The return of the American laser?

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The new decision of the US military, it seems, can cause many questions. It concerns the ABL (AirBorne Laser) program, which implies the creation of an aviation complex armed with a laser for hitting ballistic targets. At the end of the last 2011 of the year, the US Congress demanded that the military collect their thoughts and analyze all their promising developments, which, for various reasons, have not yet yielded the expected result. This demand was caused by the fact that the Pentagon regularly complains about the lack of funding, regularly boasts revolutionary new projects and closes them no less regularly for the futility. Everything would have been nothing, but before closing, any such program has time to “eat” at least eight digits in dollar equivalent.

The return of the American laser?


The main complaints of the congressmen concerned two promising projects: a rail gun and an airborne laser. One of them, in the opinion of Congress, was supposed to be what is called “cost-optimized,” in other words, frozen or even closed. It is unlikely that the Pentagon or the DARPA agency were delighted with this proposal, but they could not refuse it either. I had to choose. As a result of the analysis and comparison, rail guns were recognized as more promising. Shortly after the military announced the results of these “elections”, it became known that work in the direction of railguns would be continued with new forces and tests of a full-fledged ship-based prototype would begin by the end of this decade. As for the ABL program and its main element - the Boeing YAL-1 aircraft, the work on them was turned off, and all the documentation was sent to the archive.

It would have been possible to gloat, they say, once again, they started playing in Star Wars, spent a lot of money and did not receive anything as a result. As a matter of fact, quite a few people have been doing this for the past six months. However, recent events in North Korea may cause a new round in stories ABL. When it became known about Pyongyang’s plans to launch the Quanmenson-3 satellite, some part of the world community literally got alarmed. There was talk that the rocket would not raise a satellite, but a warhead, and this is not an attempt to explore space, but a test of a ballistic missile. Considering the situation on the Korean Peninsula and the origin of the Enha-3 launch vehicle, all these statements do not look exclusively paranoid. In the course of the international discussion and condemnation of the Korean plans, some high-ranking US officials began to talk about the need to speed up work on creating a full-fledged anti-missile defense.

But talking is talking, and creating missile defense requires more serious statements and documents. In early May, the MDA agency (Missile Defense Agency) issued an official press release, which refers to the possibility of resuming the ABL program. There are several reasons. Firstly, the need for a mobile complex for intercepting ballistic missiles increases every year, and secondly, the available anti-missile defense facilities may have less efficiency in the future than an airplane with a laser. Finally, only Boeing YAL-1 spent about five billion dollars. This is not the amount you can forget and throw away by closing the project.



On the other hand, the renewal of ABL will not give the result tomorrow. At the time when the Pentagon decided to close this program, it did not constitute something that could be launched into the series from day to day. And the program as a whole, and individual directions for the creation of lasers (TILL, BILL, HEL), and attempts to install them on a flying platform more resembled research on the topic, rather than the full creation of a complete system. It is understandable, all the ABL program technique had to be done almost from scratch, and then also to make it compatible with each other. For these reasons, the projects have already cost a pretty penny. Yes, and in the future they will not be cheap, because all systems need to bring to mind, to ensure their suitability for mass exploitation, etc.

The most famous result of the ABL program is the YAL-1 aircraft, which has several lasers on board for detecting, tracking and attacking a target. Prior to the closure of the project, he managed to fly several hundred hours and destroy three training targets. The plans of the organizations involved in the project were still hundreds of flying hours and dozens of training interceptions. However, all crossed out the financial component of the experiments. Re-equipment of the finished Boeing 747-400 aircraft cost one and a half million dollars, and for one flight hour without the use of lasers it was necessary to spend about a hundred thousand. In addition to the high cost of testing, the chemical components used in the combat laser are highly toxic and require special attention. Ultimately, this also increases the cost of the program.

Nevertheless, it seems that the decision to resume the ABL program can already be considered accepted. Interestingly, talking about the North Korean threat can in principle be considered a sufficient argument for returning to a closed program. Given the state of ABL and the current capabilities of North Korea in the field of rocket production, it can be concluded that a full-fledged combat aircraft with a laser on board will be ready by about the time Koreans can build a serious medium-range or long-range missile. Both countries have to spend a lot of time to complete their projects. It is noteworthy that some US congressmen argue this way: if a potential enemy does not have missiles, then we do not need an anti-missile system either. And add to his argument some details of the estimates of the program ABL. In some ways they are right, which, however, does not affect the time needed for finishing ABL and YAL-1.

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  1. +1
    17 May 2012 08: 58
    Just paint the rocket with silver ... and that's it ... or twist it ... well, no matter how they calm down ... but actually what am I ... let it go on in the same vein ... whatever the child would be amused .. just to give money ... plus an article ..
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +11
      17 May 2012 13: 29
      Quote: ward
      but actually what am I ... let it continue in the same vein ... whatever the child might play ... if only they would give money ... plus an article ..


      Article definitely +! Respect to the author, competently and without the "heady" "endorsement" slogans!

      I do not minus anyone. the topic is complex and people may be "just out of tune"!

      Therefore, read on the sly and think whether it is worth continuing all your statements. like a "wunderwaffle" and the like!

      And advice for the future, which he gave more than once, before "something" is discussed, it is necessary to understand at least a little in "this" or to "face it" !!!

      And so it's all called .... kindergarten, not a discussion on the Army Forum!

      This is not a rebuke, but a WISH !!! drinks

      So, let's begin:

      On May 21, 20011 in Taganrog, Rostov-on-Don region, an "Doors Open Day" took place at the OJSC "Taganrog Aviation Scientific and Technical Complex named after G.M.Beriev".

      It presented samples of aircraft technology developed by TANTK.

      The greatest resonance was caused by the first demonstration to the open public of a sample of the A-60 experimental airborne combat laser complex (flying laboratory), the work on which was resumed by the TANTK in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense several years ago after a long break.

      The demonstrated second flight prototype of the A-60 (flying laboratory "1A2") was immediately filmed in detail with spotters.
      1. 755962
        +3
        17 May 2012 15: 06
        I’ll support you, Sergey! There are rumors that there is a combat version of the A-60.
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +6
          17 May 2012 16: 04
          Quote: 755962
          Rumor has it that there is a combat version of the A-60.


          Zhenya, you will divulge all our "secrets", but the people are still "playing" in the "wunderwafle" .... bully
        2. VAF
          VAF
          +3
          17 May 2012 23: 07
          Quote: 755962
          Rumor has it that there is a combat version of the A-60.


          [img] [center] [img] attachment: /62/5641d986d880.jpg [/ img]


          It seems like something like that ..... bully [/ img] [/ center]
          1. 755962
            +1
            18 May 2012 09: 50
            Quote: veteran.air force
            It seems like something like that ..

            And I thought .... just rumors. And here it is ...... request
      2. +4
        18 May 2012 00: 14
        The Americans have a roughly roughly continuous laser on an irremovable liquid working fluid ... we have a pulsed gas .... roughly one pulse ... one set ... this allows you to get the power in the pulse about two more .... well to illustrate, a flashlight and a flash ... and even the beam structure of the Americans is simple .. our flash contains essentially two radiation peaks ... first, the channel leader is burned out essentially ... and then the main stream goes ... like a lightning. .. this by the way can dramatically reduce the influence of haze or fog ... and in general in the creation extra high power lasers Azov Russia went into inaccessible gap ..
  2. Tirpitz
    +4
    17 May 2012 09: 12
    In the right way, let them spend currency on a laser. If only nothing good came of them. Yes, and to bring down a Boeing is not f-22. Let them be amused.
    1. rinzhak
      +3
      17 May 2012 09: 16
      Quote: Tirpitz
      In the right way, let them spend currency on a laser. If only nothing good came of them.

      no matter how the Russian army, this arms race didn’t sideways, in the sense that ignoring it (the arms race) Russia could remain an outsider. I never believed that the arms race was depleting the economy.
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +7
        17 May 2012 13: 39
        Quote: rinzhak
        ignoring her (arms race) Russia may remain an outsider. I never believed that the arms race was depleting the economy.


        The only plus in this "group" of comrades "discussing" this topic is +!

        In 1977, the TMZ began to create the first prototype of the A-60 - a flying laboratory "product 1A" for testing the main technical solutions of the complex.

        The Il-76MD (USSR-86879) aircraft became the base aircraft for the creation of the flying laboratory, on which deep modifications were carried out. In the bow, instead of the standard meteorological radar, a bulbous fairing with "special equipment" (presumably, radar detection and guidance and a laser guidance system) was installed.

        On the sides of the fuselage under the fairings, two AI-24VT turbogenerators with a capacity of 2,1 MW were installed, which ensure the operation of the laser complex.

        The laser unit itself was made with a retractable optical head in the compartment with sliding flaps located in the upper part of the fuselage behind the center section.

        Behind the wing there were fairings protruding beyond the fuselage contour with a profile similar to that of the wing.

        The cargo ramp remained, but the doors of the cargo hatch were removed and the hatch was sewn with metal.

        For the first time, the flying laboratory "1A" was lifted into the air on August 19, 1981 by a crew headed by test pilot E.A. Lakhmostov.

        The laser complex was mounted on an airplane in 1983.

        Fire tests of the laser complex from the board "1A" were started in 1984.

        It is known that several dozen shots were fired at a target (stratospheric balloon) located at altitudes of 30-40 km.

        In addition, firing on the La-17 aerial target was carried out.

        Whether firing on space objects was carried out - in open sources is silent.
    2. +3
      17 May 2012 12: 36
      What are you talking about? What currency do they spend on this prodigy. Or are you afraid of their printing press, so now you can dial the desired number in the right column and that's it, you don’t even need to print.
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +5
        17 May 2012 13: 42
        Quote: AK-74-1
        What are you talking about? What currency do they spend on this prodigy.


        In 1989, the flying laboratory "1A" (USSR-86879) burned down at the Chkalovsky airfield near Moscow.

        It is reported that the fire broke out when the technical composition tried to drain alcohol for "internal use" from the cooling system, which was under current.

        In the meantime, TMZ built a second flying laboratory "product 1A2" with a new version of the laser complex, modified according to the results of tests carried out on "1A".

        The Il-1MD aircraft (serial number 2), which received the same registration number USSR-76, was used as a base for "0013430893A86879".

        Outwardly, the second laboratory was similar to the first.

        The first flight of "1A2" took place already in the troubled days of the agony of the Soviet Union - on August 29, 1991, the car was piloted by a crew headed by test pilot V.P. Demyanovsky.

        The collapse of the USSR and a sharp reduction in military expenditures predetermined the then fate of the A-60 program - in 1993, work on it was discontinued, and the 1A2 board was laid up in Taganrog. TANTK continued in the next decade sluggish work on the A-60 on its own initiative.
    3. VAF
      VAF
      +4
      17 May 2012 13: 32
      Quote: Tirpitz
      In the right way, let them spend currency on a laser.


      The creation of the Soviet airborne combat laser system was started in the mid-seventies, the Taganrog Machine-Building Plant was selected as the head developer (TMZ, since 1989 it has been called the TANTK named after G.M.Beriev), which then after curtailing the bulk of the work on hydroaviation was reoriented to create special aviation systems.

      The main purpose of the Soviet airborne combat laser system, as can be judged, was the failure of American military low-orbit artificial satellites, primarily optical reconnaissance satellites of the KN series.


      The experimental air-based combat laser system was designated A-60 and the Il-76MD transport aircraft, the re-equipment of which is carried out in Taganrog, is used as a base for it.

      Deputy Chief Designer at TMZ for the A-60 complex was V.D. Zareba, the lead designer on the plane was Yu.A. Bondarev.

      The laser complex was developed by the Almaz Central Design Bureau (now part of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern) and the Chemical Automation Design Bureau. Laser, presumably, gas-dynamic carbon-based on liquid elements, megawatt power class.
      1. Eugene
        +4
        17 May 2012 13: 35
        Sergey, if memory serves me right, then it seems that this system is again in testing?


        like their emblem, satellite - like the American intelligence, forgot the name.
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +7
          17 May 2012 13: 45
          Quote: Eugene
          if memory serves me right, then this system seems to be on tests again?



          Absolutely, +! good

          Now I will just lay out all the material for this "theme" !!!
  3. borisst64
    +6
    17 May 2012 10: 23
    A negative result also has its advantages, however paradoxical it sounds. If the money spent on research, and not stolen, experience is gained, methods and much more that you can’t buy and imagine.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +6
      17 May 2012 13: 49
      Quote: borisst64
      If the money spent on research, and not stolen, experience, methods and much more are gained that you can’t buy and imagine.


      Another +, but only for the second part of the comment! good

      Improving funding for the Russian Armed Forces in recent years has allowed a return to a number of ambitious Soviet military programs, including the A-60.

      Apparently, the continuation of work in the USA on an airborne combat laser of the Boeing YAL-1 (ABL) anti-ballistic missile served as a certain incentive for this.

      According to reports, the decision to resume work on the A-60 was made in 2005, and the complex was included in the State weapons programs for 2007-2015, and then for 2011-2020.

      In the past few years, TANTK has received very extensive funding under the A-60 program.

      This made it possible to restore, repair and modernize the flying laboratory "1A2" (current registration RA-86879), which apparently received an updated laser complex, now mounted in a characteristic hump-shaped fairing in the upper part of the fuselage behind the center section.

      In 2010, it became known about the resumption of the 1A2 flight test program in Taganrog.

      The chief designer - Deputy General Designer of TANTK on this topic is N.A. Stepanov.
  4. smprofi
    +3
    17 May 2012 12: 06


    Well, Northrop Grumman (this is not an ABL program) has not yet minimized his laser weapons program.

    http://www.irconnect.com/noc/press/pages/news_releases.html?d=254109
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +7
      17 May 2012 13: 52
      Quote: smprofi
      its laser weapons program until it collapses


      Judging by the emblem on board "1A2", the development of the A-60 complex is being carried out as part of the Sokol-Echelon development work.

      The mention of the Sokol-Echelon R&D project in open sources was first encountered in the annual report of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern for 2005, and subsequently flashed in subsequent annual reports of the Concern and in the reports and press releases of a number of other defense enterprises and research institutes (in particular, NIIKI OEP in Sosnovy Bor).

      As can be judged, the main target of the A-60 complex is the defeat of the optoelectronic systems of American satellites (primarily, early warning) of the promising US missile defense system.

      In an article published in No. 2 for 2011 of the Military Parade magazine, the head of the Armament Department of the Ministry of Defense of Russia A.V. Gulyaev said that "an airborne laser complex for functional destruction of optical-electronic systems of spacecraft in a promising US missile defense system (Sokol-Echelon) will be included in a promising air defense system."

      Now you can discuss ??? !!! fellow
      1. Eugene
        +3
        17 May 2012 15: 01
        When I saw these photos, a couple of questions arose immediately.

        The laser, as I understand it, is similar to that of a Boeing in the bow, but why isn’t the emitter visible on any photo, or is it completely covered under the white optic?

        The condition of the side, the emblem is new, but the fuselage, especially in the cockpit area is ragged, I certainly understand that this is not the biggest problem, but the question immediately arises, is it going up in the air now? Or just ground tests? It’s somehow not very nice to see the ragged a board represented in some form by a US response)

        How is guidance carried out? In what way? It is clear that the trajectory is calculated, but for a more accurate one? Apparently some kind of optoelectronic system?

        What is the diameter of the laser beam at the maximum effective exposure distance?

        And as far as I understand, these machines, if they are used for their intended purpose, will have to be on alert all the time, so that in case of an order, to blind the American early warning and strategic missile forces to fire a salvo with Topoli and SS-18?
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +5
          17 May 2012 16: 01
          Quote: Eugene
          The laser, as I understand it, is like a Boeing in the bow



          No Zhenya, in the "nose" (under the nose cone) there is a guidance system and a detection station, and the laser installation itself is on the "hump" (you see right behind the center section to the tail?)


          Quote: Eugene
          Is it taking off now, or just ground tests?


          Everything is going as it should ....

          Quote: Eugene
          nice to see a ragged board


          But it is immediately clear that it is "working"!

          Quote: Eugene
          will be on alert all the time?


          Not really, in constant readiness, but these are different things!

          First of all, PRO, and then ....... you know and write yourself, and many more other tasks.

          Quote: Eugene
          is he taking off now?


          The answer to your question
      2. smprofi
        +2
        17 May 2012 19: 25
        veteran.air force, about the Soviet developments, and then the Russian ones are not very up to date. I am far from this topic. but amerovskie ...

        This miracle and victorious reports of "grandiose achievements" have been familiar since 1979:



        on another resource did a little excursion. if interested - check out:
        http://nnm.ru/blogs/smprofi/boevoy_lazer_zaderzhivaetsya/
        1. Eugene
          +6
          17 May 2012 20: 50
          I'm really not Sergey, but here you can see the Soviet developments:

          1K17 “Compression”


          older:

          "Sanguine"


          1d11 "stiletto"

          1. smprofi
            +2
            17 May 2012 21: 51
            Eugene, thanks, but I saw it and read what was written about them.
            little written. The usual situation with Soviet developments.
            and advertising texts about modern ones are not interesting to read.
  5. Eugene
    +3
    17 May 2012 18: 03
    Sergey, thanks for the answer now it’s become clearer, but what kind of modification of the photo, which you cited with a few posts above?
    1. ICT
      +3
      17 May 2012 18: 36
      this is an il-xnumx airplane repeater
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +2
        17 May 2012 18: 47
        Quote: TIT
        this is an il-xnumx airplane repeater


        Wrong answer !!! +! For the desire for knowledge! good

        Quote: TIT
        aircraft repeater


        One of the many features you named correctly ...

        Quote: TIT
        this is il-


        So what is this Il - .. ??? bully
        1. ICT
          +2
          17 May 2012 19: 01
          JNDTN NJX
          Quote: veteran.air force
          Wrong answer !!! +! For the desire for knowledge!


          The answer is accurate to one hundred percent.
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +4
            17 May 2012 19: 16
            Quote: TIT
            The answer is accurate to one hundred percent.


            For perseverance +! And 100% know where it happens ??? I’m joking so much today, black, don’t be offended!

            And the correct answer is:

            IL-76 VKP (air command post) is the design and production designation of an aircraft bearing the military designation of IL-76SK (special command) and designed to control and guide the country's strategic nuclear forces if ground control points are already out of order.

            There are only two of them released and are now on Chkalovsky.

            And in 2003 in the journal Aviation and Cosmonautics this name appeared IL-82, which is not true !!! drinks
            1. ICT
              +1
              17 May 2012 19: 19
              IL-82 it is written in his documentation
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +3
                17 May 2012 19: 30
                Quote: TIT
                it says in the documentation


                In which???

                In TTZ Il-76 VKP (VZPU), in ILE-Il-76SK. ??? Or is there still a third? I dont know! request
                1. ICT
                  +2
                  17 May 2012 19: 59
                  Quote: veteran.air force
                  I dont know!


                  You’ll laugh, but it has documentation for a set of equipment.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF
                    +3
                    17 May 2012 23: 22
                    Quote: TIT
                    you will laugh but she


                    Thank you very much, +! drinks

                    Honestly, I didn’t know. Although I should be surprised, this is always the case when we did the first Mushroom (Grebe, Amanita) A-50 with Bumblebee, then the A-50 commander in the state is major, with a crew of 6 people. and the commander of the complex, the state colonel and crew of operators 40 people ....?! fellow

                    So "hto is on board the chief" ??? recourse

                    It got to the point of absurdity, but it really was and they went to great heights to resolve this issue, but thank God they did it!

                    Before angry This of course did not reach clear, but if translated into "words", then somewhere close!
                    1. ICT
                      +1
                      18 May 2012 23: 58
                      Quote: veteran.air force
                      with a crew of 6 people. and the commander of the complex is Colonel and crew of 40 operators.


                      and also probably one bucket at all
    2. Eugene
      +5
      17 May 2012 18: 48
      This is an air command post: IL-80, based on the 86th. And the same board as in your photo smile


      but the 76th also raises a question for me.
      1. ICT
        +4
        17 May 2012 19: 06
        that's right, the only one of 4's that has additional corrections, and 76 is just a relay airplane, works with VZPU in pairs
      2. VAF
        VAF
        +4
        17 May 2012 19: 06
        Quote: Eugene
        This is an air command post: IL-80, based on the 86th.


        And now attention is the correct answer: IL-86VKP RA-86147 Russia (USSR) -
        The current status is a flying laboratory. +! drinks
        1. ICT
          +4
          17 May 2012 19: 12
          Quote: veteran.air force
          The current status is a flying laboratory. +!



          I don’t know the current status, but until 1999 of the year there was a plane VZPU GSh
  6. Eugene
    +4
    17 May 2012 19: 22
    strange, it was this board that flew over the Kremlin at the parade on the occasion of the 65th anniversary of the victory, was it really already a laboratory then?

    Good news in the topic:

    The new reconnaissance aircraft Tu-214R (so named in the press, but I suspect that it is likely AWACS), today published a photograph in flight. Another one is now in completion.

    1. VAF
      VAF
      +6
      17 May 2012 19: 33
      Quote: Eugene
      today posted a photo in flight. Another one is now in completion.


      An hour ago I posted this news in an article about "Z An-124 for the RF Air Force" and comments!

      Aircraft Intelligence !!!
  7. Aleksey67
    +5
    17 May 2012 20: 54
    Congratulations to all Russians!!
    With access to the semifinals !!!!! drinks
    Waiting for rivals Finns or amers? The second period ended 1: 1. Waiting, s ???
    drinks
    1. Aleksey67
      +5
      17 May 2012 21: 37
      Quote: Aleksey67
      Waiting for rivals Finns or amers?

      We play with the Finns on the 19th !!! drinks
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +2
        17 May 2012 23: 24
        Quote: Aleksey67
        We play with the Finns on the 19th !!!


        It would be better to "amerov" .... as under Pope Tarasov, just clean it up ........, and even dry !!! drinks
    2. VAF
      VAF
      +2
      17 May 2012 23: 26
      Quote: Aleksey67
      rivals Finns


      Finns, bitch, serious guys, this is not a national hunt, about the hot Finnish guys, but ..... they beat and more than once !!!

      So I believe in success definitely !!!
      1. Yarbay
        +2
        18 May 2012 10: 06
        Dear Sergey!
        Thank you for the very interesting and informative posts!
        I have a question for you !
        How do you feel about the rumors that in the next 50 years all military aircraft will be unmanned?
        and I don’t understand how effective this laser weapon will be against ballistic missiles ??
        Is the same S-400 or S-500, isn’t it more reliable and cheaper ??
  8. Pravdoruba
    +1
    23 May 2012 23: 37
    Already now you need to prepare for counteracting their lasers and at the same time create your adequate answer !!!
  9. Scorpio 83
    +1
    27 May 2012 21: 21
    Here is an article pleased)) 0 It's nice to read about native promising developments, and not about Amer’s commercial business plans
  10. 0
    9 March 2015 10: 10
    Both America and Russia have spent a lot of money on combat lasers, and will continue to spend it. It is clear as daylight that the topic is promising, but still raw, but the task is very difficult. And there is no doubt that such aircraft will fly.