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New Navy ships - a worthy trophy of the enemy

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For each warship built

ten auxiliary vessels each!
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The Navy's rearmament program for the most part consists of transports, “hydrographs,” and other logistics support tugs. A significant proportion of the allocated funds is spent on supporting projects fleet.

“Supporting” projects are comparable in scale with the construction of first-class warships. For example, the contract for the construction of a series of three vessels for the logistics of the 23120 project (the lead ship is Elbrus) cost the fleet 12 billion rubles. An amount comparable to the cost of building the frigate “Admiral Grigorovich” (13,3 billion rubles).

Of course, voiced in 2011-2012's. initial estimates were very far from the final cost. But the ratio remained unchanged: instead of the rocket ship of the far sea zone, three “tugs” under construction. In reality, only two of them were able to be completed, due to disruptions in the supply of foreign components for the third building.

As follows from the description of “Elbrus”, the main purpose of the vessel is the transportation and transfer of dry cargo, including on unequipped coast, combined with the function of the sea tug. The development of the Arctic infrastructure associated with projects in the offshore oil and gas industry, as well as the creation of military facilities in high latitudes, makes such vessels absolutely necessary as part of the Northern Fleet.


New Navy ship, what a rarity!


On the other hand, the domestic fleet has never experienced a shortage of transport and tow vessels. So much so that in the 2015 year, the Russian Federation (represented by the Federal Property Management Agency) even sold four similar vessels (“Tumcha”, Naftohaz-51, 57 and 61) to the Argentine naval forces. This is a “workhorse” built 1986-90. (compare with the age of most of the ships of the Navy!), which, due to the monotony of their tasks, are designed to operate for many decades.

Readers may rightly note that there is an acute need for rocking ships (for transporting wheeled and tracked vehicles) and container ships suitable for use as part of “Syrian express trains” and for supplying operations on the overseas shores. Everyone remembers history with urgent purchase of Turkish transports for the needs of the Black Sea Fleet? Unfortunately, the court of this class in the plans are not provided. State-owned companies show their interest only in projects of the tanker fleet, which is necessary for the developing oil and gas industry. As for the "Elbrus" and similar means, it is rather tugs than transport ships. For transportation of large volumes of goods they are not suitable.

“Today the 480 of naval and offshore support vessels is on the fleet's auxiliary fleet.”

(Deputy Minister of Defense Dmitry Bulgakov, 2016).

Even taking into account the amendment to the technical condition of some of the units listed on the balance sheet, a dozen auxiliary vessels are received for one combat-ready destroyer, frigate or SSBN of the domestic fleet!

Along with “Elbrusy” (23120 project), for the needs of the Navy, sea tugs of the 23470 project (“Andrey Stepanov” and “Sergey Balk”) were ordered, four rescue and tug vessels of 22870 Ave., the Yauza ice-class sea transport was deeply modernized. under the 550M project (80% of machinery and equipment replaced), a towing vessel of the 20180 ave. (“Zvezdochka”) was built, a series of vessels representing the further development of the “Zvezdochka” - “20183” marine vessels (“Akademik Aleksandrov”) is under construction.

From the abundance of projects of sea tugs just dazzled.

New Navy ships - a worthy trophy of the enemy


Despite the urgent need for warships, for some reason, priority is given to auxiliary units.

In view of the voiced facts and financial constraints, when combat-ready warships become a rare and exclusive phenomenon, an inexplicable desire to update the already numerous logistic support vessels looks like a criminal waste.

In addition to “Elbrus” and other transport-tug vessels, in the interests of the Navy many other contracts were concluded, the necessity and timeliness of which raise questions.

Last year, the Black Sea Fleet intensified with the experimental vessel “Viktor Cherokov” (20360 OS pr.). Initially, a floating crane ammunition loader worth 600 million rubles. and with a deadline in 2010 g. In the process it turned out that the ammunition loader was no longer needed. Seven years later, the ship was completed on the modified project as a stand for testing torpedo weapons.

Based on the design and purpose, the task of the “Viktor Cherokov” is to launch samples of experimental practical torpedoes (with a set of measuring devices installed instead of warheads) with their subsequent search and rise to the surface.



This is in conditions when the Navy is already in trial operation of several modern, but, for a number of reasons, limited combat-ready ships. For example, the B-90 submarine “Sarov” or the head diesel-electric submarine of the 677 pr. St. Petersburg, which is the best for testing mine-torpedo weapons. The identified deficiencies of the power plant in this context do not matter. Ships do not participate in combat services and spend all the time near their native shores. And once built - use with maximum efficiency.

Fully finished test benchesas close as possible to the design of warships of the Russian Navy.

In addition to these units, a whole series of torpedo boats are currently being built using the updated 1388 avenue.

Against this background, the emergence of another project of a floating stand for launching torpedoes looks like a redundant solution. Especially in a situation where the carriers themselves of “new types of torpedo weapons” can be counted on fingers.

Floating laboratories and trial vessels are a whole mainstream in the rearmament program of the Navy.

In less than a decade, for the needs of the Navy, a pair of 11982 vessels (Ladoga and Seliger) were built to conduct tests of special technical equipment, equipment and armaments. Along with them, an oceanographic vessel was built on the 22010 “Yantar” project for the study of the seabed. Very expensive programs.

In total, the value of the contract for the construction of “Yantar” and “Seliger” was 7 billion rubles. (initial estimate as of 2009).


Handsome "Amber". He would have looked even more beautiful against the background of a pair of frigates


“Measure seven times” sounds wise. Experiments allow to obtain knowledge about the real characteristics of objects, to confirm or deny their stated properties in certain conditions. But in the context of the military fleet, all these experiments and studies of the seabed make sense only if the accumulated body of knowledge can be applied on board warships. And here on this place the program of rearmament of the Navy is at odds with common sense.

The Americans, having a fleet of 70 destroyers, can afford to build auxiliary units for any purpose. In our case, the approach should be different. In view of the officially announced figures on the existing number of auxiliary vessels and the existing financial constraints, all forces and means should be given to re-equip divisions of warships.

As for trial vessels, the Japanese demonstrated an example of the most rational spending of funds by building a “trial vessel” that fully corresponded in size, energy, and seaworthiness to a serial destroyer. Differences - in the composition of weapons and electronic "stuffing".



JDS Asuka is designed for testing radars, elements of a CICS, launchers and various ship systems. Despite the experimental nature of this ship, in fact there is another unaccounted rocket destroyer in the composition of the Japanese Navy.

Cave Carriers - Fleet Shock Force

“Cherry on the cake” of this review will be a new generation of communications boats. Traditionally, boats of this class are intended for service trips when managing ships on raids, transportation of groups of persons, documents and small cargoes. But here behind the routine name completely different scales are hidden.

As it became known from official sources, a “boat” was built at the Sokolsky shipyard in the Nizhny Novgorod region with the factory number “403”

67 meters of length, displacement 1000 tons. In terms of its size and cost, the “cutter” surpassed the small rocket carriers carrying the “Calibrov”. Admirals have something to be proud of. The only question is what is the combat value of this vessel?



The new “communication boat” will be able to adequately demonstrate the flag at the quays of Monte Carlo casinos. And in terms of the richness of the internal equipment, this representative yacht should surpass the “ceremonial” communication boats of the 21270 Ave., which will be described a little later.

A few years ago, three “communication boats” of the 21270 Ave appeared at once in the Baltic Fleet, specially prepared for receiving naval parades. Each has six comfortable cabins: a main VIP cabin with a separate office and five cabins for lower-ranking officers, 20-room for banquets, as well as a restaurant-observation deck on the upper deck, allowing all those present to admire the parade of warships.


Another project of the communications boat, modification of the 1388 pr.


Curiously, the claimed magnificence of the 21270 project and various modifications of the 1388 pr. Remained out of work. At the naval parade in St. Petersburg in 2017, Vladimir Putin traditionally chose a more ascetic and brutal image. The President received the main parade from the board of a high-speed patrol boat of the 03160 pr. (“Raptor”), painted white and equipped with all the necessary equipment for this purpose.

Concerning pleasure yachts communication boats, they remained toys for the admirals.

The only positive moment of this story is that they did not hesitate to build representative yachts at domestic shipyards. Following the military order, a reputation will appear, and then, for sure, orders from individuals. The German shipyard Blohm & Voss may lose its regular customers.

On the other hand, the number of ceremonial boats in the Baltic fleet will soon exceed the number of active warships. All this is similar to a curious story with the number of admiral posts in one famous naval power.

The result?

“Sawed the allocated funds, built instead of destroyers and submarines vessels of dubious purpose,” the outraged reader will say.

In fact, everything is different. As part of any kind of armed forces a significant part of the equipment falls on special-purpose equipment. For example, an order to build a series of 9 hydrographic vessels from the 19910 Ave., taking into account the length of Russia's maritime borders, seems to be a perfectly justified decision. The staging of navigation buoys, the maintenance and reloading of floating equipment for navigation equipment is the most important work package for ensuring the safety of navigation and the activity of ships, naval bases and landfills of the Navy.

There can be no doubt about the need for a so-called. communication vessels (sea intelligence officers) of project 18280 “Yuri Ivanov” and “Ivan Khurs”. Or ocean-class rescue ship “Victor Belousov” (Ave. 21300С) with the Bester-1 deep-sea craft. So that in case of emergency situations, you no longer have to turn to Norwegians and British for help. Another question is why such an important ship, giving a chance to rescue submariners in distress, was built in a single copy? But tugs - for all occasions!

Most of the reports on the renewal of the ship's personnel are related to the construction of ships, which are very far from the tasks and needs of military sailors. The Navy is a tool to protect the interests of Russia on the sea. And, no matter what the modern “philosophers” assert that the fleet begins with tugboats and support vessels, the Navy is first and foremost warships. It is their number and characteristics that determine the potential of any naval forces.

What is now being built in shipyards under the cover of the Navy rearmament program, for the most part, has nothing to do with the navy. In the present situation, numerous tugs, transports and “oceanographers” can only become an excellent trophy for the enemy.

Here we gain experience - and then! ..

Analogies with the post-war program of rearmament of the Navy of the end of the 40-x - the beginning of the 50-x. here are completely out of place. At that time, hundreds of ships of obsolete projects were built in shipyards with the main goal: to preserve the shipbuilding industry and gain experience in building ships on their own (as opposed to the pre-war years when all technologies were acquired abroad).

Now there is no need to build tugs. Tales about the lack of specialists and technologies will be left on the conscience of those who cannot (or do not want) to see the truth in emphasis.

And it is this: the shipbuilding industry of the Russian Federation and related research institutes and production facilities are ready to implement projects of any complexity, including the construction of an aircraft carrier. A striking example is the restructuring of the 270-meter “Gorshkov” into the Indian “Vikramaditya” with the replacement of the 243 hull sections, the 2300 km of cables, and the complete replacement of all mechanisms and equipment: GEM, deck configurations, and aircraft lifts.

Over the past 25 years, Russian shipyards built first-class warships for export: destroyers and submarines for the PRC, supplied long-range air defense systems for the Chinese fleet, one after another handed over Talvara’s customers, and took part in developing the newest destroyers for the Indian Navy. Among the eloquent examples: Indian submariners got into service the export “Calibres” (Club-S) ten years earlier than the domestic submarine fleet!

Why are programs of building warships for the Russian Navy being carried out with such tension and skidding? Why the allocated funds are redistributed in favor of projects far from the first importance? Who benefits from meaningless promises “to gain experience, to saturate the fleet with tugboats, so that while it turns out we build, and only then ...” Answers to these questions should be sought among those responsible for the distribution of funds.

There is no other explanation.


The rearmament of the Navy is in full swing!
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  1. Vard
    Vard 21 June 2018 05: 39
    +12
    Tugs can be sold ... What was done ... A warship ... If it is not custom-made and does not hurt, then who needs it ...
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 21 June 2018 06: 29
      +22
      Quote: Vard
      A warship ... If it is not to order and does not hurt, then who needs ...
      Well, do not tell. The same Chinese purchased the destroyer of the 4 project from our merchants 956, and the unfinished aircraft carrier from Hohlyandia, which we did not need (Varyag). India bought the "Gorshkov", for it had a wide modernization, in fact, having made a new ship, the aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya", plus the Indians rented submarines. In general, our buy-sell built and sold a fleet over the hill, where in addition to the voiced and completely new, specially built ships, 8 frigates, 6 rocket boats, 9 patrol boats, 17 diesel-electric submarines, plus 6 airborne hovercraft (like "Bison" and "Moray"). How justified is all this, coupled with the total write-off and sale of warships for scrap metal, is a separate question, but our warships are in demand over the hill, and as fleet combat units themselves, and as scrap metal, again, for building our ships from our iron. In the photo our destroyers from the Chinese.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 21 June 2018 12: 45
        +14
        Then it was actually the most powerful ships of the PLA Navy. Now obsolete - requiring modernization. And what is surprising is that, despite the presence of 6X052С destroyers, a huge series of the fundamentally new 052D with 64 universal mines and an expandable series of 055 (more than 10 ships are being built - 2 have been launched, another 2 will be launched from day to day - paired with 112 universal in Dalian) the mines. These upgrade 956. Throw everything except AK-130 in fact:
        - A new shock complex YJ-18 instead of Mosquito.
        - The updated Calm-Shtil-1 in vertical 24 + 12 mines with a new missile, instead of beams.
        - Added a new short-range air defense system FL-3000N on 24 missiles.
        - A new modification of the Frigate radar, as well as the generally updated radar weapons.
        - Significant changes in the energy sector, an implemented management automation and water treatment system.

        The lead 136 destroyer is already completing the upgrade. 137 - now they are unloading and preparing for modernization ...
      2. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 21 June 2018 12: 48
        +15
        Money, money .... Yes, no money can replace the real "iron" for which the real lives of not only the crews, but also those whom they protect !. All this is disgusting !!! Trading in theory should be burned with a hot iron from consciousness.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 21 June 2018 09: 04
      +4
      Quote: Vard
      Tugs can be sold ... What was done ... A warship ... If it is not custom-made and does not hurt, then who needs it ...

      Yes, I also thought, especially since the tugs are small and the price is not high, so you can easily find a buyer and quickly sell. The same about the "communication boat", there is always
      1. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 21 June 2018 12: 00
        +6
        All this auxiliary fleet of the Navy can fully work for the civilian fleet, both of the Russian Federation and other countries. Here are three “yachts” to build, there is overkill and there is no control, but this disease of uncontrolled theft from the government occurs (when oil went up and money flowed, the closure and cutting of military construction only increased, probably more than the "extra" billions decided to transfer to foreign banks ), who would be surprised if Serdyukov was appointed the main ones, so the continuation follows ...
        1. Bratkov Oleg
          Bratkov Oleg 1 August 2018 01: 18
          0
          Uncontrolled theft ... Serdyukov main ...
          Engines are needed for large ships; in the USSR they were made at a factory built in Ukraine. And after the collapse of the USSR and Ukraine, it became harder and harder, and now there are no engines. And how to make big ships? In the form of towed barges?
    3. Deck
      Deck 21 June 2018 15: 35
      +10
      Tugs can be sold ...


      Such, for example, project 23120 (the main one is Elbrus) which cost the fleet 12 billion rubles, you’ll sell horseradish! The newly built icebreaker "Evgeni Primakov" built at the Arctech Helsinki Shipyard in Helsinki cost Sovcomflot to order twice !!! cheaper. Despite the greater displacement. Good fleet cuts money laughing
  2. 2329 Carpenter
    2329 Carpenter 21 June 2018 05: 55
    0
    There will be a lot of scrap metal at the adversaries ...
    Or according to tradition: "I am dying, but I do not give up"?
    Submarine is not affected. So it needs to be developed. If
  3. tlauicol
    tlauicol 21 June 2018 06: 07
    +5
    only yesterday he called one of the ships "superstructure-bearer", and today Oleg issued an article on "cabin carriers"
    1. Santa Fe
      21 June 2018 06: 24
      +10
      Ivan, you overestimate the author, he does not have time to write as quickly as it was before. The timing of publication on the site also shifts articles to the right for a couple of days.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 21 June 2018 06: 27
        +8
        Quote: Santa Fe
        Ivan, you overestimate the author, he does not have time to write as quickly as it was before. The timing of publication on the site also shifts articles to the right for a couple of days.

        I do not overestimate at all - exc. stuff!
        simple coincidence
        1. Bratkov Oleg
          Bratkov Oleg 1 August 2018 01: 33
          +1
          Overestimate, and overestimate very much. The material is superficial, fake, against the background of cheers-pseudo-patriotic slogans, the author tried to create the illusion of authenticity. But he did not completely disclose (does not realize the existence of such a question) the topic of gas turbine engines for warships, and most likely is influenced by the socialist type of economy that was in the Soviet Union. It would be necessary for him to somehow explain that now there is a different type of economy, that there is a hell of a lot of capitalists and private traders who do not work according to the wage schedule established by the state, and if he looks at least at the private car park on the street, at the number of Kalin, Prior, X -rays only of a domestic manufacturer, outside the window, let Chevrolet, Kia, Khundai and so on add to it, then maybe he will guess that in the Soviet Union, people mostly got to work on buses, and there were fewer shops and people employed in stores selling and speculative price of goods in the Soviet Union were behind the machines, because the Soviet Union could build ships to hell, but in the current economy, this is impossible.
          Something like that.
      2. avt
        avt 21 June 2018 07: 12
        +20
        Quote: Santa Fe
        Ivan, you overestimate the author, he does not have time to write as fast as before.

        God be with him with cursive writing. The main thing he does not have time to think about what he writes. bully But it normal .
        Floating laboratories and trial vessels are a whole mainstream in the rearmament program of the Navy.
        In less than a decade, for the needs of the Navy, a pair of 11982 vessels (Ladoga and Seliger) were built to conduct tests of special technical equipment, equipment and armaments. Along with them, an oceanographic vessel was built on the 22010 “Yantar” project for the study of the seabed. Very expensive programs.
        bully Oleg ! Well, maybe you’ll try, stop and look - To which management are all assigned
        "Measure seven times"
        and other types
        experimental vessel “Victor Cherokov” (pr. 20360 OS).
        Then you look and frank delirium
        This is in conditions when the Navy is already in trial operation of several modern, but, for a number of reasons, limited combat-ready ships. For example, the B-90 submarine “Sarov” or the head diesel-electric submarine of the 677 pr. St. Petersburg, which is the best for testing mine-torpedo weapons. The identified deficiencies of the power plant in this context do not matter. Ships do not participate in combat services and spend all the time near their native shores. And once built - use with maximum efficiency.
        I don’t have to write.
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 21 June 2018 07: 31
          +8
          Quote: avt
          To which management are all these

          If you read the inscription on the cage of an elephant: buffalo - do not believe your eyes! laughing
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        3. Bratkov Oleg
          Bratkov Oleg 9 January 2019 00: 51
          0
          12 airfields were built for Buran. A pair of mains, and 10 spare. Of these 12 airfields, two were located outside the USSR, in Cuba, and in Libya. Little of! Under pressure from the USSR, French and British colonialists were expelled from Libya, and Libya gained independence. became an independent state!
          And later, the capitalist leadership of the Kremlin simply stood by, and watched as Libya was pulled apart, by the British, French, and others ...
          And now, even if the Strategic Missile Forces, it seems, are on guard of Russia, and that’s good ...
          Or maybe they don’t cost more.
    2. AUL
      AUL 21 June 2018 06: 34
      +1
      The title of the article is somehow ... ambiguous!
      1. Bratkov Oleg
        Bratkov Oleg 9 January 2019 00: 52
        0
        The ambiguous knowledge of the author makes it possible to write ambiguous answers.
  4. Royalist
    Royalist 21 June 2018 06: 50
    +7
    An ambiguous impression of the pack: on the one hand, everything is so, and on the other hand, the Navy cannot exist without an auxiliary fleet. The same squadron in the Mediterranean needs to be replenished with food and fuel. A “communications ship” - spy ships are needed!
    And what a lot of sloppiness, and where there is sloppiness and a "shaher maher" this is true. But the wild sloppiness was before the war itself! The Kremlin has this, on the website, something flickered.
    1. Artem Popov
      Artem Popov 4 July 2018 16: 46
      +1
      "A" communications ship "- spy ships are needed!"
      Which side is this spy vessel from? Is it possible to solder foreign admirals on it in order to unleash languages
  5. Royalist
    Royalist 21 June 2018 06: 54
    +6
    Quote: Tlauicol
    only yesterday he called one of the ships "superstructure-bearer", and today Oleg issued an article on "cabin carriers"

    And next time about the "bellies"? 2/3 of admirals and generals always and everywhere are distinguished by a "hippo waist". Why is that?
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 21 June 2018 09: 25
      +2
      As well as many men to 40 years.
    2. beeper
      beeper 31 August 2018 13: 37
      +1
      Quote: Royalist
      Quote: Tlauicol
      only yesterday he called one of the ships "superstructure-bearer", and today Oleg issued an article on "cabin carriers"

      And next time about the "bellies"? 2/3 of admirals and generals always and everywhere are distinguished by a "hippo waist". Why is that?

      hi Probably because the striped "hippos" do not pass the test for the officer's complex of physical training ?! For American "partners," the annual delivery of standards for physical training, it seems, (I have not "penetrated" for a long time, I write from memory, perhaps I am mistaken) is obligatory for all categories of servicemen, and failure (a month was given for retake) -is a reason for resignation? !
      It was always funny for me from the Kuvian minobra uzmuk (known for the "fabulous mutton" with the Russian Tu-154, shot down by the ukrovoys over the Black Sea region, and the "Tochka-U", like, with him, "pissed" a nine-story building in the Brovary suburb of Kiev ?!) , a former tanker, who, in his general build, would hardly have squeezed into the hatch of a tank, so who could this "substandard" "kolobok" oblige to maintain proper (military man) physical condition ?!
  6. Fungus
    Fungus 21 June 2018 06: 59
    +4
    Another cry is Yaroslavl, not an article.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 21 June 2018 07: 23
      +16
      Quote: Fungus
      Another cry is Yaroslavl, not an article.

      Well, many, many years ago, Oleg wrote about the world's best frigate Gorshkov, which is about ... years have passed, it remains only to write communication boats (corvettes)
      1. Gargantua
        Gargantua 22 June 2018 11: 49
        +3
        Quote: Tlauicol
        Quote: Fungus
        Another cry is Yaroslavl, not an article.

        Well, many, many years ago, Oleg wrote about the world's best frigate Gorshkov, which is about ... years have passed, it remains only to write communication boats (corvettes)

        Well, why, almost every day do I read on the Internet about an atomic destroyer without any analogs, a leader or a 5th generation super-submarine Husky, about a powerful aircraft carrier storm, etc. And what remains for people if ships are not built?
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 22 June 2018 11: 54
          0
          I heard that in the 14th year the strict Corvette will go into operation feel
  7. EvilLion
    EvilLion 21 June 2018 08: 22
    +2
    necessary for the developing oil and gas industry.


    You can not read further. Now Kaptsov has slid into complete insanity.
  8. san4es
    san4es 21 June 2018 08: 29
    +7
    But tugboats - for all occasions!

    ... And there are different cases am
  9. antivirus
    antivirus 21 June 2018 08: 44
    +1
    As for pleasure yachts, communication boats, they remained toys for admirals.

    all the “auxiliary” ones have empty zones - just sheets of metal on decks and superstructures - the time will come and they will put in a “new. secret, rocket ....” deception is a common thing of our geniuses. AVIAN CARRIERS DO NOT NEED MORE, EXTRA ONE ALREADY FROM 2017 (SEE TUKSIERS).
    BALANCE OF FORCES IN OCEAN ZONES (?) TURNED BEFORE RUSSIA.
    UNDER THE ENCRYPTABLE - THE TRAMP IS NOT POSSIBLE
  10. Conductor
    Conductor 21 June 2018 08: 58
    +8
    Not the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation but the Ministry of Defense and Services Gazprom and Rosneft of the Russian Federation
  11. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 21 June 2018 09: 01
    +18
    An article by a man who "loves the sea from the coast, and ships in the pictures." The author, as always, showed knowledge of the issue at the level of the "piquet vest". Apparently he does not know the state of the auxiliary fleet and its age. By the way, the crews of these ships perform a feat every day (the age of one of the youngest is 25 ... 30 years). It is impossible to look at the Syrian express without tears ... I know the problem from the inside, 30 years on iron.
    Coastal infrastructure, repair facilities are also in full ... Everything requires labor and money. The fleet is a very complicated mechanism, but the author is not interested in it; he urges us to go on the rake of the Soviet Navy. The article shows complete ignorance of the issue, the article minus.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 21 June 2018 10: 05
      +7
      about the Syrian express 6th paragraph, if that.
      The author asks a question about priorities - which is more necessary: ​​admiral's boats the size of a corvette and tugs, or rollers and frigates?
      1. Gray Wolf
        Gray Wolf 21 June 2018 13: 44
        0
        If you tug up pieces of 5 Club containers in tugs, then tugs can be a serious military force. As someone wrote above:

        "BALANCE OF FORCES IN OCEAN ZONES (?) TURNED BEFORE RUSSIA.
        UNDER THE ENCRYPTABLE - THE TRUMP CANNOT BE SUBSTITUTED "

        And given the way Trump breaks relations left and right with former US allies, it seems that Trump is really our person.
    2. pavelwf1
      pavelwf1 21 June 2018 11: 40
      +6
      The author of the article does not go to stores, and the economy does not lead!
      Of course, how simple it is Ships Aircraft Tanks Infantry and Space projects to conduct. ??? Yes, and at the same time. The author studied economics at school or not! ???
      Be grateful for what we have. Under Yeltsin, this was not! I'm not talking about quality. And innovation and new technologies.
  12. Servisinzhener
    Servisinzhener 21 June 2018 09: 42
    +7
    It is a pity the article does not say how many tugs, supply vessels and other things rely on a certain number of warships according to the standards. So that these warships can function normally. And there was also the opportunity to conduct exercises with any major forces.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 21 June 2018 10: 55
      +6
      The first to build combat, in parallel or after auxiliary. This is an axiom! Everything else is from the evil one.
  13. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 21 June 2018 10: 00
    0
    The Navy's rearmament program for the most part consists of transports, “hydrographs,” and other logistics support tugs.

    will be on what MTR deploy in the "oceans"
    1. sabotage
      sabotage 21 June 2018 19: 30
      0
      Will they go to fish feed?
  14. NordUral
    NordUral 21 June 2018 10: 50
    +6
    It feels like reading that we are planning (if you can call it that) types for which only enrichment is important, and not the defense of the country. Not to say even stronger.
  15. pavelwf1
    pavelwf1 21 June 2018 11: 09
    +6
    I read the article and apart from the personal opinion and dissatisfaction of the author, I didn’t find anything. ((Cut the dough, the author imagines.;)
    Dear, I certainly understand that none of those reading and past and surviving after the Real Cut by Yeltsin and his team
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 21 June 2018 11: 47
      +5
      Everyone is Sawing, Elttsy and the Java family, and the non-existent Camarilla, not directly a management but a team of sawmills with friendship 2
  16. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 21 June 2018 11: 53
    +3
    the inexplicable desire to renew the already numerous rear support vessels seems like a criminal waste.

    Everything is simply inexplicable. The Russian oil and gas industry finally got a desire to conduct geological exploration ... but money didn’t appear to invest in this desire, and so we are building supply vessels for future transports and scouts of the seabed and minerals. Everything is the same as with “yachts”, just change the direction and application a little.
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 21 June 2018 17: 35
      +4
      And which ships from the ordered MOs can conduct geological exploration in the conditions of the Arctic shelf? Tugs, trial vessels or communication vessels? The author made very dubious conclusions and immediately picked them up.
  17. RuslanD36
    RuslanD36 21 June 2018 12: 02
    +4
    In the area of ​​strategic submarine missile carriers, the delivery of 5 new ships is planned. The fleet will also receive 6 multi-purpose submarines and 2 special submarines with a nuclear power plant. 3 diesel-electric submarines will be completed and delivered. In total, for the three years under consideration, the fleet will be handed over 16 submarines of all classes.

    Surface ship connections will receive the 3 frigate, the 4 corvette, and also the 13 small rocket ships. 4 patrol ships, 2 large landing craft and 3 base minesweeper will be obtained. Scheduled completion and transfer of 6 boats of several types. Another 3 frigate is still in question: they will be completed, but may not be in time for the 2020 year. Thus, the surface fleet for the surveyed period will receive at least 35 ships and boats.

    The grouping of auxiliary ships will be supplemented by 1 reconnaissance ship, 4 transports, 7 tugs, 7 tankers, 2 cable ships, 2 hydrographic vessels and 14 boats for various purposes. Total 36 units.

    Source: https://topwar.ru/139588-50-korabley-i-sudov-k-20
    20-godu.html

    so there is an advantage over warships. The need for transports to ensure autonomy must be explained, apparently, only to the author. The fact that we do not have bases and will not always be allowed to enter ports of others to us, apparently, is also not taken into account.
    1. al.schenaev
      al.schenaev 22 June 2018 00: 43
      +1
      All this is good, they forgot one thing: on the floor there are such tanks - "dirty". For them, a bulk barge is also supposed to be, and not one for them, they also need a tugboat, they are not self-propelled ...
  18. Seamaster
    Seamaster 21 June 2018 12: 07
    +7
    At the beginning of the century, the Queen of England had one small state yacht.
    Nikolai the 2nd has 6. Some are the size of a cruiser.
    England did not lose a single war at sea at the beginning of the 20th century, and Russia drew a war at sea both in the Russo-Japanese War and in the 1st World War (both in the Baltic and the Black Sea. Even in Penang, they managed to get unrequited )
    I am not against tugboats and other technical fleet, with which in Soviet times there were problems.
    But outboard boats are something wrong.
    1. -Pollux
      -Pollux 21 June 2018 12: 35
      +3
      Quote: Seamaster
      England did not lose a single war at sea in the early 20th century

      England did not win a single land war, Russia did not lose a single land war ...
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 21 June 2018 12: 58
        +4
        Quote: Pollux
        Quote: Seamaster
        England did not lose a single war at sea in the early 20th century

        England did not win a single land war, Russia did not lose a single land war ...

        Seriously ? Didn’t I lose straight ???
        1. -Pollux
          -Pollux 21 June 2018 21: 23
          0
          Quote: lelikas
          Seriously ? Didn’t I lose straight ???

          Refute if you can.
          1. Artem Popov
            Artem Popov 4 July 2018 18: 15
            0
            Prut campaign.
            Napoleonic Wars - lost THREE, second (1801 peace treaty), third (1805 peace treaty) and fourth (1807 peace treaty) coalitions. Napoleon didn’t just go to Russia in 1812 - she could not calm down in any way, time after time she attacked France.
            Crimean War - ALL ground battles are lost.
            RY war - ALL ground battles are lost.

            Oh, this armless Russia, no fleet, no army.
            1. -Pollux
              -Pollux 4 July 2018 20: 56
              +1
              Quote: Artem Popov
              Prut trip

              However, this is new ... and why not the “Prut war”? Maybe because in the end Russia won in the Russo-Turkish war?
              Quote: Artem Popov
              Napoleonic wars

              Which eventually won the Russian Empire. Everything else is just your fiction.
              Quote: Artem Popov
              Crimean War - ALL ground battles are lost.

              Why didn’t they capture Crimea then? The allies could not even capture Sevastopol, only part of it was somehow not enough for a "victorious war."
              Quote: Artem Popov
              RY war - ALL ground battles are lost.

              Isn't that all? As a result of battles on land, the Japanese did not achieve success, all their successes are concessions to Russia as a result of political pressure from our sworn "friends", as in the Crimean War
              1. Artem Popov
                Artem Popov 5 July 2018 00: 37
                +1
                However, this is new ... and why not the “Prut war”? Maybe because in the end Russia won in the Russo-Turkish war?

                Oh bad you have a story. Confuse the Constantinople Peace of 1700 with the Prutsky of 1711.
                It’s more likely not even to be confused, but to blame “like Peter fought with the Turks”.
                Which eventually won the Russian Empire. Everything else is just your fiction.

                Each war is crowned by a peace treaty. Three defeat agreements and one victorious.
                Why didn’t they capture Crimea then? The allies could not even capture Sevastopol, only part of it was somehow not enough for a "victorious war."

                And why didn’t we capture all of Turkey, how many times did it win? every time some concessions and pieces. Refusal of multi-field shipping on the Danube, the ban on having a fleet, the TRANSFER of the Danube territories of Moldova, the loss of protectorate over the Balkan states (including Serbia, once again thrown), the strengthening of Turkish sovereignty on the straits - they didn’t lose, they didn’t lose!
                Isn't that all? As a result of battles on land, the Japanese did not achieve success, all their successes are concessions to Russia as a result of political pressure from our sworn "friends", as in the Crimean War

                one and all, one to one as in the Crimean War, strategic maneuvering on the northern borders of the theater of military operations.
                The Japanese “didn’t succeed” - they occupied and integrated Korea (!), Only in 1945 it gained independence, took away all diplomatic and military conquests in China, the islands, deprived of control over the CER (the only thread connecting Vladivostok), deprived Russia of 80% of the fleet, only the Black Sea remained afloat, but the "Glory" in the Baltic, which did not have time to finish building .. This is this "failure"!

                Hmm, you still need to look for such a liar and a hypocrite, for which only people do not go, just not to admit their mistake.
                1. -Pollux
                  -Pollux 5 July 2018 21: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Artem Popov
                  Each war is crowned by a peace treaty. Three defeat agreements and one victorious.

                  Each war is crowned by the defeat of the enemy army, and an unfavorable peace treaty may be the result of external political pressure from third parties.
                  Neither in the Crimean War nor in the Russian-Japanese allegedly lost Russian army was defeated, unlike, for example, the Wehrmacht or the Kwantung Army. What kind of victory are we talking about if the enemy army is not defeated and is able to continue the battle?
                  Quote: Artem Popov
                  And why didn’t we capture all of Turkey, how many times did it win?

                  Quote: Artem Popov
                  Oh bad you have a story.

                  This is your absolute non-knowledge of history. There are third countries, such as France, Britain and others, which prevented Russia from taking over the straits.
                  Quote: Artem Popov
                  The Japanese “didn’t succeed” - occupied and integrated Korea

                  Are Koreans aware of integration with Japan?
                  1. Artem Popov
                    Artem Popov 6 July 2018 11: 19
                    0
                    Each war is crowned by the defeat of the enemy army, and an unfavorable peace treaty may be the result of external political pressure from third parties.
                    Neither in the Crimean War nor in the Russian-Japanese allegedly lost Russian army was defeated, unlike, for example, the Wehrmacht or the Kwantung Army. What kind of victory are we talking about if the enemy army is not defeated and is able to continue the battle?

                    Well, we didn’t break Napoleon either, that means we didn’t win, huh? ;)
                    the Turks, too, have never been defeated, all are any operational successes, after which they went to negotiations.
                    Yes, we did not defeat anyone, not even the Germans in 1945 — they fought until the moment of surrender, and since we did not defeat them before the armistice, this is not a victory!
                    This is your absolute non-knowledge of history. There are third countries, such as France, Britain and others, which prevented Russia from taking over the straits.

                    And why should they stop them from owning an unnecessary strait into the impasse Black Sea? read the history of the matter - everyone who wanted to launch a squadron in the Sea of ​​Marmara in order to put pressure on Porto. Why own a gate?
                    Are Koreans aware of integration with Japan?

                    they, unlike you, know the history of their country, yeah
                    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Корея под властью Японии
                    1. -Pollux
                      -Pollux 6 July 2018 17: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Artem Popov
                      Well, we didn’t break Napoleon either, that means we didn’t win, huh? ;)

                      Yeah, his whole army was killed in Russia, how was it not defeated? Learn the story.
                      Quote: Artem Popov
                      Yes, we did not defeat anyone, not even the Germans in 1945 — they fought until the moment of surrender, and since we did not defeat them before the armistice, this is not a victory!

                      It is somewhere in the west where the Allies fought, the Germans were not defeated. The Red Army defeated parts of the Wehrmacht and took Berlin by storm, learn history.
                      Quote: Artem Popov
                      And why should they stop them from owning an unnecessary strait into the impasse Black Sea?

                      But the British were not aware that this sea was useless to anyone! It’s just your invention, learn the story.
                      Quote: Artem Popov
                      they, unlike you, know the history of their country, yeah

                      Yeah, Ukrainians also "know their story", they are now ancient Sumerians. Koreans with their "history" somewhere nearby.
      2. Seamaster
        Seamaster 21 June 2018 13: 33
        +4
        First, the article is about the fleet, not the ground forces, agriculture, or philately.
        Secondly, Russia in the land lost the Russo-Japanese War and the 1st World War too. And do not talk about the Bolsheviks.
        On October 25, 1917, Russia surrendered to Germany all of Poland, part of the Baltic states (Germans near Riga). The peacetime army was completely destroyed, including the guard and the officer corps.
        "Geben" and "Breslau" with impunity fired at the coastal cities of the Black Sea. The Baltic Fleet was afraid to stick its nose out of the Marquise puddle. German cruiser marching the Pearl cruiser in Penang.
        Patriotism - patriotism, but the facts must be taken into account. And then, as in the potting classes somewhere in 1940.
        1. -Pollux
          -Pollux 21 June 2018 21: 27
          +1
          Quote: Seamaster
          and 1st world too

          But nothing that the Russian Empire was in a coalition of winners? The defeat of RI is simply enemy propaganda. Having provoked a revolution, we were not allowed to use the results of the First World War, but Russia was not among the conquered.
          Quote: Seamaster
          Russia on the ground lost the Russo-Japanese War

          Only in the pages of Western historical literature did the war end in a draw, at least on land. If at all, you can call the land defense of the port, in no way connected with Russia except the sea.
          Quote: Seamaster
          "Geben" and "Breslau" with impunity fired at the coastal cities of the Black Sea. The Baltic Fleet was afraid to stick its nose out of the Marquise puddle. German cruiser marching the Pearl cruiser in Penang.

          This is your land defeat! In addition, this is a special case, which does not prove anything.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 22 June 2018 05: 07
            +1
            and where was the front line in 1917, while we were "preparing" for victory? to be in a coalition of winners (like Italy, for example) and to win is not the same thing. It would end up that the British cleaned our western frontiers from the Neva. Best case scenario
            1. -Pollux
              -Pollux 22 June 2018 13: 23
              +3
              Quote: Tlauicol
              It would end up that the British cleaned our western frontiers from the Neva.

              Yes you are a comedian.
              Let me tell you how the English became a "sea nation":
              At first, the British were dumped by the Spaniards into the sea, then the Swedes (Karl12), Napoleon, Hitler ..., in Europe, the British lost to EVERYTHING and all of them were "dumped into the sea. About whom the British said, then we will be a sea nation.
              Quote: Tlauicol
              and where was the front line in 1917

              And where was the front line in 1942? Why did the British not strip anything? ALL UK ground forces were scampering across Africa from ONE German division.
            2. Seamaster
              Seamaster 24 June 2018 09: 25
              +2
              This is at best.
              But in reality, even if the Entente won, including Russia (in the absence of a revolution in Russia), no one would give the straits to it.
              Moreover, later declassified documents showed that England and France had plans to divide the post-war Russia into spheres of influence.
              In any case, after the victory over Germany, the Baltic States, Poland, Finland, Ukraine, the Caucasus and Central Asia would depart from Russia.
              Plus, good concessions in Siberia in favor of the USA and Japan.
              The Russian government would agree to give all this voluntarily - well.
              No - it would be like with Bulgaria in the Second Balkan War of 1912.
          2. Seamaster
            Seamaster 24 June 2018 09: 11
            +3
            Why is Port Arthur a special case?
            This is the quintessence of a mess in the Russian army of that time.
            1. Port Arthur surrendered with the loss of the Russian side in 10% of the personnel. Even Americans in World War II were more resistant to losses.
            2. The blockade of Port Arthur is only a PART of the war. The Japanese beat Kuropatkin to Yala, and near Liaoyang, and under Mukden. And often - with the numerical advantage of the Russians.
            3. Well, and such a surrender of warships as in Tsushima was never in the history of the fleets of the world.
            4. "Draw a war in a draw" - this is a joke you have.?
            Who gave Port Arthur with the Far and the entire Liaodong Peninsula? Who gave half Sakhalin? Russia or Japan?
            5. I repeat - this is not the political occupation of the Red Army soldiers around 1940.
            1. -Pollux
              -Pollux 24 June 2018 10: 47
              0
              Quote: Seamaster
              Who gave Port Arthur with the Far and the entire Liaodong Peninsula? Who gave half Sakhalin? Russia or Japan?

              Not given as a result of hostilities. This is a consequence of the political weakness of the government and not the army. The army suffered losses but was not defeated.
              Quote: Seamaster
              2. The blockade of Port Arthur is only a PART of the war. The Japanese beat Kuropatkin to Yala, and near Liaoyang, and under Mukden. And often - with the numerical advantage of the Russians.

              These are your fantasies - how the Japanese smashed Russians, except for the Tsushima battle, the results of which are objective. Territorial concessions are concessions to the tsarist government and to the tsarist army.
            2. Artem Popov
              Artem Popov 4 July 2018 18: 30
              0
              about the small losses of l / s in Port Arthur - this is a myth. At Tsusima forums there were exact numbers, there were a lot of sick and wounded. Unfortunately, we have too many people read and heeded the point of view of Soviet authors (Novikov-Priboy, Stepanov, Pikul), not taking into account the fact that they wrote in the framework of rigid ideological settings, where it was necessary to expose the "ruling class" as traitors and mediocrity, and the "labor proletariat" - as underestimated true heroes who overcome treason with their feat.
              Yes, it was written beautifully, and, what is even more important, it was read at an age when impressions fit well, only the facts there are distorted, distorted, hidden / protruded to create the necessary impression of inevitability and the need for a class struggle. It is as if you did not read Soviet books, filtering 90% of ideological slag, 10% of the facts remain.
          3. Artem Popov
            Artem Popov 4 July 2018 18: 21
            0
            "the war ended in a draw, at least on land."
            Wow, this is where the Japanese needed to get, so as not to be a "draw" to Moscow? As a result of the war, a "draw" is also clearly visible - the loss of "rented" Chinese territories, smoked, southern Sakhalin.
            According to World War II, Germany gave even less to the USSR - "only" the Kaliningrad region. Apparently, there was also a draw.
            1. -Pollux
              -Pollux 4 July 2018 21: 04
              0
              Quote: Artem Popov
              Wow, this is where the Japanese needed to get, so as not to be a "draw" to Moscow?

              That would be convincing, but no. To win, it is necessary to defeat the enemy army - the Russian army did not suffer defeat, the enemy did not surrender.
              Quote: Artem Popov
              loss of "rented" Chinese territories, smoked, southern Sakhalin.

              Most of the “losses” are under political pressure; the Japanese did not conquer them.
              Quote: Artem Popov
              According to World War II, Germany gave even less to the USSR - "only" the Kaliningrad region. Apparently, there was also a draw.

              According to the results of World War II, Germany was huge: East Germany, Prussia, Pomerania, Silesia, Alsace, Lorraine - the list is not complete
              1. Artem Popov
                Artem Popov 5 July 2018 01: 03
                +1
                That would be convincing, but no. To win, it is necessary to defeat the enemy army - the Russian army did not suffer defeat, the enemy did not surrender.

                Lost every battle and retreated. Who needs an elusive joe?
                Most of the “losses” are under political pressure; the Japanese did not conquer them.

                Oh trouble with your story. Even as the Japanese conquered them, 10 years before that, but they were just under pressure and lost.
                According to the results of World War II, Germany was huge: East Germany, Prussia, Pomerania, Silesia, Alsace, Lorraine - the list is not complete

                But the USSR then it did not concern. As a result of the war, Japan also seized all of Korea and part of Manchuria, increasing its territory by more than 1,5 times, even without taking into account Sakhalin and smoking.
                1. -Pollux
                  -Pollux 5 July 2018 21: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Artem Popov
                  Lost every battle and retreated.

                  So is everyone? What did the Japanese fail to defeat the Russian army?
                  Quote: Artem Popov
                  Oh trouble with your story.

                  The trouble with history is for all of us, for history is an instrument of propaganda in the hands of politicians and there is not a drop of truth in it. The Japanese won the pages of the Western media, but failed to defeat Russia in a real war.
                  Quote: Artem Popov
                  But the USSR then it did not concern.

                  Western Belarus returned to the Soviet Union; German territories were cut in exchange for the Poles.
                  Quote: Artem Popov
                  increasing its territory by more than 1,5 times

                  I want to clarify 1.5 times regarding the territory of the Japanese or Russian empire, otherwise completely different numbers are obtained? You are still in parrots measure the territorial acquisition of the parties.
                  1. Artem Popov
                    Artem Popov 6 July 2018 11: 06
                    0
                    So is everyone? What did the Japanese fail to defeat the Russian army?

                    Complete physical destruction chtoli? So for a couple of thousand years this is not a criterion for victory.
                    The trouble with history is for all of us, for history is an instrument of propaganda in the hands of politicians and there is not a drop of truth in it. The Japanese won the pages of the Western media, but failed to defeat Russia in a real war.
                    No, everything has already been established in the scientific community for a long time, it’s you, conspiracy theorists-patriots, 28 pancyclists stop the tank division
                    Western Belarus returned to the Soviet Union; German territories were cut in exchange for the Poles.
                    She returned there by the end of September 1939, and besides, she was Polish.
                    I want to clarify 1.5 times regarding the territory of the Japanese or Russian empire, otherwise completely different numbers are obtained? You are still in parrots measure the territorial acquisition of the parties.
                    Do you not know the grammar rules of the Russian language? What is the face value in comparisons? The area of ​​Korea is 200+ thousand sq. Km, the area of ​​Japan at that time, with a formosa, is slightly less than 400 thousand sq. Km.
                    1. -Pollux
                      -Pollux 6 July 2018 17: 27
                      0
                      Quote: Artem Popov
                      Complete physical destruction chtoli? So for a couple of thousand years this is not a criterion for victory.

                      At least surrender. There are clear signs of victory, although not mandatory, for example: the complete destruction of enemy units, the surrender of enemy troops, significant territorial losses (unless territories were returned in subsequent wars), the seizure of the capital (not all nations stop resistance after the loss of the capital)
                      Quote: Artem Popov
                      Do you not know the grammar rules of the Russian language? What is the face value in comparisons? The area of ​​Korea is 200+ thousand sq. Km, the area of ​​Japan at that time, with a formosa, is slightly less than 400 thousand sq. Km.

                      This is not a question of grammar; it is a question of the illiterate use of non-core units of measurement on your part. For some reason, you began to measure the area in "times" and not in square kilometers, this gives the ephemeral weight to your words
  19. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 21 June 2018 12: 29
    +5
    It is difficult to disagree with O. Kaptsov! It is a shame for the Fatherland that it has been ruled by thieves and outright traitors to the interests of the Motherland for so many years! Gallows cry for them not the first year! But so far there is no Stalin on their heads, but the people are still silent!
  20. -Pollux
    -Pollux 21 June 2018 12: 30
    +5
    "So that the gun fired near Narva, it must be charged in Moscow"
    Peter the First.

    The author apparently does not know that logistics is the basis of any war.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 21 June 2018 13: 14
      +4
      Logistics without warships is either mining, or, as the subject of a sale or provision of commodity companies that do not want to invest in this business, and here they strive to ride on the hump of the people. It’s good to know who this power is and who are the owners of these companies (it seems that some people are flashing there). Well, how not to take care of yourself?
      A tender soul cannot stand such a thing - to build military ones.
    2. Seamaster
      Seamaster 24 June 2018 09: 31
      +1
      For the fleet, there are also equipped bases, shipyards and training centers for personnel.
      What is the use of building 3 nuclear-powered cruisers if there were no equipped moorings for them in Severomorsk?
      So they stood constantly in the raid, spending precious motor resources of reactors, diesel generators, pumps, etc. And the crews were forced to constantly be on board.
  21. woland05
    woland05 21 June 2018 12: 42
    +4
    Great article, thanks to the author!
  22. donavi49
    donavi49 21 June 2018 12: 50
    +3
    hydrographic ships ave. 19910


    By the way, they scold them a lot. The ship itself is raw. Plus a lot of stocks on fundamental architectural decisions. For PCB - it was the first hydrograph and they collected a rake to the maximum sad .
  23. Oleg Tolstoy
    Oleg Tolstoy 21 June 2018 13: 14
    +2
    Quote: Royalist
    Quote: Tlauicol
    only yesterday he called one of the ships "superstructure-bearer", and today Oleg issued an article on "cabin carriers"

    And next time about the "bellies"? 2/3 of admirals and generals always and everywhere are distinguished by a "hippo waist". Why is that?


    Analogs of female hormones in food + beer + lack of personal culture and mandatory standards for physical training for senior officers .. Nothing new. In the USSR, every second political officer was with extra fascia at the waist :-)
  24. Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 June 2018 13: 25
    +3
    From the fact that we express our "fi", warships in the fleet will appear? It seems to me that we all were simply sold for a small money, and the whole army is needed to protect the resources and everything acquired by our elite by overwork. what
  25. Oleg Tolstoy
    Oleg Tolstoy 21 June 2018 13: 49
    0
    Quote: Seamaster
    At the beginning of the century, the Queen of England had one small state yacht.
    Nikolai the 2nd has 6. Some are the size of a cruiser.
    England did not lose a single war at sea at the beginning of the 20th century, and Russia drew a war at sea both in the Russo-Japanese War and in the 1st World War (both in the Baltic and the Black Sea. Even in Penang, they managed to get unrequited )
    I am not against tugboats and other technical fleet, with which in Soviet times there were problems.
    But outboard boats are something wrong.


    I’m afraid that the successful fleet of the modern war is not a bit what our (your) Defense Ministry orders.

    Therefore, the less self-built they build, the better for the cause of final Victory!
  26. Nemchinov Vl
    Nemchinov Vl 21 June 2018 13: 58
    +2
    Quote: RuslanD36
    In the area of ​​strategic submarine missile carriers, the delivery of 5 new ships is planned. The fleet will also receive 6 multi-purpose submarines and 2 special submarines with a nuclear power plant. 3 diesel-electric submarines will be completed and delivered. In total, for the three years under consideration, the fleet will be handed over 16 submarines of all classes.
    Surface ship connections will receive the 3 frigate, the 4 corvette, and also the 13 small rocket ships. 4 patrol ships, 2 large landing craft and 3 base minesweeper will be obtained. Scheduled completion and transfer of 6 boats of several types. Another 3 frigate is still in question: they will be completed, but may not be in time for the 2020 year. Thus, the surface fleet for the surveyed period will receive at least 35 ships and boats.
    .


    it would be nice ... but oh ..., with today's deadlines for building warships and transferring them to the fleet. And I admit that I, too (like the author of the article), besides the construction of the auxiliary fleet, would be glad to hear about the laying of a series of commercials of 5-7 warships, say, modernized pr. 11560 (with 24 Caliber / Onyx cells and Fort-M air defense systems) ", or something like that, with Radar" Barrier ")
  27. Nemchinov Vl
    Nemchinov Vl 21 June 2018 14: 21
    +6
    and for the gradual replacement of the aging MPK 1124-M (and 1331) and TFR 1135 (surviving their age), it would seem more logical for me to build 11661-K (type "Dagestan") for my Navy, and not just for Vietnam or Sri Lanka build them ...
  28. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 21 June 2018 14: 40
    +5
    It's simple: no money.
    But in order not to accuse the authorities that they are not entering the Navy
    new ships, you have to allocate a little money for kids
    and all sorts of auxiliary ships
  29. kompana57
    kompana57 21 June 2018 15: 31
    +2
    Everyone knows that a budget ruble has an efficiency of about 50 kopecks, and there should be a ruble of ten kopecks. This is our government. Putin needs to declare not full service compliance.
  30. colonel manuch
    colonel manuch 21 June 2018 18: 48
    +6
    While the "effective managers" will steer nothing good will come of, is it still not clear? Now we really need ships of the coastal zone, the so-called "mosquito fleet" (mine sweepers, MRK, RK, EW ships, etc.), but unfortunately we switched to building ships (small, auxiliary) to please the oil and gas complex - it’s good at least ice class, Shipyard capacities are not enough (“effective managers” tried!) Far Eastern orders for the construction of (new) shipyards and modernization of “old” ones are not included in the plans of the “nouveau riches”, everyone wants to participate in the cutting of the “state pie”, i.e. persons close to the "emperor" the interests of RUSSIA - to nothing! And I want to see RUSSIA GREAT sea power!
  31. Severok
    Severok 21 June 2018 19: 29
    +4
    I dare to suggest that tug squadrons are being built for owners of offshore oil and gas fields. In the process of uncontrolled privatization, they will be stupidly handed over to these livestock for nothing to the detriment of the fleet.
  32. exo
    exo 21 June 2018 21: 41
    +2
    The article is very true. To say that the development of the fleet is strange is to say nothing. The fleet is almost not developing. Only the auxiliary fleet is being built. And who will he "help"?
  33. Tests
    Tests 21 June 2018 22: 15
    +2
    Dear author! The asterisk of project 20180 is currently considered a towing rescue ship. It was checked by the White Sea, and the Barents, and the Atlantic. Deep-sea vehicles from her aboard went to a depth of 6 meters. She earned quite a lot on the testing of new boats. Without it, Sevmash and TsS Zvyozdochka OJSC would not be easy. I know several people who tested Zvyozdochka together with Zvyozdochka workers; their comments were taken into account during the construction of the second ship, Akademik Kovalev. How he pulls the service, the Pacific must be asked ... And the third academician, Aleksandrov, even looks very different from the first two ships ... Until recently, the Zvyozdochka fleet and Sevmash could not be watched without tears. It’s good that new tugs came from St. Petersburg. Given the wind, narrow fairway, ice, ebbs and flows and the course of the Northern Dvina in Severodvinsk without 000-2 tugs in the sea, there is no way to put out an order. This is the inhabitants of Arkhangelsk can get to the island territories of Arkhangelsk in the Kommunar and Balkhash in the summer, and in the winter on tugs with open wind decks and winds, and boats that are nuclear, diesel, and ships, and even the same Vikramaditya and “Admiral Nakhimov” - the orders are tender, they can’t run aground and they shouldn’t beat on ice until the receiving buoy passes. Therefore, we say thank you to everyone who designed, built and serves on the new vessels of the auxiliary fleet of the Russian Navy.
    And the fact that the “Zvezdochka” and “Academicians” provide weapons, including a helicopter, and container rocket, and anti-aircraft, and mine, this, in my opinion, is clear to everyone.
    1. sabotage
      sabotage 21 June 2018 23: 41
      +1
      Quote: Tests
      And the fact that the “Zvezdochka” and “Academicians” provide weapons, including a helicopter, and container rocket, and anti-aircraft, and mine, this, in my opinion, is clear to everyone.
      Reply

      Yeah. And the helicopter is in stock. And a set of weapons in the same place. And the weapon control system, too, and the crew trained in a boarding house nearby trains.

      The fact that the tug needs to withdraw ships and boats from Severodvinsk is a problem for Sevmash, and not for the Navy. It seems not to work for free. It was possible to decide somehow independently.
  34. Seaflame
    Seaflame 22 June 2018 00: 30
    +1
    Let me object to some of the thoughts of the author. For example: "Despite the urgent need for warships, for some reason, priority is given to auxiliary units." Yes, not priority is given, but a lot of difficulties have arisen with the commissioning of new warships. And the matter is not only in finances, let us recall the problems of Gorshkov and partly the recent problems of Gren. It is clear that such problems during the construction of tugboats, hydrographs and transport workers can not arise, not the level of technological complexity. Until now, the fleet has not fully eliminated the shortage of rescue vessels capable of carrying out deep-sea operations (we no longer remember the Kursk tragedy ...). That there really is a problem with replenishing the composition of warships and there is no big problem here, the situation is not at all joyful.
  35. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 22 June 2018 08: 55
    0
    I wonder what other Navy have such communication boats? Here really "have no analogues in the world."
  36. core
    core 22 June 2018 14: 22
    0
    20-seat banquet room, apparently there’s an operational meeting there that can’t be held, the author, who says that hurts. in the army this mess is everywhere. the so-called "generals' halls".
    1. core
      core 22 June 2018 14: 39
      +1
      hysterical article, the conclusions are complete slag.
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  38. Vlvl
    Vlvl 23 June 2018 14: 19
    +1
    So the situation is similar with civilian projects. Someone "interested" is pushing a project that is known to no one. The cream is removed, and then, the fate of commissioning and further use becomes a problem and a headache to whom it was imposed. Until the personal responsibility of those who shout the most loudly about necessity, responsibility up to the payback of the project, responsibility up to confiscation of property and criminal liability is introduced, nothing will change.
  39. Volos
    Volos 24 June 2018 14: 11
    0
    So it turns out the state arms program does not exist ???
    If the shipyards are building what they want and are “slaughtered" on warships ......

    It is unclear why they are spending billions on the construction of a new Navy base in Kaspiysk (Dagestan).
    The entire CF is based in Astrakhan and there is enough space for two more such flotillas, the officers have housing there, families who have work, study, kindergartens and schools.
    The reconstruction of the base in Astrakhan will be much cheaper than the construction of a new base in Kaspiysk, where by and large there is nothing.
    For funds allocated by the budget of the Moscow Region, it is necessary to build new ships and replenish arsenals, the whole of the CF basically consists of 5 ships (one patrolman of Dagestan, three MRS Buyan-M and artillery Buyan), the rest is old stuff of the 70s.
    Now the construction of a new base will begin, as usual with multi-billion dollar thefts for which as a result no one will answer ......
    1. Artem Popov
      Artem Popov 5 July 2018 00: 01
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      1. The north of the Caspian Sea and the entire delta freezes.
      2. In the delta, complex, changing fairways, with seasonal exploitation features.
      3. The operational zone of the fleet is the south of the Caspian Sea, too far away.
  40. seacap
    seacap 25 June 2018 16: 13
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    The result is when the loot ball rules in the country, and the interests of the state, i.e. if it concerns Russian interests no one, it harms the interests of the metropolis of the true owner of the dough and the resources of the semi-colony and the corrupt so-called ruling elite, appointed to provide service to the interests of the owner.
  41. tihi-o
    tihi-o 25 June 2018 19: 01
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    But no one thought that these ships would be equipped with carriers of the Caliber family of missiles, maybe in such a strategy (the construction of a large number of auxiliary and small combat) is the asymmetric answer ...? After all, the "calibers", as they said, can even be installed on fishing vessels.
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    2. niksfromru
      niksfromru 29 June 2018 23: 39
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      You can install anything. Shoot does not work. It is unlikely that tugboats and yachts provide for target designation and missile control systems. Otherwise, these boats would cost as a full-fledged frigate.
    3. Artem Popov
      Artem Popov 5 July 2018 00: 02
      0
      without training it is all useless.
      So the caliber can be shoved onto any trawler - will this make it a warship?
    4. yehat
      yehat 20 July 2018 11: 11
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      What is the use of missiles without appropriate monitoring and guidance systems?
      or is the construction of jihad-rocket carriers put on stream?
  42. maks1803
    maks1803 26 June 2018 10: 50
    0
    Quote: Royalist
    An ambiguous impression of the pack: on the one hand, everything is so, and on the other hand, the Navy cannot exist without an auxiliary fleet. The same squadron in the Mediterranean needs to be replenished with food and fuel. A “communications ship” - spy ships are needed!
    And what a lot of sloppiness, and where there is sloppiness and a "shaher maher" this is true. But the wild sloppiness was before the war itself! The Kremlin has this, on the website, something flickered.

    The only objective comment!
  43. GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 26 June 2018 12: 32
    +1
    Well, what is reality. The first part of the article echoes a recent study by a Sberbank analyst. The bottom line is that the construction of gas pipelines to China and Turkey is unprofitable, but only needed to load the companies of Timchenko and Rottenberg. And here so, the navy receives ships for the Arctic latitudes to protect the assets of friends of the popularly elected.
  44. Rustam
    Rustam 3 July 2018 15: 31
    +1
    Build warships? which ones?

    - imperfections like FREGAT 22350 Admiral Gorshkov? what a good saw cut project - so when will it be completed, eh?
    - ships 11356? so that we have mass-produced products, instead of Ukrainian (GP NPKG "Zorya" - "Mashproekt") I have not heard this, so there are two buildings unfinished at Yantar

    ps- what else? and corvetics 20380 are known, so not everything is okay with them either ...

    Author so what do you suggest then? Auxiliary fleet, cut and throw everything to the building, really what? )
    1. yehat
      yehat 20 July 2018 11: 13
      0
      missile galleys with rowers from the solar republics)))
  45. Santor
    Santor 5 July 2018 18: 08
    +1
    Strange some kind of author ... Sprinkles with terminology ... In general, behaves like a real Russian intellectual.

    But at the specialized naval forum, people who have served for decades in the Navy meet these new ships approvingly, and separate topics have been created to discuss EVERYONE.

    I won’t give a link, otherwise the administration will suddenly consider it to be an advertisement for a third-party object. Those who are interested - in PM.

    The author complains about the allegedly large number of tugboats, in my opinion not understanding that the presence of a rescue tugboat as part of any detachment that went on a long voyage is MANDATORY. Like a tanker and supply vessel.

    Big ships they are beautiful ... The only question is their need at the moment.
    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 7 July 2018 19: 40
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      Quote: Santor
      Strange some kind of author ... Sprinkles with terminology ... In general, behaves like a real Russian intellectual. ...

      .....

      The author complains about the allegedly large number of tugboats, in my opinion not understanding that the presence of a rescue tugboat as part of any detachment that went on a long voyage is MANDATORY. Like a tanker and supply vessel.

      Big ships they are beautiful ... The only question is their need at the moment.
      1. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 7 July 2018 20: 14
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        Please tell Victor, and you really disagree with the author, in that part of the fact that the absence of bookmarks (and I would like to build quickly and quickly, and timely transfer to the fleet, as in the USSR) warships of the first and second rank would please us all much more than what has been done before ???.
        For example, I can’t wait for the news that the country has finally begun to build new EMs for its Navy (be it ships of the modernized pr. 11560 (with 24 Caliber / Onyx and Fort M air defense systems, or something like that , with the Radar "Zaslon" seeing and giving TsU 360 degrees.), Which could become the basis of hope for the revival of the "adult ocean fleet." Perhaps the same on the basis of pr.1134 BF (type "Azov") which had the ability to provide zonal air defense / ABM, thanks to the presence of the Fort (SAM) or Fal (Reef according to other sources), the performance characteristics of the missiles of which, in my opinion, strike in range oh target and its speed, so it’s not blocked by anything),
        as well as a bookmark for his Navy “Cheetahs” (pr. 11661-K type “Dagestan”), to replace the aging MPK, and SKR-s 1135, which in my opinion (IMHO) are much more balanced than pr. 20380.
        In addition, when they started building ships of pr. 20380 (and later 20385, which in my opinion is more adequately balanced according to the criteria - price / quality / combat capabilities, although more expensive than the first, and then pr.20386, which is just for me it’s generally not adequate for the same listed criteria, the only plus of the last of the projects is the ability to test the Barrier’s radar operation) I couldn’t understand why, according to the Navy’s orders, it was these ships that were built and not the ships pr 12441 (under the code "Thunder"), to replace the fleet of aging SKR pr. 1135 ??
        In addition, constant talk about what it is (building large (1-2 ranks) ships is fabulously expensive, and expensive for the Navy, and at the same time continuing to exaggerate the fact that here we are going to lay the Leader type of nuclear power with nuclear power and the number of military missiles under 80 ??? ... Forgive me that (especially considering the speed of building and transferring large ships to the fleet at present) ??? Is this some kind of abstract view of things? This is a lack of understanding that creating such a ship (pr. 23560 - code "Leader") at its cost will block 2,5-4 built (n . The same facilities modernized EM Ave 11560) though defeated enemy (God forbid, of course, but the global conflict, from this one can not be insured) in his squadron - a nuclear explosion inside his squadron !!?!?!
        1. yehat
          yehat 20 July 2018 11: 22
          0
          I personally understand the lack of rush with the serial laying of new ships - the state of the defense industry is such that their sane staffing, which still does not become obsolete by the time of launching, is a big question.
          But I don’t understand another thing - there are no movements in terms of improving the state of production and creating new developments, especially with regard to anti-aircraft naval systems, OMS, electronic filling, engines, even the production of banal bearings and elements of housing structures and a number of other issues, so that the opportunity arises, like in China, bake pies 1-2 grades.
    2. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 7 July 2018 20: 28
      0
      For example, to upgrade the fleet of NK BMZ TOF, it is preferable to order for the Amur Shipyard to build units of 10-12 Karakurt ships of Project 22800 (which in fact do not have PLO capabilities) or 7-11 ships of Project Dagestan type 11661-K (with those the same 8 VPU under "Caliber / Onyx", but already with TA cal. 533) ???
  46. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 13 July 2018 13: 57
    0
    There is no master, they all command in the fleet, up to the prosperity. No fleet analysts needed
  47. feldscher
    feldscher 20 July 2018 10: 37
    0


    cool boat
    this is beaver
  48. yehat
    yehat 20 July 2018 11: 09
    0
    the article has a lot of emotions and few numbers and analysis
    maybe all new auxiliary ships really save some money?
    In any case, the fact of the construction itself is a good thing, especially if it annoys our suppliers
    expand production volumes. But as usual - a radar for navigation from Japan, a diesel from Germany, wires from China, etc.
    1. iouris
      iouris 17 August 2018 21: 30
      0
      Quote: yehat
      the article has a lot of emotions and few numbers and analysis

      Yes, there are no figures, for example, about the volume of construction of yachts by "oligarchs", their total displacement and cost. Comparison of numbers could broaden the readers' horizons (at least).
  49. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 18 August 2018 13: 03
    -1
    Staging ... buoys

    I want a buoy! And to stand ... like a real buoy, and not like today.
  50. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 18 August 2018 13: 08
    -1
    Quote: Feldscher
    cool boat

    That's right! You open, for example, your skerries ... and from there such a bobbin falls out with two buoys! The beauty! The girls will be happy.