GVPU: back to the future?

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News about the seemingly revival of the institute of zampolitov / military commissioners or how else, the military and near-war circles stirred up. And there is why.





Actually, the fact that our military recognized the complete collapse of both the system of military psychologists and workers with personnel, this is not bad. What is the point in the invention of the next bike, if they ride along the streets for how many years?

Well, we built it and finally ... No, we did not build it, we recreated it? The main military-political management of the Armed Forces! On July 30, the relevant decree of President Vladimir Putin was published on the official legal information portal.

"To appoint Colonel-General Andrei Kartapolov as Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation - Chief of the Main Military-Political Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, relieving him of his position"

Judging by the personality of the general appointed to the newly emerging position, management is not ordinary. Deputy Minister at the head. Andrei Kartapolov is not just a general. He is a very high quality, not a cabinet general.

GVPU: back to the future?


Appointment perceive with approval. At the previous position (head of the ZVO) Kartapolov proved to be a competent military man, so he is quite capable of trying to pull out a newborn project.

His service record includes not only command of formations at the level of the army and districts, but also service in the headquarters of various levels, including the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces. And no one has forgotten the command of the grouping in Syria.

So what happened? Defense Minister Shoigu decided to revive GlavPPur? “Zampolit political commissars, and still commissioners” are returning to the units? Again, party representatives in the army? Which party? There were a lot of questions. The Ministry of Defense itself doesn’t give any answers to the Ministry of Defense itself.

The first, and probably the most important question - is it worth to expect in the near future "invasion" of political leaders into the army?

The answer, in our opinion, is obvious. Not! Why? Yes, simply because they, these same political politicians, are not available. Just physically not. And get nowhere.

In the USSR, there was a well-functioning system of training political workers. A whole network of military-political schools prepared deputy politicians for various types and types of troops. That is, not just political workers came to the troops, but people who had some knowledge in specific military areas.

At the same time, political workers were a fairly separate caste in the army. Even the advancement in military rank and promotion depended more on the decision of a higher political body than on the commander of a unit or unit.

Some clarity in this matter was introduced by the new head of the department, General Kartapolov. 1 September 2018 was a meeting of the Head of the Political Administration with the cadets of the Military University of the Ministry of Defense.

The meeting began with the congratulations of the cadets on behalf of the Minister of Defense with the beginning of the school year. And then General Kartapolov spoke about the management and the upcoming tasks for its formation.

According to the general, the formation of the management structure should end by March 1 2019. And this work includes three stages.

The first stage. Prior to 1 October, 2018 was eliminated by the General Directorate for Work with Personnel. The staff of this department, after passing the corresponding recertification, will become part of the Main Directorate of the RF Armed Forces.

7 administrations and one (military heraldic) service will be formed. A referral will be created on the basis of the disbanded personnel management department. The direction of military discipline and crime prevention.

The Military University, the Department of Culture and the Office for Work with Citizens' Appeals are also being transferred to the GUVP.

The second stage. Before 1 December 2018, a structure of political bodies was created at all levels of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation down to the regiments.

Emphasize this nuance. “Up to the regiments” is top down. That is, regimental political workers - this will be (so far) the lowest level. We will see further.

The third stage. Until 1 in March 2019, a system of training personnel for political bodies is organized on the basis of the Military University and military schools of the types and types of troops. Here it is necessary to note one small detail.

Training, according to Kartapolov, will be conducted according to the new federal state educational standards developed taking into account the proposed model of a military-political worker.

Can anyone explain what model a modern military-political worker should be? Probably, this model is super-discreet. Well, not the "UAZ-Patriot", in the end ...

The general got much better explanation for the creation of the Main Department.

"The main goal of the military-political bodies being created is to form a warrior-statist - a reliable and loyal defender of the Fatherland, a carrier of traditional spiritual and moral values ​​of Russian society - statehood, spirituality and patriotism!"

True, even here a quite reasonable question arises about the political component of the work. Rather, we can talk about a new ideological component of our state. Statehood, spirituality, patriotism!

True, in order to talk about the ideological component, it is necessary to adopt at the state level the state ideology. Then everything will fall into place.

And what, perhaps, is quite suitable for our country set. A bit of plagiarism, however, smacks. Orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality. But I think the Minister of Education of the Russian Empire, Sergei Semenovich Uvarov, will not be offended. With the French "Freedom, equality, fraternity" we somehow did not succeed. Repeatedly.

The main goal of the work of future "political politicians" was also voiced.

"The main tasks should be the formation of an ideologically convinced, strong spirit of the personality of the serviceman, cohesive military teams capable of performing tasks for the purpose in any conditions, the formation of the patriotic consciousness of the military, civilian personnel of the armed forces, as well as military-patriotic work with all citizens of Russia and above all with the youth. "

To be honest, I tried to find in the speech of the general a mention of the political component in the work of his administration. I had to bow my head before the knowledge and skills of the new head of the political (!) Management.

Do not break the general law! Indeed, the Law "On the Status of Military Personnel" (Art. 10, p. 7) explicitly states that members of the armed forces are prohibited from participating in the work of political parties: "... to use the official position in the interests of political parties and public, including religious, associations, as well as to promote attitudes towards them."

On the whole, it seems that the Ministry of Defense first created something, and then got lost in the names and attempts to figure out what, in fact, was created.

And it turns out that, despite the letter “P”, meaning “political” in the title, there is no political component in the GVPU. At least for now. And there is no ideological, since there is no official ideology. There is only educational.

Not bad, it is possible that this strange parade of the PR project "Yunarmiya" will also fall under the jurisdiction of the GPU. Perhaps Kartapolov will be able to give this ridiculous, but beautifully externally created, some kind of impulse to real things.

If you copy the Soviet system, then copy completely, in an amicable way. From "voluntary societies" to help everyone and everything, to truly "deputy political instructors."

Then there will be no abyss that exists today. The gap between education and upbringing. Educators will be educators in schools, in lyceums, in universities, in the army, and not as animators who inspired the public, as they do today.

Maybe that's why it was just such a general who led the “newborn”. Of chronic winners. Andrei Valerievich Kartapolov is somehow not trained to lose. It means that it will be very possible.

In any case, we sincerely wish Andrei Valerievich success in his new endeavors. Although, we admit, we cannot even imagine everything that he will have to face.
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  1. +18
    5 September 2018 06: 04
    mmmda ... in the absence of ideology, are political instructors needed? what
    1. +13
      5 September 2018 07: 45
      in the absence of ideology, are political instructors needed?
      - Well, it's the states, financing, bloating cheeks ...
      1. +14
        5 September 2018 11: 27
        Not only that, I'm afraid. There is also a rationale for why a soldier should fight for the thick wallets of the oligarchs. Isn't that what "patriotic education" will consist of. I make the army a contract, i.e. hired, so money should be in the lava corner, since there is no ideology for the Motherland.
        1. +3
          5 September 2018 14: 06
          Mercenaries have to pay, and a lot. And so I want to save money, and so that the soldier is motivated.
          1. +1
            5 September 2018 15: 27
            Clone Mehlis and Epishev to the troops, to each company!
        2. +3
          5 September 2018 17: 11
          politics will also be-- THE NUMBER OF SLAVIC WARS DECREASED AND THE "ASIAN" DEKHKAN-AULSKY HAS BEEN INCREASED - THEY SHOULD BE TEACHED AGAIN AS THE VOLOGDA PEASANTS IN 30-60.
          we’re going through the process of creating an army again, before the war of straw there is a lot to be scattered everywhere. where we will not fall.
          and the officers think in a new way - not as "from Vologda" people
    2. -5
      5 September 2018 08: 22
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      in the absence of ideology, are political instructors needed?

      Oh! belay And what have we already banned all parties including EP? laughing
      1. +5
        5 September 2018 09: 58
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        in the absence of ideology, are political instructors needed?

        Oh! belay And what have we already banned all parties including EP? laughing

        And what does the party have to do with it?
        1. +1
          5 September 2018 10: 21
          Quote: free
          And what does the party have to do with it?

          Because there are no parties without ideologies.

          The EP is bourgeois, the Communist Party is Marxist, the LDPR is liberal-democratic, the CP is social-democratic, the apple is sweet and sour, etc.

          Voting for one or another party, we vote for one or another ideology. In the last Duma elections, we voted for the bourgeois party (United Russia) and it is precisely its ideology that is being implemented today. And it is precisely its ideology that will be implemented by GlavVPUom.

          We choose the Communist Party — we will implement the Marxist ideology, and this is better than if we were deprived of the right to choose one or another ideology.
          1. +4
            5 September 2018 10: 41
            Is logical. One is confusing. When you write about VV Putin, you forget about this conclusion.
            1. -3
              5 September 2018 12: 13
              Quote: There was a mammoth
              One is confusing. When you write about VV Putin, you forget about this conclusion.

              Vladimir Putin is non-partisan. He refused the services of EP back in the 2012 year.
              1. 0
                5 September 2018 12: 17
                Quote: Boris55
                Vladimir Putin is non-partisan. He refused the services of EP back in the 2012 year.

                The publication by the Clinton Foundation of transcripts of telephone conversations between Bill Clinton and Boris Yeltsin, carried out without observing the traditional norms of such publications, is one of the elements of a large-scale campaign of defamation of the current President of the Russian Federation in the eyes of Russian society. The main goal of this campaign, in which the "pro-Western" part of the "power vertical" is also involved, is to remove Putin from power according to the typical scenario of "color revolutions": with massive "peaceful protests of the population", flowing into a "chain reaction" of creeping seizure of power institutions. victim states "with the explicit and covert assistance of his comprador" elites. " In this regard, the "cover operation" on the part of the global media draws attention to the alleged superpatriotism of Oleg Deripaska and a number of other Russian oligarchs, as well as the loss of information sources within the Kremlin by the Western special services, which is clearly not true. Judging by the observed scale of the current "liberal-globalist offensive" against Russia, which covers literally all segments of the information space, the culmination of this operation may be scheduled much earlier than the end of 2019 - the beginning of 2020; which is also evidenced by the outstripping growth in food market prices, including an increase in the price of bread under the pretext of a "low harvest" in 2018, an increase in VAT and other taxes, utility tariffs, as well as "the expansion of Western sanctions on all trade counterparties of Russia", which should significantly increase a wave of "pension protests", experts say
                http://zavtra.ru/blogs/tablР
                That is, you, Borisov, affirm that the last actions of the United Russia are actions taken by order and direction of the IMF and the USA from their Fed and that’s how to substitute Putin?
                1. -4
                  5 September 2018 14: 32
                  Quote: The Swordsman
                  That is, you, Boris, affirm that the last actions of the United Russia are actions taken by order and directive of the IMF and the USA from their Fed and it is done in such a way as to substitute Putin? Is not it?

                  Not only the latter, but all their actions are directed against the interests of Russia and its citizens.


                  Don't you know their cherished dream of getting rid of Putin? Let me tell you a secret - they not only want to "take Putin out of the Kremlin with honor or with a hole in his head," as some US senators have said, but also to break Russia up into small souvenir states. They don't need competitors.
              2. 0
                11 October 2018 08: 48
                .Boris is clever, but you know the money doesn’t smell, yes, Boris?
                1. 0
                  11 October 2018 09: 28
                  Quote: free
                  but you know the money doesn't smell

                  You know, the closer to the earth (to the grave), the lower the price of money, the more expensive the time incl. not everything in this World is measured by colored paper.
                  1. -1
                    11 October 2018 15: 26
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Quote: free
                    but you know the money doesn't smell

                    You know, the closer to the earth (to the grave), the lower the price of money, the more expensive the time incl. not everything in this World is measured by colored paper.

                    True, but here you are following an ambiguous line. Your officials and government are bad, and Putin, who approved Medvedev and the pension reform, is good. Take an unambiguous position, at least then there will be no reproaches.
                    1. -1
                      12 October 2018 08: 15
                      Quote: free
                      Your officials and government are bad, and Putin, who approved Medvedev and the pension reform, is good.

                      As Shtirits said, only a lack of information leads to failure.

                      Presidential power is executive power and Putin is obliged to comply with all laws adopted by the Duma and, moreover, to implement the Constitution, of which he is the guarantor. The President does not have the right not to sign laws adopted by the Duma and approved by the Federation Council - this is his honorable duty.

                      The constitution states that the president appoints the prime minister with the consent of the Duma. In the Duma, the vast majority belongs to the EP party, whose chairman is Medvedev. EP would never have approved another candidate, except as its leader. Not for that, they were eager for parliament, so that the tidbits of the budget would float past their mouths. To imagine that EP would put Mironov on a budget cut is simply not realistic.
                      According to the Constitution, the president approves the government on the proposal of the prime minister. Medvedev is recruiting a team, as it were, for the execution of the May Decrees.

                      On pension reform. Please watch the video from the link from where it starts:
                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=545&v=f2zMAVge0tE
                      1. 0
                        12 October 2018 13: 06
                        Not convincing, completely unconvincing.
                      2. -1
                        12 October 2018 17: 37
                        Quote: free
                        Not convincing, completely unconvincing.

                        If the Constitution is not an argument for you, then tady oh. hi
                      3. 0
                        12 October 2018 21: 04
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Quote: free
                        Not convincing, completely unconvincing.

                        If the Constitution is not an argument for you, then tady oh. hi

                        The constitution is written by the bourgeoisie and protects their interests. Those who blindly follow such a constitution and even make it their honorable duty objectively defend the interests of the bourgeois. If logic is not your authority, then you are oh.
                      4. -1
                        13 October 2018 07: 39
                        Quote: free
                        The constitution is written by the bourgeoisie and protects their interests.

                        The law will never be good for everyone, but lawlessness is even worse.

                        We still live according to the laws based on Roman law written by slave-owners for their protection from slaves - to give their illegal actions the appearance of "legitimacy".
                      5. 0
                        13 October 2018 11: 52
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Quote: free
                        The constitution is written by the bourgeoisie and protects their interests.

                        The law will never be good for everyone, but lawlessness is even worse.

                        We still live according to the laws based on Roman law written by slave-owners for their protection from slaves - to give their illegal actions the appearance of "legitimacy".

                        But does someone say about lawlessness? Does someone say that we need a law that suits everyone? Who says that, he defends bourgeois tales, he carries metaphysical nonsense, thinks abstractly.
                        The majority, the absolute majority in any country in the world and Russia are no exception wage earners, or workers differently. The law should protect the interests of the majority, which are workers. This should be so because everything is created by the hands of workers.
                        For some reason, in your monologue about the law, you completely forget about the Stalinist USSR!? You bother and wriggle like in a pan in an attempt to justify the actions of the guarantor of the power of the bourgeoisie. That is precisely why I say that you write for money.
                      6. -1
                        14 October 2018 07: 37
                        Quote: free
                        That's exactly why I’m talking about what you write for money.

                        Is this an offer? And how much do you want to pay me, what would I write in your interests? (joke) laughing
                        I am against the exploitation of man by man in any form. I am against capitalism, leading us to universal slavery. Putin is the one who does everything possible for the people in the prevailing social order. We ourselves have chosen a Duma that defends the interests of the exploiters, and now you want it to correct our mistakes for us. Will not work. The Duma and Putin are chosen by the people - they have an equal right to speak on behalf of the people. hi
                      7. 0
                        15 October 2018 19: 49
                        Nonsense, bourgeois democracy has nothing to do with real democracy. Therefore, the people choose without choosing in fact. The people are drugged and deceived by charlatans from the authorities. And you are a hired rogue.
            2. 0
              11 October 2018 08: 47
              Quote: Was Mammoth
              Is logical. One is confusing. When you write about VV Putin, you forget about this conclusion.

              They took it straight from the tongue. Boris is smart, but you know the money doesn’t smell, yes Boris?
          2. +10
            5 September 2018 11: 40
            The EP is bourgeois, the Communist Party is Marxist, the LDPR is liberal-democratic, the CP is social-democratic, the apple is sweet and sour, etc.

            It’s ridiculous. United Russia are capitalists like the Communist Party — Marxists, and LDPR — liberals, God forgive me, and democrats. Moreover, the EP never declared that it was a party of the bourgeoisie, as far as I know. The party of Putin, the party of executive power. Party officials, if simpler.

            In Russia, there are no political parties in the Western sense of the term.
            1. +4
              5 September 2018 11: 50
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Funny

              From your exercises ...
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              In Russia, there are no political parties in the Western sense of the term.

              For your information. In Russia, only one party falls under the classical definition of PARTY. And this, if you are not sour, is the Communist Party.
              All the rest, not parties, but a bunch of interests, an insult to the only newly formed class in Russia, the class of the big bourgeoisie, which has clear goals and objectives, all the rest in society is still an amorphous mass that cannot be consolidated by all these fats, sulfur and others ldpr ..
            2. +2
              5 September 2018 12: 07
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Moreover, the EP never declared that it was a bourgeois party,

              If she announced this, then who would vote for her? laughing
              "Judge them according to their works." And their deeds are as follows:
              - increase in gas prices;
              - VAT increase to 20%;
              - raising the retirement age (to be decided);
              - increase of housing and communal services by 2%.
              Who do you think EP has adopted such laws for? laughing
              1. +2
                5 September 2018 13: 00
                Quote: The Swordsman
                For your information. In Russia, only one party falls under the classical definition of PARTY. And this, if you are not sour, is the Communist Party.

                The Communist Party looks more like a party than others. But she's fake too. If you are not convinced by a candidate from the people, then I don’t know what can convince you. With the current composition of the participants, it will not become real. But Lenin and Trotsky are somehow not visible on the horizon. Maybe they’re sitting in Switzerland, not in the know.
                Quote: The Swordsman
                All the rest, not parties, but a bunch of interests,

                A gathering of interests is a forum on the Internet. And "systemic" parties are work, and its people work for money. The money, for the most part, is budget or near-budget. Those. from the official.
                Quote: The Swordsman
                the only mature class in Russia is the class of the big bourgeoisie

                In Russia there is no bourgeoisie, especially the big one. The management of the owners of the means of production is either directly officials (Miller, Sechin, Belozerov, etc.), or nominated nominal owners (many spoke directly about this, Timchenko, Deripaska, Galitsky and others). Crystal case - previously married previously billionaire Mr. Shamalov.
                In Russia, the very concept of private property does not exist. You can use certain assets by sovereign mercy, but so far they have not been taken out of Russian jurisdiction - they are sovereigns, not yours. Relatively recently, this was explained to Mr. Yevtushenkov, now - Mr. Magomedov. This is less publicly explained to thousands of people every day.
                Quote: Boris55
                If she announced this, then who would vote for her?

                Ya
                The Union of Right Forces declared at the time, though he also threw everyone and fled with money to Courchevel.
                Quote: Boris55
                Who do you think EP has adopted such laws for?

                Laws under which the bourgeoisie and the proletariat become less money, and officials (in this case - the Ministry of Finance) more? I don’t even know, it’s very difficult to understand.
            3. 0
              5 September 2018 15: 29
              What about an apple? the party is
              1. +1
                5 September 2018 15: 46
                Quote: Conductor
                an Apple ? the party is

                In this case, it is appropriate to restrict ourselves to a definition from Wikipedia
                A political party is an organized group of people, often with common views, who come together to contest elections and hold power in government

                Is this about Apple?
                Or rather
                Is this about Russia?
          3. +4
            5 September 2018 13: 38
            Quote: Boris55
            the Communist Party-the Marxist

            Well, yes, yes ...
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            2. -1
              7 September 2018 16: 48
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Quote: Boris55
              the Communist Party-the Marxist

              Well, yes, yes ...

              Namely DA.It is the Communist Party. And repeating the dogmas of the Trotskyists and Khrushchevites, which in principle is the same thing and pedaling the theme of religion, stupidity proved by the consequences of the Khrushchev pogrom of the church and 90 years.
              With all due respect to you, in this case you are extremely wrong.
              1. 0
                7 September 2018 18: 13
                Quote: The Swordsman
                Namely DA.It is the Communist Party. And repeating the dogmas of the Trotskyists and Khrushchevites, which in principle is the same thing and pedaling the theme of religion, stupidity proved by the consequences of the Khrushchev pogrom of the church and 90 years.

                Dogmas of the Trotskyists, say ...
                Relation to the party of the socialist proletariat, religion is not a private matter. Our Party is an alliance of conscious, advanced fighters for the liberation of the working class. Such a union cannot and should not be indifferent to unconsciousness, darkness or obscurantism in the form of religious beliefs. We demand the complete separation of the church from the state in order to fight the religious fog with purely ideological and only ideological weapons, our press, our word.

                This, by the way, is one of the program documents of the Communist Party, written by the hand of its founder and chief theoretician.
                Religion, indeed, is a private affair of everyone. So bequeathed the great Lenin.
                But the problem is that grandfather Zu is not a private person, but the head of the party, one of the goals of which is fight against religious fog.
                1. -1
                  7 September 2018 18: 32
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Dogmas of the Trotskyists, say ...
                  Relation to the party of the socialist proletariat, religion is not a private matter. Our Party is an alliance of conscious, advanced fighters for the liberation of the working class. Such a union cannot and should not be indifferent to unconsciousness, darkness or obscurantism in the form of religious beliefs. We demand the complete separation of the church from the state in order to fight the religious fog with purely ideological and only ideological weapons, our press, our word.

                  This quote refers to what time? Will you erect quotes from dogmas from 17-30 for dogma? Once Stalin said, without the development of THEORY, we were dead. Rights turned out to be, after him the dogmas and Trotskyites-Khrushchevites all perverted. One fact is enough- Khrushchev’s removal of their saints, the Lavra, soon flew away from all posts, including because of this mockery.
                  You seem to be a competent person, so why pour quotes, without indicating the time and place, what it was said and when, in what conditions ..
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Religion, indeed, is a private affair of everyone. So bequeathed the great Lenin.
                  But the problem is that grandfather Zu is not a private person, but the head of the party,

                  The problem is that you are contradicting yourself. You are referring to Lenin without understanding the essence of what he said. Along the way, throw all kinds of fabrications on Zyuganov’s head. And this is completely indecent ... re-singing fables as right-wingers and frank leftists ...
                  "In such a situation," said GA Zyuganov, "it is necessary to forget old grievances and work together to save Russia. This is what the Church did in the war years, when after the meeting of the highest Orthodox hierarchs with IV Stalin, she together with the people , the party and the state contributed to the victory over the enemy. "

                  The Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party noted that the real reconciliation of the Communist Party and the Russian Orthodox Church occurred during the Great Patriotic War and was consolidated by our common great Victory in May 1945.

                  The Communist leader stressed that today the Church and the Communist Party are trying to knock their heads together, but this does not benefit anyone. "
                  https://kprf.ru/rus_soc/84674.html
                  Times are changing, and what was understandable at the beginning of the 20th century and true in those conditions cannot be accepted now, for once having gone the way of stubborn dogmatists, fell into the abyss of repetition?
                  1. 0
                    8 September 2018 04: 07
                    The flexibility of the political ridge is, of course, good. But the question is - what then remains in the current communists except the name of the communist?
                    Indeed, for past communists the question of religion was a special case of the general question of the position of the exploited classes.
                    Religion is one of the types of spiritual oppression that lies everywhere and everywhere on the masses, crushed by eternal work on others, want and loneliness. The powerlessness of the exploited classes in the struggle against the exploiters also inevitably gives rise to faith in a better afterlife, as the powerlessness of the savage in the struggle against nature gives rise to faith in gods, devils, miracles, etc. For those who work and need all their lives, religion teaches humility and patience in earthly life, comforting with hope for a heavenly reward. And those who live in other people's labor, religion teaches charity in earthly life, offering them a very cheap excuse for their entire exploitative existence and selling tickets for heavenly prosperity at a reasonable price. Religion is the opium of the people. Religion is a kind of spiritual sivuhi, in which the slaves of capital drown their human image, their demands on a life worthy of a person.

                    So this is not a dogma. but one of the main provisions. Pull it out - and it will be possible to safely rename the current "commies" to social decs. For even on socialist revolutionaries, they no longer pull.
                    Quote: The Swordsman
                    In a similar situation, - G.A. said Zyuganov - it is necessary to forget the old grievances and work together to save Russia.

                    Yeah ... and tomorrow, Grandpa Sue will make the same speech about reconciliation with the oligarchs and working together with them to save Russia. And those who are against an alliance with the oligarchs will be announced by dogmatists and Trotskyists.
                    1. -1
                      8 September 2018 06: 09
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      and tomorrow grandfather Zu will make the same speech about reconciliation with the oligarchs and working together with them to save Russia

                      Why offer your speculation as a reality?
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      And those who are against an alliance with the oligarchs will be announced by dogmatists and Trotskyists.

                      And who are some Bundists who are trying to portray themselves as the most faithful?
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      So this is not a dogma. but one of the main provisions. Pull it out - and it will be possible to safely rename the current "commies" to social decs

                      Another kookyon. For example, the Communist Party of Laos does not interfere with the religiosity of individual party members, as in other similar countries. Theory and history do not stand still. And your calculations, this is Khrushchevism in its purest form.
                    2. 0
                      8 September 2018 12: 48
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      tomorrow, grandfather Zu will make the same speech about reconciliation with the oligarchs and working together with them to save Russia.

                      It seems that when in 2003 they dispossessed the MBH, they sewed, including financing of the Communist Party, no?
          4. +3
            5 September 2018 22: 57
            Where do you, dear, saw the Marxists in the Communist Party? You won't find them there with a lantern (as in all systemic "communist" parties of the former USSR).
            1. -1
              7 September 2018 16: 48
              Quote: Narak-zempo
              saw the Marxists

              And where didn’t you see them? Or is it about your Marxists who follow only dogma?
      2. +1
        5 September 2018 11: 17
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        in the absence of ideology, are political instructors needed?

        Oh! belay And what have we already banned all parties including EP? laughing

        and for what political instructor WILL BE "GRINDING"? (rhetorically) he himself, whose will it be?
        1. 0
          5 September 2018 22: 58
          Logically, it is necessary from every Duma party for a political instructor. Well, or at least from the first three - EP, the Communist Party and the Liberal Democratic Party.
    3. 0
      5 September 2018 09: 02
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      mmmda ... in the absence of ideology, are political instructors needed? what

      Needed. And not so much for working with the personnel as for the "watchful eye" behind the officers who forget that the soldier is not serving him, his beloved, but the Motherland.
      For officers who, without bothering with the service, shift their work with the personnel to conscripts with a tinned throat and good muscles.
      1. +3
        5 September 2018 11: 03
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        mmmda ... in the absence of ideology, are political instructors needed? what

        Needed. And not so much for working with the personnel as for the "watchful eye" behind the officers who forget that the soldier is not serving him, his beloved, but the Motherland.
        For officers who, without bothering with the service, shift their work with the personnel to conscripts with a tinned throat and good muscles.

        Again, fairy tales about the general's dachas? Your training manual is outdated ... Now a conscript soldier, through the efforts of the prosecutor's office, acquired the status of a sacred cow, this is from personal experience, and not from Echo of Moscow.
        1. +1
          5 September 2018 11: 54
          Quote: Serge Gorely
          Now the conscript soldier through the efforts of the prosecutor’s office acquired the status of a sacred cow, this is from personal experience, and not from the Echo of Moscow.

          Seriously? How long has such a beauty?
        2. -1
          5 September 2018 19: 24
          Quote: Serge Gorely

          Again, fairy tales about the general's dachas? Your training manual is outdated ... Now a conscript soldier, through the efforts of the prosecutor's office, acquired the status of a sacred cow, this is from personal experience, and not from Echo of Moscow.

          So the Dark One thinks the same way - since people in Moscow (in general) live well, then they live in the same way in mother Russia. There are two such individuals in Russia, You and the Darkest.
      2. +2
        5 September 2018 13: 41
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        And not so much for working with the personnel as for the "watchful eye" behind the officers who forget that the soldier is not serving him, his beloved, but the Motherland.
        For officers who, without bothering with the service, shift their work with the personnel to conscripts with a tinned throat and good muscles.

        That is, the political instructor will replace the Military Prosecutor’s Office?
        1. -1
          5 September 2018 19: 18
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          And not so much for working with the personnel as for the "watchful eye" behind the officers who forget that the soldier is not serving him, his beloved, but the Motherland.
          For officers who, without bothering with the service, shift their work with the personnel to conscripts with a tinned throat and good muscles.

          That is, the political instructor will replace the Military Prosecutor’s Office?

          Are there representatives of the military prosecutor's office in every battalion?
    4. +13
      5 September 2018 09: 57
      Well, and what ideology will future political officers inculcate? Die for a moneybags, fulfill a civic duty?
      1. +3
        5 September 2018 11: 58
        Quote: free
        Well, and what ideology will future political officers inculcate? Die for a moneybags, fulfill a civic duty?

        It seems to be a completely different matter.
        The leadership of Russia / USSR has long and successfully kept the army away from politics. A man with clear political views (at least three times of statism) and a tank division in submission is completely unnecessary. So the function of GlavPUR is that God forbid that a politician in the army does not start.
        1. AUL
          +2
          5 September 2018 15: 37
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          So the function of GlavPUR is that God forbid that a politician in the army does not start.

          Well, do you yourself even understand what you wrote? belay The function of the army Glavpolitupravlenie is to prevent "politics from getting started" in the army? Wonderful are your works, Lord!
          1. +2
            5 September 2018 16: 01
            Quote from AUL
            GlavPOLITUpravlenie is that in the army "politics does not start"? Wonderful are your works, Lord!

            Quote from AUL
            The main task of the postwar commissars was to look after the personnel for reliability in the current government and, in which case, timely tapping up

            So you, in principle, agree with me.

            I recall, just in case, the military with an active civilian stance.
            Major General Dudaev
            Lieutenant General Swan
            Colonel General Makashov
            Marshal Akhromeev ("and who joined them")
            Marshal Yazov
    5. 0
      5 September 2018 10: 02
      Patriotism, love of the motherland - is this not an ideology? Like liberal patriotism. Navalny - he, too, belongs to the patriots. Someone must clarify the difference.
    6. +1
      5 September 2018 10: 14
      An army without ideology is a mercenary. With all the ensuing consequences. Combat stability is low. We formally have no ideology under the Constitution. But in reality, it functions, although not very efficiently. State interests are already an ideology.
    7. +6
      5 September 2018 10: 18
      The main principle of a successful political officer is any success in the part "I organized it!" any flight, "Vanya platoon commander overlooked, and I warned you a hundred times!" In general, he closed his mouth, the workplace was cleaned.
    8. +6
      5 September 2018 10: 53
      Their role in our privatized state is unclear. Apparently they will "hesitate" along with the line of "United Russia", talking about "the most aircraft aircraft" and "the most tank tanks", "capable of operating at absolute zero temperature" as it was before, in the 1980s. In the USA, everything is clear, there "warriors defend democracy", that is their slogan. We have warriors defending what? Well, for now, it seems like us from the terrorists who are there, on the distant approaches. Then the political instructors will come up with what exactly. But since the people of power do not care, it is definitely not the people.
    9. AUL
      0
      5 September 2018 15: 23
      The main tasks should be the formation of an ideologically convinced, strong-spirited personality of a serviceman, close-knit military collectives capable of completing tasks for mission in any situation, the formation of a patriotic consciousness of military personnel, civilian personnel of the armed forces, as well as military-patriotic work with all citizens of Russia before total with youth
      The main task of the post-war commissars was to look after the personnel for reliability in the current government and, in which case, timely tapping upstairs. And now, under any name, the essence will not change!
  2. +10
    5 September 2018 06: 26
    Who made the first photo? The Komsomol badge was worn at the heart, on the left!
    1. +1
      5 September 2018 06: 39
      laughing This is a construction battalion ... There, at the heart of the demobilization, the medal "mother-heroine" was worn. The beautiful medal was smile
    2. +2
      5 September 2018 07: 52
      ,, and not the Komsomol card ,,,
  3. +7
    5 September 2018 06: 47
    But what about the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... will this institute be introduced there or not? .. I remember that there was a military-political school of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the era of the USSR ... or employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are not carriers of the traditional spiritual and moral values ​​of Russian society - statehood, spirituality and patriotism?
    1. -1
      5 September 2018 10: 21
      Quote: parusnik
      But what about the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... will this institute be introduced there or not? .. I remember that there was a military-political school of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the era of the USSR ... or employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are not carriers of the traditional spiritual and moral values ​​of Russian society - statehood, spirituality and patriotism?

      Somehow I didn’t like the whole life of VV .... And now I look with envy - they kept their uniform, similar to the Soviet one, and my beloved army goes toli in the form of American policemen, toli of railway workers ... Ugh.
      1. +1
        5 September 2018 11: 23
        Quote: Serge Gorely
        Somehow I didn’t like the whole life of VV .... And now I look with envy - they kept the form, similar to the Soviet one,

        Rosgvardia? to the Soviet? true ?
    2. +2
      5 September 2018 11: 22
      Quote: parusnik
      But what about the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... will this institute be introduced there or not?

      why Alex? there and so feed the rules.
      1. +4
        5 September 2018 18: 16
        Well, how can it be ... the Ministry of Internal Affairs should be spiritually-moral, patriotic, first think about the Motherland, and then about itself ..., for example, Zakharenkov thought about himself .. There wasn’t enough political education, but if he was brought up, they held political classes. .. laughing ..What happened to him, the evil influence of the street ... laughing
  4. +3
    5 September 2018 07: 02
    "The main tasks should be the formation of an ideologically convinced, strong-minded personality of a serviceman, close-knit military teams, .......

    Well, well .... Blessed is he who believes .... Following the logic of the MLF, without a basis there is no add-on. There will not be (and it will not be) a state ideology that provides citizens of Russia with a decent life, even if you create twenty glavpurov, not feed the horse !!!
  5. +1
    5 September 2018 07: 21
    It can be assumed that the introduction of compulsory classes with rank-and-file personnel on military-political training is planned. I would like to understand how much time (hour per week, two, three?) Is planned to be organized. Obviously, this can be done only by reducing the time spent on classes in other subjects. By what?
    1. +2
      5 September 2018 11: 25
      Quote: vlad007
      +1
      It can be assumed that the introduction of compulsory classes with rank and file on military-political training is planned.

      that is, what's on TV? the first channel will be obliged to watch. (enemy at the gates)
    2. 0
      5 September 2018 20: 53
      It is planned to introduce compulsory classes with rank and file on military-political training. I would like to understand how much time (hour per week, two, three?) Is planned to be organized.

      now 2 hours of weekly classes on public-state training. She is the heiress of military-political work. It will probably be the same.
  6. +7
    5 September 2018 07: 22
    The construction of the Main Temple of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is the fourth stage. Yes
    1. +8
      5 September 2018 09: 03
      Quote: curvimeter
      The construction of the Main Temple of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is the fourth stage.

      Not the fourth, but the first stage. Already engaged closely:
      "According to Andrey Kartapolov, the solemn consecration of the foundation stone at the base of the temple is planned to be held in September this year.
      The Deputy Minister of Defense said that the temple will have five thrones ... "and then in great detail about all the intricacies of construction.
      This is today's news on the website of the Ministry of Defense https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12194144@egNews
      By the way, they will be building "on people's" donations. And why, it is not difficult to collect donations from servicemen.
      Then they will gather at the mosque, at the Buddhist datsan, at the synagogue ... And then we will be perplexed why the warriors among us find out whose god is more correct ...
      1. +2
        5 September 2018 11: 26
        Quote: Svateev
        By the way, they will be building "on people's" donations.

        and cho, we are pensioners, apparently and "donate" ...
  7. +2
    5 September 2018 07: 42
    In the section "Armament" - did you not hesitate to place this article? Soon here, apparently, we will read about the unforgettable pension reform.
  8. +12
    5 September 2018 07: 48
    Obviously, the generals have children and grandchildren, there are too many, it has already become ..... the standard "sinecure" places in the army are no longer enough for them .... so we have created for them ..... "political-nothing-control". .. winked
  9. +7
    5 September 2018 07: 55
    I don’t know WHO "IT" needs ??? And most importantly - WHY ??? Honestly - NOT ONE "sane"" political officer "in the Army to see how it was not possible .... Or" informer "or a complete" kick-stump "... Maybe it's just me SO"lucky"???? request
    1. +2
      5 September 2018 08: 50
      Quote: venik
      Maybe it's just me SO "lucky" ????

      Yes, apparently you were so "lucky", as is well known - not everyone in life is lucky.
      Quote: venik
      Honestly - NOT ONE "sane" "political officer" in the Army was not able to see something like that .... Or a "snitch" or a complete "stump-stump".

      Why talk such nonsense? That's how it was in the Soviet Air Force
      The positions of the political officers of the squadrons, regiment, divisions (chief of the political department) were only flight, that is, pilots (navigator) with a good level of training, as a rule not lower than the commander (navigator) of a unit, were assigned to these posts without fail, I mean the initial position - the political commissar of AE, and not just good pilots, but also as they said in those blessed times ..... with high moral qualities (not inclined to drunkenness, brawls) These were people from their own flying environment, often your former friends, classmates, followers and leaders. Those jokes that were circulated about them (behind them) had reasons, because people were distracted from flight training, and their overall flight level, as a rule, decreased. Further, the AE political officer entered the Lenin Political Academy, and after after graduation, he was sent to the regiment to the regiment's political officer. The jokes were strengthened (behind), but they were their own pilots, but less prone to debauchery, but also less prepared due to their workload, not related to flight work.
      1. +2
        5 September 2018 09: 05
        Air Force is a wonderland !!! Everything there was not like people crawling and swimming! And with us - mere mortals, this sometimes served, (God forgive me), remember not by night ...
      2. +2
        5 September 2018 09: 39
        Quote: bober1982
        Why talk such nonsense? That's how it was in the Soviet Air Force

        =============
        About the Air Force - I can not say anything !!! (Although Dad was a military pilot in 1942, there was no talk about this subject .....).
        But here in RTV - Oo-oo-oo-oo !!! I've seen 4 "zampolov" (2 - on the "urgent" ("jacket" - and 2 - at the training camp) .... I CANNOT say ANYTHING GOOD !!! "0" "!!! This is already a" negative value "!!! -commander ") and then everything that the young guys" foolishly "blurt out to them was immediately thrown out (from the other end of the" pipe ") in two directions at once - to the political department and to the unit commander ..... Well, they did not disdain yet" recruiting "personal informants (from among the fighters) ...
        In short, in the troops (in our country, at least) - they were ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and UNNECESSARY people .... No wonder that the saying went: "The best service is with the political officer! For him, the order" Remove the workplace "means shut your mouth".
        1. +2
          5 September 2018 12: 50
          Quote: venik
          Well, they still did not disdain to "recruit" personal informants (from among the soldiers) .....

          Kindergarten of some kind, it was part of the functions of the chief of staff of the squadron (in the Air Force), who "commanded" the squadron fighters, it is not a lordly thing to do such a thankless but necessary job as a political officer (recruiting informants).
          1. +2
            5 September 2018 13: 46
            Quote: bober1982
            Some kindergarten

            ======
            Dear namesake !!! (Vladimir!) ....
            You have "flyers" and "marimans" have their own traditions, and, if you like, YOUR code of OFFICER Honor .... Unfortunately, we have ("land rats") .... It was THAT WAS ... I don't fantasize! I say - THAT WAS !!!
            And AT ALL I am not going to "hang labels" AT ALL .... Probably, yes that there "probably" - and there were DEEPLY ORDER Officers (political officers), especially during the Second World War !!! THEM COULD NOT BE !!! One problem - I happened to serve in the early 80s ... And the situation here has changed a lot (Alas - not for the better !!!) ...
            I am grateful to YOU ​​for YOUR OPINION - So NOT everything was so bad !!! soldier
            1. +2
              5 September 2018 13: 54
              Dear namesake Vladimir! You only all the best and best!
            2. +2
              5 September 2018 14: 27
              Quote: venik
              So NOT everything was so bad !!!

              Everything was rotten, by the time of the collapse of the Union, because the Army was so helpless and weak-willed, and the blame here, including on political agencies, they were completely rotten - meaningless meetings, verbiage, rubbing pants and empty agitation with terry careerism, here this was party political work.
              What, for example, was a regimental political department, besides the political leaders of the AE and the regimental political officer.
              Regimental Komsomolets, released, rank - captain
              Party Regimental Secretary, Released, Rank - Lieutenant Colonel
              Advocate of the regiment, freed, rank - Major
              The head of the club is a major (even if there was no club, anyway, a major)
              Instructors and agitators, freed, warrant officers
              Female soldiers (typists and clerks)
              Who these people were and where they came from and what they were doing was not entirely clear, and no one was particularly interested (except for the girls)
              All this caused dissatisfaction (in the soul), it was injustice, and therefore everything "fell down" so quickly.
      3. +1
        5 September 2018 09: 44
        bober1982

        Now the same thing, deputy regiment commander for BP is a flight post in the regiment (you can only without an academy) ..
        And many here say that there will be a bloating of states ... There will not be, just everyone according to BP, they will rename it differently and that's all.
      4. -1
        6 September 2018 00: 06
        [quote = bober1982] [quote = venik] Maybe it's just me SO "lucky" ???? [/ quote]
        Yes, apparently you were so "lucky", as is well known - not everyone in life is lucky.
        [quote = venik] Honestly - NOT ONE "sane" "political officer" in the Army was able to see something like that .... Or "snitch" or a complete "kick-stump". [/ quote]
        Why talk such nonsense? That's how it was in the Soviet Air Force
        The positions of the political officers of the squadrons, regiment, divisions (chief of the political department) were only flight, that is, pilots (navigator) with a good level of training, as a rule not lower than the commander (navigator) of a unit, were assigned to these posts without fail, I mean the initial position - the political commissar of AE, and not just good pilots, but also as they said in those blessed times ..... with high moral qualities (not inclined to drunkenness, brawls) These were people from their own flying environment, often your former friends, classmates, followers and leaders. Those jokes that were circulated about them (behind them) had reasons, because people were distracted from flight training, and their overall flight level, as a rule, decreased. Further, the AE political officer entered the Lenin Political Academy, and after after graduation, he was sent to the regiment for the regiment’s political officer. The jokes intensified (behind the back), but they were their own pilots, but less prone to debauchery, but also less prepared due to their workload, not related to flight work.
        Exactly! A good flying political officer, due to his aggressive professionalism (it was in the late 80s in Poland), ejected from a serviceable fighter (apparently from the insane courage inherent in all political politicians), as a result the plane flew all over Europe, blasted into a residential building, killed a man ... Since then, the "professional" balabolas from the political officer regiment and above were FORBIDDEN to fly. This is understandable. Tryndet is not to roll bags.
        1. +2
          6 September 2018 02: 16
          I open an article on Wikipedia. About the MiG-23. And in this article read the section "Accidents and Disasters".
          "September 16, 1970, while testing the plane, a test pilot died
          On September 26, 1971, during an emergency landing, the test pilot failed to get out of the cockpit and burned out on the plane.
          June 8, 1972, the crash of the MiG-23UB. Test pilots died.
          October 30, 1976, the crash of the MiG-23M, the test pilot died.
          On June 3, 1977, the MiG-23UB plane crashed near the city of Yegoryevsk, Moscow Region. Test pilots died.
          September 21, 1977, the crash of the MiG-23B in Algeria, the test pilot died.
          March 23, 1983, the crash of the MiG-23UB aircraft, Akhtubinsk airfield, the test pilots were killed. "
          This is a selection of test pilot categories only.
          So maybe it was more logical to ban the flights of test pilots on this plane?

          And what to do with the Americans (information from the same article - from Wikipedia):
          "On October 21, 1982, during a training battle with the F-5E, a MiG-23BN (tail number" 023 ", US Air Force serial number" 002 ") crashed due to an engine fire, pilot Mark Postay (" bandit 25 ") was killed.
          On April 26, 1984, Lieutenant General Robert Bond, Deputy Commander of AFSC (Air Force System Command), Lieutenant General Robert Bond, crashed on a MiG-23 due to loss of control at high supersonic speed?
          You wrote nonsense. Utter nonsense.
    2. +4
      5 September 2018 11: 31
      Quote: venik
      I don’t know WHO "IT" needs ??? And most importantly - WHY ??? Honestly - NOT ONE "sane"" political officer "in the Army to see how it was not possible .... Or" informer "or a complete" kick-stump "... Maybe it's just me SO"lucky"???? request

      not ... the same garbage ... we had a major (political officer) Amanita nickname (he is small and his cap is huge, that’s stuck). when he starts to speak the same thing before the formation, and behind the guy stood in the ranks, himself from Serov, imitated the major clearly, well, and in an undertone he said in advance, what the major would say ... the whole company was nearly described, barely restrained from neighing .. . Cool guy was sorry sorry.
  10. rum
    -9
    5 September 2018 08: 04
    Oh, how many * Lovers of their homeland * are on this site !!! It’s immediately obvious either Ukrainians are pan-headed or wanting to live as Ukraine writes ... And so .... time has gone .... put the cons * pseudo-Russians * .....
    1. +8
      5 September 2018 08: 51
      Quote: Rum
      Oh, how many * Lovers of their homeland * are on this site !!! It’s immediately obvious either Ukrainians are pan-headed or wanting to live as Ukraine writes ... And so .... time has gone .... put the cons * pseudo-Russians * .....

      ==========
      WHY is Ukraine here ??? What is the "pan-head" ??? And "lovers of the Motherland" ??? The fact that the Army has always disliked "political politicians" ?? So this is a FACT !!!
      Are you running into the "cons"? Do you want to be "unfortunate", "innocent victims"? So "Indian national hut (" fig-you "is called) you" !!!
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        1. +9
          5 September 2018 09: 51
          Quote: Rum
          I see, son ...

          =============
          Well, how old are you, my friend, if you call me "son" ??? And it didn’t forget how to be rude after living to such an old age ???
          I will not complain or "minus" you. Too much honor for this jerks......
          You are just for me - DO NOT EXIST!!!
      2. +7
        5 September 2018 14: 06
        Arguing with a fool is like playing chess with a dove. He will throw the pieces, put on the board and fly away to tell everyone how he paid you. ©
        1. +1
          5 September 2018 20: 12
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Arguing with a fool is like playing chess with a dove. He will throw the pieces, put on the board and fly away to tell everyone how he paid you. ©

          ===========
          good laughing drinks
  11. +2
    5 September 2018 09: 57
    Once again, the question will become relevant - Where to study as a political officer?
    1. +7
      5 September 2018 10: 33
      In the Lviv military-political. wink
      1. +5
        5 September 2018 12: 35
        Quote: Was Mammoth
        In the Lviv military-political. wink

        wassat ozCash!
      2. +3
        5 September 2018 14: 07
        Or in the Kiev Higher Naval Political. wink
      3. +2
        6 September 2018 16: 52
        Quote: Was Mammoth
        In the Lviv military-political. wink

        The first and last pop, with whom they drank cognac, was a graduate of Lvovsky, by the way laughing True, he said, the party ordered. And he wore a vest under the "uniform" laughing
  12. -7
    5 September 2018 10: 32
    As experienced people say, there are no atheists in the war. Therefore, understanding from a spiritual point of view of why you should die a warrior is simply necessary.
    1. +5
      5 September 2018 14: 30
      Quote: Nikolai R
      As experienced people say, there are no atheists in the war.

      ========
      Nikolay! "Experienced" people deceive you !!! Azm you are an "atheist", or rather an "agnostic" (because an "atheist" - the one who struggles with religion! ... And "Agnostic" - the one who simply DOESN'T BELIEVE !!! I personally do not believe! had to visit ...
      Well, about the BELIEVERS - there is a saying: "Blessed is he who believes - warmth to him in the world" !!! If a MAN is so EASIER to perceive hardships, then why should he interfere with it ???? This - at least - mean! AND THE OFFICER - this - UNDEREIGNED! soldier
      1. -4
        5 September 2018 14: 54
        I feel sorry for you.
        1. +5
          5 September 2018 20: 19
          Quote: Nikolai R
          I feel sorry for you.

          ===============
          Thanks of course .... (for pity) .... Only to me it is ABSOLUTELY NOT NEEDED !!! You believe in God, and I - IN PEOPLE !!! And believe me, THIS IS IT WORTH!!!! I know so many WONDERFUL PEOPLE (unfortunately, many are already gone! Well, nothing - NEW appears !!!!)
  13. 0
    5 September 2018 11: 22
    I remain in my opinion, all political leaders, political leaders, agitators and other propagandists .. distists are unnecessary and harmful garbage. In the trash.
  14. +2
    5 September 2018 14: 08
    I think so. if the state does not "throw" its soldiers with or without reason, will take care of them in difficult situations and pay well for their work, no agitators will be needed, the soldiers will tear any threat to the country into rags without them. and traitors among them will be minuscule, at the level of statistical error.
    but it’s expensive, the politicians will come out cheaper, and there will be much more room for relatives :-)
    1. +1
      5 September 2018 20: 20
      Quote: ruslan
      I think so. if the state does not "throw" its soldiers with or without reason, will take care of them in difficult situations and pay well for their work, no agitators will be needed, the soldiers will tear any threat to the country into rags without them.

      =============
      good drinks
  15. +2
    5 September 2018 16: 45
    Second phase. Until December 1, 2018, a structure of political bodies is created at all levels of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation up to regiments.

    Emphasize this nuance. “Up to the regiments” is top down. That is, regimental political workers - this will be (so far) the lowest level. We will see further.
    And in what way will they conduct the patriotic education of a soldier, sitting at the level of a regiment’s castle and above?
  16. -2
    5 September 2018 18: 25
    A direct sign of the beginning insanity, begin to fall into childhood in which there were political leaders ...
  17. -1
    5 September 2018 22: 20
    As many people remember, those political demons and did not feel love for them, but. In any army at all times they understood the importance of the morale of a soldier. Chaplains, priests, political officers (without the CPSU) are needed! Only they must be in the same ranks, under the same commander, without their personnel bodies.
  18. +1
    6 September 2018 01: 06
    It is strange why they plan to create a structure of political officers up to regiments, and not up to individual battalions. I do not see the logic in this decision.
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  19. +3
    6 September 2018 14: 57
    The ruling class of the bourgeois decided to educate the army so that it would defend the bourgeois ... at the expense of the workers class ... beautifully ...
    1. +2
      6 September 2018 16: 57
      Quote: TAMBU
      The ruling class of the bourgeois decided to educate the army so that it would defend the bourgeois ... at the expense of the workers class ... beautifully ...

      Yeah, and the name was specially returned to the former, like the music of the Anthem of the USSR, so that the difference would not be evident laughing
  20. +2
    6 September 2018 16: 43
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: free
    And what does the party have to do with it?

    Because there are no parties without ideologies.

    The EP is bourgeois, the Communist Party is Marxist, the LDPR is liberal-democratic, the CP is social-democratic, the apple is sweet and sour, etc.

    Voting for one or another party, we vote for one or another ideology. In the last Duma elections, we voted for the bourgeois party (United Russia) and it is precisely its ideology that is being implemented today. And it is precisely its ideology that will be implemented by GlavVPUom.

    We choose the Communist Party — we will implement the Marxist ideology, and this is better than if we were deprived of the right to choose one or another ideology.

    There are only 2 ideologies - bourgeois and socialist. (VI Lenin, if anything). So your list of ideologies - sorry, stupid gag. And don't be ridiculous to carry out "Marxist ideology" after the elections! Prokhorov once said on TV that if it occurs to anyone to cancel the results of privatization, the country will be washed in blood - he said this for all of his own people and nothing happened to him for it, mind you. Deprivatization is a civil war. And socialism and private property are incompatible by definition. So the real elections in our country do not solve anything absolutely!
  21. +1
    6 September 2018 17: 00
    In the photo, the Komsomol badge is attached on the wrong side.
  22. -1
    6 September 2018 17: 48
    No! I do not wish
    success in the new field

    And I categorically protest against the creation of the next punitive body in the army!
    This step is directed primarily against officers. I am sure that slowly these punitive fates will take on new powers. And they will dig their sweaty little hands, not only in the fate, but also in the personal lives of the officers. Wait ... soon they will drop by your bed.
    Instead of creating trusted "Cardinal Rosguards" in the army, it would be better to appoint officers - educators of professional psychologists with a military orientation in education.
  23. +1
    6 September 2018 22: 15
    The Ministry of Defense and the newly-made chief of GlavVPU himself do not give answers /
    The other day he gave, said that there is no party influence, that is, all non-party people, there is no state ideology (official) either. The principle "Whoever has more money is the most right of all!" wassat "They" are shy - they don't openly talk about "this." lol But they are going to create something like an academy of army priests, in short, they want to march into the Russian Empire 2.0 by leaps and bounds! It’s not even funny - it’s sad, and moreover, it’s bitter, because if anyone remembers (from history) the borders of the territory of the Russian Empire, and the current ones .... In general, this is similar to the games of newly minted bourgeois in "short pants" in serious statesmen .... It also makes an impression. that "there" is a complete lack of common sense on all issues of government, unless, of course, the idea of ​​enrichment by any means, at the expense of the bulk of the people, is considered common sense .... It's strange, but the lessons of history do not scare them, they live in a parallel dimension, and the world. sad
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    6 September 2018 22: 20
    Quote: kunstkammer
    No! I do not wish
    success in the new field

    And I categorically protest against the creation of the next punitive body in the army!
    This step is directed primarily against officers. I am sure that slowly these punitive fates will take on new powers. And they will dig their sweaty little hands, not only in the fate, but also in the personal lives of the officers. Wait ... soon they will drop by your bed.
    Instead of creating trusted "Cardinal Rosguards" in the army, it would be better to appoint officers - educators of professional psychologists with a military orientation in education.

    If you served, did you often need a military psychologist? sad