Killer aircraft carriers will make Russia a powerful hypersonic power

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Russia develops and tests promising hypersonic samples weapons different purposes. These projects, despite their secrecy, attract the attention of foreign media and become the reason for the emergence of new publications. Hypersonic topics, among others, are interested in the Chinese press. A few days ago, the online publication Phoenix published its vision of current problems and made bold assumptions. First of all, it should be noted that it calls Russia a leader in a promising industry.

2 in November, the Internet publication Phoenix / Ifeng.com in its military section published an article “俄军 史无前例“ 航母 杀手 ”将 列 装 , 奠定 俄罗斯 高 超音速 大 国 地位 (“ Armed with Russia’s “aircraft carrier killer” making it powerful hypersonic power "). As follows from the title, the authors reviewed the latest projects in the advanced industry and evaluated their impact on the development of the Russian armed forces.



Killer aircraft carriers will make Russia a powerful hypersonic power


At the beginning of the article, Chinese authors are reminded of the expected events discussed recently. They indicate that the Russian army may soon receive the latest models of hypersonic weapons. If they can be handed over to the armed forces in the near future, Russia will receive a unique status. It will become the first country in the world to bring hypersonic technology to operation.

First of all, we are talking about hypersonic military equipment for a promising ballistic missile "Sarmat". In addition, it is known about the existence of a new anti-ship missile "Zircon". It was she who became the first Russian product of its class, brought to the testing stage. However, as noted by the Chinese edition, the Russian military are in no hurry to disclose data on new projects of hypersonic weapons. In addition, they do not publish photos and video of products.

"Phoenix" recalls that, according to official data, no country in the world has yet adopted a hypersonic system. Last news show that Russia is creating projects of this kind. If it can conduct new tests and demonstrate new weapons, for example, before the end of this year, this will have important consequences. The Zirkon rocket will be able to become the first product in its class in the world, which is notable for its special capabilities. None of the existing air defense systems can intercept such weapons. If Zircon is really capable of developing hypersonic speed, then it will be able to overcome any existing means of protection.

In the context of promising Russian weapons, the authors recall an old Chinese proverb. She says that there are no martial arts in which it would be impossible to win with speed. The latest news shows that Russia is implementing the principle of this proverb in practice. In the very near future, the Russian army may be the first in the world to get a hypersonic weapon. As a result, Russia will confirm its status as a world leader in a promising direction. The authors recall that research in the field of hypersonic technology continues throughout the world over the past few decades.



However, Phoenix reminds that the development of hypersonic technologies and weapons based on them is not simple. Many key aspects of this area are extremely difficult to build and refine. Most of them still cannot advance beyond research and testing. In addition, promising projects are faced with various difficulties affecting their course.

The publication gives a couple of examples of unsuccessful projects of hypersonic systems from the recent past. Thus, at the beginning of the decade, the American organization DARPA conducted two test launches of HTV-2 aircraft as part of the Falcon project. Both flights ended with undesirable results. Tests recognized failure. In Russia, a project of a similar kind was developed under the name “Igla”. However, it also failed to bring to the desired state. This time, the continuation of work was prevented by a lack of funding.

The latest Russian projects in the field of hypersonic weapons seem to be a success. This means that Russian scientists and engineers were able to make a significant contribution to the development of the industry, including the global one.

At the end of his article the publication "Phoenix" asks a question about the fundamental differences between hypersonic weapons and systems of another type. It asks: what is the main advantage of hypersonic systems? Here is the answer. Its main advantage is the high flight speed, which, for example, allows you to effectively attack other weapons systems. High flight speed and the corresponding kinetic energy increases the impact on the target, and also simplifies the breakthrough of the enemy defense. The authors believe that hypersonic weapons of new types can effectively overcome the opposition of most of the existing anti-aircraft and missile defense systems.



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A recent article by the Chinese publication Phoenix vividly demonstrates the interest in promising Russian developments shown by the foreign press. At the same time, the publication “俄军 史无前例“ 航母 杀手 ”将 装 , ​​奠定 俄罗斯 高 超音速 大 国 地位 has specific features. Firstly, it doesn’t really go into details of a technical or political nature, and secondly, it may look overly laudatory. In other words, the authors noted Russian merits in the development of a promising industry and noted what they are, but did not begin to consider in detail the new projects.

However, praise can not be called undeserved. Russian science and industry is really actively engaged in the study and development of hypersonic technology, and to date has received very remarkable results. According to various recent reports, at least two promising samples of hypersonic weapons are approaching the adoption stage and the start of operation. Thus, as the authors of Phoenix rightly point out, Russia may in the near future be the first country in the world to adopt a hypersonic weapon.

First of all, we are talking about the latest anti-ship missile 3M22 Zircon. Last year, there were reports of the imminent arrival of such weapons in the troops. A few months ago, in the spring, news was published in the Russian press according to which the new State Arms Program for 2018-2025 provided for the purchase of Zircon serial products. The missile has already passed a series of tests and in the near future will be able to get into the arsenals. However, it is possible that the first products of this type, in an atmosphere of secrecy, have already gone to the naval warehouses fleet.

The Chinese edition also mentions a “hypersonic rocket” called “Sarmat”. In this case, we are talking about a heavy-class intercontinental ballistic missile with special combat equipment. To improve the combat qualities and effectiveness of the Sarmat type PC-28 ICBM, a special guided combat unit called Avangard was developed. It is a hypersonic aircraft, capable of independently making a high-speed gliding flight. Like standard warheads, such a product can develop high speed, but it is distinguished by the possibility of maneuvering during flight.



To date, Russian officials have repeatedly talked about testing the Sarmat missile. In addition, ongoing inspections of the Avangard product have been announced. In the medium term, apparently, joint tests of an intercontinental launch vehicle and its hypersonic combat equipment will take place. The entire complex will be commissioned in 2020 a year or later.

However, the first carrier of Avangard will be a different rocket. According to recent Russian press reports, the deployment of these products will begin in 2019. Their carriers will be upgraded missiles UR-100N UTTH.

Known samples of hypersonic weapons developed in Russia are designed to solve different combat missions, but they have similar operating principles, which provide the same advantages over other weapons. A hypersonic aircraft, equipped with its own power plant or not having it, is capable of high-speed flight and maneuvering. High speed drastically reduces the allowable response time of air defense weapons, and maneuvering makes it difficult to properly guide interceptor missiles. Moreover, such a goal is beyond the capabilities of "classic" missile defense systems designed to counter ballistic missiles.

Curious is the fact that the Chinese edition, admiring Russian developments in the field of hypersonic technology, does not mention domestic projects. In recent years, Chinese science and industry also shows some success, and its new developments in the future can enter into service, increasing the potential of the army.

According to known data, since 2014, China has been testing a WU-14 or DF-ZF hypersonic aircraft. The tests of this product are still ongoing, and the test vehicles made several successful flights. However, the exact characteristics of the product, as well as the plans of the military for its further development, remain unknown. According to various estimates, a hypersonic device can become a carrier of a nuclear or conventional warhead and will be designed to quickly defeat remote targets of the enemy.

The development of advanced models of hypersonic weapons conducted in different countries. At the same time, Russian projects of this kind have advanced further than foreign ones. According to various sources, rockets and warheads of new types successfully cope with the tests and should soon enter service. Obtaining a new weapon with unique capabilities, Russia, as the Phoenix notes, is becoming a powerful hypersonic power.

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  1. -22
    11 November 2018 05: 31
    There are missiles. The traditional emphasis is on the motor. There is no engine for missiles.
    1. +19
      11 November 2018 05: 51
      Almost a thousand comments per month on the site is strong. Do you ever sleep and rest?

      On the subject: when the Zircon passes all the tests successfully and is adopted in sufficient quantities for service, then I will rejoice and throw my hat into the air).
      1. -3
        11 November 2018 06: 08
        It is necessary to make a direct-flow engine to such ammunition. The result is important - mass supply of it to carriers. Talking that there will be tests, partners should not be alerted.
      2. +7
        11 November 2018 13: 25
        Quote: Sergey Pavlov
        Almost a thousand comments per month on the site is strong. Do you ever sleep and rest?

        =======
        No! Dear "gunnerminer (Murad)" just breaks ALL records !!! Not only did I "scribble" 1 comments in a month, but also earned an equally "record" rating:
        ( - 6 396 hab) .... lol
      3. +1
        11 November 2018 13: 30
        Quote: Sergey Pavlov
        on the topic: when the Zircon passes all the tests successfully and is adopted in sufficient quantities for service, then I will be happy and throw my hat into the air).

        =========
        Are you sure that HE ("Zircon") has not passed ??? request No, I'm certainly not "in the know", as well as the CIA - too lol .... but I dare to remind you that the "wide bullet" learned about the "Dagger" already when he ALREADY stood on an experienced combat duty....... wassat
        1. +2
          11 November 2018 19: 51
          Quote: venik
          that HE ("Zircon") has not already passed ???

          I failed
          Quote: venik
          but I dare to remind you that the "wide bullet" learned about the "Dagger" already when it was ALREADY on an experienced combat duty.

          This is embarrassing
          There is no smoke without fire; there is no smoke without fire

          / Dictionary of the Russian language: In 4 volumes / RAS, Institute of Linguistics. research; Ed. A.P. Evgenieva. - 4th ed., Erased. - M .: Rus. language;
          there was no "smoke", there are suspicions that there is no fire either (there was no)
          Quote: Tlauicol
          And at the exit: soon will be or already is, but we will not show you

          5+
          in, in
  2. +6
    11 November 2018 05: 38
    there is an opinion that the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation (KTRV) of Mr. Obnosov is developing a lot of money and drawing attractive pictures. And at the exit: soon will be or already is, but we will not show you
    1. -1
      11 November 2018 05: 42
      It is impossible to show what is not. In parts, on ships and on LA there is no. So no. They stay in the mock-ups.
      1. +3
        11 November 2018 05: 46
        It is impossible to show what is not. In parts, on ships and on LA there is no. So no. They stay in the mock-ups.

        Maybe not, maybe it is authentic for the people and the forum users do not know ... there are details of this state secret smile for the disclosure of which at least a little bit can sit down for a couple of years.
        So let’s let the enemy in the WEST read our guesses and fantasies and suffer in the question of what the Russian IVANS invented on our head again.
        1. -3
          11 November 2018 05: 47
          No invented ammunition was delivered to any ship.
        2. 0
          11 November 2018 07: 25
          Oh Lyokha, Lyokha! Che should think? Well, let's say they created. But you still have to try! It is necessary to debug production technology and find specialists for production! What are the costs of this? Who will they be used against? Again against the oil tankers like in Syria? So then who is the enemy of Russia? America or oil? If oil tankers bombed and did not bomb America, then America is clearly not our enemy! And Russia also does not like to respond to American sanctions. So recognizes the supremacy of the United States! Here we are also throating tears about the threat to the US interests of Russia. But the authorities think differently with their actions. No? Well, why then is the money stored with a potential adversary, companies are registered in the countries of a likely adversary, they also have property, the children there generally feel great! Here's how to explain the situation when the opposite side is called as the side preparing aggression against you, and at the same time give it the most expensive? Something is wrong here! There will be no normal person constantly swearing with a neighbor to send his wives and children to him and keep his savings with him. Well, it can’t! Although I'm lying! Can! But on one condition. This neighbor, your master! And the owner can do anything! Of course, you can express various discontent under your breath, but the fact remains that you will not blather against the owner! Otherwise, you lose the last piece of bread! It turns out that there is a manor house where you keep your savings and send your native there, and you yourself are hired by a gentleman! Well, how else can you explain Russian politics in a different way !? The only way!
          1. +6
            11 November 2018 07: 31
            Well, how else can you explain Russian politics in a different way !?

            Sometimes you can’t just call it dullness of mind ... you are saying everything correctly ... but still, besides the bourgeoisie who are ready to sell their homeland for a jar of jam, a lot of people live in this homeland who are ready to defend it ... various contradictions tear our state apart ... it’s a boiling cauldron of various interests, and what will come of this brew later and who will win is difficult to predict. what
            1. -3
              11 November 2018 07: 38
              -lives a lot of people ready to protect her ...-

              These people are not allowed to make decisions.
            2. 0
              11 November 2018 08: 08
              So the problem is that they are not ruled by those who are for the interests of Russia. And those who are for interests, those have long been removed from the steering wheel. What did the guarantor say about his team? Why doesn't he want to change the composition of the government?
          2. -4
            11 November 2018 07: 34
            Even if Allah dropped a thousand Zircon ammunition from above, then without a reconnaissance system, external and other target designation, a sufficient number of carriers, without military personnel who know how to safely use these hypersonic ammunition, the system will not work. The Russian Air Force is not ready for such a free gift .
          3. -3
            11 November 2018 10: 29
            Quote: Mister Creed
            Well, how else can you explain Russian politics in a different way !?

            The country is governed by the occupation government (the so-called systemic liberals), plus the occupiers hold a pistol to their temples in the form of “non-systemic liberals” such as Anal, as well as various leftists (Sternin, Kagarlitsky, etc.) who are ready to arrange a Maidan under various slogans. The only way out is for the people to support the president and the national-patriotic wing in power, incl. achieved an expansion of presidential powers at a referendum. Join the NOD!
        3. -2
          11 November 2018 07: 33
          Under the pretext of state secrets they are cutting budgetary loot. This is evident even from Roskosmos. How much were worn with the hangar? But there are no results.
  3. +1
    11 November 2018 05: 44
    -First of all, we are talking about the latest anti-ship missile 3M22 Zircon. Last year, there were reports of the imminent arrival of such weapons in the troops. -

    These 3M22 invented by the troops are not being received by the troops. Against the background of sharp cuts in the state armament programs, such revenues are believed to be average. Plus, the unplanned work with the PD-50 will add costs.
    1. -1
      11 November 2018 05: 51
      Plus, unplanned work with PD-50 will add costs.

      I read that the specialists think about this ... yes, a complete priest turns out ... they got stuck because of the sloppiness and stupidity of the repair organizers, I can’t do it at all ... a hard blow ... the liquidation of this accident requires a lot of money ... cheaper to buy a new DP -50 which is also problematic.
      1. -1
        11 November 2018 05: 53
        Against the backdrop of such events, there is moderate confidence in the technological breakthrough in creating hypersonic weapons. Neither in metal production, nor in chemical production, nor in radioelectronic production, there has been a massive flow of technically competent specialists. There are no grounds for such rainbow plans.
      2. +7
        11 November 2018 05: 58
        The dock rotted through and through over the years. Just a couple of days before the sinking, the leak intensified, and the pumps could not cope with pumping water. They decided to urgently take the cruiser out of the dock. During the start of the docking operation, the dock gave a roll, the cranes fell, one on the main deck cruiser. It was lucky that no one from the boatswain team was injured. And the cruiser was towed to the berths of Rosatomflot by tugs. This has been accumulating for more than a year. The schedule of repairs of the whole operational unit has been broken. The Royal SAS diversion regiment will not give such an impressive result for the campaign.
        1. +2
          11 November 2018 06: 04
          The dock has rotted through and through over the years. Just a couple of days before drowning, the leak intensified, and the pumps could no longer cope with pumping water.

          The dock is designed so that it cannot sink by itself ... there were a number of actions of the DP-50 management and personnel that led to the disaster ... a detailed description of what happened is on the internet.
          1. +1
            11 November 2018 06: 12
            The staff does not organize the repair of the dock, and does not form the budget of the enterprise.
            1. +5
              11 November 2018 06: 18
              The staff does not organize the repair of the dock, and does not form the budget of the enterprise.

              smile The staff should correctly use the means available to prepare the workplace for work ... what has not been done ... you read the chronology of events and wonder how much they thought there ... used external power for the pumps as the main ... when in the instructions are written in black and white ... to use external power as a backup ... their DP-50 generators were absolutely not ready for work and there are such little things as a car and a small cart ... an absolute sloppiness ... under Comrade Stalin for only one thing responsible comrades to the wall would put without hesitation.
              1. -3
                11 November 2018 06: 29
                -with Comrade Stalin, only for one thing would the responsible comrades be put to the wall without hesitation .-

                This comrade created the party system, which is not able to nominate far-sighted and patriotic personalities to responsible posts.
                1. 0
                  11 November 2018 06: 35
                  Come on... smile this is a separate topic and another section of the VO not related hehe with the killing of aircraft carriers ...
                  Would you rather say whether all the same our country has Zircons? Or is it all fiction in order to scare the adversary to liquid diarrhea in his pants?

                  And then here we are sitting in BO on sofas and wondering how on the daisy petals ... is it there or not ... is it there or not?
                  1. -2
                    11 November 2018 06: 38
                    An anecdote on the topic of new ammunition. The BC-2 missiles will be appreciated.

                    Tram. Near the door is a teenager. They ask him:
                    - Are you getting down?
                    - Get off only with a woman.
                    Here one very decent young woman says:
                    - Hey jerk! They don’t get off a good woman, but slide down!

                    I report. There is talk of Zircons. There are no ammunition, even ready for testing.
                2. +2
                  11 November 2018 09: 30
                  He then CREATED, and some then destroyed it at the party congress., And a sluggish mess began.
                  1. -1
                    11 November 2018 09: 33
                    Khrushchev and other members of the Central Committee of the CPSU were not dropped by parachute from a German or NATO aircraft.
                3. +5
                  11 November 2018 11: 14
                  It was this comrade who created such a system. Under Stalin, and not long after, social elevators worked in both directions, due to which lay people and villains did not stay at the top.
                  1. +1
                    15 November 2018 08: 01
                    Just at the first party call, when there were no more ideological people for civil and close restoration, others came to its ranks - illiterate lovers of leather jackets and cars. Then there was an excuse for their inappropriateness: "The one who does nothing is not mistaken." And the "great comrade" gathered other personnel around him: more devoted and praying for their patron than literate ones. This echo still reverberates to us.
        2. +8
          11 November 2018 07: 57
          Quote: gunnerminer
          Doc rotted through and through over the years

          You, as I see, are a specialist of a very wide profile. Understand everything. From miniaturization to mega-projects. In the air, on land, on water and under water. This is this man! I envy!
          1. -1
            11 November 2018 08: 59
            And good luck to you!
          2. +1
            12 November 2018 22: 07
            He is a doctor of perinatal sciences
      3. +1
        11 November 2018 10: 21
        The ships will be towed on the SEVMASH, waiting until the dry dock is built on the Star.
        1. +2
          11 November 2018 10: 30
          A dry dock will not be built in six months.
          1. 0
            11 November 2018 13: 41
            By the end of 2019 they will build.
            1. -1
              11 November 2018 19: 00
              Let them even begin to build. Even the funds have not been transferred to this business.
              1. 0
                11 November 2018 21: 47
                They are already under construction at the Zvezda.
                1. -2
                  12 November 2018 08: 52
                  Star for civil shipbuilding. Management will not tolerate losses.

                  -The "Zvezda" is already under construction.

                  Not a single vessel of new construction was delivered to customers from this Star.
                  1. +1
                    12 November 2018 11: 50
                    Of course not - since everything is still being built there. The first tankers will be in '22.
      4. -4
        11 November 2018 10: 35
        I think the story with the dock is disinformation so that "Kuznetsov" is considered incapable of combat. Hence the inflating information about the fall of cranes and holes. And the dock was carefully preserved and laid on the bottom, the air was pumped up and it would float up by itself.
    2. +1
      11 November 2018 15: 49
      These invented 3M22s do not enter the troops. Against the background of sharp cuts in the state arms programs, such revenues are believed to be average.
      Nevertheless, infa slipped that Admiral Nakhimov being repaired and modernized in Severodvinsk was being prepared for the fact that it was Zircon that would be installed on it. That is, by the time the repair is completed, the rocket should already be
  4. -1
    11 November 2018 05: 50
    -purchase of serial products "Zircon". The missile has already passed a series of tests and in the near future will be able to get into the arsenals -

    It can, will, for now, do, plan, say, probably buy.

    - However, Phoenix recalls that the development of hypersonic technologies and weapons based on them is not simple. Many key aspects of this direction are extremely difficult to create and develop.

    This is definitely there.
  5. +2
    11 November 2018 05: 58
    You can chat about missiles that have no analogues in the world, but after returning to earth, we see that in fact, there are only 2 hypersonic vehicles with PRVD in the world, which have proven their existence by anything other than words and pictures: the American x-51 (he even in this article there is as a "zircon", and could not have a picture, but a real photo to insert) and also the American x-43.
    In maneuvering units for ballistic missiles, there is also nothing super complicated, these are technologies from the middle to the second half of the last century.
    1. +1
      11 November 2018 06: 06
      Talk about superweapons is a smoke screen for the UEC (United Engine Corporation) to hide its weakness, and the absence of a jerk forward.
    2. 0
      11 November 2018 06: 55
      Quote: Corn
      Could not insert a picture, but insert a real photo

      The file is called "giperzvukovaya_raketa_cirkon.jpg", downloaded from the website of the Sputnik agency. Appeared, including on VO, it seems.

      In the foreground, obviously, Zircon. And on the back - the bicycle chassis of the Tu -...
      um ...
      some sort of secret plane.
      1. -1
        11 November 2018 07: 23
        US Air Force airplane. Walks a couple of years on the network. In addition, Photoshop.
      2. 0
        11 November 2018 10: 27
        It was the X 51A that rocket was made back in 2001 - so the United States overtakes us in the field of hypersound, it is known about three devices that use their scramjet.
        1. 0
          12 January 2019 18: 43
          Vadim237! You are wrong! Russian specialists took a direct part in the development of the X-51 ... And they developed a ramjet engine in the USSR back in the mid-60s of the last century when designing the "Gnome" apparatus! Therefore, here too, the United States is in catching up and not only!
      3. +2
        11 November 2018 10: 43
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        And on the back - the bicycle chassis of the Tu -...
        um ...
        some sort of secret plane.

        Let's calculate the index of this Tu.
        If B29 is Tu-4, then B50, B47, B52 followed. It turns out Tu-7. Or like this: 52-29 + 4 = 27. Tu-27 - "better" looks
        1. 0
          11 November 2018 12: 13
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          52-29+4=27. Ту-27

          Exactly!
          Quote: gunnerminer
          US Air Force Plane

          Very miserable laid out photos from a different angle in articles about Zircon. Where in the background is not the chassis, which not everyone knows about, but the famous double gondola.
          Quote: gunnerminer
          . Besides Photoshop

          http://www.boeing.com/features/2013/05/bds-x51-05-03-13.page
          The video opens under the anonymizer.
    3. 0
      11 November 2018 17: 07
      somewhere infa slipped that the zircon will not be on the scramjet, but on the detonation engine, of course its specific impulse is lower than the theoretically possible direct-flow, but still several times more effective than the existing jet engines used to achieve hypersonic speeds
      1. 0
        11 November 2018 18: 22
        Detonation for hypersound is not suitable, a cone-shaped divider - in the air intake, will give additional resistance to the incoming air flow.
        1. 0
          11 November 2018 18: 32
          For example, detonation engines can be used in hypersonic aircraft. P. Levochkin recalled that the engines now being proposed for use on such a technique use subsonic combustion. With hypersonic flight velocity, the air entering the engine must be braked to sound mode. However, the braking energy should lead to additional thermal loads on the airframe. In detonation engines, the burning rate of the fuel reaches at least M = 2,5. This makes it possible to increase the speed of flight of the aircraft. Such a machine with a detonation engine can accelerate to speeds eight times the speed of sound.
          1. +2
            11 November 2018 22: 11
            "At the hypersonic speed of the flight vehicle, the air entering the engine must be decelerated to the sound mode. However, the braking energy must lead to additional thermal loads on the airframe. In detonation engines, the fuel burning rate reaches at least M = 2,5." - That is why a detonation engine for hypersonic vehicles is not suitable - a scramjet is needed there, with a minimum resistance of the incoming flow, without any braking, the larger the air volume in the combustion chamber, the greater the efficiency of the engine, and for effective mixing of the fuel-air mixture, atmospheric air + kerosene + liquid oxygen in a scramjet engine, split nozzles with a pressure of 2000 bar, plasma ignition, as well as a combustion chamber made of tantalum carbide Tm of 3880 degrees are required - such an engine will work up to 17M.
    4. 0
      14 November 2018 19: 54
      american x-51

      For a change. Hypersound is 5-6 Machs. What's lower is supersonic. And Onyx is supersonic, but not hypersonic, only Mach 2,6. And all Russian supersonic missiles with 3-4 Machs surrender, the propagandon calls hypersound.

      When developing the X-51, they solved the ignition problem. The rocket accelerator accelerated the X-51 to a speed somewhere within 3 Machs, and separated. The direct-flow engine was turned on which accelerated the rocket to 5 Machs. So in the air intake formed a large pressure of the incoming air flow. It is possible to put sprayed kerosene into this stream, to put a spark was a problem. But they solved this problem.
  6. +1
    11 November 2018 06: 00
    - It was she who became the first Russian product of her class, brought to the test stage. -

    Not brought to the stage of readiness for mass production. Otherwise, they would have adjusted the Rules of the missile service, at least.
  7. +1
    11 November 2018 06: 07
    The problems are most likely in the nozzle metal (melting point), well, the friction cowl is heated to a plasma state, although there was a conversation that in front of the rocket it will be created, but it has already been created, otherwise a certain climate would not have whistled, which would extinguish air resistance . Tests are underway - it means that there is already a rocket, they bring it to mind, you can’t put raw in the troops.
    1. 0
      11 November 2018 06: 14
      Tests on the media can not be submitted. The result is required. But it is not. To create such an ammunition, a real technological revolution is needed, the grounds for which are not visible in the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.
      1. +1
        11 November 2018 06: 23
        That's why it is classified, and for some time we will not know. And we will hear it for the first time, from behind the hillock - when they spot the first flight.
        1. 0
          11 November 2018 06: 29
          -That is why it is classified, and for some time we won’t-

          This is Petrushkin’s secret.
          1. 0
            11 November 2018 07: 28
            Wait and see.
            1. 0
              11 November 2018 07: 29
              Time does not work on the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation.
              1. +1
                11 November 2018 07: 33
                Time troubles in general around the ball. But in recent years, the military-industrial complex is being updated and this is clearly visible.
                1. -1
                  11 November 2018 07: 37
                  Against the background of a reduction in the personnel of the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant, a five-fold reduction in production plans for the Tu-160M2, disruption of ship engine supplies, degradation of strategic nuclear forces, and ship repair failures, the story is clearly noticeable for residents of the Alaskan outback. And Zircon ammunition will not establish aircraft manufacturing industry, shipbuilding.
                  1. -2
                    11 November 2018 07: 40
                    Quote: gunnerminer
                    Zircon ammunition will not establish aircraft manufacturing, electronic industry, shipbuilding

                    Quote: ABS, Lame Fate
                    ... and livestock!
                    1. +1
                      11 November 2018 07: 44
                      Including.
  8. +1
    11 November 2018 06: 11
    The weapon itself is a piece of iron ... We need the will to use it ... The whole problem is that they are not afraid of us ... All the cries about the Russian threat are knocking out money for the military-industrial complex ...
    1. -2
      11 November 2018 06: 19
      This is very extravagant, having the experience of a non-commodity economy that does not require a stream of investment under the USSR, returning to the archaic monetary commodity, talking about a superweapon that neither the USA nor the PRC can create.
  9. +1
    11 November 2018 07: 36
    It feels like everyone likes the word "hypersonic". Very fashionable and sonorous. Although any of the existing heads of strategic missiles when falling is also hypersonic! So nothing new has been invented. We just found the right word in time.
    1. +1
      11 November 2018 09: 11
      Hypersonic, competencies, innovations, startup.
      1. 0
        12 November 2018 04: 19
        Hypersonic competence of an innovative startup.
    2. +1
      11 November 2018 10: 31
      The warheads fly with a "Return Rate" - this speed is over Mach 28. There are subsonic, transsound supersonic, hypersonic, fast hypersonic and return speed.
  10. 0
    11 November 2018 10: 40
    The Chinese are right when they are encrypted. But scaring the other side is not a sin.
    1. +2
      11 November 2018 12: 56
      Bluffing in military affairs sometimes works, and sometimes not.
      In this case, it seems that the Aierikans do not "bite" the "hypersonic weapon" of Russia.
      They are much more frightened by the Chinese, launching a pair of missile frigates / destroyers per month.
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  12. 0
    11 November 2018 15: 16
    "the first country in the world to bring hypersonic technologies to exploitation" - again a lie!
    But what about the X-51A Waverider that was first tested back in 2007, it passed successful tests and in 2013 it was put into service. Here it’s farther than cartoons and chatter on Zvezda until it comes to that, and the Phoenix edition also has articles (I can also write a lot of things, who will check?)
    1. 0
      9 January 2019 00: 24
      kutuz (kutuz)! Read carefully on the Internet about the developers of this rocket and who betrayed the interests of Russia during the time of Yeltsin-Putin! And you will find out that this X-51 rocket was created by Rossi’s achievements, traitors surrendered everything for nothing in these years!
      1. 0
        12 January 2019 17: 46
        All this chatter, excuses and nothing more. Here recently one claimed that the Apple iPhone is a Russian development that was stolen by mean Americans. The question is that all these articles are for internal use, for the cheers of the patriots to grow above themselves and this is very bad. All this reminds us of the USSR where, according to the Pravda newspaper and two TV channels, we had the most perfect army in the world, technically we were ahead of the rest of the planet, and in the end everything turned out to be not as rosy as we thought.
  13. +2
    11 November 2018 16: 09
    ... DARPA, as part of the Falcon project, conducted two test launches of the HTV-2 aircraft.
    ... The X-43 is an unmanned experimental hypersonic aircraft with several planned large-scale variations, designed to test various aspects of hypersonic flight. He was part of NASA's Hyper-X program and set several flight speed records for jets. The X-43 is the fastest aircraft in US history, approx. 7000 mph (10461 km / h). hi
    1. +1
      11 November 2018 16: 27
      And how did the amers end? It seems that there were problems with radio communications, stability in flight and something else
      1. +1
        11 November 2018 17: 31
        Quote: Russkiy
        ... and something else

        hi ... With cooling and problems with the booster stage of the Pegasus rocket:
        http://www.airwar.ru/enc/xplane/x43.html

        https://xenomorph.ru/text/8237-stratosfernyy-bombardirovschik-falcon-htv-2.html
  14. +1
    11 November 2018 16: 50
    They constantly write about this Zircon, but nowhere was there even a picture and even more so a video of tests. It seems to be just a myth.
  15. 0
    11 November 2018 18: 22
    Last year, there were reports of the imminent arrival of such weapons in the troops. A few months ago, in the spring, news was published in the Russian press, according to which the purchase of Zircon serial products was provided for in the new State Armaments Program for 2018-2025. The missile has already passed a series of tests and in the near future will be able to get into the arsenals. However, it is entirely possible that the first products of this type, in an atmosphere of secrecy, have already gone to the navy's warehouses.

    Most likely exactly the opposite. The latest information about "Zircon" was somewhere in April-May 2017. If everything were the way you, Kirill, write, then ours would ring about it in all the media. Vaughn "Vanguard" for which there is still no carrier - they are already talking about it when the launch minimum is adopted. And here in the warehouses of the Navy and silence? "I do not believe" (c)

    Quote: gunnerminer
    There are missiles. The traditional emphasis is on the motor. There is no engine for missiles.

    If there is no engine, there is no rocket. She becomes virtual

    Quote: Cherry Nine
    In the foreground, obviously, Zircon. And on the back - the bicycle chassis of the Tu -...
    um ...
    some sort of secret plane.

    Now there is only one aircraft of such dimensions with such a landing gear. It is called B-52 laughing
  16. 0
    11 November 2018 19: 07
    Perhaps scientists believe this direction the development of weapons the most promising. But is it really so? Funds are being mastered, development is underway, but the invulnerability of these systems is in great doubt. Suppose that these weapons have already entered service. What is it like? A high-speed rocket, which in flight is surrounded by a cloud of plasma. Ask any radio electronics engineer, and he will say that such a clot of plasma, any radar with a long range, will easily find, for 500-600 km. Hypersonic speed begins after overclocking over 4 sound speeds. That is, from about 1400 meters per second. Not only that, from sharp maneuvers at such speeds, an object can simply fall apart in the air due to overloads, but also because of a plasma cloud around its body, it is difficult for it to exchange information and bypass those very missile defense zones.
    Now a little count. A hypersonic missile flies at a speed of 1500 m / s. She will be spotted from a distance of 500 km. She will need at least 5 minutes to go this distance. It makes some maneuvers, but not very active (sharp), because it will fall apart. Two missiles with semi-active guidance (thermal radiation + radar, perceived through the same radar, for example), with a more modest speed 2.5M, or 2,5 speed of sound (825 m / s), are firing at her meeting. Add up the approach speeds and get that the rocket and the anti-missiles are moving towards each other at a speed of 2325 m / s. Of course, the chance to dodge missile defense remains. But taking into account the fact that it is enough for anti-ballistic missiles to explode nearby, covering a hypersonic aircraft with a hail of fragments and an explosive wave, there are very few chances to break through. And it’s more correct to assume that the forecasts of scientists are still too optimistic))
    But suppose again that scientists were able to create an aircraft with a cruising speed of 10-12M, or somewhere 4000 m / s. To admit this quickly and to overcome the band of the missile defense system, with a depth of 500 km, the rocket will need a little more than a minute. In this option, doubts arise whether the existing missile defense system will cope with such a threat? But let's be realistic and remember that anti-aircraft missiles also do not stand still and are actively developing. Including in the direction of increasing flight speed. And also, remember that in addition to anti-missiles, laser systems and electromagnetic guns are also developing. And by the time of mass deployment of combat hypersonic means of attack, it is more likely that they will defend the indicated means of defense. That generally aligns the situation and the threat will be minimal.
    I can add to this that if scientists did not listen to the inventors from among the scientific community, I would already have found some promising ideas that could bury not only hypersonic missiles, but also various ballistic ones and their delivery vehicles, including high-speed aircraft. For example, I know that already, at least 10 years ago, it was possible to start designing electromagnetic anti-aircraft guns, as well as laser weapons. In addition to scientists, inventors also have achievements that can reduce the mass and cost of a shot by tens of times. And moreover, there were ideas that are still not applied, but capable, without any power plant (explosive magnetic generators), of dispersing the projectile to 40 km / s and higher. A laser weapon system, generally powered by a car battery. But where is all this? That's right, scientists and officials, master budget funds))
    1. +2
      11 November 2018 22: 51
      Unfortunately, laser weapons against an apparatus flying at speeds of 6 Machs will be useless, because there will be plasma around the apparatus and the aircraft’s body itself will be made of heat-resistant alloys and covered with heat-shielding tiles or solid surfaces that can withstand heat of several thousand degrees, with a railatron another problem how to get into a machine flying at a speed of 6 Machs at an altitude of 30 kilometers is like getting a needle into the eye of another needle at a distance of 100 meters. With missile defense systems the same problem, reaction time — detection, tracking, target designation, anti-missile launch, flight — must be completed in 10 seconds at a speed of 15 Machs.
      1. 0
        11 November 2018 23: 17
        Yes, the performance of recognition and response systems will have to be increased)) But the technology does not stand still and it is logical to assume that progress will also be made in electronics. Remember how during the Second World War, the capabilities of various military equipment sharply increased. Tanks and aircraft made a sharp leap in development. The arms race spurred and everything began to develop faster. I also agree that the plasma field may be impervious to the laser beam. I’m not a specialist here, I can’t conduct any clarifying explanations. In addition, weather conditions (rain, snow, fog, low clouds, precisely reduce the chances of defeat) precisely influence laser radiation. But the materials that can withstand this clot of light energy are not yet known to me. But it is known that in nature there is not a single material capable of withstanding intense laser radiation. all the more so, in addition to temperature, at the point of the laser light spot, there is also a large light pressure (according to scientists))). At the expense of railguns, recall that barrage fire has long been used in military affairs. And this invention is not of the 20 century. The Tatar-Mongol army and the English archers, with clouds of arrows, are a vivid example of this. So, since science creates such a miracle as a hypersonic apparatus, it will probably find means of dealing with it.
        1. 0
          16 January 2019 12: 19
          the trajectory changes by a couple of degrees, and the interception point shifts for a hundred kilometers, when maneuvering at this speed, interception is possible only by means having even greater speed and stability and overload
    2. 0
      6 February 2019 19: 28
      Quote: Arkady Gaidar
      But taking into account the fact that it is enough for anti-ballistic missiles to explode nearby, covering a hypersonic aircraft with a hail of fragments and an explosive wave, there are very few chances to break through.


      Quite precisely formulated. The advantage of an OTR ballistic missile (or MRBM) is that it flies very quickly, leaving the enemy no time to react. And it's better to shoot down with a direct hit. Disadvantage: its flight is visible on powerful SBX radars for a thousand kilometers. And it cannot be aimed at moving targets. CD type "Tomahawk" can maneuver. Due to its low flight altitude, it can be seen only for a couple of tens of kilometers. But on the other hand, it is easier to knock it down with a close explosion. A hypersonic cruise missile combines the disadvantages of the former and the latter and lacks the advantages of both.
      Hence the conclusion: hypersonic weapons are futile.
      The Americans already understood this and refused further games with the X-51. But other countries, from the fact of short-term experiments with the X-51, imagined for some reason that this was some kind of new omnipotent miracle weapon.
  17. -1
    11 November 2018 20: 35
    An unpleasant surprise for aircraft carriers if he is already armed
    1. 0
      12 November 2018 08: 54
      A cartoon can’t be a threat, not even a reed raft.
  18. 0
    11 November 2018 21: 46
    An article about those "promising" miracle missiles that did not want to fly, but wanted to sail in the Barents Sea? So there - a complete fiasco, missiles, it seems, fished out in the sea, or maybe not, the test site has already been covered. As the saying goes - Bobik is dead, there are cartoons of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation about the new miracle of the rocket.
  19. -1
    12 November 2018 00: 41
    On this topic, most likely there will be little information as it was. There were official statements that the rocket is being tested, and the fact that there is no picture, so maybe there are reasons not to show this unit. As an option, the shape of the rocket fairing has a solution to the problem of plasma formation or its flow around the object, which can give the same FSA a chance to catch up with us. For those who have doubts, an example is the "Shkval" torpedo, in the bow there is a cavitator, and it is he who allows the torpedo to accelerate to 100 knots.
    The next not unimportant point, these are the carriers, at the moment we have unverified information that the dimensions of the rocket are within the dimensions of the "Calibrov-NK", but for the "Zircon" any other complex of guidance and target designation is needed, is there any on those ships? , what are "Calibers" already carrying ?. At the moment we have one surface ship under repair and modernization, and at least 3 granites, perhaps they will become the first carriers of "Zircons".
    1. -1
      12 November 2018 08: 54
      For Zircons there is not even an engine.
      1. 0
        12 November 2018 09: 55
        Nobody knew anything about the atomic engine for a rocket either, but it is there and rockets fly.
        And there is much more that is not told and shown to us.
        Therefore, you just need to wait and all that is needed will be said and shown.
        1. 0
          6 February 2019 19: 58
          And there is much more that is not told and shown to us.


          The technical assignment, which was given to the designers, was laid out on the Internet for the design of the air defense units of future destroyers and new frigates. There is a detailed list of all submodifications of all "Onyxes" and "Calibers". There is no Zircon. And there is not even a hint of any "Zircon", such as provide an extra meter of length for promising missiles. This is how the Zircon will be made, even if it is in the dimensions of the Caliber, but it is impossible to put it on the ship because of some trifle, some wiring in the connector is missing. And the entire fleet will have to be sent for modernization. And to shoot designers for sabotage in its purest form. Well, let's say it's super secrecy. Is it worth it to comply with a leak of this magnitude? Already two billion Chinese people know that the Zircon is about to be put into service. Any schoolchild on the Internet will find out in no time that the missile will be in the UVP of all current Talvar or Gorshkov-class frigates and future Leader-class destroyers. Knows about the huge range and hypersonic speed. And that she flies in the stratosphere. "The last seaman knows that we are going in search of treasure," as Captain Smollett used to say. So isn't it time for the designers to reveal this secret of polishenel? Let them find out, at least in general terms what dimensions, and what connectors to install, and the volume of combustion products and the speed and temperature of the gas stream. In reality, of course, it is impossible to assume that the whole world knows, but the designer still does not know. The most logical explanation is that all the noise is deliberate misinformation. The Americans have somewhat cooled off to experiments with their X-51 due to its futility, so they need to be warmed up. Let them think that the Russians have already succeeded in doing something like this, let them throw billions more quickly.
          1. 0
            6 February 2019 23: 27
            Well, to begin with, first there were requirements and made a universal launcher for them. On the basis of it, a task for designing missiles has already been made. And therefore, even if hypothetically, "Zircon" could not fail to take into account the requirements of the dimensions, etc. of the launcher.
            Nobody has canceled secrecy here, and if the talkers from the Moscow Region do not tremble, then even more so the factory workers will not do this.
            An example of the S-350 "Vityaz" was talked a lot from the beginning, then there was nothing about it at all, and as a result it was adopted for service and will go to the troops.
      2. 0
        12 November 2018 11: 52
        You do not know this.
  20. 0
    13 November 2018 00: 07
    there are no martial arts in which speed cannot be beaten ... an extremely unfortunate expression.
  21. 0
    15 November 2018 11: 01
    The authorities specifically compost the brains of the people in the field of weapons. As if it will help the life of citizens and the real economy. People, what are you arguing about? Do you really need weapons?
  22. -1
    27 December 2018 06: 49
    Putin!
    Come on new cartoons!
    Americans are no longer afraid of old cartoons
    ... lol

  23. 0
    31 January 2019 15: 29
    I have a brain break.
    Conventional logic. SSGN pr.949 called "the killer of aircraft carriers."
    I don't even know where the Kursk killer is now.
    Tu-22M3 "aircraft carrier killer"
    Recently, the killer fell apart when landing, either from old age, or from a blow.
    Nuclear cruisers were also kind of like killers. I’m not sure about the Su-34.

    Offer - can the name be changed? Well, for example, "the storm of aircraft carriers." And it is neutral and not offensive if such a thunderstorm drowns.
    Do not talk to aircraft carriers about this - they will drown from laughter.
    1. 0
      6 February 2019 20: 09
      Quote: Alex-777
      Nuclear cruisers were also kind of like killers.


      The first killer was still the Project 1234 missile boat. We must understand that if he gets in the way of any destroyer or cruiser, he won’t even look at such a trifle.
  24. 777
    0
    27 February 2019 11: 23
    A powerful hypersonic power? Do not disgrace. Look here https://state-usa.ru/weapon/173-x-51-waverider-giperzvukovoe-oruzhie-ssha