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Gods of war in the Donbass. Part of 1

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To begin the narration about the artillery of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has to be based on the traditional thesis about the general low level of personnel training and the unsatisfactory state of the guns. From the very beginning, the notorious anti-terrorist operation in the army were called artillerymen-reservists, who in many ways poorly versed in this kind of troops. There were even facts of non-combat casualties among personnel before the outbreak of hostilities. So, in March 2014 of the year at Perekop, due to negligence, the Msta-S self-propelled gun was detonated, and in May of the same year another self-propelled gun was lost.




Gods of war in the Donbass. Part of 1



"Baptism of Fire" on a large scale, if I may say so, the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine received in the battles of Slavyansk. She worked on the militia and civilians as a barrel and rocket artillery, which, in fact, proves the indiscriminateness of the Ukrainian army in striking. The artillery divisions of the 55 artillery brigade named after Colonel-General Vasyl Petrov, who was later given the name "Zaporizhian Sich", distinguished themselves the most. The brigade consisted of five divisions: 3 howitzer (2А65 "Msta-B"), anti-tank (MT-12 "Rapier" with ATGM) and reconnaissance. Separately, it is worth mentioning that the Ukrainian military command never used the entire Vasiliy Petrov artillery brigade - most of the divisional scale was involved in the shelling.

The response of the Donbass militia to massive shelling as early as July of 2014 was a methodical and well-controlled counter-battery struggle. The 55-mentioned brigade under Krasny Liman came under such a return fire and for one raid immediately lost 6 howitzers "Msta-B".





As is known, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the needs of the “antiterrorist operation” was not ashamed to send into battle heavy vehicles like the MLRS 9K58 “Smerch” of 15 units (base in Drohobych in Lviv region) and 107 of the Kremenchug rocket artillery regiments. The last regiment was actively used in the districts of Kramatorsk, Artemyevsk and Debaltseve, often shelling the militia with openly “stale” missiles — a lot of ammunition remained to stick out of the ground unexploded. However, now the command of the APU pays special attention to just rocket technology. Defense engineering engineers are busy testing and adopting guided munitions (apparently GPS) for Smerch under the name Alder. Ukrainians made the first shots of Alder back in 2016, and Turchinov liked them very much, who said: “... unlike Russian counterparts, Ukrainian missiles are guided, and that’s why they hit targets more efficiently and more precisely, which was proved during the tests” . The works on such an important project for the Ukrainian Armed Forces are coordinated by the Luch Kiev State Design Bureau.


Flight Alder

One of the first results of statistical calculations showed that by March 2016 of the year, for various reasons, the Smerch 13 combat vehicles were disabled. How many of them went to the next world for non-combat reasons? Statistics is silent.

Sumy 27 th rocket artillery regiment is, in its own way, a unique unit of the armed forces of Ukraine. In fact, only they had an "intermediate" MLRS 9K57 "Hurricane" caliber 220 mm. The regiment has a very textured and formidable name - “Sumy Boar”, which, however, did not protect them from very serious troubles.

Testimony of volunteer Pavel Narozhny involved in 27 ReAP maneuvers:
“March 1 (2014 of the year) the regiment in full brought out to Mirgorod, after all from Sumy to the border with Russia the whole 34 kilometer. There is a video of how they were driving ... in the literal sense of the word, the technique on the road crumbled. In early June, we hired several specialists at the Frunze Machine-Building Plant, who, after taking a vacation, went to repair military equipment. We worked all June so that the batteries could go to combat positions without any problems. And our mechanics could make a unique thing. In "Hurricanes" a platform is used, which is not available on any other jet installation - ZIL-135 LM. If even the slightest failure in the engines, the car just starts throwing them side to side. There is a special Russian-made electronic unit that synchronizes the operation of these engines. We have no such units in warehouses, but Russia, it is clear that they no longer supply them. These blocks are non-separable - soldered, and our electronics engineer Vladimir Sumtsov was able to cut it and find the element base. So, he is now repairing these units ... at home. "


It remains to hope that the level of military-technical service of the Armed Forces of Ukraine remained at the same level now. Further Narozhny complains:
“The main problem: the platform for the transportation of artillery installations is ZIL-135LM. There are two engines with a total horsepower 250. They eat 150 l on 100 km. On the modern engine for 150 l can make 1000 horses. Moreover, this technique is hopelessly outdated. ”








They threw "Hurricanes" 27 ReAP batched across virtually the entire front, plugging their hot directions. Valery Ismailov, a regiment, said: “Geographically, the units of our regiment are located along the entire contact line and act in all directions: Mariupol, Debaltsevsk, Donetsk, Luhansk. Virtually all units of the regiment are working, including now, on the hottest destinations that everyone has heard. ” The militia often suffered sensitive losses from such powerful artillery, which, among other things, was sufficiently mobile.



For this reason, 27 ReAP units became the priority targets for the artillery of Donbass defenders. The story of the soldier of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of Ukraine Sergey Romanenko about the experienced horrors is very remarkable:
“For three days enemy drones were constantly circling over us. The anti-aircraft gunners fired a lot of ammunition for them from the Tunguska, but to no avail. September 3 we were ready all day, as 72 hours for the ultimatum about the unconditional surrender of positions and technology have already passed. And in 19: 20 started. Immediately realized that this is not "Grads" and not "Hurricanes" are shooting at us. In just a few seconds, most of the personnel were already in dugouts. The soldiers, who were in the hangar with the equipment, died immediately: the missile hit the center directly. Somewhere near the dugout, where, besides me, there were still 11 servicemen, a missile exploded. Something banged in my head - I went blind and lost my hearing. After some time, the vision returned. Then I realized that I was covered with sandstone on the shoulders. Probably saved that did not lie, and was located half-sitting. Slowly began to dig himself. Everything around me was burning and exploding. Apparently, after the shelling, our Hurricane missiles and SAU ammunition, which were nearby, detonated. Explosions were interspersed with human screams. First I dug up Major Pavel Pogorelov. He was conscious and called me himself. The shovel was not at hand, so I had to work with my hands. He said he was choking. But everything worked out. Freeing the body to the knees, I realized that the officer would live. Armed with a flashlight (it was already dark), I began to look for other soldiers. ”


Worked in units of the army of Ukraine BM-30 "Smerch". The militia ultimatum was not adopted ...

To be continued ...

Used materials from the resources kloch4.livejournal.com and petrimazepa.com.
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 17 November 2018 07: 09
    +15
    What terrified me the most: Russian surnames and names of these gunners-nonhumans gunners !!!!
    1. LeonidL
      LeonidL 17 November 2018 07: 25
      +4
      The family is not without freaks, sir!
    2. dgonni
      dgonni 17 November 2018 15: 50
      -22
      bring at least one surname purely Russian! Well, if you can!
      P.S. from the described in fact almost everything is true. The army was not from the word waabsche. Nevertheless, a rebuff was given. Novorosia did not take place. The attempt at the moment to get into a big fight for Russia will end in huge losses and not the fact of fulfilling what is intended.
      P.S. 2 I have a dumbest voposok to the great helmsman. WHAT FOR? was all this? If it was possible to nightmare Ukraine with a gas contract and having in the deck a bunch of parties that all welcomed this? Yes, the closure of one mine in the Donbas would result in 10-15 years of howling and confrontation. There would be no talk of NATO bases or even attempts to enter their structures. At the moment, all unprofitable Zakhar with curators closed. The miners who had a piece of Baku salary quietly recall the past. high-tech factories exported to Russia. In any situation without such stupid scenarios, Russia would have had a greater influence on Ukraine for 25-35 years. But the helmsman has lost the coast and has what he has.
      1. Machito
        Machito 17 November 2018 18: 06
        0
        The helmsman knows what he is doing. laughing
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 17 November 2018 18: 48
        +15
        What are you talking about ?!

        APU with hundreds of tanks and hundreds of BMP / BTR, artillery and aviation, punitive battalions from nationalist groups financed by the oligarchs of Ukraine and foreign funds could not take the Donbass when the machine was rare for the militia, and at the checkpoints were with hunting rifles and batons, and now you don’t take Donbass and even more so ...

        Russia did not go anywhere, it’s you yourself who brought to power those who decided to seize power in the country by blood and force, talking about the sweet European future and that gas for the population should be 30% CHEAPER than it was under Yanukovych. Well, how did they fulfill their promises ?! That's the same. And Crimea and Donbass did not serve the Kiev junta and made their choice and had every right to do so ...

        Russia has never horrified Ukraine, much less gas. From 1992 to 2005, Russia supplied gas to Ukraine at $ 50 per 1000 cubic meters and in the amount of 75-80 billion cubic meters per year, 2 times more than the consumption of Ukraine, while Ukraine itself produces 20 billion !!! In fact, Ukraine used to resell 50-60 billion cubic meters in the EU and earned it. And then you became so insolent that you decided it wasn’t Russia supporting you, and you’re such good fellows and starting from Yushchenko and the Orange Revolution you started to promote the idea that Ukraine should sell all gas that comes from Russia to the EU itself))) ... This is Ukraine She regularly created problems for gas transit from Russia, and now she is surprised that only a very stupid person can build flows bypassing Ukraine ...

        The fact that Ukraine somehow did not flirt with NATO and the USA is very clearly visible not only against the background of joint exercises, but also because Ukraine somehow climbed into Iraq and fought there from 2003 to 2009, losing people, equipment and money for a war to which Ukraine had nothing to do with it at all, but it earned the approving glance of the United States. Does this help you much now ?!

        And to be New Russia !!! New Russia already lives in the hearts of millions of people !!!
      3. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 17 November 2018 22: 38
        +7
        Quote: dgonni
        purely Russian!

        Especially for those who have not mastered the text as an example: "Major Pavel Pogorelov".
        Quote: dgonni
        Nevertheless, a rebuff was given

        A new chapter in the art of war and military history: Ukraine lost 2 regions with 2 million people, huge resources and developed industry, about 8-30 thousand combatants killed and wounded, over 1200 units. AFV (of which more than 400 went to the VSN as trophies, despite the fact that the losses of the VSN are estimated at 173 units (data from the Lostarmor website)), and signed an agreement that, in fact, established new territorial boundaries for it and this is called "rebuff has been given". It is interesting to imagine what you would call a victory for Ukraine: the capture of Kiev?
        Quote: dgonni
        to get into a big fight for Russia will end in huge losses and not the fact that the implementation of what is intended

        Yeah, the only significant loss for Russia will be the need to resolve the issue of gas supplies to Europe before the construction of SP2. But do not worry, the latter will be built soon and the only guarantee of the existence of Ukraine will melt.
        Quote: dgonni
        WHAT FOR? was all this?

        Indeed, why was it necessary to clap your hands and greet the calls "to Gilyak"? Why was there a missile strike on the building of the Luhansk administration? Why was it necessary to ban the Russian language? Why was it necessary to kill people in Odessa on May 2? And the most interesting, why did they allow the oligarchs to create their own private armies? Needless to say that for the first couple of months Russia had no involvement at all in what was happening in Donbass and the first militia units are crowds of civilians, small (but rapidly growing detachments of volunteers) and the forces of the "local king" Akhmetov?
        Quote: dgonni
        lost shore and has what it has

        30 years of anti-Russian policy of Ukraine (support of the Natsiks and participation in the b.d. in Chechnya, Ossetia) and a complete loss of reason and instinct for self-preservation, which resulted in the empowerment of people who joyfully sang "to gilyak" and "who does not jump" - and all this is not Despite decades of Russian investments and support (discounts on resources, government orders, etc.) - and after that, Russia is again to blame? Are you out of your mind or jumping out of your brain?
        1. Mimoprohodil
          Mimoprohodil 18 November 2018 11: 08
          -4
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          Why was it necessary to ban the Russian language?
          But he was not banned, but wanted to repeal the Law "On the Basics of State Language Policy No. 5029-VI." According to your logic, the Russian language was banned until August 10, 2012

          Quote: Blackgrifon
          Needless to say, for the first couple of months Russia did not have any involvement what was happening in the Donbass
          A hundred armed fighters Strelkova crossed the Russian border, and the FSB officers did not notice anything
          1. Blackgrifon
            Blackgrifon 18 November 2018 19: 14
            +1
            Quote: Mimoprohodil
            A hundred armed fighters Strelkova crossed the Russian border, and the FSB officers did not notice anything

            Nothing that Strelkov was in Kiev from the very beginning of the Maidan?
            Quote: Mimoprohodil
            According to your logic, the Russian language was banned until August 10, 2012

            If they wanted to, didn’t want / forbade, they didn’t forbid: even without demonstrative dances with their tongues (which no one denies), the Ukrainians did everything to destroy their country, and then they wondered: why did our neighbors take us and why insidious Russians take away our huts?
            A conversation on this topic is meaningless, because You don’t want to perceive the root causes of the attitude of the majority of Russians / Russians to modern Ukraine, considering this the tsar’s machinations and propaganda. You don’t want to figure out who finally brought your country to a pen and what preceded the outbreak of war in the Donbass.
      4. kakvastam
        kakvastam 26 November 2018 17: 51
        0
        When will you understand that Mr. Putin is the true father of the Ukrainian political nation!
        Yes, if not for his ability to say one thing, and then do another, everything would have ended long ago, and there would have been far less people killed. And now Ukraine is reliably divorced from Russia, and the image of the enemy has been created - a sight for sore eyes!
        Nothing, you’ll still be erecting monuments to him, unlike us.
    3. Alexy
      Alexy 18 November 2018 05: 03
      0
      Directly removed from the tongue.
  2. svp67
    svp67 17 November 2018 07: 33
    +10
    Judging by the personnel of the AFU exercises, they perfectly understand the importance of artillery on the battlefield and make every effort to enhance the fighting skills of personnel. And of course, they really hope to continue deliveries from the United States, especially counter-battery radars.
  3. Stena
    Stena 17 November 2018 08: 07
    +14
    Real participants in those events (for example, the Poet) write about the excellent training of the independent artillerymen from the very beginning of the conflict, which contradicts the position of the author. And about the high accuracy of their use of various ammunition.
    The number of guns of different calibers in the independent ones has been estimated (quantitatively) on Lostarmour and on Kloch4 (for example, the article "Averted Gods - https://kloch4.livejournal.com/43020.html). If you are interested, you can look there, including with breakdown by separate divisions, regiments, etc., as well as types of guns (D-20, D-30, etc.).
    Moreover, quantitative losses can also be seen there.
    At the same time, despite the enormous losses from the university, their potential is still huge for a conflict of such intensity.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 17 November 2018 12: 28
      +1
      Aator initially sows the seed "and the rest is a wonderful marquise", so that the course was convenient. In 2016, I had the opportunity to communicate with the sergeant, the commander of the msta b gun from the aforementioned 55 brigade. So he praised the spotter under the DAP very much. Two or three battery volleys were enough to convey thanks from the infantry and to work on new targets. By the way, they got caught only ONCE! So the author probably embellished a little about effective counter-battery shooting.
      However, losses from the militia are also not indicated, therefore, the continuation of the article will be in the same stream - sheer victory!
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 17 November 2018 14: 57
        +8
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        In 2016, I had the opportunity to communicate with the sergeant, the commander of the msta b gun from the aforementioned 55 brigade. So he really praised the spotter under the DAP

        N-yes ... I want to send you a pitchfork, remove noodles from my ears? 8)))))
        I’ll tell you a terrible secret: even the senior battery officer can learn about the results of the shooting only by chance, I’ll just keep silent about the gun commander 8)))))
        Well, about the consumption of ammunition, there are heroic reports on the counter-battery on the Web. It seems that someone in the process of decommunization burned all copies of the Shooting Rules, and therefore there was no place to look at the consumption plate, and instead of the set fire, a platoon fired at a rate of 3-6 minutes. It doesn't even "scare" ...
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 17 November 2018 15: 06
          -1
          I don’t need a pitchfork))) I just remembered that. Although if that sergeant was noodle to me that from a single shot from a closed position they got into the tank, I didn’t believe it. But indirectly, the success of the Ukrainian Armed Forces artillery near the DAP is indicated by the loss of militias and the airport’s defense period. If krivoruky raguli were able to fire, capable of firing only at residential areas (according to the author), the infantry would not last there a week ....
          You, I noticed, from the gunners? Do not tell me where in the net you can study the weapons of the second world but small countries. Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and so on?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 17 November 2018 15: 30
            +4
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            I don’t need a pitchfork))) I just remembered that.

            Well, as you do not need. Believed
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Although if that sergeant was noodle to me that from one shot from a closed position they got into the tank, I didn’t believe it.

            But this happens. I just saw a direct hit on the column, which the teacher chose as a target. Without a rangefinder (shot a shot to observe the signs of breaks), the first shot with a PDO
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            If krivoruky raguli were able to fire, capable of shooting only at residential neighborhoods (according to the author)

            I’ll clarify that they’re not only curved, they’re often drunk as well, I saw at least three videos with the use of OP, and once right during the firing. Well, the curvature is indicated by the fact that they often don’t even restore the tip after a shot, again, judging by the video

            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Do not tell me where in the net you can study the weapons of the second world but small countries. Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and so on?

            In Russian, definitely not. Try searching in English or Polish / Czech / Hungarian
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 17 November 2018 21: 35
              0
              I’ll even argue about alkokol. This is probably an integral part of the war. Grandfather told about the People’s Commissar, this sergeant, captain tanker about the available left alcohol. And on the other hand the same ....
            2. Antares
              Antares 18 November 2018 00: 50
              0
              Quote: Spade
              I’ll clarify that they’re not only curved, they’re often drunk as well, I saw at least three videos with the use of OP, and once right during the firing. Well, the curvature is indicated by the fact that they often don’t even restore the tip after a shot, again, judging by the video

              it’s very good that only such videos come across ...
              It’s better to protect the apt ones and not indulge in such a video, giving out positions and people. Yes, and let them think that all of these ... you can create a good and useful illusion of weakness.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 20 November 2018 11: 03
                0
                8)))))))))))))
                Of course, an illusion
    2. Partisan Kramaha
      Partisan Kramaha 17 November 2018 15: 50
      +1
      Such an excellent preparation that when trying to dismantle a gas distribution point on the outskirts of Kramatorsk, we missed 500m and blew the roof on a private house. There are many such examples in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 17 November 2018 21: 37
        -3
        Excuse me, why did the Ukrainians try to dismantle the gas distribution center of the populated punk, which they released? ...
        1. Antares
          Antares 18 November 2018 00: 57
          0
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          gas distribution point on the outskirts of Kramatorsk

          if it is about July 19, then ours wrote that the shelling by mines (82 mm) was caused by the need to convince that the Ukrainians were shelling infrastructure objects (fascists in short). That is, the rebels fired. The Russians shot.
          In general, a lot of things are connected with Kramatorsk. For example, the Tornado bombardment of an airfield and peaceful houses nearby ...
          1. Partisan Kramaha
            Partisan Kramaha 18 November 2018 06: 14
            0
            Ammunition caught fire at the Rukozad’s airfield, it’s good that not everything. The militia would have to be put up to the very front in order to be shot at by direct fire at all. Or maybe the militia with the SU-25 got into the Lugansk administration?
            1. Antares
              Antares 18 November 2018 12: 15
              0
              Quote: Partizan Kramaha
              Ammunition caught fire at the Rukozad’s airfield, it’s good that not all

              wow caught fire ... in the center of the city the remains of stuck missiles and dead bodies ... the airfield on the outskirts.
              1. Partisan Kramaha
                Partisan Kramaha 18 November 2018 14: 09
                0
                And at what distance did the ammunition fly in a fire, for example, in Novobogdanovka, Balakley? ..
                1. Mimoprohodil
                  Mimoprohodil 18 November 2018 16: 01
                  +1
                  They themselves were reminded of the Lugansk administration and they themselves begin to bear excuses like the Ukrainian ones. Yes, these shells exploded, but it was they who fired at themselves, and so on.
                  Quote: Partizan Kramaha
                  in case of fire, for example, in Novobogdanovka, Balakley? ..
                  And what was something similar in Kramatorsk? Powerful explosions throughout the day?
                  1. Partisan Kramaha
                    Partisan Kramaha 18 November 2018 17: 20
                    -1
                    The duration of the explosions depends on the amount of ammunition in the burning warehouse. In this case, a single pile puffed. It could be worse
                    1. Mimoprohodil
                      Mimoprohodil 18 November 2018 21: 57
                      +1
                      Quote: Partizan Kramaha
                      In this case, a single pile puffed
                      And he killed 17 people and wounded 64 people. Explosions in all Ukrainian largest art warehouses (over the past 5 years) killed 5 people.
        2. Partisan Kramaha
          Partisan Kramaha 18 November 2018 06: 09
          +1
          And why did they turn the pipes of the first elevation of the Sev.Donets-Donbass canal into a sieve? After the militia left, the city collected water from tankers for three weeks. This is their logic such as to make the life of a peaceful man as bad as possible to set up against the militia. And partly they succeeded ...
        3. Lopatov
          Lopatov 20 November 2018 11: 11
          0
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Excuse me, why did the Ukrainians try to dismantle the gas distribution center of the populated punk, which they released? ...

          Punishers s
          In general, the Ukrainian "liberators" often observe this - they try to create a maximum of problems for the civilian population, in order to thereby influence the combatants

          Such tactics were used by the Nazis in World War II in the fight against partisans
  4. Horst78
    Horst78 17 November 2018 08: 56
    0
    and ours electronic engineer Vladimir Sumtsov was able to saw it and find the element base. So, he is repairing these units now ... at home
    an electronic engineer or an electronic one? So a purely professional question.
    1. Nitochkin
      Nitochkin 17 November 2018 09: 17
      +7
      Quote: Horst78
      and ours electronic engineer Vladimir Sumtsov was able to saw it and find the element base. So, he is repairing these units now ... at home
      an electronic engineer or an electronic one? So a purely professional question.


      An electronician is a robot from a children's film of the same name))
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 17 November 2018 09: 57
        +2
        Quote: Nitochkin
        an electronic engineer or an electronic one? So a purely professional question.


        An electronician is a robot from a children's film of the same name))

        What are you talking about! And I thought .... fool
      2. Horst78
        Horst78 17 November 2018 09: 58
        +3
        Quote: Nitochkin
        An electronician is a robot from a children's film of the same name))

        So then it is. But I’ve already been the 6 year as an electronic engineer repeat
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 November 2018 09: 31
    +16
    As a former artilleryman who "spinal cord" understands the capabilities of modern artillery (or rather the one that uses the Armed Forces, I fired from it, from the cannon), I must say that the level of training of the Artillery Artillery Artillery is below the floor. Having an overwhelming superiority in forces and means - nevertheless, all the time they got "in the wrong place." Or are they such patriots of the Russian world that they deliberately fell "in the wrong place"? I do not believe...
    And how do they change the trunks? Barrels are worn out, there is no getting away from it, the cutting is "erased", there is no production of new VNA barrels. Are they taking from the stock? So it will not last forever ... Are the ammunition expired? Propellants with long periods show a tendency to detonation. Maybe just rip the gun apart. Where does the new ammunition come from in the Armed Forces of Ukraine? So their artillery dies down. And not at all from the manifestations of the junta's peacefulness.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 17 November 2018 10: 23
      +7
      They are trying to solve problems with barrels and ammunition tanks with the help of our former "allies" in the Warsaw Pact. And if the situation with the trunks is solved in this way, then the BC is the same old as in Dill, with all the consequences.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 17 November 2018 10: 42
        +4
        Trunks are expensive. Do they really order them in Poland and the Czech Republic? Something is hard to believe. Rather, "cannibalism" is practiced in storage warehouses, as with tanks.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 17 November 2018 10: 45
          +4
          This, of course, about cannibalism. And the Soviet equipment is only needed for sale by NATO members, but I’m not saying that it comes with accessories to Dill for free. And it’s easier to dispose of BC in dill than at its landfill.
    2. Machine Gunner 391
      Machine Gunner 391 17 November 2018 11: 07
      +1
      At the expense of the trunks, so they already had cases (in my opinion in the 55th brigade) that the gun exploded during a shot. So they do not change trunks at all along the way. The stock of trunks is limited by what remains of the inheritance from the SA. Ukrainians did not learn how to make new trunks, it’s not the homeland to sell for cookies, then brains are needed. Ammunition is also the time of King Peas. They say that due to expired tank charges and shells during the death of the AFU’s tanks, such monstrous detonation occurs that not only the tower is torn off, but the tank’s body itself is torn apart as if from foil.
    3. dgonni
      dgonni 17 November 2018 15: 58
      -4
      If you are special, then read NAEVA! He frankly writes that artillery fired at maximum range in the operation to liberate Slavyansk. With such shooting, you can’t talk about accuracy, for the breaks I’m just silent! But this does not negate the fact of the modern line of demarcation.
      P.S. And yes, volunteers like mines didn’t run out of ammunition and new art systems constantly appeared, however, like tanks with new automatic mines and grenade launchers. But that is. Brought by the north wind.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 17 November 2018 19: 02
        0
        Volunteers of New Russia use ammunition competently simply, hit on targets, and not like APU - every day they will be fired from all the guns that delivered a lot of good when they were draped, tanks and artillery and all the rest will be enough for several years to come ...
        Well, what is missing again, you can always buy from the APU))) ...
        1. Antares
          Antares 18 November 2018 01: 05
          0
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Well, what is missing again, you can always buy from the APU))) ...

          exactly ... T72B3 for example or Shots ... Armor ...
          The coolest scheme is probably with fuel. APU buys from the Russian Federation. So he sells it to ORDILO? Or exchanges it for "Russian coal" probably winked ...
          this is a strange war of partners .....
  6. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 17 November 2018 11: 30
    +2
    The topic touched upon by the Author is anti-fresh, but not without "neponyatushki"! Because, the Author claims: 1. The militia destroyed a certain number of "Tornadoes" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... 2. The militia used the MLRS "Smerch" in battles ... These statements cause me confusion! For, at one time I "applied" some efforts to obtain specific information about the use of MLRS "Smerch" in the Donbass. Yes, there were reports from the militia about the destruction and, even, the seizure of the "Smerch" installations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... But when I started to "dig a piece", I got the following information: 1. There were cases of the militia's destruction of the "Uragan" MLRS of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but there was (!) the destruction of the MLRS "Smerch" (there were cases of damage to the launcher "Smerch" ...). the "confusion" of the "Hurricane" with the "Smerch" affected ... 2.In our media there were reports of the seizure of the MLRS "Smerch" by the militia ", but upon careful study of the" question "it turned out that, in fact, there were cases of seizure of MLRS" Uragan "and nothing more! Again "confusion"! According to my information, from the "specific" (!) Heavy weapons were captured by the militia: 1. from 2 to 4 "Tulips"; 2. from 2 to 4 MLRS "Uragan" (reliable information: 2 "Tulips", 2 "Uragan" ...); 3. "Peony" -3-4 ,, pcs. ,, (I "saw" -3); 4. TRK "Tochka-U" - 2 "pieces". This information is partly confirmed by the "report" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. PS I had to read the reportage of the military commander of the "news agency of Novorossiya" about the use of "Smerch" by the militia near Debaltsevo and even saw a video where the "Tornado" seemed to be passing along a street controlled by the city's militia ... But is it really a territory controlled by the militia? And where did this "Tornado" come from, if it really belonged to the militia? Questions ... questions ...
    1. Machine Gunner 391
      Machine Gunner 391 17 November 2018 14: 25
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      At the expense of shooting from SMERCH by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is generally doubtful, since in the Outskirts it seems that there was no more ammunition for them by the beginning of the war and therefore there was nothing to shoot with. Mixing up the brands of equipment on the part of the rank and file is commonplace. It is worth reading the memoirs about the Second World War, where any German self-propelled gun is strictly "Ferdinand", and the German infantry is all without exception armed with submachine guns and drives around in armored personnel carriers. So most likely the use of SMERCH in Donbas is just a legend.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 17 November 2018 15: 41
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        Quote: Machine gunner391
        So, most likely the application of SMERCHey in the Donbass is just a legend.

        I think that it is not a legend! ... 1. There are pictures from the MLRS "Smerch" as part of the convoys of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, moving through the territory of Donbass ... (what for then there is "Tornado", if there is no ammunition?); 2. There are pictures of craters with the remnants of "tornadoes" (eres ... ) and the unexploded "tornadoes" themselves ... PS The use of the Smerch MLRS in Donbass was relatively short-lived; because there was an acute shortage of "combat-ready" eres ... the remnants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were decided to be reserved for an "emergency".
        1. spec.78
          spec.78 17 November 2018 16: 42
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          After fires in warehouses, they should basically have a problem with the fighting
          own eresami. Too much burned there, judging by the reports. winked
      2. Antares
        Antares 18 November 2018 01: 19
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        Quote: Machine gunner391
        So most likely the use of SMERCHey in the Donbass is just a legend

        well yes. Ammunition was and is. But for the Tornadoes they cherish. The other side used the tornado.

        The shelling killed 17 people, 60 - injured
        According to the conclusions of the OSCE special monitoring mission, the cause of the incident was the shelling from the southeast direction by rockets of the Smerch multiple launch rocket system, equipped with cluster munitions
        In total, 32 missiles were fired from the Smerch multiple launch rocket systems, of which 18 fell in the area of ​​the ATO headquarters, and 14 in residential areas. Part of the missiles hit the city center - its central square and the Palace of Culture and Technology of NKMZ suffered. According to the SBU, as a result of the shelling, 41 buildings were damaged.
        The target of the attack is an airfield. With helicopters.
        Kramatorsk pretty much got at that moment.
        A monument to the victims was erected there.
    2. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil 18 November 2018 11: 25
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      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      According to my information, from the "specific" (!) Heavy weapons were captured by the militia: 1. from 2 to 4 "Tulips"
      There were no tulips in service or in storage. There are no photos and videos of Tulips
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 November 2018 12: 53
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        In Ukraine, the Tulip mortars were not and are not. After the collapse of the USSR, they all remained on the territory of Russia.
  7. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 17 November 2018 18: 57
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    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    From 1992 to 2005, Russia supplied gas to Ukraine at $ 50 per 1000 cubic meters and in the amount of 75-80 billion cubic meters per year, 2 times more than the consumption of Ukraine, with 20 billion.

    At whose expense Russia supplied gas, I think I understand. Nobody asked us.
    Of course, the price is $ 50, everything is better than the promise to supply gas to the Baltic states for $ 20, in redemption of the occupation by the Soviet Union (B. Nemtsov will not mention it by night).
    And the first and second price is a betrayal of the interests of their people.

    It’s better to simply enjoy the realization that our bloodsuckers, the most greedy in the world:
  8. Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 17 November 2018 20: 15
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    Quote: dgonni
    bring at least one surname purely Russian! Well, if you can!
    P.S. from the described in fact almost everything is true. The army was not from the word waabsche. Nevertheless, a rebuff was given. Novorosia did not take place. The attempt at the moment to get into a big fight for Russia will end in huge losses and not the fact of fulfilling what is intended.
    P.S. 2 I have a dumbest voposok to the great helmsman. WHAT FOR? was all this? If it was possible to nightmare Ukraine with a gas contract and having in the deck a bunch of parties that all welcomed this? Yes, the closure of one mine in the Donbas would result in 10-15 years of howling and confrontation. There would be no talk of NATO bases or even attempts to enter their structures. At the moment, all unprofitable Zakhar with curators closed. The miners who had a piece of Baku salary quietly recall the past. high-tech factories exported to Russia. In any situation without such stupid scenarios, Russia would have had a greater influence on Ukraine for 25-35 years. But the helmsman has lost the coast and has what he has.

    You have not understood anything. The curators of the Maidan had only two goals: 1. to expel the Russian fleet from the Crimea and take its place, 2. to start "cutting" shale gas in the Donbass. Where are the interests of the state of Ukraine ???? The fact that the maydauns jumped for something else, that is their problem. True, the maydown was planned six months later - a year after the Yanuca signed the association ...
  9. vladcub
    vladcub 17 November 2018 21: 04
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    "artillerymen-reservists, who in many respects were poorly versed in this type of troops, were drafted into the troops" does it mean that artillerymen do not understand technology at all? Or, under the guise of gunners, some "leftists" were called up? In this case, full thirteen
  10. Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 17 November 2018 21: 11
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    Quote: vladcub
    "artillerymen-reservists, who in many respects were poorly versed in this type of troops, were drafted into the troops" does it mean that artillerymen do not understand technology at all? Or, under the guise of gunners, some "leftists" were called up? In this case, full thirteen

    not quite so, after all, under the USSR in Ukraine there were three command artillery schools (Sumy, Odessa, Khmelnitsky), but all the trash was called into the numbers of calculations
  11. nedgen
    nedgen 18 November 2018 00: 30
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    I was very surprised by something else. I once served on the ZIL-135LM and there was no mention of any electronic unit for synchronizing engines, and nothing went on the ZIL very cool. Of course I served on the Moon M and not on the Hurricane and my ZIL was in 1965. Although one machine of the division seemed to be produced in 1975 and still there was no synchronizer from the word AT ALL. Maybe they put it on newer cars, but ours weren’t.
  12. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 23 November 2018 13: 42
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    From a conversation with the militia, the accuracy of the barrel artillery was explained in full by firing on signals from electronic bookmarks that were received by the guidance instruments — bugs that Ukrodiversants had installed in advance near the militia objects in cities, often the western stuffing was found by children and the bugs brought home accordingly if the bug arrived there are gunners comment
  13. Alexander not great
    Alexander not great 12 January 2019 22: 42
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    in the photo there are solid "partisans"))) now there is no such form.
  14. Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 28 November 2020 14: 07
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    Russia groans, the blood freezes in the fields, the fools rejoice, the enemies managed to embroil the single flesh.