We shake the old days! About parade innovations

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The President of Ukraine announced on August 24 an unprecedented in size and power military parade in honor of this very independence. Apparently, I really want to catch up and overtake Moscow in this regard, because the parade in Kiev will be about 250 units of military equipment.



And then the question immediately arises: what will pass? As always, tinted old Soviet times, or the latest "Hunters" Ukroboronproma?

Of course, new products to be! Otherwise, what is the parade? This is so ... Pokatushki. After all, all talking heads, starting from the very top, amicably squeal that August 24 is more important for Ukraine than May 9.

And yes, it is from this day that the official greeting of the servicemen of the Ukrainian armed forces will be “Glory to Ukraine!”

This is an example. Very important, by the way.

But let's go through the "novyny", which managed to dig up on the website of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. There, in general, the video was bungled, which (in theory) should personify complete peremog with a capital letter. In fact - thoughtfulness, for everything is shown in such a way that you think through yourself, looking.

By the way, what I did not like was just the vast majority of Belarusian cars in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Seriously, if you look thoughtfully, there is at least three or four MAZ trucks for one KrAZ vehicle.

But we will talk about MAZs in the APU separately, immediately after the release of this article.

The parade, apparently, will be opened precisely by the MAZ-5430, more precisely, the Varta armored vehicles made on the roofs of the Minsk plant with Javelins on the roofs.



American gifts really just have to be at the forefront. And nothing, that so far only 11 of such machines has been filed, is still ahead, as the Ukrainian military say.

More massive gifts will follow. "Hummers". Which with machine guns and drones, have fun. According to the logic of things, one thing is clearly superfluous. In the rear, a machine gun is not particularly needed, but at the forefront of an UAV.





It is a pity that the Americans did not present any mini-locator. Organically would have looked more and a small cup antenna. Although, perhaps, this is such an incentive: probabahal drone - come on with a machine gun to the front.

By the way, a wonderful miracle: drones Ukrainian production! Suddenly it turned out that they were as good as the British planned for the purchase (do not ask when Britain managed to become a leader in the development of the UAV), and - really strange - cheaper !!!

And, of course, nowhere without the terrible Ukrainian missiles! No, the fact that in the Square by all means try to revive the national rocket science, this is commendable. We here at one time pouted plenty of PTRK "Thunder-2", which is made in the Yuzhnoye design bureau. Yes, the KB are able to work with rocket technology. I'll get better: they knew how. And really made a lot of cool rockets.



But today the reality is that there is a chassis, but there are no rockets yet. Therefore, the missiles will not show, they are still top secret. And at the parade will be held only tractors. Patriobred, say? Well yes. But why are we going to be put in someone else’s monastery, right?

They will show, of course, the self-propelled gun "Bogdan" of the NATO standard, which the Ukrainian media have long been "frightening" DNR and LC. We have already discussed this miracle of the German-French-Korean-Turkish-Polish military industry.



That's just put this miracle not on the tracked chassis for some reason, but on the KrAZ-6322 truck with the formula 6х6. There are guesses why.

The main thing is not to lose such an expensive combat unit! Therefore, the patency is not much needed. There is nothing to climb into such jungle, from which only on tracks can you crawl out. 6x6 - this is also normal in terms of patency, but you can slip away in order not to catch the "response" more quickly. Is it logical

It seems to show and "scimitar". This is which T-84-120.



Why not show it? In Russia, they show “Armaty”, of which there are only 10 pieces? So, it is quite possible and the only "Yatagan" to show. The main thing is not to stall at the start.

Supernova show: BTR-60MK. This is a modernized version of the Soviet BTR-60PB, which miraculously still remained in the APU. The modernization is very significant: the gas engines of GAZ are being replaced by diesel engines, the brakes seem to be improved and the main thing! - Enlarged hatches in accordance with modern requirements. Peremoga, however ...

In general, to recognize that at this parade Ukraine will show something really new, just silly. Everything “new” is well forgotten old, whatever one may say.

Perhaps, if shown, it is possible to recognize the OPSK “Sapsan”. This is if they show. Work seems to be underway, the complex seems to be there, but ...

But for the most part, the power and strength of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is based on the old Soviet systems. And this is a fact that can not be dismissed even with a crowbar.

MLRS "Alder" is "Smerch", "Verba" is "Grad". Yes, the “new” Ukrainian systems are more accurate than the progenitors, but Russia has long tested “Tornado” with different letters, until which “Alder” and “Verba” bloom and blossom.





“Buk”, “Top-1M” C-300 - this is also past. And however much you improve, it is still an air defense system from there, from the 80s of the last century.

It should be noted that the Ukrainians have achieved some success in the development of the ATGM together with the Belarusians. "Corsair", "Stugna-P", "Skiff" - they seem to even go to the troops. But if all these products are so good, then why do the Javelina Ukrainian armed forces?

And on the other hand, really, why do we climb into a strange monastery with its charter? Well, I want Mr. Poroshenko to shake old, but well-painted toys - well, let him shake. We are neither hot nor cold. We laugh that in itself is not bad, looking at the parade.

We need to think about his. And may the APU let them continue to repel the attacks of the Russian troops on land, in the skies and at sea. In general, everywhere, where the aggravated themselves will tell you what the psyche of the Ukrainian military and politicians are about.

If the doze Square virus has penetrated so deeply, it cannot be knocked out by anything. No parade, no boiler.
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  1. +1
    14 August 2018 05: 14
    Painted - just amazing !!!! If they are still painted with flowers on the sides and given in large quantities on each car "Glory to Petunchik! ... they will not be worth the price! By God, I give a tooth!"
    1. 0
      14 August 2018 07: 53
      Yes, God is wretched with them, no matter what the child was amusing, if only he would not cry.
      1. +1
        14 August 2018 07: 58
        We here at one time had plenty of neighing over the Grom-2 OTRK, which is being made at the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau. But today the reality is that there is a chassis, but no missiles yet. Therefore, the missiles will not show, they are still top-secret. And at the parade will be only tractors.

        They will show a mock-up demonstrator of the launcher of the Ukrainian operational-tactical missile "Thunder-2". The engine and transmission of the launch model demonstrator of the Western-made installation.
        But we will talk about MAZs in the Armed Forces separately

  2. +7
    14 August 2018 05: 27
    The Hammers. Which with machine guns and drones, amused. Logically, one thing is clearly superfluous. In the rear, a machine gun is not particularly needed, but on the front line UAV.
    And nothing more! Just imagine, an integral drone that costs a lot of pennies (!) ... and without security, that is, without a machine gun! But what should one do if it’s not only what lies badly steal on Krajina; but also that, on the contrary, is good ...! And therefore, if you want to, although before the parade did not stibilize valuable weapons; have to be protected! recourse
    1. +8
      14 August 2018 06: 00
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Just imagine, an integral drone that costs a lot of pennies (!) ... and without security, that is, without a machine gun!

      remember our parade, with "drones" in trailers, "quadrics", and other disposable tinsel — it's also fun, isn't it?
    2. 0
      14 August 2018 08: 42
      Or maybe a UAV and a machine gun are a whole?
  3. +1
    14 August 2018 05: 48
    Bogdan is such an epic divorce, you can simply grin)))
    1. +7
      14 August 2018 05: 58
      parades, awards, everything somehow began to be leveled, to acquire an operetta picture. You can laugh over the outskirts, but this is just a reflection of our country in another dimension, but the essence is the same, to "blur" the eyes of its population. Whether someone likes it or not, but without the "rose-colored glasses", everything is so.
      1. +2
        14 August 2018 06: 06
        And what’s wrong with that? Will it become easier for you to live if you stop holding parades?) They will close the military all under lock and key, so that they don’t shine. Stop hosting competitions like the World Cup? They will close the KHL, since this is still a social project. We’ll stop going to concerts in cinema and theaters. Turn off all the TV that distracts from everyday life. In short, we’ll heal, but most importantly everyone will be with an unpopular outlook on life)
        1. +1
          14 August 2018 08: 09
          Quote: cariperpaint
          +1
          And what’s wrong with that? Will it become easier for you to live if you stop holding parades?) They will close the military all under lock and key, so that they don’t shine. Stop hosting competitions like the World Cup? They will close the KHL, since this is still a social project. We’ll stop going to concerts in cinema and theaters. Turn off all the TV that distracts from everyday life. In short, we’ll heal, but most importantly everyone will be with an unpopular outlook on life)

          you did not understand. I, that everything has become somehow not real, frivolous, ostentatious ... and where does the KHL s? and theaters? although, if you are talking about the Viktyuk theater, then yes ... you yourself go to watch homo ... closing it would not hurt.
          1. +1
            14 August 2018 09: 46
            I mean that people need all this. And the point is not even the desire of people to distract from something that I do not argue is present. And the fact that we ourselves cannot live without it) and if someone uses this, then this can not be changed.
      2. 0
        14 August 2018 06: 08
        but the essence is the same, to "blur" the eyes of its population. whether someone likes it or not, but without "rose-colored glasses",


        It will resemble the parade of Saakashvili ... such brave guys in a tricked out super-duper technique.

        Afraid as if only Poroshenko, impressed by the power of his armed forces, would not throw them again into the new Illovaysk ... having drunk on the burners.
  4. 0
    14 August 2018 06: 38
    “Buk”, “Top-1M” C-300 - this is also past. And however much you improve, it is still an air defense system from there, from the 80s of the last century.
    Colleagues! No one has pictures from the Skunk air defense system (which is based on Zaporozhets)? laughing
    1. +4
      14 August 2018 07: 32
      Quote: sxfRipper
      SAM Skunk (which is based on Zaporozhets)

      As far as I know, not the Zaporozhets, but the tracked version of the Oka, and the Ukrainians have nothing to do with it.
      There are no photographs, respectively, because no one would perform such nonsense in metal.
      I mean, the tracked "Oka". Because the same "Dzhigit", almost SAM, can be delivered to Zaporozhets, the issue price is about 150 kg
  5. BAI
    0
    14 August 2018 09: 41
    Just put this miracle not on a tracked chassis for some reason, but on a KrAZ-6322 truck with a 6x6 formula

    Vague doubts torment me. Is it not possible, as in Soviet times with the Oka and the Condenser, that the self-propelled chassis will not withstand recoil when fired? 152 mm, of course, not 400, but Kraz is not a chassis based on a heavy tank.
    1. -2
      14 August 2018 12: 01
      Yes, of course it will not stand it! The recoil of this fool be healthy, even armored tracked self-propelled guns can withstand the recoil of such systems to the limit. It's just that these "self-propelled guns" on KrAZ trucks are mock-ups, paper tigers, like the Tsar Cannon, which by its appearance was supposed to instill fear in foreign ambassadors, but in reality it was unable to make a single shot. Only at 404, these "ACS" should tune in the patriotic mood of the pot-headed horses.
      1. +1
        14 August 2018 12: 47
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        Yes, of course not stand it!

        "It all depends" (c)
        Roughly speaking, the length of the recoil plus effective recoil devices plus a sturdy bottom rig with an adequate system of "draining" energy through the outriggers into the surface ...
        That is, at the current level of technological development, and not this can be done.
      2. +2
        14 August 2018 13: 43
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        It's just that these "self-propelled guns" on KrAZ trucks are mock-ups, paper tigers, like the Tsar Cannon,

        If everything was like that, it would be great. In fact, this figovna shoots and for those who will be hit by their shells on the head.
        In the article we drove around the BTR 60 PB, in the modification of the Btr-60 MK .. I would not laugh like that, here is his data
        https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3291618.html
        With photos.
        In general, the machine received a second life, no worse than ordinary BTR70 or 80. And meeting the LDNR fighters, the same will not bring joy, at least the one who is fighting. Understands who is shooting at him ... and this does not cause laughter.
        1. -2
          14 August 2018 14: 05
          Well yes! Even a machine with 4 axles could not withstand the recoil of this system, and the chassis was Bether, that is, sharpened to the maximum load for a wheeled chassis. And here you are treating me with the fact that supposedly Belarusian the chassis will not withstand firing. This is a double humiliation for you: you don’t even know how to do your trucks, and at the same time boast of strangers who also can’t withstand loads.
  6. +4
    14 August 2018 12: 58
    There is such a thing that the author, due to the lack of special knowledge, is unknown - reverse psychology. This is a psychological phenomenon in which upbringing, propaganda, or a tendency toward a certain action causes a reaction - the exact opposite of the intended one. In our case, if we talk twice a week that in the Ukrainian army there can be nothing more serious than a slingshot, then individuals who have retained their stigmatizing activities (at least 20%) will have a strong conviction that in the Ukrainian army everything is fine with weapons, but they hide it from them.
    In fact, the same processes are going on in all fragments of the USSR, the difference is determined only by the resources inherited from the Union and the level of the local elite.
    Therefore, for someone the foe is frightened with a "vmireanalogneesuyu" missile, and for someone - a cannon.
    But the essence is the same - to provide the opportunity for a quiet shearing of sheep.
    So all these humoresques are completely according to Gogol.
    1. -1
      14 August 2018 13: 15
      Quote: Curious
      In fact, the same processes are going on in all fragments of the USSR

      Well, I would not say that. With regard to the military-industrial complex, Ukraine had the best starting conditions in the post-Soviet space .. And now it has the worst result. And you have to give out a replacement rubber for a less convenient and nameplate for a great victory
      1. 0
        14 August 2018 13: 20
        Ukrainian VPK had chances only in close integration with the production of the CIS.
        But the Ukrainians, with their zhovoblokitnosti played too much and came to an almost complete nullification of production.
        1. 0
          14 August 2018 13: 28
          They have no chance. Already.
          In a country where the army has always been kept in a "black body" in order not to create another competitor in a permanent political-oligarchic war, there can be no other way.
          1. 0
            14 August 2018 13: 47
            Ukrainians were not obliged to produce for their army at all - they could supply quite favorably to the Russian Federation or like Israel, strongly focus on exports. Yes, one export of rations to the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation plus work on the African market would make money. Could in cooperation with UN peacekeepers appreciably strengthened. But instead, they chose to stupidly drain stocks until it was all over.
            1. +1
              14 August 2018 14: 09
              Quote: yehat
              Ukrainians were not obliged to produce for their army at all - they could supply

              Therefore, it doesn't work. You need to have an outrageous authority, like the Israelis, or "drain" at dumping prices, like the Chinese. Otherwise, it is impossible to "surrender" what is not being adopted by your own army.
      2. +1
        14 August 2018 14: 05
        "Well, I wouldn't say that." A very compelling argument.
        1. -1
          14 August 2018 14: 07
          Quote: Curious
          "Well, I wouldn't say that." A very compelling argument.

          And the rest is to read, not fate?
          1. +1
            14 August 2018 14: 10
            I read it, of course. But the whole point is in the first sentence.
            1. +2
              14 August 2018 14: 56
              Quote: Curious
              I read it, of course. But the whole point is in the first sentence.

              Just not the same. The whole point is in the second and third. Nobody worse than Ukraine displaced their VP potential.
              And this applies to literally everything, starting with cartridges in warehouses and ending with such an intangible thing as drawings and technologies inherited from the USSR
    2. +1
      14 August 2018 13: 19
      There were minuses. This is predictable, since objectively assessing reality can be no more than 20%. There is no arguing against science.
    3. +1
      14 August 2018 14: 10
      Quote: Curious
      In our case, if we talk twice a week that in the Ukrainian army there can be nothing more serious than a slingshot, then individuals who have retained their stigmatizing activities (at least 20%) will have a strong conviction that in the Ukrainian army everything is fine with weapons, but they hide it from them.

      That is, if the Ukrainian society is told twice a week that in Muscovy, everyone is starving, eating hedgehogs and it comes to cannibalism, does this mean that in fact the majority of Russians are throwing money? But it really is. There are no Ukrainian tourists in the world, as they are too poor. Meeting a tourist from Ukraine is like meeting a tourist from Zimbabwe or Somalia - you will meet a rare millionaire!
      1. +1
        14 August 2018 14: 17
        Kuzya, do not try to comment on things inaccessible to you. I want to sprinkle with saliva - who will forbid you. But do not try to bounce above, we have already discussed this. After all, you have not even mastered the meaning of a rather simple comment. Do not bother to answer, this is not interesting.
        1. 0
          14 August 2018 21: 06
          For example, I have never met Ukrainian tourists abroad. Met Germans, French, British, Danes, Swedes, Russians. But even in Antalya I haven’t met Ukrainians.
          1. +1
            14 August 2018 23: 28
            Have you met abroad the British, Germans, Foans and Danes? !! Can not be!!! Where do they come from? !! .... Strange ....
          2. 0
            14 August 2018 23: 51
            Kuzya, last year in Turkey there were 1 tourists from Ukraine. How you have not met a single one is hard to say. Maybe you personally rested at Erdogan’s cottage, then it’s understandable.
            1. +2
              15 August 2018 00: 39
              Quote: Curious
              last year in Turkey there were 1 250 000 tourists from Ukraine.

              But I'm not surprised by Kuzi's statement! The last time I was in Turkey was in Alania in 2015 ... Imagine, I also practically did not meet Ukrainians there! I do not claim that they were not "wabche", but they did not "shine"! In any case, in "my" hotel they were not noticeable ...
          3. +2
            15 August 2018 00: 50
            Quote: Kot_Kuzya
            I have never met Ukrainian tourists abroad.

            And I believe you! In 2015 I was vacationing in Alania ... I did not notice Ukrainians there ... at least in "my" hotel. I do not claim that they were not there at all, but they were invisible. In 2017 I was in Pattaya ... Ukrainians were also invisible. In my opinion, the Ukrainians (from Odessa) met only during an entertainment trip on a pleasure boat; but there everyone was "Russian-speaking", even Kazakhs ... wink
  7. +2
    14 August 2018 23: 23
    Whatever the author writes, I'll look at the parade of dill. It's still interesting to look at the technique that "they sold or drank everything ..." and "they can't do anything." It was under such slogans that articles on VO flashed several months ago. Now that something has cleared up, the rhetoric has changed. They put pressure on antiquity and single copies. I wang that they will write later that there are few new products, and even more that they are unsuccessful. All this will end with the slogan "all the same, our best." God grant. By the way, the author did not succeed in Predictamus Nastradal. In the presented photos and videos, the "Bogdan" never looks like a "crab", although Roman described in detail all the shortcomings of the future ACS.
  8. 0
    15 August 2018 00: 46
    From that day on, the official greeting of the Armed Forces servicemen will be "Glory to Ukraine!"

    Why pull the rubber there, go straight to the "Sieg Heil"!
    1. 0
      15 August 2018 03: 29
      And this is a tracing paper from the Nazi greeting: "Heil Hitler - Sieg Heil!" translated as "Glory to Hitler - Glory to Victory!" In the same way, Bender's "Ukraine for a mustache!" tracing paper from the Nazi "Deutschland Hubert Alles!" - "Germany above all!".
  9. 0
    15 August 2018 14: 32
    And why didn’t the minuses return to the articles?
  10. 0
    15 August 2018 15: 23
    Not .. well, everything is clear .. And where is "Dung"? Why won't they show it?
  11. +1
    15 August 2018 15: 57
    Vot, too, following the example of non-slaves zapilil ..
  12. 0
    15 August 2018 16: 08
    This is not true for parades .. to drive around the village .. 2 years of operation already .. Of course, I’m far from Ukroboronprom .. But let them surpass me .. I envy them .. They have the same TECHNOLOGIES!
  13. 0
    19 August 2018 20: 11
    Tank "Yatagan" was assembled in one copy ... and will never go into production ... this is a copy for the museum.