SpaceX Dragon, or New Space Competition

Six years spent on the work of the program COST (Commercial Orbital Transportation Service - Commercial Orbital Transport System) finally gave their first results. On May 22, the Falcon-9 launch vehicle with the Dragon spacecraft was launched at the Kennedy Space Center. Three days later, the device approached the International Space Station, was captured by the Canadarm2 manipulator and docked to it. At first glance, the most common event for modern astronautics. However, Dragon is the world's first transport spacecraft, created not by an appropriate state organization, but by a private company. In addition, SpaceX initially adapted its Dragon to commercial use.

Currently, the United States has high hopes for private projects Dragon and Cygnus. The fact is that the closure of the Space Shuttle program turned out to be somewhat unexpected and, by coincidence, NASA did not have one-time spacecraft to deliver cargo and people to orbit. Creating new ones takes time and a considerable amount of money. The resulting "hole" in the space program had to be urgently closed. In 2006, a solution was proposed that was radically new to the world of space exploration. In January of that year, NASA announced the launch of the COST program. The most noticeable moment of this program concerned the involvement of private organizations in the space industry. They were invited to submit their projects to a promising "cargo-passenger" spacecraft. The US space agency has made such a proposal for several reasons. Firstly, NASA has certain difficulties with financing new complex projects, and secondly, the peculiarities of the state structure do not allow it to fully respond to current requirements in a timely manner, which ultimately results in a considerable time. The COST program, in turn, is designed to use the flexibility and other advantages of commercial organizations. At the same time, NASA was able to allocate for the program only one and a half to two costs per ship of the Shuttle-type.

At the end of 2008, the year ended the first stage of the COST program - the consideration of competitive projects. Contracts were concluded with two firms to complete the development and test of two ships. SpaceX and Orbital Sciences were to bring up the Dragon and Cygnus projects, respectively. Work on the "Signus" has not yet come to an end, and the "Dragon" has already made its first flight. It should be noted that the launch of 22 in May was not the first in the “biography” of Dragon. In December, a test flight was made on 2010, during which the prototype of the “Dragon” went into orbit, made a test maneuver and went in for a landing. But at the end of May of this year, Dragon not only demonstrated its capabilities in the flight plan, but also delivered the cargo to the ISS for the first time. Due to the test character of the last launch today, Dragon was carrying loads of non-essential goods - in case of a possible accident. However, the new truck successfully entered orbit and approached the International Station. Thus, the third test launch, which was planned in case of failure in the second flight, is likely to receive new targets.

Before 2016, the XA NUMX cargo flights of the “Dragon” to the ISS will be conducted under the NASA and SpaceX contract. By that time, the development of a manned spacecraft will be completed. Due to its size, the habitable version of the Dragon will be able to deliver a person or an 12 person to orbit, plus two and a half tons of cargo. There are still at least four years left until the piloted version of the Dragon is tested, and SpaceX management is already making plans for it. Thus, the chief designer and concurrently the founding father of Space X, E. Musk, cites very remarkable figures. According to his calculations, delivery to the orbit of one astronaut will cost a little more than 7 million dollars. For comparison, the last space tourist G. Laliberte laid out 4 millions for his journey, and NASA is currently paying about 20-ty for lifting and lowering each astronaut. Obviously, the Dragon project is worth it, if, of course, the promised 35 millions for an astronaut will be true.

Possible great prospects for the "Dragon" are a cause for concern for the employees of Roscosmos. The SpaceX commercial project in the future may become a real competitor for the Russian Soyuz, primarily in economic terms. Meanwhile, the family of Soyuz spacecraft is about to be replenished with another modification, this time the last one. Soyuz TMA-MS is scheduled for commissioning next year. The TMA-MS option will be used for the next five to six years, and then it will be replaced by the Perspective Manned Transport System (PTS). The new ship is already being developed and in the summer of 2012, the project will be submitted for technical expertise. The first test flight of the PBX will be made in the 2015 year, and by the 18-th ship will be put into operation. According to reports, PPTS will be able to deliver to the 6 orbit a crew member or two tons of cargo. Due to the modular design and reusable descent vehicles, the cost of operating the PCV will be significantly lower compared to the Soyuz of the latest versions.

As we see, the existing peculiar monopoly of the Russian ships can be destroyed in the coming years. However, it is not yet clear how it will be shaken. In addition, between the planned start of operation of the Dragon with the astronauts on board and the first manned flight of the PTSD will not take much time. Therefore, the situation can be any. Finally, SpaceX is a private organization and, as a result, in the event of any serious financial or other problems, it can hardly count on state support, especially in light of the existence of competing firms with similar projects. At the moment, one can say with sufficient confidence only one thing: a new "space race" is being planned. Given the fact that more and more new countries are showing their interest in space, each new ship will have to be better than its competitors.

On the materials of the sites:
http://kp.ru/
http://spacex.com/
http://spaceref.com/
http://federalspace.ru/

Comments

[Joker]

I get the impression that in recent years, the 20 has been greatly degraded by the Americans, they can’t do an airplane, private owners make shuttles, they’re not enough for anything serious, here’s the democracy.

[Tirpitz]

These words in the school of 60-70s of the last century were constantly repeated until the USSR collapsed.

[luiswoo]

Quote: Joker

it seems that the Americans in recent years 20 greatly degraded

It is deeply parallel to me how things are with the manned program in the states, but the fact remains that the Russian is a living corpse after they slaughtered the Diamond program, leaving the world to hang in orbit, replaced further by the ISS - from the latter, neither scientific nor practical, unlike from Diamond, it makes no sense, with the same success it was possible to organize a station in the Mariana Trench ... and that would have come out more sense than from this space hotel. In general, it is not surprising that private traders in this swamp begin to feel good.

[Ross]

Joker,
It is they who so want us to think. Politics. In fact, they are pushing the Russians out in space, they want Roskosmos to remain without earnings, there were no funds for development. They need a monopoly.

[755962]

The Indian Air Force commander, Marshal S.P. Twagi, announced that India is forming space units as part of its armed forces that will solve combat missions directly in outer space. By 2015, the United States intends to deploy another SOI.
At the moment, according to the Hindustan Times, the tasks assigned to the formed units have not been announced, however, the need for the presence in space of not just India, but the Indian armed forces, according to Marshal Twagi, has already been realized and resulted in practical activities. It is curious that the marshal made this statement on the day of the first manned space flight and exactly 20 years after the start of manned flights under the American Space Shuttle program.

[Krilion]

Quote: Ross

It is they who so want us to think. Politics. In fact, they are pushing the Russians out in space, they want Roskosmos to remain without earnings, there were no funds for development. They need a monopoly.

and apparently the process has already begun:

MOSCOW, May 29 - RIA Novosti. SpaceX has signed the first contract with the telecommunications firm Intelsat to launch a satellite using a super-heavy launch vehicle Falcon Heavy, the press service of SpaceX reported.

SpaceX, a private space firm founded by Elon Musk, founder of PayPal, manufactures and uses Falcon 9 launch vehicles. She also participates in NASA's private spacecraft program. Recently, the Dragon spacecraft created by SpaceX flew to the ISS.

In April 2011, SpaceX unveiled a design for a new super-heavy launch vehicle, Falcon Heavy, which would be capable of launching about 53 tons into low orbit - twice as much cargo as existing heavy launch vehicles. The most powerful missile in existence - the American Delta IV - can put into orbit a cargo of 22,9 tons, the Russian "Proton" and the European Ariane - 21 tons.

As expected, the first launch of the new rocket will be carried out in late 2013 - early 2014 from the cosmodrome at Cape Canaveral. However, SpaceX and Intelsat have already signed a contract that provides for the launch of a telecommunications satellite into geosynchronous transitional orbit.

"SpaceX is very proud of the trust placed by Intelsat, a leader in satellite telecommunications services," Musk said.

According to SpaceX, Falcon Heavy will be able to launch a 12-ton payload into geosynchronous orbit. The future rocket is based on the proven Falcon 9 - it will be "composed" of three such rockets.

Intelsat is a leading global provider of satellite communications services.

http://ria.ru/science/20120529/660263685.html


only complete oligophrenic does not see the very alarming prospects for the development of this situation ...

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Joker

I get the impression that in recent years, the 20 has been greatly degraded by the Americans, they can’t do an airplane, private owners make shuttles, they’re not enough for anything serious, here’s the democracy.

It's not so simple. This project, like the actions of the US government, raises many questions. Facts first
- the ship was designed and manufactured with US budget money
- the ship was designed and manufactured by NASA fired specialists
And now the question arises why such a "disguise". I read that there are several versions
1.the next "cut"
2. will be put into orbit "something" to which the US government does not want to be involved.
3. NASA does not want to show that the Shuttle project was a dead end and its "step backward" from reusable (expensive) to disposable (economy) was covered by a private company.

[White]

Yes, how much can the Yankees be stupid, etc.
SpaceX is an example to follow around the world for her 10 years old during this time they created an engine, a rocket and a ship (look, for example, what’s going on with the Angara launch vehicle in 1996 and you can’t see the end) by the way, the vast majority of employees are people a little over 30.

The dragon, unlike all the previous ones, does not have an aggregate compartment, shunting engines, tanks, etc. everything is stuck in a capsule in the rear compartment only solar panels. And another Dragon reusable ship is this a step backwards?

The development and manufacture of the carrier and the ship cost 1.1 billion dollars. 800 million is the money of the company. 275 million - advance payment under the COTS contract. Another 25 million is a congressional grant.

[Aleksey67]

Quote: White

SpaceX is an example to follow around the world to her 10 years old during this time they created an engine, rocket and ship

Let's understand
Progress (Russia) cost of about $ 25 million + auto-dock, time-tested, reliable
Dragon (USA) declared value of about 115 ml. dollars (without auto-docking) first flight

What are the benefits and leadership? About the price can be judged by the Raptor claimed 150 million. As a result, 411,7 million.

[White]

1. The ships "Soyuz" and "Progress" are masterpieces of Soviet cosmonautics, worked out to the ideal with incredible reliability, but you cannot stand still if you do not know that back in Soviet times, they began to design a replacement for the Soyuz spacecraft "Zarya" (by the way, an idea with a vertical landing on the engine that they now want to implement on the Dragons).

2. On the Dragon, auto docking is also provided, but it is clear that no one will risk using it in the first flight.

3. The cost of launching the Soyuz launch vehicle is $ 35-80 million STATED the cost of launching the Dragon is $ 20 (although at the moment this figure does not mean anything until it starts to fly constantly then we find out) it seems like there is a benefit

[Aleksey67]

Quote: White

The declared cost of launching the Dragon is $ 20 (although at the moment this figure does not mean anything until it starts to fly constantly then we find out) it seems like there is a benefit

Okay hope in arithmetic strong

Under $ 1,6 billion contract, SpaceX will have to spend at least 12 flights

for 1.6 watermelon bucks how many flights can you make for

ANNOUNCED Dragon launch cost $ 20

[ASP]

If I remember correctly, the NASA website states that this contract is for 12 flights and "finishing" (not to be confused with sawing) the ship to its final state, including manned. It's just that the press indicates 1.6 for 12 flights without specifying how much for a flight, how much for revision.

[Pimply]

Progress - 25 million cost, and not in 2012-m, and 10 years earlier. Now the cost is indicated in the area 80-100 million dollars.

Falcon 9 (in the heavy version) is capable of putting a larger tonnage of cargo into orbit. At the same time, the declared value of the delivery of goods over three tons is two times lower.

[Joker]

The U.S. Air Force closed the project for developing the Blue Devil II airship with 1,13 tonne capacity, Aviation Week reports. The creation of the aircraft was carried out by MAV6, a contract with which was signed in October 2010 of the year.

The reason for the closure of the project was a protracted development program - the airship was supposed to begin testing for combat use in Afghanistan in February 2012, but did not even make its first flight.

In addition, the project has almost doubled in price. Initially, the US Air Force planned to spend millions of dollars to create the Blue Devil II 86. In March 2012, the U.S. Air Force command attempted to expedite the development program by excluding the creation of reconnaissance equipment and software from the contract that would allow the airship to operate in unmanned mode. The current contract for the creation of Blue Devil II expires 30 June 2012 year; The US Air Force did not request financing for the 2013 year.

Yankees aren't dumb talking? all that they now have the fruits of 20 years ago, no new and really significant developments that could be applied they have not, it all comes down to mythical robots and the rest of rubbish. I must say thanks to Sikorsky, who emigrated to the USA and created good helicopters there, otherwise they would fly now on some sort of canoe worth a billion dollars and which would fall apart after each departure here’s an indicator for you, we are developing a fundamentally new technique, which is a cut above in characteristics and ease of operation than American junk, of course there isn’t enough money yet, well, we do everything for ourselves, we don’t borrow like homeless people there is something to be proud of.

[Pimply]

Dear, I will surprise you, maybe, but refusal to develop is a common situation everywhere. For example, the rejection of the object 195 in Russia. Developments from these projects are then used in other projects, not in one program, but in another. You know that the experienced competitions of machines-robots were unsuccessful for many years in a row - there were no winners. However, as a result, now these autonomous machines are, and in quite working condition.

Dumb Americans call people stupid or small by age.

[Joker]

A Comanche helicopter propelled by F-22 and F-35, which is painfully smart, I’ll see how. Here, read more http://www.newsru.com/world/17jun2011/usa_2.html
Cut, cut and cut again

[White]

Tell me these advanced developments personally, I see only PAK FA; everything else is the modernization of Soviet technology.

PS I do not criticize our technology, do not attack me, I admire Elon Musk and his company SpaceX he from scratch created a company built production facilities, assembled a design bureau with young and talented. He embodies his ideas in metal and not plywood models at exhibitions.
There are a lot of design bureaus in the post-Soviet space with tremendous experience with factories, but they can’t do anything even with money.

PS2 All the Yankees are so at the same time komenty scribbling on computers with American processors ....

[Gym teacher]

The USSR space program was mainly limited to propaganda launches designed for a high-profile international effect and launches for military purposes.
Unlike the USSR, NASA primarily worked in areas where long, complex and expensive research is required.

As a result, the spacecraft of the USSR have never been to the outer planets of the solar system. All the data that we will take about Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Mercury is obtained from American interplanetary stations.
Pioneer 10, Pioneer 11, Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 were the first man-made objects to overcome the pull of the Sun and leave the solar system. In 2015, the New Horizons station is to arrive in the vicinity of Pluto - it has been in flight for many years.

Interplanetary probes Cassini, Galileo, Ulysses, Soho, Messenger - Russia is not averse to creating anything like this. Phobos soil has fallen. And five days later, the American station Juno successfully went into deep space.
The famous Lunokhod worked on the lunar surface for a month. Spirit and Oppotunity rovers have been on the surface of Mars for several years.

America has created a heavy spacecraft "Apollo" and a heavy launch vehicle "Saturn-5" - Soviet engineers were never able to synchronize the work of the N-1 engines. America was the first to develop reusable ships and built such a ship - the Shuttle.
Where are the Russian analogs of the American orbital telescopes Planck, Hubble, Chandra, Herschel? The only Russian Radioastron? But this is too little to be considered the best. The orbital constellation of GPS satellites - the Russians with their Glonass were 20 years late here.

Yes, our vehicles flew to the comet, landed on Mars and Venus. But during the same period of time, NASA probes visited all the distant planets of the solar system, put into operation the Shuttle (130 launches), a GPS system, space observatories and learned how to repair satellites in high orbits (800-1000 km) - our cosmonauts never not far from the earth.

AS A RESULT, THE SOVIET COSMONAUTICS LEADED IN THE 60S, WHEN IT WAS POSSIBLE TO LAUNCH COMPARATELY SIMPLE APPARATUS AND QUICKLY RECEIVE WORLD GLORY.
WHEN REALLY COMPLEX AND EXPENSIVE RESEARCHES ARE REQUIRED, AMERICA RAPPED FORWARD.
NOTHING REDUCING THE MEETINGS OF THE SOVIET SPACE PROGRAM, OBVIOUSLY THAT THE USSR TAKES A SECOND HONORARY PLACE. LEADS WITH BIG DIVISION OF NASA.

[Professor]

Not tired of retyping the same comment from topic to topic?
Yes, and even in red bold letters ...

[Krilion]

Quote: Joker

I get the impression that the Americans over the past 20 years have greatly degraded, they can’t make an airplane, shuttles are made by private owners,

the situation where spacecraft began to privately be carried out can hardly be called degradation ... rather, on the contrary ...

[itr]

Do the fuck right to steal taxpayers money
And here the owner is you can’t deceive him.
Well done one word at a time while our hero lover gets in an unfair battle on the horns, people go in front and develop. But the championship was our first tourist, etc.
So in vain they haite while we have one incomprehensible program for the flights of the Royal rockets, they at least conduct 3. So the fruits have gone

[Tirpitz]

itr, correctly. The owner in our country and in the West are two different approaches to business. There, half of the weapons are produced by private companies.

[Zerstorer]

They have investors who can invest money and wait for them for about 15-20 years (this is normal for them). We have: marketing-stamping-svaling. We also have people who invest in industry and create new enterprises, but as a rule, more than a large car service does not work ...

[Altergo]

I knew that the Yusovites would not be left without spaceships for long. And it’s really time for us to introduce new systems for the delivery of goods and people to the ISS.

[Justme]

A fairly obvious question is in the air.
That's how many people and resources are needed to make the task..project..real achievement ..
Let's look at the old photos of this forum where the developers of our highest achievements in technology from the 30s, 40s, 50s are shot.
This is usually a group of people who all fit in one photograph.
Let's look at the pictures of our design departments from the late 60s, 70s, 80s. These are rows, .. rows, .. rows of culmins.
What are people doing there? - as far as I remember - women secretly knit something or read fiction.
And then try now or right now to coordinate any network diagram - a bunch of bosses will lay bones to block it (and take resources and then do nothing).

[Zerstorer]

The increase in people in design bureaus before the advent of normal CAD is well founded. You can not compare the MiG-3 and MiG-31))) On the MiG-31 half of the country's defense research institutes worked. And the MiG-3 can also be built in pilot production at design bureaus.

The situation in most of our defense design bureaus is close to stagnation. The only thing I can offer is to join in interest circles ... For example, let's make a conceptual design of a UAV for patrolling borders (There can be any topic for anyone who likes what). To perform a preliminary design, a lot of people are not required. If you get something interesting, you can act through the design bureau and look for a private investor.

I am a design engineer with a degree in airplane and helicopter.
Let's do something already ...

[Justme]

To really start doing something is a good idea ....
Moreover, we, the developers, know how much time and money are actually needed to make projects.
If you need solutions in electronics, embedded mathematics, specific programming - please contact ...

[Tirpitz]

A bit about space technology.

17 May 2012, Russia launched its eighth reconnaissance satellite Cobalt M. The first such satellite was launched eight years ago. The second Cobalt M was very dramatically launched in May of 2006. This launch was like never before, as the only Russian active spy satellite ceased to exist a month earlier. By the end of 2006, Russia managed to launch an electronic reconnaissance satellite as well as a naval reconnaissance satellite. Russia has dozens of military satellites in orbit, but all of them are designed to provide communications and other functions, but not photo and electronic intelligence. Russia still uses many satellites developed by the Soviet (Cold War era) technology. This situation is changing with the creation of a new generation of satellites built to Western standards. However, many old technologies will remain in operation in the foreseeable future.

if the information slipped somewhere, then right now I’ll delete it. Source www.strategypage.com

The Cobalt M satellites weigh 6.7 tons and contain three descent vehicles for returning the film. Yes, a quarter of a century after the United States stopped using this method, Russia continues to use photographic films on some of its reconnaissance satellites, rather than digital photographs. The United States was the last to use Keyhole 9 (or KH 9), a film-equipped spy satellite in 1984. Spacecraft KH series (from KH 1 to KH 9) dumped high-resolution photographic film in special capsules.

Russia launched its first reconnaissance satellite with digital photo equipment in the 1997 year. He was called Arkon and was not very successful. A more reliable Persona satellite (with a higher resolution) was put into orbit four years ago. This happened through 22 of the year after the launch of the first American reconnaissance satellite with digital photo equipment KN-11. The US still uses the KH-11 series of satellites (significantly upgraded compared to the original), which have much higher resolution and reliability than Persona.

The Keyhole spy satellite 9 (Keyhole), the first of which was launched into orbit in 1971, was not only the last American project of film spy satellites, but also the largest and most capable. Its main circuit was used in subsequent satellites with digital cameras. KH 9 could cover a large area with a high resolution 0.6 meter at that time. This was more than enough to detect and count the number of tanks, aircraft and even small ships. The nineteenth and final KH 9 was launched in the 1984 year. KH-9 was a 13 and ton satellite with several cameras and four or five descent vehicles for returning the film from the orbit for its further development and analysis. KH-9 satellites have received the nickname "Big Bird". The first spy satellite KH 1 with a film camera was launched into orbit of 19 on August 1959 of the year (approx. "Professor" - its resolution was 7.5 meter). Thus, during 25 years, satellites equipped with film cameras monitored hostile nations.

[Nursultan]

Ah private traders are already flying on the MKC. I won’t be surprised if these Yankees already sold the whole moon

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Nursultan

I won’t be surprised if these Yankees already sold the whole moon

At one time, Hitler endowed his loyal warriors with latifundia on the territory of the USSR. How did you remember?

[Professor]

Competition is very good. Prices should fall so much that space communications will be in every mobile phone.

[luiswoo]

Quote: professor

Prices should fall so much that space communications will be in every mobile phone.

And on Mars I will bloom apple trees ... And who will pump a lot of money to make space communications a competitor mobile? Space communications operators are doing well, and the mobile one costs a penny and is almost everywhere where there is a civilian person. I think the cost of deploying an orbital constellation of communications satellites and the development of the shuttle are slightly different weight categories.

[Professor]

20 mobile communications years ago was even more exotic and expensive than satellite now. For example, for $ 525 you can buy the Inmarsat IsatPhone Pro Satellite Phone satellite communications device (some devices already cost $ 200).

The whole "problem" is the price per minute of conversation. Today it is still too high for a wide range of users (although not as expensive as 10 years ago, today a minute of conversation costs from $ 0.15 to $ 2 (sometimes up to $ 15), depending on how and where to call), but as soon as 10-20 more satellites appear. under this case, the situation will change radically.

[luiswoo]

Quote: professor

The whole "problem" is the price per minute of conversation

What are we talking about - and they are so good. The market resembles a mobile, at best 10 summer prescription.

Despite the fact that mobile communications do not stand still, either.

[DEMENTIY]

The Perspective Manned Transport System (PTS) is an ambitious project that implies the creation of a new generation ship that will replace both the obsolete Soyuz and the no less obsolete Progress (which, in fact, is a cargo version of the same Soyuz ").
PPTS are seen not only as an orbital ship, but also as a means of manned flights to the Moon and even Mars, and this designation is laid in its construction from the very beginning. The current layout (presented at MAX-2009 and MAX-2011) provides an opportunity to take a look at how it will look in advance.
The ship will be a reusable, reusable capsule, which will be equipped with a disposable engine compartment. The capsule will be 6,1 meters long, with a maximum body diameter of 4,4 meters. The "Union" and "Progress" have a maximum diameter of 2,7 m, that is, the PPTS is more than one and a half times more spacious.
Roscosmos set a condition: if necessary, one person should be able to control the ship. That is, the most serious requirements for the management system are presented. It is clear that it can’t be simple for such a machine, but there is also a hard limit on its complexity.
With a crew of six people, the PPTS will have to deliver at least 500 kg into orbit and return the same amount back. Naturally, if the crew is smaller, then more cargo can be sent. For all this, the mass of the ship itself will be very small: 12 tons of take-off mass during orbital flights (and 16 tons with long-range). The mass of the returned part together with the soft landing systems is 8 tons. This is supposed to be achieved with the help of especially durable aluminum alloys and carbon plastics.
The basic modification of the spacecraft is intended for delivery to orbit and return from it of a crew of six people with an autonomous existence of up to 5 days. On board the "lunar" modification, as indicated in the message of "Roskosmos", four cosmonauts should be accommodated during an autonomous flight of up to fourteen days. Orbital modification assumes up to a month of autonomous flight.
It is planned that under the PTSS its own launch vehicle, Rus-M, will be developed, and the launches will be carried out from the future Russian Vostochny cosmodrome, which is planned to be built in the Far East in the Amur Region.
In general, the entire program "Rus" is a big swing for the distant future: in particular, the first unmanned launches of the PTS are planned to begin in 2015, and manned ones - only in 2018, and this is provided that by that time fifteen successful, trouble-free launches. At the beginning of 2011, members of the Federation Council were told about this by the now former head of Roscosmos, Anatoly Perminov.

[White]

The creation of the Rus-M launch vehicle was abandoned in favor of the Angara which it has been creating for 15 years.
http://www.rbcdaily.ru/2011/10/07/industry/562949981679228

[Justme]

.... This was in early 2011, members of the Federation Council said now the former head of Roscosmos Anatoly Perminov ....
I saw this Perminov - the impression is heavy - the illiterate dreamer-grandfather sitting on the hilling of the dough (as well as the mass of people around him ..)
To promote such projects, we need real specialists with real resources and real responsibility.

[luiswoo]

Landing a jet-powered module is quite original .. I wonder how it will look live.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/ppts_touchdown_V_fl.html

[PabloMsk]

Yes well done shatatovtsy!

There he docked normally and had already unloaded the ship.
Progress must not stand still, whoever moves this progress!

[McFly]

Ours should be pushed so as not to get into the glaze with new space projects

[lado-6060]

Money should be spent wisely: In order for the British club “Chelsea” to win the Champions League for the first time in its history, Roman Abramovich spent eight years and two billion dollars.

Elon Musk spent about the same amount and ten years time on the FALCON launch vehicle and the DRACON spacecraft.

[Justme]

For example
The price of any small project in our research institute (aerospace) starts from 1 (and up to hundreds) million rubles, for one person in the laboratory we must have contracts for 2 million rubles, the salary hangs somewhere around 10-18 thousand. rubles (though our parking lot is packed with very expensive cars).
I did similar projects for Siemens trains on freelance - their costs for paying - somewhere around 50-100 thousand rubles. in total, while the profitability from mass replication was achieved at 100% of the cost

[Drcoks]

So what about our promising system? moving or standing?

[Honory]

The space race is good. These are new breakthroughs, but for how many years there has been complete stagnation. In the sense of nothing fundamentally new.