Abroad, happily exhale: Su-57 will not!

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Some people in Europe really feel better. And the cause is not the work of the super spies, not some traitors from among the Russians, but army functionaries. It is to them that those who happily broadcast today that they can disperse refer to, Su-57 will not!



In general, I wonder how they look at what we have here. Having investigated a certain amount of foreign media, I stopped at two. Italian Gli Occhi Della Guerra and the Japanese The Diplomat.

Everyone in Europe and Asia was really pleased by the speech of the Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia, Yuri Borisov. Much to the delight of all, Borisov, speaking on 2 on Russian television in July, announced that Russia had no plans for mass production of the Su-57 fighter.

The question arises: why?

There is an answer.

From the point of view of foreigners, Borisov clearly outweighed Su-57.

"The aircraft showed itself very well, including in Syria, where it confirmed its flight-technical and combat capabilities."

"Su-57 is our trump card, which we can always play when planes of previous generations start lagging behind in their capabilities compared to similar planes of leading countries of the world."


Borisov was told about the Su-35, which did not pass unnoticed.

“You know that today the Su-35С is considered one of the best aircraft produced in the world. Consequently, it makes no sense to speed up work on the serial production of fifth-generation aircraft. ”

"Serial production of the Su-57 at this stage does not make sense and will occur only after the older fighters of the fourth generation of the Russian Air Force will lag behind their Western counterparts."


And what conclusions did foreigners make? Basically, the right ones.

One of the reasons why Russia does not seek mass production of aircraft at this stage is undoubtedly related to the already overburdened defense budget of the country.

Despite the fact that the Italians estimate the cost of one Su-57 is approximately $ 40-45 million (which is more than 2,5 times cheaper than the American F-35 Lightning II fighter), the first reason they put a lack of funds in the Russian military budget.

The launch party in 12 fighters, as they say, is not considered.

Another reason why the Su-57 will not go into mass production are numerous technical problems that are not “loudly out loud”, but which exist.

Very logical. Mr. Mauri even talks about specific things. For example, about the engine of the new generation, "Products 30". The engine, if it is ready, is not before the 2020 of the year.

What is joy? And the joy of the gentlemen from NATO lies in the fact that, in spite of everything, they very seriously at one time appreciated the Su-57. And they are very critical of the MiG-29 and Su-27, which, in the opinion of foreigners, were prepared to be replaced by the Su-57.

And according to the Italians, with proper equipment, that is, second-generation engines, the Su-57 will be able to carry both conventional and nuclear weapons.

Especially they are nervous about the possibility of arming an inconspicuous aircraft with X-35UE and Brahmos cruise missiles (as the text says, it is clear that Yakhont or Onyx).

Potential opponents console themselves with the fact that the price for the possibility of suspending such weapons (heavy in both the literal and figurative sense of the word) will be a reduction in stealth, since neither Bramos nor Onyx will fit into the internal compartment of the aircraft and, therefore, should will be transported under the wings of the aircraft, which will definitely reduce the secrecy of the fighter.

In general, the Italians really praise the plane and frankly rejoice that it will not. In general, since there is a rejection of the massive construction of the Su-57 for the videoconferencing system of Russia, why not praise it?

The Japanese went pretty much further.

I will quote "diplomats".

“The latest decision by the Ministry of Defense, however, should not surprise anyone. Despite the low cost of the Su-57 compared to American counterparts (it ranges from 45 to 54 million dollars per plane compared to, for example, 90 million for the F-35), mass production of fighters would become a huge financial burden on the Russian treasury, which in specific historical circumstances is not able to cope with it. "

“Sanctions, whatever the Kremlin’s propaganda might say about them, and the economy, which is too much conditioned by the hydrocarbons market that is constantly fluctuating, had a very negative impact on various defense programs.”


No, well done, nothing to say. Well so laid out. For their readers, they clearly worked, and even Su-57 did not praise.

True, the price was somewhat overstated, well, yes, these are arguments in favor of the poor. That's right, what, to the devil, planes, when it is necessary to build sports facilities, which will wash away the first rain in the Volga and the heels of the Yeltsin-Centers of 1.5-2 billion each?

Not to Su-57 explicitly.

The Japanese went further, at the same time listing all the negative events that have happened in Russia lately. They also noted the abandonment of the draft new mobile intercontinental missile RS-26 "Rubezh", and the cancellation of the development of a new supercarrier with the atomic engine "Storm" (thank God, they canceled it!).

Naturally, we did not pass by the replacement of the PAK DA on the Tu-160, which will be upgraded to the standard M2. True, gentlemen from Japan called Tu-160 “old”, but what can I say ... They have Mitsubishi and Nakajima better than strategists, we will envy.

In fact, gentlemen, who are not quite (or not at all) friends to us, quite clearly see everything that is happening.

The Japanese, among other things, clearly saw that naval shipbuilding in Russia was in the deepest crisis. This is so, I agree, but the reasons are somewhat different than the "economic crisis that has swept Russia."

“Russia and China, albeit on a par with Europe, just now starting to develop the French-German fighter, entered the fifth generation fighter market late, and the second reason why Moscow decided to postpone Su-57 mass production was a small number of orders for this the plane, if not very small. "

Right? Fair. And nothing to add.

Generally, seriously, it would be necessary to make it a rule not to yell at the whole world, as we all defeat the next “wunder wafer”, “unparalleled in the world”, which will soon go to the troops in thousands of copies, and quietly and calmly make these thousands.

As it was done in the Soviet Union, when our opponents drank valokordin glasses instead of whiskey from suddenly fallen information that the Russians had again given them.

And so far we have the opposite. We seem to be on horseback, sort of like “we will win all”, and then (not the first time) there should be such a quiet drain. Say, why do we need Su-57, if there is Su-35С, which is not worse, but cheaper? Why is this “Armata” and “Boomerang” here, when we have not yet turned down all the BMP-1 and T-72B for scrap? Why do we need a PAK FA if Tu-160 are good too?

The question arises: why then shout at the whole world? In addition to a careful chuckle on the basis of or quite too hard laughter, it will not bring.

For power offensively. And for the fools who scream all over the world about Peremogs and whisper about zradah.

To be silent - it is sometimes better. And silently roll out everything new.

Based on:
https://thediplomat.com/2018/07/russia-will-not-mass-produce-5th-generation-stealth-fighter-jet/
http://www.occhidellaguerra.it/perche-la-russia-putin-non-produrra-massa-57/
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  1. +32
    31 July 2018 05: 41
    The military budget was reduced from 70 to 40 billion. Kudrin achieved his goal. What kind of armata and SU-57 are there? Dreaming and that's enough.
    1. +58
      31 July 2018 06: 56
      If you decide to save on retirees, then it’s not up to the military budget. The system must be changed! winked
      1. +5
        31 July 2018 16: 16
        Quote: siberalt
        The system must be changed!

        In the sense? Budget system? A government system? Which system? You’re more specific than pzhalst, and you don’t understand what it’s about for those who are especially stuck in a tank ... 17 people put pluses to you (at the moment) - they mean they understood and there are only 17 of them ... The rest are not.
        1. +3
          31 July 2018 18: 52
          ... it's about plumbing :))
        2. +10
          31 July 2018 22: 34
          And what is not clear here, and I said this, that the current system of government is not suitable for us, and the constitution is all the more so !!! But it should not be that thieves rule the country, right ???
      2. +6
        31 July 2018 17: 06
        Write how to change the system. Strategist sofa.
      3. +8
        31 July 2018 20: 11
        the fish goes dead from the head, so it’s not the system but the head needs to be changed, otherwise it stinks)
      4. 0
        6 September 2018 05: 01
        At first, everyone laughs in unison over the sanctions, then sobbed together over pensions.
      5. +1
        17 September 2018 22: 09
        And on a carriage ride the guarantors of prostitution
    2. +49
      31 July 2018 09: 37
      Quote: oldav
      "Serial production of the Su-57 at this stage does not make sense and will occur only after the older fighters of the fourth generation of the Russian Air Force will lag behind their Western counterparts."

      Strange logic. VPK should be ahead of the curve. You will wait until they overtake you; The meaning of the development of military equipment is to gain an advantage over the enemy. As for money, this is a systemic problem. It is necessary to achieve the growth of the entire economy like China and the USSR in due time, then there is enough money for everything. A weak economy is a weak aria, a weak army is a kapets to the state. Nobody wants to develop our economy, oil pumps are so good, even if Russia ceases to exist. How many times have the first persons of the state and Dima Teddy Bear and Vova PE talked about the industrial development of Russia and the rejection of the raw material model of the economy, without moving a finger to realize their intentions. In general, the growth of industry in Russia will begin - there will be a strong army. In the meantime, the money is in the stabilization fund, the World Cup for football (much more important than some fighters), pension reform, benefits for billionaires, Rotenberg's law, the Church of Satan (eltsotsentr) in Moscow. Serdyukov’s business is booming.
      1. +15
        31 July 2018 12: 11
        Quote: Grenader
        It is necessary to achieve the growth of the entire economy like China and the USSR in due time, then there will be enough money for everything.


        "Two Gods cannot be served." It is difficult to achieve this in a confrontation with the West. China does not allow confrontation. They are always very careful and they manage to barrage on two chairs, and we chose the unequivocal option of aggravation and the economic dispositions are not at all in our favor. Here is Iran fresh example:

        "Iran continues to plunge into a large-scale currency crisis amid the outflow of capital and the rush of buying dollars and euros by the population, which even the most draconian measures by the Iranian Central Bank cannot stop.
        Despite the increase in oil prices, on which more than 80% of the foreign exchange earnings of the Iranian economy depend, the national currency - the rial - accelerates a landslide drop.
        In anticipation of new US sanctions, the first stage of which will enter into force on August 6, and the second - on November 4, the dollar on the black market of Iran has jumped to a historic maximum of 102 thousand riyals, AFP reports citing Iranian currency traders.
        Since April, the dollar in the country soared 1,7 times, and compared to September last year - almost three times on expectations that the deal concluded in 2015, which allowed Iran to resume oil supplies to the European Union and opened up access to $ 100 billion of blocked international reserves will be curtailed by the Donald Trump administration.
        Inflation in the country reached 203%, Johns Hopkins University economist Steve Hanke calculated: according to this indicator, Iran is second only to Venezuela, where the price increase exceeded 14000%, and next year, according to the IMF forecast, it will reach 1%.
        In an attempt to stop the currency boom, the Iranian Central Bank in April banned citizens from holding more than 10 thousand euros in cash, ordered them to hand over the "excess" currency to banks, or sold to banks themselves, and prohibited any operations with cryptocurrencies that were used to withdraw capital.
        But it was not possible to stop the panic of the population trying to save their savings, and in July, President Hassan Rouhani dismissed the head of the central bank, Vallialu Selifa. "

        https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/valyuty/valyuta-ira
        na-rushitsya-v-preddverii-sankciy-ssha-1027411558


        We naturally do not talk about this. Axis Iran - Turkey - Russia - invincible. In Turkey, Erdogan is extremely dissatisfied with unemployment, rising prices, and the depreciation of the currency. If this is called the path to economic prosperity, then stop - I will go.
        1. 0
          31 July 2018 14: 07
          "Fun" news. Waiting for Iran, the Turkish Maidan? Somehow the script is very well developed. After the surrender of the USSR, it is carried out like clockwork! Technology is being honed right before our eyes.
          1. +2
            31 July 2018 14: 19
            Quote: Mister Creed
            "Fun" news. Waiting for Iran, the Turkish Maidan? Somehow the script is very well developed. After the surrender of the USSR, it is carried out like clockwork! Technology is being honed right before our eyes.


            This shows what will happen in our country if the US and the EU impose sanctions against us similar to Iranian with the oil embargo. While this is not possible, however there is such an ace in the sleeve, although it is difficult to play it.
            1. +2
              31 July 2018 23: 13
              Europe will die without gas and fuel! The USA cannot provide.
        2. +9
          31 July 2018 14: 12
          Quote: Orel
          It is difficult to achieve this in a confrontation with the West. China does not allow confrontation. They are always very careful and they manage to barrage on two chairs, and we chose the unequivocal option of exacerbation and the economic dispositions are not at all in our favor.


          But did someone try to put a NATO base in the "Crimea" in China?
          Or, right at the borders of Bandera Ukraine, organize and start killing Chinese people?

          "Georgia" to incite them?

          While we could, quietly and calmly, without confrontation - we were careful
          Before breeding a scribble, first think about the essence and reasons

          Quote: Orel
          If this is called the path to economic prosperity, then stop - I will go down.


          here and jump quickly, right on the go, eagle
          1. +2
            1 August 2018 11: 52
            But did someone try to put a NATO base in the "Crimea" in China?

            China already has bases in "Crimea" - in Uzbekistan, Taiwan, South Korea.
            There are strains with India, Vietnam, Indonesia, Australia, Japan, and the US Navy in this region. For many years, China has been fighting at least for the neutrality of its perimeter and only now the first results are appearing - Hong Kong has become China, the non-deployment of missile defense in South Korea, the absence of amers in Vietnam and India, the expansion of support bases that protect shipping in the nearest seas and bays.
            Now Americans are actively trying to turn Shinjian, Tibet and a number of other places into constant points of tension. Do not forget about the events of Tian An Myn Square and the restoration of analogues in Hong Kong and a number of other cities.
            So I am now very far from calm. That is why they are now investing huge amounts of money in the combat readiness of the army and propaganda, ideological struggle. Or do you think that China launched several dozen modern universal destroyers for display?
        3. +4
          31 July 2018 14: 28
          Quote: Orel
          "Two Gods cannot be served." It is difficult to achieve this in a confrontation with the West. China does not allow confrontation.

          But the trade war unleashed by Trump is not a confrontation?
          Quote: Orel
          and we have chosen the unequivocal option of exacerbation and the economic alignment is not at all in our favor.

          We did not choose anything. The choice was made for us. In the 2000s, we calmly looked at NATO expansion, gouging industry, almost ditched the army, but we were told that you have bad sanctions against you and a pro system.
          Quote: Orel
          If this is called the path to economic prosperity, then stop - I will go down.

          Where do you go to immigrate to the USA? But in essence, the path to Russia's economic well-being lies through the development of industry in the broad sense of the word China as an example to us. And sitting on an oil needle is the right way to collapse, which is what your example with Iran convinces.
        4. 0
          31 July 2018 15: 12
          Quote: Orel
          If this is called the path to economic prosperity, then stop - I will go down.

          No, the policy of confrontation almost always does not mean improving the well-being of the people, rather the opposite.
        5. 0
          31 July 2018 18: 05
          Quote: Orel
          If this is called the path to economic prosperity, then stop - I will go down.

          The daughter of a "Soviet officer"?
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    4. +4
      31 July 2018 14: 44
      In how they ached, they immediately remembered Serdyukov, and they dragged Kudrin ....., give them the su-57 squadrons, and a couple of armadas to "arm" stop , of course, the forum is the "Military Review". It was said at first in black and white: "20RLN !! in the framework of the national project to raise the army" angry , which followed immediately after the implementation of other national projects, such as "agriculture", which was implemented quite successfully, I say as a consumer good (For the sake of justice and the littered nat-procts were sad ) Now, the military rearmament project is coming to an end. You would have to throw the entire budget for the military-industrial complex, but there is no ATP anymore, the Soviets swelled UNMEASURED means for all these ships that sailed and rotted for 20 years or were shamefully sold in Indo-China, such as the "Varyag" .... about which you all lament "if only restored, if only “such as Admiral Kharlamov or Lazarev” were restored. No, now the President clearly set the task in the message: “Launch a national project to raise the living standards of the population.” And judging by how the most important two that I wrote were implemented above, confidence in success is present. hi
      1. +5
        31 July 2018 17: 31
        Quote: Dimontius
        Now, the military rearmament project is coming to an end. You would have to throw the entire budget for the military-industrial complex, but there is no ATP anymore, the Soviets swelled UNMEASURED means for all these ships that sailed and rotted for 20 years or were shamefully sold in Indo-China, such as the "Varyag" .... about which you all lament "if only restored, if only “such as Admiral Kharlamov or Lazarev.”

        Liberal logic - the army is not needed because money down the drain does not bring. And where is the rearmament of the army? Is the fleet updated? Aviation? Ground troops? 70% of the new technology where? T-72B3? A new machine gun for service cannot be delivered. And the ships that sailed for 20 years provided our security for 20 years. The fact that they were sold for a penny betrayal and idiocy. In your opinion, the fleet is not needed at all, and the USA, the stupid seniors, have shaken off the largest fleet in the world that will rot and 6th generation fighters are developing loshars and the satellite fighter tries is unnecessary and the system is wretched and all this good Russia does not threaten. If we do not have modern weapons, they will tear us apart in a second like Iraq or Libya and no one will be able to provide any improvement in living standards. And our honest president said it is necessary to raise the standard of living of the population, only whose population has not been specified. He didn’t deceive him with the increase in GDP either: the GDP seemed to rise, but the incomes of citizens are not very good, but dollar billionaires and millionaires appear like mushrooms after rain. Yes, and all is well with pensions who will live to see it will get fucking, nothing that most will die. And to raise the standard of living of citizens in one way you need a new industrialization as in the 30s and the growth of industrial production.
        1. +1
          31 July 2018 19: 53
          Liberal logic - the army is not needed because money down the drain does not bring.

          Is this your conclusion? I do not share it. For 6 years, the budget has been tied to increased defense spending. The peak of packing with equipment has passed, now it is decreasing according to the plan.
          Is the fleet updated? Aviation? Ground troops? 70% of the new technology where? T-72B3? A new machine gun for service cannot be delivered.

          If you do not trust the regular reports of Minister Shoigu - your right. Yes, in some places there is a lag. But the 2020 plan was also aware of the continuation of cooperation with other countries, and now there is no cooperation.
          And the ships that sailed for 20 years provided our security for 20 years.

          Thanks to the military of the Navy for this. But the amount of equipment with such a quantity of nuclear weapons was excessive. And yes, the country still collapsed due to excessive militarism and economic collapse against its background. Well, of course, betrayal.
          About new developments ... Do we have them or what? On all fronts, there are only novelties .. and all within the framework of the state rearmament program, except for nuclear novelties, they are known to have been supported for the first term of GDP. Now having such a backlog, it is time to intensely switch to the welfare of the people, which the President outlined.
          And our honest president said it is necessary to raise the standard of living of the population, only whose population has not been specified. He didn’t deceive him with the increase in GDP either: the GDP seemed to rise, but the incomes of citizens are not very good, but dollar billionaires and millionaires appear like mushrooms after rain.
          List of dollar billionaires please name new ones, if not, do not engage in liberal populism. And about millionaires: our affairs would be bad if they did not appear, then I would congratulate you on your return to communism laughing
          GDP rose because it had collapsed before that as a result of falling oil prices and sanctions. We have not yet moved on to growth.
          Well, in conclusion about pensions ... wassat
        2. +1
          1 August 2018 08: 18
          You wrote nonsense that has nothing to do with reality.

          And what about the income, have you come from Turkey for a long time?
      2. 0
        4 August 2018 14: 53
        Quote: Dimontius
        Launch a national project to raise the living standards of the population. "

        Maybe it’s better not to, otherwise pensioners have already raised the standard of living ...
    5. +12
      31 July 2018 15: 27
      But yachts with a destroyer size did not order smaller! Apparently they are needed ....
    6. 0
      31 July 2018 17: 18
      Kudrin has nothing to do with it - he sits in the accounting chamber.
    7. +13
      31 July 2018 17: 32
      everything is much simpler - an OPG cafeteria serving the CIA.
      It’s not in vain that Zakharova told Amers -Yeltsin recruited the tsar for 500 lyam greens.
      Yeltsin's receiver who is right Putin!
      Instead of arrest and punishment, he used to go by the hand and kiss on the gums, then he built centers and introduced guarantees of inviolability to Yeltsin during his lifetime.
      From here everything is so sad for 20 years.
      Stalin in 5 years achieved more after the devastation and war, and our people are poorer and poorer.
      Those close to the Kremlin are richer and richer. wassat
      1. +1
        31 July 2018 18: 50
        No need to cling to our St. Petersburg organized crime group! Get your own and grab it as much as you like! :))
      2. 0
        1 August 2018 08: 19
        How long have you come from Turkey so poor? Did you change your car for a long time?
        1. 0
          1 August 2018 18: 06
          are you me
          I have never been to Turkey, but I love old cars.
          there is patrol 2008, Volvo 2000 - I have enough of them).
    8. +1
      31 July 2018 18: 49
      And what, Kudrin again Minister of Finance? From what day?
      1. +5
        31 July 2018 19: 09
        And what, Kudrin again Minister of Finance?

        Kudrin is still a very close friend of Vova Pe. A friend of Vova - this position is much higher than the minister.
      2. 0
        2 August 2018 12: 39
        Have you noticed that the Minister of Finance Siluanov also became Deputy Prime Minister at the same time? And he is a monetarist. No budget deficits and no money printing. Here is the military budget and cut.
        So what to do?
        The reserve fund was exhausted last year. Pension - 3 years is enough if you spend it as Reserve. Nobody gives loans to Russia - sanctions.
        Or start selling gold, or cut your budget
  2. +9
    31 July 2018 05: 44
    The truth is somewhere nearby ... On the one hand, we are a poor country ... And this is not in dispute ... On the other ... There are enemies all around ... this is the same place to be ... And it is very difficult to find a compromise between this and so ...
    1. +38
      31 July 2018 06: 03
      Poor country thieves made gdp serdyukovs cut
      1. +7
        31 July 2018 06: 54
        Well, Serdyukov and Sechin to align correctly. Different caliber gentlemen. Although the cartridges from the same clip ...
        1. +28
          31 July 2018 07: 14
          Quote: ltc35
          Well, Serdyukov and Sechin to align correctly.

          It is possible however - they are equal in untouchability. Insolent, obese parasites located under the "roof" of the "God chosen."
      2. +6
        31 July 2018 12: 19
        Quote: 100502
        Poor country thieves made gdp serdyukovs cut

        First of all you did! Will you support the referendum on amendments to the Constitution? These issues are specifically suppressed in the media (are influenced by foreign ...):
        - to abolish the priority of international law over Russian laws;
        - on nationalization of the Central Bank (now it is independent by state obligations, i.e. private-commercial);
        - on the return of the population’s rights to natural resources (now it can be given to development to just about anyone, with taxation not for the resources themselves, but only for mining);
        - the withdrawal of enterprises from offshore to the jurisdiction of Russia (the issue of tax evasion in a foreign country)
        1. +8
          31 July 2018 12: 25
          And again - again, twenty-five money for fish ...
          Quote: Genry
          on the abolition of the priority of international law over Russian laws

          There is no such "priority". In 99,99 (9)% of cases.
          Quote: Genry
          on nationalization of the Central Bank (now independent by state obligations, i.e. private-commercial)

          Nonsense (not to say - pure lies).

          Quote: Genry
          on the return of the rights of the population to natural resources (now they can be given to development to anybody, taxing not for the resources themselves, but only for mining)

          Lies
          Quote: Genry
          the withdrawal of enterprises from offshore to the jurisdiction of Russia (the issue of tax evasion in a foreign state)

          I wonder how you intend to implement this. No losses for the Russian Federation, especially.
          1. +3
            31 July 2018 12: 46
            Your answers are so empty and primitive that I don’t even see the point of answering.
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            There is no such "priority". In 99,99 (9)% of cases.

            Quote: Golovan Jack
            And again - again, twenty-five money for fish ...

            Quote: Golovan Jack
            There is no such "priority". In 99,99 (9)% of cases.

            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Nonsense (not to say - pure lies).

            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Lies

            Quote: Golovan Jack
            I wonder how you intend to implement this. No losses for the Russian Federation, especially.
            1. +4
              31 July 2018 13: 02
              Quote: Genry
              I see no reason to answer

              Well, of course. It is hard to refute the fact that twice two is four.
              Quote: Genry
              Your answers are so empty and primitive.

              I was upset and went to sob laughing
              1. +2
                31 July 2018 13: 12
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Well, of course. It is hard to refute the fact that twice two is four.

                And where was your question about twice two? I didn’t notice him ...
                1. +3
                  31 July 2018 13: 31
                  Quote: Genry
                  And where was your question about twice two? I didn’t notice him ...

                  I will help you. Let's start with a simple one: where did you read that
                  Quote: Genry
                  ... natural resources can now be given into development to anyone, taxable not for the resources themselves, but only for mining

                  Waiting for an answer, preferably with reference to an official document (s).
                  1. +2
                    31 July 2018 13: 52
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    I will help you. Let's start with a simple one: where did you read that

                    Tuta:
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Well, of course. It is hard to refute the fact that twice two is four.


                    ======================
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Quote: Genry
                    ... natural resources can now be given into development to anybody, with taxation not for the resources themselves, but only for mining

                    I am waiting for an answer, preferably with reference to an official document (s).

                    Numbering: chapter. Article. Paragraph.

                    1.9.2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership.
                    1. +2
                      31 July 2018 14: 03
                      Low.
                      Quote: Genry
                      1.9.2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership

                      This is understandable.
                      How is this your pearl connected with this (or as it follows from here):
                      Quote: Genry
                      natural resources can now be given into development to anyone taxing not for the resources themselves, but only for mining

                      Pearl itself, to facilitate your understanding of the issue, highlighted in red.
                      So the right answer is in the studio wink
                      1. +1
                        31 July 2018 14: 14
                        If you sell your private property to another, what do you pay to the state? Only taxes ... In this particular, also for workers' salaries.
                      2. +3
                        31 July 2018 15: 19
                        Incorrect answer.
                        Catch the correct one:
                        Quote: Law of the Russian Federation of February 21.02.1992, 2395 N 1-31.05.2018 (as amended on May XNUMX, XNUMX) “On the bowels”

                        1.2 Article. Subsoil Property

                        Subsoil within the borders of the territory of the Russian Federation, including underground space and minerals contained in the subsoil, energy and other resources are state property. Issues of ownership, use and disposal of mineral resources are jointly the responsibility of the Russian Federation and the constituent entities of the Russian Federation.
                        Subsoil plots may not be subject to purchase, sale, donation, inheritance, contribution, pledge or alienated in any other form. Subsoil use rights may be alienated or transferred from one person to another to the extent that their circulation is permitted by federal laws.
                        Minerals and other resources extracted from the subsoil can be in federal state ownership, property of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, municipal, private and other forms of ownership under the terms of the license.

                        So your
                        Quote: Genry
                        ... taxing not for the resources themselves, but only for mining ...

                        - Not okay.
                        For the rest of the points in your original delusion, do you need clarification, or what?
                      3. +1
                        31 July 2018 20: 41
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Not okay.

                        The Subsoil Law cannot change the effect of a higher law (Constitution). Its preamble says:
                        "The legislation of the Russian Federation on subsoil based on the Constitution of the Russian Federation and consists of this Law and adopted in accordance with it other federal laws and other regulatory legal acts, as well as laws and other regulatory legal acts of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation."
                        That is, if in this law there is a contradiction with the Constitution (and it has not been finalized), then the provision from the Constitution will act. In addition, there may be a provision in another law that additionally resolves this issue without contradicting the Constitution. If not, then the decision can be made in court (all conflicts of laws are resolved this way) or if it was resolved earlier then it is executed in the same way.
                        To legitimately eliminate this conflict and to avoid possible situations with the seizure of natural resources, it is necessary to amend the Constitution. And you want to shut up this question. am
                      4. +1
                        31 July 2018 20: 53
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        For the rest of the points in your original delusion, do you need clarification, or what?

                        Entertain! lol
              2. +2
                31 July 2018 13: 58
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                I was upset and went away sobbing laughing

                I hooked you on a hook .... tongue
                1. +3
                  31 July 2018 14: 05
                  Quote: Genry
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  I was upset and went away sobbing laughing

                  I hooked you on a hook .... tongue

                  Do not try to seem even dumber than you really are wink
                  1. +1
                    31 July 2018 14: 16
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Do not try to seem even dumber than you really are

                    I didn’t say that you are a traffic jam ... Yes
                    1. +2
                      31 July 2018 15: 21
                      Quote: Genry
                      I didn’t say that you are a traffic jam

                      And it is right. Read about the bowels, answered above.
                      In the bowels of the tundra the otters cheerfully
                      They dig cedar kernels into buckets ...

                      belay belay belay
                      1. +1
                        31 July 2018 20: 59
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        In the bowels of the tundra the otters cheerfully
                        They dig cedar kernels into buckets ...

                        belay belay belay

        2. 0
          31 July 2018 20: 09
          Quote: Genry
          - on nationalization of the Central Bank (now it is independent by state obligations, i.e. private-commercial);

          Colleague, do not mislead the people! Central Bank of the State! Another thing is that he does not have the right not only to subsidize, but even to lend to Russia! The number of rubles is also printed depending on the amount of hard currency, i.e. in fact, it is not controlled by its state, but is controlled by the IMF. The rest is basically true, so we will support the referendum, only who initiates it?
          1. +1
            31 July 2018 22: 04
            Quote: businessv
            do not mislead the people! Central Bank

            Constituent documents?
            Show his belonging to the state of Russia ...
            Quote: businessv
            The number of rubles is also printed depending on the amount of hard currency, i.e. in fact, it is not controlled by its state, but is controlled by the IMF.

            Speak the truth! good
            The ruble is a piece of paper (derivative) instead of the dollar ... It is useless to issue a ruble, since there will be no increase in the volume of money, but only inflation of the ruble (which happens when export operations decrease and currency inflows fall at a constant flow). Only an increase in the stock of currencies (gold and export) increases the total value of money (ruble).
            We need a State Bank with a real ruble, which has a price in terms of domestic production, with a comparison of value to currencies in terms of purchasing power.
            Quote: businessv
            We will support the referendum, only who initiates it?

            There is an initiative at the level of state structures, but a referendum can only be initiated when the population is ready to support it. There is no such thing yet ...
            The NOD (National Liberation Movement) is engaged in campaigning to amend the Constitution, so they are trying to defame and censor him.
            1. +1
              1 August 2018 11: 36
              Quote: Genry
              There is an initiative at the level of state structures, but a referendum can only be initiated when the population is ready to support it. There is no such thing yet ...

              Sorry to waste time, but the question is important. Who owns the Central Bank of Russia here is our author !: https://topwar.ru/117202-vot-komu-prinadlezhit-cb
              -rf.html About the Referendum here: http://cikrf.ru/law/federal_constitutional_law/za
              kon_045fkz / gl2.php The only contradiction with the Central Bank is the Law on the prevalence of international laws over the Laws of Russia, IMHO this is fundamentally wrong! By the way, the place in the video about treasuries is no longer relevant, therefore, we draw conclusions.
              1. 0
                1 August 2018 18: 02
                Quote: businessv
                Who owns the Central Bank of Russia here - our author

                Great analysis. good
                Quote: businessv
                About the referendum here:

                There are no problems with the organization of the referendum. There is a problem with its results. The question is very difficult for most of the population. recourse
                Quote: businessv
                The only contradiction with the Central Bank is the Law on the prevalence of international laws over the laws of Russia, IMHO this is fundamentally wrong!

                Here I am a little confused about what you mean. Sorry, but you have written it too briefly. feel
                Quote: businessv
                By the way, the place in the video about treasuries is no longer relevant, therefore, we draw conclusions.

                Treasure was dropped, but the system for assessing the ruble through the Central Bank did not change. This is fundamentally impossible until the State Bank is created, with the ruble price oriented to the domestic production volume and available stock of valuable resources. hi
        3. 0
          1 August 2018 08: 32
          Oh damn. The first thing Putin did was force him to withdraw from offshore companies, and immediately money appeared in the country. Including and on the Su-57. You live in the 1998 year.

          - to abolish the priority of international law over Russian laws;


          How stupid you are. If a state signs a certain international treaty, it is obliged to consider it more priority than its laws that conflict with it. Otherwise, this contract simply cannot work. It is impossible, for example, to agree with a neighbor on a demilitarized zone near the border and immediately place military units there under the right of sovereignty, which I have on my territory where I want. And only horses from the Independent Square can not understand this, who only think that they should first sign something, and then throw it and not do it.

          And do not think that we have fools in power, if the contract is unprofitable, then they do not sign it. And it's called diplomacy.

          For some everyday issues, such as retirement age, this has nothing to do.

          on the return of the population’s rights to natural resources


          And what will the population do with them?
          1. +1
            1 August 2018 09: 15
            Quote: EvilLion
            Oh damn. The first thing Putin did was force him to withdraw from offshore companies, and immediately money appeared in the country. Including and on the Su-57. You live in the 1998 year.

            What? Who performed?
            The money did not appear, but is taken thanks to taxes on salaries, VAT on goods sold, movability, real estate, ....
            Quote: EvilLion
            How stupid you are.

            Hamite?
            Quote: EvilLion
            If a state signs a certain international treaty, it is obliged to consider it more priority than its laws that conflict with it.

            When the state signs an agreement (UN, HRC, ....), as a rule, there are no conflicts, but then the "international" suddenly begins to change its laws and they begin to contradict the state laws and snot-screams begin. Yesterday, the "norms of international law" were the same, but today they suddenly changed. And what's stupid to follow them? Therefore, the provision in the Constitution: "Generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If an international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes rules other than those provided by law, then the rules of the international treaty apply." must be abolished or subject to conditions.
            Quote: EvilLion
            It is impossible, for example, to agree with a neighbor on a demilitarized zone near the border and immediately place military units there under the right of sovereignty, which I have on my territory where I want.

            This one has nothing to do with the issue. This is a single direct contract and it is not reflected in any state laws.
            Quote: EvilLion
            And do not think that we have fools in power, if the contract is unprofitable, then they do not sign it. And it's called diplomacy.

            In power there are not only fools (Yeltsin), but also traitors (Shevarnadze, Kozyrev) and those who want to sell billions of their country's income (Gaidar) for a couple of millions.
            Quote: EvilLion
            And what will the population do with them?

            That is, you do not need a share of the income from the extraction of natural wealth of the country where you were born (maybe)?
          2. 0
            2 August 2018 23: 39
            Quote: EvilLion
            How stupid you are. If a state signs a certain international treaty, it is obliged to consider it more priority than its laws that conflict with it.

            He began to answer the wit, but he realized the pointlessness of the undertaking because a person insults people because of his own stupidity, completely not understanding what they are talking about! I don’t want to spend on such time at all! hi
          3. -1
            3 August 2018 16: 23
            Quote: EvilLion
            And what will the population do with them?

            Listen, Nerd, what are the people who extract these resources doing with resources ?! Indeed, one must be an absolute felt boots so as not to understand such simple things! No need to discuss here, in, other people's comments, boorish people! Get yours if you can!
          4. 0
            4 August 2018 15: 48
            Quote: EvilLion
            on the return of the population’s rights to natural resources And what will the population do with them?

            Receive natural rents.
    2. +1
      31 July 2018 08: 23
      Quote: Vard
      The truth is somewhere nearby ... On the one hand, we are a poor country ...

      Russia is the richest country.
      1. +10
        31 July 2018 11: 55
        With one of the poorest nations. Do you catch the logic?
        1. 0
          31 July 2018 21: 44
          It is not true. There are dozens of countries with much poorer populations.
      2. +9
        31 July 2018 12: 22
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Russia is the richest country.

        By natural wealth, yes. But weak in terms of economy and population.
        And the main weakness - according to the Constitution, is under external control, which impedes development and indirectly reduces budget and population incomes (cunning robbery).
        1. +6
          31 July 2018 13: 03
          Quote: Genry
          under the Constitution, is under external control

          Show where it is in the Constitution. Or stop talking nonsense already negative
          1. +1
            31 July 2018 16: 33
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Or stop talking nonsense already negative

            Well are you so ?! The current guy broke up, throws lightning bolts, calls "into battle" ... And you ... Ay yay yay.
            1. +4
              31 July 2018 16: 40
              Quote: EwgenyZ
              The current guy broke up, throws lightnings, calls into the battle ... And you ...

              I even found the “Subsoil Law” for the “guy” ... during working hours, by the way - the benefit of calm, and the authorities drove off somewhere laughing
              And then too deeply (in the bowels) of that guy ... drilled request
              1. 0
                1 August 2018 14: 35
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                And then too deeply (in the bowels) of that guy ... drilled

                Ohhhh! I saw the most superficial person in the world. Those. one who does not know anything but is trying to pretend to be stupid. About your law wrote above. Suck in! No.
        2. +3
          31 July 2018 17: 46
          Quote: Genry
          But weak in economics

          Russia has a positive trade balance, in 2017, exports exceeded imports by 130 billion, only Germany and China are ahead.
          1. 0
            1 August 2018 08: 33
            But this is just bad, and it is the positive balance, which was the same in the 90, means that we feed, but this balance, which is hated by the authorities, has been reducing this balance for a long time.
          2. 0
            1 August 2018 14: 40
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            Russia has a surplus

            And what's the balance? The strength of the economy is determined by the volume of industrial production. Balance is only trade.
    3. +4
      31 July 2018 15: 12
      Quote: Vard
      The truth is somewhere nearby ... On the one hand, we are a poor country ..

      Economic dispositions do not say this, rather it’s more correct to say that we are a very rich country with a poor population.
      1. 0
        1 August 2018 08: 01
        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
        Economic dispositions do not say this, rather it’s more correct to say that we are a very rich country with a poor population.

        I would clarify, partially by the poor.
  3. +30
    31 July 2018 05: 58
    "The question arises: why then screaming for the whole world? Except for accurate giggles at the end or very hard laughter, this will not bring.
    For power offensively. And for the fools who scream all over the world about Peremogs and whisper about zradah.
    To be silent is sometimes better. And silently roll out everything new. "
    I absolutely agree with the opinion of the author.
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      1. +25
        31 July 2018 08: 01
        Quote: Fungus
        Author hat. Planes will be. Already prepared for the troops.

        At least a hundred will be? And then the F-35 is already more than 350 pieces!

        They at the assembly line are being built more at once than in our Goz order.
        1. +2
          31 July 2018 14: 17
          Quote: Stas157
          At least a hundred will be? And then the F-35 is already more than 350 pieces!

          SW Stas157, now personally now I completely agree with the actions of our leadership. We are moving at our own pace, we’re not screaming, in 2010 we’ll join the troops, no in the 10th we won’t, but in 2016 we’ll certainly go in the hundreds, we don’t have time for the 16th. And in the first I see a logically justified position: new engines will be ready only by 2020, so we will purchase 10 units so far. We will exploit, watch, and there we will see - here it is healthy pragmatism. Of course it’s bad that the engines have been brought to mind for so long, maybe even the subcontractors somewhere break the deadlines, well, as they say, we act on the basis of what we have.
          And as for the 350 F-35, well, there, everything is not so good either, the first one hundred (for example, I don’t remember the exact numbers, and this is not so important) are transitional ones that will need to be updated later to the appropriate level, of course, the United States with their the budget can afford, but not us.
          1. 0
            1 August 2018 08: 36
            Are you out of your mind? Engines that give a sharp technological leap, despite the fact that it is already extremely difficult to raise thrust by 1% now, have they taken a long time?
        2. 0
          1 August 2018 08: 38
          Why should we be interested in the F-35 in general, when its advantages even over the Su-30СМ are unclear, well, in addition to the "low" EPR and some network-centric ideas that can be implemented even on the An-2?
      2. 0
        31 July 2018 08: 03
        the delay is the next stage of modernization, and optimization, cheaper production of Su-57. due to an increase in the number of purchases of 4 ++ fighters with a decrease in the price of 5 +
      3. +3
        31 July 2018 12: 03
        from Kazakhstan is it more visible? laughing
      4. +4
        31 July 2018 15: 14
        Quote: Fungus
        Author hat. Planes will be. Already prepared for the troops.

        Sorry, Vityok, but you’re wrong, but I will stand up for an author who is a very competent person especially in matters of aviation technology, and if he says that the dreams of the Su-57 seem to have vanished like morning fog, then with a high proportion Probability is possible.

        And prepare for the troops - how much? Already 2 pieces? or xnumx? huh, as much as a half squadron? and the account at F6 goes already hundreds ...
        1. +5
          31 July 2018 18: 58
          Sorry, Vityok, but you're wrong, but I will stand up for an author who is very competent especially in matters of aviation technology.

          Seriously? Where does such conviction come from? Does he work in the industry? Has a competent insider from there? Exploiter equipment? On the basis of what did the title of EXPERT stick to him? The Su-57 at the moment is nothing more than the development of competencies and, most importantly, not in the final result, but in the creation of means of production of the final result, the assessment of capabilities and the future. Do you want 100500 letaks without the possibility of their real application? Yes, the F-35 is for 300 pieces, but the problem with the radar and software is not resolved, the problem with the gun is not resolved, the problem with limiting ejection is not resolved, the all-weather letak is afraid of bad weather conditions and partially have problems with defects in the fuel system and this is what only known from open sources. It may happen that the car’s hulls are organic and without major changes are generally not fixable, and then what? The decision to rivet 100500 boards is the political decision of the Lockheed because otherwise the project could have been covered up, and now the US Defense Ministry will simply have to invest money and wait ... invest and wait ... they simply have no way out. Of course, sooner or later it will be brought, by the year 2021, but how many of the previously released cars can be upgraded to the level of the last xs unit ... Initially, when they talked about the Su-57 series, no one said that he immediately it will replace everything and everything, and people close to the industry used to call between 100 and 200 boards in the first 10 years of operation, and this is not just like 10-12 cars a year, this is our limit now, because we have it corny even if we had money, then the industrial site where you can produce such equipment is limited in size and quantity. Yes, and there is no urgent need for this now, but the machine is in the air, there will be an experimental series for Lipetsk, where they will finally formulate the answer to the question: what is it and what can it be consumed with?
        2. 0
          1 August 2018 08: 46
          He was "given to the Russians again." About how Russians were doing, for example, with the same L / 7 tank gun, because of which the valokordin began to be drunk in our design bureaus and urgently sawed 115 mm smoothbore, no way to recall. Well, or about U-2, which for a long time flew as he wanted. And L / 7 still lives, M68 is American of its persons. version.

          And the M113 armored personnel carrier was, a natural Kalashnikov of the world of armored personnel carriers, about 100 pcs. made. And the great "foreman" in the person of the MiG-29, which even the native Russian Air Force, saving the expensive MiG-31, simply became unnecessary, as soon as the structure under which it was created disappeared, and it turned out that the Su-27 is perfectly suitable for the Air Force, and for air defense.
    2. avt
      +9
      31 July 2018 09: 13
      Quote: Petrol cutter
      To be silent is sometimes better. And silently roll out everything new. "
      I absolutely agree with the opinion of the author.

      Similarly. And after reading the article, I suggest before
      For power offensively. And for the fools who scream all over the world about Peremogs and whisper about zradah.
      Actually sit and think about the data of the open press in part
      And according to the Italians, with proper equipment, that is, second-generation engines, the Su-57 will be able to carry both conventional and nuclear weapons.
      Is there actually an engine in the series? The combat use, not advertising pokatushki (which by the way was also done correctly), have already been carried out? In Lipetsk have already worked out the combat use of the new airplane? Or is it like with Gorshkov and his Polement-Redoubt - the ship is on the move, but cannot work properly? What does the brain boil and scatter the fuselages in the warehouse? There is time to bring the car to mind, as it was with the Su -27. The novel does not want to refresh the famous epic with a change of really outstanding drying, the predecessor of the 57th ?? Well, it’s simple about what was originally rolled out and what it turned out during the tests in the series and with reference to time. Why all these jumps into manure with a run about -
      For power offensively. And for the fools who scream all over the world about Peremogs and whisper about zradah.
      To be silent is sometimes really better. And silently roll out everything new.
      negative The right word is a shame for the VO site! Instead of a technically competent analysis - election chants for a single voting day?
      1. +3
        31 July 2018 09: 57
        Quote: avt
        Or is it like with Gorshkov and his Polement-Redoubt - the ship is on the move, but cannot work properly?

        So much sewage was poured on the Mace, but it took and flew, maybe sewage has a positive effect on the refinement of military equipment?
        1. +2
          31 July 2018 10: 17
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          can sewage have a positive effect on the refinement of military equipment?

          1. 0
            31 July 2018 12: 46
            Golovan Jack "interesting thought"

            Confirmed by experiment.
        2. avt
          +4
          31 July 2018 12: 55
          ]
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          So much sewage was poured on the Mace, but she took it and flew,

          Moreover, it somehow coincided with the elimination of US-supervision at the Votkinsk plant. Randomness of course wassat but nice
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          can sewage have a positive effect on the refinement of military equipment?

          The development, and indeed when designing, is primarily affected by the amount of working out on the mock-ups and stands of the systems and the facility as a whole. But this is very costly, although effective, and .... not "heroically" for the townsfolk and "generals", well, who are from stupid colonels. A spilled
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          sewage
          distract forces and time for laundering and nothing more.
        3. 0
          1 August 2018 08: 47
          No, only specific measures have a positive effect.
      2. +6
        31 July 2018 11: 52
        And publications on the VO website, not without the help of the author, are 70% pre-election chants and a solid politota pouring slop into most of the audience and population. Recently, I’ve been catching myself more and more thinking about reading articles: have I been in VO ?!
        1. +16
          31 July 2018 12: 10
          The VO site is not the Pravda newspaper, one thousand nine hundred of a year. Here, "true patriots" have been shutting their mouths to their hundreds of SU-57s (or T-50s earlier) and thousands of Armats for three years now. And now, hell, such an unexpected man from the Ministry of Defense. But the brains didn’t change, just screaming slogans after such limes themselves already feel that it’s useless. Who is the Deputy Minister of Defense now? Liberast! Who is he in swing? Shoigu! Also a liberalist! And who put Shoigu ?? Yeah, brain error systems ... Poor things ...
          1. +7
            31 July 2018 13: 50
            And what does the newspaper Pravda and "real patriots" have to do with it ?! It’s just that in VO it’s now fashionable and relevant to cover the Government’s pension, tax and social reforms (essentially criticizing and not offering anything in return), spending on the World Cup, praising the adherents of certain political forces, in a boorish manner on the verge of direct insults about persons having an opposite point of view and other political views from the views of the author. So I say that now VO looks very much like a political platform where there is little analysis and a certain group of people conducts some kind of political (possibly pre-election) campaigning. VO is not the Pravda newspaper, but it is not a propaganda brochure either.
            1. +2
              31 July 2018 14: 26
              Well, in other media like Svanidze, of course, everything is cultural, with respect. As for the lack of offers in the VO. Well this is purely a lie. There are plenty of offers here. Who will only implement them? So it turns out that the Wishlist of the people and the government are exactly the opposite. We already know about hoteliers and avatars of leadership. We sell oil to partners, we give money to them, we arrange spectacles, the media work clearly. Judging by our media, the US should start to catch up with our economy! Here are just sanctions impose on us, not us. And we ask for investment and technology, not ours. And we want to integrate, and not to us (in us).
              1. +2
                31 July 2018 17: 08
                I do not watch or read Svanidze, I read VO (recently, less and less for the reasons I mentioned above). Why compare VO with Svanidze and what parallels are not very clear to me here. And proposals under such articles usually sound like: “take everything away and share”
          2. +5
            31 July 2018 14: 17
            "Here," true patriots "have been shutting their mouths to everyone for hundreds of years with their hundreds of SU-57 (or T-50 before) and thousands of Armats"
            Now here other "patriots" rule apparently
            1. +4
              31 July 2018 16: 22
              Very similar to that.
          3. +2
            31 July 2018 20: 29
            Quote: Dangerous
            Shoigu! Also a liberalist! And who put Shoigu ?? Yeah, brain error systems ... Poor things ...

            You, judging by the rank on VO for a long time, but somehow you are unkind about us sinners! Yes, and you didn’t attach Shoigu to a cohort of liberalists — an intelligent business executive with a clearly state mentality. If you don’t see everything, or you don’t understand everything, don’t need to blame everyone indiscriminately! And we are not poor at all, but simply patriots without quotes. hi
      3. +1
        31 July 2018 17: 57
        Reasonable comment on the background of "all-terrible"! love
      4. +3
        31 July 2018 19: 02
        negative The right word - it's a shame for the VO site! Instead of a technically competent analysis - election chants for a single voting day?
        Fiercely plus, I haven’t been here for a long time, but when I returned, I realized that when there was still normal (although the level was already falling), and now it’s quite the edge, well then ... polymers are just .... and ...
        1. 0
          1 August 2018 11: 50
          Quote: adept666
          Fiercely, plus, I haven’t been here for a long time, but when I returned, I realized that when I was still normal (although the level was already falling), now it’s completely

          I’m embarrassed to ask, but will you tell me where you live today? I would like to see a really high, in your opinion, level of materials !!! As for me, so with each other inconsistencies happen. smile
          1. 0
            1 August 2018 19: 49
            I’m embarrassed to ask, but will you tell me where you live today?

            More or less analytics remained on the Global Adventure, there are still people from the industry or from the “service” ... Black Shark, Pedestrian, Lvil ... unfortunately the aviator and dankom have already been banned and it looks like the FSB of the Russian Federation ... +/- another couple a person more or less "involved" earlier in the topics of which I previously related to work smile
            1. -1
              2 August 2018 23: 41
              Quote: adept666
              More or less analytics remained on the Global Adventure

              Thank you, colleague, I’ll definitely look! drinks
              1. 0
                3 August 2018 06: 28
                Yes, no reason drinks
    3. +7
      31 July 2018 13: 48
      Quote: Petrol cutter
      "The question arises: why then shout to the whole world?

      Quote: Petrol cutter
      I absolutely agree with the opinion of the author.

      Then you need to yell so that the people in the country do not ask why gas is expensive, the pension is small, they say look, we have the best airplanes in the world.
    4. +2
      31 July 2018 15: 20
      Basically all these high-profile statements for domestic consumption
    5. 0
      1 August 2018 08: 34
      So then it is necessary to ban 90% of local users.
  4. +4
    31 July 2018 06: 35
    The only question is ... to decide on their specialization ... from here it will become clear how many are needed and what kind of machines. At its core, stealth programs are comparable to the 80s Star Wars program ... huge costs with unclear effectiveness. At the same time, the F15X is launching a virtually flying weapons platform with more than 20 missiles to work in conjunction with the F35.
    1. +1
      31 July 2018 08: 55
      Maybe for that reason, force everyone to an arms race? We have developments. Over the hill you are boiling, they also needed this right away. It’s true that we would like these novelties in our army to be, but ... He knows the big giraffe
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  6. +2
    31 July 2018 07: 04
    Roman and my friend The gas cutter is right: why yell like a * uraka "I have a Finnish knife in my pocket, and up my sleeve ... It's stupid, but Roman’s proposal: I don’t really like to keep quiet in the quiet one, and suddenly the" well-wishers "get off or drunk?
    But seriously, everything needs a measure
  7. +3
    31 July 2018 07: 13
    As the huntsman Kuzmich said, fools in Russia still have enough years for 100.
  8. exo
    +13
    31 July 2018 07: 48
    "Why scream ...?" Then, to make people happy in parades, he rejoiced. And he chose this power in a new way. And what will happen next is apparently not interesting to anyone.
  9. +5
    31 July 2018 08: 11
    For power offensively. And for the fools who scream all over the world about Peremogs and whisper about zradah.

    The leader is responsible for the people whom he has put in key positions.
    Will we wait for workers to appreciate their work again?
  10. +8
    31 July 2018 08: 16
    And for me it was finally understood that there are no "invisible" planes and decided to get along with the Su-35 (well, they will make 40 Su-57 and that's enough) For our urgent needs, that's enough, but in the case of a "big war" you still can’t breathe - there, when the warheads of the tridents can hit the airfields and the thousand su-57s can’t do the weather anymore. In general, liberals cry out for tears, make airplanes bad, Putin tyrant, conqueror, why do we need so much, think about children, don’t make airplanes well, pay money for the birth of 2 and 3 children, let's do poorly with thousands of armata and su-57 (at the same time I, that they are bad and worse than a raptor and abrams) it all reminds me of the cries of Tukhachevsky who suggested that Stalin release as many as 60 T-000 tanks! is it funny right now? but in reality he suggested that our industry would probably be ditched for this order, but it would fulfill it by releasing these “tanks”, which they would not even have called a tankette after a year of the war.
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  11. +7
    31 July 2018 08: 22
    Everything is as always! We love to surprise, not by waiting. On papers the receipt of the T-72M is actually Armata. It is also the SU 57.
    The adversary should know exactly as much. How much he should know and no more!? (Put a comma);)
    At the time, and with the T 72, T-80, T-90, there were similar scenarios. How many scandals over the T90 considered this machine to be unpromising.
    But in reality ...!? ;) Now there is a reserve and experimental lots. And then .... Slow down, you will continue.! We love to harness for a long time ... The enemy’s degree is increased. Nights without sleep, and the diaper deficiency is the same, there is. From what we have now , we will get a return, after. The combat developments released recently and baptized by fire. And mey praise and enthusiasm in the face of the enemy. Priceless.
    Especially if there are backlogs obtained during the test for future stronger samples.
    Let foreign "partners" rejoice (for now)
    then we'll see how a smile slides from their face. ;)
    1. +6
      31 July 2018 12: 18
      It’s just interesting that you need to smoke if, when reporting non-deliveries of new models of equipment, enemy diapers climb into the head in the troops ???
  12. +4
    31 July 2018 08: 31
    Why do we need PAK FA, if the Tu-160 are good?

    Probably meant PAK YES.
    It seems to me that Yu. Borisov is another "herald", the earlier Rogozin was engaged. sad
  13. +4
    31 July 2018 08: 35
    Having examined a certain amount of foreign media, settled on two.


    That all the same, the conclusion that in Europe joyfully sighed based on only two sources?
    1. +4
      31 July 2018 09: 45
      one of which is Japanese lol
  14. +5
    31 July 2018 08: 36
    One of the reasons why Russia does not seek mass production of aircraft at this stage is undoubtedly related to the already overburdened defense budget of the country.
    ... Yes, and qualified specialists are not enough ... Where do they come from ...
    1. +7
      31 July 2018 09: 41
      Hit the point. The "Soviet" supply of specialists is running out, specialists who graduated from universities in the 90s and have not changed their vocation are few, but modern graduates do not need all this. I do not work in the defense industry, but there is a problem with personnel. And in the defense industry there is the same shortage of specialists plus “cuts”, “kickbacks”, “nepotism” - from here directly to those who do something with their hands and head, they pay little money. About import substitution in electronics it is better not to remember at all.
      1. +1
        31 July 2018 10: 08
        Yes, the same thing as you and the managers have nothing to do with it .. That's why they extend the retirement age ... they say as long as they leave, maybe the new generation will come .. The saddest thing is, it will not come ...
  15. +9
    31 July 2018 08: 36
    We, unlike other partners, have a defensive doctrine. To effectively counter the attack, the development of air defense and missile defense systems is a priority. The first blow to us will be struck by missiles of all types. The target will be objects of military infrastructure. Among them are airfields. If they are hit, then what difference does it make which plane cannot take off, SU 35 or SU 57. If TU 160 cannot take off, then PAK YES will also not be able to take off. Our first response will also be missile. Yes, new aircraft are needed, but completely modified, with new engines. In order to start training pilots, those that already exist are enough. And modify the plane. What is the point of buying an unfinished aircraft if you then again have to invest in replacing engines? The same applies to ships, in the case of a first strike, which ships are easier to keep and take out of the strike? Huge cruisers and aircraft carriers or small missiles with enough firepower for the response. Or do you think that in a month they will warn us about the attack. No. Everything will be suddenly and in the strictest secrecy. Our budget does not allow money to go left and right, as the Americans do. And if we manage to repulse the first attack and retaliate, destroying the enemy infrastructure, and the planes take off, then the Tu 160 will strike almost without leaving our territory. The question is, what is better then PAK YES. Airplanes are needed, but well-developed, but for now, according to the Russian military doctrine, everything is being done right.
    1. KCA
      0
      31 July 2018 11: 57
      The first strike will not be completely unexpected, the spies work, and without preparation, nobody will attack right away right away, the mattresses need a week or even more to take the entire fleet and the submarine fleet from the bases, such activity will not go unnoticed
  16. +2
    31 July 2018 08: 38
    Borisov was told about the Su-35, which did not pass unnoticed.
    “You know that today the Su-35С is considered one of the best aircraft produced in the world. Consequently, it makes no sense to speed up work on the serial production of fifth-generation aircraft. ”
    "Serial production of the Su-57 at this stage does not make sense and will occur only after the older fighters of the fourth generation of the Russian Air Force will lag behind their Western counterparts."

    It does not interfere. while there are no native engines for the Su-57, it is not needed in large quantities, only for initial study in training centers.
    But still, the SU-57 WILL BE, or rather, it ALREADY IS
    1. avt
      +5
      31 July 2018 09: 20
      Quote: svp67
      But still, the SU-57 WILL BE, or rather, it ALREADY IS

      request You won’t prove to everyone that it’s prosralipolymers, especially that it’s not even in the version originally planned, due to the lack of an engine. Moreover, SERIAL production. And without it, an expensive glider is really not needed in thousands.
      1. +2
        31 July 2018 12: 26
        There are F-35 and F-22, with hundreds and even in several countries. And yes, we have 12 SERIAL units!
  17. +2
    31 July 2018 08: 47
    In general, seriously, we should make it a rule not to yell at the whole world, as we all will defeat the next “prodigy”, “which has no analogues in the world,” which will soon go to the troops in thousands of copies,
    I don’t remember something when "thousands of copies" were voiced.
    In general, in politics, every statement is given at the moment when it is necessary. And if at a high level they said that there is a “wunderwaffle” and that this “wunderwaffle” is ready for delivery to the troops in the required quantities, then this statement was necessary. And far from always such statements are made for "domestic" consumption. I would even say almost never.
  18. 0
    31 July 2018 09: 12
    Let them sigh, it will calm them, the more unpleasant for them will be the understanding of what they see in the near future. what
  19. +1
    31 July 2018 09: 21
    Well then, such a surprise will be a foreign “partner”, such as, for example, calibers.
    1. +1
      31 July 2018 17: 49
      naive, this is not the USSR)
      here are billionaires close to the Kremlin - ento is possible! wassat
  20. BAI
    +2
    31 July 2018 09: 24
    And this is against the backdrop of the fact that the British are starting to develop the 6th generation, this is not counting the Franco-German aircraft (see the next article).
    1. KCA
      +5
      31 July 2018 12: 00
      Cheat? the citizens begin to develop the 6th generation? But not the 100500th? In fact, they have 5th generation FINANCE DEVELOPMENT starting in 2025, not even the first flight, which is the sixth?
  21. +7
    31 July 2018 09: 29
    As they were stupid and mediocre in power there, they couldn’t raise the economy for what year, as rams ran into a pension reform by saying that the economy would not rise without its solution. Here is their level, the level of zablab, then another question is, and what is the level of the top performers. There are many ways to boost the economy, they are described in economic textbooks, these clowns did not even bother to read them, but they are ruled by the country. Ugh disgusted and disgusted to look at all this. So the military Borisov is obtained from the same cohort. With the "pestle" will run through the fields of war.
  22. +1
    31 July 2018 09: 34
    Massive Su-57 will not be anyway. Our military budget is an order of magnitude smaller than the US. And even taking into account the faculty, it is still several times smaller. 50-70 cars would be already very good.
    And the fact that they are not allowed into the series and are finished with a file is for the better.
  23. +4
    31 July 2018 10: 09
    There is a normal process of mastering new technology. Just some of the people in recent years have managed to forget how it really happens, while others, due to their age, have never seen this.
  24. +2
    31 July 2018 10: 13
    they all told well, calculated, explained ... but you explain a few things to me:
    1. How much money did our Specialists develop new types of weapons?
    2. why didn’t they really plant anyone for the revealed large theft of money in our country?
    maybe these are links of one chain !?
    therefore, let's not scold ours for the fact that they put off something there, stopped working in some directions ... let everyone think so!
  25. 0
    31 July 2018 10: 19
    Quote: crashing
    There is a normal process of mastering new technology. Just some of the people in recent years have managed to forget how it really happens, while others, due to their age, have never seen this.


    That's it! Mastering new types of samples coming into service.
    Needs to be studied. Training of specialists is not one day!
    Retrain a bunch of managers and sellers on tanks to drive across the field, And fly in the sky! And this is without taking into account tactics and aerobatics.
  26. +5
    31 July 2018 10: 21
    The question arises: why then shout at the whole world? In addition to a careful chuckle on the basis of or quite too hard laughter, it will not bring.
    What do you mean why?! The people and the world also need to show that "we" in the sense - they (the taxis of Russia) are so awesome "managers"! No worse, and even better than in the USSR “damned” by them, but at the same time for some reason they get the Soviet developments from the storerooms, because with their “effective” management you can only create ... a “nanomobile”! wassat Therefore, it is necessary to "cheek" - after all, they do not know how to do the other, and most importantly, they do not want to be able to! sad
  27. +3
    31 July 2018 10: 27
    It’s not easy for the foolish people that if the work is stopped now, the price of the SU-57 will rebound even further with subsequent resumption. But can the accountant Kudrin, who seems to decide for the prime minister, understand this.
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  29. 0
    31 July 2018 10: 30
    It is likely to glue a dozen planes and spend another price on telling everyone how he is doing it all — cheaper than sawing a hundred other planes, and sawing them into scrap metal after 10-15 years.

    How much of this scrap costs in various mothballed parking lots throughout Russia, since the days of the USSR?

    There really is no money. Money for the Su57 was invested in Chelsea and from there they can not be taken from the word in any way.

    It is good that development is underway and the design school is somehow supported. A large number of people can live on one Su57 project. And not just live, but also develop new technologies. A social project of its kind.

    By the way, the much more expensive F22 is also not a very large car. produced under only 200 units.
  30. +2
    31 July 2018 10: 53
    Quote: Strashila
    ... At its core, stealth programs are comparable to the 80s Star Wars program ... huge costs with unclear effectiveness. ...

    Why are these mantras about the unclear effectiveness of stealth? Somehow the effectiveness of stealth in the fleet is not disputed by anyone, even in the Russian Federation ships are built according to stealth forms. No one disputes stealth in ammunition - all cruise missiles are built on stealth patterns, even in the Russian Federation. But damn it in the Air Force - still groans that "stealth is not obvious." Maybe it's time to admit that we just can’t stealth planes, than to come up with excuses?
    1. +1
      31 July 2018 11: 30
      Stealth is the next marketing move, which is not much masked. For radars operating in the decimeter range, the "invisibility" is perfectly visible, and this is quite an old 70s air defense system. Stealth rescues only air-to-air missiles at long distances, and even that from all. Nothing has yet been saved from missiles with an optical guidance component in the visible spectrum.
      1. +1
        31 July 2018 12: 00
        The highlight is the following: can 70s analogue radars give a command center for modern weapons? How do you answer this question?
      2. 0
        1 August 2018 04: 33
        If the "Stealth" is visible on the old air defense systems of the 70s, then why all the time using the subsonic and maneuverable as the F-117 ax in local conflicts (Iraq, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Iraq again) they shot down only 1 piece, and even with a tip not a radar, but a thermal imaging sight with direct visual interference?

        Please explain this clear logical contradiction.
  31. +3
    31 July 2018 10: 54
    There will be no SU-57, but there will be another hotbed of evil spirits (Ebn center) ..
    A vivid indicator of true (not declared) priorities
  32. +1
    31 July 2018 11: 13
    The sanctions, no matter what the Kremlin propaganda says, and the economy, too conditioned by the constantly fluctuating hydrocarbon market, have had a very negative impact on various defense programs
    you can’t argue with this, evidence is an increase in pence. age, devaluation of nat. currencies, increase in VAT, refusal from serial production of the latest weapons
    The question arises: why then shout at the whole world? In addition to a careful chuckle on the basis of or quite too hard laughter, it will not bring.
    and rightly so, in general I share the opinion of the author
  33. +1
    31 July 2018 11: 16
    Something I don’t remember rival Italian aircraft
  34. +4
    31 July 2018 11: 18
    In the realities of modern warfare, practice shows that the device is more useless than the tricks. And the presence of nuclear weapons brings all the advantages of modern technology to zero. Do you gentlemen really believe that NATO will fight with us honestly? The times of huge armies remained in 60s of the last century. Asymmetric answers are our everything and planned rearmament to help them!
    1. +2
      31 July 2018 13: 58
      "In the realities of modern warfare, practice shows that the trickier the device, the more useless it is."
      For example?
  35. +4
    31 July 2018 11: 58
    While the military will take a squeal of screaming scammers like "a laptop case is half its cost, because it is made manually from a single piece of aluminum" (a real quote from the news about the exhibition) - the military budget will not be enough for anything.
  36. +1
    31 July 2018 12: 08
    The sacred duty of every patriot in this difficult time is not to mock the Minister of Defense.
    Genegal L.V. Shebarshin
  37. 0
    31 July 2018 13: 09
    who pulls him for his chat ??? probably he does not belong in the army !!!
  38. +1
    31 July 2018 13: 20
    No, well, why do such a title ???
    Shit on the fan throw?
    There will be a SU-57. Where did you see the phrase that it WILL NOT? I also did not hear and did not see .....
    It was said that mass mass production will not be. No more and no less. Those. SU-57 will be made specifically to order the VKS in those counts in which the VKS will need. That's all.....
  39. 0
    31 July 2018 13: 22
    hmm ... and what kind of vegetable do I have Ukrainian. checkbox next to nick?
  40. +1
    31 July 2018 13: 24
    Quote: siberalt
    If you decide to save on retirees, then it’s not up to the military budget. The system must be changed! winked

    I’ll clarify a little not to save on pensioners, but to rip off a block of wool from future pensioners, which is clearly not enough for the military budget, well, maybe someone will go for a new Swiss watch ...
  41. +1
    31 July 2018 13: 37
    I don’t believe Igor Borisov! As they say “Let They Speak” ..... Whoever doesn’t speak, but makes such expressions in order to dust their brains !!! Russia will not abandon the 5th generation aircraft! And the fact that Kudrin cut military spending by on the official level, this does not mean anything! There are private organizations in the military-industrial complex, all new developments are made through them, and no sanctions on these companies apply to them !!!!
  42. 0
    31 July 2018 13: 37
    We will NOT have aircraft carriers — soon the UNDERWATER (!) “Mosquito” fleet will turn any Aircraft carrier into an “ideal super target” - and it will be IMPOSSIBLE to save it. Even the AMERICANS understood this, and they are going to quietly “turn off” their Carriers and the program for the further development of their “Carrier Fleet” quietly. TU-160 is the BEST (!!!) "strategist" in the world, and we need MORE - up to 50 pieces. When there will be “engines” for the SU-57, then there will be the SU-57 itself - possibly with “corrected” errors as a result of the TEST operation of the first DOZEN.
    PAK YES - "cat in a poke" and "superobject" for CUTTING. Not up to him now.
    In general, you need to work SYSTEMALLY, DO NOT pay attention to anyone, and simply refers to all these "comments of the benefactors" - "we saw them in the grave." As it was in the USSR! Back in USSR!
    I wish you all success in working on advanced TECHNOLOGY!

    starley air defense A. Morev
  43. 0
    31 July 2018 13: 46
    Yes ... the Su-57 is capable of transporting. Never thought...

    I wonder why I have little interest in a similar topic?

    Probably because there are enough other problems in the world. And the topic of “transportation” with the help of SU-57 is not of any interest to anyone.

    It’s ridiculous to think.
  44. 0
    31 July 2018 14: 13
    We need to be on the cutting edge of military technological progress to have modern weapons models brought to serial production but not to enter the arms race having only the necessary parity no more than that. In general, everything is correctly done. We need to understand the axioms of weapons. There is never much. It is never outdated (since phase of testing prototypes) We will never catch up with the United States because we do not have a printing press and American morality and history (We twice lost our gold reserves + all accumulations The United States only had our collapses. I don’t blame them. It’s just a fwct of history.) Based on these real things. We’re not going to fight anymore, but will attack until we have an answer. And the new fighter will be a little later and a little better since the refusal to produce is not a refusal from improvement and new developments To all beaver and all the troubles
  45. +4
    31 July 2018 14: 16
    And are these in our power? Tricks and enemies of the people! Was it worth silently accepting the death of the Union? Russia, where is your new Stalin?
  46. +5
    31 July 2018 14: 22
    It is possible to make a miracle with an experimental series, throwing all the frail resources on it ... After all, the system of vocational schools, all vocational education institutions has collapsed, I just am silent about the prestige of working professions ... Working professions now are service workers, construction workers, warehouses, plastic windows, watchmen and so on. Those who produce something serious and especially important can be counted on the fingers ... ITR professions are also unpopular, there is no full-fledged change of personnel, the new generation does not replace the older one ... The development and development time is very long compared to the USSR ... Technological lag constantly growing ... A very big dependence on imports, just a sea of ​​imported components is required ... And they reduced their production and ditched, so they switch from one imported product to another ... Well, when, for example, is the “hero” of Serdyukov leaving it Msya directs, then the curtain can be lowered ... Oranges will not be born from aspen ..
  47. -1
    31 July 2018 14: 44
    Fools only look at the budget, it’s immediately clear that this liberal bastard, because in the West they rely only on the budget.
  48. +3
    31 July 2018 15: 33
    Well, as usual, the rearmament was merged, with shouts - there is no money (although where will they come from if we don’t build enterprises in 25 years, we just pump energy and feed the oligarchs). What happens to a state in which a weak army I think everyone knows ... Hoping for one nuclear warhead is just as stupid because it is not a panacea for everything
  49. +1
    31 July 2018 16: 30
    This has already happened. All repeats. The Ka-50 was adopted by a very small batch, squeezed out of it the Ka-52. The new aircraft has diseases that always manifest themselves in trials. Of course, it’s cheaper to fill up with already proven Su-35s, the plane can already be said to be “licked” and brought to standard. But still prestige. Where is he?
  50. +1
    31 July 2018 16: 51
    So soon they will return to that — why do we need an army at all? It was like that in the 90s. Apparently, everything is returning. But the supreme horror brought on for some time and Zaputintsy beat in orgasm a little ...
    So "why do you need, son, sandals, you still have not taken the little thing" .. (C)
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  52. +1
    31 July 2018 17: 34
    RUSSIA cannot be defeated, but it can be CORRUPT - Allen Dulles, the first director of the US CIA .. someone who decides to be or not to be a “bird” has had a blast in the brains of the CIA....
  53. +1
    31 July 2018 17: 41
    Well, how can you not please your kindred spirits? At all times, the Gaidar-Chubais-Kudrin camarilla worked against the Motherland. It's only the beginning?! Do you see how they unfold?
  54. -1
    31 July 2018 17: 53
    They would put Borisov in a T-72 and fire from RPGs, ATGMs and anti-tank missiles. And then pull it out and ask: sikoko ta nabisoko lisusu? If he stays alive... laughing tongue wassat
  55. 0
    31 July 2018 17: 55
    Quote: Dangerous
    "In the realities of modern warfare, practice shows that the trickier the device, the more useless it is."
    For example?

    They will use EMP bombs and missiles and that’s it. You can hammer nails with a tablet... laughing tongue wassat
  56. +3
    31 July 2018 18: 26
    The capitalist system always measures everything by profit. By the way, Germany lost in many ways to the Soviet Union in World War II, unable to withstand competition with the socialist economy. Germany has private firms, tenders, contractors, and so on. And in the USSR, Comrade Stalin - “You will experience for a long time patience of the party and government?
  57. +3
    31 July 2018 18: 28
    What a pity that everyone who knows what to do and how to run the country... already works as taxi drivers... or journalists.
  58. 0
    31 July 2018 19: 50
    Well, that's all that needed to be proven. This article is in defiance of the categorical assertion of jingoists that there is so much money in the budget that there is nowhere to put it, in a word, like a beggar’s foot wraps.
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  60. 0
    31 July 2018 20: 28
    "Serial production of the Su-57 at this stage does not make sense and will occur only after the older fighters of the fourth generation of the Russian Air Force will lag behind their Western counterparts."

    This is all explained very simply and easily by the phrase of one figure:
    - No money left! But you hang in there! (c)
  61. +2
    31 July 2018 20: 51
    Quote: Genry
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Not okay.

    The Subsoil Law cannot change the effect of a higher law (Constitution). Its preamble says:
    "The legislation of the Russian Federation on subsoil based on the Constitution of the Russian Federation and consists of this Law and adopted in accordance with it other federal laws and other regulatory legal acts, as well as laws and other regulatory legal acts of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation."
    That is, if in this law there is a contradiction with the Constitution (and it has not been finalized), then the provision from the Constitution will act. In addition, there may be a provision in another law that additionally resolves this issue without contradicting the Constitution. If not, then the decision can be made in court (all conflicts of laws are resolved this way) or if it was resolved earlier then it is executed in the same way.
    To legitimately eliminate this conflict and to avoid possible situations with the seizure of natural resources, it is necessary to amend the Constitution. And you want to shut up this question. am

    You just said something stupid, even a few stupid things. Thus showing the level of one’s, ahem, literacy. Short:
    - The law on subsoil does not violate the Constitution, it only clarifies and specifies some of its provisions
    - The law on subsoil cannot be “not finalized”, since it has been adopted and is in force
    - Since there were and are no contradictions with the Constitution in this Law, no “changes in the Constitution” to eliminate these “contradictions”... are required.
    Like this request
    1. 0
      1 August 2018 10: 54
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      You just said something stupid, even a few stupid things. Thus showing the level of his, ahem, literacy.

      Now let's see yours...

      Quote: Golovan Jack
      - The law on subsoil does not violate the Constitution, it only clarifies and specifies some of its provisions

      You can’t, so as not to shave... I didn’t write about violations.
      The laws of Russia, for the most part, by inertia, are heirs to the laws of the USSR. They changed some things, but left a lot unfinished. There are a lot of inconsistencies and contradictions, especially after the adoption of the new Constitution. There are no laws at all, for example on the constitutional assembly. If you listened to the speeches in the Duma, you would often hear phrases about changing some provision due to the contradiction of one law to another.
      And the question is: how is private ownership of natural resources specified?

      Quote: Golovan Jack
      - The law on subsoil cannot be “not finalized”, since it has been adopted and is in force

      Have you not read the law you are referring to? There are a lot of improvements (edits) there. And was it inoperative before the amendments?

      Quote: Golovan Jack
      - Since there were and are no contradictions with the Constitution in this Law, no “changes in the Constitution” to eliminate these “contradictions”... are required.

      If there are no contradictions, then why did you bring me this law? You are simply obstructing the topic of changing the flawed provisions of the Constitution. In this case: "Land and other natural resources may be located in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership. "

      Quote: Golovan Jack
      You just said something stupid, even a few stupid things....
      This now applies to you....

      Quote: Golovan Jack
      That's it request

      Yes, but not according to you...
  62. +1
    31 July 2018 21: 00
    Well, in general it’s said very correctly: boasting about something that doesn’t exist and won’t happen is stupid! But even to churn out SU-57s - what to do with them? Cutting up old planes, which are cheaper to maintain and, in principle, are already in massive downtime - there is no war yet, and if suddenly there won’t be, then why rivet them?.. About the Navy the same way: block all the ports with ships, so that later the brain to break it, how to get the desired ship out through a pile of scrap metal? And what's the point of building them if suddenly there won't be a war? But there may very well not be a war! Well, those in power don’t like it when atomic missiles are fired at them! And then they don’t want to live in bomb shelters for 50-100 years either! Who will envy them later on an empty planet? After the current war, there won't even be any zombies or mutants left! :)))
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  64. 0
    31 July 2018 23: 17
    Is it possible to ask the author of the document to reduce the military budget and the SU-57 program?
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  66. 0
    31 July 2018 23: 43
    Almost 10 years of trumpeting to the whole world to leak everything.....this is so in our opinion fool
  67. 0
    1 August 2018 00: 24
    This is what I was talking about a year ago, which was clear even then to any person who knows how to add 2 and 2.
  68. 0
    1 August 2018 00: 30
    But I don’t understand why Borisov was talking about the production of “combat ekranoplanes” in Russia? Is it nonsense or just can’t be trusted?
    1. +2
      1 August 2018 00: 45
      no new types of weapons will appear in Russia... they won’t give it... there is no need for an oil colony to fight... curtain
  69. 0
    1 August 2018 02: 53
    IMHO, there is no need, as well as money.
  70. 0
    1 August 2018 08: 56
    Russia's military budget has grown for 19 years in a row. It would be better if the money was given to pensioners. For the first time in 19 years, it was reduced. Now there are few tanks.
  71. 0
    5 August 2018 11: 12
    Well written. An objective and adequate view reveals the power of dignity to both the person and the environment. The media needs to be restructured, not to copy Western media, but to show the beauty of the truth. Boastful loudmouths, liars, traitors who assert themselves in the media, flog themselves in advance on Red Square in their underpants, and then make them drink vodka - let them write the truth..
  72. 0
    6 August 2018 01: 57
    Something tells me that people abroad are exhaling joyfully early. Actually, what Borisov said: “Serial production of the Su-57 at this stage does not make sense and will happen only after the older fourth-generation fighters of the Russian Air Force lag behind their Western counterparts.” Does serial production of the Su-57 at this stage without second-stage engines and testing of new missiles make sense? That's it. In addition, it is necessary to set priorities in the adoption and serial production of new weapons and, above all, strategic carriers of nuclear weapons. We do not live in the USSR, but in capitalist Russia and we have what we have. And the Su-57 will certainly go into production when it is ready.
  73. 0
    21 September 2018 14: 34
    Why do we need Armata if there is “Freedom Fighter Comrade Lenin”? He took it off the pedestal, stuck a laser and an Abramsam khan instead of a cannon.
  74. 0
    22 October 2018 23: 24
    I think that the PAK DA corresponds to the Tu-160 for its intended purpose. I believe that there is a “Freudian slip” and inattention to detail.