Project "Tachanka-B": "Armata" will become a robot

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According to the latest domestic media reports, the Russian defense industry has begun the development of another model of a combat vehicle based on the Armat’s unified tracked platform. This time the project is of particular interest because it belongs to a completely new class. On the basis of the existing platform, a kind of tankless tank is created. Reportedly, his working title is “Tachanka-B”.

The beginning of the development of heavy armored vehicles capable of working without people on board, 19 June reported RIA News. The news agency claims that he managed to get at his disposal the text of a report prepared by the 3-th Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of Russia. This report mentions the further development of the Armata platform using the most modern ideas and technologies.



According to RIA Novosti, a promising project with the code "Tachanka-B" is currently being developed. At the moment, we are talking only about the preliminary design of a new combat vehicle. It is argued that the goal of this project is to create a heavy impact platform, on the basis of which different models of new generation armored vehicles can be created. The basis for the Tachanka-B platform, according to published data, is the existing Armata chassis.



Unfortunately, for now this is all data on a promising project. If in the 3 report of the Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense there were other information about it, then RIA Novosti did not publish them. However, it is very likely that the recently launched project is still at its earliest stages, as a result of which a sufficient amount of data has not yet been accumulated. Do not forget about the mode of secrecy.

It should be noted that the idea of ​​transforming the unified platform "Armata" into a robotic complex is not something new or unexpected. The first statements about such possibilities of the new project appeared a few years ago, almost before the first official demonstration of technology based on the platform. Both the representatives of the developer organization and potential operators in the person of the ground forces commented on the possibility of developing robotic combat vehicles of the Armath family. Nevertheless, while such developments remained at the level of conversations and general discussions.

According to the latest data, the Russian defense industry nevertheless began the development of a full-fledged project of a fundamentally new category. On the basis of the already created "Almaty" is now being developed "Tachanka-B". Available fragmentary data allows you to set some features of this project. And besides, there is a reason to use analytical skills and imagination to imagine the possible appearance of future technology and assess its potential.

According to RIA Novosti, the program “Tachanka-B” is still at the stage of developing an advance project. This may mean that the work started quite recently. Since then, the customer and the developer could have time to formulate the general requirements for the project and begin to search for common solutions. Thus, the first real results of the project will not be found out too soon. It is possible that the detailed data on the new “Tachanka-B” will appear only by 2019-2020 years or even later.

What organization is developing the project is unknown. Moreover, unlike some other cases, it is extremely difficult to calculate from known data. It is possible that the research and production corporation Uralvagonzavod participates in the Tachanka-B project, but it is obvious that it cooperates with other organizations and may even play a non-leading role. The fact is that in recent years several domestic organizations are engaged in the subject of robotic complexes, and a number of projects have already been created, including very well-known ones. A number of new designs were created on the basis of existing platforms, but the developers of the latter have not always been central to such projects.

As for the technical appearance of the new platform, in this area there is still room only for predictions and fantasies. The only thing that can be said with sufficient confidence is the wide use of the developments and components of the Armat platform, which has become the basis for Tachanka-B. This may provide a certain similarity between the two samples, but the complete coincidence of their faces is excluded.

It is quite possible that the new heavy robotic platform will have an armored body with advanced protection systems, both its own and additional ones. All these funds can be borrowed from "Armata". characteristic feature Robot is the lack of need for an armored capsule for the crew. The released volumes can be used to transport additional ammunition, fuel or special equipment. In addition, by removing the cab, it will be possible to reduce the size, and with them the weight of the machine.

The Armata platform is equipped with a multi-fuel 12H360 engine with power up to 1500 hp, interlocked with a transmission based on an automatic transmission. The existing power compartment is characterized by high performance and may well go to the "Tachanka-B" without significant changes. It makes sense to preserve the existing chassis, built on the basis of the active suspension. At the same time reducing the size of the body allows to reduce the number of road wheels.

The main issue in the context of the new project is armament. The most obvious answer to it is the use of a ready-made uninhabited tower, already developed for the main combat tank T-14. A combat module with a 125 mm caliber launcher, a pair of machine guns and some protective equipment can be useful not only on a tank with a crew. It can also be used on a crewless platform. It can be assumed that the adaptation of the existing tower to Tachanka-B will not be associated with serious difficulties and will only affect electronic systems, which will now communicate with the operator not directly by wire, but by radio channel.

It should be recalled that on the basis of the Armata platform several armored combat vehicles of different classes are being created at once. There is already a heavy infantry fighting vehicle T-15, as well as a new self-propelled artillery self-propelled gun, a flamethrower system with a transport-loading vehicle, a fire support fighting vehicle, an engineering vehicle, a bridge laying machine, a minelayer, etc. If the creation of a crewless BMP looks doubtful, then in all other classes a remotely controlled robotic platform may be useful.

Robotic systems with the functions of tanks, self-propelled guns, TOC, BMIP, engineering vehicles, etc. may be of great interest to the army. All of these samples are designed to work at the forefront, with serious risks for the crew. Placing people behind automated workplaces at a distance from the equipment and the leading edge, one can get known advantages while maintaining the desired fighting qualities.

However, unmanned and unmanned systems using remote control, have not only advantages, but also disadvantages. Two-way communication between the operator and the machine is carried out by radio, which, despite all the existing and used technologies, can be suppressed by means of electronic warfare. In addition, in certain situations, situational awareness may deteriorate, since the crew is not able to look out of the hatch.

Not so long ago, the report of the 3 Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense, dedicated to the operation of modern robotic systems during the Syrian operation, was freely available. In a real conflict, it was found that in practice, the characteristics of the technique are lower than the calculated ones. In particular, in the context of urban development, communication with machines was repeatedly cut off.

Anyway, the current project with the code “Tachanka-B” is of great interest both for industry and for the army. Russian enterprises began to create land-based unmanned machines for various purposes quite a long time ago, and the army managed to master a number of such samples. In such circumstances, the emergence of a heavy "tank" robotic platform was only a matter of time. As follows from recent reports, this time has come, and research and development work has started.

However, one should not look into the future with excessive optimism. For the time being, it is not necessary to exclude negative scenarios for the development of events in which a new model of equipment cannot reach the army and affect its capabilities. It is also possible and "neutral" result in which the product "Tachanka-B" itself does not go into service, but most directly contribute to the emergence of some new models.

According to the available data, currently the program “Tachanka-B” is at the stage of development of the advance project. The formation of the general appearance of technology continues and the search for individual solutions is being conducted. The development of a full-fledged project, not to mention the construction and testing of experimental equipment, is still a matter of the future. And in the near future, the customer and the developer will have to determine the real prospects of the new project. If they come to positive conclusions - the project will continue. If serious shortcomings are revealed, the Tachanka-B will lose its chances to get into the troops.

What will be the results of the current project under the code "Tachanka-B", as well as when they will be introduced to the general public - it remains only to guess. However, the very fact of the existence of this project speaks volumes and in itself can be a reason for optimism. First of all, it shows that the Russian military and scientists continue to develop weapons and equipment, including the development of new areas and niches for themselves.

If the new project succeeds and gives the best results, our army will be able to get not only fundamentally new equipment, but also completely new opportunities. Various models of military equipment, controlled from their own cabs and remote control panels, will be able to enter the battlefield, which will expand the range of tasks to be solved, simplify their implementation and reduce risks for people. However, this is still far away. For the time being, the defense industry enterprises need to complete an advanced design of the Tachanka-B product.

On the materials of the sites:
http://ria.ru/
http://tass.ru/
http://rg.ru/
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  1. +2
    20 June 2018 06: 02
    Robot war is just around the corner
    1. MPN
      +6
      20 June 2018 15: 25
      An unmanned platform is being developed, as a basis ... it will turn out there will be unmanned versions of both bridge spacers and IMR and everything else ...
    2. +2
      23 June 2018 15: 42
      Robot war is just around the corner

      Only the question arises: who will be the victim, aren't we with you? fellow
  2. +2
    20 June 2018 07: 12
    Soon it will be possible to play Battlefield in real life wink
  3. +5
    20 June 2018 07: 43
    It’s not a problem to push a full-fledged military AI into a modern tank at this stage of development of the design idea, since compact (relatively) samples are already in use and are actively used. The price of the final product is a brake. bucks. But then the price will rise by an order, or even two.
    1. +2
      20 June 2018 08: 14
      . A modern tank, and so expensive pleasure, and burned from old RPGs for 200 bucks. The same price will rise by an order or even two.

      moreover, such a system is only good for local conflicts. Since, in the format of the Great War, a weapon that allows itself to be reproduced on a massive scale still wins.
    2. 0
      20 June 2018 12: 46
      Quote: shinobi
      Here the brake is the price of the final product.

      Software, microcircuits, sensors and servos - in mass production are very cheap. They do not need some kind of megazavod. Microsoft has created Windows and has been collecting gigantic profits for decades, without essentially creating anything new.
      1. 0
        21 June 2018 02: 15
        Combat AI is not just chips and programs. According to the anology, estimate that the human body serves about 70% of the brain. The same is in cyber systems. And the main difference is that a person can reproduce himself without any additional equipment. Tank, and any other cannot.
        1. 0
          21 June 2018 07: 01
          Quote: shinobi
          A tank, and any other, cannot.

          It is necessary to arm the army with batons, they themselves are produced in the forest.
  4. +3
    20 June 2018 08: 18
    Could it be that the boy attached the little arms to this project?
    1. +1
      20 June 2018 13: 02
      I have a question, and who will manage the shovel and how? in the event of a complete absence of a person on board
  5. 0
    20 June 2018 09: 43
    I wonder how this is consistent with the practically failed tests of Uranus-9 in Syria. https://rg.ru/2018/06/18/poiavilis-pervye-izobraz
    heniia-robotizirovannoj-bmpt-i-shturmovogo-tanka.
    html? utm_source = warfiles.ru
    winked
    1. +2
      20 June 2018 10: 12
      Uranus 9 in the configuration that is, only a stage in development.
    2. +1
      20 June 2018 10: 15
      Quote: Snail N9
      I wonder how this is consistent with the practically failed tests of Uranus-9 in Syria.

      This is not failed tests, this - identified a number of shortcomings.
      And this means one thing - further dopilivanie, but not the closure of this direction. For automatic systems is the future of routine and / or hazardous operations.
      1. 0
        20 June 2018 10: 21
        No, .. the fact that no one argues about "finishing" Uranus, I’m not talking about ... The fact that "not finishing" one at once is taken for the other .... moreover, when testing the Uranus, "some "fundamental" shortcomings of the system as a whole ... preventing the use of robotic armored systems on the battlefield in the near future .... "
        1. 0
          20 June 2018 10: 40
          You think it’s like “dancing in a rake mode in an attack mode”?
          Maybe they (design bureau) would be happy to finalize, but the authorities do not order, nodding at the plan (and timeline) for modernizing the army. And finalize - finalize, very late, of course. Moscow (as you know) was not built immediately.
    3. 0
      21 June 2018 02: 33
      Remote-controlled drone and combat cyber, the essence is different products. And not even in the same category. But the media shoved everything together. As an example of full-fledged cyber systems at this stage, you can call only the "Perimeter" system, and with some reservations ship systems Air defense missile defense on the cruisers "Moscow" and "Peter the Great"
  6. +3
    20 June 2018 10: 04
    To make a combat robot out of such an expensive giant like the T-14 is probably a big mistake.

    The robot should be cheap, maintainable, small, with a minimum internal volume, necessary only for the operation of mechanisms and weapons, armed with technical vision and means of communication with other combat robots and drones, and be part of a distributed network under the control of artificial intelligence. And these robots should be MUCH and NOT MUCH.

    What is now - not robots, but weaponized robotic self-propelled consoles on a remote control. Here the weak link is the man at the remote control. It is capable of responding to a changing situation much, much slower than a computer. This is, if not a dead end, then just the next evolutionary step towards a flock of full-fledged robots under the control of artificial intelligence. In this case, the person only sets the task of AI, and AI distributes the steps of its implementation between robots and drones.

    A serious step towards AI was made in modern air defense systems that are able to work in a fully automatic mode and exchange information. As a result, targets can be fired at by PU systems whose radars themselves still do not see the target.

    In order to collect information about the enemy, analyze, and start destroying targets in order of danger, the computer runs faster than a person.
    1. +1
      24 June 2018 15: 32
      Why Tpchanka, not Thunder or Lightning! DU T-14 is a good idea and quite real.
  7. +1
    20 June 2018 10: 58
    Avanproekt - type of initial technical documentation containing justification of product development and its indicators, initial requirements and proposals for the development, production and operation of products. The avanproject includes: an explanatory note, the necessary drawings, diagrams, calculations, as well as the draft technical specifications for product development. Approval of the preliminary design by the customer or the main consumer and developer is a prerequisite for the start of product development.
    This is not for today, not for tomorrow, and not even for a week.
    When I saw the “Armata” being dragged on the ropes along the Red Square, I said, it does not matter, the child also does not start walking right away. Understand, debug. There is someone to do this, there is something to do. Did not go today, will go tomorrow.
    With robots, the situation is much worse. Russia does not have its own elementary base of components. In the 40 of the last century, it was possible to close good guys in the half-timbered sharashkas, where they figured out how to make good and necessary things for war and created head samples on their knees. Today such a number will not work. Processors and other microelectronic trash for the filling of robots on the knee does not create. And it's not about cash, but in human and industrial reserves. They do not quickly buy any money. This groundwork is created over the years and decades. If a remote-controlled device is issued as a robotic complex, this is one thing. The machines on the 3-4 teams were made by children already in the 60s of the last century. So adult uncles will do today on the 20 teams. Not an easy thing, but solved, cope. Here, there are many pitfalls. I can well imagine how a UAV remotely controlled in the air at a distance of hundreds of kilometers. But it’s very bad to imagine how tanks will be controlled on the ground from some serious distance. I'm not talking about the noise immunity of communication lines. However, if this is supposed to be a truly autonomous robot, then this is quite another matter. Here, the Russians still have a horse close and did not roll ... hi
    1. +1
      20 June 2018 11: 44
      Well, the horse didn’t lie there, but the main thing is that we saw money. And since for the theft of state property the terms are almost democratic, we will develop and deepen this topic ..
      1. +1
        20 June 2018 13: 13
        No doubt. Gd to help! drinks
    2. 0
      20 June 2018 11: 59
      And, does Israel have such an "elementary base"? Or, nevertheless, skillfully completed produced in different countries?
      1. +1
        20 June 2018 13: 41
        Quote: Snail N9
        And, does Israel have such an "elementary base"? Or, nevertheless, skillfully completed produced in different countries?

        Enterprise "Intel" with the latest processors is with us. Here they are developed and produced. So there is no problem with that. All that is needed is the rest - is bought without restrictions from a fairly wide range. In this case, you have the sanctions and import substitution. How it looks like you probably know. On this account, only lazy jokes were not passed.
        A real example from the far past. In June, 2015, at the Army-2015 exhibition in Kubinka near Moscow, showed the Forpost military unmanned systems as a purely Russian development, which in fact were Searcher II’s Israeli drones that assemble at UZGA - (Ural civil aviation plant in Yekaterinburg) from Israeli components. Everything would be fine, but after Shoigu demanded that priority be given to the equipment of Russian manufacturers, the Russian GLONASS and the Russian radio intelligence equipment were put on Searcher II. As a result, the drones turned out to be heavier than the original kilogram on the 100 over and not that they could not carry out combat missions, but they could no longer tear themselves away from the runway. Yes, tanks are not more than a UAV; a ton doesn’t play a smaller role anymore, but you don’t count on it much. On the relay and step finders do not go far. Moses led his people through the desert for years 40. You, almost 30, have already missed somewhere. It’s time to hurry. At this rate you in the "Promised Land" (in a bright future, to the victory of communism, call it what you want) in time not to get.
    3. 0
      21 June 2018 23: 19
      Perhaps there will be no control from a long distance. Remote-controlled tanks lead the way, followed by the BMP, on the same platform, with the operators stationed in the troop compartment. Tanks iron fortifications, without the risk of losing people. If the tanks in the defense of the operators can also be held nearby. In this case, you can use wired communications.
      1. 0
        22 June 2018 16: 28
        Quote: Grazdanin
        Perhaps there will be no control from a long distance. Remote-controlled tanks lead the way, followed by the BMP, on the same platform, with the operators stationed in the troop compartment. Tanks iron fortifications, without the risk of losing people. If the tanks in the defense of the operators can also be held nearby. In this case, you can use wired communications.

        Tell me that you are joking and we laugh together. drinks
        The enemy immediately on the battlefield vychlenit operators and instantly knock out.
        1. 0
          24 June 2018 12: 19
          I’ve always been amused by such people — how strong a foe is, that’s just calculating and “knocking out” our valuable shots, and we are standing at their full height and waiting, right? am How did you get what will happen to you like the Arabs of the Papuans, talk to the terrorists from the Islamic State what they treat in your hospitals - they will explain to you on fingers what Russia is bully good and HOW are the soldiers of the SAA and the "Russian soldier" different. Well, you can still chat with Bendera in the resorts, she will tell you the tales how their "Russian artillery" divided into zero (dada "divided") in boilers. good
  8. 0
    20 June 2018 11: 18
    By the way, the question of an armored capsule for a robot is an ambiguous question. Brains - even artificial ones - must also be protected.
    Yes, and the appearance can repeat one to one - this is to mislead the enemy. It is enough to recall the experience of the Second World War when a commander tank was determined by a handrail antenna.
    So it is here.
  9. +1
    20 June 2018 11: 26
    Curious. And how will this robot pull itself out of the swamp or pull the caterpillar? Here you cannot get by with artificial intelligence alone.
    1. +1
      24 June 2018 12: 22
      Excuse me, but it doesn’t surprise you at all that the pilots of the planes do not “pump the tires” (yes, I know that they are cast), do not refuel the planes, etc.? It does not occur to you that for the situations described, if this is not a battlefield - there are repair companies (or other units) attached to the drums, and on the battlefield - BRDM !!!
  10. +4
    20 June 2018 12: 16
    "Tachanka-B" .... And who is this B? What kind of charades? Now, if they called "Tachanka-M", then, although it could be assumed that it is "Tachanka Makhno" ..... E-mine! fool My wife just told me that it could be Budyonny’s cart! fellow
    1. +2
      21 June 2018 05: 12
      Our designers have a wild fantasy in terms of names. When I served in the early 90s, I received the latest KShMku K1Sh1 product "Couch-B". The letter B is also present
      1. +2
        21 June 2018 07: 34
        Quote: true_rover
        "Couch-B". The letter B is also present

        Well, at least not as “pitifully” as “Foundling”! crying
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  11. +1
    20 June 2018 14: 29
    As a result, it all comes down to adequate control of a combat unit, which is without a crew. And it is possible to organize full control over the combat complex only after the creation of weapons corresponding to these requirements. In the rifle segment, there are no such samples at all, in the rocket segment only disposable, cannon automatics are slightly better, but there are also enough problems of their own. The conclusion follows from this — instead of developing separate combat remote control modules, they quickly set up electric triggers on standard systems and want someone to come up with a robot no stupider than humans. And in the name “Tachanka-B” there is a certain historical meaning, by analogy there were armored cars following the tachanka, and this will not be another tachanka, but not an armored car! :)
    1. +1
      24 June 2018 12: 28
      Let’s frankly - “Armata” is already really a “computer game”, there seem to be nominally periscopes, but EVERYTHING is tied to electronics, that is, the “problem of finding the crew” is only a technical problem of signal transmission to the battlefield. In the tank, it is almost not subject to impact, remote - it can be blocked, but as they say "on any tricky anus, you will always find your own bolt with the right thread" feel Looks like the UAV theme is rushing, although there are problems with jammers and niche, while UAVs win. So, if you want and Funding, they will solve this problem.
  12. +2
    20 June 2018 15: 17
    Platform "TARAKAN",
  13. +2
    20 June 2018 19: 39
    Quote: A. Privalov
    When I saw the “Armata” being dragged on the ropes along the Red Square, I said, it does not matter, the child also does not start walking right away. Understand, debug. There is someone to do this, there is something to do. Did not go today, will go tomorrow.

    And she went on the same day.
  14. +2
    20 June 2018 21: 25
    Armata is already a ready-made robot. All situational awareness and all wire management. Put the translator in the armored capsule and in the rear a kung with operators and a remotely controlled tank is ready. Roughly speaking, “lengthen the wires” and you’re done.
  15. +2
    24 June 2018 12: 14
    Quote: A. Privalov
    The Intel company with the latest processors is located with us. Here they are developed and released. So there is no problem with this. All that is needed for the rest is bought without restrictions from a fairly wide range. In this case, you have sanctions and import substitution

    I would not boast of an ALIEN in your place. Over in China, almost ALL world corporations have built factories and almost everything, but somehow no one is in a hurry to consider China as completely independent and "science advanced." Laboratories and design bureaus - disassembled and taken out "by whistle" in years. The absence of sanctions does not mean anything - today NO, tomorrow already. Remind you how the Americans destroyed the aircraft industry, where is your "Lavi", and x in China lol . Actually, there is far from Intel in your country tongue and it’s still necessary to take a closer look at the significance of “your” KB laughing .
    Well, your laugh at "import substitution" is a fear and a fear of publicly recognizing that Israel is nothing in the technological sense, EVERYTHING that you make, you come up with is the product of emigrants who have come to you. Now you intimidated the Jews in France and they rushed to you, but where will you “scare” tomorrow?
    And for us, "don’t worry" tea for more than a thousand years of geniuses is being born with more than we can afford (here they are leaving). And those who have not left, have long and continuously entered their names in the History of human progress. bully good
  16. +1
    24 June 2018 14: 56
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Quote: Snail N9
    And, does Israel have such an "elementary base"? Or, nevertheless, skillfully completed produced in different countries?

    Enterprise "Intel" with the latest processors is with us. Here they are developed and produced. So there is no problem with that. All that is needed is the rest - is bought without restrictions from a fairly wide range. In this case, you have the sanctions and import substitution. How it looks like you probably know. On this account, only lazy jokes were not passed.
    A real example from the far past. In June, 2015, at the Army-2015 exhibition in Kubinka near Moscow, showed the Forpost military unmanned systems as a purely Russian development, which in fact were Searcher II’s Israeli drones that assemble at UZGA - (Ural civil aviation plant in Yekaterinburg) from Israeli components. Everything would be fine, but after Shoigu demanded that priority be given to the equipment of Russian manufacturers, the Russian GLONASS and the Russian radio intelligence equipment were put on Searcher II. As a result, the drones turned out to be heavier than the original kilogram on the 100 over and not that they could not carry out combat missions, but they could no longer tear themselves away from the runway. Yes, tanks are not more than a UAV; a ton doesn’t play a smaller role anymore, but you don’t count on it much. On the relay and step finders do not go far. Moses led his people through the desert for years 40. You, almost 30, have already missed somewhere. It’s time to hurry. At this rate you in the "Promised Land" (in a bright future, to the victory of communism, call it what you want) in time not to get.

    There are INT Intel in Russia, too, with the most up-to-date ones, and we have a lot of other cool stuff that you don’t have. And you stupid immigrants are already very proud of their Israel.
  17. 0
    25 June 2018 03: 31
    the crew does not have the opportunity to peep out of the hatch.

    that's where the dog rummaged ... Which of the hatch does not peep out b / anally ... what kind of tankman is he in FIG!