Stories about weapons. Anti-aircraft artillery complex С-60

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Probably, it was somewhat incorrect to lay out the ZSU-57-2 before C-60, but that’s what happened. Meanwhile, C-60 is still the beginning, and ZSU-57 is the ending stories. Well, so forgiven the author is.



So, the progress of all military equipment during the Second World War set in motion the design mechanisms of all countries. And first of all, those who were responsible for air defense. I think few people will argue what exactly aviation took not just a step forward, it was a leap. Having started the war with biplanes, some participating countries ended the war with actually ready-made jet aircraft. But the Germans and Japanese even managed to even apply them.

Headache for air defense was becoming more real.

After all, in order to shoot down a target flying at high altitude with artillery anti-aircraft fire, it is necessary to saturate the sky in front of it with a large number of shells. Perhaps yes hook at least one. Normal practice of the time. So, anti-aircraft machines of medium and small calibers. At a high altitude, everything is somewhat different; there, on the contrary, large-caliber anti-aircraft guns exhibited a barrage, the shells of which produced a large number of fragments.

But now it’s not about them.

Stories about weapons. Anti-aircraft artillery complex С-60


During World War II, the weapons of the belligerent countries consisted of small-caliber automatic guns with magazine-fed power up to 40 mm. Enough with a vengeance. After the war, when both the height and the speed of the aircraft grew, and even the armor appeared, it became clear that something had to be changed.

This is well understood in the USSR.

The assignment that the designers received was “a secret”. The new gun was supposed to be able to inflict damage in the air to a well-armored and fast bomber (the sample that was available to the B-29 was taken) and on the ground to the medium tank. For the model of the tank was adopted "Sherman". Everything is clear, everything is available.

If we are talking about tanks, it is not surprising that the experienced designers of the Grabin Design Bureau won the competition between the three design bureaus. Just working on the ideas of the anti-tank gun 57-mm, whose history is known. Punched everything.



And TsACB under the leadership of Vasily Grabin soon presented the project of Lev Loktev. Theoretical calculations made by Mikhail Loginov.


Vasily Gavrilovich Grabin



Mikhail Nikolaevich Loginov



Lev Abramovich Loktev


In 1946, the gun was submitted to the state commission, then there was a period of treatment of childhood diseases and improvements, and in 1950, under the designation “57-mm anti-aircraft automatic gun AZP-57” the gun was adopted. Serial production was carried out at the plant number XXUMX in Krasnoyarsk.

The new gun was supposed to replace the 37-mm anti-aircraft gun 61-K, which was a rather unsuccessful design, and physically and morally obsolete, and did not meet the requirements imposed by modern small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery.

The C-60 complex, which included the 57-mm anti-aircraft gun ARP-57, included an anti-aircraft gun installed on a towed platform and a fire control system of automatic and semi-automatic type.



In general, it was a good breakthrough.

With-60 "lucky", almost immediately the complex was tested in the run-in during the Korean War. Significant deficiencies in the ammunition supply system were identified, which were urgently corrected, since the ability to work in the military was not forgotten. There were no complaints about the guidance systems.

Thus began the military service of the C-60.



The complex, that is, "went." It was supplied to our “allies” in the Department of Internal Affairs, bought by those who could pay and gave to African followers of communist ideas just like that.

Of the more than thousands of 5 issued by C-60, the lion’s share has gone abroad. And in some countries it is still in service.

Naturally, the C-60 cannons took part in all imaginable and inconceivable conflicts of the second half of the 20 century in Africa, Asia and the Middle East.



Automation AZP-57 is based on recoil with a short course of the trunk. Piston-type lock, sliding, return due to hydraulic and spring shock absorbers. The power supply from the store on the 4 cartridge.

The barrel length 4850 mm to reduce the power of the recoil was supplied with a single-chamber muzzle brake of reactive type. Air cooling, when the barrel is heated above 400 degrees Celsius, forced cooling, the equipment for which is included in the spare parts of the gun.



There was a marine version of the gun, AK-725. She was distinguished by the presence of forced water cooling using seawater.



For transportation of the C-60 complex, a four-wheeled platform with torsional depreciation is provided. For the chassis used wheels type ZIS-5, with the filling of tires with spongy rubber. The towing speed of the platform 25 km / h on the ground, to 60 km / h on the highway.

An army truck (6х6) or an artillery tractor is used for towing.



The weight of the complex is about 4,8 tons in the stowed position. The transfer of the system from the combat position to the traveling one, according to the standards, takes 2 minutes.









To aim the AZP-57 complex, a vector semi-automatic sight is used. The targeting of guns included in the anti-aircraft complex was carried out by several methods:

- automatically, using information from PUAZO;
- in the semi-automatic mode, in this case information from the sight ESP-57 is used;
- indicator, manually.

For the normal functioning of the C-60 complex, it was necessary to bring the battery from 6-8 guns into a single system with a short to PUAZO (anti-aircraft fire control device) or SON-9 (gun-landing station). Calculation tools 6-8 people.




[center] Tubular frame for canvas awning. The canopy protected the gunners from the sun and at the same time from fragments that inevitably fell from the sky when firing at high angles of elevation.





Tribute to modernity: electro-hydraulic drive














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And here, in principle, the sunset of the towed charger began. With excellent ballistic characteristics, C-60 could not defend troops on the march. And, as we have already concluded in the article about the ZSU-57, the column on the march without air defense is a gift to the enemy. And to transfer the system into combat mode, it took time to deploy the guns, deploy the control system and deliver ammunition.

While inferior in the artillery system characteristics of the likely enemy, they were initially on a self-propelled chassis, which significantly accelerated the time of their combat deployment. This ultimately led to the decommissioning and transfer to the C-60 reserve.

It’s not that ZSU-57 became a panacea, or enemy complexes were better, no. The "probable" was all the same. The dimensions of the electronics of those years did not allow to build everything on one chassis, so everyone had a choice: mobile, but "slanting" self-propelled ZSU, or accurate memory with automatic guidance, but with a long deployment time.

We won the first. And there we came and “Shilka”.

The depth of the use of weapons in depth was up to 6 km, with an armor-piercing or fragmentation projectile, this was a fairly effective means of defeating light armored vehicles and enemy manpower.

The mass of an 57-mm projectile is about 2,8 kg, the technical rate of fire is about 60-70 rounds per minute.

In general, the gun turned out ... however, and when Grabin did not get guns?

Interestingly, today the relevance of the ARQ-57 is still there. More and more talk is going on the fact that the caliber of 30-mm on lightly armored vehicles such as the BTR and the BMP is beginning to not cope with its tasks. And we must go further, in the direction of 45-mm.

Meanwhile, in the 90 of the last century, an attempt was made to modernize this remarkable instrument. A uninhabited module was developed for installation on AU220M armored vehicles, but this module is not currently adopted, as the military considered that 30-mm automatic guns were enough for their targets on the BMP.

While enough, we note. What will happen when heavy BMPs and BMPTs, weighing from 40 tons and with armor that the 30-mm projectile does not take, still appear on the scene, you can predict.

When the old corn hurts, they remember the old boot. So, for AZP-57, everything is not yet complete and it's too early for scrap. And the module may well be useful.

After all, do not even have to invent anything new. Clips on 4-5 shells are few? But for the AK-725 a tape power system was developed.

New is sometimes just a well forgotten old.
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  1. +4
    14 July 2018 06: 40
    New is sometimes just a well forgotten old.
    That's it. The idea of ​​Tukhachevsky about a universal gun over which Makhanov A-51 and Grabin F-20 was revived worked in the prewar years. Grabinskaya F-20 which later became the prototype of the F-22 gun
    I think few people will argue that it was aviation that took not just a step forward, it was a leap. Having started the war with biplanes, some participating countries ended the war with actually ready-made jet aircraft. But the Germans and Japanese even managed to even apply them. The Ministry of Aviation was very interested in adopting the aircraft into the arsenal of Great Britain in order to use the psychological effect of the presence of jet fighters on both warring parties. This was doubly important, since the Luftwaffe was already arming the combat units with the Me-262 World War II fighter jets.
    Initially, the RAF decided to use the Meteors to combat the German “retaliation weapon” - the V-1 projectile (the British also called it - the buzzing bomb). These shells, received in the RAF documents the code name "Diver" (Divers) carried a significant threat to the moral condition of the British nation.
    Japan did not use jet aircraft during WWII, it only tried to build aircraft under German licenses. In the fall of 1943, representatives of the Japanese Embassy in Berlin were invited to familiarize themselves with secret German jet aircraft. The presentation made a big impression on the Japanese and they started negotiations on the purchase of a license. However, consent for its acquisition was received only in March 1944 after the visit of the Japanese delegation to Adolf Hitler. Goering ordered the allies to be provided with a set of design and technological documentation for the gliders and engines of the Messerschmitt Me-262 A-1a and Me-163 B-1a aircraft. In addition, in accordance with the agreement, Japan, accompanied by a group of German specialists, had to send one ready-made plane and two sets of spare parts each.
    n / samoleti-imperatorskogo-flota / 79-istrebiteli-na
    zemnogo-bazirovanija / 298-japan-istrebitel-nakajim
    a-joy-1-kikka
    1. +15
      14 July 2018 09: 12
      Quote: Amurets
      That's it. The idea of ​​Tukhachevsky about a universal gun over which Makhanov A-51 and Grabin F-20 was revived

      I'm afraid you are very mistaken.
      Unification is good. Universalization promoted by Tukhachevsky is Evil. With a capital letter
      Here we observe precisely unification, not universalization.
      1. +1
        14 July 2018 11: 27
        I will argue with your statement. For example, 4 barreled anti-aircraft machine guns abandoned by the Germans were then collected in dozens. Having created the ability to apply for ground targets, prices would not have been for them. There were cases of the use of these “specialized anti-aircraft” systems on the ground, gunners quickly died, because the power of fire attracted all means of fire, and the position of the airman as an ideal undefended target ... Only by 1945, when attacking Berlin, dozens of 37 mm anti-aircraft guns were assembled and ground fire covered the enemy’s position with an area of ​​continuous explosions, with such art support and attacks were incomparably successful. And "specialization" prevented earlier use, though by the fall, following the example of the Germans, they began to use an anti-aircraft, but our not universal 85mm gun ... Life itself indicated how to act and what weapons ... The idea is correct M. Tukhachevsky, but messed up in connection with the slander and execution of M. Tukhachevsky, and thoughtless citizens echo slander .... For understanding, I will state the following: the ZHUK (Volkswagen) car was admitted from 1939 to 1980 and was very successful and successful. N. Khrushchov ordered the construction of a similar one, they made the ZAZ 966 the same according to the technical specifications, but the performance was unsatisfactory and life was short ... They also needed to be created, but they hindered the search, creating the best option, the Yu-87 would have ended in 1941 year ...
        1. +13
          14 July 2018 12: 11
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          For example, 4 barreled anti-aircraft machine guns abandoned by the Germans were then collected in dozens. Having created the ability to apply for ground targets, prices would not have been for them.

          8))) A great example of the total advantage of unification over universalization.
          Unification, of course, is evident here. 4 barrels for anti-aircraft gunners, one for the pool. units
          And now let's think about using the machine as a means to combat infantry. And here everything is exceptionally sour. Excessive rate of fire (4 on one barrel will create a much more uniform density of fire than 1 with four trunks). At least 4 times longer reload time. Near-zero maneuverability on the battlefield ...

          Quote: Vladimir 5
          The idea is correct M. Tukhachevsky, but messed up in connection with the slander and execution of M. Tukhachevsky, and thoughtless citizens echo slander ....

          Not only "mindless citizens" but also gunners. 8)))) Everything is beautiful on paper, in real life there are so many insoluble problems both in the technical and economic sphere, and in the sphere of tactics and combat work, that you ask only one question: why didn’t they strangle this Napoleon.
          The result of his projection was that we came to the beginning of World War II with even less balanced divisional and regimental artillery than it was on the eve of World War I, and also with a huge shortage of anti-aircraft artillery.
          1. +1
            14 July 2018 15: 22
            You don’t understand the essence, they had powerful specialized weapons, and the use of one-sided and not necessary critical moments turned out to be inapplicable. The point is to use them in widespread use and in ground battles, while the “specialized” ones are not suitable and disappeared as a GIFT in the Second World War. Why did the post-war ALL anti-aircraft installations have a shield for working on ground targets (like the C60), you don’t think why., This is a direct confirmation of the correctness of M. Tukhachevsky ... Of course, you cannot attract all the artillery to anti-aircraft capabilities, but 45, 76 mm even more...
            1. +10
              14 July 2018 16: 33
              Quote: Vladimir 5
              Why post-war ALL anti-aircraft installations had a shield for working on ground targets

              You do not confuse episodic use in the case of force majeure and universalism.
              All of our anti-tank systems and anti-tank systems have the ability to fire at air targets. But no one suggested in the style of Tukhachevsky “let’s give up air defense systems and MANPADS, increase the maximum possible angle of elevation of anti-aircraft systems and create a universal system capable of fighting air targets and armored vehicles with equal efficiency.
              SAMs can destroy ground targets, ATGM air, but no universalism "Tukhachevsky-style" is not present here.

              Touching the shield cover, if it had even minimally interfered with firing on air targets, they would not have been installed.

              For example, a 152-mm self-propelled guns are quite capable of "breaking off" from an enemy crawling out onto a fire. Narot is trained, the gunner has a direct aiming sight, the ammunition store has cumulative ammunition and shells with gas missile defense with the installation of a fuse on the buckshot. But this does not make the same 2C3 anti-tank gun, or self-propelled "MONK". There is no universalism, the main task of self-propelled guns is shooting from a PDO. And just that.
              1. +1
                14 July 2018 20: 06
                Please specify, does this gun have anything in common with the ZIS-2, except for the designer?
                1. +3
                  14 July 2018 20: 55
                  Caliber.
                  Hint that no unification? I agree. But I would be careful to talk about the universality of this weapon.
            2. +2
              14 July 2018 17: 15
              Quote: Vladimir 5
              You don’t understand the essence, they had powerful specialized weapons, and the use of one-sided and not necessary critical moments turned out to be inapplicable. The point is to use them in widespread use and in ground battles, while the “specialized” ones are not suitable and disappeared as a GIFT in the Second World War. Why post-war ALL anti-aircraft installations had a shield for working on ground targets (like the C60), you don’t think why., This is a direct confirmation of the correctness of M. Tukhachevsky ... Of course, you can’t attract all the artillery to anti-aircraft capabilities, but 45, 76 mm, even very. ..


              Find me a shield on the ZU-23-2. I look and do not see at point blank range
              1. -1
                15 July 2018 21: 50
                The sense in the application of ground targets, a shield as an additional protection. If you haven’t seen it, take a closer look at it, it’s welded on many jihadmobiles, and “Shilka” is just the highlight of the program, and the S-60 went into action in Syria. The Germans were saved at the beginning of the Second World War by the universal Flak -36 88mm anti-aircraft gun, do not have it, there is nothing to stop the KV-1 with ...
                1. 0
                  20 July 2018 14: 20
                  do not be her, there is nothing to stop KV-1 ...

                  The most interesting thing was what. And they stopped. True, if the HF reached the enemy ...
    2. +3
      14 July 2018 20: 10
      Nikolay, thanks for the additional information. I did not know that the Japanese, under a German license, were planning to build jets.
      German jets are pretty well known, but almost nothing about the Japanese or English
      1. +1
        15 July 2018 00: 08
        Quote: Royalist
        I did not know that the Japanese, under a German license, were planning to build jets.

        Nothing really interesting. Unless typically Japanese Ohka manned missiles.
        http://airwar.ru/enc/sww2/ohka.html
        A brief educational program on airplanes, for example, here
        http://airwar.ru/enc/fww2/j8n.html
        Quote: Royalist
        English almost nothing

        ??
        Quote: Royalist
        German jets are pretty well known

        The Germans, with their searches for the wunderwaffe, introduced a lot of underdeveloped vehicles into the battle. First of all, I remember the bloody insanity of Salamander. At the same time, the British and, above all, the Americans could afford to develop new aircraft in training mode without unnecessary casualties. The best mass-produced jet fighter of the spring of the 45th year - of course, Shutingstar.
  2. +2
    14 July 2018 07: 58
    In Vietnam, they were given a second life, computerized ... modernized the projectile system.
    1. +2
      14 July 2018 08: 22
      Filing as was manually clips of 4 shells, and remained.
    2. +2
      14 July 2018 08: 56
      Yes, of course, you can call the PSA (computer), a tube analog, which stood on the RPK-1, a computer. But somehow he does not pull on it ...
      1. +3
        14 July 2018 10: 46
        In 70 years there were AVK (analog computing complexes). For calculations, a very convenient thing. Obtaining an exact figure is not always necessary; it is enough to know the changes with the initial value.
        1. +10
          14 July 2018 13: 35
          Quote: demiurg
          Obtaining an exact figure is not always necessary; it is enough to know the changes with the initial value.

          - Dad, how old is five six?
          - (having estimated on NLka) somewhere around 28-31.
          The next day:
          - Dad, I put math 2, said that the correct answer is 30!
          - (More precisely, having estimated on NLke) Well, yes, 30. But what for is such accuracy?

          1. 0
            16 July 2018 09: 05
            Slightly different. Instead of the exact value in numbers, a signal change is generated. PSA, in principle, doesn’t matter with what to work with, that with digital changes, that with a change in signal. The accuracy and calculation time are comparable, or even AVK is better, because It works in real time, regardless of the complexity of the task.
      2. +3
        14 July 2018 12: 15
        It's about modernization


        https://defence.ru/article/vo-vetname-sozdali-rob
        otizirovannuyu-versiyu-sovetskoi-zenitki-video /
        1. +2
          14 July 2018 13: 44
          Thank you, I did not understand right away. It is strange that they remade SON-9 and POISO-6-60, since the S-60 was equipped with RPK-60 from the beginning of the 1s, which was better than SON-9 and PUAZO-6-60, replacing them. True, in RPK-1 there were as many as 2 transistors P4.
          Automatic loader - here I somewhat did not understand what a great gain. Judging by the frames, 3 clips are placed there, providing continuous firing of 12 shells. The rate of fire of the AZP-57 is 120 rounds per minute. But without forced cooling of 15 shots, a break of 5 minutes, 40 shots - 20 minutes, as far as I remember, otherwise khan trunks. Three clips in a row a pair of full-time loaders will serve no worse than an automatic machine.
          1. +2
            14 July 2018 20: 10
            to Vietnam, as, by the way, and to other allies, they delivered the S-60 with sleepyheads and paunchies. Vases went only to myself, my beloved
            1. +1
              14 July 2018 21: 12
              Some part, apparently, was with RPK-1, since the teacher in the late 70s shared with us personal experience in the combat use of Vazi specifically
              1. +1
                15 July 2018 10: 00
                Exactly in Vietnam? Maybe in the Sinai? Then, along with the Soviet S-125, there could be S-60 with Vazs.
                1. 0
                  15 July 2018 13: 56
                  Forty years, of course, it affects memory, where to go, I can’t vouch for 100%. A photo of RPK-1 after Shrike crashed into my memory.
  3. +10
    14 July 2018 07: 58
    As the commander of a fire platoon of this same S-60:
    - What a canvas canopy ?! How can gunners, range and angle-speed operators work from under it ?! Frame with canvas only for storage and transportation. It is removed when bringing the gun into combat position.
    - There is no hydraulics there. The drives are purely electromechanical.
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  5. +4
    14 July 2018 11: 09
    The new gun was supposed to replace the 37-mm anti-aircraft gun 61-K, which was a rather unsuccessful design, and physically and morally obsolete, and did not meet the requirements imposed by modern small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery.
    Why did this 61-K become a failed gun? In fact, this gun is one of the best examples of anti-aircraft artillery of the 1930s and 1940s.
  6. +5
    14 July 2018 11: 59
    “Having started the war with biplanes, some participating countries ended the war with actually ready jets. But the Germans and Japanese even managed to use them.”
    Only the Germans managed to gain full combat experience in using jet aircraft.
    The British jet aircraft of World War II, although they were used over German territory and in the defense of England against German cruise missiles, had only a few combat episodes.
    Other countries did not manage to apply their developments.
    1. 0
      20 July 2018 14: 25
      Only the Germans managed to gain full combat experience in using jet aircraft.

      Not really. German turbojet engines, and with a huge mass of flaws, went into series only at the end of 1944.
  7. +4
    14 July 2018 13: 01
    I recall this complex .... I could not "get to know" the guns themselves, but the POISO and gun radar were repaired in the workshop for repairing radar equipment, where I managed to work after school before the army ... Eh ... there were times before. ....... recourse
  8. +1
    14 July 2018 14: 54
    the depth of use of the gun was up to 6 km, with an armor-piercing or fragmentation projectile it was a rather effective means of defeating light armored vehicles and enemy manpower.
    The mass of an 57-mm projectile is about 2,8 kg, the technical rate of fire is about 60-70 rounds per minute.
    It’s not for the tankers and the anti-tonkistamzn ... I would create a tank destroyer moving on a tank base with a high zenith of a tip, so that even during a raid, create a curtain of fire, but the main thing is the enemy tanks. The ones that were attacked until the 45th year, then glory to our tank crews and anti-tankers, They learned to storm from the sky throughout the war, the concept of stopping NATO tank wedges was born. In Afghanistan, this concept demolished half a slag. Bring the ammunition to the point (
    + -) It’s worth it to cover and amaze. By the way, with the cannon discussed in the article it’s fine, it means --- the shattering fragments do not mow completely, forcing them to work under enemy fire at maximum speed.
    Not .... a good thing, these guns (they also beat the armor-piercing gun due to the high mobility and speed of the turn, excuse me, comrades tankers ... this becomes a factor on the battlefield. I don’t understand why they didn’t develop this topic when the high-fighting bat moves towards the tank danger anti-aircraft guns and radar, such as "Zoo), but so that it’s chopped off at the time of the battle and throws off the battery’s targets
  9. +2
    14 July 2018 17: 45
    But for the AK-725, a tape power system was developed.


    For installation on armored vehicles? And carry the sea with you to cool the trunk?

    wassat

    The gun is good, but can’t shoot bursts with armored vehicles for a long time. At sea is another matter entirely.
  10. +3
    14 July 2018 20: 15
    Excuse me, is that all?
    About the application history, nothing, about the OShS of regiments with S-60, too, even about the guidance devices, the author managed to confuse. Initially, POISO and SON were used in conjunction, then, from 62 years old - RPK-1 VAZ.
  11. +3
    14 July 2018 20: 23
    Quote: Vladimir 5
    You don’t understand the essence, they had powerful specialized weapons, and the use of one-sided and not necessary critical moments turned out to be inapplicable. The point is to use them in widespread use and in ground battles, while the “specialized” ones are not suitable and disappeared as a GIFT in the Second World War. Why did the post-war ALL anti-aircraft installations have a shield for working on ground targets (like the C60), you don’t think why., This is a direct confirmation of the correctness of M. Tukhachevsky ... Of course, you cannot attract all the artillery to anti-aircraft capabilities, but 45, 76 mm even more...

    The idea is certainly attractive: one gun and anti-aircraft defense and anti-tank missile and an escort weapon, but in reality this is at least doubtful. And Tukhachevsky is a very, very dubious person
  12. +1
    14 July 2018 20: 33
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    The new gun was supposed to replace the 37-mm anti-aircraft gun 61-K, which was a rather unsuccessful design, and physically and morally obsolete, and did not meet the requirements imposed by modern small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery.
    Why did this 61-K become a failed gun? In fact, this gun is one of the best examples of anti-aircraft artillery of the 1930s and 1940s.

    I agree: -37-mm was perfect as a means of defense. I once heard on TV that most of the downed German planes: merit 37 mm
  13. 0
    14 July 2018 22: 04
    The material is well chosen and the photos are beautiful.
    And the S-60 for that time was just that. That's just: "to bring the battery of 6-8 guns into a single system", in my opinion the battery consists of 4 guns. There were 8 gun batteries in the Republic of Ingushetia, but after the nuclear war weapons, on the initiative of V.K.Sergey Mikhailovich, 6 gun batteries began to be made. In the Soviet Union before the Second World War and during the Second World War and then there were 4 gun batteries. As for the S-60, I don’t know, maybe they were made 6-8 guns?
    1. +2
      14 July 2018 23: 47
      We had 2 fire platoons of 3 guns in each battery. About 8 - the manual was written, I remember. Technically possible - the central distribution box had 8 connectors. But never heard of 8-gun batteries.
  14. 0
    15 July 2018 07: 04
    All are welcome! Friends need your help in terms of expert opinion. in the bowels of the net, I found a photo of one child prodigy and clashed about it in social networks about what kind of return this thing should have and whether it can be used on a tripod, rather than a stationary one. Who has any opinion?
    1. 0
      15 July 2018 16: 33
      It’s almost impossible to use even one such machine gun with a light tripod at maximum rate of fire.
      1. +1
        15 July 2018 17: 42

        Multi-barrel machine gun M134 'Minigun' on an infantry machine.
        M134 Minigun on infantry machines exists. A number of citizens and private companies own a certain number of M134 Miniguns issued before 1986. These machine guns can be seen on periodically organized for all comers, such as the Knob Creek machine gun shot.
        The recoil force of the M134D Minigun machine gun at a rate of fire of 3000 rounds per minute (50 rounds per second) averages 68 kg, with a peak recoil force of up to 135 kg.
        As for the prodigy in the picture, it seems to be a product of the creativity of the Guns Of Icarus Online players in Photoshop .. In any case, this thing is being discussed on the forum.
        1. 0
          20 July 2018 18: 07
          thanks for the info
    2. 0
      15 July 2018 17: 59
      It is possible, but not for long, and only as a jet engine for the shooter. Or forcefully reduce the rate of fire, but then the point is in this setting?
      1. 0
        16 July 2018 09: 10
        For single machine guns, the rate of fire is artificially limited in the region of 800-1200 rounds. Density of fire is enough for all tasks.
        1. 0
          20 July 2018 14: 17
          For single machine guns, the rate of fire is artificially limited in the region of 800-1200

          Well, not always artificially. Here a lot depends on the automation.
  15. 0
    17 July 2018 18: 51
    Hmm, I started for health and ended for peace ... The author is either not in an aunt or deliberately deceiving, but there was a double-barreled self-propelled version of this gun on a tracked chassis, and the gun is still used in the Navy. And why does Roman think he knows what is going on in the minds of generals from the MO better than they are?
    Meanwhile, in the 90 of the last century, an attempt was made to modernize this remarkable instrument. A uninhabited module was developed for installation on AU220M armored vehicles, but this module is not currently adopted, as the military considered that 30-mm automatic guns were enough for their targets on the BMP.

    1. The AU220M module was developed only 3 years ago and is now undergoing military missions.
    2. In the 90s, or more precisely, in 1992 a project appeared to re-equip the PT-76 with an automatic gun from the AZP-57 with magazine power (clip for 5 shells). There was no talk about BMP, from the word in general, and the project itself was closed due to the lack of funding in connection with the collapse of the USSR. AU220M has a tape power, not a store one. Yes, there is one gun, but in the AU220M there is a later modification.
    1. -1
      17 July 2018 19: 09
      Self-propelled zinit was called ZSU-57-2, as the chassis was the T-54, the launch began in the late fifties, in 57 or 58 years. They were released for about 10 years and spat on Roman with his allegations that this was not the case.
      1. 0
        14 August 2018 01: 24
        The author on ZSU-57-2 had a separate article, and at the end of this there is a link to it. You have to be more careful.
  16. 0
    19 July 2018 16: 40
    Such a gun was very necessary in the Great Patriotic War. Although she did a good job in Vietnam twenty years later.
    1. TVK
      0
      15 July 2019 23: 46
      Loginov did not have time to finish it himself, he died in October 1940. Loktev returned to her only in 42, using the theoretical calculations that he personally received from Loginov the night before leaving for treatment in the Crimea, where he died. Would this gun be at the beginning of the war, another would be the alignment .....