20 norm
      - Nothing between the 20 machines of the difference years? and who fit into this norm?
    4. +7
      23 November 2018 13: 02
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      Something fuel consumption does not go into any gate. Almost 30 liters per hundred with a modest engine.

      Pfff ... in the USSR, when testing a domestic all-wheel drive car, they managed to achieve a flow rate of 80 l / 100 km when driving along a lane - with an engine of 73 hp. smile
      June 17, 1941. Showing truck tractors artillery systems. Participants: GAZ-61 Pickup (with ZIS-2 and 37 mm ZIK plus calculations), Pygmy NATI (the same and regiment), ZIS-32 (122 mm M-30, calculation, cargo in the back of 1200 kg), ZIS -36 (M-30 and 107 mm M-60, and 1800 kg), tracked conveyor (76 mm anti-aircraft gun of 1938, ZIS-2, team of 22 people).
      ZIS-32, ZIS-36 and a conveyor on a 100 km lane spend 80, 90 and 100 liters of gasoline of the 2nd grade.
      © E. Belash
      1. +3
        23 November 2018 14: 02
        Also to me, they compared a peredip with a carrying capacity of 750 kg with a ZIS-32 based on a ZIS-5 with a carrying capacity of 3 tons, especially since this machine was tested with a "cart of artillery systems".
        1. +3
          23 November 2018 18: 51
          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          Also to me, they compared a peredip with a carrying capacity of 750 kg with a ZIS-32 based on a ZIS-5 with a carrying capacity of 3 tons, especially since this machine was tested with a "cart of artillery systems".

          So initially surprised that the engine is 92 hp. gave a flow rate of 29 l / 100 km.
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          Almost 30 liters per hundred with a modest engine.

          So I decided to show that fuel consumption is not determined only by power.
          1. +3
            23 November 2018 21: 05
            Quote: Alexey RA
            So I decided to show that fuel consumption is not determined only by power.

            That's right. Fuel consumption is also determined by the perfection of the transmission.
            AWD TRUCK 3t.pdf

            At ZIS, the biggest problems arose with the gearbox and final drive. And the thing
            it’s not even that the unit was based on purely “gazovskie” details, and Likhachev never
            that he didn’t want to be dependent on “competitor-GAZ” for components. In those "strictly
            centralized "times are not so much and depended on desire or unwillingness
            specific leader. By and large, it rested on engineering and technology,
            which, with great difficulty and reservations, allowed the coordination of the elements of the ZIS-5 bridge with
            "Gazovskoy" main gear. Not only were there different from those accepted at
            ZIS slots, threads, base sizes and more, but there were also very inconvenient for
            the connection of the axle shaft with the keyed ends, made at the same time with the semi-axial gears
            (besides, the half shafts themselves were produced only of the same length). Very time consuming and
            uncomfortable (only through adapters) docked with them hinges "Rseppa", which had
            splined ends. And what NATI was able to do on the K2 prototypes at the car factory
            Stalin’s name for mass production did not come out technologically. But that too
            more to come - different gear ratios of the bridges complicated the drive to them (according to
            transfer case, cardan shafts and other elements). Therefore it was taken
            the decision to use "their" main gear from the ZIS-5 and similar to the back
            one-piece beam for the front axle (such as "banjo"). For such unification of the ZIS-32
            "Paid" with an increase in "dead" weight and a deterioration in traction and dynamic properties,
            since the front axle loaded significantly less received the same
            cumbersome and heavy double main gear as the rear, enclosed in
            like a heavy solid beam like the rear axle. From the calculated point of view
            This decision was very unprofitable, but it seems that ZIS had no other choice. "
            http://www.offroadvehicle.ru/AZBUCAR/NATI/AWD%20TRUCK%203%20t.pdf
            1. +2
              23 November 2018 22: 34
              Quote: Amurets
              That's right. Fuel consumption is also determined by the perfection of the transmission.

              I don’t know, to be honest, exactly what role does the transmission play in fuel consumption. But I once had an American with a 3.8 engine, without turbines, just an aspirated 95th year. Well, he in the city cycle ate 25 liters per 100 km of the 93rd without any guns on the trailer. True, and pulled like a tank. If that transmission was hydraulic, an ordinary old American automatic.

              I suspect that fuel consumption by 90% depends on the engine size, well, and also on the compression ratio.
              1. +1
                24 November 2018 04: 55
                Quote: Saxahorse
                I don’t know, to be honest, exactly what role does the transmission play in fuel consumption. But I once had an American with a 3.8 engine, without turbines, just an aspirated 95th year.
                American engines were not economical, this time. Engine excellence is determined by liter capacity and 24 hp / l for that time is not a bad result. Now a lot depends on the operation of the machine: according to the urban driving cycle (acceleration-braking), the consumption is always much higher than when driving on the highway
                "For more accurate calculations, special cycles are allocated, a detailed description of the cycles is available in the above mentioned Directives .:

                “Urban” cycle - is characterized by a greater intensity of changes in vehicle speed, including the need for warming up, engine operation during parking at traffic lights and in traffic jams, as well as acceleration and sudden speed drops to zero. As a result, increased fuel consumption;
                "Suburban" cycle - characterized by a greater smoothness and stable speed, close to cruising. Consequence: relatively low fuel consumption [source not specified 2477 days];
                A “mixed” cycle is a kind of “golden mean,” that is, the calculation is carried out in conditions where both sharp “urban” and calm “suburban” driving styles are used. Moreover, it is not necessary that the "suburban" part of the cycle is carried out outside the city: the main thing is to maintain the driving style as in the "suburban" cycle.
                1. 0
                  25 November 2018 19: 16
                  I understand what the urban cycle is. :) I'm trying to say that the main thing in fuel consumption is the volume of the combustion chamber which, with each cycle, has to be filled with gasoline-air mixture. If the number of revolutions is approximately the same, then the amount of fuel filling the combustion chamber is also approximately the same. So there is nothing surprising in the consumption of 29 liters per 100 km I do not see. The volume of the engine is binding. Well, they did not know other ways to increase power, in addition to increasing the volume.
                  1. 0
                    26 November 2018 01: 27
                    Fuel consumption depends on dozens of parameters. In a nutshell, this topic is not disclosed. But the main contribution is made by the human factor. If the car is serviceable, it is operated on normal fuels and lubricants and by one qualified driver, then the consumption will be several times lower than that of a young reckless racer on a ushanny sharaban with two additives to oil and four to fuel.
          2. 0
            23 November 2018 21: 35
            Yes, you remember the octane number of the fuel of those years. Of course it was necessary to pour it in buckets.
    5. +3
      23 November 2018 21: 59
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      Something fuel consumption does not go into any gate. Almost 30 liters per hundred with a modest engine.
      Look at Shishigi's 20 norm, despite the fact that this is a completely different class of machine.

      Do not know, do not state. At least on 116 hp engines the norm of the 66th was 31,5 l / 10o km. Then they began to put 126 hp. Norma remained the same. And the modern Patriot eats 18 liters, which, with some stretch, can be attributed to the same class with the Dodge. But 75 years have passed!
      I mean, at that time, the expense for the six of 92 forces is quite optimal.
    6. Alf
      0
      24 November 2018 17: 39
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      Something fuel consumption does not go into any gate. Almost 30 liters per hundred with a modest engine.

      In those days, the issue of fuel consumption, especially in a military machine, did not arise, especially in the United States.
  6. +14
    23 November 2018 09: 49
    Even today. If it were not for the Renault Nissan concern, which had begun to produce its models, they would have gone to the basins.
    As in an old joke: "Your children in Russia are very beautiful. And everything you do with your hands is very bad !!!"
    In general, as Russia was a backward country, it remained so. Well, white people cultivate us, the truth is.
    I just would like to clarify when in Russia, by Russia in this case, I mean RI, the USSR and the Russian Federation, so when did the first automobile plant producing cars in droves appear in Russia? And yes of course Russo-Balt cars have gained worldwide recognition.(Quote from another source)
    Less than 500 cars produced for the entire time the plant operates, and worldwide recognition.
    Okay, back to the rear-handedness of Russian auto designers, who could not do anything like the Dodge 3/4. And how many at that time we had real automobile designers who would have a staff of experienced engineers under their control, funding. Yes, there were simply not enough experienced tinsmiths, not to mention the turners-milling machines. In the 1960s, the older generation remembers how our "Muscovites" took prizes in rally-raids. Like the GAZ-21, together with the same Muscovites, were exported, and not only to socialist countries and Africa, but also to the now democratic Europe. Only where is this AZLK with its "Muscovites" now. The new owners were in such a hurry to close the plant so as not to interfere with their products to fill the country with old stored in landfills, the Western world, that they did not even allow the installation of new equipment purchased for a lot of money in the same West. Why was the same passenger compartment GAZ closed? Was it bad, not profitable, uncompetitive? Or something different? Although if it comes from your message, then really if the USSR had not been destroyed, then so would be on the "basins" and went. [/ quote]. In Russia, only children are very good at it. hi
    1. jjj
      +1
      23 November 2018 11: 14
      The main thing is that they learned to make good tanks, planes and barrels. Cars, as it turned out, could be bought
      1. +13
        23 November 2018 11: 44
        Quote: jjj

        The main thing is that they learned to make good tanks, planes and barrels.

        Have you learned? This cultured white people taught us !. Remember the first Soviet tank? What was it called - Russian Renault like? T-26 - licensed Vickers. BT family - modernization of the Christie tank. The T-34 with Christie's suspension went through the entire war. Aviation? The first Soviet mass aircraft R-1, what's this? Correct copy of De Navilend D.N. 9. Our aircraft engines such as M-105, M-25, M-63 and others produced before the war is that. All the same Hispano-Suizy, Wright Cyclones, and other BMWs. Jet aircraft? If the British hadn't sold us the Rolls-Reuss Nin on time, when would the MiG-15/17 and Il-28 have appeared? I can’t say anything about artillery, I’m a complete layman in it.
        Quote: jjj
        Cars, as it turned out, could be bought

        Of course, this is sarcasm on my part, just taking into account the level of education in 1917 in the country, by 1941 to create such an industry, engineering and scientific and design personnel, I just take my hat off to those leaders. But when they say that we Russians can’t make cars, they just accustom us, but they accustom us to accustom us to consider ourselves incapable of anything.
        1. +1
          23 November 2018 12: 04
          Quote: Fitter65
          Have you learned? This cultured white people taught us !. Remember the first Soviet tank? What was it called - Russian Renault like? T-26 - licensed Vickers. BT family - modernization of the Christie tank. The T-34 with Christie's suspension went through the entire war. Aviation? The first Soviet mass aircraft R-1, what's this? Correctly copy of De Navilend D.N. 9. Our aircraft engines such as M-105, M-25, M-63 and others produced before the war is that. All the same Hispano-Suizy, Wright Cyclones, and other BMWs. Jet aircraft? If the British hadn't sold us the Rolls-Reuss Nin on time, when would the MiG-15/17 and Il-28 appear?

          Well, so the Soviet planes of the 30s abroad were called by their European and American counterparts, for example, the SB - "Martin-Bobmer", etc.
          1. +1
            23 November 2018 13: 23
            Quote: Warrior2015
            Sat for example - "Martin-Bobmer"

            I did not begin to climb so deep, and is it necessary? After all, when they drop out with a spite - yes, our people do not know how to make cars - they are tempted to ask, and who do you relate yourself to? Really think, if you say that in our country there are such stupid people with higher education, then what is the degree of intelligence of others? Or do you relate yourself to another class, to which, if not secret?
            1. +1
              24 November 2018 08: 57
              Quote: Fitter65
              I no longer crawled so deep, and is it necessary? After all, when they throw out with an echid, they don’t know how to make cars, so they’re pulling to ask, and who do you refer to?

              First, it was about the Soviet industry 1930h years, and there everything was built on Western models; relatively normal domestic samples of the same aircraft - this is the very beginning of 1940x. Secondly, I do not belong to the domestic auto industry, and yes, I have always been surprised how a country making space rockets and nuclear submarines cannot make much simpler cars in proper quality and quantity.
              1. Alf
                +1
                24 November 2018 17: 44
                Quote: Warrior2015
                I was always surprised how a country making space rockets and nuclear submarines cannot make much simpler cars in the proper quality and quantity.

                And you remember the British tanks of pre- and military release. Britain produced excellent Merlin aircraft engines, but failed to achieve the reliability of tank engines.
        2. 0
          23 November 2018 12: 10
          Yes, if the British had not sold us the Rolls-Reuss "Nin" on time

          you do not destroy legends here. Not sold, but Mikoyan won the billiards wink
          1. 0
            23 November 2018 13: 25
            Quote: Avior
            Not sold, but Mikoyan won the billiards

            Well at least not at 21 laughing I heard a story about billiards.
        3. +7
          23 November 2018 13: 22
          Quote: Fitter65
          T-26 - licensed Vickers. BT family - modernization of the Christie tank.

          Forgotten T-18 - developed on the basis of "Fiat 3000".
          Quote: Fitter65
          Our aircraft engines such as M-105, M-25, M-63 and others produced before the war are what. All the same Spanish-Suiz, Wright-Cyclones, and other BMWs.

          EMNIP, before the war, the USSR had only one piston aircraft engine of domestic design.
          On the other hand, the French in May 1939 asked the Soviet government about the possibility of supplying Hispano engines - most likely the M-103A.
          Quote: Fitter65
          I can’t say anything about artillery; it’s a complete ignoramus in it.

          With artillery, too, everything is fun.
          The first Soviet 37-mm anti-tank vehicle is German. The next 45 mm is made on its basis.
          The first Soviet army anti-aircraft gun is German. The first Soviet serial MZA had Swedish roots.
          The M-30 howitzer has collected developments on the 122-mm howitzer "Lubok" (German development) and the 122-mm howitzer mod. 1910/30 (originally French development).
          In the navy, the "Italian" 100mm caliber supplanted the racially loyal Obukhov four inches.
          1. Alf
            +1
            24 November 2018 17: 45
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Before the war, the USSR had only one piston aircraft engine of domestic development.

            Two. AM-35.
        4. +3
          23 November 2018 22: 02
          Quote: Fitter65
          Did you learn? These white cultural people taught us! ........................................... .................................................. ....... I can’t say anything about artillery; I’m a complete layman in it.

          Otherwise, by the way, too. And why is this self-flagellation on display? Show off a high syllable? First, he poured a bunch of shit on everyone (for a look and on himself, too), then he pretended to wipe the shit in the form of a curtsy to veterans. But shit stinks anyway. Such passages would be told to his wife at the dacha near the summer cottage.
        5. 0
          23 November 2018 23: 48
          If the British hadn't sold us the Rolls-Reuss Nin on time, when would the MiG-15/17 and Il-28 have appeared?

          Oh, really ...
          As a result, the Junkers factories from Dessau and Bernburg together were almost completely removed to the management town near Kuibyshev (today Samara) to plant No. 2 of the MAP (Ministry of Aviation Industry of the USSR) (today JSC Motorostroitel). with 1000 German and Austrian aviation specialists. Under the leadership of Nikolai Dmitrievich Kuznetsov, German experts organized in the winter of 1946-1947. the release of the Soviet copy of Jumo-004 under the name RD-10. At factory number 16 in Kazan, BMW-003 turbojet engines under the name RD-20 and BMW-003C under the name RD-21 were produced. In addition, three new jet engine plants No. 36 in Rybinsk (now NPO Saturn), No. 478 in Zaporozhye (now OJSC Motor Sich), No. 466 in Leningrad were organized at the equipment of other German aircraft factories exported from Germany. . Source: https: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Jumo_004

          However, in 1946, before the start of the Cold War, the British Labor government, led by Clement Attlee, in an effort to maintain diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union, gave Rolls-Royce permission to export 40 Rolls-Royce Nene turbojet engines. Source: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%9A-1
        6. 0
          24 November 2018 22: 13
          The Zis-3 division is the famous Ballerina, a masterpiece of Vasily Grabin. His Zis-2 57mm caliber pierced the tiger skin from all projections
        7. +1
          25 November 2018 22: 10
          And where would American missiles be without Werner von Braun?
          And where would American nuclear scientists be without European physicists?
          And the fact that our designers from NIN began to create their own school of jet aircraft manufacturing - and what? Where it was necessary to begin the same. Or did you have to reinvent the wheel?
    2. 0
      23 November 2018 23: 36
      Supplement ... anyone interested in reading about the first all-Russian car Yakovlev-Frese '1896, can follow the link:
      http://www.autowp.ru/unsorted/akovlev-freze/pictures/ln3048/
    3. +2
      24 November 2018 07: 58
      Well, in the USSR, it really was not very much with the automotive industry, this is absolutely true. The costs of the planned economy, lack of competition and patronage from the top of certain factories did not contribute to the development of the word at all. "Muscovites" did not take any seats, drove to the end, which was not given to everyone, but they did not take seats. And the passenger compartment of GAZ was closed, because it really was unprofitable - the Cyber ​​did not take off.
      1. Alf
        0
        24 November 2018 17: 47
        Quote: LastPS
        "Muscovites" did not take any places,

        Moskvich-407 1958, the Belgian auto show.
        1. 0
          3 December 2018 10: 28
          In the 1960s, the older generation remembers how our "Muscovites" won prizes in rally-raids.

          I am here for that.
  7. BAI
    0
    23 November 2018 10: 03
    because often we have no analogues, unfortunately.

    The following can be noted here. For Lend-Lease, 3 (three) excavators were received during the entire war, which were not produced at all in the USSR.
    On the Internet there is a comparative table of which how much was obtained by Lend-Lease and how many corresponding products were made in the USSR. I saw her 1 time (from there I remembered 3 excavators), but I can not find it anymore.
  8. -5
    23 November 2018 10: 10
    In Russia today there are no cars of this class. There are close options, but that’s not it. And once there was a case, I asked one competent official why in the Russian Federation this topic is no longer being developed. And he honestly replied that today's automakers would set such a market price for such an assembly that it would be cheaper to buy and bring from Japan.
    Alas and ah. The Soviet-Russian auto industry, western and overseas, is a very weak competitor. The needs of Russian citizens, in terms of a combination of cross-country ability, reliability and comfort, are very weak. I also had a conversation with the modern owner of the "SUV" Range Rover, and so he said, he did not drive his car into the big mud. But purely for economic reasons, because the repair of such a car is expensive even for wealthy people. But on the highway, this imported device goes perfectly. And according to the owner, on an empty night road, when traveling to another city, at a speed of 200 km / h, you can fall asleep. Do not miss the main turn and traffic light, and the rest is done by the car.
    And what is interesting, the Soviet leadership did not make any conclusions from the received by Lend-Lease. At home, the production of such a miracle of technology did not work out. But the need was and is. Thank you for the article!))
    1. +8
      23 November 2018 10: 32
      Just done. I repeat - a machine of the same class was created and passed all the tests, but the industry did not have the capacity to produce it. But, history had a development - then the GAZ-62 arr. 1959 with a cabin above the engine, similar to a shishigu, but still a Dodge class. Even 70 pieces of a small series were released And then the great GAZ-66 itself, based on it. Recall that the Lend-Lease helped shape the final appearance of the GAZ-63 and contributed to the emergence of the ZIS-151, instead of the pre-war all-wheel drive GAZ-33 and ZIS-36. But here studentbucker and International have already become the subject of borrowing.
      1. jjj
        0
        23 November 2018 11: 17
        They told an interesting fact. The life of the car in front-line conditions is a week or two
        1. 0
          23 November 2018 12: 11
          seems like a great exaggeration ....
        2. 0
          23 November 2018 12: 15
          I agree that in the first line, among the attacking and defending forces, the life of the machine is very short. And in the second third line, they are still running, sometimes for years. An example is the civil war in Ukraine. I know one participant who got behind the wheel of a car there and a few months later drove her to Russia on it. And that car already in the Russian Federation, without any special repair costs, continued to serve it regularly for another 2 of the year. But there is one important amendment, the car was Japanese.
          1. -1
            23 November 2018 13: 27
            squeezed out? wink
            in the first line, an ordinary car has nothing to do actually, the armor should be
            1. 0
              23 November 2018 16: 37
              Of course, the car is not his, but by proxy. Before him, the militia took this Mitsubishi in some car dealership. And according to legend, the car dealership seems to have helped protect the rights and freedoms of those who opposed the Kiev coup. The rest of the details are not known to me. A few months later, having joined the militia, this participant received a car for use. He drove mail, groups on duty, wounded and more. Then he somehow managed to agree with the militias that he would leave for Russia in this car, for refugee status)) And then he sold it to the Russian Federation with the same power of attorney.
          2. +1
            23 November 2018 14: 59
            Quote: Arkady Gaidar
            But there is one important amendment, the car was Japanese.

            And what about being Japanese? I now know one friend he bought a jeep in 2008, on the 17th of this month he switched to the second hundred thousand kilometers on it, and also with minimal repair costs. But there is one important amendment jeep that UAZ-Patriot called. So what?. Well, the man is looking at the car and then problems.
            1. +1
              23 November 2018 16: 12
              A few years ago, my friend bought a second-hand, one-year-old UAZ-Patriot for himself and then spat out for a long time. About 3 months after the purchase, this jeep began to crumble godlessly. As a result, during the year of operation, that person invested about 50 thousand rubles in repairs. And it seems that the car was not broken and the mileage did not go off scale. Sold, moved to an old Audi 100, and now Russian off-road vehicles bypasses.
              1. +3
                23 November 2018 23: 01
                Quote: Arkady Gaidar
                my friend bought a supported, one-year-old UAZ-Patriot and then spat out for a long time.

                If I had learned how many stories I have about how a friend’s brother, a godfather’s godfather from a nearby street, a matchmaker and others, bought a Patriot and were so upset ... One competent operator writes that at a speed of 80 km / h he doesn’t engage a reduction gear fool , another tells how his acquaintances bought a Patriot, and now they are driving on the street in winter, and he froze in the back seat. And he didn't try to turn on the stove. Another writes about crampedness He says, with a height of 186 cm, the steering wheel does not fit in the Patriot, but in the CR-V he has enough space, but tried to adjust the seats? More cool, he wrote how he introduced himself - the dealer's representative, according to his comment, the new Patriot breaks down after 10-20 thousand km, the steering rods, racks and others fly mainly, and then he went more than once to the plant for the production of this car, so there no one works sober. True to the question, which bus stops at the B gate of the plant, it is like that from the branch immediately "out of the blue". I really don't know myself, I have never been to Ulyanovsk. Next The famous video of how the lad changed the thermostat, have you seen it? He lost a lot, he managed to disassemble the floor of the car, but he did not take it off, and there the work is a maximum of 30 minutes, well, if there is not a lot of work with a neighbor in the bazaar. so exactly straight along the nuts, as if someone cut off with a grinder, I still cannot understand where and how he could break it, when I flew around the corner at a speed of 80, and there I just changed my stocking, which was a poorly dusted ditch. Again, where is the car? I would have driven quieter would have had time to brake and the stocking would not have had to be changed. More than once, the story I told on this site about how my neighbor on his Gaia changed stands twice during the season, these are Russian roads. And when I broke through the rear shock absorber at 88 thousand in the taiga, it was a bad Russian car. I have an approximate spread of 100r per kilometer for 000 km, with the main one lying on a stocking. The most interesting thing is that those who hayat a patriot know very little about the topic they are talking about. So for reference, I have all the electronics on the Patriot Boshevskaya (what is not Audi) interior, gearbox, Korean distributor, Italy air conditioner. There are many different variations now. And then there are still shots take the budget option, UAZ-1000 in the back of the Patriot and start singing songs. So for information, my best friend at one time had Padzherik, and Niva, and Dzhimnik, this is purely for fishing trips, for the city he has a Kruzak 469 in 100. Niva sold, it was a pity but the spars began to rot the car all the same 2008 release. I took Dzhimnik, a very cramped thing for long trips, I sold it, but I sold it for a long time for 1985 years, all this time we went to the taiga in a Patriot. Now he took a Loaf for himself ... This is a real thing, whoever understands the topic ...
                1. -3
                  24 November 2018 01: 20
                  In this case, the person I know well, we have garages nearby. And his torment with the Patriot is therefore also well known. Personally, I am guilty of the fact that he bought this car from a private security company, where it was used by the officers on duty. Once he gave me a lift in this UAZ, drove into a workshop, the owner found out what needs to be bought for repairs. And there, from the locksmiths, I heard their verdict "Our SUVs are not allowed to reach speeds of over 120 km / h. They say that GOST standards for metals were like that and no one has changed them since then. the car began to crumble. This is a disease of the Soviet and Russian car industry, our brands of metals used for cars do not like high speeds. An SUV can climb out of the mud, drag a lot, but 120 km / h is a limitation for it. Otherwise, it will soon begin to crumble. " Something to lie, say that they are not going at all, I was not going to. And there is no reason. For what I bought, for what I sell. I myself have never driven a Patriot and I admit that its technical side is not worse than 469. And about the Niva three-door, I can tell you the opinion of local precinct officers. There are few good roads in the area, and they often did not cut off the front axle, leaving on a flat area. They drowned on an urgent basis on two bridges. As a result, at first the hodovka (gearbox and front axle) fell down, followed by the flow of the engine and the compression, as it turned out, became unimportant. And that's all, in about 9 months of operation. And the Niva precinct began for a long repair. Because the head office did not give money to do it right away. And at the same time, a familiar hunter has been driving an old 69 for many years and is not overjoyed. But on public roads, it almost does not go out on it, it almost does not have speeds above 60 (fields, flooded meadows, streams, rises and sotalnoe, it takes easily). This is what I myself had to meet with, with Russian SUVs.
                  1. +5
                    24 November 2018 01: 30
                    On Niva permanent four-wheel drive!
                    How to chop off the front axle on it?
                    The district policemen rode, rode along a bad road, since a good one started. We got up, removed the cardan and drove on, but the main thing is not faster than 120 km / h, because the load from this speed is several times higher than the load from driving on the road.
                    Bullshit!
                    Learn the materiel before writing your opus!
                    I have the honor!
                    1. 0
                      24 November 2018 01: 32
                      I did not go on it. These are the words of those same district officers.
                    2. -2
                      24 November 2018 06: 41
                      Before attacking, you would have learned to track the text. With what speed these policemen drove, did not write anything. And he just gave the opinion of those who used the Niva. And I admit that people just spun a fairy tale to somehow justify how they ditched a car in three blocks. Learn to sift and parse the text, Mr. "bullshit". Good luck.
                      1. +2
                        24 November 2018 10: 25
                        Not sure - do not overtake!
                        No need to broadcast nonsense.
                        Niva is an SUV developed in the USSR, therefore, based on your text, according to a mega-specialist from a car service that owns GOSTs, it does not withstand speeds above 120 km / h.
                        My three-door for more than a year of active operation in the Czech Republic did not have any breakdowns, although 140 km / h was for her normal speed.

                        Do not regard my words as attacks. Just your statements are very similar to the fact that you just have to say something, but how much it is correct and reliable is indifferent to you.
                      2. 0
                        24 November 2018 13: 46
                        Then it would also be good for you to think before expressing reproaches.
                        First, the topic of Russian SUVs was raised not by me, but by another participant in the discussion. I just mentioned that the militia was driving a foreign car and she showed herself well, But then someone decided to catch on to the words and rock the topic of Russian SUVs.
                        Secondly, I did not blame indiscriminately. And brought the information available to me. He did not cheat and explained that he himself did not own such machines. partly due to the cases mentioned here. Naturally, having no personal experience in owning these types of machines, I asked questions to those who owned and repaired them. There is such a way of training, so as not to step on the rake. And in general, you know, it was curious to understand why cars, which cannot be called old-fashioned, suddenly behaved badly. And it is logical that from the explanations of the mechanics, I concluded that the price of spare parts / the duration of their operation do not speak in favor of these types of machines.
                        Thirdly, people communicate in order to exchange information. I hope you remember that all forms of learning are built on this principle. And on this side, I’m even glad that such a dialogue took place. For many reasons, a person cannot know everything. Something better, something worse. and now I have a motive to take a closer look at the topic of modern Russian SUVs.
                        And fourthly, I don’t know about you, but I, in modern Russia, have come across fake spare parts, including domestic cars. And the more expensive the car, the more likely it is to run into a fake for the original.
                        So do not take it as a reproach, but your "just to say" is not entirely appropriate.
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              2. Alf
                +1
                24 November 2018 17: 55
                Quote: Arkady Gaidar
                Audi 100, and Russian SUVs now bypasses.

                Well done man! Sell ​​the PASSER, and buy the PARKER!
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                3. +2
                  25 November 2018 15: 03
                  How can you call the Audi 100 SUV? Here that, in general, no one even understands superficially in a car ???
                  1. Alf
                    -1
                    25 November 2018 21: 30
                    Quote: Roy Jones
                    How can you call the Audi 100 SUV? Here that, in general, no one even understands superficially in a car ???

                    Well, enlighten us, Siry, how can I change from a car with a high cross-country ability to a car with a high ROAD STABILITY?
                    1. 0
                      26 November 2018 08: 39
                      What? Audi 100 is just a sedan, what other road-safety car ??? Do you understand that SUVs are cars of size and class, Audi Ku5, BMW X5, Tiguan! These are called SUVs, not Audi 100 ...
                      1. Alf
                        -1
                        26 November 2018 19: 14
                        You will poke the toilet neighbor. Get into Google and take an interest in the meaning of the term APU.
                      2. -1
                        26 November 2018 22: 09
                        You will command your bedmate. Why would I google and be interested? So I will say 100% that the Audi 100 has nothing to do with the SUV. Just like your term APU has nothing to do with the word "SUV"
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              4. +1
                25 November 2018 15: 05
                Your friend moved from UAZ Patriot worth 600 thousand + Audi 100, cost 100 thousand ??? Dude, do you know his motives for sure? Or are you just blatantly lying. because from a car for 600 thousand, they don’t transfer to an old bucket 90years of release.
                1. -1
                  25 November 2018 15: 20
                  Probably right to address a stranger to "you"! maybe it will be more correct. We haven’t had a drink at brotherhood yet, nor have we fraternized to poke each other. I know his motives. He, after 31 Volga, had an Audi 100. He liked the car. Then he decided to sell and take a domestic SUV. I chose that option. I took it not for 600+, but somewhere a little over 400, maybe 450, one year old. The discount was due to the fact that the car was used by duty groups, drove often, ran under 50 thousand in a year. And at first he was happy with his purchase. But when it hit his pocket, this crumbling car, he eventually sold it and returned to the usual version of the Audi 100. And this bucket suits him. Does not rot (if you do not take Chinese parts), the parts themselves are inexpensive. From the very beginning, I hint that the questions about the car, at least in the region where I live (not rich, frankly), price / quality. But they don't seem to hear me.
                  In the future, if you want to communicate, go to "you" stop poking.
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                    1. 0
                      25 November 2018 15: 55
                      Range Rover, this is with my director. So what's wrong with me? Go on))
                      1. +1
                        26 November 2018 08: 44
                        What to continue) you operate on children's stories, like on an all-wheel drive field, with a non-disconnectable front end, district police officers forgot to disconnect this same front end. I don’t know why I started a conversation with such a person ..
                    2. -1
                      25 November 2018 17: 06
                      Okay. Since your poking and phrases "you stuttered there higher", the administration does not consider it rudeness, I will explain myself. You certainly managed to notice that I am a small specialist in automotive engineering. And, of course, I noticed that I was not lying. I don’t twist, I name things as I see them. And since I believed in what I wrote above, then I have to take this information into account. To begin with, let me remind you that the Internet is the same public place as everyone else where people meet. And among normal people, it is customary to behave politely. After all, the consequences of behavior are different. Today he insulted, and tomorrow he fell into ice, broke his leg or arm, a complex fracture, and the offended one will pass by, or turn away. In general, he will refuse to help when the offender has severe internal bleeding and life in the balance. And it happens that rude offenders are specially found in order to call to account. And here, it’s the Internet, Red Square, or the Time newspaper, it doesn’t matter anymore. Hamil? Please answer. And it so happened that I am just an expert in this matter. If you knew how sometimes yesterday's heroes cry. But tears cannot help grief. Insulted, answer. Incidentally, this is well reflected in the film "The Unthinkable", with Semuel Jackson in the lead roles. In principle, the usual work for the result. My profession, of course, is a little different, but there is still something in common. And without exaggeration, and bragging, I can say that a professor of psychology will not be able to tell those subtleties of personal re-education that are known to me in practice.
                      That’s why, it’s not clear to me when people around me don’t pull boors and bully. After all, they do a good thing in this way - they save a fool from worse consequences. And it is worth remembering that the earth is round. You never know where you have to meet with yesterday's opponent. And by and large, it doesn’t matter where, and it doesn’t matter when, if someone insulted someone and he harbored an insult. That is why I always try to be polite! So what if a person is wrong in something? His life experience tells him this is the course of events, but he simply does not know the other. And, if you really wish him well, so instead of rudeness, take and enlighten!
                      But, if even now it has not reached you, and sanity has not prevailed over emotions, then remember the golden commandment "No matter where and no matter when!" Time passes, such skirmishes are forgotten, but is the boor forgetting his rudeness, this is a big question ?! But this is so, good advice! And then you will think that I am threatening)))
                      1. 0
                        26 November 2018 08: 43
                        I read your words in passing, too much water, have respect for others, or if you just want your words to be read, write me briefly and briefly.
                        As for your "reliable" stories, I have already said, everyone has heard a lot of all sorts of nonsense, including myself, for example, the more expensive the car, the softer the body, and they say you can push the Ferrari with your finger. I heard it in the second grade) But I don’t carry it now. I have my own life experience, And I understand what was said then and by those, this is not at all true.
                        And you, you’ve considered all the rubbish you consider to be the purest truth.
                  2. +1
                    26 November 2018 08: 47
                    I repeat. change from a car worth 450, to a car worth 100 thousand, there are motives. for example, a person imagined that for cars at a price of more than 100 thousand, he would not pull the content. You do not understand this, your UAZ patriot was pouring as much as 50 thousand rubles a year. Ask your director how much his range rover rolls in a year
                    1. -1
                      26 November 2018 09: 29
                      I understand your reasons. We just have a different rating system. I’m not going to dissuade anyone, and I think everyone has the right to think as he wants. Range Rover Director, this is of course a status thing and therefore there are different maintenance costs. But this cannot be said about UAZ-Patriot. And as far as I know my garage neighbor, he reasoned more simply. If the machine will eat 50 thousand per year for its maintenance, then for 5-6 years, you will pay for it, as for half a new one. The last Audi weaving, he took for 70, put 30 in it to restore. And for several years (3, to be precise), she eats thousands of 10-15 per year for her annual service. Plus road tax. Everything. And I'm talking about that, the cost of that SUV was too big. This is where we diverge.
                      1. 0
                        26 November 2018 12: 11
                        Patriot costs 1 lyam. Audi 100 does not cost anything. That's all. You can take 6k for 30 thousand, and ride on it for two years I invested a maximum of 10 thousand. And what will be better than 6k Patriot? Your machine rating system only works on 20 year old buckets. Do you have more than 10 thousand for any new foreign car or our brand for servicing? Since then, what are some other little things, and that they will be worse than the Audi 100? It’s ridiculous.
                        About the Audi 100 is doubly funny, this is a bucket of the 80s, it's a shame to even ride this one, then that your friend hardly invests in it, this does not mean that it is "ideally"
                        In general, I just have a brain rupture from your messages, how can I put such old buckets with a 30-year-old salon inside as an example? I wonder!
                      2. -1
                        26 November 2018 12: 26
                        Here is with "a shame to ride" and had to start)) I say the same assessment system is different. And my comment is already much higher, where I explained that you do not understand me. Or rather, you don't want to understand. I have met people like you. Passionate car enthusiasts. Fortunately, I am not. For me, a car is just a means of getting from point A to B. And whether it has a leather interior, forged piston and other "advantages of civilization", I do not care. I need cheap, simple and convenient. Therefore, in order not to waste each other's nerves and time, I propose to end here. Finally, I will remember one friend and his words. Maybe at least it will convey my point of view to you. His name was Alexander, a Jew by nationality, and he also rewarded a decent time for fraud with public money. So he said: “In Russia, people think that in order to be good at dying, they have to earn a lot. While in the world around them, often, millionaires are those who save a lot! When I first visited the Kingdom of Luxembourg, I was extremely surprised to learn that there, about every fifth citizen is a millionaire. They live in ordinary apartments, go to ordinary jobs, wear ordinary clothes and drive ordinary cars. Millionaires in them do not give out anything if you do not know about their bank accounts. And most likely, we will be in Russia live the same way, when we also learn to save and count every penny! "
                        Best of luck!
                      3. 0
                        26 November 2018 12: 32
                        Have you already saved on a millionaire? To earn millions it is necessary to earn them, not save. Here you bought an old stinking shushlaika Audi 100, you drive in it and smell the dirty, soiled salon for years, working at work for 30 thousand. How close will you be to getting the status of a "millionaire"?) Not at all!
                        Your examples are exactly the opposite of your words)
                      4. +1
                        26 November 2018 12: 40
                        In general, why have millions on your account and use old junk?) What is the meaning of life then? Saving money for money? Something your Alexander has Jewish roots, doesn’t say anything, doesn’t it seem?) Although he forgot, you are ready to drive on any bike, such as the one that the district police officers forgot to turn off the front in the field)))
                        And I ask, stop complaining))) Or a joke when your last word is, and your opponent does not know that his comment has been deleted? Little victory?))
                      5. -1
                        26 November 2018 17: 05
                        It is clear, and now I understand nothing. And about the millionaire, so we are not the Principality of Luxembourg, it is still today's Russia. that's how it is. That Alexander is not mine, but a controlled person (I thought you would guess). He at one time with the administration of the Moscow region performed a fraud, for 10 million dollars. Hiding in Europe. He lived in Luxembourg for half a year, handled some business. This policeman still recalls that deception. Do not worry about it. They intersect with me in any case. We bought for the fact that I’m poorly thinking in such a technique. And no, I'm not a millionaire. He spent a significant part of his life on protecting the interests of the Motherland, but this did not make me rich. Alas fact!
                        I’m kind of not talking to the administration. From that long comment I decided to go out on my own. because somehow sluggishly. We probably write a lot))
                        Such things I do not consider for victory. It is a stupid idea to gain credibility among strangers by inflating a turkey on the Internet and deleting objectionable comments. Frankly stupid idea!
                        At the expense of why live and save? Then I think everyone chooses for himself. And here I remember a couple of friends, since auto topics. I met one such athlete, a drag trainer. And he himself never came across this. He has our seven. Instead of the left headlight, the tin, instead of the right, the pipe sticks out. I asked. It turns out that the engine there is not a quintuple, but from dozens or something, all enumerated, forged piston. In general, he told everything for a long time and colorfully. But, as you probably understand, my counter clicks on the amounts. And he is not hiding so, but what do you want? After every competition, I go through the engine and gearbox! And in a year it turns out to me more than a hundred (he turned out to have his own car repair shop, and dragging is a hobby) In general, motorsport is expensive! And why, after every competition, sort out? After all, it is not only expensive, but also troublesome! Do something or what? Answer: The box is unambiguous, because when accelerating from the start, you do not squeeze the clutch when switching. The fractions of a second are lost and therefore you cut the next speed by force. And the pleasure, here sit in a metal cabinet and let you throw off a high-rise. While flying euphoria. Well, do you win? - I ask. This year, on races, I once took the 30 thousand prize and some valuable gift. So answer why he lives ?! Probably for such peculiar pleasures.
                        Another, this motorcyclist. There are auto rights, but does not recognize cars, in winter on public transport. In the garage 4 (!) Motorcycle. I ask, why do you need so much ?! And in response Tsundap is a rarity, I don’t touch it, only sometimes I drive it out and roll it up. Java-bench is a Soviet classic, I ride on it for a day during the season. I go to Harley constantly (and he costs a million). Well, and when it is being repaired, or bored, I change to my Ducati (it seems to be even more expensive than Harley). And he lives with his wife and son in a removable small family. So think about what he lives for? Probably everyone has his own!
                        In general, I think, if you hadn’t immediately started to "take it right off the bat," we would have long and calmly discussed these issues and peacefully ended the dialogue. Good luck!
      2. +2
        23 November 2018 18: 31
        Kapotnik GAZ-62, kapotnik, (you will not believe it was called GAZ-66), with a tarpaulin cabin, for landing. The descendants of that dojik, we have Tigers and other similar cars all over the world. I will correct the author a little, the brushes at full throttle refuse to work, the chokes are open, there is no vacuum. The more gas, the slower the brushes on the glass crawl. I had to dump the gas sometimes, or help with pens.
    2. 0
      24 November 2018 01: 22
      Yes, how no, then? And GAZ "Tiger" is what you think?
    3. 0
      24 November 2018 01: 39
      Yes, how no, then? And GAZ "Tiger" is what you think?
      1. -1
        24 November 2018 15: 10
        Ah, so you asked me a question? If so, then I apologize, I did not immediately see it. During the service, I did not find these machines. But as far as I know, the Tiger is an armored car. And therefore, it is not entirely correct to compare them with open Dodges.
        1. 0
          25 November 2018 01: 33
          Naturally not correct, because tea is not the 45th year
          Requirements for cars have changed
          1. -1
            25 November 2018 10: 53
            Alexander! Thanks to you, I began to become a little more interested in the topic of Russian SUVs. Found a Tiger in an unarmored version on the market. And let's start with the mass of the machine and its availability to the average buyer? That Mitsubishi L200 pickup truck with which our dispute began, the car is quite affordable, in terms of price, at least to many residents of Russia. But after looking at the cost of the new GAZ-Tiger, I got the opinion that it is cheaper to buy a one-year Range Rover than a domestic SUV.
            Yes, most likely the car is quite passable, and given the price of it, I assume that it is also quite reliable. And here it is worth figuring out how much this universal machine is widespread in the army? As the same tractor, ambulance, the transport of food and ammunition. And are these numbers comparable to the same Dodge?
            You probably missed this part of my first comment, and it was written there that I was interested in a high official, why are we still not having cars of this class? In the sense of production. After all, the army and the national economy also need them.
            Due to the fact that until recently little was interested in this topic, he knew little. But the author of the article quite aired me forward to tell you that there are such cars in the USSR / Russia. But for a number of these reasons, they are much less common than in the West and in the USA.
            And, if you answer honestly these questions, it will become obvious to you that for today, the most suitable and affordable example for comparison with the Dodge is a UAZ Patriot pickup truck with a body like that of the aforementioned L200. And the first comparison of these cars is as follows: The patriot has a less gluttonous engine. Most likely, he overcomes dirt and off-road better (the base is expanded, the body is different and therefore it is necessary to check this car separately), but the carrying capacity and most likely traction on the trailer are less than that of Dodge. I found out that a friend of the meat merchant has a Patriot pickup. And he has been riding on it for a long time for meat, buying up several areas. I’ll see him again, and ask for an opinion about the car.
            Summarizing. I repeat that I wrote in the first comment. Cars comparable to the Dodge are still inaccessible to the average Russian citizen, due to the expensive price (domestic) and cheaper to buy a foreign car of this class. In service, Russian cars of this class are no cheaper than foreign cars, although plants are here, metals are here. That is, no border crossing, customs payments, extra charges for a large number of resellers. But in terms of the service life of spare parts, at prices comparable to foreign cars, Russian cars are far from the leaders. Of course, for the army and the police, this does not matter much during the war. But now, in my hometown, on the equipment of the local OMON, there are only 2 GAZ-Tiger, with a staffing of three hundred people. That is not enough. And so, for peacetime, in any case, for the police, the car is also expensive.
            Conclusion: Do not consider our fellow citizens fools. They have long voted in favor of imported pickups in rubles. For they know how to calculate the costs and revenues of cars.
            I hope now everything, the question is settled ?!
            1. 0
              16 December 2018 22: 50
              you’re just a dumb ass who could only crow
    4. Alf
      0
      24 November 2018 17: 50
      Quote: Arkady Gaidar
      And what is interesting, the Soviet leadership did not make any conclusions from the received by Lend-Lease. At home, the production of such a miracle of technology did not work out.

      GAZ-62. Yes, not serial.
  9. +2
    23 November 2018 10: 22
    As for what to compare it with - only GAZ-61-417 is close, the author forgot about them, in 1941 only 36 pieces were released in the artillery truck variant, with the attached ZIS-2 as part of the TBR TBR batteries they immediately went to the front from the factory. But technically they are of the previous, half-ton class, with a payload of 2 people + 500 kg, or 6 people + 200 kg of ammunition. And almost an exact copy, GAZ-62 mod. 1952, did not go into series - there were no capacities.
  10. 0
    23 November 2018 10: 42
    the right article, the right car ...., which gave a big kick to the development of the Soviet car industry ... no offense to the latter, it practically did not exist, but thanks to the war it appeared ... as far as I heard, "shishiga" was made on the basis of Dodge , Studebaker - a sample for the Urals…. , lend-lease was helpful ... whatever they say ...
    1. +3
      23 November 2018 20: 33
      Quote: wooja
      Studebaker - a sample for the Urals ....

      How to put it, in general, "Stud" was the progenitor of our ZiS-151, which, in turn, was the progenitor of the ZiS-157
  11. 0
    23 November 2018 12: 04
    In some pictures, the Dodge WC52 is with a winch.
    both near really give the impression of an army jeep lol


    http://faeton.zp.ua/avtomobil-dodge-wc-51-ssha/
    http://faeton.zp.ua/nasha-tehnika/page/3/
    1. +1
      23 November 2018 15: 01
      The car in the picture is unique in its own way. The first head of the Zaporozhye Phaeton club Leonid Khlevny managed to find a working Dodge WC-51 through the Internet ... in Norway. The car, which had 39 thousand kilometers on its speedometer, crossed the path through all of Europe with a length of 2,6 thousand kilometers on its own with virtually no breakdowns. It was in the early spring of 2003, and Leonid Yevtikhievich became very cold in an open cabin, which subsequently caused an exacerbation of a number of his chronic diseases. In November 2006, at the age of 67, he suddenly died. This car is a memory of the founder of the restoration movement in Zaporozhye.
  12. 0
    23 November 2018 12: 08
    By the way, if you believe the site of the museum
    Along with the base model WC-51 and WC-52 (with a winch), command and staff (WC-53), closed sanitary (WC-54), command and reconnaissance (WC-55) and other modifications were produced
  13. +5
    23 November 2018 12: 12
    Thank you very much dear Roman for such a wonderful article! Everything is accurate, objective and professional! This car is one of those who made the RKKA mobile and allowed to perform maneuverable operations in 1943-45, really domestic counterparts, comparable in performance, and most importantly in quantity, not.

    I was especially struck by this photograph, which for some reason very few people paid attention to. In fact, we have before us a direct "great-grandfather" of "tachanoks" used by jihadists in our time in Libya, Syria and other countries. Surprisingly, combine a large-caliber machine gun and a cannon on one platform; this clearly (at least in the US Army at the time) made it possible to form highly mobile fire support units.
  14. +5
    23 November 2018 12: 43
    "I noticed that the passenger has a hand-operated windshield wiper." There, the same vacuum is just like the reenactors have not assembled it ..
  15. +2
    23 November 2018 13: 01
    Dodge 3/4 is definitely a good car.
    Roman is definitely a plus for the article. Briefly, informative, illustrative, without water and lyrics.
    But here's one thing - there was a car of a similar class in the USSR, this is GAZ-61-417, there is newsreel footage of this "Gazik" pulling a ZiS-2 cannon with the calculation in winter. They can be seen in the film "Cars in epaulettes". There were very few of these machines, but they were all the same ... If I am not mistaken, the author was a talented designer and a wonderful person - Vitaly Grachev.
    1. +3
      23 November 2018 13: 49
      Quote: fighter angel
      But one moment, there was a car of a similar class in the USSR, this is GAZ-61-417

      Yes, it was, although inferior to Dodge in engine power (85 hp) and load capacity (400 kg). Only now they stopped making it in the 41st due to a shortage of rolled steel.
  16. 0
    23 November 2018 13: 32
    I just can’t understand the logic of the American automobile industry of that time - to shove 8-pot engines far over a hundred mares into civilian buckets that never go from the highway to far, and then to the army tractor-SUV - Tractor, Karl! - 6 cylinders and 92 hp
    Okay, we didn’t have strong engines, so everywhere we put the obsolete GAZovsky, but they did.
    1. +3
      23 November 2018 14: 07
      Just in the US capitalism. In a citizen, a consumer hamster is ready to overpay for extra liters and horses in his car to seem cooler, as now hamsters are ready to overpay for iPhones. But the Army saved money, and therefore ordered that it is simpler and cheaper.
      1. +1
        23 November 2018 19: 50
        By the way, it’s purely hypothetically interesting if the United States could win the war on its territory when, for example, their entire east coast would be occupied by the enemy. With your capitalism, we would be able to transport industry from one end of the country to the other and quickly and quickly force the transported enterprises to establish output ...
        1. 0
          23 November 2018 23: 07
          Quote: DimanC
          With your capitalism, we would be able to transport industry from one end of the country to the other and quickly and quickly force the transported enterprises to establish output ...

          could, these Protestants are by nature all workaholics, and, together with the need and purpose of victory, they also begin to work to death.
          The main thing here is that the enemy should be aware of the need, too. You just described the case when almost any nation of white people mobilizes their best qualities.
          1. 0
            24 November 2018 14: 47
            Quote: Antares
            Protestants by nature are all workaholics, and together with the need and purpose of victory, they also begin to work to death.

            Why Protestants?
            See Israel first years.
    2. +1
      23 November 2018 17: 39
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      8-pot engines far over a hundred mares, and here on the army tractor-off-road vehicle - TARGET, Karl! - 6 cylinders and 92 hp
      - you didn’t pay attention - it is LOW-TURNING. This is good for the all-terrain vehicle of the tractor, the wheels will not turn and the maximum moment is below ...
      And 8 potted, so that on the highway to saw 140 miles / hour, there just needs a maximum moment at the top
      1. 0
        23 November 2018 18: 57
        Quote: your1970
        - you didn’t pay attention - it is LOW-TURNING. This is good for the all-terrain vehicle of the tractor, the wheels will not turn and the maximum moment is below ...
        And 8 potted, so that on the highway to saw 140 miles / hour, there just needs a maximum moment at the top

        The low-revving engine is voracious in fuel.
        And the problem with maximizing torque at low speeds is solved by the demultiplier, on which the Yankees saved.
        1. 0
          23 November 2018 19: 45
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          The low-revving engine is voracious in fuel.

          In what aspect is he gluttonous? If we take two engines, similar in power, 5TDF and B-46, then the lower-speed V-46 eats less.
          1. 0
            23 November 2018 20: 26
            Quote: svp67
            two similar engines 5TDF and B-46

            Two-stroke and four-stroke are incorrect to compare. In a two-stroke, ceteris paribus consumption is higher.
            1. 0
              23 November 2018 22: 51
              in war, the main thing is to get there, and how much fuel it will gobble up is the tenth
              1. +1
                23 November 2018 22: 54
                Quote: your1970
                and how much fuel he will eat, the tenth thing

                And to deliver this fuel to the troops?
                In the Germans' instructions for the "Tiger", the crew's attention was especially focused on how much fuel it consumes and how many difficulties its production and delivery are associated with.
                1. 0
                  23 November 2018 22: 58
                  good-good, persuaded ... you're right - the dodge is bad ...
                  Is it easier for you?

                  to take into account that a small (relatively) engine is easier, that a demultiplier is not needed on a low-abrader, which led to weight loss and better cross-country ability under certain conditions, weakly?
                  1. 0
                    23 November 2018 23: 02
                    Quote: your1970
                    good-good, persuaded ... you're right - the dodge is bad ...
                    Is it easier for you?

                    to take into account that a small (relatively) engine is easier, that a demultiplier is not needed on a low-abrader, which led to weight loss and better cross-country ability under certain conditions, weakly?

                    Did I say that he is bad? It simply surprises the inverted approach of the Americans. We have all the best - children troops, and they like that according to the residual principle. Even the second janitor could not do with a mechanical drive.
                    1. +1
                      24 November 2018 06: 16
                      Quote: Narak-zempo
                      Just surprised twisted approach of the Americans. We have all the best - the children of the troops, and they like this on the residual principle.

                      I would not say that. For example, the civilian version of the Hammer was not originally planned to do, Schwarzenegger persuaded.
                    2. +3
                      24 November 2018 14: 57
                      Quote: Narak-zempo
                      It just surprises Americans inverted approach

                      You do not quite imagine the situation in the American army of the 30s-40s. It was somewhat reminiscent of the current well-wishers. There was no question of any technical policy what industry would offer - that’s what they took.
                      The industry, in turn, offered mainly more or less successful adaptation of commercial solutions. Dodge 3/4, just one of the more successful. A proven, familiar to many draftees, long standing in the series engine, quite suitable for a car of this class.

                      Was would Americans have a technical policy - was would diesel 71 series on everything, IMHO. But this is empty talk.
                2. Alf
                  0
                  24 November 2018 18: 07
                  Quote: Narak-zempo
                  And to deliver this fuel to the troops?

                  For the Americans, logistics worked so that the Germans quietly envied.
        2. +1
          25 November 2018 05: 42
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          Quote: your1970
          - you didn’t pay attention - it is LOW-TURNING. This is good for the all-terrain vehicle of the tractor, the wheels will not turn and the maximum moment is below ...
          And 8 potted, so that on the highway to saw 140 miles / hour, there just needs a maximum moment at the top

          The low-revving engine is voracious in fuel.
          And the problem with maximizing torque at low speeds is solved by the demultiplier, on which the Yankees saved.


          Deformed engine - traction on the "bottom". Very useful for carrying cargo. The resource will also thank you - the working conditions are very difficult
    3. +1
      23 November 2018 19: 06
      There were 16 cylinder in-line engines in passenger cars in America. Somehow I hardly imagine a dodge with a 3 meter hood, an understated eggplant color. In the army, cars are needed not for show-offs, but for work. More powerful engine. then it was heavier, so the front end would be overloaded and sit on the frame a jeep in the first puddle. Manageability is also not a fountain. Well, fuel consumption. Therefore, they considered dozens of options and chose a middle ground.
      1. -1
        23 November 2018 19: 15
        Quote: Free Wind
        Somehow I can hardly imagine a dodge with a 3 meter hood, an understated eggplant

        8 pots do not need to be pulled in one row, you can put a V-flank or better opposites.
        Any extra 30 kg will not critically overload the front axle, especially against the background of a sharp increase in power supply.
        1. +2
          23 November 2018 22: 53
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          8 pots do not need to be pulled in one row, you can put a V-flank or better opposites.
          - nevertheless, they decided to do so, they considered it necessary such an option.
          And no one could beat the Americans in the matter of cars then
        2. +2
          25 November 2018 12: 40
          what is a sharp increase in power supply? what are you talking about? More powerful engines with higher torque were placed on heavier machines, everything was calculated by design engineers. I advise you not to write your thoughts out loud!
    4. Alf
      +2
      24 November 2018 18: 06
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      and here on the army off-road tractor - TARGET, Karl! - 6 cylinders and 92 hp

      Maybe this is because they do not require high speed from an army man-tractor-rogue, but a frantic traction is needed very much.
    5. +1
      25 November 2018 12: 38
      You can not understand the logic of designers, only because of the limitations of your knowledge. Low rpm torque is important to the truck, not horsepower output
  17. +1
    23 November 2018 13: 36
    Father (went through the whole war) spoke very well about this car. As for the surviving specimens ... In Chernogolovka I saw a couple of cars. Although it may already be other modifications.
  18. +3
    23 November 2018 16: 07
    The father of a friend said that in the 60s, when he came to the plant, he drove around the territory in the form of a "Dodge" punishment. Without numbers and went on it all and sundry. So, sometimes they made trips out of the territory, and so that there were no problems with the police, they wrote "film shooting" on the boards in chalk in large letters !!! )))))
  19. 0
    23 November 2018 19: 47
    Boris Yulin spoke very interestingly on the topic of Lend-Lease https://youtu.be/2V1KjMB6A4Y
    In general, Lend-Lease enabled the industry of the USSR to concentrate on several specific areas without diverting resources to others.
  20. -1
    23 November 2018 22: 12
    Quote: VIT101
    But shit stinks anyway.

    And you better sniffIf it were not for the Renault Nissan concern, which had begun to produce its models, they would have gone to the basins., here I understand it does not smell. Or when you say that they can’t do cars in Russia, is it also odorless?
  21. +1
    23 November 2018 22: 29

    Who cares can read about the Soviet counterpart Dodge wc following the link:
    http://www.gruzovikpress.ru/article/3215/
    1. +1
      24 November 2018 00: 39
      By the way, this car was lit in the movie "Eternal Call". Where Yakov Oleinikov with a handful of fighters is fighting off the Bandera, and the support group on these cars cannot break through the blockage with an ambush. I also remember that we guys called him "Big Lawn"
  22. 0
    23 November 2018 22: 39
    Wonderful truck! In my opinion, one of the most useful cars of the war.

    True, the question is constantly tormented, but how did the driver get out of his place out? Is the wheel on the left, does it lean back, or is it the only way out through the right door?
    1. +1
      23 November 2018 22: 59
      the wheel served as protection for the driver on the left
      1. 0
        23 November 2018 23: 45
        Does it open? Did you touch him?
  23. 0
    25 November 2018 18: 17
    The case when reading comments is more interesting than the article.
    I generally prefer to read polemical battles in the comments.
  24. kig
    0
    29 November 2018 01: 50
    here it is interesting:

    Test drive Dodge WC-51, aka Dodge 3/4
    https://www.drive2.com/l/466744886087909487/