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Kill Kanyon: countering the new Russian intercontinental nuclear torpedo

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In March of this year, Russia for the first time officially presented information on a promising multi-purpose ocean system, later called Poseidon. Available data on this development have become a serious cause for concern. However, foreign experts were able to cope with anxiety and began to study a dangerous object. Among other things, the development of countermeasures against Poseidon began.


Perhaps the most complete material on the fight against a promising Russian model at the moment was presented by an American underwater researcher fleet H.I. Sutton. Not so long ago, on his own website, Covert Shores, he published a voluminous article entitled “Killing KANYON: Countering new Russian Intercontinental Nuclear Torpedoes” - “Kill Kanyon: counteracting the new Russian intercontinental nuclear torpedo”. The theme of this material, as follows from its title, was the fight against unusual weapons Russia.

At the beginning of the article, the author notes that the promising product “Poseidon” (also known as “Status-6”, Kanyon and “Skiff”) differs from the existing submarines with greater speed and depth of travel, as a result of which it will have to be fought with the help of new tools. H.I. Sutton tried to determine what new types of weapons could be created in NATO to combat the unusual threat.


The alleged appearance of "Poseidon"


The author notes that the reasons for the appearance of "Poseidon" are not completely clear. The simplest assumption relates this project to the development of missile defense. Modern missile defense reduces the potential of intercontinental missiles, and this requires rebuilding strategic nuclear forces. It is also possible that a new project was launched in connection with the Treaty on the Reduction of Offensive Arms. A new weapon does not fall under its action, and therefore its deployment is limited only by some other agreements of a very general nature. Finally, the Poseidon project may be based on the principle of increasing reliability. A special submarine does not depend on satellite navigation, and thanks to this it can continue to work even if a space group is defeated.

H.I. Sutton believes that the reason for the emergence of the project could hardly be the secrecy of the submarine. "Poseidon" is not a silent unmanned boat, able to penetrate unnoticed into the waters and without warning to deliver the first strike. He also notes that the new Russian development can be attributed to the class of unmanned vehicles, but in essence it is a weapon. Consequently, the modes of operation and routes of the device will be as simple and reliable as possible. Moving along straight routes, the Poseidon will rely not on stealth, but on speed and depth.

The author calls the Poseidon a unique multipurpose weapon that can be used as a strategic or tactical delivery vehicle. In this regard, the product can be considered as a long-range torpedo with a special warhead. Its goal may be coastal cities or moving surface objects.

In the demonstration videos, the Poseidon product was shown as a tactical nuclear weapon, which makes the issue of countering it particularly important. The use of such a system for strategic purposes, in turn, is prevented by the threat of a retaliatory strike and mutual assured destruction. Under these conditions, the means of counteracting such weapons are not needed or can prevent, since one of the parties gets a certain advantage. Such arguments are often used in disputes around missile defense, and perhaps the Poseidon project was created precisely as a response to anti-missile systems.

If the Poseidon was originally developed as a strategic weapon, then some answers appear. With its help, despite the development of missile defense, the possibility of an effective retaliatory strike remains. At the same time, such a system can be used as a tactical nuclear weapon, which imposes different requirements on counteraction.

According to Kh.I. Sutton, just two countries are directly interested in creating means of protection from Poseidon - these are the United States and Great Britain. Both of these states have developed naval forces, which may be the target of Russian vehicles in the role of tactical weapons. In addition, their fleets have hunting submarines, whose task is to search for Russian underwater strategic missile carriers. In the future, they will have to master the search and unmanned vehicles.


The proposed option hydroacoustic complex. A - search hydroacoustic system; B - sea mine; C - Seatooth communication system; D - connection buoy; E - torpedo; F - Poseidon product


Starting in the sixties, western hunter submarines were created in order to follow Soviet ships carrying ballistic missiles. They should have been able to immediately attack and destroy their target, preventing the launch of missiles. Such principles are still relevant, but their implementation is associated with certain problems. Russian submarines have become quieter, and NATO is increasingly faced with a shortage of its submarines to patrol. Search and destruction of enemy submarines can be carried out using various autonomous systems, but in the case of the Poseidon, everything is much more complicated. Even if all the submarines with missiles could be found and destroyed, NATO fleets will have to search and hit autonomous vehicles, otherwise there is a great threat.

Seatooth type maritime network structures

Before the attack, an underwater target should be found, and Kh.I. Sutton is considering the further development of anti-submarine search engines. He believes that the existing stationary hydroacoustic complexes need a special addition. The latter should be a rapidly deployable network of surveillance tools. It may also include its own means of destruction. The presence of weapons will reduce the reaction time, which is critical in light of the high speed of the Poseidon.

Such networks should be placed on the intended path of the enemy’s underwater vehicle. The author believes that an attempt to pursue and attack from the rear hemisphere may not succeed due to the high speed of the target. According to known data, the Poseidon will be able to reach speeds around 70 nodes, which is close to the maximum limit of objects like a torpedo.

For the rapid deployment of sonar systems, patrol aircraft or anti-submarine helicopters must be used. It is also necessary to study the issue of creating a cruise missile with a cluster head unit containing the necessary devices. Such a product will allow as soon as possible to establish a network of surveillance equipment, including in the area under the control of the enemy, where work is excluded aviation.

Typically, sonar buoys are used to search for submarines, having radio contact with the aircraft / helicopter carrier or the coast. However, the great depth of the "Poseidon" can make them useless. In this case, it is necessary to use the equipment installed at the bottom. Such instruments have an additional advantage over buoys: they do not drift, and therefore the network can operate for a long time.

Modern detection tools stacked on the seabed have a characteristic drawback. Individual components of such networks are connected using cables - they increase the weight of the system, and in addition, they are subject to unauthorized connections. These problems can be eliminated with the help of modern wireless communication systems, such as Seatooth from WFS Technologies. Such equipment at short distances can use acoustic communication, and with increasing range, radio is used. At minimum distances it is possible to use optical communication, which provides the highest transmission speeds. It is important that each Seatooth communication unit includes instruments of all three types.


The defeat of "Poseidon" with hypersonic weapons. A - Virginia submarine with VPM module; B is the accelerator separation point; C - hypersonic glider; D - discharge of the payload into the water; E - the trajectory of "Poseidon"; F - meeting the payload to


The interception system may include sea mines and special ground torpedo tubes. They should be equipped with Seatooth instruments and integrated into the common complex. Such a network, as well as new principles for processing incoming information, among other things, could reduce the likelihood of false alarms. It also becomes possible to update the data in the torpedo equipment as you move past the new network nodes.

Placing torpedo launchers along a network of sensors should ensure the correct response to the threat in the form of a “Poseidon”. Due to this, it will be possible to get the most serious advantages over stationary mines. Also, the network anti-submarine complex will be able to transmit data to the coast, which will allow to attract other means to work.

Long Range Defeat

Vertical mine launchers, available on many US submarines, according to Kh.I. Sutton, can be used for firing promising hypersonic rocket gliders with one or another payload. So, such a weapon can be equipped with an anti-submarine torpedo or a special warhead, with the result that it will become a modern analogue of the decommissioned UUM-44 SUBROC complex. Short flight time and long range glider will give the submarine carrier special abilities. In fact, ships in the North Atlantic will be able to attack Poseidon in the Arctic Ocean. In this case, the warhead or torpedo will arrive in a new area before the unmanned vehicle goes a long distance from the place of detection.

An alternative to hypersonic gliders can be “traditional” type rockets or high-speed vehicles with direct-flow engines. According to known data, the United States is currently developing several projects of this kind at once. Similar systems are also being created abroad - China is leading the DF-ZF project, and in Russia the product “4202” or “Avangard” is being created. The author notes that the relatively large size of the first stage of a rocket of this class will not allow it to be made the carriers of the UK submarine.

Torpedoes new generation

The existing models of torpedo weapons used by the naval forces of the United States and Great Britain were created to combat submarines capable of developing relatively high speeds and sink to a sufficiently great depth. However, the available data on the Poseidon project show that the characteristics of modern torpedoes may not be sufficient to combat prospective threats. This means that in order to counter the new Russian development it is necessary to create completely new torpedoes.


Perspective torpedo armament. A - the submarine is launching a torpedo; B - a torpedo rises to the surface to search for a target and obtain target designation; C - torpedo immersion; D - the torpedo is heading towards the target; E - the approaching Poseidon


Prospective torpedo weapons, apparently, will differ little from unmanned underwater vehicles. It should be expected that such weapons will be created in the light and heavy classes. Its caliber will reach 21 inches - 533 mm. The author suggests that the appearance of a heavy torpedo is possible, capable of carrying several samples of the light class or drones. Such equipment will increase the likelihood of successful detection of the target, and then simplify the guidance on it and the subsequent defeat.

Light torpedoes of a new type should have small dimensions that will allow them to be placed inside an 21-inch torpedo carrier. The latter can carry two torpedoes in caliber 10,5 inch (267 mm) or three 9,5-inch (228 mm). Thus, the promising light torpedo turns out to be noticeably smaller than the existing serial products of its class that are in service with NATO.

As a result, there is a need to create a whole line of three types of torpedo weapons. It should include 533-mm torpedoes for submarine use, 324-mm ammunition for anti-submarine helicopters and surface ships, as well as 9,5-inch caliber products for use with larger torpedoes.

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From the available information, it follows that the ocean multi-purpose system “Poseidon” is a fundamentally new model of marine equipment capable of solving various tasks, primarily related to the defeat of various surface and coastal facilities. The unique running characteristics of the product contribute to obtaining high combat qualities.

It is understandable why the Poseidon project attracted the attention of foreign experts. Even the limited amount of data available about this development shows how serious a threat it is. Naturally, immediately after the appearance of open information, foreign military and experts tried to identify the real possibilities and threats of the underwater vehicle, as well as to find ways to counter it.

It should be noted that from the point of view of technical appearance, the Poseidon is a cross between super-heavy torpedoes and nuclear submarines, and combines some of their qualities. As a result, there are special technical characteristics, and with them, outstanding opportunities of various kinds. The performance characteristics and strategy of using a multi-purpose system, in turn, turn out to be a serious challenge for foreign military men and designers.

Even a superficial examination of the available data shows that the Poseidon is able to overcome without serious difficulty the resistance of at least parts of modern anti-submarine systems. To ensure an adequate level of protection, promising detection and destruction means with enhanced characteristics are necessary. H.I. Sutton, in his article “Killing KANYON: Countering new Russian Intercontinental Nuclear Torpedoes,” considered the main problems and issues of creating such an interception system, and also made certain suggestions.

The thoughts of a foreign author seem to be correct and logical. Indeed, the presence of stationary and rapidly deployable sonar networks, as well as the use of promising torpedoes and highly efficient control systems can reduce the threat of Poseidon. However, at the moment all these tools are missing. Will they appear, and will NATO be able to effectively confront new challenges? Time will tell. Russia has made its new project, and experts commented on it. The next move in this game is for foreign military men and designers.

The article "Killing KANYON: Countering new Russian Intercontinental Nuclear Torpedoes":
http://hisutton.com/Countering_Russian_Poseidon_Torpedo.html
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  1. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 3 October 2018 05: 57
    -2
    An interesting article +! The proposed version of the sonar complex. They’ll cover everything with sea mines, leaving only a place for their submarines to pass. Plus, where the submarines will be navigating, they are crammed with sonar buoys, plus they have decent R-8 aircraft
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 3 October 2018 06: 17
      +3
      It will be so. A little expensive of course, but the Americans themselves print the dollar.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 3 October 2018 08: 48
        +30
        Quote: Snail N9
        It will be so. A little expensive of course, but the Americans themselves print the dollar.

        Seriously? Are you sure this will help? At least for self-education, you looked at why the SOSUS system was mothballed and stopped developing it further. Take a look at the coastal border of the United States, take a calculator and estimate how many mattresses this can get up, and then write here about printing a dollar and other heresy.
        H.I. Sutton believes that the reason for the appearance of the project could hardly be the stealth of the submarine. "Poseidon" is not a silent unmanned boat, able to quietly penetrate the water area and without warning to deliver the first strike.

        And why isn’t it silent then? Why did this expert decide that Poseidon would drive with obscenities and songs to the shores of the United States so that the whole Atlantic could hear him?
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 3 October 2018 09: 13
          +1
          Amerikos headache

          There was no sadness ....


          On the other hand, they have revitalized the military-industrial complex, rubs his hands:

          - the good old days are returning, but without it there was nothing to do



        2. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 3 October 2018 10: 07
          +8
          Quote: NEXUS
          And why isn’t it silent then? Why did this expert decide that Poseidon would drive with obscenities and songs to the shores of the United States so that the whole Atlantic could hear him?

          Either quietly or quickly, otherwise it does not work.
          1. meandr51
            meandr51 4 October 2018 13: 02
            +3
            In my opinion - a cool divorce! A counteraction system will cost 100 times the attack system. The best way to bankrupt America. In addition, any speed can be programmed. Both small and large. And undermine the sensor system with the first nuclear charge, and with the second - on purpose. And you can come up with a bunch of buns.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 4 October 2018 16: 20
              +2
              Quote: meandr51
              And you can come up with a bunch of buns.

              Can.
              A few nuances.
              1. This thing, as it were, does not exist. Reflections of a private individual, not a budget commission, are given. So you can invent anything.
              2. Any device that wants to blow up the Americans will have to swim dozens (in the West) or hundreds (in the East) at a depth of several tens of meters in the continental shelf, where it will be extremely vulnerable.
              3. Such a thing is useless with a retaliatory strike. She will sail in a few days, when the fallout will be realized. With proactive release in advance and completely madness - if partners discover it, they are the first to grovel.
              4. An underwater explosion on the coast will not cause significant damage. with the exception of several large harbors that can be quickly and reliably blocked.
              1. Vladimir Postnikov
                Vladimir Postnikov 5 October 2018 16: 10
                0
                There are nuances. 1. Does not exist - that's for sure. 2. It will be vulnerable if it will shuffle 100 nodes at the declared speed (see paragraph 1). 3. Here you are not considering the option that was originally proposed in 1999. And he was then offered as a weapon of retaliation (a weapon of retaliatory strike, and by no means an counter-one). 4. Yes, it’s some rubbish, which is not even easy to model. In 1999, an underwater autonomous vehicle was considered a weapon carrier.
                I give you a link to my "History". There are only facts. Check out what the reaction was in 2000.
                https://yadi.sk/i/iskQfZ4Ag2qmtw
                I hope you find this information more interesting. And I turned to the author of this article here, somewhere at the very end.
              2. Ehanatone
                Ehanatone 8 December 2018 17: 37
                0
                Paragraphs 3-4 to vaabsh about anything
            2. Vladimir 5
              Vladimir 5 4 October 2018 18: 52
              -1
              After all, the Americans of the USSR bankrupt. Now they need to ride on the same. It’s time to throw another option, in the form of a jamb of autonomous torpedoes with artificial intelligence on nuclear fuel ... so that it’s guaranteed to backfire ...
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 4 October 2018 19: 33
                0
                Quote: Vladimir 5
                After all, the Americans of the USSR bankrupt.

                There were a lot of things.
                Quote: Vladimir 5
                Now they need to ride on the same.

                Will not work. At partners already there is a solution. They monitor the base (frankly, there are few of them), and, according to rumors board any submarine that goes into the sea. They have more than enough MPL for this. Add to this the P-8 Poseidon, which is already being made in the second hundred and completely unlimited in number, a very serious PL of large NKs, plans to attach PLO to LСS, from which you can’t get away at 50 knots, ACTUV - you can protect several harbors more than .
                And forget about the tsunami if you suddenly counted on it. The bottom relief off the coast of the USA does not contribute to a large tsunami.
                Quote: Vladimir 5
                autonomous torpedoes with artificial intelligence

                You see, here, and natural intelligence is in considerable deficit.
                1. Vladimir 5
                  Vladimir 5 4 October 2018 20: 47
                  -1
                  The main thing is to frighten or scare them, so can they not muddle all the trackers with false outputs, start up almost yachts (I wanted to say Abramovich) with pulling noise emitters at least under the borehole, at least for the Warsaw, individually tuned for each submarine and wandering around for days on end until they get lost accounts., but you never know what you can stir up ... That’s what enemies can’t keep track of - ambush submarines grazing near the bases of the Russian Navy, these are flaws and reproaches ... About the tsunami and other fears with the Yellowstone, it’s also built on fear , the elephant needs to put a barrier with spikes, otherwise, in a fit of rage (he often happens) he can transmit many, because he crushed, Iraq, for example, and you can’t count the small fry ......
        3. Kent0001
          Kent0001 3 October 2018 11: 15
          0
          And he can (if necessary) shoot fake torpedoes ... and the amers will have to react to them too.
        4. NordUral
          NordUral 3 October 2018 12: 11
          +5
          The right question is about speed. Silent move, without songs and dances - imperceptibly and reliably.
          Or in general - crawl to a nook in the calculated place and lie down to rest. There are options. Well, and speed, so it may not be required, if these places are chosen competently.
        5. psiho117
          psiho117 3 October 2018 13: 49
          +2
          Why did this expert decide that Poseidon would drive with obscenities and songs to the shores of the United States so that the whole Atlantic could hear him?

          Speed ​​= noise. The submarines are quiet, while they are at low speed, as soon as they accelerate, they all become "roaring cows".
          And if a cavitation tip is installed on the Poseidon, then in general you can forget about any secrecy
          1. Gray-haired
            Gray-haired 3 October 2018 19: 00
            -2
            And who whistled to you about the "end"? laughing ?
          2. meandr51
            meandr51 4 October 2018 13: 05
            0
            And what, with a tip you will not go quietly already? Quietly you can always go through the belt sensors. At a kilometer of depth, no sensors will be useful. And, when necessary - a sneaker on the floor.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 3 October 2018 17: 13
        +1
        Quote: Snail N9
        So be it.

        Yatsenyuk to help them. He has fence fences and ditches to dig experience has. laughing
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother 3 October 2018 07: 42
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
      plus they have decent R-8 aircraft

      Yes, they will not, by this time, no aircraft.
      1. Kent0001
        Kent0001 3 October 2018 11: 17
        +4
        Super, then we are now discussing something that we simply will not witness. And all the same, what will happen to "Poseidon" in the ocean boiling with radionuclides ...
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 3 October 2018 12: 12
          +3
          Someone will. Of course we are not Petersburg or Moscow.
        2. meandr51
          meandr51 4 October 2018 13: 06
          +1
          Well, why so dark? The consequences of nuclear war are greatly exaggerated.
      2. Gray-haired
        Gray-haired 3 October 2018 19: 11
        -3
        Well, right word, right away with your knee in Faberge? There will also be two swarm of planes in the Pacific, in the Atlantic. We don’t know how many rumblings are there, but a sergeant, he’s your ass, he’s scouting directly from the sofa from the intelligence. You have to be soft, soft and trust people! wink
    3. Horse, people and soul
      Horse, people and soul 3 October 2018 13: 56
      0
      ... leave only a passage for their submarines


      This place, on our part, will not remain empty either.

      The range of strategic submarine missiles allows them to be launched without departing from the pier. You don't have to go anywhere to "launch rockets from there." You just need to hide the boat.

      The ice of the Arctic Ocean to the rescue.
    4. Yarhann
      Yarhann 4 October 2018 02: 42
      +1
      there was already such a thing - the SOSUS system and it passed ... And this machine will be much quieter, having passive means of technical detection on board it can bypass any ambush. And given the depth of the Pacific Ocean, let’s say the same, it simply can go at depths inaccessible to search. Do not forget that such a machine can work at a depth of about 1000m.
      These are all stupid systems and cut dough - it’s one thing for the radar to close the air - another thing is the ocean - there are several times less detection range - and when the boat goes at low speed it is noise at the level of the noise of the ocean itself and it is almost impossible to detect.
      The acceleration of the car to the maximum speed will be immediately before going into shallow water to the target.
  2. Sergey Goncharov
    Sergey Goncharov 3 October 2018 06: 23
    +3
    The author notes that the relatively large size of the first stage of a rocket of this class will not make it a carrier of a British submarine.

    In fact - SSBNs and the United States and the United Kingdom have absolutely standard mines. bully
  3. kuznec
    kuznec 3 October 2018 06: 52
    +8
    We do not know the nature of the combat load of Poseidon. But what if there is some semblance of RGH? Poseidon reaches a certain milestone (for example, the line of buoys PLO), and produces several torpedoes with nuclear warheads.
    You mean to catch them all.
  4. Gray brother
    Gray brother 3 October 2018 07: 31
    +6
    It is possible to programmatically provide for the detonation of a torpedo in the event of a threat of destruction by making, thereby, a guaranteed breach in defense or teaching it to go under the bottom of a passing ship.
  5. Gray brother
    Gray brother 3 October 2018 07: 40
    +10
    I’m interested, but how do they determine that this is specifically approaching? Or do they have an acoustic portrait? And if there is, then why did they get that during combat use it will be exactly the same?
  6. ilik54
    ilik54 3 October 2018 07: 42
    -1
    Finally it dawned on them and they began to fuss!
  7. Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 3 October 2018 07: 49
    +8
    Yes, all this is just talk and dreaming. Each of the "partners" is trying to intimidate his opponent with another horror story. only God knows.
    1. sergei28
      sergei28 3 October 2018 19: 50
      0
      The military-industrial complex of all countries interact to receive orders, even during the period of hostilities.
  8. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 3 October 2018 08: 17
    -1
    time is running out, new tools are replacing old ones, especially old-fashioned reticules, battleships-cruisers and destroyers with helicopter carriers look especially ridiculous
  9. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 October 2018 09: 47
    +7
    Poseidon is somewhat similar to SDI ... it is simultaneously striking a blow at the economy of the defending side. And this, most likely, is his main mission.
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    1. KBaHT_BpeMeHu
      KBaHT_BpeMeHu 3 October 2018 12: 23
      +5
      + penny drone control equipment
      It’s not a plane to launch, such a device can be compared in terms of complexity with a ballistic missile and even with a vigorous engine, in the case of Armageddon, and they must independently find targets and reach them.
      1. rtutaloe
        rtutaloe 12 October 2018 19: 27
        -2
        My smartphone is now more complicated than the electronic complex that is needed to solve these "complex" problems.
        1. KBaHT_BpeMeHu
          KBaHT_BpeMeHu 15 October 2018 10: 16
          0
          I am not an expert, but you probably imagine even weaker how this works. In the event of a global conflict, your smartphone will turn into a brick, and let's say a ballistic missile, guided by the stars, in the conditions of counteraction, electromagnetic radiation, a continuous curtain of radioactive dust, without any satellites, navigation and landmarks on the ground, will very accurately find a given target.
  11. Tektor
    Tektor 3 October 2018 11: 26
    +1
    States will not be able to block all possible directions from which Poseidon can approach their bases, because The super torpedo can be delivered anywhere in the world’s oceans on any ship that has a device for its discharge. Even a simple boat or barge of suitable dimensions. But you can think of a parachute option ... Or a dirigible airship ...
  12. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 3 October 2018 12: 50
    +3
    I think that for the foreseeable future, Poseidon will probably become the most realistic response of the Russian Federation in terms of countering the United States and NATO. However, such "Poseidons", and most importantly, their carriers should be not just a few pieces, but several dozen pieces, and it is not clear whether the RF budget will withstand such.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 4 October 2018 13: 08
      0
      Withstand, because it is much cheaper than a submarine.
      1. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 4 October 2018 16: 22
        0
        I wonder how many can be placed on one submarine? And of course, we must not forget that such submarines must undergo routine maintenance work, including in dry docks. So how many submarines do we need to be on alert?
        1. coach colch
          coach colch 5 October 2018 23: 03
          0
          I wonder how many can be placed on one submarine?

          But no matter how much, well, or one ... look at the picture, there is the size of the Poseidon in relation to the growth of a person ...
  13. iouris
    iouris 3 October 2018 13: 04
    +2
    It's like Tomahawks with KENS. In principle, optimal trajectories can be calculated. There is no absolute weapon or counter-weapon. But the problem is not only in weapons, but in the political project, which is protected by the armed forces of the state and the political will of the state leadership.
    1. rtutaloe
      rtutaloe 4 October 2018 11: 40
      +2
      If the torpedo has a nuclear propulsion system, then its range in combat conditions is practically unlimited, unlike any missile. The operating time of a nuclear reactor is several years. The operation time of the Tomahawk rocket engine is several hours. For a running gear with a power reserve of several years, any irrational peak loads can be programmed in the form of the strangest ways. Physics here, unlike rockets, is almost unlimited.
  14. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 3 October 2018 13: 54
    +1
    Chetarzhu ...

    Poseidon maneuvers along an unpredictable trajectory at a depth of 1 kilometer and moves at a speed of 100 knots.

    The Americans will not know where he is, and if they do, they will not be caught and will not catch up.

    laughing
  15. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 3 October 2018 14: 18
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Take a look at the US coastal border

    Why look so wide? How many large naval bases in the USA do you know? They are not many ... It is enough to build a defense around them. Take, for example, Norfolk. I don’t remember how much hours there it is necessary to "cut" along the fairway before directly getting into Hampton Rhodes Bay, but I remember exactly that the depths on the fairway are about 15 meters there. It is not enough. The very base of the ships is separated from the Chesapeake Bay by a fairly wide coastline ... To penetrate the base of the US Atlantic Fleet, our "torpedo" must somehow be able to pass through the fairway, the approximate depths at which I have just voiced ... destroying it there won't be no labor for the anti-submarine defense of the US Navy ... And so almost everywhere. More or less large seaports, both on the Atlantic and on the Pacific coast, are separated from the ocean depths by coastal shallow waters (who would doubt it, right?) ... and some are generally located high in navigable rivers ... I deeply doubt that the Americans let a sufficiently large underwater object at a distance where it can inflict unacceptable damage on them. Far out in the ocean - yes, maybe (only if this "Status-6" is not fiction), as a hunter for the AUG, but on naval bases ... this is nonsense. They won't let him go there.
    1. Newone
      Newone 3 October 2018 14: 41
      +4
      Shallow water then it is of course shallow water. Only in shallow water are tsunamis perfectly organized. We are talking about the carrier of a nuclear device of 100 MT of power. The torpedo will not reach. And the wave will reach.
    2. ivanec
      ivanec 3 October 2018 20: 35
      +1
      But how did they let the "Pike" go to the Statue of Liberty?
      1. aiden
        aiden 4 October 2018 22: 47
        0
        Do you believe in these tales?
    3. Yarhann
      Yarhann 4 October 2018 02: 54
      -2
      why should a torpedo come in if a wave of shallow waters flushes the base with ships ashore - as in American films.
    4. meandr51
      meandr51 4 October 2018 13: 13
      +1
      This is in the case of gentlemanly actions on the part of the Russian Federation. In the case of the gangster’s, the YAZ’s system of sensors around the base explodes first, communication and air support are interrupted, and after 5 minutes the main torpedo goes on. And not necessarily on the fairway. 10 m of depth is enough for her. Maybe crawl along the sewer, if necessary :)
    5. I fudo
      I fudo 16 October 2018 17: 33
      0
      it's a weapon for cities, not military bases
  16. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 3 October 2018 14: 39
    +2
    Quote: Gray Brother
    Or do they have an acoustic portrait?

    Yes, there is. And this is not a secret for anyone, neither for us, nor for them. "Acoustic portraits" all our ships have long been remembered by their BIUS. Even if some ship is not there, it is only a matter of time. In fairness, I must say that the images of their ships and vessels (not only American ones) are also registered in the memory of our BIUS. And special vessels are engaged in the collection of information. For example, disguised as fishermen. In Vladivostok, a separate Pacific Fleet brigade is engaged in this, they have such tricky ships in service ... Americans and Japanese have been aware of this for a long time, if that ... Well, aviation, of course, with their sonar buoys.
  17. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 3 October 2018 15: 07
    +1
    Quote: Newone
    And the wave will reach

    Norfolk is not threatened. As I have already said, the ship’s base itself is separated from the bay by a wide coastline. I had to go there several times for work, I must tell you that the place is perfectly protected from the elements. Megatons, tsunamis ... I am inclined to believe that these are illusions. It seems that we are hanging loose noodles on our ears. I am a navigator, and I have been to Norfolk enough (and not only there) to form my opinion on his hydrography. The tsunami in Norfolk, this is nonsense. Like in Los Angeles or San Francisco ... Tsunamis are scary for Japan, because there it takes no more than 30 minutes to go from the place of reception of the pilot to the berth, often less (with the exception of Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya), that is, the entire infrastructure is , practically, at the very edge of the water. In the USA, at least where I had to go, I had to go with the pilot for an hour, and two, sometimes 4 hours. They have more or less serious industries located, if not far from the coastline, then at least behind serious breakwaters.
    1. Horse, people and soul
      Horse, people and soul 3 October 2018 17: 26
      +3
      An artificial tsunami with a wave height of 100-200 meters will pass over land many tens of kilometers, until it loses its strength.
      1. aiden
        aiden 4 October 2018 22: 51
        +2
        It’s enough to provoke a yellowstone to erupt, find a suitable place, and blow up such a torpedo.
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 4 October 2018 13: 24
      0
      The entrance to the Norfolk base is only 5 km from the ocean. If you undermine the first torpedo at the entrance, then the entire counteraction system will be disabled. The second torpedo calmly passes at high speed on the lip and breaks where necessary.
    3. xtur
      xtur 4 October 2018 16: 40
      0
      > I am a navigator, and I have been to Norfolk enough (and not only there) in order to form my opinion about its hydrography.

      > Tsunami in Norfolk, this is nonsense. Like Los Angeles or San Francisco

      You may be a navigator, but you did not manage to explain why a tsunami with a height of km will not go into the bay. Using open sources (wikis), you can independently determine which tsunami is 100Mt.
  18. 1970mk
    1970mk 3 October 2018 15: 19
    -1
    An article continued Idiocy-marasmus - nothing more ... What is an intercontinental torpedo? Is half a year going to the goal? Someone is developing it? Well ! The task of delivering a nuclear charge is easily solved by ROCKETS! Only Crazy will suggest what the author is talking about. There is another option two - we will saw for this business BABKA! There is no third..
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 4 October 2018 13: 27
      +1
      How problems are solved in a real atomic war, you probably know only you. Because they were already there. And the rest are fools, they prepare different methods based on unexpected things.
  19. andrey682006
    andrey682006 3 October 2018 20: 59
    +2
    "Saw, Shura, saw, she is golden" (c)
    The farther, the more it seems to me that Status-6 is a way to radically increase US defense spending.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 4 October 2018 13: 28
      0
      Do you think it will not explode?
  20. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 3 October 2018 21: 49
    +1
    This is how they invented trillion developments to destroy one torpedo. And if she goes at a speed of several knots, they will capture a nuclear winter, at best.
  21. macgyver
    macgyver 3 October 2018 23: 37
    0
    Two "Poseidons" are sent at once, one explodes and disables the entire / part of the detection sensor system, and the second goes straight to the target.
    1. rtutaloe
      rtutaloe 4 October 2018 11: 29
      0
      In, and it happens. Cornets are even capable of breaking through active defense in this way.
  22. rtutaloe
    rtutaloe 4 October 2018 11: 28
    0
    Quote: Cherry Nine

    Either quietly or quickly, otherwise it does not work.

    In fact, in nature, it has long been thought up to sneak up quietly, and attack quickly. So it is possible both quietly and quickly. A change in the pitch of the screw, for example, to change quietly to quickly - this is no longer news in the field of technology.
  23. rtutaloe
    rtutaloe 4 October 2018 11: 45
    0
    Quote: Brylevsky
    Quote: Newone
    And the wave will reach

    Norfolk is not threatened. As I have already said, the ship’s base itself is separated from the bay by a wide coastline. I had to go there several times for work, I must tell you that the place is perfectly protected from the elements. Megatons, tsunamis ... I am inclined to believe that these are illusions. It seems that we are hanging loose noodles on our ears. I am a navigator, and I have been to Norfolk enough (and not only there) to form my opinion on his hydrography. The tsunami in Norfolk, this is nonsense. Like in Los Angeles or San Francisco ... Tsunamis are scary for Japan, because there it takes no more than 30 minutes to go from the place of reception of the pilot to the berth, often less (with the exception of Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya), that is, the entire infrastructure is , practically, at the very edge of the water. In the USA, at least where I had to go, I had to go with the pilot for an hour, and two, sometimes 4 hours. They have more or less serious industries located, if not far from the coastline, then at least behind serious breakwaters.

    The question is why it is necessary to destroy these bases, isn’t it easier to block these flotillas in the ports themselves with such a difficult route for passage. Why not wash a funnel with a protruding edge with a nuclear explosion that will interfere with shipping and thus block the fairways. While they are washed, this is the time that will give a tactical advantage. The analogue is the Battle of Sevastopol.
    1. xtur
      xtur 4 October 2018 16: 44
      0
      > Why not a nuclear explosion ... block the fairways.

      100Mt may well throw several km ^ 3, if you find a way to properly direct the blast wave
  24. Indifferent
    Indifferent 4 October 2018 12: 09
    +4
    The author played a lot on paper, but did not see the ravines. At one time they had the SOSUS - SOund SUrveillance System. They surrounded the United States and delivered them elsewhere. So what? The sense of this system was like a goat of milk. Although tens of billions of dollars have been ditched for its creation and maintenance. And our boats, as they went where they wanted, continued to go there. After all, after autonomy, especially to the shores of the United States, the assessment of the activities of one or another submarine commander was not displayed immediately upon arrival, but after receiving information from our intelligence. If the boat was found, the commander received a failure. If found, but he broke away from the pursuit, then it will satisfy. And if it was not found, then great. Most of the antisubmarine lines of the adversary were able to cross and not be detected. Despite the fact that from time to time three Orions hung over us. Throwing buoys and all the same the boat escaped pursuit. Much more depends on hydrology. And with the right choice of depth, the foe simply has no chance. I went to the Indian Ocean several times. I had to surface in the South China Sea. It's shallow. And follow almost three days to the Strait of Malacca on the surface. Well, at least one American appeared in three for! And only in the strait did Orion fly in and something surface anti-submarine appeared. We were accompanied by the destroyer Spuens. So to find a deep-sea torpedo at great depth is completely out of fantasy.
  25. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 4 October 2018 13: 35
    0
    Quote: ivanec
    But how did they let the "Pike" go to the Statue of Liberty?

    Obviously, in about the same way as M. Rust was allowed into Red Square ... the "human factor", most likely. Or is it a deliberate giveaway game in order to increase defense spending - you haven’t thought about such a possible scenario? Personally, I got the impression that our submarine politely let, exactly what would achieve an increase in defense allocations. But this is so, by the way ... Now about the case. How many times I have not visited New York, I have never seen a large number of ships there. More precisely, I never saw a single one. This is in contrast to Norfolk, where the soldier stands like a herring in a barrel ... A simple thought comes to my mind personally that the approaches to New York are guarded in a completely different way than to Norfolk. Indirectly, this is evidenced by the fact that on the approach to Norfolk, the warriors need to request permission to enter the bay, if this is not done, there will be problems; such permission is not required on the approach to New York. It is obvious that the regime for protecting the water space there is significantly different from the regime of the base of the Atlantic Fleet. Yes, and ships, including aircraft carriers, and aircraft are constantly spinning near Norfolk. Various teachings are constantly held there. For me, as a navigator, this is a "hemorrhoid" because I have to plot a course in safe "corridors" that change periodically, and there is practically no military activity near New York ... maybe this indirectly contributed to our penetration.
  26. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 4 October 2018 13: 44
    0
    Quote: Tektor
    The super torpedo can be delivered anywhere in the world’s oceans on any ship that has a device for its discharge.

    I suggest you talk on this topic. You can give examples such ships?
  27. Old26
    Old26 4 October 2018 13: 54
    +1
    Quote: Yarhann
    there was already such a thing - the SOSUS system and it passed ... And this machine will be much quieter, having passive means of technical detection on board it can bypass any ambush. And given the depth of the Pacific Ocean, let’s say the same, it simply can go at depths inaccessible to search. Do not forget that such a machine can work at a depth of about 1000m.
    These are all stupid systems and cut dough - it’s one thing for the radar to close the air - another thing is the ocean - there are several times less detection range - and when the boat goes at low speed it is noise at the level of the noise of the ocean itself and it is almost impossible to detect.
    The acceleration of the car to the maximum speed will be immediately before going into shallow water to the target.

    There are more questions than answers about Poseidon. For example, what for him the intercontinental range, if we are talking about sneaking up "quietly".

    Question 1.
    But our publications always emphasize that his speed is under 100 knots. So you can completely forget about secrecy.
    Question 2
    Navigation issue. Any ANN has such a disadvantage as accumulation of errors during long-term operation. More or less is the tenth thing. But it does. At the maximum range (according to open data) "Poseidon" will have to go for a couple of days at maximum speed. How much will he deviate from the point where he should "bang".
    Question 3
    The activities of electronic equipment, especially when you consider that it is unlikely that this torpedo can be made as perfect protection against radiation as on submarines. And here the entire control system will be located between the "hammer" (charge) and "anvil" (nuclear installation).
    Question 4
    HOOK, located in the bow of the super torpedo. Most often, the range and sensitivity of the equipment depends on the HAK antenna. How sensitive (accurate) will such equipment be and what will be its range in order to respond in time to obstacles that have arisen on the way.

    In short, more questions than answers.
    The depth of the torpedo we have declared as 1 km. What depths of action of countermeasures in our opponent we do not know. We focus on data from half a century ago (at least on the same SOSUS system)

    Further. The article itself is by no means as stupid as it sounds. It is clear and understandable that our enemy will try to create his own "shield" against our "sword" (the "Poseidon" system). It is foolish to think that we are so unique that we were able to create something like that, and our enemy cannot create anything. Even if now his means of detection and destruction may not "reach" the defeat of "Poseidon", one should not hope that the situation will continue to be the same

    For some reason, everyone remembers SOSUS. But when it was. When was this system created? It is unlikely that these hydrophones changed to something more sensitive.
    Surely, the software of such detection tools has changed, and if something was previously impossible, this does not mean that it is impossible now. Look at the same reconnaissance satellites and compare it with such a weapon system that we had - BZHRK "Molodets". The satellites of that time did not have sufficient resolution to identify that train with a 100% guarantee as BZHRK. Only for certain indirect data. Now the resolution of satellites reaches 10-15 centimeters. And it becomes easier to "identify". Why do we hope that everything has remained the same with hydrophones? Yes, the SOSUS system is mothballed, but can we give a 100% guarantee that they are not working? I would not give such a guarantee. And therefore to declare, dismissing all the arguments on the other hand, that all this "garbage" and "Poseidon" would be elusive enough

    Quote: kuznec
    We do not know the nature of the combat load of Poseidon. But what if there is some semblance of RGH? Poseidon reaches a certain milestone (for example, the line of buoys PLO), and produces several torpedoes with nuclear warheads.
    You mean to catch them all.

    And if the distance from the line of buoys to the target is several hundred miles, what will this torpedo with MIRV give? Well, this torpedo is split, and the carrier itself, what will he do? What is the point of spending huge sums on the nuclear power plant of this "super torpedo" if it will itself be used as a banal carrier and after the release of "Torpedoes" it can be written off for scrap?

    Quote: Tektor
    Even a simple boat or barge of suitable dimensions

    especially the boat. You load a sort of fool, 20-30 tons in weight and 2 tens of meters in length (with a caliber of 1,5 meters), and forward. Simple and tasteful.

    Quote: Newone
    Shallow water then it is of course shallow water. Only in shallow water are tsunamis perfectly organized. We are talking about the carrier of a nuclear device of 100 MT of power. The torpedo will not reach. And the wave will reach.

    our "broadcasters" of this idea have already changed the power of the EMNIP warhead by 2 megatons. For they finally realized that talking about a 100-megaton charge, without ever blowing it up and not knowing, would work and how this device is stupidity.

    On, in shallow water it can also be formed by prices. Again, it all depends on a lot of factors. For example, the depth of the charge detonation and the depth of the bottom in this place. But the enemy also knows all the weak points in this defense. In addition, shallow water can be patrolled by means of PLO quite tightly. So, not everything is as simple as drawing

    Quote: Alex2048
    I think that for the foreseeable future, Poseidon will probably become the most realistic response of the Russian Federation in terms of countering the United States and NATO. However, such "Poseidons", and most importantly, their carriers should be not just a few pieces, but several dozen pieces, and it is not clear whether the RF budget will withstand such.

    Possible carriers so far only TWO (2 special purpose boats)

    Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
    An artificial tsunami with a wave height of 100-200 meters will pass over land many tens of kilometers, until it loses its strength.

    To do this, you need to explode a 100 megaton charge at a distance of 10 miles from the coast. Are you so naive that you think they will let us in so far? This, incidentally, is the territorial waters of the country ....
    1. I fudo
      I fudo 16 October 2018 17: 43
      0
      with all the data from many nuclear tests and modern computing power, there is no need to conduct real tests of new products. There can be any kind of "megatonicity". And a lot of cobalt
  28. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 4 October 2018 13: 58
    0
    Quote: Horse, lyudovѣd and soulѣlyub
    An artificial tsunami with a wave height of 100-200 meters will pass on land many tens of kilometers, until it loses its strength

    It's somewhere in Bangladesh or Thailand. In the USA, such a scenario is not feasible: terrain + urban density. I'm talking about large seaports now. You are not going to "shoot" Oklahoma and Kansas?
  29. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 4 October 2018 17: 25
    0
    Quote: meandr51
    The entrance to the Norfolk base is only 5 km from the ocean.

    Are you sure? Wait, I’ll get the globe from the bookshelf (just kidding) ... I’m too lazy to climb into the passage plane, but if I remember correctly, there are about 16 nautical miles ... Will you translate it into kilometers?
  30. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 4 October 2018 17: 49
    0
    Quote: rtutaloe
    Why not wash a funnel with a protruding edge with a nuclear explosion that will interfere with shipping and thus block the fairways.

    Why not destroy the naval base, along with its contents, with an aerial nuclear explosion? I do not have an answer to your question ... It seems to me that it is more expedient to use precisely missile weapons (are they the "most-the-best" we have?) Than the concept of a nuclear torpedo dragged over our ears. Well, who are they going to wash away from a nuclear explosion, beach bungalows in Miami? Hotel complexes located near the coastline? I'm not trying to impose my opinion on anyone. Here is the opinion: "Status", or whatever its name is now, is good only for one purpose, namely: to lie for many years at the bottom (or drift in the pelagia) of the ocean or sea in the areas of deployment and / or patrolling of the AUG, listen to the water, upon detecting and classifying the corresponding noises, proceed at maximum speed to the meeting point, where and destroy the entire order with an underwater nuclear explosion. That is, speaking like a muzhik, without feldeperson nano-ponte, this is the concept of a self-propelled nuclear sea mine. All.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 4 October 2018 20: 27
      +2
      Question amateur! Why is a missile with special warheads not considered as warheads of such a super torpedo? Such a torpedo sailed on soft paws to the same Norfolk for 60-80 kilometers, surfaced neatly and pulled a rocket. The reaction time for air defense / missile defense should be very short so that it fights against such missiles, the probability of a breakthrough is high, plus electronic warfare is strong on a dashboard for cover, false targets. The problem of shallow water is solved with a bang. Plus reach to objects inland.
    2. rtutaloe
      rtutaloe 7 October 2018 20: 22
      0
      In fact, in the process of applying Molotov Cocktails in the Second World War, it was discovered that you can’t destroy a tank with one cocktail. Moreover, it was better to begin to blow up the caterpillar with a grenade, and then toss it with cocktails, and you need 3-4 pieces. Not at all like a movie, right?
      Why did I say that. In fact, the NATO missile defense deployment strategy provides for the concept of a preventive nuclear, or non-nuclear (with the help of massively stamped Tomahawks) attack on Russian missile mines, airfields and other things, after which the Russians should have no more than 15-25% of strategic nuclear warheads that are effectively and will hit the missile defense. So the question of the effectiveness of Russian missiles after a preemptive American strike is still open. Moreover, Russia needs to withdraw from the treaties on limiting the number of strategic nuclear warheads (START-2, START-3, etc.), because it is useless to change the flea by redistributing a limited number of warheads. In addition, to effectively counter missile defense, it is necessary to disperse the warheads. However, to contain more warheads, the economy must be more powerful.
      Again, how does everyone know that it would not be permissible to have an unmanned submarine with only one or two warheads in the form of shorter-range missiles, or tactical missiles. No one knows what it will be.
      Therefore, let's say we block the American fleet in the bay, and then throw it with nuclear warheads, for example, from airplanes (the second wave of strike) may be the only possible option in the conditions of the defeat of the main nuclear group of Russia by a preventive strike by NATO members.
  31. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 4 October 2018 18: 27
    0
    Another budget cut and nothing more. Better dig shelters may come in handy ...
  32. Note 2
    Note 2 4 October 2018 21: 18
    0
    High speed, unattainable depth - for a very long time NATO will not be able to oppose anything!
  33. shinobi
    shinobi 5 October 2018 05: 10
    0
    Blah blah blah. They can only close their objects on the coastal borders, and even then not everywhere. In neutral waters, the network is removed from the side at a time. It is verified. The device is designed to move below all known sonar corridors, the author apparently does not know that only another boat can track the submarine outside these corridors. By buoys here only coordinates will be specified. Otherwise, the entire oceans would already be in such networks, and the price is ten. To call the device carrying 150-200 megatons (presumably) a tactical charge, when initially would about the strategic response to their missile defense as a weapon of retaliation, what’s it? An attempt to calm down? What kind of quick deployment does this pepper talk about in conditions of nuclear exchange? Sick fantasy, or just not friends with your head? Where will the network data go, if it is preventive deployed, if the first thing that will be destroyed is the satellite constellation and command centers? The thoughts of such theorists are far more dangerous than the nonsense of outright militarists because they give rise to the illusion of security and invincibility.
  34. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 5 October 2018 07: 01
    0
    Quote: garri-lin
    Why is a missile with special warheads not considered as warheads of such a super torpedo?

    Missile, hopefully winged? The question, of course, is interesting ... I think we need to wait 5-10 years until the rumors have leaked to the media ... In general, the idea is really interesting.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 5 October 2018 11: 35
      0
      The rocket can be any. There, a range of 100 km is enough for the eyes.
  35. Brylevsky
    Brylevsky 5 October 2018 07: 27
    0
    Quote: meandr51
    The entrance to the Norfolk base is only 5 km from the ocean.

    Sorry, but we seem to be talking about different distances. And here it should be clarified: you, obviously, watched the Norfolk plan on Wikipedia? In this case, there really will be about 5 km (the shortest). In this you are right.
  36. Vladimir Postnikov
    Vladimir Postnikov 5 October 2018 15: 46
    +1
    In March of this year, Russia for the first time officially presented information on a promising multi-purpose ocean system, which later became known as Poseidon. Available data on this development have become a serious cause for concern.

    Dear author, could you informally present what
    Russia officially introduced for the first time
    The cartoon in March featured the silhouette of a "Harpsichord" with a speed of 3 knots. In the summer of this year, they showed a mock-up, presumably life-size, inside which an electric motor was installed, which turned what looked like a screw (prudently blurred in the video).
    Please tell us these
    Available data
    so that we have a serious reason for pride, and the enemy has a serious reason for concern.
    Thank you in advance
  37. tun5t
    tun5t 26 December 2018 08: 22
    0
    It will be good if this drone of depths Poseidon is equipped with a charge of 100 Mtn. It was for this purpose and was originally intended. Trials on the new earth have given a good confirmation of this idea. Then Britain and the USA on their land will feel like in a pot with soup. In general, they will want the world, their mentality.
  38. octogen
    octogen 11 August 2019 16: 25
    0
    I wonder what kind of power they will put the CH charge there))) After all, according to my estimates, there are no financial, physical and mass-dimensional problems and put 1 GT charge in Poseidon. If he is capable of washing away cities by an explosion at least 20-25 km inland from the coast, then at least 25% of the US population is "at gunpoint"
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 20 October 2019 19: 06
      0
      Question: Did the exchange of ICBM strikes already take place by then?
      Residents of all Russian military (production and bases) and industrial centers have long been on the fly, and the flight time is half an hour. Similarly, residents in the respective centers of the United States. Called nuclear deterrence.
  39. 3danimal
    3danimal 20 October 2019 19: 02
    0
    The easiest option to destroy such a dangerous high-speed target is to use deep-sea torpedoes with a nuclear warhead. It is not necessary to catch up with Poseidon, you can cross him and undermine 5-50 kt 100m from him. A shock wave in water will flatten everything within a radius of half a kilometer, the problem is solved.
  40. octogen
    octogen 24 February 2020 15: 43
    0
    By the way, I have fantasized and the following picture emerges: if you do not care about specific parameters and "press with mass", then the fourth stage of the TH charge may look like a long cylinder. Using the Tsar Bomba as the primary unit of the PMSM, you can get 1-10 GT of power. The diameter of the torpedo will be 4-6 m. Part of the power can be donated and gold can be added to the last stage of the TN charge. It will produce the gold-198 isotope, which has a half-life of 2.7 days. At the same time, it has a monstrous radioactivity. It is both cheerful and cheap: for 10 half-lives, the activity drops to almost 0, the winds 27 days before Russia will not carry this shit. But Sodom and Gomorrah will be poured on the heads of the Americans. Even if the wind blows 200-500 km inland, it is already profitable. The coastline 20-25 (and maybe 50) km from the coast is washed away by a wave, and then the winds carry radioactive fallout.

    P.S. charges of lesser power can be crammed with tantalum, it is better than cobalt in activity, but here it is already necessary to calculate so that it does not convey to Russia.