Bulgarian "Sprut". Light amphibious tank that democracy killed

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This material is dedicated to the project of the Bulgarian lung tank the end of the 1980s, which can be called the Bulgarian "Octopus". This is the first and only tank that was designed in Bulgaria. Unfortunately, due to the breakdown of democracy in the 1990s, production never came to production.



By the middle of 1980's. The Bulgarian military by strategic analysis came to the conclusion: in view of the prevailing mountainous terrain in the Balkan theater, we need a light "mountain" tank, which has great firepower, mobility and reduced radar visibility.

Under socialism, Bulgaria had a well-developed military industry and a fairly high design potential. The main brain center of the army was the Military Scientific-Technical Institute in Sofia (VNTI), and he was entrusted with this project.

During the formation of the TTH of the tank, the designers considered the Yugoslavian T-84 (T-72) as a potential "opponent". The Bulgarian light tank must have a weapon capable of striking T-84 at medium distances, which is typical of mountainous terrain. In this case, the Bulgarian tank should have greater mobility and less visibility. For comparison: in tests it was planned to use T-72 already in service with Bulgaria. It was expected that Turkey and Greece would soon acquire new “Leopards-2”, which required an adequate response in accordance with the specifics of the relief in the Balkan Peninsula.



As a basis, the Bulgarian designers took the Gvozdika self-propelled guns, which, together with the MTLB armored personnel carrier, were manufactured under a Soviet license at the military plant 9 May in Cherven Bryag. Earlier on this base, the Bulgarians developed their first BMP-23 and produced 150 units. It was developed and produced a small series of BMP-30 with a tower and weapons from the BMP-2.

Work on the project started in 1987-88. The body of the BMP-23 was shortened by removing one row of rollers, reinforcing the booking. So improved maneuverability. For better buoyancy, we slightly increased the height of the sides. The clearance has been increased. Added 2 track rollers. In Bulgaria, according to their projects, tracks with a rubber cushion for the T-72 have already been manufactured at the Zebra plant in Kurilo. Such was developed for the new LPT. Swimming should be carried out by rewinding the tracks.





An innovation was the use of multi-layered armor from a zeolite plate - a special mineral that was mined in the Rhodopes. It is very effective against cumulative ammunition. The Bulgarian designers have developed such armor and put it on the T-55 domes. The outer layer of armor of a new light tank should have radio-absorbing characteristics due to a special material and the absence of a gap between the sheets. It was planned to use a special technology for mounting.

Bulgarian "Sprut". Light amphibious tank that democracy killed


For the power plant, it was planned to use a horsepower 600 — 700 diesel engine. Initially, the designers thought to take the engine from the T-55 or T-72, but then they abandoned this idea. The opportunity to buy compact turbo engines of corresponding capacity in Sweden was opened, we decided to use it. In the future, the Swedish engine was planned to be mastered in the production of the Vasil Kolarov plant in Varna. The plant itself was built by the British firm Perkins and produced diesel engines in large batches for Bulgarian trucks.

The weight of the tank should not exceed 18 tons. The crew was supposed to consist of 3-s people. The armament of the tank should be from the 7,62-mm coiled PKT machine gun and 12,7-mm NSVT machine gun or 14,5-mm CPVT. A PKT machine gun was already produced at the Arsenal plant in Kazanlak.

The basic one weapons the tank was supposed to be the Soviet 100-mm gun MT-12 "Rapier". Its production according to Japanese and German technology was planned to be established at the Cherven Khalm heavy mechanical engineering plant in Radomir, which had the most modern equipment. It was believed that the plant will be able to improve the guns and combine it with an automatic loader. The ammunition was supposed to include 40 shells, the production of which was to be mastered at the Vyksa Steel Works in Sopot. For guaranteed destruction of well-armored vehicles at long distances, a special composition of ammunition with cores of high-strength material was developed.

In Bulgaria, armor was produced by several companies: a metallurgical plant in the town of Pernik, the Khan Krum military repair plant in Targovishche, the Beta plant, and Cherven Bryag, where the BMP-23 had already left the assembly line. The production of the tank itself was to be carried out at ZTM Cherven Bryag, Radomir.

By the end of 1988, the preliminary draft was ready and considered at the highest state level. Were invited and Soviet experts, who, after reading, gave the project a very high rating.

Since the tank was to be commissioned not only by the Bulgarian army, but also to be exported, the Soviet experts still showed a certain jealousy. Instead of continuing to develop, the Bulgarians were offered to supply Soviet PT-76 at a very low price and to assist in their modernization. The then Deputy Minister of Defense of Bulgaria, Boris Todorov, categorically opposed this proposal, citing the following argument: PT-76 does not meet modern conditions. Todorov criticized weak armor and the D-56 cannon that were not powerful enough to fight modern tanks. The PT-76 “floating tank” concept itself was optimized for better buoyancy, which was not suitable for the role that the Bulgarian light tank was to play. Ultimately, Soviet experts objectively evaluated the project. They agreed that the tank is quite modern and meets all requirements. The work began to boil again, the layout of the hull and parts began It was necessary to develop test samples. According to the plan, they should have been tested at the Bulgarian and Soviet test sites.

Meanwhile, 10 November 1989 broke out, the day when major changes in social and political life began in Bulgaria. Initially, this did not affect the course of the design, although funding was sharply reduced. Contacts were established with Israeli firms for the supply of the most advanced surveillance devices for the tank.

But ultimately, supporters of "democratic values" did their job. All achievements of VNTI were abandoned, funding stopped, the institute was closed. All specialists were fired. Documentation on the development of the institute was destroyed or left where it was not clear. The only model of this promising machine has been preserved. Military enterprises, factories, plants went bankrupt and closed. The Bulgarian military industry in 1990-x was destroyed in the same way as in Russia.

Technical characteristics of the project tank:
• weight - 18 tons;
• crew - 3 person;
• engine - HP 600-700;
• speed on land - 70 km / h, on water - 6 km / h;
• armament: a smooth-bore cannon of caliber 100 mm (with automatic loader), a machine gun of caliber 12,7 mm or 14,9 mm, smoke grenades;
• ammunition - 40 shells;
• Armor developed by technology "stealth".

Actually, this is all that is known about an interesting car, which, no doubt, could appear not only in the Bulgarian army, but also in the army of the USSR and other ATS countries.

Note. The author of the material could not establish the original name of the tank. The abbreviation LPT used in the text is conditional.
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  1. +5
    1 July 2018 06: 47
    Very interesting and informative.
    1. MPN
      +9
      1 July 2018 11: 23
      What industry was ruined, because everything could be done and the equipment developed and produced at its plants ... But what is there, in \ in Ukraine, one to one, everything happens ... sad
      1. +8
        1 July 2018 13: 41
        What industry was ruined, because everything could be done and the equipment developed and produced at its plants ... But what is there, in \ in Ukraine, one to one, everything happens ...

        This happened on a particularly large scale in the Russian Federation, in the meantime. Destruction statistics are depressing. They are comparable to the damage inflicted in the big war. And all this was possible to the West without a single shot! The defeat in the Third World War was reflected worst of all on the closest allies of the USSR. Bulgaria, as the military-political ally of the USSR is faithful, was punished with especially harsh, ostentatious!
        1. 0
          2 July 2018 13: 01
          Quote: pytar
          Bulgaria, as the military-political ally of the USSR is faithful, was punished with especially harsh, ostentatious!

          This is when Bulgaria was the "most faithful ally" of the USSR? Maybe in the Second World War? Can you recall what Abverstelle did in Sofia? Or how did the Bulgarians shoot down American planes allied to us?
          1. +1
            2 July 2018 17: 20
            Or how did the Bulgarians shoot down American planes allied to us?

            Like this:
            The USSR and Bulgaria were in the dipl. relationship before 05.09.1944
            The United States and Bulgaria were at war in the same period, although it was called symbolic, but the American bombing of Sofia was not symbolic and killed many victims - mostly civilians. (there were no strategic military installations in the Sofia region)
            1. -1
              2 July 2018 17: 54
              1.SSSR and Japan in 1945 were in deep. relationship!
              2. The United States and Bulgaria were at war because Bulgaria was an ally of Hitler.
              1. +1
                2 July 2018 23: 04
                Well, when bombs are pouring on your head, will you sit and ask them to pour more?
                A la guerre, com la guerre!
                1. -1
                  3 July 2018 10: 19
                  Quote: alatanas
                  The United States and Bulgaria in the same period were at war, although called symbolic,

                  Typical Bulgarian philosophy is war, but symbolic, and we are like brothers. A month ago, your prime minister asked Putin for a free gas pipeline and said that Russia was an “elder brother,” and this month “fraternal” Bulgaria supported sanctions against Russia.
                  1. +3
                    3 July 2018 12: 44
                    Burned, tired of you! negative
                    An article about tanks and not sanctions. There are no free gas pipelines, as well as free dinners.
                    The Turks shot down the plane, the envoy (ambassador) was killed, and now your first friends. hi
                    1. -1
                      4 July 2018 09: 34
                      Quote: alatanas
                      Burned, tired of you! negative
                      An article about tanks and not sanctions. There are no free gas pipelines, as well as free dinners.
                      The Turks shot down the plane, the envoy (ambassador) was killed, and now your first friends. hi

                      Article about tanks ??? And what about our plane? Hmm, the wrong nation Zadornov recalled ...
                      1. 0
                        4 July 2018 09: 42
                        Typical Bulgarian philosophy is war, but symbolic, and we are like brothers. A month ago, your prime minister asked Putin for a free gas pipeline and said that Russia was an “elder brother,” and this month “fraternal” Bulgaria supported sanctions against Russia.

                        Serge Gorely, staty about Bulgarian light amphibious tank"Did you read it?
                        Doesn't it bother you that you write about completely different things? bully
                      2. 0
                        4 July 2018 11: 42
                        "
                        Hmm, the wrong nation Zadornov recalled ...

                        Judging by your writings, he meant individuals like you - regardless of nationality!
  2. +4
    1 July 2018 07: 04
    There is an increasing feeling that all ideological and political battles have one important basis - economic. Bulgaria was destroyed “ideologically”, and industry (including defense) was destroyed quite financially ... Competition is a painful necessity of capitalism, artificially supported by legislation (antitrust laws!), But you can’t stand on ceremony with “newcomers” wassat
    The idea of ​​the tank is interesting. Rather, a mobile anti-tank self-propelled gun. More stable in battle than towed artillery, more mobile. Never a tank, like the Octopus ...
    1. +6
      1 July 2018 07: 20
      That is yes. For some reason, the most important step on the road from "communist slavery" to Western "freedom and democracy" was the destruction of its own industry. This was not avoided by any of the post-Soviet countries.

      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The idea of ​​the tank is interesting. Rather, a mobile anti-tank self-propelled gun. More stable in battle than towed artillery, more mobile. Never a tank, like the Octopus ..

      No, this is not an anti-tank self-propelled gun, too weak a weapon for this. Rather, a direct-fire fire support combat vehicle such as the American "Stryker M1128 MGS" with a 105-mm gun. Means of strengthening units on the BMP-23
      1. +2
        1 July 2018 09: 55
        "No, this is not an anti-tank self-propelled gun" rather it is a very witty hybrid: a tank, self-propelled guns and infantry fighting vehicles. I’m not sure that this Octopus would be widespread, but for a certain theater of operations it’s a very interesting development. Of course, during the military tests, many shortcomings would have been revealed - it’s always like that, but it's still a pity that I did not go into the series
        1. +3
          1 July 2018 10: 22
          Quote: Royalist
          this is a very witty hybrid: tank, self-propelled guns and infantry fighting vehicles

          That is, a direct support fire fighting combat vehicle.
          It differs from a tank in that it has the worst protection. And as a result, another place in battle formations, behind the infantry "line"
          The main difference from self-propelled guns is direct-focus sharpening, as well as the ability to fully move around the battlefield with a gun in combat position. Which at least allows you to fire from short stops. For self-propelled guns, this is not recommended. Well, ideally, if there is enough money, stable weapons and the ability to fire in motion.
          1. +3
            1 July 2018 12: 12
            Most likely, this is such a "mountain" tank. Its buoyancy is limited due to absence of any major water partitions in the Balkans. In the mountains, you do not need a super-powerful gun, since there is no direct visibility to the largest distances. That was taken into account by Bulgarian specialists. In the mountains it is more vigorous, mobility / passability / and secrecy. Standard tanks "wide". In the mountains, they lose their advantage in protection and firepower, while losing on mobility. Bulgaria tank would have undoubted tactical advantages over most tanks in service with the Balkan countries. Probably the closest modern analogue of this type, is likely the little-known Chinese "horns tank". The Chinese still had a T-60 from the 62 — an easy cross-country vehicle, and they recently had a modern car designed for high-altitude databases.
            T-62

            Nova Chinese horns tank.
      2. +2
        1 July 2018 10: 08
        Lopatov. The machine is “imprisoned” for a certain theater and could show itself well: while Leo gets out on the mountain, “Octopus” has time to give a couple of “plop” and go.
        It is a pity that the author did not give data on dimensions and booking
        1. +3
          1 July 2018 10: 27
          Quote: Royalist
          Lopatov. The machine is “imprisoned” for a certain theater and could show itself well: while Leo gets out on the mountain, “Octopus” has time to give a couple of “plop” and go.

          The only adequate option to combat the enemy’s armored vehicles in the mountains is the ATGM

          You can, of course, as Italians, or Japanese, use for this tank destroyer on a light chassis. From the ambush. But then a high probability of hitting the target with the first shot in a duel situation at short and medium distances is needed. That a 100 mm gun at that time no longer provided unambiguously.
        2. 0
          1 July 2018 12: 39
          It is a pity that the author did not give data on dimensions and booking

          Unfortunately, in the open source data, there is no such data. request
      3. +1
        1 July 2018 12: 37
        No, this is not anti-tank ACS, too weak a tool for this.

        The defeat of T-84, T-72, Leopard, etc. tanks gun of that caliber, guaranteed special projectile. In the open press there is no information about this development. All technical documentation "disappeared" during the events after 90 ...
        According to indirect information, there is information that a projectile of a special composite construction having internal core kinetics was developed. According to calculations, the use of such a projectile design allowed the effective defeat of medium tanks, even with caliber 85 mm. The choice of 100 mm - Rapier was dictated, just her characteristics and the fact that she was suitable for the projectile! Bulgarian 100-mm special anti-tank projectile had better performance than the counterparts of the higher and lower Caribres. This is the case when the gun was chosen for the projectile!
      4. avt
        +1
        1 July 2018 15: 35
        Quote: Spade
        No, this is not anti-tank ACS, too weak a tool for this.

        request It is exactly the ACS PT and
        Quote: Spade
        too weak a tool for this.
        Because with the old ,, Rapira "That is a contemporary, if you will, T-54 / 55. But not T-72. And it’s not like
        Quote: pytar
        it’s such a “horns” tank.
        never! Rather, ersatz PT-76. "What is the elevation angle of the trunk? Does anyone really believe that, like a hundredth, Bahchi?" bully Really ,, mountain "- the Chelyabinsk object 782. And this option from the article is certainly cool, but ..... actually it's good that they didn’t ruin the series.
        1. 0
          1 July 2018 16: 11
          It is exactly the ACS PT and

          The ACS has a conditional “selective” purpose. For what is called SAU. A tank is an offensive weapon. In LPT, the concept of offensive weapons for complex mountainous terrain. He is a tank.
          Because with the old ,, Rapira "That is a contemporary, if you will, T-54 / 55. But not T-72. And it’s not like

          The Old Rapier, with direct aiming and average distances characteristic of the mountains, can quite easily break the T-72. To that decision to choose it exactly, dictated by the characteristics of the special ammunition. We are talking about a design that represents something like an abandoned tube-gun with a wedge-shaped core and its own explosive charge.
          What is the elevation angle of the trunk?

          Unfortunately there is no data on this indicator. But you can be sure that the designers considered it. In all cases, it is larger than that of T-72 / T-84 /, and even Leopards.
          1. avt
            0
            1 July 2018 18: 12
            Quote: pytar
            Self-propelled guns has a conditionally "selective" purpose. That's why it is called self-propelled guns.

            bully So the abbreviation is straightforward and is deciphered - not a Self-propelled Artillery gun, but .... Comprehensive .... bully
            Quote: pytar
            A tank is an offensive weapon.

            bullyAnd in defense it doesn’t apply, but in general - it is necessary to prohibit reverse gear in tanks - only at the pirate! bully But the ACS on the contrary - only back on the defensive. bully
            Quote: pytar
            In all cases, it is larger than that of the T-72 / T-84 /, and even the Leopards.

            This is all about nothing. In the real mountains of Afghanistan, we were faced with quite realities - only BMP-2s with more than 30 could work perfume up from the serpentine, but to throw something more weighty there, but under real fire, no MBT could. and
            Quote: avt
            Chelyabinsk object 782.
            with anti-ballistic tower reservation
            1. 0
              1 July 2018 19: 09
              I exaggerated a little lol , but the fact that it was the TANK that was designed, and not the ACS, should tell you what it is about.
              We had created and produced the BMP-30, on the buzz of the BMP-23 with the dome of the BMP-2-ki. So, the BA had an analogue of the BMP-2, but there was no tank that could work successfully under the same conditions. And why did we need just such a tank as LPT? Yes, because in the mountainous conditions, when a tank goes to a tank, LPT would have advantages over 84 and Leo2. Ride 72-ku on the same mountains? LPT will be both more maneuverable and quicker, and he could hit at such distances T-72 / 84! Impact group BMP-23 / 30 with LTP, could cover the whole range of tasks during battles in the mountain ranges of the Balkans. In mobility, they would have an advantage over the South or NATO counterparts. In the South Army, it is a BMP-M-80 and T-84. M-80 has a weaker armor than the BMP-23 / 30. And the T-84 is heavier and less maneuverable. The Greeks M113 and Leo2 fall into a similar situation. By the way, LPT does not abolish the use of T-72, which in the Bulgarian SV there were several hundred. The main part of them would probably be redirected to the 3-army in the Turkish direction, since there the terrain is more flat with the opponents of the M60 and Leo2.
    2. +2
      1 July 2018 12: 23
      The idea of ​​the tank, dictated by the military-strategic situation in the Balkans during the Cold War and the features of the relief in the Balkans. The command of ATS in the meantime, saw the FIS Yugoslavia, as a militarily unfriendly country. Bulgaria, as a member of the Department of Internal Affairs and in accordance with the plans of the general defense of the Union, held the 3 army in three strategic directions. 1-in the Yugoslav direction / West /, 2-in Greek / South-Center / and 3-in Turkish / South-East /. As far as the threat from the sides of Yugoslavia was considered, it can be judged by the fact that the first and most modern T-72s that Bulgaria received from the USSR at that time were deployed to defend Sofia in the city of Gorn Banya — this is in the 1 army. Yugoslavia also received T-72 and began producing them under the Independence T-84, which posed the question for the Bulgarian military, to find an effective, exalted answer according to the mountainous terrain of the Western Balkans. Probably, if the production of a light tank had begun, then the 1-BHA would have received it first. He is just "sharpened" on the actions in the mountains. In the south / Center-2BGA / having such a tank, the Bulgarians would also gain an advantage, since the entire southern border, in fact, passes through the southern slopes of the Rhodope mountain massif. As said in the staty of the tank, it should have had an advantage over T-84 and Leopards, precisely on the relief characteristic for the Balkans.
      1. 0
        1 July 2018 14: 04
        Tanks do not operate on such reliefs. It would be easier for the Yugoslavs to advance through the territory of Romania and force the Danube than to shove through a narrow neck. I used to drive along the old road there, so even 300 people do not need to shut it tightly. A couple of mortars or howitzers and a couple of machine guns are enough to cover, after which storm the stopped convoy even before turning blue.
        1. +2
          1 July 2018 14: 28
          If Esli is on the defensive on the path of the JNA's successful offensive against Sofia, then yes ... But here we are clearly talking about the onset of 1-BHA on the territory of the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, to occupy strategic milestones. Corresponding ATS groups were also available in Hungary. In Romania, the ATS was not particularly able to read out. Therefore, LPT was supposed to attack and break into the highlands. This is not as selective as an offensive weapon. The military doctrine of the SFRY envisaged all-round defense, both from NATO and all-Russian forces.
          1. 0
            1 July 2018 20: 03
            I don’t know how socialist Bulgaria and Hungary are, but the Soviet Union did not exactly plan an offensive military operation on the territory of the SFRY. In the Turkish or Greek direction there was still some sense in stepping on the straits, and in Yugoslavia what did we forget? Macedonia for the Bulgarians to conquer? Hardly.
            1. -1
              1 July 2018 21: 20
              ..but the Soviet Union did not plan an offensive military operation on the territory of the SFRY.

              Have you seen the plans of the Soviet Union? ATS plans for the third world? Accurately seen? laughing In any case, Stalin had some plans for bias Tito did. And definitely, in the case of need, they would be reinforced accordingly. But it was earlier.
              As for the 80s, I didn’t see any plans either. Judging by the known disposition of the Armed Forces ATS. The Bulgarian Armed Forces were deployed in accordance with the overall plans of the alliance to wage war with NATO. Above enclosed card. The 1-BGA was located precisely for action on the Yugoslav direction. I do not know whether the ATS was going to attack the SFRY, but we can be sure that with a certain development of the scale conflict with NATO, ATS could have occupied some strategic areas of this country without its consent. For example, if non-compliance is not observed or when the inevitable need arises, go to the Adriatic coast. Each Bulgarian staff officer, if asked, says that the BGA 2 and 3, in the case of 3-MB, were supposed to repel the attacks of the Greek and Turkish army and detain them until the Soviet and Romanian troops cross the Danube. In the event of a favorable development, the BHA 2 should have flown to the shores of the Aegean Sea, and the BHA 3 should have occupied Istanbul and the straits, if possible even before the arrival of the main ATS forces. 1-BHA was supposed to act on the Yugoslav direction, according to the situation and the decision of the Main Command of the Department of Internal Affairs. In general, the training of personnel in each of these army 3 conducted against a particular enemy, according to its deployment. For example, the officers 3-BGA taught Turkish. In 1-BGA taught Serbo-Croatian. bully
              1. -1
                2 July 2018 00: 15
                was to occupy some strategic areas of this country without her consent. For example, in case of non-compliance with neutrality or in case of the inevitable need to wail on the Adriatic coast.

                What strategic areas are there in Yugoslavia? Wine road and monasteries of the 12th century? The Greek coast is much closer and there are fewer mountains along the way. Yes, and it is not necessary without straits.

                In 1-BGA, they learned Serbo-Croatian

                What for? In Serbia everyone understands perfectly Bulgarian. I suspect it is being used there as a church.
                1. -1
                  2 July 2018 08: 46
                  What strategic areas are there in Yugoslavia?

                  You Andrey ... were late ... request It was necessary to ask the command of the police department while it existed! laughing
                  In Serbia everyone understands perfectly Bulgarian.

                  I believe that they understand better ... bully
  3. +2
    1 July 2018 07: 25
    It’s good that I didn’t go into production. And then now these machines would work somewhere in Syria or in the Donbass.
    1. +1
      1 July 2018 09: 59
      And this is debatable: the car is “imprisoned for a certain theater of operations” and in Syria or the Donbass would feel “not comfortable”
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  4. +2
    1 July 2018 08: 10
    Zeolite, as I understand it, is one of the zeolites. And since Bulgaria, clinoptilolite.
    1. +1
      1 July 2018 09: 35
      Can you give more details about these materials?
      1. +2
        1 July 2018 09: 40
        Here's what the Wiki about zeolites says:
        It is currently the raw material for the production of soft drinks, specialized food products and biologically active food additives.

        It is used as a means of replenishing the need for minerals and improving metabolism. It has an effect on the course of inflammatory processes and the activity of the immune system in various acute and chronic health conditions.
        1. +2
          1 July 2018 10: 21
          In addition, clinoptilolite is quite durable, resistant to high temperatures, acids, radiation. It swells when heated. As I understand it, they used a layer to protect against cumulative shells and radiation. Perhaps not the best option, but cheap.
    2. +1
      1 July 2018 12: 01
      Zeoliths are the largest group of minerals. In Bulgaria, there are the largest deposits of zeolite in the world. This 6 is found mostly with clinoptilolite и mordenite. This is a micro-porous material which, as it turned out, very effectively suppresses the cumulative jet. Which of the subspecies of zeolite, precisely used on Bulgarian tanks could not be found. T-55 tanks with protivokumulyativnye boxes on the sides of the kupuleah I personally saw on the railway. Echelons, when they were sent to Macedonia in 2001, the Sotq city, the Bulgarians presented to the Macedonians during the armed conflict with the Kosovo gangs who had penetrated the territory of the republic. By the way Alexander (old_pferd) right that this material has anti-radiation properties. The ego is crawled in atomic centers to clean up radioactive waste.
      1. +1
        1 July 2018 14: 28
        As for the largest zeolite deposits in the world - cut sturgeon. The fact is that, strangely enough, the world reserves of zeolites have not been estimated. In many countries, there are no data on reserves; zeolites are widespread everywhere and it is often considered to be a meaningless exercise to count.
        1. +1
          1 July 2018 14: 53
          AlexanderYou are right. But here most likely there is a speech about some more rare breeds and subspecies of clinoptilolite ??? or mordenite ??? It is known that they differ in their structure and properties. There is no information in the open sources, but we can assume that various of these 6 discoveries were tested. It is clear that for the anti-cumulative protection, the most suitable was chosen. hi
  5. 0
    1 July 2018 11: 06
    Thanks to the Democrats that this miracle did not go into the series. And then, what good, some clever people from the Central Committee would force our military to take it into service. In order to support socialism in a fraternal country. And I have something with deep skepticism about the genius of Bulgarian designers. And they would have had sex in tank regiments like a driver with Georgian Colchis.
    1. +1
      1 July 2018 11: 57
      And I have something with deep skepticism about the genius of Bulgarian designers

      This is your personal (I hope) opinion based on a lack of awareness, but this is not a reason to offend. feel
    2. +2
      1 July 2018 15: 58
      Are you a designer or whistler on the forum? I did not understand the level of your competence.
  6. +2
    1 July 2018 11: 48
    It was planned to establish its production using Japanese and German technology at the Cherven Halm heavy engineering plant in Radomir, which had the most modern equipment.

    Specification: "Cherven Grave" - ​​Radomir.
    1. +1
      1 July 2018 12: 49
      the grave in Russian does not sound very much ... sings hlm for Russian readers better ...
      1. 0
        2 July 2018 16: 52
        I agree in principle, but there is the city of Mogilev, for example ....
        1. 0
          2 July 2018 17: 20
          As far as I know, city names Mogilev has a slightly different occurrence. Wiki writes: In the “Chronicle of the City of Mogilev” it is said that this name comes from the name of Prince Lev Danilovich Mogy (the mighty lion), who built the Mogilev castle in 1267. Some researchers associate the origin of the name of the city with the name of the Polotsk prince Lev Vladimirovich, or Leo the Mighty. There is also a version about the origin of the name of the city from the Finno-Ugric grave - “mountains above water”
          Word the grave (Russian, Bulgarian) - the burial place of the body of the deceased. The Cherven Grave plant was built in the village of the same name. He was the largest heavy machinery plant in the Balkans in the meantime. By the way, the ego was never completed. Near the village, really are antique villa rustic и burial necropolis. So Alexander, you are right and I agree with your note. hi
          1. +1
            2 July 2018 23: 14
            The grave and coffin are not unambiguous in the Bulgarian hezik. Yes, Ima is a mass grave, but in the toponymy of the grave it is artificially nasipan halm, but a rag and we’ll be more precise.
            Translation for non-Bulgarian speakers:
            The grave and coffin are not unique in the Bulgarian language. Yes, there is a "mass grave", but in toponymy the grave (in Bulgarian) is an artificial hill, to be exact.
  7. -1
    1 July 2018 12: 35
    "The main weapon of the tank was to become the Soviet 100-mm MT-12 Rapira gun. They planned to establish its production using Japanese and German technology ....."! ???
    What is it like ?
    Soviet cannon - MT-12 Rapier, made "by Japanese and German technology"?
    News however!
    1. +2
      1 July 2018 13: 01
      Soviet gun - MT-12 "Rapier", made "by the Japanese and German technology"? The news however!

      For some news perhaps ... You still read the text carefully.
      "... Soviet 100-mm gun MT-12" Rapier ". Her production on Japanese and German technology planned to establish..."

      “The Red Machine's Combined Machine-Building Plant was located in Radomir. It was a supermodern factory, fully equipped with Japanese and German technology, the last word of science and technology. The plant in Radomir could produce guns of calibers above 100 mm." - the words of one of the developers of the Bulgarian tank, polk. Zdravko Hristov.


      The fact is that Todor Zhivkov did not save currency on the modernization of the military industry. They bought all the most modern equipment from the West. The quality of the product, because it depends on the technology and production machines! As a result, the quality of the Bulgarian military products was often higher than that of the Soviet original. It is still the case now, but I don’t want to unscrew the new thread in the discussions.
      1. -1
        1 July 2018 13: 47
        The quality of Bulgarian military products was often higher than that of the Soviet original. It is so now

        I can’t disagree, almost all Middle Eastern barmaleys prefer Bulgarian products to Chinese. A Bulgarian fragmentation rounds for the RPG-7 is generally a terrorist’s dream.
        1. -1
          1 July 2018 13: 49
          AK Bulgarian production, for example, has a greater trunk resource than the Russian. This is due to a more modern production technology. The Bulgarian designers, not wishing to "improve" the design of the drastich, and went along the line of improving the production technology and the use of better materials.
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            1 July 2018 20: 27
            So I do not argue. Until recently, equipment at the Arsenal was about 20-50 more modern than at Izhmash. Only now, on the contrary, already. We have set everything new. And as for the barrel’s resource, you didn’t put it very correctly; in Russian AKs it very much depends on the year of manufacture. And for the Bulgarian, it is much more stable as without deviations from technology.
            Only you sell their rabble to everyone uncontrollably, and then Russians are killed from the Bulgarian AK by Bulgarian ammunition.
            1. 0
              1 July 2018 21: 30
              Only you sell their rabble to everyone uncontrollably, and then Russians are killed from the Bulgarian AK by Bulgarian ammunition.

              A lot of nonsense write on this topic. Everyone sells to everyone who pays. Do not unscrew and there is such a dispute. Do not get to one opinion. That's for sure. hi
  8. +5
    1 July 2018 14: 31
    Thanks to the author for the rare material about the Bulgarian military-industrial complex !. I am not indifferent to Bulgaria, since the 90s I have been there on the coast several times. But even with the example of Burgas and Varna, it was noticeable how "De ... r ... dey" crippled them. And the development is interesting and would load several RB factories, but alas angry
    1. 0
      1 July 2018 20: 36
      What is interesting in it? They thrust the ancient Rapira into a middle-aged moto league, made a shell for it with a tungsten core, and gathered to fight on this hybrid with Leopard 2 and T-72. Very reminiscent of the latest Ukrainian tank developments.
      1. -1
        1 July 2018 21: 43
        Very reminiscent of the latest Ukrainian tank development.

        Sometimes everything starts to remind that something ... Absolutely everything! laughing I do not know...
        In your opinion, that the Soviet specialists, who rated the Bulgarian development quite positively, were from Kharkovskiy TK? wassat An interesting hypothesis ... I would not have thought of this! I admit! lol
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          2 July 2018 00: 29
          So you yourself wrote that you evaluated in comparison with the PT-76. I would be very surprised if the development of the end of the 80s would lose to an antique nedotank with a nedopushka :)
          1. -1
            2 July 2018 08: 35
            So you yourself wrote that you evaluated in comparison with the PT-76.

            WHERE it writes -"evaluated in comparison with PT-76" ?? belay
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              2 July 2018 11: 53
              In one paragraph, you describe the story of not taking the PT-76 into service and getting positive feedback on your own design from some unnamed Soviet specialists. Obviously, specialists had to evaluate the design, including in comparison with competing samples, of which at that moment only PT-76 existed.
              1. -1
                2 July 2018 12: 27
                In one paragraph, you describe the story of not taking the PT-76 into service and getting positive feedback on your own design from some unnamed Soviet specialists. Obviously, specialists had to evaluate the design, including in comparison with competing samples, of which at that moment only PT-76 existed.

                Information on the case comes from recalling the participants in the design. They are more detailed, but since this is beyond the scope of the article, I did not go into details. LTP would probably occupy some narrow export niche. And it is unlikely that the LTP and PT-76 would be "competing models." According to the then Minister of Defense and the participants in the PT-76 project, there was a car of a different purpose and a different order. What Soviet specialists participated in the consultations, I could not establish. The problem comes from the fact that the documentation was destroyed or "missing." So, it is unlikely that we will compete in different kinds of assumptions.
  9. -1
    1 July 2018 17: 18
    Quote: MPN
    What industry was ruined, because everything could be done and the equipment developed and produced at its plants ... But what is there, in \ in Ukraine, one to one, everything happens ... sad

    It’s easier to say (because there is very little) that they did not destroy.
    The people exterminate American mercenaries as efficiently as the native inhabitants of America at one time.
    Address of the Bulgarian to the Russian people:
    http://genocid.net/%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%89
    %D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B3
    %D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BA-%D1%80%D1%8
    3%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D1%83-%D0%BD%D0%B
    0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%83/

    “Life has deteriorated so much that 25% of people over the age of 21 have left Bulgaria”
    This is the statistics for 2011. According to data for 2017, the situation has worsened: 35% of people over the age of 21 have left.
    1. -1
      1 July 2018 18: 06
      In fact, the situation with the demographic catastrophe has much older roots. The author of the appeal is not quite right. These are processes that occur not immediately and not in such a short period. It all started in 50 with the communists forcibly adjusting the village. The generation of Bulgarians born after 50 was 2,5 times less than before. During socialism in Bulgaria more than 1000 villages disappeared. It was a genocide. Moreover, he touched exactly the Bulgarian ethnos. Gypsies and Turks began to multiply. The entire general growth of the population of Bulgaria during the social years, was generated by Roma and Turks. The Bulgarians were waning. The percentage ratio between ethnic groups has changed dramatically. After 90, emigration began and the situation worsened. The people who held half a century behind the barbed wire of the "happy" socialist camp, fled the world at once, as the camp fell apart. In short, the crime of the communists is that they have launched this process. The crime of the Democrats is that they did not try to stop him. All the same in recent times is planned reverse processes. With the improvement in the economy, more and more Bulgarians are returning from emigration. But this is a topic for another article.
      1. 0
        1 July 2018 20: 12
        This is where they come back then? In Malko Tarnovo? Drained? In the village? In Sofia and Plovdiv there are even fewer people, in Burgas and Varna there are crowds at the expense of visitors, and in the outback there are empty cities where gypsies ride carts in the center.
        1. 0
          1 July 2018 21: 00
          Ndaaaa, everything is lost, the plaster is removed, the carts ride.
          1. 0
            2 July 2018 00: 39
            Why don’t they ride? And there are no cities in ruins? And the central heating is not cut? And the electricity network is not sold to the Austrians? And the roads are all in perfect condition and completely free?
        2. 0
          1 July 2018 21: 46
          Yes. Actually, where they want to settle there. We have the freedom of movement and arrangement. Not as before, when there was a serf "right" socialist. laughing By the way, now Bulgaria is the second in the EU in terms of the percentage of property owners. Who is the village, who is in the city, and most of the here and there. After 90, it was restituted, so people were returned back to the fields and forests. hi
          1. 0
            2 July 2018 00: 43
            This is what surprises me the most in Bulgaria - nobody does anything, but everyone has an apartment and a car and a summer house, and even some money is found somewhere.
            1. -1
              2 July 2018 08: 41
              This is what surprises me the most in Bulgaria - nobody does anything but everyone has an apartment and a car and a summer house, and even some money is found from somewhere.

              Nothing to be surprised. Just take that passage /nobody does anything/ line, it is not related to reality. laughing
              1. 0
                2 July 2018 11: 45
                :) yeah. Bulgarians are Balkan Chinese :)) at least 18 hours a day work without raising their heads. The remaining 6 hours reflect on streamlining the workflow :)
                1. -1
                  2 July 2018 12: 35
                  In all countries there are lazy people who constantly complain "oh, how bad everything is", and there are hard workers who are successful. bully
                2. 0
                  2 July 2018 14: 33
                  Obviously, you have not been to Bulgaria for a long time, or are trying to wit. Of course, no one plows in Bulgaria 18 hours a day, but we do not have Asian capitalism. People work normally and live normally.
                  But with screams - The mustache is gone, go to the arc forum.
                  1. 0
                    2 July 2018 16: 15
                    Guess where I am now? Hint, a check mark is displayed above the post :)) and you still did not answer about the carts in the center of Sliven and Malko Tarnovo in ruins. And I was far from everywhere.
                    1. -1
                      2 July 2018 16: 56
                      ... and you still did not answer about the carts in the center of Sliven and Malko Tarnovo in ruins. And I was far from everywhere.

                      I’m not so opposed, but with your personal subjective impressions of life in the country of Bulgaria, it is probably better to share in another forum where the subject matter is relevant. Here the topic is about something else ... and the comment, as yours come under the definition - flood. hi
                      1. 0
                        2 July 2018 22: 25
                        Actually, dear Putar, I'm not talking to you, but I'm talking to Mac Simka. This time.
                        Under the definition of "flood", a comment as mine cannot be by definition. Learn the language of the hostesses, these are two.
                        The comment is not very consistent with the topic of the post and may fall under the definition of "off topic" I apologize to you as a topic for the starter and take my leave, these are three.
                    2. 0
                      2 July 2018 23: 33
                      The fact that you are under the Bulgarian flag is not a criterion for your comprehensiveness. In Sliven, the year 3-4 could only be driven back in a cart without breaking anything on the chassis. Then they dug up the whole center, but there was not enough money to dig and pave. Then the mayor was a former footballer Lechkov. In Malko Tarnovo was 3 years ago and did not see any special ruins. Here is the industrial zone (former) of Nikopol - as if the Germans were bombarding Dresden. In the outback of Russia, too, everything can be seen.
  10. +1
    2 July 2018 11: 01
    The ATS command, meanwhile, looked at the SFR of Yugoslavia as a militarily unfriendly country. Bulgaria, as a member of the ATS and in accordance with the plans for the general defense of the Union, held 3 armies in three strategic directions. 1-in the Yugoslav direction / West /, 2-in Greek / South-Center / and 3-in Turkish / South-East /. How thoroughly the threat from the sides of Yugoslavia was considered can be judged by the fact that the first and most modern at that time T-72, which Bulgaria received from the USSR, were deployed to defend Sofia in the city of Gorna Banya - this is in the 1st Army.

    No one was preparing any war against Yugoslavia, all the more so there was no foul odor for Yugoslavia for Bulgaria from the West in the 80s. After the start of the so-called “revival” process in 1984, the only odor for Bulgaria came from Turkey and a new tank was intended for this theater. On the border with Turkey, on a large stretch, there is the Rezovska River and there is Strandzha Mountain. There was a theater of action of this "mountain, floating" tank. The tank’s cannon is designed to fight the Turkish modernized M-48 and Leopard -1, the best tanks of the Turkish army then. At that time, they began to develop a modern krilat rocket, which could reach the entire territory of Turkey as a deterrence weapon.
    The alliance with the USSR, of course, then persisted and beat the police department, but the Soviet leadership did not approve of the policy of assimilation of the Turkish Maltsinism in Bulgaria and there were already signs that the police department might be dissolved. Such an opportunity has already hit the horizon. In such circumstances, and with the preservation of NATO, the only way to preserve socialism in the Balkans hit the alliance of the NRB with Romania, Yugoslavia and Albania. Why it didn’t work out is another matter and another conversation.
    1. 0
      2 July 2018 11: 36
      Nobody was preparing any war against Yugoslavia, all the more, there was no foul on the side of Yugoslavia for Bulgaria from the West in the 80 years.

      As for this, the opinions of military historians differ. I am not aware of any documents in the public domain. It is definitely known that at the beginning of 50 there were such plans. It is likely that the OVD still had some kind of plan for responding to the territory of Yugoslavia later. Moreover, the Soviet political and ideological doctrine provided for interference in the case of need, in the internal affairs of a socialist state. And the ATS was a tool projected by military force beyond the borders of the union. Without appropriate VIs, this is not possible. Yugoslavia was definitely on the perimeter of these interests, as was Albania. According to the participants in the project, LTP ..."... must have characteristics that enable him to counteract the technology being and / or coming to be adopted by a potential enemy." Who was the potential enemy, it becomes clear if we look at the map from the deployment of the Bulgarian army.
      1. +1
        2 July 2018 23: 43
        Potential opponents were Turkey and Greece, as members of NATO, but Yugoslavia also needed to be kept under the eye, because in some local conflict between Bulgaria and one of the likely opponents it was always clear that Yugoslavia would not support Bulgaria, or would support only formally and then after a strong diplomatic onslaught by the USSR
    2. 0
      2 July 2018 11: 41
      It sounds much more logical than an attack on the strategic regions of Yugoslavia. I think that you are closer to the truth than a respected author.
    3. +1
      2 July 2018 14: 35
      In our regiment headquarters hung an operational card from the first-level units of the UNA. And we had exercises on covering the western direction in the late 80s.
  11. +1
    2 July 2018 15: 15
    “The main weapon of the tank was to be the Soviet 100-mm MT-12 Rapira cannon. They planned to establish its production using Japanese and German technology at the Cherven Halm heavy engineering plant in Radomir, which had the most modern equipment. It was believed that the plant would be able to to improve the gun and combine it with an automatic loader. The ammunition was supposed to include 40 shells, the production of which was to be mastered at the VMZ in Sopot. For guaranteed destruction of well-armored vehicles over long distances a special composition of ammunition with cores made of high-strength material was worked out. "

    But then the liberals came and ruined everything (
  12. +1
    2 July 2018 23: 23
    Mooh,
    SW MoON, I certainly agree that in Bulgaria they go in carts and in Sliven and Malko Tarnovo and many more where. But in Bulgaria they don’t sleep on the roads, do not piss in the central porches of Sofia and don’t bother with “acid” opposite “Alexander Nevsky”. And all this I have already seen more than once in Paris and Vienna and in Brussels and Rome, and many more where. Now what is the conclusion I have to make?
    The problems in Bulgaria are not that everyone does not go everywhere to Maybach with Behs, and not that there is an internal migration to big cities. Since 2017, the urban population of Zemili has exceeded the rural one. This is an objective process. The problem of Bulgaria is the depopulation of some areas and the emigration of the population in the segment of 18-30 years.
  13. +1
    3 July 2018 10: 10
    Quote: Vova Kabaev
    “The main weapon of the tank was to be the Soviet 100-mm MT-12 Rapira cannon. They planned to establish its production using Japanese and German technology at the Cherven Halm heavy engineering plant in Radomir, which had the most modern equipment. It was believed that the plant would be able to to improve the gun and combine it with an automatic loader. The ammunition was supposed to include 40 shells, the production of which was to be mastered at the VMZ in Sopot. For guaranteed destruction of well-armored vehicles over long distances a special composition of ammunition with cores made of high-strength material was worked. "(

    1. The name of the plant in Radomir is "Cherven Grave". Cherven Bryag is not the name of the plant (as in the material) but the city where the Beta plant is located letting out MTLB and Gvozdiki.
    2. A 100 mm guided projectile was most likely intended to destroy tanks over long distances.
  14. 0
    3 July 2018 11: 03
    Quote: alatanas
    Potential opponents were Turkey and Greece, as members of NATO, but Yugoslavia also needed to be kept under the eye, because in some local conflict between Bulgaria and one of the likely opponents it was always clear that Yugoslavia would not support Bulgaria, or would support only formally and then after a strong diplomatic onslaught by the USSR

    Here we are not talking about who needs to be kept “under the eye”, but where the main threat comes from then and where the main theater of action for the new light amphibious tank is foreseen.
    The military doctrine of Yugoslavia then always was beaten defensively against both NATO and the ATS, and such a deployment was always beaten by the deployment of its armed forces. This knew very well the Soviet and our military-political leadership. Moreover, in the late 80s, no offensive operations against Yugoslavia and no threat on its part can be invented now. I understand that UTB may be needed now if they want to revive development today, but you can’t talk about the past.
    The plan to cover the western border always struck, just in case, because Yugoslavia was not beaten by a member of the police department, and besides, it itself could have been bit attacked and occupied by NATO forces.
    So the main theater for the new tank then beat the relatively low mountain region of Strandzha between the two rivers Veleka and Rezovsk and the Black Sea coast. Therefore, the tank should be beaten and floating, which gave him significant tactical superiority in this area.
    LPT also needs to beat a bit cheap and produced a large series of local industry. Therefore, the plan to use a Swedish turbine then raises a lot of doubt from me, and Israeli devices could not be beaten in principle. You can think about it today, not then.
    If his weapons were drunk against T-72 armor because it wasn’t the best opportunity then, and not because he had to fight against the Yugoslav tanks.
    1. 0
      3 July 2018 11: 59
      Colega, a few clarifications:
      No one argues that the doctrine of the SFRY was selective. Probably only in the Albanian direction could it be offensive.
      You cannot doubt that, if necessary, of a different nature, the ATS would enter the territory of Yugoslavia. Just like NATO. It did it later. The reasons could be different, but the ATS undoubtedly took them into account and was ready for such development. For example, when the Tito regime is loosened or in response to NATO actions. Though in theory, but anything could be.
      LTP buoyancy was in second place. LTP is ideally suited for offensive operations in the Western Balkans and the Rhodope massifs. In the Strandzha region, the T-72 felt so perfect. There is no need for LTP, although I do not turn off the ego of participation.
      As for the Israeli surveillance devices, they were agreed upon after the 90 and the collapse of the ATS. The regiment speaks about it. Zdravko Hristov is a participant in the design of the tank: "Pres 90-one year old military academy taught contact institute strengthened by Israeli experts, such as representatives from the turkish industry. Takiva kontakty bakha implements small trace change trail 10 on the other hand 1989 Israelit Vidzhdane. Those imah traditions have a good attitude and techy byah a lot of good. Togava is an Israeli expert who doesn’t explain what you need to do a tank with a lot of kindness, maybe you have a nice design and a lot of protection for it. But there’s a sluggish opinion that blindly during the night.
      1. +1
        4 July 2018 12: 36
        "Pres 90-one year old military academy taught contact institute strengthened by Israeli experts, such as representatives from the turkish industry. Takiva kontakty bakha implements small trace change trail 10 on the other hand 1989 Israelit Vidzhdane. Those imah traditions have a good attitude and techy byah a lot of good. Togava is an Israeli expert who doesn’t explain what you need to do a tank with a lot of kindness, maybe you have a nice design and a lot of protection for it. But there’s a sluggish opinion that blindly during the night.

        Translation:
        In the 90 years, the military scientific institute was in intensive contact with Israeli specialists, as well as representatives of Israeli industry. These contacts
        carried out after the November 10 1989 g. The Israelis offered us fire control systems, night vision devices. They had traditions in this and the products were very high quality. Israeli experts then explained that Russian tanks are very good, like construction and armor protection, but at night like blind.
    2. +1
      4 July 2018 12: 03
      Maybe you are right! In those years, I was a communications officer under the command of the Bulgarian General Staff and all exercises (including command post) after the SHIELD-83 were mainly directed to the southeast side, i.e. against the Turks
  15. +1
    10 July 2018 01: 06
    Thanks to Peter Petrov for the informative article. After all, there are working hands and bright heads!
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  17. 0
    1 September 2018 21: 33
    It is good to explain democracy to the closure of unnecessary and stillborn projects. In theory, we have had money for the Sprut-SD for a long time, but for some reason the landing party prefers to acquire normal tanks. Well, it is obvious that at the price the LT will not be much cheaper than the main tank, because of all the electronics and complex mechanization, but the 100 mm gun is, at best, parity with the typical 105 mm L \ 7.

    Here in WoT, the machine might have entered if the PDM were hard.
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    9 March 2020 15: 42
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