Modern "gun drama" of Russia

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At present, the problem of choosing a modern sniper rifle with the specifics of the discussions that have arisen and the provocative statements begin to resemble the situation that took place in Russia in the middle of the XNUMXth century and was called the “gun drama”. Almost throughout the nineteenth century, the armies of many countries of Europe, America and partly Asia were actively rearming. Fast development armory industry, new design ideas all this led to the fact that some rifles, which were adopted and sent to the troops, were already outdated by the time they arrived. At the same time, a new rifle was urgently needed to rearm the army.

In the 19th century, muzzle-loading flint rifles were replaced by capsules, capsules were replaced by breech-loading, and they, in turn, were needle-like rifles with the prototype of a unitary cartridge. More or less, everything calmed down only by the 1890 years. In Russia, this arms race and leapfrog with interchangeable rifles received the unofficial name of “gun drama”. At the same time, spending on rearmament of Russia was enormous. To this day, accusations of embezzlement, short-sightedness, incompetence, adventurism, sabotage, etc., have been voiced on this occasion. Delivered naturally and "rotten autocracy."

But all this was long enough. Currently, the problem has narrowed somewhat. The modern Russian army needs a long-range sniper rifle for professionals. For those who can hit a target at a distance of 1 kilometer, hitting it from the first shot. According to professional shooters, at present, a trained shooter should hit an A800 format target from a distance of 4 meters with almost 100% probability. Missing the fault of a cartridge or weapon is not allowed.
Modern "gun drama" of Russia
VSS "Vintorez"

With this approach, the army needs high-quality rifles manufactured in relatively small batches (not more than 10 000 units), which are manufactured on modern high-precision equipment. In addition, the army needs specialists who can be trusted with these rifles. We need masters who can effectively hit targets at long range. In addition, the equipment of any sniper involves the purchase of a set of special equipment: various sights, including thermal imaging, laser range finders, ballistic calculators, binoculars, etc. Often the purchase of this kit is more expensive than the cost of the rifle itself. At the same time, without all this equipment, a sniper cannot be an effective tool of modern warfare.

The solution to this problem in the modern Russian army was approached through the acquisition of a number of foreign sniper rifles and the creation of special units of snipers - individual sniper companies. Such units have not yet been either in the Soviet or in the Russian armed forces. To their final appearance, they will be brought to the 2016 year and will consist of professional contract servicemen who will be equipped with modern equipment and weapons. The creation of these units is carried out within the framework of the concept of improving the system of training and using snipers in the types and kinds of arms of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The implementation of this program will allow forming a corps of highly professional snipers in the Russian army.

Currently, a multilevel, phased system for the selection and subsequent training of snipers for their use in the sniper unit, as well as independently, is being created. All snipers will undergo special training in training centers with a frequency of once every 3-4 years. For these centers, special training programs have been developed that provide for the mastery of a diverse set of skills, knowledge and skills. Among other things, snipers teach how to adjust artillery fire, direct army targets Aviation, special attention will be given to counter-sniper training. These training centers are equipped with instructors who recently passed a special cycle of fire training in Solnechnogorsk.

Due to the large variety of tasks on the battlefield, armed with sniper mouths, it is supposed to have several types of sniper rifles with different combat properties. In addition, each sniper will be issued a personal weapon - a pistol. It is the question of equipping units with sniper rifles in recent years, more and more raised in the media and on the Internet.
SVDSM

For several years now, a strange campaign has been carried out in the media, which is aimed at discrediting the Dragunov sniper rifle, which has suddenly become outdated and does not meet the requirements of the times. Allegedly, the rifle does not provide the necessary accuracy of shooting at distances more than 400 meters, it has poor-quality assembly, poor barrels. Secondly, there are rifles abroad, which are much better and it is necessary to buy them. Thirdly, Russian enterprises are not able to ensure the development of a new sniper rifle and sights for it. However, recently the same information campaigns have been launched against various small arms, for example, the same Kalashnikov assault rifle or Makarov pistol. Of course, all these types of weapons have their drawbacks, but there are undeniable advantages that have been fully tested by time.

Naturally, since its creation, the SVD has not become younger, but today several of its updated versions have been developed, and the build quality has increased significantly. No wonder, in spite of all the hysteria in the media, this rifle remains in service with the Russian army and special forces snipers as well. Sniper companies use SVD and VSS rifles, which are also known as Vintorez.

SVD still has a place on the battlefield. This clearly demonstrates the combat experience of the expeditionary forces of the United States and Germany, which encountered in Iraq and Afghanistan that mobile groups are in dire need of soldiers armed with self-loading sniper rifles who are able to effectively hit targets at a distance of 500-700 meters. In the event that fire contact begins at this distance, the fire of small-caliber automatic weapons is not effective enough. That is why the Germans created and adopted the self-loading rifle G-28, and the Americans returned to service their old M-14 rifles, which were created back in the 1950s and after that were modernized.

That is why the pessimistic insolvency statements of the SVD can be regarded as more provocative than objective. Currently, snipers often work in pairs or even as part of small tactical groups. Therefore, the arming of the second number of the sniper calculation with a self-loading rifle is very well justified. At the same time, the first calculation number uses a much more long-range and accurate tool. Today, Russian special forces are most often used by domestic rifles such as the Tula MC-116, Izhevsk CB-98, as well as the British Accuracy International L96 and the Austrian Steyr-Mannlicher SSG 04. The latter are in service with the created separate units of snipers and are not present in the army in single copies.
Steyr-Mannlicher SSG 04

All of these rifles have a manual reloading mechanism. The longitudinal sliding bolt is still the best to ensure accurate shooting. These rifles use 2 type cartridges - rifle .308 Win and more powerful .338 Lapua Magnum. And if the first could theoretically be patriotically replaced by a domestic patron (7,62х54R), then the full-fledged analogues to the second in Russia simply do not exist. At the same time, the fact that the Ministry of Defense is already rectifying this shortcoming, even if acquiring foreign weapons, is not so bad. Yes, in Russia they have created and are talking a lot about the ORSIS T-5000 rifle, but it is clear to everyone that she has been without a year for a week. At the same time, Steyr-Mannlicher SSG 04 has already proven itself in the market. It is possible that the time ORSIS T-5000, like some other modern domestic developments, just has not come yet. In this case, the purchase of Steyr-Mannlicher SSG 04 - this is not a reason, not to tear his hair and sprinkle ashes on his head. It is unlikely that anyone will argue with the fact that this rifle is very good for its role.

The Mannlicher sniper rifle model 04, which is produced by the world-famous Austrian company Steyr-Mannlicher AG, is intended for snipers who are faced with the task of hitting targets at distances that are out of reach for SVD. The Mannlicher rifles, which today are armed with some Russian units, have the same caliber as the SVD - 7,62 mm and use the same 10-charging magazine. This is where the similarity of the two rifles ends, since the Austrian rifle uses a more powerful cartridge, which allows it to provide a greater aiming and lethal range. While effective fire from SVD is limited to 800 meters, the Steyr-Mannlicher SSG 04 is able to effectively hit targets at a distance of more than a kilometer.

Yes, the longitudinally sliding bolt of this rifle requires constant manual reloading, but at the same time it provides better fire accuracy than SVD. Also among the undoubted advantages of the Austrian rifle is the build quality, a more advanced sight, having an 14 multiple approximation and a fundamentally different way of its attachment. The creators of this rifle provided for individual settings for use by its specific sniper, based on its anatomical features.

Despite the superiority of Mannlicher before the SVD, it is necessary to understand that these rifles have different goals on the battlefield and no one is going to write off the SVD from the service, especially its new modifications. At present, snipers are working on the possibility of using these rifles in combination to solve various combat missions.

Sources used:
www.odnako.org/blogs/show_17905/
www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/64580/
www.army-news.ru/2012/03/snajper-eto-prizvanie/
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  1. +27
    16 May 2012 09: 47
    "Yes, in Russia they created and talk a lot about the ORSIS T-5000 rifle, but it is obvious to everyone that she is a week old. At the same time, the Steyr-Mannlicher SSG 04 is already well established in the market. It is quite possible that the time of ORSIS T-5000, like some other modern domestic developments, has not yet come. "- the author, as I understand it, has found a nice excuse not to buy ORSIS T-5000 from Promtekhnologii.
    Oh well. With such a sauce and excuses of such style, you can drain all of our defense industry products into the toilet. sad For all the positiveness of the article, this paragraph is a minus. What does the youth of the company have to do with it? Take your rifle to the training ground - what's the problem? There is no testing ground? Fantasies for introductory tests are not enough? Are there no professionals? What prevents to identify the shortcomings of the rifle in essence, if there are claims? "A week without a year" is just an excuse. I don’t want to suspect, but suspicions just spring into my head - and how much has this old Mannlicher woman promised as a pleasant makeweight for the contract to the detriment of the young Russian company? Honestly! am
    1. teves
      -3
      16 May 2012 10: 31
      But how did it happen that a country that made intercontinental ballistic missiles on trains (BZHRK) is absolutely unable to figure out a normal sniper rifle? Or flew forever in the clouds, far from worldly needs? ... Where is the concern for a simple soldier, his life and health? Or did World War II teach nothing? But the experience was accumulated colossal!
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        +6
        16 May 2012 10: 47
        really, it’s not so simple, they aren’t made at giants factories, they are already expensive (materials, machines, specialists), God forbid, Orsys appeared, by the way a private shop (of some of the ministers) it’s time for us to seriously change our attitude towards shooting, as in production and use
        1. +3
          16 May 2012 11: 52
          Promtechnologii promised by 2013 to make self-loading to replace the SVD, given the quality and performance characteristics of the 5000 they should have a decent rifle.
          1. +4
            16 May 2012 12: 01
            Quote: andrey586

            Promtechnologii promised by 2013 to make self-loading to replace the SVD, given the quality and performance characteristics of the 5000 they should have a decent rifle.

            And you need something essentially more modern ammunition ....
          2. Sleptsoff
            +1
            17 May 2012 16: 32
            They promised to stir up the large-caliber. So wait, sir.
        2. chukapabra
          0
          17 May 2012 19: 18
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          realistically, it’s not so easy, the giants do not make them in factories

          The costs of gigantomania
      2. +8
        16 May 2012 10: 55
        I will answer you what is the reason. To develop a new rifle, you need T.Z. from customer. The customer (MO) does not know what he needs. And in TK the Steyr-Mannlicher parameters are written on a rifle up to 1 mm in size. So it turns out, why develop if you can buy (this is from the point of view of the Ministry of Defense). From the point of view of the bureaucrat, buying is the right way out. You can report to your superiors about the purchase of high-tech weapons (and other fraud).
        1. PabloMsk
          -6
          16 May 2012 11: 21
          Quote: Zerstorer
          From the point of view of the bureaucrat, buying is the right way out. You can report to your superiors about the purchase of high-tech weapons (and other fraud).


          This is not from the point of view of the bureaucrat and not fraud!
          Why the hell should I wait for years for the invention of the "bicycle" if I can come to the Firm and buy everything better from the top models! Including ammo and zips!

          This is not about Takna and planes, but about a high-precision top-end product.
          Enough crap doing - our snipers need a top "tool" - go and buy it for them !!!!!!!!
          1. Yoshkin Kot
            +3
            16 May 2012 11: 46
            our gorpatpatrioty forget that weapons cost money, and it’s just silly to grind a huge factory under sniper, it’s cheaper to buy a ready-made rifle than to spend millions of people's money on its development, and as a result, a drunk turner Vasya working for 15 sput. send 90 percent of receivers, barrels and bolts to the marriage, then accuracy is not needed for mosinki (good weapons, but valovka, there is valovka)
            1. +1
              16 May 2012 11: 49
              Quote: Yoshkin Cat
              Yoshkin Kot

              A PLUS!
            2. vpm
              vpm
              +3
              17 May 2012 12: 23
              Simpler means a trip along the path of least resistance, and this often leads to a dead end: dependence on those who are not afraid to make extra efforts. And about the drunken Vasya turner - look at the same Orsys production: http://mg82.livejournal.com/168527.html Nenado Western stereotypes themselves hammered themselves.
            3. 0
              15 June 2012 16: 34
              When De Gaulle banned the sale of weapons to Israel on the eve of the next Arab-Israeli war in Israel, they incurred large expenses for establishing the production of their own weapons. This is to say that armaments must be brought in at home, and foreign trade must not be purchased in bulk, but for the study and introduction of production of equivalent (or better) gadgets. am
          2. +10
            16 May 2012 14: 33
            And in case of conflict, will we run and ask the enemy to sell ammo?
            1. Yoshkin Kot
              +3
              16 May 2012 14: 56
              Yeah, what's easier to set up ammunition production? or weapons?
              brass is not enough? lead? steel? tompaka?
              1. +3
                16 May 2012 17: 29
                Quote: "uh-huh, what's easier to set up the production of ammunition? Or weapons?"
                Good question) Ammunition production is mass production, not piece production. Especially if we are talking about high-quality ammunition. To say that it is more profitable to buy a rifle and make a new cartridge (for our industry) for it, I’m sorry, illiterate. I explain: buying rifles is a one-time cost (paid and received the goods). But the production of a new cartridge is a fixed cost. Thus, we get that the development of a rifle for an existing cartridge can be less capacious in terms of costs.
                1. Passing
                  +5
                  16 May 2012 20: 33
                  Quote: Zerstorer
                  But the production of a new cartridge is a fixed cost. Thus, we get that the development of a rifle for an existing cartridge can be less capacious in terms of costs.

                  Only in Russia they make a mega-problem out of cartridge production. Ammunition companies around the world produce the widest assortment of cartridges for any caliber, and it does not occur to anyone to cry that mastering a new caliber is like flying to Mars in complexity and cost. Well, what difference does it make which caliber, changed equipment and go ahead, drive cartridges with billions.
                  Well, yes, snap-in is also worth the money, but snap-in for, say, 7,62x54 also periodically requires replacement, so if you do everything wisely, the problem is solved without billions of dollars of investments.
                  1. 0
                    17 May 2012 09: 38
                    I do not argue that this is possible. I am talking about what is beneficial. We do not have an American system - when each manufacturer of small arms produces ammunition for its products. This approach is possible when the state has several large private (well, or at least half state) companies that are engaged in small arms. We do not have such an approach, since the market for the sale of products within the country is quite small (there are legislative barriers, and the low purchasing power of the population).
                  2. 0
                    15 June 2012 16: 46
                    The fact is that it is time to discontinue the 7,62x54R (R collar) - it has been out of production abroad for over 100 years, except for Russia. The USM design is more complicated with it. And to remove it, it is necessary to modernize the trigger for existing "products" for a cartridge without a protruding rim (the industry cannot immediately provide the entire army with new rifles and machine guns for a new cartridge, at first the breech and trigger must be remade)
            2. +2
              16 May 2012 17: 52
              I agree with you! His need, his own. It’s just that nobody really did it. And in general, it is very important who exactly holds in his hands a chic long-range Austrian rifle. Here, in addition to the range of the bullet, the foresight of thought is very important.
          3. chukapabra
            0
            17 May 2012 19: 20
            Quote: PabloMsk
            Why the hell should I wait for years for the invention of the "bicycle" if I can come to the Firm and buy everything better from the top models! Including ammo and zips!

            So in general, everything can be bought (except nuclear weapons) And where is the prestige? Such a country can’t do a rifle?
        2. +7
          16 May 2012 11: 36
          In-in! I support.
        3. 0
          15 June 2012 16: 24
          Likewise, they "honestly" receive kickbacks in government agencies when purchasing tools and equipment (for example, they indicate the geometric parameters of surgical scalpels of some manufacturer with an accuracy of mm, although often these very mm have no effect on functionality). And where is the guarantee that this is not in the MO? am
      3. PabloMsk
        +1
        16 May 2012 11: 17
        teves,

        Man .... we have a lot of global things ...
        But the roads and utilities are still in ruin .....
        Because the private sector has been spread rot for decades.
        And in other countries a whole generation of owners of private arms companies with world names has grown.
      4. +4
        16 May 2012 11: 32
        But how did it happen that a country that made intercontinental ballistic missiles on trains (BZHRK) is absolutely unable to figure out a normal sniper rifle? Or forever flew in the clouds

        Is it like you were upset over US, or are you gloating? wink
        So neither one nor the other is necessary, we have "trunks" from both Orsis and Prechtlbully
      5. saper
        -2
        16 May 2012 18: 18
        and on the fig of the valiant RKKA recruited from the collective farmers, an accurate sniper rifle (i.e. requiring maintenance) was created by the SVD based on the experience of the Second World War. and precisely under such wars as the Second World War. it should be simple, a soldier should not be trained for a long time, etc. finally look at this rubber eyecup, do you know why you need it? but they didn’t guess, not so that after the recoil the whole eye was, but so that the arrow’s eye was located exactly in the center!
        now when the bombing terrorists appeared and needed a rifle with a technical characteristics on the principle - one shot - one corpse
      6. Igorboss16
        0
        17 May 2012 10: 10
        I think we have the best weapon in the world, svd is one of the best sniper rifles in history, has proven itself very strongly in many armed conflicts, has no competitors in its class in terms of the reliability of the rate of fire, so many new rifles in the 90s appeared for example sv 98, svu,, VSSK, VSK-94, Vintorez, OSV-96, ASVK / ASV "Kord" / 6S8, and you teves, you think that we are behind, and are not able to make a normal trunk, understand one thing, no one has canceled corruption and kickbacks, this is the main problem
      7. ups
        -1
        18 May 2012 08: 14
        Yes, it’s just strange, it’s been lying in ruins for 10 years, and getting up from your knees is always difficult. That's why everything is practical from scratch and we start, despite the developments. I think that everything will be fine and ORSIS will be with our fighters and will not let you down.
    2. Kibb
      +9
      16 May 2012 10: 49
      For some time, I was skeptical about the products of the company "no year a week" Zbroyar was not allowed to shoot a couple of series from 008 in caliber 7.62x51
      Just super !!! I think the T-5000 is no worse. Further as you have in the text
      Quote: aksakal
      What does the youth of the company have to do with it? Take the rifle to the firing range - what's the problem?

      Totally agree
      1. 0
        16 May 2012 11: 21
        Quote: Kibb
        until we were allowed to shoot a couple of series

        What did the MOA do?
        Zbroyar in authority ... good
        1. Kibb
          +2
          16 May 2012 11: 31
          It turned out about 0.8 by 200 meters, which was surprising, given the cartridge and not "my" rifle and the lack of constant practice
          1. +1
            16 May 2012 11: 43
            Quote: Kibb
            about 0.8 to 200 meters

            A series of five? And in any case, do not be shy - the "cartridge, sight, triggering" complex is not subject to every monkey smile
            Sincerely.
            1. Kibb
              +1
              16 May 2012 12: 40
              I would like to try 338 Lapulu, but not in range and the cartridge is prohibitively expensive for me
              1. 0
                16 May 2012 20: 35
                To give birth, and no nails! wink
    3. +7
      16 May 2012 11: 57
      I completely agree - it is the moment when the author is already openly advertising the Manliher rifle that is alarming. Week, not week - what is the difference if the sample is good? Not to accept only because the company is new and not so famous? The acceptance criterion is the high performance characteristics of the product - accuracy, reliability, and not the fashionability of the manufacturer’s company.
      In addition, ignoring some domestic samples - for example, the Tula rifle Vs-8 under .338 paw magnum, raises questions, the author mentions this cartridge in the article. He says that we have no analogues for the cartridge, and we need to accept foreign samples. At the same time, we have samples of rifles for this cartridge. Of course, there are complaints about the SV-98, maybe the defects were eliminated in the SV-338, but no such negative reviews were heard about the VS-8. The question is why are accepted foreign samples, if we have analogues, and even if they are inferior, then not by much? For example, China produces its own sniper rifles (for example, the company JS), despite the fact that it is still not a recognized leader in this. in this sense, a positive example.
      1. patline
        +3
        16 May 2012 12: 41
        Yes Yes. The article is clearly advertising - by all the rules. Competently belittled the author of our rifles.
        1. +3
          16 May 2012 12: 50
          and you name me a suitable field rifle with a good cold barrel there and talk ...
          1. patline
            +3
            16 May 2012 13: 04
            Unfortunately I am not quite in the subject, or rather not in the subject of sniping.
            Just reading the article, at first there is interest, there is a historical excursion and parallels with modernity, you think that I will learn something new about various novelties. Even resentment for undeservedly belittled Russian and Soviet models sounds, but in the end, everything slides into Manliher’s advertisement.
            Although the author can be given credit - it is written correctly for an advertising article.
            1. 755962
              +1
              16 May 2012 16: 37
              The ORSIS T-5000 delighted the Ministry of Defense, who compared it to a diamond among rifles. It is intended for fighters of special forces and employees of law enforcement agencies, primarily involved in the fight against terrorism. For them, a weapon that knows how to jewelryly hit the enemy at a great distance is vital. Although Orsys was developed for domestic consumption, foreign troops, including those from far abroad, have already become interested in it.
              1. 0
                16 May 2012 20: 10
                here the Orsis will pass GOSI VI OE then we'll talk while it is only at the beginning of a difficult path
                http://call-me-doc.livejournal.com/21056.html
              2. Supervision
                0
                22 July 2012 18: 01
                I saw these representatives, they were far from sniping
          2. 0
            16 May 2012 20: 32

            and you name me a suitable field rifle with a good cold barrel there and talk ...

            What is a "field" rifle for you? Only the trunks of a thin hunting contour on a cold one do not give wild "breaks", but they are not used in "tactics". So what's the point?winked
    4. Supervision
      0
      22 July 2012 17: 54
      the manlicher is much cheaper than our rifles of the same class, the Orsis practically did not pass, the test was in different conditions, the one + is that the alpha won the championship with it, the testers say good weapons, but still damp
  2. +4
    16 May 2012 10: 12
    Oh, SV-98 gave great hope, but they do not want to upgrade it. ORSIS T-5000 is simply ignored. MO in all its glory.
    1. +3
      16 May 2012 11: 26
      SV-98 is good! Only the trunk is a bit short, the receiver is not very coarse, the shutter stops are a little bit ground. Well, in fact ...
      The bolt action itself is "highly accurate" in any rifle, only to expose the parts to the mating. winked
      1. +4
        16 May 2012 11: 36
        SV-338M1 sniper rifle from Izhevsk


        Dispersion mm 10 shots / 8 series
        300m - 103
        600m - 213
        800m - 308
        1000m - 550
        1. +3
          16 May 2012 11: 56
          Quote: PSih2097
          300m - 103
          600m - 213
          800m - 308
          1000m - 55

          At 300 m 103 mm, this means the passport accuracy is very much more than 1 MOA, and this is already b ... b not funny - even hunting. rifles from a number of manufacturers guarantee the accuracy of what is called "out of the box" Sub MOA. And this is an analogue of 338 Lapua and such ???? And it's not just the cartridge!
          1. 0
            16 May 2012 13: 20
            But why shoot from it at a distance of up to 800 meters? for this SVD is ...

            Test Comparison Chart:
            1. 0
              16 May 2012 20: 50
              Quote: PSih2097
              But why shoot from it at a distance of up to 800 meters? for this SVD is ...

              Over 800 - timbole. So-so accuracy.
              1. 0
                17 May 2012 01: 11
                Over 800 - even more so. So-so accuracy.

                well then MO will not buy Erm, which is the CP-100, the top rifle - accuracy of about 0.3 arc minutes at all distances, though it costs about 15 euros without a sight, but with three interchangeable barrels ...

                1. Fidain
                  -1
                  23 June 2012 11: 51
                  sliskom dorogaya chto bi oficeru daverit, a generali v kustax sedet ne budut
        2. Supervision
          0
          22 July 2012 18: 03
          immediately flaws, a lot of crimping points and stacked bipod firing will not
      2. 0
        16 May 2012 12: 28
        og and the trunk is not for the field ....
        and also repair only in factory
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          +1
          16 May 2012 14: 58
          compared serial? or ours bustled under and kneeled super superb (even if so, anyway well done)
  3. borisst64
    +1
    16 May 2012 10: 40
    The T-5000 has already gained fame, that's good. If the will of the leadership of the country and the army, the troops will be able to get this rifle. By the way, manufacturers promise a barrel for any cartridge.
  4. +3
    16 May 2012 10: 57
    Article! Minus! - crap, profanity, distortion and provocation!
  5. +3
    16 May 2012 10: 58
    Well, the excuse was invented so as not to buy the T 5000, it’s a week without a year,
    1. +1
      16 May 2012 11: 08
      Quote: andrey586
      invented not to buy T 5000

      But in fact, the Ministry of Defense "needs an order for hundreds of tyshsh" (and Orsis is simply not able to fulfill such a contract, all high-precision, manual assembly, and steel billets are purchased in the USA, and the Ministry of Defense can establish the production of high-grade weapons-grade steel, but not wants). And less MO is not interesting (the babos are not the same, there is no scale!).
      By the way: only the USA, Austria, and Orsis "cut" high-precision barrels in the world ...
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        +3
        16 May 2012 11: 49
        hundreds of thousands of snipers? on the poo? a thousand or two, for the eyes, do you think we have more trained shooters? cook them and cook
      2. Kibb
        +1
        16 May 2012 11: 50
        Zbroyar cuts the trunks himself, the workpiece seems LW
  6. PabloMsk
    +1
    16 May 2012 11: 13
    Competent article.

    Each rifle has its own task.
    Different departments need different "tools".

    If western top rifles are better, then they need to be bought with ammunition, zip and transferred to units.
    And there’s nothing to do with garbage .... first provide the military with quality equipment, and then calmly refine your samples!
    Then you can transfer your top-end rifles to the subordinate units (the local specialists will kiss you!) And switch to Russian samples if we can produce them and they will definitely be more in demand with real specialists.
    1. 0
      16 May 2012 11: 17
      Quote: PabloMsk
      Each rifle has its own task.
      Different departments need different "tools".

      Quite right. Only the "author of satya" gathered everything in a heap, and he does not know the question at all.
  7. FIMUK
    -1
    16 May 2012 11: 19
    the author dunce *)) writes about such a topic and put the screw cutter picture on the left, that is, it is an airsoft player .. yet, an alteration from an airsoft gun of the 2000s, even in airsoft guns are now being made which are apparently not visually distinguishable from the original.
  8. +1
    16 May 2012 11: 30
    That is why the Germans created and adopted the G-28 self-loading rifle, and the Americans are returning their old M-14 rifles, which were created back in the 1950's, to the system and were modernized after that.


    They lied a little, the Americans have a SASS M110, which was originally supposed to replace the M24 bolt, but replaced the M14 due to the fact that the army received a profound modernization of the M24 called the XM 2010.
    I don’t see anything wrong with our specialists buying foreign rifles, the same American delta uses foreign weapons, if only it would be convenient for them. It seems that Izhmash said that he would release a new sniper, the same Orsis, like ours already went to compete with her and they really liked her, I think there would be a demand and an offer, we have so little training for snipers, so there is no offer.
    1. 0
      17 May 2012 03: 35
      Yes, they use foreign weapons, only unlike our situation, they have no problems with ammunition, everything is done according to the NATO standard.
  9. FIMUK
    0
    16 May 2012 11: 38
    gunsmiths change the picture of the screw cutter, or at least read some of the mat ..... well, there is no screw cutter chambered for 7.62.39 ..... this is an airsoft "Pokimon"
    Author dunce *))
    Remove
  10. +2
    16 May 2012 12: 03
    It is a pity that Lobaev with his rifles from the country survived
    1. 0
      16 May 2012 12: 17
      Quote: andrey586
      It is a pity that Lobaev with his rifles from the country survived

      Where to?
      1. 0
        16 May 2012 12: 26
        the saudis does those love other things
      2. Yoshkin Kot
        -1
        16 May 2012 13: 17
        Well, he made custom from imported components, the Orsis is an order of magnitude more serious
        own production, though steel is taken from the bourgeoisie anyway, ours just don’t, like there’s no demand sad
        1. 0
          16 May 2012 13: 31
          do not sell in those volumes
          these cranks say take a couple of cars at once then we’ll do it.
        2. 0
          16 May 2012 20: 38
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          ours just do not, like there is no demand

          Plus stops ...
        3. Passing
          0
          16 May 2012 20: 59
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          Well, he made custom from imported components, the Orsis is an order of magnitude more serious

          From imported components? You are confusing something, at least in articles about Lobaev it was clearly written that the trunks and bed were of his own production. Even the photo was given where Lobaev personally sharpened the barrel. And what was purchased in America was the same steel bars in bars.
          And by the way, the passport accuracy of SVL is one and a half to two times higher than Т5000. But for some reason Lobaev was stupidly closed, and ORSIS was promoted. Is it because the deputy. the director at ORSIS was the son of Mr. Rogozin, who you know for what is responsible in the government? One cannot help but wonder, is Mr. Rogozin a "statesman" really?
          1. +1
            16 May 2012 21: 13
            Quote: Passing by
            Is it because the deputy. the director of ORSIS was the son of Mr. Rogozin,

            Orsis "lives" on the orders of private traders, and acts (Orsis) quite flexibly forming rifles of almost any contour (unlike the "tsar-cannon" of the respected Lobaev, with which no matter how worn, but one in the field is not a cannon).
            1. Passing
              0
              16 May 2012 22: 24
              It is good that ORSIS is so flexible. But what’s the logic behind revoking a license from Lobaev? Well, well, someone doesn’t like Lobaev, like he’s not flexible, so let the market put everything in its place, why revoke the license?
              And the small store, IMHO, just opens up, the market in Russia is small, so ORSIS fussed, and removed, not by market methods, an uncomfortable competitor in the person of Lobaev.
    2. Olegovich
      0
      17 May 2012 09: 02
      Quote: andrey586
      It is a pity that Lobaev with his rifles from the country survived

      No one survived him. The Saudis offered him decent money - he dumped.
      1. Passing
        +1
        17 May 2012 14: 27
        Quote: Olegych
        No one survived him.

        His license was not renewed. This was done by a specific person - director of the department of conventional weapons Potapov. Why didn't you renew it? Officially, because there were allegedly problems with the quality of Lobaev's rifles. In fact, all this is sewn with white thread, even if there were such problems, for this sin only the Tsar Cannon's license was revoked for some reason. None of the rest of the arms manufacturers, on which complaints are received, are not revoked their license. So the real reasons lie in a completely different plane - on one bowl were "their people", who are blood from the flesh of the system, on the other "white crow", a stranger Lobaev, who just developed the most accurate rifle in Russia. Until now, no one has surpassed. But for some reason our bureaucrats are not interested in the most accurate rifle, they have completely different interests and priorities. I have already written about Rogozin's deeply personal interest, but here is another example for you - snipers were massively purchased abroad under the pretext that there are no such weapons in Russia. Crazy about this. First, we stifle the shoots of a new, promising, and then, under the pretext that our own developers are not able to produce a sensible result, we buy everything from the West.
        Why is such an absurdity happening? It's not even about kickbacks. Although they, of course, IMHO, were - the same foreign rifles were bought at a price almost twice as expensive as the retail price in the West. And the point is rather in the special mentality of Russian bureaucrats. They think in terms of "mastering" the budget. Those. for them the main criterion of professionalism is not to do something useful for the country, but to spend money stupidly. Let's say, for example, high-quality western rifles were bought, delivered on time and with proper quality, the budget was spent, the rollback was received, the bureaucrats have no problems, he receives the status of an "effective" manager. But you can't roll back a lot from our manufacturer, and in addition to everything, he always has some problems. And bureaucrats don't need problems, because they need to be solved, to strain, to risk authority. Why would he? I bought a quality product in the West, and you don't know any problems! And the fact that as a result of this approach problems appear in the country as a whole, the fact that the country is turning into a banana republic is not a bureaucratic business, not his competence, he was put in charge of a specific cash flow, he rules.
  11. +6
    16 May 2012 12: 17
    I want to write obscenities .....
    Make normal CARTRIDGES
    SVD do not touch sweaty little hands This is a great weapon of Marxman (an excellent definition given)
    Give the civilian market these rifles
    Give watchmaking weapons firms
    Hold competitions \
    Make equipment
    Make accessories
    And in less than 10 years, the level of sniping will be at the world level and even higher
    http://call-me-doc.livejournal.com/
    1. +1
      16 May 2012 13: 12
      about optics forgot to mention ...
      1. 0
        16 May 2012 13: 30
        the nerves weren’t enough))))
      2. 0
        16 May 2012 21: 08
        ABOUT! This is generally oh what a separate topic - if everything is solved with screws, then with the optics of the priest is almost complete .. sad
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      +1
      16 May 2012 13: 52
      but the quality of the trunks would not hurt to return, from 80's sad
      1. +2
        16 May 2012 20: 42
        Quote: Yoshkin the Cat
        but the quality of the trunks would not hurt to return, from 80's

        This is yes ...
        1. +1
          17 May 2012 01: 17
          Quote: Yoshkin the Cat
          but the quality of the trunks would not hurt to return, from 80's

          This is yes ...

          then from the 60s, in terms of quality of execution
    3. 0
      16 May 2012 14: 32
      If everyone thought so, then we would have a machine gun Maxim and a Mosin rifle in service with a dosihpor.
    4. 0
      16 May 2012 20: 41
      At international snipe pair competitions, our shooters are among the leaders. It is noteworthy - only the Chinese perform with the SVD, and they, with them, get up "come godmother lyubazzo!
    5. +2
      17 May 2012 07: 39
      Quote: leon-iv
      I want to write obscenities .....
      Make normal CARTRIDGES
      SVD do not touch sweaty little hands This is a great weapon of Marxman (an excellent definition given)
      Give the civilian market these rifles
      Give watchmaking weapons firms
      Hold competitions \
      Make equipment
      Make accessories
      And in less than 10 years, the level of sniping will be at the world level and even higher

      - plus you, Leon smile
  12. Severe
    0
    16 May 2012 12: 22
    And what does SVL not suit you all ????

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M3eOZ_iSUo
    1. 0
      16 May 2012 12: 26
      factory price and performance
      1. Passing
        +2
        16 May 2012 21: 09
        Quote: leon-iv
        factory price and performance

        Lobaev proved in practice that he is a size in the arms business, such people are not scattered. Especially when in weapons business degradation and stagnation.
        Expensive? Need volume, this is the basics of the economy.
        Is the plant's productivity scanty? Give a targeted loan for expansion. and who else to give state money if not the most talented people? To bureaucrats and managers, perhaps, by the same, who "master" billions, and the output is not a product of which they are proud, but a personal villa in Spain?
        1. +1
          17 May 2012 01: 19
          Give a targeted loan for expansion. and who else to give state money if not the most talented people? To bureaucrats and managers, perhaps, by the same, who "master" billions, and the output is not a product of which they are proud, but a personal villa in Spain?

          well, this is to the "guarantor of the constitution and his prostitutes from the government" ...
  13. Brother Sarych
    +2
    16 May 2012 12: 51
    In my opinion, the SVD is a pretty decent rifle, but there is a problem with high-quality cartridges, not to mention normal sights!
    By the way, they didn’t notice that the noise boasted with the praised Orsises died down after Rogozin’s son quit the company?
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      0
      16 May 2012 13: 17
      if you still did it with your hands, and yes,
  14. +1
    16 May 2012 13: 32
    Our officials from centuries have always praised the western in a beautiful wrapper without noticing what was invented in their country and hindering its production and after many years to find out that we had a better product than there, but time has already passed. All this is due to the fact that the authorities incompetent people with inappropriate education and who do not know what they are managing.
    1. 0
      17 May 2012 01: 20
      exactly remember LeftyWhat did he say about bricks there?
  15. jar.zoom
    +5
    16 May 2012 14: 16
    There are normal domestic cartridges. I shoot with Barnaul cartridges with mosquito tomb packs. 300 m. Significantly less than 1 MO. And this is from a decently shot barrel. First you need to determine the tasks. The SVD is an excellent rifle for what it was created for. Don't like- buy what you want. There is no limit to perfection. Personally, I think that a rifle is not as important as accessories, support, ballistic computers, tactics, etc. etc. Practices !!! Write !!! I am not a sniper. I am a former soldier and a modern hunter. Literally shot at a dispute that week. Comrade-SR-338 is South African and Blazer is 30-06. I have co-44 True, with an individual bed. Up to 500 m we went nostril into the nostril. We shot in series of 5 rounds. We are approximately equal arrows. He only has 4-fold Zeiss optics, but I have 2 blunders. They shoot at 1000 m only very narrow specialists. And I do not believe that even in 50% of cases. fall from the 1st shot. Too much to consider. Now compare the price of rifles and especially cartridges.
    1. Kibb
      +1
      16 May 2012 15: 31
      Quote from: jar.zoom
      I shoot Barnaul with Tompak shells from mosinki. 300 m.

      Quite a decent, relatively decent cartridge, they fired from Z-008 (wrote above) and Mosin 44 with a PSO clone
  16. +5
    16 May 2012 16: 48
    What a drama ... a tragedy. Everything is back to normal ... there are no prophets in their homeland. They are only there in the West. There is a conviction that the Ministry of Defense has a unit with a plate on the doors "5 Column". Everything is clear, it is more pleasant to ride to Austria, than to Tula or Izhevsk, to Italy, than Nizhniy Tagil. They are stupidly trying to impose on us what is all there gut. Only how much it will cost the country their protectionism of the Western image. Dependence on a potential adversary ... And how much is new. as a potential adversary, no one will sell something worthwhile ... the laws there will not allow and the colleagues of the NATO bloc are closely watching this. As wisdom says, everything new is a forgotten good old. Read the requests of our MO ... analyze the purely parameters of weapons in the dark ... and that you will see that the Mosin rifle and SVT-40 most meet these requirements. The laws of physics are the same everywhere ... no one has canceled gravity, like friction. There is a mechanical system proven by wars SVT-40, which prevents it from being made taking into account the achievements over the past 70 years in technology and experience in operating weapons.Americos M-14 does not interfere with anything, but ours ... here is something closer to dancers ... This constantly interferes with them. And nothing needs to be invented. We will rest on the quality of the barrel and the quality of the ammunition ... which will take a hundred years for lunch. It is a paradox that our analogue should be cheaper ... what time we live ... Everything has long been determining the trading of world exchanges for raw materials. Mass is always more efficient than production in small batches ... laws of economics and production technology. wonders ... like they wanted it, but it turned out to be a raskoryak. You need to read the consequences of your actions and statements to journalists.
  17. +3
    16 May 2012 16: 58
    High-precision rifles are needed, no doubt about it, at the same time you don't have to mix everything up, rifles must correspond to the tasks performed by snipers. If we are talking about police operations in urban settings, this is one thing, a sniper position in the field, in the rain and snow, is quite another. It is unlikely that shooting from a maximum distance is acceptable for the destruction of an important target, the sniper's position is as close as possible, from 500 to 200-300 meters, where surprise and camouflage play an important role. The SVD is a wonderful rifle for army snipers, even the SKS in the sniper version with a 7,62x39 cartridge may well be a sniper's weapon in infantry battle formations, such as the British Milkam NV rifle (5,56x45, box magazine for 30 rounds). We had an AB precision rifle (a sports version of the three-line with a thickened barrel for particularly precise processing), the accuracy of the battle with a target cartridge of 3x2 cm by 100 meters, now these rifles are not, they went to melt down when the combat barrels were removed from the Olympic program. Why am I saying all this, "Shotgun Drama" is not due to the lack of good rifles in our country, but from the lack of understanding of the role of the sniper depending on the tasks being solved, and, accordingly, various weapons for solving these tasks. As for foreign rifles, if there is a need, you need to buy licenses, and not the rifles themselves, or, in extreme cases, do not hesitate, and how the Chinese "borrow", but I am sure that we can do our own weapons well, would be of high quality cartridges. Even "Mosinka" has not yet exhausted itself.
    1. +2
      17 May 2012 01: 25
      I don’t know for the "mosinka", but in a couple of weeks an update should come to my SCS and it will look like this:

      Kit for SCS AT (Advanced Technology)
      Manufacturer: ATI
      The kit includes a folding butt, pistol grip, adjustable cheek piece, forend with three removable picatinny rails (scope and lid not included). This kit is for those who appreciate both versatility and the power of a steel butt. Made of glass-filled nylon, it can be used equally well during any season and during any weather. The telescopic 6-position folding butt is equipped with a butt pad and an adjustable undercut. • Convenient anatomical pistol grip. • One 10 cm Picatinny rail and two 5 cm planks. • Weatherproof • Made in USA
      Price: 220 cu - not a big price for a barrel tun ...
      1. 0
        17 May 2012 17: 10
        "Mosinki", Alexander, we mainly present in the form of modernizations of the OTs-48 and OTs-48K (according to the "bullpup" scheme), the Finnish version of the SSG-96 sniper, plus variations of private firms and folk art, with changes in the stock with a butt and installation of various optics. In general, the recoil momentum of the Mosin rifle is very strong and it is better to use it with the native sights of PE, PB and PU, even PSO-1 on a three-line rifle "breaks" over time. It must be remembered that the quality of the sight mount is perhaps more important than the quality of the sight itself. In this sense, the Picatinny rail with a telescopic sight, like a rail bracket, must be attached to a reliable support, and not on a dangling receiver, as, for example, on a Kalash, otherwise it is suitable only for attaching flashlights, laser designators, or small magnification collimator sights. I like the SKS, but no longer with a metal stock. It is a pity that it, like the RPD machine gun, is not used in the army.
  18. cobra66
    0
    17 May 2012 08: 29
    Even amers recognized in Afghanistan that it is better to have a semi-automatic rifle rather than with a sliding shutter
    1. 0
      17 May 2012 09: 53
      semi automatic rifle rather than with a sliding shutter

      Here are the American snipers will be surprised winked

      There is only one semi-automatic, and the rest of the bolts:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_1ixXlQ_9w
  19. Yoshkin Kot
    +1
    17 May 2012 08: 41
    looking for what, 300-400 m. completely, bolts rule further.
  20. 0
    17 May 2012 09: 47
    About the importance of sniper events ...

    Jim Michaels - USA Today
    QUANTICO, Va.
    When the Marine Sergeant Jonathan Charles’s unit arrived in Afghanistan, the U.S. forces encountered an entrenched enemy who entered the battle with the Marines almost every time they left the base.
    “They [the Marines] couldn’t get away from the base more than 50 meters, as they opened fire on them,” says sniper intelligence Charles.
    The battalion quickly dispersed the well-disguised sniper reconnaissance teams throughout the Musa Kala region of southern Afghanistan, which was the stronghold of the Taliban. Teams sometimes waited several days, hiding in crevices, among stones or in brick advances, and waited for unsuspecting militants to fall into the trap.
    As a result, dozens of militants were killed by an enemy they had never seen. "Word of the invisible killers began to spread among <the few who left," says Charles. After a few weeks, the situation began to change and by the end of the unit's seven-month combat deployment in March 2011, 33 snipers from the battalion scout platoon had 185 Taliban killed.
    “They [the Taliban] generally left,” says 26-year-old Charles. But more importantly, when the enemy was largely neutralized, the battalion was able to focus on strengthening local security and developing Afghan security forces. This approach is the basis of the concept of anti-insurgency war, designed so that the United States could withdraw most of the combat units by the end of the 2014 year.
    In Iraq and Afghanistan, snipers quietly became one of the most effective, but least understood means of armed struggle. The development of technology and training have made them even more deadly than all previous generations. Their ability to deliver accurate shots minimizes collateral damage - a key factor in fighting rebels - and in the field of intelligence, they are often more effective than vaunted drones.
    The number of places at an army sniper school in Fort Benning, Georgia, increased from 163 in the 2003 year when the war in Iraq began to 570 last year. The Marine Corps also has sniper schools.
    Precision weapons
    The American command usually describes counterguerrilla warfare as the development of government and the economy, and the protection of the population. However, military analysts say that the destruction of key elements of the rebels helps the population to join in the victorious side. Snipers are perfect for this purpose.
    “It is much easier to win the minds and hearts when you have surgery, instead of destroying entire villages,” says Leroy Brink, a civilian instructor at Fort Benning School.
    Snipers have another advantage. They affect the psychological state of the enemy, creating an effect disproportionate to their size.
    “It suppresses the desire to fight,” says Colonel Tim Armstrong, commander of the training battalion in Quantico, about such an influence on the enemy.
    Snipers will play an outstanding role, as soon as the military after Iraq and Afghanistan will modify them into more flexible forces. According to a new strategy announced in January, the Pentagon plans to build smaller, more expeditionary forces and expand America’s ability to train local armed forces over the next few years.
    According to Andrew Krepinevich, president of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, snipers fit well into this concept: “They have proven to be capable of delivering significant results in terms of combat effectiveness. They will still be valuable.>
    Improving the training process and developing technology turned out to be a deadly combination for snipers.
    “There is a lot more science now,” says Thomas Eggers, 1-class sergeant, a leading specialist in ground forces sniper courses at Fort Benning. - Knowledge of technology, a better understanding of ballistics - this is what actually changes the rules of the game.
    In recent years, portable ballistic calculators have come into service with snipers, which calculate the effect of air pressure and other atmospheric factors on the trajectory of a bullet. Optics and rifles also have increased accuracy. Here in Quantico, the Marine Corps assembles its own high-standard, longitudinally-sliding bolt rifle.
    As a rule, a well-equipped sniper from the Second World War could be expected to hit a growth target with a single shot at a range of up to 600 yards in favorable conditions during the daytime. Today, according to Brian Litz, an expert on ballistics at Berger Bullets, an army contracting company, snipers can hit targets at twice the range — half a mile or more — even at night.
    Psychological influence
    In Iraq, the value of snipers became apparent right at the start. When, in 2004, the Marine Corps negotiated with the insurgents holding Fallujah, the enemy’s first demand was the recall of the Marine Corps snipers who surrounded the city and targeted the rebels.
    Fallujah became a symbol of rebel resistance when four employees of the US PMC were killed in an ambush, and the charred remains of two of them were hanged on a bridge over the Euphrates.
    “They were not interested in the tanks or battalions standing there,” says Armstrong, “they wanted the snipers removed.”
    Marine officers refused. A few days later, the rebels agreed to fulfill the initial conditions put forward by the Marine Corps.
    “This is a small particle that can really wreak havoc among the enemy,” says Clark Letin, a retired Marine Corps officer who was in the unit’s headquarters that was negotiating in Falluja. - Our snipers were very effective when they tried to put the terrorists at the negotiating table.
    This is a personal element of snipers, which is difficult to take into account, but which affects the enemy.
    According to Armstrong, when a rebel is destroyed by an invisible drone, the enemy perceives this as superior American technology and shrugs it off.
    They react differently to destruction by a sniper. "When they are hit by a sniper: this translates as" I wanted to fight like a warrior with a warrior and I was destroyed by another warrior, "says Armstrong," this is the psychological blow of the scout snipers on the battlefield. "
    The adversary also understood the psychological potential of an invisible adversary, which could strike at any time. Beginning in 2005, the rebels released a series of videos showing American soldiers struck by shots of an allegedly single sniper moving around Baghdad. This was an attempt to arouse fear among American soldiers by increasing the threat from invisible shooters hunting American troops.
    The U.S. Army said that more than one rebel shooter was responsible for the killings and these videos are propaganda. Military analysts say rebel shooters lack training and equipment that would allow them to fire long range at night.
    “They are not capable of firing at the ranges we are shooting at, much less at night,” Litz says.
    Glamorization by Hollywood
    Recently, snipers have been glorified in Hollywood in computer games and books. The autobiography of the US Navy Special Forces sniper, titled "American Sniper", has been on the bestseller list since its release in January.


    http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3920875
  21. +1
    17 May 2012 10: 14
    Ha, in the photo instead of Vintorez - some sort of airsoft volley of sfotan. wink And also done on the knee. laughing Not a single photo of this BCC was found on the Internet. Or the author does not chop at all in weapons? ...
    1. FreZZZeR
      0
      17 May 2012 13: 53
      Author amateur!
  22. schta
    0
    17 May 2012 10: 58
    Experience will replace both a laser rangefinder and a ballistic computer. And we need rifles and ammunition.
    1. 0
      17 May 2012 11: 44
      Ballistic calculators immediately cling to the sight and themselves introduce amendments:
      BORS by Barret /



      IEA Ballistic Computer BC01.


      they are:


  23. 0
    17 May 2012 11: 11
    By the way, Pts interesting link:
    http://warsonline.info/strelkovoe-oruzhie/v-vdv-viyavili-nedostatki-inostrannich
    -sniperskich-vintovok.html
    not everything is as simple as it turns out ...
  24. Belf
    -1
    17 May 2012 13: 20
    SVD until 1970, was designed exactly like a sniper rifle with a rate of 1,04 MOA (angular minutes).
    The problem is that when using non-sniper ammunition, the accuracy of the SVD fell by an order of magnitude. MO asked to make the rifle more versatile in the use of ammunition, which was done, which in turn led to a slight decrease in the accuracy of the rifle (not critical).
    In continuation of the SVD, it seems that all the figures are documented in the west, according to their performance, one of the best barrels. But experts will surely come out who will say that the SVD is only called a "sniper rifle".
    1. Supervision
      0
      22 July 2012 18: 16
      until 1973 with such indicators, after which they changed the combat charter and changed the pitch of the rifling from 320 mm to 280
  25. Opertak
    0
    17 May 2012 13: 32
    Steyr-Mannlicher SSG 04 is already well established in the market- tests in the Airborne did not pass. Shamanov: Not suitable for battle.
    1. Supervision
      0
      22 July 2012 18: 18
      agitated rifle requiring special care, which we do not have
  26. radikdan79
    +1
    18 May 2012 01: 03
    and in Russia there is something, only a bit more powerful:
    http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sniper-rifles/rus/lobaevsvl-r.html
    Caliber: .408 Chey-tac and others, by order of the user
    Mechanism: manual reload, longitudinally sliding rotary shutter
    Barrel: length and profile vary according to the wishes of the user
    Weight: varies according to the wishes of the user
    Length: varies according to the wishes of the user
    Shop: single-shot rifle, optionally - 5-charge detachable box



    The Lobaev sniper rifle, or SVL for short, is produced by a small private enterprise Tsar-Pushka LLC in the city of Tarusa. This rifle is completely atypical for Russia, since it was developed by a private person and produced by a private enterprise, not a large state-owned plant. In addition, rifles "Tsar-Cannons" are always made strictly for a specific customer, in accordance with his individual requirements. The design of the rifle was developed by Vladislav Lobaev, a famous sports shooter who performed in the benchrest category, and eventually became a gunsmith and creator of high-precision rifles for sports, hunting and sniper shooting. With rifles designed by Lobaev, a number of prestigious shooting competitions have been won, several SVL sniper rifles of .408 Chey-tac are in service with the Presidential Security Service. On the basis of the design of the SVL sniper rifle for civilian use, the Lobaev OVL hunting rifle is produced, suitable for hunting at long ranges and for participating in high-precision shooting competitions.

    Lobaev's rifles are produced in a wide range of both serial calibers (.408 Chey-tac, .338 Lapua, etc.) and for "non-standard" cartridges (wildcat). In the version chambered for .408 Chey-tac, the SVL rifle provides an effective firing range of up to 2 meters. When using correctly selected cartridges, the manufacturer guarantees the accuracy of fire of the SVL rifle at the level of 200 - 0.2 MOA (minutes of arc), which is at the level of the world's best sniper and target weapons.

    Almost all components of the Lobaev sniper rifle are produced by the Tsar-Cannon enterprise itself under the strict control of the designer himself. The basis of the rifle is a specially designed receiver and a bolt group with a rotary bolt, which has three radial lugs in the front. The receiver is made of aluminum alloy, a stainless steel liner is installed in its front part, into which, in turn, the barrel is fixed and behind which the bolt is locked. The SVL rifle is equipped with high-precision interchangeable barrels, also produced by Tsar-Pushka LLC. The barrels are made of high-quality stainless steel, and, if necessary, can be quickly replaced (the resource of one precision barrel before the loss of accuracy is much less than the resource of the rest of the main components of the rifle). A muzzle brake and / or an adjustable compensator can be installed on the rifle barrel. The rifle receiver is mounted on a specially designed stock made of carbon-kevlar (exclusive technology of Tsar-Pushka LLC) or carbon fiber. The stock has a relatively low mass, but at the same time high rigidity and resource. The stock features an adjustable cheek comb and an adjustable butt pad. The trigger mechanism is adjustable. The basic version is a single-shot rifle, but the Tsar-Cannon company also offers a magazine-fed version of the rifle. SVL and OVL rifles are not equipped with open sights. Instead, a Picatinny rail is made on the upper surface of the receiver, on which, using appropriate brackets, any type of optical sights can be installed according to the wishes and capabilities of the customer.
  27. chenderoni
    0
    12 June 2012 14: 50
    some kind of hunting
  28. 0
    4 October 2012 13: 39
    The arms plant of the Promtechnologii Group of Companies produces high-precision hunting, sporting and tactical rifles using the most advanced technologies.
    The modern research and development base, unique high-tech equipment, qualified engineering, technical and managerial personnel, high-quality raw materials, as well as the participation of shooters in the development of the plant's products guarantee: with ORSIS rifles, the most complex tasks can be solved.