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Rifle battle cruisers. "Hood" and "Ersatz York"

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The process of creating battlecruisers in Germany did not stop on Mackensen-type ships, although it could, because in February 1915 it was decided to continue the construction of a series of battlecruisers according to the same project, bringing their total number to seven, and no new ships Germany did not order until the end of the war. However, on March 17, 1916, a landmark for Germany fleet event - Alfred von Tirpitz left the post of State Secretary of the Naval Department (Minister of the Sea) and was replaced by Admiral Eduard von Capelle, which made the decision to continue the construction of battlecruisers of the Mackensen type subject to revision.


It all started with the development of the battlecruisers, which were to be built after the seven Mackensen: The 19 in April The 1916 design bureau presented three options for the new battlecruiser. They all had the same composition of weapons: 8 * 380-mm guns in two-gun turrets, 16 * 150-mm guns, 8 * 88-mm anti-aircraft guns and five 600-mm torpedo tubes. Reservations for minor deviations corresponded to what was used on the Mackenns. At the same time, the GK 1 variant had a normal displacement of 34 000 t, the power of the 110 000 machines was hp. 29,25 knots and speed with maximum fuel supply in 6 500 tons. The GK 2 version was larger (38 000 tons), power of 120 000 X units, 7 500 fuel rates and 29,5 knots. The GK 3 variant with equal displacement and fuel reserves with the GK 2 variant had thicker barbety of the main caliber towers (350 mm versus 300 mm), but on 5 000 hp less power, which should have developed only 29 knots. As far as the author of this article could understand, the rest of the options differed only in the thickness (and, possibly, shape) of the armor deck outside the citadel - if the first two provided protection 50-80 mm in aft and 50 mm in the bow, the third had a gain to 120 mm and 80 mm, respectively (but this is not accurate). At the same time, within the citadel, the reservation remained (as with Mackensen) very weak - only 30 mm.



Another difference from the Mackenzens would be an increase in the number of boilers on oil heating from 8 to 12. The Germans were again not ready to switch to oil, this time the key argument was not the lack of oil production in Germany, but the fact that Mackensen’s armor protection was not considered completely sufficient for new ships and to weaken it additionally with the absence of coal pits (which according to the Germans, played a significant role in ensuring the survivability of the ship) was deemed impossible. Reinhard Scheer, who by that time had already joined the command of Hochseeflotte, preferred the most high-speed version of the GK 2.

But all three of these options represented the development of the battlecruisers, and this was fully suited by the naval ministry, which continued to strive for the separation of the "capital" ships into battleships and battlecruisers. But the new state secretary considered such an approach obsolete and spoke in favor of merging them into a single class: accordingly, he proposed to build new ships as high-speed battleships possessing the reservation and protection of the battleship and the speed allowing them to work together with the battlecruisers.

Naturally, such a proposal entailed discussions: the naval ministry proposed to revise the draft of the battle cruiser, putting not reinforcement of weapons at the head, but reinforcement of body armor, which, according to experts, gave the ship more chances in confrontation with battleships and did not violate the “Fleet Law” . Subsequently, such battlecruisers could develop into a type of high-speed battleship. At the same time, Rear Admiral Hebbinghaus (Hebbinghaus) called for the abolition of the construction of four of the seven battle cruisers. The State Secretary supported the Rear Admiral, but following the results of the review, only three battlecruisers with the designations Ersats York, Ersats Scharnhorst and Ersats Gneisenau were suspended to create them under a new project. A variant of the GK 6 was proposed, which had the same weaponry as the options presented earlier, but the normal displacement in 36 500 t and reduced speed to 28 nodes, the fuel reserves should have been 7 000 t (500 t less than GK 2 variants and 3). The thickness of the deck armor outside the citadel was reduced to 50 mm, and the upper armor belt - from 240 mm to 200 mm, but the thickness of the barbets and the forehead of the towers was brought to 350 mm. Admiral Scheer did not approve such a decision, he believed that the battlecruiser should be faster.

In general, it turned out the following: once again the Germans formulated the idea of ​​a high-speed battleship, but could not decide on its construction. For the battlecruiser, the displacement in the 38 000 t looked very large, and the smaller fleet could not be placed in a smaller size. At the same time, the resulting ship (yes, the same GK 6) was, of course, stronger than the Mackensen, but, apparently, the admirals decided that the increase in its combat effectiveness does not justify the additional difficulties that would arise when building ships under the new project. As a result, 24 August 1916 Mr. Secretary of State changed his mind and proposed to build "Ersatz York", "Ersatz Scharnhorst" and "Ersatz Gneisenau" on the model and likeness of "Mackensen."

On the one hand, such a decision seemed to be quite reasonable, because the comparison of the Mackensen with the British battlecruisers demonstrated a clear superiority of the German ships. However, this time, for some reason, the Germans completely ignored the possibility of meeting the Mackensen with the English high-speed wing, which consisted of battleships like Queen Elizabeth, with which the Mackenzens would still be hard.

Be that as it may, in August 1916, the Germans returned to the Mackensen project, but not for long: this time the British Ripals and Rinaun became the catalyst for change. The fact that the British are building new battlecruisers with 381-mm cannons has become known in Germany on 31 in October, 1916 g, and in addition, it was reported that, after much deliberation, the Americans are going to introduce ships of this class into your fleet.

After that, the transition to the 380-mm guns was virtually uncontested, and the Germans worked again with six different variants of the battlecruiser with such guns, but the fact is that orders for three battlecruisers were already placed, and the Ersatz Yorke was already laid down - This happened in July of 1916. As a result, the temptation arose not to create a project from scratch, but to use the mechanisms that were already ordered for these ships. As a result, ships of the Ersatz York type actually became re-armed on the Mackenzens 380-mm cannon. As we remember, the Germans, designing the Mackensen, at some point came to the ship with a displacement of 33 000 and with eight 380-mm cannons, but, being afraid of such a high displacement, reduced the number of towers of the main caliber to three. Now they can be said to have returned to this option: “Ersatz York”, possessing protection at the level of “Mackensen”, had a normal displacement in 33 500 t and armament from 8 * 380-mm guns.



Artillery

German 380-mm guns seriously differed from the British 15-dm artillery system, representing guns of opposite concepts: if the British 381-mm was a classic "heavy projectile-low initial speed", then the German C / 13 (i.e., the 1913 g gun) , on the contrary, there was “a light projectile — high initial velocity”.

In other words, if the English gun sent a 871 kg projectile with an initial speed of 732 m / s, the German one - an 750 kg projectile with an initial speed of 800 m / s. However, it is unlikely that someone will turn his tongue to call German shells weak: the content of explosives in an armor-piercing 380-mm projectile reached 23,5 kg versus 20,5 kg of an armor-piercing "greenboy". But the high-explosive German shells significantly lost to the British - 67,1 kg of trinitrotoluene against 101,6 kg of liddite.

Other artillery weapons were represented by a dozen 150-mm guns and eight 150-mm anti-aircraft guns. The number of torpedo tubes was reduced to three, but their caliber should have been 70 cm.

Power plant

The rated power of the machines should have been 90 000 hp, it was expected that with such power Ersac York could develop 27,25 knots. The maximum fuel supply should have been 4 000 tons of coal and 2 000 tons of oil.

Reservations corresponded to that on Mackenzens, from which Ersatz York differed only in slightly larger geometrical dimensions (it was longer by 4,8 m and sat in water on 30 cm deeper, the width remained the same) and an insignificant change in the layout, resulting in chimneys managed to merge into one pipe. This was considered a very progressive decision, since it removed the pipe from the conning tower, allowed the mast to be moved to the stern and thus provided the best viewing angles from the conning tower.

So, we can say that the Germans still decided to take a step in 1916, which was to take place a year earlier - then everything was ready for the creation of battle cruisers with eight 380-mm guns and a displacement of 33 T. Of course, in any case, they would not be part of Hohzeeflott and would subsequently be disgracedly dismantled for metal, but, of course, this was still unknown in 000. Comparing not the steel giants anymore, but only the naval thought of England and Germany, we understand that the Ersats of Yorkie in their performance characteristics could become a full-fledged counterweight to the British “high-speed wing” of the five battleships of the Queen Elizabeth type. They are also in all respects (except speed) would have surpassed the English “Ripales” and “Rinaun”. However, in 1915 g, when Germany laid its last battle cruiser, the UK set about building Hud.

To be continued!

PS Somewhat running ahead, we will pay a little attention to one of the most amusing incidents of German shipbuilding. After the characteristics of the British "big light cruisers" like Koreydzhes became known in Germany, German designers 1918 presented several projects of a similar ship in March. In the best traditions of the German shipbuilders, the German "white elephant" was slightly better armored (in various projects the thickness of the armor was 100 or 150 mm), carried a few smaller caliber weapons (four 350-mm guns in two towers located in the extremities) and had oddly enough, the speed is from 32 to 34 nodes.



The auxiliary artillery composition is amazing - of course, the 8 * 88-mm anti-aircraft guns at that time were quite adequate to the air defenses - not because it really allowed the ship to be protected from an air attack, but because it was just as inadequate on other ships of the world. But it’s interesting what they were counting on in Germany, planning to install a mine caliber of four 150-mm cannons, of which only two could fire on one side?

The most high-speed option was to have the rated power of the 200 000 hp machines, but what is interesting is that even on such a high-speed ship the Germans could not completely abandon coal-fired boilers - 40 boilers should have operated on oil and 8 - on coal. The displacement of these projects ranged from 29 500 - 30 000 t.

As we said earlier, the British had no reason to build the Koreydges-type light battle cruisers - ships of this type, in essence, were born thanks to D. Fisher's fad and were absolutely not needed by the fleet. The British admirals tried to disown them even at the construction stage, offering to convert all three Koreyges into aircraft carriers. The Koreyjes simply did not have its own tactical niche; everything that they could could have been made better or cheaper using monitors or heavy cruisers like the Hawkins, or even ordinary light cruisers. In the face of Koreijs, Glories, and Furyes, the British actually received three “white elephants” (an animal rare, but incapable of working). But as soon as this became known in Germany, the creation of the ship “of the same, only better” was immediately initiated there. Having no tactical niche in the Royal Navy, the “big light cruisers” (or light linear ones, if you like) could not be of any use to Germany, and the only reason for which work was started on them can be considered only “once the British there is, then we need to. " In general, one can only express regret that the German naval thought, in fact, very successfully competing with England, until the very end of the war could not get rid of the internal feeling of British superiority.
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  1. anzar
    anzar 27 June 2018 16: 03
    +4
    +++++ SW. Andrew. Wait! and we will still wait ...
    Other artillery weapons ... and eight 150mm anti-aircraft guns

    Typo- probably 88mm
    And about the "German elephants" I learned for the first time, complete apesity. The Russian MTK had also sinned before.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      27 June 2018 17: 37
      +1
      Quote: anzar
      Typo- probably 88mm

      So sure repeat
  2. NF68
    NF68 27 June 2018 16: 03
    +1
    As always, interesting material.
  3. also clean
    also clean 27 June 2018 16: 57
    +1
    Thank! Fine! Well, the "German white elephants" is not even a "gloomy Teutonic genius." It's just the "twilight" of the German (consider Kaiser) shipbuilding
  4. dumkopff
    dumkopff 27 June 2018 16: 58
    +3
    Thank you so much for the series of interesting and informative articles.
    Will there be "spin-offs" for this series dedicated to the G-3, Ishmael, Amagi and Lexington?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      27 June 2018 17: 36
      +4
      Yes, Michael, they will. I didn’t plan at first, but since readers want to, why not?
      Of course, there is not much information on them (except for Ishmael, about which it is generally unclear what to write about - great works have already been written about him), but ... let's compare!
      1. also clean
        also clean 27 June 2018 22: 11
        0
        Yes Yes! And also, if possible, the French project 13-14 years
  5. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 27 June 2018 17: 13
    +2
    40 boilers were supposed to run on oil and 8 on coal

    I wonder how many drivers serviced so many boilers and how the fuel supply was realized.
    However, in 1916, when Germany laid down its last battlecruiser, Great Britain set about building the Hood.
    To be continued!

    Yes, the last battlecruiser of the British Navy which .. But let's not get ahead of ourselves ..)
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 27 June 2018 18: 18
      0
      Not tired of chewing well-known facts for the thousandth time?
      1. Razvedka_Boem
        Razvedka_Boem 27 June 2018 19: 25
        +6
        If you are me, then I’m interested in listening to everything presented by a person who is interested in the fleet and who knows his story well.
        Also, a lot of different people come to the site and maybe the story of Hood will be new to him.
  6. Conductor
    Conductor 27 June 2018 17: 49
    +1
    I still don’t understand why they put TA on battleships? It seems that Tsushima has shown that TA is completely unnecessary.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      27 June 2018 17: 55
      +4
      Quote: Conductor
      I still don’t understand why they put TA on battleships?

      But what about tradition? :)))))))
      In fact, the answer is simple - despite the fact that the chances of using torpedo weapons for heavy ships were not so many, the consequences of their hits were ultimatally heavy, so it was believed that even though there were few chances, it was necessary to set them up. Another question that the PMV convincingly showed is that the chances are not that small, they are not at all.
      1. yehat
        yehat 27 June 2018 23: 43
        +1
        torpedoes were supposed to be used in 2 cases
        1. finish off - a cheap way
        2. during a linear / squadron battle, anything happens, in the confusion and confusion there may appear a chance / need to strike close
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 29 June 2018 18: 47
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Another question that the PMV convincingly showed is that the chances are not that small, they are not at all.

        However, even Nelson and Rodney received TA. And not just 450 mm or 533 mm - but as much as 622 mm.
        They still argue whether Rodney hit the Bismarck torpedo. smile But the consumption of one 622-mm torpedo in that battle is fixed.
    2. arturpraetor
      arturpraetor 27 June 2018 17: 57
      +3
      Torpedoes from the time of Tsushima became angrier (fast and long-range), and in the North Sea the conditions of visibility suggested a battle at fairly close distances. So .... Modeled.
      1. also clean
        also clean 27 June 2018 18: 45
        +2
        And what - a German 700mm torpedo - it would be interesting ... to see the characteristics (if there are of course). Just some kind of Wunderwaffe in its purest form.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          27 June 2018 19: 09
          +5
          Quote: alsoclean
          And what - the German 700mm torpedo - would be curious ... see the characteristics

          Something is there. :))) This monster should have had 9 m length (in parentheses I will give TTX of real 600 mm torpedoes, 8 m) carry 315 kg hexanite (210 kg) and have a range of 18 km at a speed of 29 knots (14 km on 30 knots or 6 km on 36 knots). But you know what is the most interesting? This was not enough for the Germans, so they turned off the development of the 700 mm torpedo in favor of the 750 mm wassat laughing
          But about the last, alas, no data was saved
          1. also clean
            also clean 27 June 2018 22: 09
            +1
            Thank you for the information - inspires !!
            Well, the Soviet "65-76" were 650 mm - this is understandable. But 750 mm - in my opinion, is already "on the other side of good and evil" laughing
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              27 June 2018 23: 08
              +4
              Quote: alsoclean
              But here 750 mm - in my opinion it is already "on the other side of good and evil" laughing

              I have a feeling that its application was thought of as follows: a battlecruiser shoots with such a torpedo, throws a lasso at it and goes on planing laughing
    3. DimanC
      DimanC 27 June 2018 18: 05
      +1
      At the same time, drowning “Lutz” and almost drowning “Baden” (or “Bayern”, who I do not remember exactly)
  7. DimanC
    DimanC 27 June 2018 18: 03
    +2
    As often happens, concepts are much more interesting than "serial" samples. So it is here. Although, once again, it can be noted that progress in technical means has not led to progress in the heads and, accordingly, in ideas ...
  8. prodi
    prodi 27 June 2018 18: 23
    0
    they would have made the towers four-barreled: lower - ch. caliber, upper - 150mm
    1. Razvedka_Boem
      Razvedka_Boem 27 June 2018 19: 28
      0
      That would make the towers four-barreled

      It seems that the only ships with a 4-gun turret were battleships such as King George V. But this is a later development.
      1. prodi
        prodi 27 June 2018 19: 43
        0
        And in hindsight, between the pipes, instead of the TA and anti-aircraft artillery, another 4-barrel turret of hl. caliber
      2. Conductor
        Conductor 27 June 2018 19: 58
        +1
        Yes, and France had.
        1. Razvedka_Boem
          Razvedka_Boem 27 June 2018 20: 41
          +2
          Yes, and France had.

          Exactly, Richelieu.
          He forgot .. He was fond of the fleet in his school years, Smirnov read out the book "Ships and Battles" then ..)
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            29 June 2018 16: 55
            +2
            Quote: Razvedka_Boem
            "Ships and battles" Smirnova read to the holes then ..)

            In those years, it was just some kind of bible of schoolchildren-moromanov :))))) I, when my parents gave me the DR, ran around in the ceiling in happiness
            1. Razvedka_Boem
              Razvedka_Boem 29 June 2018 18: 01
              +1
              It was in those years just some kind of bible of schoolchildren-moromanov :)))))

              Then I came across the book of Lev Shapiro - “The Fastest Ships”, from there I also learned a lot of useful things.
              In general, children's and youth literature was diverse, and the circulation of books was simply fantastic ..
              And he got carried away with military affairs with the Book of Future Commanders by Mityaev.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                29 June 2018 20: 38
                +1
                Quote: Razvedka_Boem
                Then I came across the book of Lev Shapiro - “The Fastest Ships”, from there I also learned a lot of useful things.

                Wow :)))) "Make beer and graphite." I had two more "rarities" - Battleship Potemkin and Ships are being tested.
      3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        27 June 2018 23: 09
        +1
        Quote: Razvedka_Boem
        Like the only ships with the 4's gun turret were battleships such as King George V

        Normandy built with four-gun, but not completed. By the way, we also designed four-equipment ones in PMV :)))
        1. also clean
          also clean 28 June 2018 15: 26
          0
          Well yes. Bubnov project 1915
        2. Potter
          Potter 29 June 2018 07: 49
          +1
          The first ships with four-gun towers to enter service were the French battlecruisers Dunkirk and Strasbourg. 8 330 mm cannons in 2 towers. Balanced, well-armored and high-speed ships with a limited displacement of 26500t.
          Both towers in the bow. Hunters for pocket battleships.
      4. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 28 June 2018 06: 58
        +2
        in this form, as a colleague describes, (i.e., with two different calibers), only Americans.
        1. prodi
          prodi 28 June 2018 20: 58
          0
          if you are of my opinion, then I see it a little differently than in the image: a typical linear-elevated scheme in front and behind: towers 6 "are elevated - easier and more practical in almost every sense. The central middle tower, preferably with the trunks forward
  9. Fagotron
    Fagotron 27 June 2018 19: 24
    +3
    A wonderful series of articles, I enjoy reading a lot. The format of the presentation of the material - in the form of a comparative analysis - is excellent. I sincerely thank and hope for numerous sequels!
  10. Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 27 June 2018 22: 29
    -1
    Apparently the Germans still liked the idea of ​​a ship of the Koreges type. The Deutschlands are clearly based on her motives. Large guns and plywood boards.
    1. Potter
      Potter 29 June 2018 12: 30
      +2
      The Germans and the Deutschlands had completely different messages. Shameful for Germany, the world limited the displacement of ships to 10000 tons and a caliber of 280 mm. It was possible to make a good monitor with strong armor and limited speed and navigation area. Like the Swedish BRBO Sweridge, for example.
      But they went along the path of creating an ocean raider with strong artillery, where their weapons and range and speed were sacrificed in armor.
      However, like BRBO in 1945 they (Luttsov) gave heat in Courland, and on Moonzund also before this, to our troops.
      1. Saxahorse
        Saxahorse 29 June 2018 23: 52
        -1
        The blunders of the Germans are speed. After WWII, 32 knots became the actual British cruising standard for the British. And everyone knew that. Making the raider slower - I don’t even know how to say it. Screwed it up if softly.

        By the way, maybe that's why the Germans declared the Deutschlands as battleships! They really didn’t put the armor .. But the people believed! Even today everyone reads the story and look forward to the same Spee starting to drive the British across the Atlantic with rags! :)

        And he the poor fellow cannot same .. :(
        1. Potter
          Potter 1 July 2018 23: 40
          +1
          Once again, the main introduction is the limitation of the standard displacement of 10000 tons in the Versailles world. The Germans "secretly" exceeded it by 2000 tons. But this is not enough for a balanced ship!
          If you want a speed of 32 knots, we add 1000 tons for mechanisms and 300-400 tons for additional fuel. Want 200mm armor - another 1000 tons plus. What will we take?
          Well, you can weapons. leave 8-150, we get a light cruiser.
          You can fuel. We get the ship of the Baltic Sea. BRBO, With refueling after 3 days.
          You can take the case. Put powerful mechanisms and armor on the wall and dream of the distant ocean. Deutschlands are children of limitations and compromises. After Adi threw off the restrictions, the following "pocket battleships" remaining in the project were already dragging for 20000 tons.
          They were killed, by the way, including Dunkirk. The weakness of the Deutschlands became clear.
          1. Saxahorse
            Saxahorse 2 July 2018 01: 08
            0
            The alignment is correct but the decision chosen by the Germans is flawed. Nothing happened in the end. Freak .. For the battleship there is no armor, for the raider there is no speed.

            The Japanese in the same tonnage housed a gorgeous 36-node heavy cruiser, such as the Mogami, for example. Well, almost fit :)
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              2 July 2018 12: 40
              0
              Quote: Saxahorse
              The Japanese in the same tonnage housed a chic 36-nodal heavy cruiser

              To know that in it is chic ...
              1. Saxahorse
                Saxahorse 2 July 2018 22: 03
                0
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                To know that in it is chic ...

                For example, the ability to run away if it becomes very uncomfortable. The Germans denied their offspring such an opportunity in advance.
                1. Potter
                  Potter 3 July 2018 22: 42
                  0
                  About Mogami on VO there was already a publication and discussion. I myself think this ship is good, especially given the tricks of the Japanese, which allowed them to make heavy cruisers out of light. They suffered, by the way, like the Germans, from the relief of the body to the utmost - vibration and damage.
                  That's just the Germans could not build a Washington cruiser. Their limit is armadillos. Instead, 6 left them. And in this limit, they fantasized.
                  It was not for nothing that at the very beginning Sverige was mentioned - an excellent ship. Even the speed is 22 knots, and 4-283 in the Civil Code. At 7500 tons. That's just this BRBO. And not a raider with a range of 28000 miles, inaccessible to anyone at that time.
                  1. Saxahorse
                    Saxahorse 3 July 2018 23: 40
                    0
                    So it was necessary to build a good BRBO. Or three good light cruisers. There would be three raiders. Or a good heavy cruiser. Or even a good aircraft carrier like Soryu / Hiru for example. And it just happened according to Freud, they built a bad ship solely for the sake of a large gun.
            2. Razvedka_Boem
              Razvedka_Boem 2 July 2018 17: 02
              0
              luxury 36-node heavy cruiser, type Mogami

              As far as I remember, they are known for pushing 5 GK towers onto it, the Japanese got cracks at the seams.
              And “Deutschland” as already noted -
              children of limitations and compromises
  11. Vova Kabaev
    Vova Kabaev 27 June 2018 23: 04
    0
    Yes, the "exterior" of the cruiser "York" is something! Almost like a globe of Ukraine. The ignorance of other VO authors knows no bounds!
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      27 June 2018 23: 10
      0
      Quote: Vova Kabaev
      The ignorance of other VO authors knows no bounds!

      Could it be a little more detailed? :)
      1. Vova Kabaev
        Vova Kabaev 28 June 2018 00: 56
        0
        Read the caption for the drawing of this ship!
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          28 June 2018 07: 37
          +1
          Quote: Vova Kabaev
          Read the caption for the drawing of this ship!

          I read it. Battlecruiser Erzatz York. And what doesn’t suit you, are you our polite? :))) Let's hit with intelligence on impassability and sloppiness :)
  12. mmaxx
    mmaxx 28 June 2018 09: 04
    +2
    I stick out with these Germans. They have a war going on, and they are observing the "Law on the Fleet".
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      28 June 2018 13: 29
      +4
      Quote: mmaxx
      They have a war going on, and they are observing the "Law on the Fleet".

      Ordnung, however! wassat
      In 1943, Mr. Speer turned to Hitler to reduce the production of hair tongs (this was necessary to expand the production of weapons). Hitler forbade categorically. Germans....
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 June 2018 18: 57
      0
      Quote: mmaxx
      I stick out with these Germans. They have a war going on, and they are observing the "Law on the Fleet".

      Hehe hehe ... that's nothing. During the next war, the Germans planned to privatize the pilot production and missile test site to finance the missile program. smile
      When Dornberger came to Speer to ask for money, Speer did not give money, but he singled out the effective manager Degenkolba, who had previously worked on locomotives. And wrap it all up ...
      “Colonel,” Hettlage began, “I invited you to discuss the best way to transform an army institution in Peenemuende into a private joint-stock company.”
      (...)
      “May I ask how this change is supposed to take place?”
      - We will transform Peenemuende into a limited liability company. Currently, the entire capital of the company remains in the hands of the state. The company itself will be managed by a large concern, which will take on the role of a trustee - for example, General Electric, Siemens, Lorenz or Rheinmetall - and then, after the amortization of the invested capital, the company will become the property of the company.
      (...)
      - I would like to ask why the transformation is scheduled for this particular moment? I asked.
      “The reason,” answered Hettlage, “is that this enterprise does not meet the requirements for modern, well-organized production, which is managed according to the laws of the economy.”
      © from the memoirs of Walter Dornberger
      By the way, pay attention to the list of possible management concerns. smile
  13. Potter
    Potter 29 June 2018 07: 26
    0
    Thank you, we are waiting for the continuation!
  14. Nubia2
    Nubia2 31 August 2018 15: 06
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    Quote: Saxahorse
    There is no armor for the battleship, no speed for the raider

    as a battleship he was not planned.
    speed for the raider is enough. catch up with any merchant.