"Zamvolta" continue to break. Double sensation

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Not that “the neighbor's cottage burned down - a trifle, but nice,” but a fact. If the newest American destroyer "Michael Monsour" had not made everyone happy with a breakdown, maybe news would have flown by. And so - sorry.



A breakdown of this level (one of the two main turbine engines) - this, of course, will be cool to start. The DDG-1001 "Michael Monsour" is the second destroyer of the three. All ships of this type use Rolls-Royce Marine Trent-30 gas turbines. British turbines were considered to be one of the most powerful in their class, but nobody said anything about reliability.

The royal Navy of Great Britain, the warships of Italy and the Republic of Korea are equipped with exactly the same turbines. And here ... Oddities further.

However, for the Zamvolt class destroyers, this technical fault is far from the first. And, as it becomes clear - not the last.



“Monsura” was dragged to the port of Bath in the state of Maine, where they tried to decide its future fate in terms of the complexity of the repairs and the timing. I remind you that tests of the ship are underway, and the next stage was to be the check of all combat systems.

Experts using a borescope found damage to the blades of the turbine and generally sentenced her to replace.

The US military decided to change the turbine completely, without bothering to repair. As I understand it, the failure of the blades is so serious that there is nowhere else.

Meanwhile, replacing half the propulsion system (this is still unknown, by the way, in which state the second half is there) is not a quick and expensive thing.

In San Diego, on the basis of the US Navy, where the next test phase was supposed to begin, Monsura is not expected until autumn. October November. And "just something" 20 million dollars. That is the cost of the work of engineers at General Dynamics Bath Iron Works, responsible for building the ship, and specialists at Rolls-Royce.

What does this mean first? As well as the complete absence in the Western press of screams on the subject of “a, Krivorukovy!”, All this suggests that the repair is NOT WARRANTY.

There is an opinion, and it is not only mine, that the crew put their hands on the damage to the turbine.

However, what really little things! If for Zamvoltov in general, and for Michael Monsur in particular, breakdowns were something epically rare ...

Let us recall how last December the Montsuru had to interrupt the tests and return to the port just a day after departure. The filter system protecting the ship’s electrical equipment failed (completely failed). As a result, the destroyer lost the ability to use the electrical network at elevated loads and stood up for repairs.

And the situation is quite funny. For almost a year, Monsur has been on probation, but they don’t see the end-edge.

Of course, for a new ship, a malfunction is normal. For this and need, in fact, the test.

However, not only Michael Monsour faced problems, but also his predecessor from the Zamvolt series, DDG-1000.

Everyone remembers the case that caused us "a feeling of deep satisfaction" when Zamvolt crashed into the wall of the Panama Canal due to engine failure?

The reason for the failure of the main power plant was sea water, which in some incomprehensible way penetrated two of the four bearings connecting the engines of the ship with its drive shafts. It is clear that the bearings are jammed, and the shafts could not perform their functions. "Zamvolt" cracked lightly, the damage was purely cosmetic, but according to prestige it hit not weakly.

Here, some readers may immediately recall "Admiral Kuznetsov." Let's put it this way: a frankly old cruiser is one thing, another is the newest destroyer. One thing, the power plant, which smokes, but still moves the ship where he needs, and the power plant, which cannot do this at all, is quite another thing.

There is a difference.

It is clear that navy US leadership is clearly disappointed with the "successes" of Zamvoltov. Who is pleased to get a dull dish instead of a fancy newest ship that costs more to repair than it does business?

This is still the third "Zamvolt" not launched. So we still have to watch how the life of this ship.

The third ship of the Zamvolt series - the DDG 1002 “Lyndon B. Johnson” will be the third and last ship of the series. On it, the production of destroyers of this type will be discontinued.

It is clear that a rather pragmatic approach to expensive ships played a role. After the start of work on the construction of ships in the United States were going to 2030-s to produce 30 such destroyers. But the current policy of Trump put on a fat cross. And the number of ships reduced exactly 10 times.

"Zamvolta" continue to break. Double sensation


Although I'm sure, folding the arms in the US will not sit down. It is just that an urgent (or not so) project will be invented that will allow the appropriate branch of the military-industrial complex to exist normally. Well, you can not just throw on the streets of thousands of good American guys, just because the "Zamvolt" did not justify the hopes placed on it, right?

And just a couple of words on the topic of the day.

The Americans have the latest destroyers constantly breaking down. That, of course, is good. And the fact that they refuse to build new ones will also sadden anyone, but not us.

But the conclusion is somewhat sad in the end.

Destroyers of the USA break, but they are. Or break down because they exist.

We have something?

And we have ONE squadron destroyer of the “Sarych” type on the water with the 1991 of the year, “Persistent”. He is the flagship of DCBF, which, however, permanently for the last five years, if not more, has been under repair.

On the Black Sea, we have no such ships at all.

6 (six) is listed in the Northern Fleet. BOD (Large anti-submarine ships of the project 1155), in principle, the same destroyers. Candid veterans "Vice Admiral Kulakov" (in the ranks from 1981 of the year), "Severomorsk" (in the ranks from 1987 of the year), "Admiral Levchenko" (in the ranks of from 1988 of the year), "Admiral Chabanenko" (in the ranks of from 1999 of the year) . And one surviving destroyer of the project 956 "Sarych", "Admiral Ushakov" (in line with 1993 year).


BOD "Admiral Chabanenko"


And the ships of the project 1155 really scary only to submarines. Only Admiral Chabanenko and Admiral Ushakov have anti-ship weapons.

In the Pacific, it is still sadder. Of the three "Sarychey" in the ranks (from 1989 year) only "Quick", "Fearless" and "Stormy" in reserve. We know what it is, right?


EM "Quick"


Veterans of the 1155 project, too. Conditional destroyers "Admiral Panteleyev", "Admiral Tributs", "Admiral Vinogradov". And "Marshal Shaposhnikov" in repair.

That's all…

You can, of course, gossip at the American sailors who hit the turbine on the Zamvolta, but somehow the fuse disappears when you look at the fact that the Americans still have 65 (sixty-five) destroyers Arly Burke. The oldest of which is in service since 1991, and can carry "Tomahawks".


EM "Arly Burke"


So Americans can afford in such a situation and expensive, and long-term repairs. Unfortunately for us, there is something to envy.
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  1. +10
    30 July 2018 06: 06
    A decline in the qualifications of workers is a global trend ... Almost everyone can drive with their hands ... A nut will be machined with a tolerance of a few microns ... This has to be studied for thirty years ...
    1. +25
      30 July 2018 09: 10
      Well, what ships? There is no money, but you hold on, there is no money for su50, there is no money for t14, there is no money for a moment35, there is no money for c350, but you hold on, all the money goes to the oligarchs, then over the hill, that's all.
      1. +6
        30 July 2018 09: 24
        If all the money for the oligarchs then what is being built at all shipyards?
        1. +13
          30 July 2018 09: 36
          Quote: Fungus
          If all the money for the oligarchs then what is being built at all shipyards?


          boats are being built so that Putin can ride shoigu in parades. There are no ships in the ocean zone, Obama said that Russia is a regional power.
          1. +4
            30 July 2018 13: 16
            Are tankers, cranes. corvettes. is the submarine a boat?
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              1. +3
                30 July 2018 14: 59
                And how, in the event of a large-scale war, will large ships leave, for example, the Black Sea? We still do not compete with the US military budget. And where will they go? To die in an honest unequal battle in the ocean? Maybe the mosquito fleet and submarines are still better for us and cheaper
                1. +3
                  30 July 2018 15: 20
                  Quote: igorbrsv
                  And how, in the event of a large-scale war, will large ships leave, for example, the Black Sea? We still do not compete with the US military budget. And where will they go? To die in an honest unequal battle in the ocean? Maybe the mosquito fleet and submarines are still better for us and cheaper


                  in the black and Baltic sea destroyers are not needed, you can do with watchdogs, but on the oceans and the Mediterranean Sea you need good destroyers and not a few, not just a leader, but something Russian.
                2. +5
                  30 July 2018 16: 06
                  Quote: igorbrsv
                  Maybe the mosquito fleet and submarines are still better for us and cheaper


                  If a real, full-blown conflict with all of NATO and the States, then ... Yes! But for the "partners" with their mighty ships, there will also be no place on the map.

                  But what about the interests of the Russian state in remote corners of the globe?
                  The most striking example for you is Syria.
                  There is no way to get a mosquito fleet here. It’s good that from the Black Sea along the Bosphorus it’s not so critical, but if you have to go to Cuba, let’s do it?
                  If we are positioning ourselves as a great Power, then we must have the instruments corresponding to it (the ocean fleet), but on the bill ... "there is no money," there is another topic, here I do not argue. hi
                3. 0
                  2 September 2018 07: 35
                  At this historical stage, yes.
              2. +8
                30 July 2018 15: 42
                I just see that different ships are building. And this is under Putin's Russia. In previous Russia they were only sawed. And in the next one just can’t build. So you have to be a realist, not a whiner.
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                    1. +2
                      30 July 2018 17: 30
                      Quote: Arberes
                      We do as we can and as much as we can. So far, only “Karakurts” are relatively quick to get and “Varshavyanka”, but Russia has no other way.


                      we can do more, our production capacities are not 100% loaded, our production is idle, and people are unemployed and all this is done in order not to spend money and not pay salaries to people.

                      Quote: Arberes
                      the current president or the next, but the fleet will have to be developed is just a matter of time and an urgent need.


                      the need for the ocean fleet is not a whim, but the demand of the times. If you equip the fleet with zircons about which there is so much talk, then the potential threat can be pushed away from the borders and lost time and wait for the next president - it’s not reasonable, you need to make this work.
                      1. +3
                        30 July 2018 17: 42
                        Quote: Bar1
                        we can do more, our production capacities are not 100% loaded, our production is idle, and people are sitting without work


                        Isn’t import substitution a problem? Do you not consider the Ukrainian factor?

                        Quote: Bar1
                        not reasonable, it must be forced to work.


                        Yes, now what? Another 5 years in the galleys (especially you can no longer tear) and is free.
                    2. +1
                      30 July 2018 19: 47
                      To the point, dear! They want everything fast now.
                  2. +14
                    30 July 2018 16: 43
                    I see that many ships are being built. Previously sawed current. I see that the sailors do not climb out of the campaigns. Previously, they stayed at home only. I see that the exercises are ongoing. Before a couple of times a year. And do not compare with the United States. There was no 90s where everything collapsed and their budget is huge. So not everything is so badly everlasting in Troll.
                    1. +4
                      30 July 2018 17: 20
                      Completely with you! wassat But still I want a corvette, destroyers and cruisers as well as aircraft carriers. stop
                      1. +3
                        30 July 2018 17: 26
                        Quote: Black Sniper
                        But still I want a corvette, destroyers and cruisers as well as aircraft carriers.


                        But who doesn’t want them?
                        After a long time, new destroyers will replace our surface cruisers.
                        Aircraft carriers? I’m even afraid to guess, but China is building, India is building, and we must. Resources, shipping, allies, areas with our submarines ... all this must be protected.
                    2. +2
                      30 July 2018 19: 31
                      I see that many ships are being built. And do not compare with the United States.
                      There are two problems in Russia, fools and roads, although there is one fact, roads are already a consequence ...
                2. +6
                  30 July 2018 16: 12
                  Quote: Fungus
                  And in the next one just can’t build.

                  Frigates are building (we are waiting for engines from Rybinsk), submarines are building. The pace of construction? Slowly agree, but do it all the same.
                  Quote: Fungus
                  So you have to be a realist, not a whiner.

                  I agree with you completely, there is no need to whine, you need to work and build up the pace.
                  1. +3
                    30 July 2018 17: 17
                    in 1989, VSMPO produced at the moment a record number of titanium by mass for aviation and marine production, and all this went to the needs of the national economy and the defense industry of the USSR. Today, 70% of titanium produced goes to Boeing, Airbus, Rolls-Royce (here they are turbine blades), Goodrich, etc. And only a miserable 30% for the needs of Russia. I understand that it’s not a single titanium, but still. There is production, but the products are for the needs of the US Navy. And at the moment, we all here in the city are delighted when Boeing, Airbus and others like them are ramping up production. So what a war, we already give them everything, for prices lower than the US ones.
              3. +4
                30 July 2018 17: 19
                Quote: Bar1
                Putin's Russia

                As I understand it, Russia is not your state!
                1. 0
                  30 July 2018 17: 32
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Quote: Bar1
                  Putin's Russia

                  As I understand it, Russia is not your state!


                  my state is the USSR.
                  1. +11
                    30 July 2018 17: 46
                    Quote: Bar1
                    my state is the USSR.

                    Why didn’t you die with him? Some kind of hypocritical statement !?
                    1. -2
                      30 July 2018 20: 08
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Quote: Bar1
                      my state is the USSR.

                      Why didn’t you die with him? Some kind of hypocritical statement !?


                      because the USSR is a GREAT RUSSIA, and Russia will never die, we will regain Ukraine and Kazakhstan, the Baltic states, and other Russian lands.
                      1. +7
                        30 July 2018 20: 33
                        And who are you? I just don’t understand, you have some kind of sect of your own, people who are not too healthy, someone tells you what to do and who is to blame where. But you don’t need to ascribe things that are largely sacred to many people. USSR, Russia and so on. Tamerlan do you want to go back to Russia? Oh beware :))))
                      2. +5
                        30 July 2018 22: 34
                        They wrote above. that there were no 90s in America. But with us these 90s are still not overcome. After all, we are still nominally 140 million, and not 250 as it was in the USSR.
                        And then suddenly "Putin's Russia is so bad, it does not build as many ships as under the Union" ...
                        So the UNION was, the USSR! Much has changed and much.
                        What is being done, I would like even more, but what is being built is not so small. Corvettes are being built, Varshavyanka. Frigates, for obvious reasons, there’s a delay, but three frigates of the Admiral series in the ranks and the Admiral Gorshkov too .. Nuclear submarines, icebreakers.
                        Well, since America has more of these boats? How many countries in the world have nuclear submarines? This is an elite club.
                        Well, the sanctions foiled the renewal deadlines for some of the naval units. It is necessary to be able and keep the blow. But we have every chance to free ourselves from the capture of strangulation.
                    2. 0
                      31 July 2018 21: 38
                      and here let me!
                      mine too if you want. and before we die we are forced to learn to explain how to live correctly and what to do right! This was taught only in the USSR!
              4. +3
                30 July 2018 20: 00
                "submarines that let in every 10 years?"
                I don’t know where they let them in, and water launches happen much more often. Commissioning 636.3 in 2015 - 2 pcs., In 2016 - 2 pcs., Bookmark 2 pcs. in 2017 and it is planned to bookmark 2pcs. in 2019.
              5. +1
                30 July 2018 20: 27
                You have strange values. It should be proud of the country and not the tanker big or small. Proud of people and what people do. You do not understand this, unfortunately. And I didn’t quite understand the logic - if it doesn’t, then why do you ask about pride in them, as it turns out a bit duplicitous.
        2. -1
          31 July 2018 05: 56
          Quote: Fungus
          If all the money for the oligarchs then what is being built at all shipyards?

          Your beloved thief oligarchs throw alms, the people didn’t give a damn for the construction of Schaub. In the amount of 0,0000000001% of stolen from Russia
          1. +3
            31 July 2018 12: 56
            If there weren’t even oligarchs, they would have to be invented so that some of their troubles and their own worthlessness could be attributed to some. After all, it’s so manly to always look for the guilty somewhere.
        3. 0
          26 September 2018 00: 22
          build for india pakistan and so on
    2. 0
      30 July 2018 16: 40
      Vard
      "This must be studied for thirty years ..."
      Put a soft sign where it should be, do not have to learn for a long time, however ... laughing
      1. +2
        30 July 2018 17: 31
        Would you be smart to make a soft sign lol
        1. +3
          30 July 2018 17: 47
          Quote: bloodsucker
          Put a soft sign where it should be, do not have to learn for a long time, however ..

          Quote: Black Sniper
          Would you be smart to make a soft sign


          Probably the next candidate for a teacher of Russian writing?
      2. 0
        2 August 2018 13: 06
        Unfortunately, the editor on my cell phone is not as powerful as on your computer ... hi
    3. +4
      30 July 2018 17: 43
      It's not about qualifications. Any new complex project is doomed to problems. What is their Zumwalt, what is our 22350. Therefore, they are more than two decades old and have been building Berks in large lots, that everything is fine-tuned and familiar there. If suddenly they begin to build zumwalt in large batches like Burke, then from the fifth ship all problems will be solved. The same goes for us. To build quickly and cheaply, you need to build ships of one project and many. And the ship from the fifth will be so.
    4. 0
      31 July 2018 06: 44
      Quote: Vard
      A decline in the qualifications of workers is a global trend ... Almost everyone can drive with their hands ... A nut will be machined with a tolerance of a few microns ... This has to be studied for thirty years ...

      Industry was destroyed intentionally in Russia, plundered, sold for a penny thieves (including the current oligarchs) surrendered to scrap metal. As I understand it, the goal was to destroy Russia, including through the destruction of the economy.
      What is built in Russia? What system will be in the country, slave?
      1. +2
        31 July 2018 13: 02
        You need to be treated, darling, you have this thing, well, you know, just don’t have the courage to admit.
        here are your words
        Quote: Alber
        So I understand the goal was to destroy Russia

        that is, there was something to destroy
        Quote: Alber
        What is built in Russia?

        Oppa - and now nothing has been built.
        Ok ok, I understand everything came from the USSR. And they also tried and destroyed it, and what was built in the USSR. Ok ok, everything came from the king. But he was overthrown. Yes, and what was built under the king. Everything went back to the time of Peter. And to him from the Principality. And to them from Byzantium, and to them from the Greeks, and to them from ancient tribes.
        All your crazy tales listened to many times. You and people like you howl about how badly you are in any topic, and the stove does not warm and the side has already recovered and everyone is to blame. And the most interesting thing is that whatever the country is, you will always cry and wail. Such a position is a mourner.
    5. 0
      2 August 2018 10: 46
      Who is there in us, Kaptsov drove drooling on the dead?
    6. 0
      19 September 2018 03: 56
      Quote: Vard
      A nut will be turned out with a tolerance of a couple of microns ... This must be studied for thirty years ...

      It’s easy to make a nut with such a tolerance, but assembling it to work reliably is still the task.
  2. +1
    30 July 2018 06: 14
    Let the Chinese order iPhones
  3. +13
    30 July 2018 06: 58
    By the way, yes ... I agree with the author. Whatever they say about life on American debt, about cutting it with a grand military budget, about breaking irons - but America has a Navy. Homogeneous, balanced, but it is .... And America builds ships mainly of the first class, not boats ... But in our ships of the first class build oligarchs and call them yachts ... Sadness what
    1. +2
      30 July 2018 07: 58
      Yes and figs with them. All their bases will be sunk by Poseidons. Ships with daggers and vanguards. In short, do not worry.
      1. +25
        30 July 2018 08: 42
        Quote: Fungus
        Yes and figs with them. All their bases will be sunk by Poseidons. Ships with daggers and vanguards.

        Fairytale ... storyteller laughing
        1. +1
          30 July 2018 09: 24
          Nope. Realist
          1. +2
            30 July 2018 16: 47
            Quote: Fungus
            Nope. Realist


            And here is your optimism - I personally like it! drinks
          2. +4
            30 July 2018 18: 39
            Quote: Fungus
            Nope. Realist

            Yeah. Fabulous.
            1. ZVO
              +1
              30 July 2018 20: 48
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Quote: Fungus
              Nope. Realist

              Yeah. Fabulous.

              Even more..
              Enchanting ...
      2. +3
        30 July 2018 16: 46
        Quote: Fungus
        Ships with daggers and vanguards. In short, do not worry.


        Where would we find so many “Daggers”?
    2. +8
      30 July 2018 09: 27
      Quote: Rurikovich
      .Pechalka

      Since 2000, when Vladimir Vladimirovich became president, the United States commissioned 42 destroyers of the Arly Burke type, three aircraft carriers in the Russian Federation, one of the surface ships of the first rank, and this is not a destroyer but a frigate. That’s the military budget of the Russian Federation 10 times less than the United States, then according to the idea of ​​the Russian Federation, it was supposed to build 4 destroyers and a third of an aircraft carrier, on average, Russian workers are paid, on an estimate, 5 times less than in the USA. The idea comes to mind that the rearmament of the Russian Federation is a big scam.
      Scam - a risky, dubious and unseemly business or enterprise with the goal of personal gain; synonymous with fraud, fraud and gamble
      1. +5
        30 July 2018 11: 42
        America has EM and a cruiser with AB to intimidate the colonies, and the Russian Federation does not intimidate the colonies and does not have them, more submarines are needed in number and power, minesweepers, auxiliary and mosquito ships, and on the oceans a small number of frigates.
        1. +2
          30 July 2018 12: 48
          Quote: vladimir1155
          and on the oceans a small number of frigates.

          Why are they there?
          The sail is lonely white
          In the fog of the blue sea! ..
          What is he looking for in a distant country?
          What he threw in the edge of his own? ...
          Quote: vladimir1155
          and the Russian Federation does not intimidate the colonies and does not have them

          So why in Syria are profiling national money?
          Quote: vladimir1155
          need more submarines in number and power

          Some submarines will not do the weather and the number of combat-ready in the Russian Federation is relatively small.
          Navy Kamran now would be welcome for Russia, but Putin gave it to him in 2003, there are no bases like and the ocean fleet is useless.
        2. +9
          30 July 2018 15: 00
          Quote: vladimir1155
          the submarines are bigger in number and power

          Where are they? We completed the 3 multipurpose nuclear submarines under Putin - Yasen Nerpa and Severodvinsk, and Nerpa was given to the Indians.
          USA - 16 Virginia and 1 Sivulf
          1. +2
            30 July 2018 15: 16
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            We completed 3 multi-purpose nuclear submarines under Putin - Ash Nerpa and Severodvinsk

            Are you joking?
            1. +3
              30 July 2018 15: 25
              Cheetah, of course :))))
              1. +3
                30 July 2018 16: 59
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Cheetah of course

                When the second Ash-tree will be adopted, then the United States is probably the third dozen Virginia exchanged.
              2. +2
                30 July 2018 17: 10
                Sorry to interfere in your conversation, dear colleagues hi
                BUT ... besides multipurpose nuclear submarines, did you somehow forget about the Borea boats with a ballistic arsenal? Of course, I understand that this is the "last argument" for humanity, but money, place and time have been spent on them, and this simply cannot be ignored. drinks
                1. +4
                  30 July 2018 17: 26
                  Quote: Arberes
                  BUT ... besides multipurpose nuclear submarines, did you somehow forget about the Borea boats with a ballistic arsenal?

                  Which need to cover MAPL, which we do not have. And a bunch of everything that we don’t have either. Money down the drain, in general.
                  1. +1
                    30 July 2018 17: 32
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Money down the drain, in general.


                    I say that these ships were made with funds allocated for them, time and place were spent on them at the shipyards. Wouldn’t have done “Boreas”, maybe “Ash” went faster. After all, the conversation is about time, the number of products released and the means.
                    Or did I misunderstand your discussion?
                    1. +2
                      30 July 2018 19: 22
                      Quote: Arberes
                      I say that these ships were made with funds allocated for them, time and place were spent on them at the shipyards. Wouldn’t have done “Boreas”, maybe “Ash” went faster.

                      Given the fact that Ash and Borey correlate in value as 1,5: 1 if not steeper in favor of ash, then in the best case, instead of 3 Boreev, we could count on 1 ash and 1 in the completion
                    2. ZVO
                      +1
                      30 July 2018 20: 51
                      Quote: Arberes
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      Money down the drain, in general.


                      I say that these ships were made with funds allocated for them, time and place were spent on them at the shipyards. Wouldn’t have done “Boreas”, maybe “Ash” went faster. After all, the conversation is about time, the number of products released and the means.
                      Or did I misunderstand your discussion?


                      Severodvinsk was made from the Soviet reserve.
                      Kazan was already made on its own.
                      Still do not.
                      For the price of Avik Ford it turns out.
                  2. 0
                    30 July 2018 20: 51
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Which need to cover MAPL, which we do not have. And a bunch of everything that we don’t have either

                    you are mistaken three times, there is, although a little, MAPL, although there is not much else, there is absolutely nothing else (except for submarines and minesweepers) to cover the submarines
      2. +3
        30 July 2018 15: 30
        “Since 2000, when Vladimir Vladimirovich became president, the United States commissioned 42 destroyers of the Arly Burke type, three aircraft carriers in the Russian Federation, one of the surface ships of the first rank, and this is not a destroyer but a frigate. Here’s the military budget of the Russian Federation 10 times smaller than the United States the idea of ​​the Russian Federation was to build 4 destroyers and a third of the aircraft carrier "
        In 2000, our GDP was ten times less than today in dollars, that is, 0,4 destroyers and 0,03 aircraft carriers, we could actually build
        1. 0
          30 July 2018 20: 21
          Quote: igorbrsv
          In 2000, our GDP was ten times less than today in dollars, that is, 0,4 destroyers and 0,03 aircraft carriers, we could actually build

          Russia's military budget in 2000 amounted to about 13 billion dollars, which is five times less than the highest in modern history, but then the average salary was 2250 rubles and in 2016 36700 rubles. These are complex calculations.
    3. 0
      30 July 2018 10: 43
      Quote: Rurikovich
      but America has a fleet. Homogeneous, balanced, but it is ....

      laughing Amazing! laughing
    4. +6
      30 July 2018 20: 44
      Don't you think this is a servile way of thinking?
      Oh, they say somewhere in the bar they build yachts, here are the bastards. Why am I not building so beautiful here? The mess. And in America there is a fleet, but you are starving.
      Not only that, if you pretend to the idea of ​​why, then pull out something out of context and insert in the form of the opponent's words the invisible.
      Are you trying to say something about America, ok, tell me, or just repeat another revelation? Debt is not debt - the point is that in the same America something is built and it is good, somewhere it should be bad. The fleet and army are so large and equipped, because they pay for themselves. With the help of the army, money is earned. This is not to be forgotten. And do not repeat someone’s mantra.
      And about yachts - open a project on kickstarter so that you can chip on a yacht and make life easier. So that you don’t have to look again where is what’s better and where would you envy or at least cheat from afar.
      After all, you are not one of those who will find these Oligarchs and investigate their activities, and then will speak objectively. You are one of those who already know everything and understand everything. And he will judge everyone. There is not far from one sectarian kolobrodit, you would sing a duet with him. It would download.
      1. +1
        30 July 2018 20: 59
        Quote: Red_Baron
        And about yachts - open a project on kickstarter so that you can chip on a yacht and make life easier. So that you don’t have to look again where is what’s better and where would you envy or at least cheat from afar.

        I don’t give a damn about these yachts - it’s a shame for my power! Parasites exist due to the fact that they do not belong, rob you like the last .....
        request There are no words ....
        A few months ago we were already discussing this topic, why we have such matters with the Navy. So your favorite "democratic" oligarchs have a fleet of yachts (the size of a frigate) worth a couple of divisions of 4 ships of these frigates themselves .... That is. the oligarchs, if they had thrown themselves off (well, hypothetically, suppose we didn’t buy a couple of football clubs in England-Germany, didn’t buy a couple of yachts with gold toilets) with money that they did not produce (oil-gas, minerals) for construction Fleet. You see, you wouldn’t be proud and proud of this year, but already have a couple of divisions of surface ships of the 1st class, which would cover at least a little the disgrace that is now called the Fleet of Russia. The detachment cannot even be gathered in pieces to protect interests where necessary ....
        Or is it better for “patriots” to play around with iPhones and look at Uncle Sam’s mouth wink
        1. +3
          30 July 2018 21: 17
          This is how your opinion is much clearer.
          Oligarchs, although not really oligarchs, but I do not know another word suitable, billionaires do not sound like that. But we will not go into any subtleties, because it can stretch extremely much. So "oligarchs" is an international concept. In their native homeland, where they earned their money, not everyone is happy with them, and their competitors and authorities are not always pleased, and people like them as much as possible. Therefore, it is better to keep money somewhere else, not at home. Well, here you will always be in captivity from other authorities. So it is not necessary to hope that those who took the money from the people do something good for him, and why do they need it, if they happen to just change their country of residence. What kind of yachts they have there is generally their own business. But do not equalize all under one comb. Because otherwise we become g .. something indecent like them. After all, there are a lot of people who are very rich but who do extremely much for people or for the country. And this is so easy not to find out - all this is not particularly advertised. Just look - oh some kind of museum actually oversees such a millionaire, and here the institute contains, and here it presented it to a technical library, and here a few people chipped in, including the bank owner on A, restaurateur and other people and helped some kind of nursery, to an orphanage, and so on ... And the fate of all is longer. And there is something to spit, but there is something to bow at the feet for. Only who will say where he stole or did wrong, but where did he atone? Do you not believe in God? then I don’t know who. And I believe :)
          But let's not do exactly what you want. We will work for the good of the country, teach children to love the country and the state. We will fight a little more actively for our interests without looking back at someone. And this is the people, the country will be able to make any fleet and anything. Individualities, unique personalities - never. While everyone will be a slave and dream only to eat deliciously, get drunk, show his coolness to others - nothing will happen. Because it all starts with education. And future billionaire billionaires, officials, deputies, the government are taken somewhere, and often from ourselves. So who to blame if what? ;)
      2. +1
        30 July 2018 23: 26
        I personally was a yacht owner, a beautiful high-speed one, I designed and glued it myself, if so enviable, take it for yourself and do it yourself, I sold it, because it’s expensive to maintain, and the old one is already
  4. +2
    30 July 2018 08: 57
    Oh, I look "sadness" has already been noted in the comments.
    1. +1
      30 July 2018 21: 01
      No, I will jump for joy and clap my hands when launching ...- tenth “Orly Burke” fool
  5. +4
    30 July 2018 09: 23
    what is the difference, how many and what destroyers and bpk we have. our navy is built around a nuclear submarine: 971, 949 - the main thing is that we have anti-ship missiles with a range of 600-1000 km. and target designation ICRC Liana. the U.S. Navy has only Harpoons with a range of 280 km - an easy target for MANPADS or AK-630
    1. 0
      30 July 2018 10: 54
      Quote: Romario_Argo
      our navy is built around the nuclear submarine: 971, 949

      I still understand why around 949 projects, and how many of their workers?
      1. 0
        30 July 2018 11: 47
        there is still a "favorite" mosquito fleet, MRK ave .: 22800, 21631 - 6x8 pcr, 1239 - 2x8pr, 1234 - 12x6 pcr; RKatera 1241 45х4 pcr = 65 units = 316 PCR in volley
      2. 0
        30 July 2018 11: 58
        949 project, and how many of their workers?

        5 workers + 3 for modernization, each under 72 Onyx or 105 Gauges + up to 28 torpedoes or + SLCM for the place of the part of the torpedoes 533-mm, another 655-mm TA - PLURA with a range of 150 km.
        * More RCC dagger would stick there
  6. +2
    30 July 2018 09: 40
    Quote: Romario_Argo
    what is the difference, how many and what destroyers and bpk we have. our navy is built around a nuclear submarine: 971, 949 - the main thing is that we have anti-ship missiles with a range of 600-1000 km. and target designation ICRC Liana. the U.S. Navy has only Harpoons with a range of 280 km - an easy target for MANPADS or AK-630

    Quote: Romario_Argo
    what is the difference, how many and what destroyers and bpk we have. our navy is built around a nuclear submarine: 971, 949 - the main thing is that we have anti-ship missiles with a range of 600-1000 km. and target designation ICRC Liana. the U.S. Navy has only Harpoons with a range of 280 km - an easy target for MANPADS or AK-630

    Unfortunately Liana ordered a long life! Now they are developing a new one, but FIG knows what will happen !!!
    1. +3
      30 July 2018 11: 51
      Unfortunately Liana - but FIG knows what happens

      That's it (!) Everything is working properly, SLCM, in Syria, fall right on target
      1. ZVO
        0
        30 July 2018 20: 57
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        Unfortunately Liana - but FIG knows what happens

        That's it (!) Everything is working properly, SLCM, in Syria, fall right on target


        And here is Liana and SLCM? Have you ever lost that thread of reality?
        , I’m completely lost from this character ....
        Without hesitation, it crosses a hedgehog and a hedgehog, and most importantly, sincerely believes in its infallibility ...
        Liana is not, he has it.
        Ships in the ranks are 3 times less than he writes.
        Antei is already armed with onyx and calibers ....
        Dreamer beyond permitted
    2. +4
      30 July 2018 17: 58
      Liana is the new one. If the Moscow Region does not lie, then it is already fully deployed for three years. The Soviet ICRC system was called Legend.
  7. +1
    30 July 2018 10: 59
    The third ship of the Zamvolt series - DDG 1002 Lyndon B. Johnson will be the third and last ship of the series. On it the production of destroyers of this type will be discontinued.

    ... and something like that? ... they planned to "fill up" all the Merikatos fleets with them ... on the campaign - as always crowed, but the morning has not come yet ... haliFood in action .... laughing
  8. +1
    30 July 2018 11: 38
    the Baltic EMs will not return to operation, 1155 are frigates, so there are only two EMs one at a time in the ocean, and they will serve several more years no more, Fast is already 31 years old, Russia rightfully abandons this class of ships that are not needed in the Russian Federation. Although of course it’s not such a bad ship, with the correct operation of the EU, it could still serve, it’s better than building a new frigate.
  9. +9
    30 July 2018 12: 18
    And the situation is quite funny. For almost a year, Monsur has been on probation, but they don’t see the end-edge.
    Of course, for a new ship, a malfunction is normal. For this and need, in fact, the test.


    I wouldn’t jerk.

    As a designer-technologist of the military-industrial complex by education, I can briefly describe what gives even the unsuccessful experience in building a small series.
    What gives trials and trial operation of a series of three ships?
    1. Ship construction - an invaluable experience in practical construction, which reveals all the mistakes of designers at the design stage.
    2. Development of construction technology - both nodal and cabinet. The completed stage of catch production, which in the future will be used to improve the ships of both existing and future projects.
    3. Tests reveal errors in the design or construction of nodes - an extremely necessary thing.
    4 Trial operation: confirms the inherent resources of units and mechanisms, or confirms or refutes the inherent concept, operational qualities and capabilities of the ship.

    Why a small batch is needed.
    In the first ship, deficiencies are identified that are eliminated in the second ship of the series.
    As a result, the third ship becomes the work on the mistakes of the first two and is the most perfect - usually some series of ships are multiples of three. According to the third ship, one can judge by the standard of the entire series, they are spared the shortcomings of the first two.

    Even if the Zamvolt destroyer concept does not justify itself, the construction of these ships will give the fleet a series of already developed modern units, mechanisms and systems for building the next generation of ships.
    At the same time, the production technology has already been worked out, there is construction experience and it is possible to establish a full-fledged series right away (the stages of trial operation have already been completed).
    This gives the American Navy a quality leap.
    1. +1
      30 July 2018 12: 56
      yes bulk on them is not enough prosrali all polymers. solid laughing saw cuts
    2. +1
      30 July 2018 21: 21
      You can read instead of the article.
  10. +1
    30 July 2018 14: 41
    "Destroyers in the US break, but they are."
    I would prefer a serviceable Cossack than ten shiny wheel-free Royces without wheels
    1. +5
      30 July 2018 15: 01
      Quote: igorbrsv
      I would prefer a healthy Cossack,

      Americans too. Therefore, they have in their fleet more than 80 RKR and EM "Ticonderoga" and "Arly Burke"
  11. 0
    30 July 2018 15: 18
    That's why she is about a new technique. While everything will bring to mind not a little time and money will be spent. It would be amazing if everything worked without problems right away.
  12. +1
    30 July 2018 16: 05
    But Trump’s current policies have put an end to this. And the number of ships was reduced exactly 10 times.

    Well, this decision was made long before Trump appeared in politics.

    EM "Quick" - in the photo, of course, he is, but almost all his life he wears the number 715 smile ancient picture
  13. +2
    30 July 2018 16: 22
    two of the four bearings connecting the ship's engines to its drive shafts.

    Too shy to ask, is that true? Until now, bearings have been used to reduce friction, but they connected the ship’s engines with drive shafts ,,,? Maybe drive shafts are needed to transmit torque to the screws? Once again, I apologize for the lack of technical literacy in matters of American shipbuilding. Apparently, translation difficulties? I remember an institute teacher complaining about a student who drew a gross line into the wheelhouse in a project. I sell the idea for free without his permission. Get a tsumvolt with a mansur! Shame on the American imperialists! Glory to the Russian shipbuilders!
    1. +2
      30 July 2018 17: 07
      Quote: 97110
      Until now, bearings have been used to reduce friction, and connected engines of a ship with power shafts ,,,?

      not connected
      probably it will be right
      1. +1
        30 July 2018 23: 30
        a grammatical correct phrase, “not” is not necessary here, for there is a question mark, and the sentence is complex, If it is complex, then you need “not”
        1. +1
          31 July 2018 07: 03
          Quote: vladimir1155
          the grammatical correct phrase, “not” is not necessary here,

          Then the letter “a” does not seem to be needed.
  14. +3
    30 July 2018 16: 30
    Rolls-Royce ship turbines broke before. The British do not shine with high quality. Otherwise, there is nothing wrong with the Zumvolts. They run in. They will build a third one. Each one plans to test different new weapons and different tactics.
    1. +1
      30 July 2018 21: 19
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The British do not shine with high quality.

      there is a Range Rover and there is Holland & Holland
  15. 0
    30 July 2018 17: 26
    Quote: Bar1
    Quote: Fungus
    I just see that different ships are building. And this is under Putin's Russia. In previous Russia they were only sawed. And in the next one just can’t build. So you have to be a realist, not a whiner.


    and what do you see? What are destroyers building? There are already 15 American virgin analogs of ash, and how many 1 piece and one piece are ash tested? What do you see your dreams? Or did Putin's praganda completely shut his eyes?
    You are not a realist but an opiumist, have seen enough of Putin's propagandons and the roof has gone.

    - The most important thing is not the number of ships, like the Americans, but the quality of the fight against them! "Donald Cook" has already tested our weapons on the Black Sea, after which the American sailors quickly fled ashore! And most likely they won’t go to the fleet anymore. tongue wink
  16. +1
    30 July 2018 19: 25
    It seems, somehow cleverly, in the article they cheated, yet the Russian Federation. Like - yes, they have (Americans), new destroyers are breaking down, but at least they have malfunctioning ones, but they have them. But in Russia there is nothing - they go around the world on a rubber boat and rejoice. But the naval parade in the northern capital showed otherwise - there are ships, and different, and on the go. Moreover, and
    not new and just lowered from the stocks.
  17. 0
    30 July 2018 20: 22
    I thought an article about Zamvolta, it turned out again about the fact that the Americans are still fools and how good it is when they have something broken.
    And I like Zamvolt. I would like for the Russian fleet to have several promising destroyers on which the latest technologies can be tested. And at the same time release aircraft carriers. But all at once does not happen.
    1. 0
      30 July 2018 23: 34
      new destroyers are not needed, this is the Stone Age, and the old ones play the role of coastal frigates, peacetime ships and flag demonstrators in the Navy
      1. +1
        30 July 2018 23: 52
        Let not destroyers, but another type. It is clear that this is a luxury. Have an experimental ship, in which everyone will poke a finger, and even tell why he surrendered to us. But samples of the new ergonomics of combat posts, recreational facilities, engine testing. I'm not talking about weapons. Reduced detection radius, testing UAVs of new types and sea-based.
  18. ZVO
    +1
    30 July 2018 20: 43
    Mr. author!
    If you give evaluative comparisons, then at least do not go so hard, almost "face into the mud" ...
    Learn the materiel, how tugboats rescued Kuzya, with a dead power plant from Greek reefs ...
    And why there is always a tugboat near Kuzey.
    Well it is, for general development.
    And that you would have an incentive to stop bearing pathos nonsense ..
    What, as I see it, are you doing well ...
    1. +2
      30 July 2018 23: 38
      in peacetime, it’s normal to have a technical closure as part of an order, especially since there are a number of fairly old ships, even tanks and missiles go to the parade with a technical closure, and this does not mean that they are not combat-ready, but if Kuzi’s engine had broken down then it’s It happens at all, even at Mercedes.
  19. +1
    30 July 2018 22: 56
    Red_Baron,
    we are Russians ...
    1. +1
      30 July 2018 23: 55
      Quote: Bar1
      we are Russians ...

      I will try to remember and can find your tribe among the Russian peoples.
      Free steppes, short-legged horses, crooked sabers, ravenous eyes. Timur.

      Kghm. But while living with us in Russia, please learn the Russian language.
      1. +1
        31 July 2018 07: 47
        Quote: Red_Baron
        I will try to remember and can find your tribe among the Russian peoples.
        Free steppes, short-legged horses, crooked sabers, ravenous eyes. Timur.
        Kghm. But while living with us in Russia, please learn the Russian language.

        There is a hypothesis about the origin of the Russians, Atilla had an uncle named Rua or Roas, so his tribes were called Russians.
        1. +1
          31 July 2018 13: 04
          There is a theory that Attilla was a Cossack, and therefore Ukrainian.
          And if they were called Russian, then there should be evidence of this.
          So you can call the Etruscans Russian.
          I am not a supporter of various anti-scientific theories in history.
          1. 0
            1 August 2018 09: 44
            Quote: Red_Baron
            There is a theory that Attilla was a Cossack, and therefore Ukrainian.

            kazak "free, independent person, adventurer, tramp."

            It goes well with Atilla. Why exactly a Ukrainian? The word is of Turkic origin.
            Although many tribes living on the banks of the Dnieper were subordinate to Atilla.
            Quote: Red_Baron
            I am not a supporter of various anti-scientific theories in history.

            A more or less normal explanation of why Russian nationality is indicated by the name adjective.
  20. +1
    31 July 2018 04: 50
    Well, not everything is so sad with us and not so bad with them. With Zumwalt, everything was clear from the beginning, too many innovations and bells and whistles in one car. When I heard that the rail gun was going to be the main weapon there, I ceased to be interested in this topic at all.
    1. 0
      31 July 2018 13: 11
      Is a weapon using electromagnetic principles? It seems that many times they mentioned and developed and tested an active-reactive system of increased range. Everything else seems even in some prototypes was not.
      But this is all nonsense, with the development of technology, many things become not just realistic, but suitable. The only question will be who will have experience on them.
  21. +1
    31 July 2018 10: 38
    The article forgot to recall the 12 year construction and testing of frigate 22350 in the amount of 1 piece, about how the turbine burned on it, about the failure of the diesel engine and about its acceptance by the fleet with an incomprehensible state of air defense performance. Compared to this, I think that with Zumwalt everything is ok)
    And no - I’m not a crest or a fan of everything
  22. 0
    5 August 2018 21: 08
    I would not gloat, these are powerful powerful ships, they will bring them to mind, and print paper dollars. Although Peter the Great is still here, he overtook them, we are waiting for Nakhimov after modernization.
    1. 0
      17 August 2018 12: 27
      Do not wait, I'm afraid.
      Even Chabanenko and Shaposhnikov can’t finish
  23. 0
    17 October 2018 19: 07
    And what about the seaworthiness of the "Zamvolt" type?