Long range for big money. American howitzer M777ER

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In the middle of the two thousand years, the newest towed howitzer M777 entered into service with the US Army. Soon, two modernization projects were implemented. weaponsaimed at improving the basic technical and operational characteristics. Recently, the American industry is engaged in a new project to upgrade existing weapons. Until the end of this decade, it is planned to transfer to the customer the first serial howitzers of the new model M777ER.

One of the main characteristics of artillery guns - the range of fire. Due to its enhancement, the basic combat qualities of the howitzers can be improved, both firepower and combat survivability. It is an increase in the firing range that is the main goal of the current US ERCA program (Extended Range Cannon Artillery - “Extended Range Gun”), within which the advanced gun M777ER (Extended Range) is created. According to the results of this program, a new modification of the M777 howitzer, which has a number of characteristic differences and enhanced characteristics, should go into service.



Project

The proposal to create a new version of the M777 howitzer appeared at the beginning of the current decade, and the real development work started in the framework of the 2015 of the fiscal year. The creation of a new artillery system was assigned to BAE Systems, which had previously developed a base howitzer, as well as the Picatinny arsenal, which is part of the Military Development Center (ARDEC). Together, the two organizations were to conduct the necessary research, find ways to modernize the gun and implement such proposals.

Long range for big money. American howitzer M777ER
The first published image of howitzers M777ER


In accordance with the 2015 plans of the year, by the middle of the next fiscal year, the project developers were to form the main provisions of the new project. By the middle of 2018, it was planned to complete all the necessary design work, and in the next year it was necessary to build prototypes. For the second quarter of the 2019 of the fiscal year, the Pentagon planned the start of mastering production and operation. The adoption of M777ER guns was attributed to the middle of the 2020 year.

Modern towed and artillery systems caliber 155 mm capable of attacking targets at ranges of order 30 km. Research on the ERCA program has shown that there is a theoretical possibility of more than doubling this parameter - to 70 km. Such a task can be solved at the expense of a longer barrel, better accelerating the projectile, as well as with the help of active-reactive shots. It was confirmed that modern technologies allow the creation of a weapon with the desired parameters.

According to the established schedule, the first few years were devoted to research and design, and prototypes were to appear only in 2018 year. However, Picatinny’s arsenal and BAE Systems were able to accelerate work in a noticeable way, and thanks to this, the first tests began in the 2016 year. At the same time general information about the project, the technical features of the modernization of the gun and its intended results were published.

The design and its capabilities

The M777ER howitzer was taken as a basis for the M777A2 serial product, equipped with special control systems. In the basic version, it has digital tools for various purposes, and also is equipped with an EPIAFS device for introducing commands into programmable projectile fuses. Apparently, the customer and the designers considered that the combination of the existing electronics and the promising tool would provide the highest possible combat and operational characteristics.

The basis of the M777ER project is the instrument itself, which received the working designation XM907. In general, it looks like the aggregates of the existing M777A2 system, but it has a number of serious differences. First of all, for the updated howitzers created an elongated barrel. The existing unit with a length of about 5 m (39 gauges) was supplemented with a section of length 1,8 m, with the result that the full length of the barrel increased to 55 gauges. Increasing the length of the barrel led to an increase in the number of loads on the main devices of the gun, which had to be re-created.


The gun M777A2 at the time of the shot


The howitzer bolt still has a piston design, but it has been reworked in accordance with the increased requirements. Also needed a new muzzle brake. The new device has a pair of transverse partitions, interacting with the powder gases. The muzzle brake for the M777ER differs markedly from the basic M777A2; It has a different shape and size.

The XM907 cannon on the towed carriage is equipped with a discharging mechanism that facilitates preparation for the shot. In addition, the project involves the use of special shops for the rapid production of several shots in a row with minimum intervals. Each such store, having the appropriate dimensions, holds six shots of separate loading.

According to recent reports, the ERCA program provides for the use of modernized fire control systems. The updated equipment is capable of calculating data for firing at a distance from 30 to 70 km, and is also compatible with modern and promising shells. From the serial M777A2 to the new M777ER, the EPIAFS goes to work with programmable fuses. At the same time, it is possible to use a standard panoramic sight. It is expected that from the point of view of the gunner’s work, the upgraded howitzer will hardly differ from the existing ones.

According to known data, the XM907 cannon did not require a new mast and is installed on an existing product. The howl howl M777 is mainly assembled from titanium and aluminum parts, due to which it has a minimum weight with sufficient strength indicators. It is due to the lightweight gun carriage howitzer new American family are distinguished by a high ratio of firepower and weight.

The lower machine of the mast has a central support platform, with which four sliding beds are articulated. The rear beds are equipped with folding coulters. The front provides for the installation of a pair of wheels for transportation in tow. The upper machine, capable of rotating on the lower one around the vertical axis, is equipped with vertical guidance, wheel chocks and a cradle for the barrel. For manual control, both manual and mechanical drives are provided. The design of the mast provides a circular alignment horizontally from vertical to zero + 71 °.


M777ER Prototype under test


The M777 howitzers of the first modifications in the stowed position have a length of 9,5 m, in a combat one - around 10,7 m. In the new M777ER, these parameters are significantly larger due to the trunk extended by 1,8 m. The mass of existing systems is 4,2 t, while the new is heavier by about 1000 pounds (450 kg). Despite the increase in weight and size, it is expected that the upgraded weapon will not be less comfortable. Possible deterioration of running gear or other characteristics can be considered an acceptable price for a sharp increase in combat qualities.

It is alleged that the upgraded howitzer will retain full compatibility with all 155-mm separate-loading shots used by the US Army. It is expected that a longer barrel will allow to send conventional projectiles at a distance of at least 25-30 km - further than the serial M777 with a barrel length 39 caliber. Active-reactive and guided projectiles of existing models will also be able to show improved range characteristics. However, with their help you will not be able to get the desired range in 70 km.

In the framework of the ERCA program, a promising controlled active-rocket projectile XM1113 is being developed along with a howitzer. This product will be flown using the enhanced XM654 propellant. The new projectile should be equipped with a homing system based on satellite navigation, which will allow it to effectively destroy stationary objects with previously known coordinates.

It is the right combination of the barrel length of the XM907 product, a powerful charge and a projectile with an increased supply of solid fuel, which is expected to significantly increase the range of the projectile. According to current calculations, the M777ER howitzer with an XM1113 / XM654 shot can attack targets at distances up to 65-70 km.

Test process

At the end of March, 2016, the US Army announced the start of testing a prototype model of a promising howitzer. Arsenal Picatinny and the company BAE Systems have produced a full-size model of the gun, corresponding to the main provisions of the project. On the serial carriage from M777A2 imposed mock stem group, made in accordance with the project under development. The resulting artillery system, of course, could not be used in fire tests. However, she demonstrated the appearance of M777ER, and also had to take part in some checks.


View from a different angle


In the spring of 2016, specialists from several organizations conducted field tests, the purpose of which was to determine the driving characteristics of a promising howitzer. According to known data, an increase in the length and mass of the gun did not have a significant impact on the permeability and strength of the gun carriage. The system assembly met the requirements, and this allowed to proceed to the next stages of the project.

In February 2017, the US military published information about the new phase of inspections. By this time, BAE Systems had produced the first full-scale prototype of the M777ER howitzer, fully compliant with the project. A gun with a barrel length 55 caliber and single-chamber muzzle brake was sent to the landfill, where they performed several dozen shots and evaluated the results.

As part of these tests, existing 155-mm shells with variable charges like Modular Artillery Charge System (MACS) were used. Testers performed 70 shots with full control over performance and performance of various systems. The fire was carried out using different propellant charges and with different angles of elevation. The official report of the Pentagon did not give the exact values ​​of the characteristics obtained, but indicated that a longer barrel made it possible to obtain a range increase of several kilometers. Thus, the main innovation of the ERCA project confirmed its potential.

According to the test results, the development organizations had to make some changes to the existing project, which made it possible to improve the instrument as a whole and its individual aggregates. It was reported that in July, the experienced howitzer M777ER had to re-enter the test site for the next test phase. The third test shooting was planned for November. This time it was planned to attract artillerymen from the ground forces and the Marine Corps, who will have to operate serial weapons in the future.


In preparation for the shot


According to the latest information, in the 2018-19 years, tests of new shots should begin, including the XM1113 active-missile guided missiles. Successful completion of this stage of the ERCA program will allow to begin the preparation of the mass production of the newest weapons with unique characteristics. In accordance with the current plans, at the very beginning of the next decade, the army and the ILC will receive the first serial howitzers of the M777ER with shells of new types. After that, mass production of new products and modernization of existing M777A2 on a new project will begin.

Advantages and disadvantages

With the successful completion of all the work being carried out by the American industry at the present time, the artillery units of the United States will be able to receive new weapons with uniquely high characteristics. It is argued that the complex in the form of a M777ER gun and a guided projectile of a new type with an enhanced propelling charge will allow the firing range to be almost doubled in comparison with the current weaponry. Located in a closed position, gunners will be able to attack targets in 70 km from themselves.

It is easy to guess what consequences of a tactical nature the appearance of such artillery systems may have. In their firing range, the new model howitzers will surpass not only all the barrel systems of their caliber, but also many multiple launch rocket systems. First of all, this expands the area of ​​responsibility of the gunners. In addition, it becomes possible to strike at great depths by towed artillery, without involving long-range MLRS or aviation. The advantages of this approach are obvious.

Also, a large firing range can dramatically reduce the risks of being hit by a retaliatory strike. To destroy the battery, the enemy will have to use not 155-mm artillery or MLRS with similar indicators, but more serious weapons or even to attract aviation. This will lead to a slight increase in the time to organize a retaliatory strike, and in certain circumstances will allow it to stay longer in position, firing at the target.

In general, the program Extended Range Cannon Artillery and its main elements in the form of a M777ER howitzer and XM1113 projectile look extremely interesting. The proposed concept can seriously affect the characteristics and potential of the towed howitzer artillery, as well as to a certain extent change the tactics of the use of guns. Together with serial howitzers and projectiles for them, the US Army will receive new opportunities.


Working moments test


However, you should not overestimate the new American project and forget about its shortcomings. The main problem of the ERCA program, as often happens, is excessive cost. In 2015-17, only about 5 million dollars were spent on the development of only one gun. According to published documents, in 2018-19, the annual spending on the program will increase and increase several times. The launch of mass production will require new funding and will clearly affect the total cost of the project.

According to known data, howitzers M777A2 were purchased by the Pentagon at 4,6 million dollars apiece. Prospective M777ER will not be cheaper, although their cost has not yet been clarified. Thus, the total cost of the development work planned for the order of serial guns and projectiles for them must reach a very high level. As a result, the program will have opponents, and this may be followed by a reduction in funding with a decrease in plans.

Apparently, the ERCA project was not without technical problems, but its developers are not in a hurry to announce their list. Probably, a longer and heavier barrel makes it difficult to haul guns, especially in rough terrain, and its manufacture is associated with technological problems. Also it is worth expecting that the increased return from the enhanced charge XM654 has a bad effect on the survivability of the existing lightweight carriage.

It seems that the American industry still managed to create a towed howitzer, combining an acceptable caliber and the highest firing characteristics. However, the ERCA / M777ER project is still not brought to the stage of mass production, and therefore its results are still unknown. The available data on the new howitzer does not allow making particularly pessimistic estimates, but also does not give cause for excessive optimism. However, everything suggests that the US Army can really get a highly efficient weapon with a long range. But a howitzer and shells for it will be able to make a noticeable hole in the budget.

On the materials of the sites:
http://army.mil/
https://armyrecognition.com/
https://defense-update.com/
http://globalsecurity.org/
http://deagel.com/
http://i2insights.com/
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  1. +1
    19 June 2018 05: 31
    Judging by the photo ... The accuracy of the system is not high ... Another Pentagon's prodigy ...
    1. AUL
      +6
      19 June 2018 06: 41
      I think that in missile systems accuracy will be higher, and the price is lower, and combat survivability, due to mobility, is higher.
      1. +1
        19 June 2018 10: 53
        Quote from AUL
        I think that in missile systems accuracy will be higher, and the price is lower, and combat survivability, due to mobility, is higher.

        A gun shot (excluding active-reactive) is much cheaper than a rocket. The resource of the barrel allows you to make 1000 shots x on the cost of the rocket = in the end - cheaper
        1. +5
          19 June 2018 11: 24
          Oh, I don’t think this barrel will shoot 1000 times .....! request
        2. 0
          19 June 2018 11: 32
          But the rocket’s efficiency is higher than the projectile winkAnd the towed artillery is too vulnerable and clumsy, but they could not cram this "fool" on the chassis of the self-propelled guns ...
        3. 0
          23 June 2018 05: 02
          I think that with such characteristics, the survivability of the trunk should be low. Somehow miracles do not happen.
      2. 0
        19 June 2018 11: 55
        All of the above arguments are true, but somehow not logical. Everything falls into place after the price of the product appears. Here everything is clear. It is not necessary “better,” it is necessary “as expensive as possible.” Everything converges in this paradigm.
      3. +2
        19 June 2018 13: 20
        This epic with an increase in the range of fire from guns and ours touched. They forced us to lengthen the barrel on our MSTA-s. I just don’t know if it was created under the old ammunition, or have they also switched to new ones?
        In my opinion, everything was logical before: guns (howitzers, mortars) worked at a distance of 30 kilometers, if you need to cover an area - Grad installations, a point target is a tactical missile.
        Now they are trying to solve howitzer tasks that would be more suitable for a tactical missile. Moreover, in order to have acceptable accuracy at such a distance, they create a shell that costs almost like the same rocket. And considering that elongated trunks are not worth a penny at all, but are mainly used for firing at much shorter distances, with which the old guns showed themselves quite normally, this trend is not understood at all.
        The above does not apply, except, to the "Coalition-SV":
        that each of its fired shell tracks its locator and immediately adjusts the next shot according to the result. In general, at a range where her locator reaches, she can accurately cover the target with a second shell.
  2. +2
    19 June 2018 07: 07
    In the photo "In preparation for the shot" above the barrel box and on it a padlock. Is this probably something that the Negroes wouldn’t steal and not demolish?
    1. MPN
      +6
      19 June 2018 19: 45
      And the insulating tape on the plaits ... though it seems to be black ... blue is still more reliable .. wink
  3. +1
    19 June 2018 07: 32
    Judging by the carriage - a rather complicated design. As she will be with reliability in the field, outside the landfill.
    And the photo in the middle of the article shows that the old muzzle brake is used, one-section, while at the beginning there is a photo with a new two-section brake. Who to believe?
    1. 0
      19 June 2018 12: 11
      Yes, it won’t be in any way, it’s necessary to retract and this is the main thing due to the “unprecedented” range. With all responsibility, I declare to you that all the tasty projects are made with pre-laid shortcomings and are finished "later." At times increasing the cost. Believe it? Example .. One software company in a Canadian city signed a contract with the government of RA "improving the optimization of public transport, etc." The contract involved 9 months of work and a cost of about 800 thousand dollars. Hmm .... 5 years have passed !!!!!!! The amount of the contract has grown to 17 million and the software is not yet ready. Moreover, they write it already in India and God knows where but "secretly." A friend works there Sasha .. therefore I am in the know. THE SAME BUSINESS ALGORITHM EVERYWHERE IN NORTH AMERICA AND EVERYTHING ..!
      1. +1
        19 June 2018 14: 32
        The main thing is the process. Not invented by us. Is the process going? Is coming. And when the result is there - it’s not so important anymore, everyone has already forgotten who ordered this work wink .
  4. +9
    19 June 2018 07: 51
    God, what nonsense in the comments ...

    If constructively, in a number of key areas our lag is serious.
    55 caliber is the standard barrel length in NATO, with an appropriate firing range. Of the towed artillery in range with us, only the Msta-B is approaching. "Hyacinth-B" - does not count, non-standard ammunition system and not massive, with its own niche.
    But the mass of these systems is two times higher than that of the M777, they are not suitable for light formations. I have to use D-30. That is, where they have a single ammunition, we have 3 different ones. And this is a gain in logistics.
    Satellite correction of projectile flight? Not until I even dream ...
    Etc....
    1. +2
      19 June 2018 08: 13
      Quote: infantryman2020
      55 calibres - NATO standard barrel length

      155/52, if not mistaken. But just the Americans are sitting with old short trunks.
      Quote: infantryman2020
      the mass of these systems is two times higher than that of the M777, for light formations they are not suitable

      This point in the article is just bypassed. A unique feature of the axes was the weight allowing for Osprey transportation. What is now like with this is not clear.
      And the article, of course, is funny.
      It is alleged that a complex in the form of a M777ER gun and a new type of guided projectile with an enhanced projectile charge will increase the firing range by almost half compared to current weapons. Having settled in a closed position, gunners will be able to attack targets 70 km from themselves.

      This is when compared with the sevens and a simple shell. For 155/52 and the M982 Excalibur shell, a range of 60 km is claimed.
      . M777A2 purchased by the Pentagon at $ 4,6 million apiece.

      That is morally obsolete towed guns are more expensive than modern self-propelled guns K-9, at the cost of MBT. Only mass executions will save America.
      1. +1
        20 June 2018 02: 03
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        A unique feature of the axes was the weight allowing for Osprey transportation. What is now like with this is not clear.

        Xm. Chinook and Kingston raise 12 tons each. What Americans fight with weight is a mystery.
    2. +6
      19 June 2018 08: 15
      Quote: infantryman2020
      If constructively, in a number of key areas our lag is serious.

      8)))
      Quote: infantryman2020
      55 caliber is the standard barrel length in NATO, with an appropriate firing range.

      What is the point of putting such a barrel on morally obsolete towed guns that we actually have a lifetime of?

      Quote: infantryman2020
      But the mass of these systems is two times higher than that of the M777, they are not suitable for light formations.

      As practice shows, the M777 is also not suitable for this. And the Americans are forced to keep two 155-mm batteries in a “light” brigade on one 105mm howitzer battery (which, incidentally, is less than 122, can't you find it?) Therefore, they still could not achieve a “single ammunition” even at the level of artillery division. Which we, by the way, have decided.

      Quote: infantryman2020
      Satellite correction of projectile flight? Not until I even dream ...

      What for? Money down the drain. High cost with accuracy comparable to the accuracy of conventional ammunition.
  5. +4
    19 June 2018 08: 06
    The most expensive and the most backward modern towed howitzer in the world will become even more expensive after modernization, and will lag behind classmates completely. Even India overtook them in this area (apparently, having received technology from the Israelis). Their ATAGS requires only a small part in calculating the firing of shells and charges to the gun during the calculation. The rest is mechanized and automated. Including the sending of shells and charges.
    And besides, there is also the opportunity to quickly fall off the fire after a raid, so as not to fall under counter-battery response. Thanks to the presence of a self-moving device. Which, in addition to everything else, greatly reduces time and makes life easier when moving from marching to combat and vice versa, as well as when changing the shooting sector. Proud American gunners have to drape without guns 8)))

    In general, they failed to create a howitzer for the tasks that were assigned to it. Modernization will partially deprive the M777 of this.
    1. 0
      19 June 2018 08: 26
      Quote: Spade
      In general, they failed to create a howitzer for the tasks that were assigned to it.

      Axes were made to meet the requirements that were put forward by them. They correspond to them.
      Quote: Spade
      Their ATAGS requires from the calculation during the shooting only a small participation in the tray of shells and charges to the gun.

      When designing axes, it was decided to abandon everything, but to maintain weight. How reasonable this decision was is another conversation.
      1. +2
        19 June 2018 08: 44
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        Axes were made to meet the requirements that were put forward by them. They correspond to them.

        That is why the division of "light" brigades consists of one 155 mm M777 battery and two 105-mm howitzer batteries? Hello, but what about their "outstanding mobility"? Lacks? And even more will be missed after modernization.

        Quote: Cherry Nine
        When designing axes, it was decided to abandon everything, but to maintain weight.

        Weight "did not hold" initially. The British army remained with the 105 mm light BG, and the Americans managed to push the unnecessary 155 mm howitzer. And where it is not needed. 8))) For example, in the "Stryker" brigade. What honors the lobbyists of the BAE Systems.
        1. +2
          19 June 2018 09: 21
          Here. which means that in time to create a caliber of 122 mm.
          152-155 mm is more profitable when there are loading mechanisms, which makes the rate of fire comparable with the caliber of 122 mm. Then HE will be one third shorter in time. And it is implemented in self-propelled guns.

          In towed, there is only a loss in time. Fiddling with 152-155 mm calculation is not long enough (well, unless there is a company of carriers).
          And to charge such a projectile, at certain elevation angles, with such a low line of fire - there will not be enough blacks.
          And with 122 mm you can work forever.
        2. 0
          19 June 2018 23: 49
          Quote: Spade
          That is why the division of "light" brigades consists of one 155 mm M777 battery and two 105-mm howitzer batteries? Hello, but what about their "outstanding mobility"? Lacks?

          There is not enough, let us say, thoughtfulness of the changes in technology and OSh. Yes, the Americans also have problems.
          1. +1
            20 June 2018 07: 39
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            There is not enough, let us say, thoughtfulness of the changes in technology and OSh. Yes, the Americans also have problems.

            That's the whole ficus picus, too heavy M777, moreover, when choosing a full-time tractor, they were guided by anything, but not by expediency. Therefore, she can not replace the 105-mm howitzer
            1. 0
              20 June 2018 08: 42
              Quote: Spade
              too heavy M777, moreover, when choosing a full-time tractor they were guided by anything, but not by expediency.

              Given the cost of the gun, the tractor is a penny. And the L-ATV is not a Hammer. The trouble is, oddly enough, that Americans have not received stars for a long time. Relaxed.
              1. +2
                20 June 2018 09: 22
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Given the cost of the gun, the tractor is a penny.

                I would not say. Too lazy to look, how much LMTV with an armored cab costs? Moreover, they need two howitzers, and even with an LMTVT trailer. This is in the "light" teams
                Well, or two five-ton MTV in the Stryker brigades. Otherwise, transporting a very large calculation of the gun and its ammunition will not work.

                Such pies. By the way, the British just developed a tractor for the M777, LIMAWS (G).

                Thrown by the Chinook and capable of not only carrying, but also carrying a howitzer, which is clearly better in terms of speed of movement, off-road towing is very much limited in this regard.
                But ... "Supacat" is British, not American. Therefore, they preferred the "domestic manufacturer" to the detriment of efficiency.
                1. 0
                  21 June 2018 06: 48
                  Quote: Spade
                  How much does an LMTV with armored cab cost?

                  Standard - about 150K. But I wrote about the LATV, which with its weight of 7 tons and electric ship should be a very serious tractor. And no matter how much it costs (200-500 depending on equipment and armor) - this is a replacement for Hammer, in the light brigade in the future he will still be the main machine.
                  Quote: Spade
                  But ... "Supacat" is British, not American

                  The American gun is also rather arbitrary. Oh, and the Americans in the genre of "Belarusian oysters" have become more advanced. When they need to resolve the issue, they decide.
    2. +2
      19 June 2018 11: 24
      Again, you delicately do not touch the airmobility of these howitzers. wink
      But this is their main "horse".
      1. 0
        19 June 2018 13: 35
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Again, you delicately do not touch the airmobility of these howitzers

        In this regard, it’s easier for us: the MI-26 and a 20-ton cannon can be pulled where necessary.
      2. +1
        19 June 2018 14: 33
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Again, you delicately do not touch the airmobility of these howitzers.
        But this is their main "horse".

        Well ... So why then do we need a 105-mm gun, if "air mobility"? Maybe they are needed because the howitzer can still be thrown, but the tractor is gone?
  6. +1
    19 June 2018 08: 33
    Modern towed and artillery systems of caliber 155 mm are capable of attacking targets at ranges of about 30 km.
    1. 0
      19 June 2018 12: 33
      I usually say this about Russian samples, but nonetheless
      And why this deadly killer? He exists?
      1. 0
        19 June 2018 13: 57
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        ...but nonetheless

        ... The video shows how to transport howitzers and combat deployment, and what’s written on the headband doesn’t need to be read
        1. +1
          19 June 2018 21: 51
          Sanya. prvevet! What’s the name of that crooked stick? wink
        2. +1
          19 June 2018 23: 39
          As far as I can understand, the video contains a British proposal on this topic, and not a standard American version. The frankly miserable level of the gun is visible, by modern standards. That is, maybe some chips, such as fire control, are simply not visible in the video, but the process of pointing, charging and shooting is a pure old school.
          Now it’s customary to shoot a little differently.
  7. 0
    19 June 2018 09: 47
    What, got to the documentation of our "Coalition-SV"? Or just a coincidence is this: the same proportional increase in the range of defeat due to the same decisions.
    1. 0
      19 June 2018 12: 01
      There, all solutions have long been known:
      - charge increase
      - strengthening and lengthening of the barrel
      - improvement of the SLA and awareness of the weather conditions for the flight of the projectile
      - they have a shell with GPS.
      The question is how much does it cost and how much does it weigh.
  8. 0
    19 June 2018 10: 11
    If you increase the barrel length by two meters, there will be big trouble when towing guns in the military convoy. They apparently have not yet encountered this problem.
    1. +1
      19 June 2018 11: 25
      They are being thrown by helicopters, and not in military columns.
      1. +4
        19 June 2018 12: 23
        With such high mobility, is there any point in increasing the firing range of the guns? Isn’t it better to drop the gun directly on the target?)))
        1. +1
          19 June 2018 12: 41
          The farther away from the goal, the less likely to get an answer.
          and less likely to take the crew by surprise, including helicopters.
          All this is not a theory. It was practiced in Afghanistan and Iraq.
          1. +2
            19 June 2018 16: 57
            You just didn't get the joke.
        2. +1
          19 June 2018 13: 05
          Quote: Yura Yakovlev
          With such high mobility, is there any point in increasing the firing range of the guns? Isn’t it better to drop the gun directly on the target?)))

          Even as it is. The greater the range - the less often it will be necessary to drag the gun from point to point. And the smaller number of guns / bases can be kept in the area (the old one, still from the Vietnam War, the tactics of artillery bases are still relevant and actively used).
          1. 0
            19 June 2018 14: 35
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Even as it is. The greater the range - the less often it will be necessary to drag the gun from point to point.

            No, it is not. You still have to carry it after each fire attack, and this, in fact, is not a problem.
            1. +2
              20 June 2018 09: 42
              Quote: Spade
              No, it is not. You still have to carry it after each fire attack, and this, in fact, is not a problem.

              Why carry something? Really evil zusuls will cover positions with return fire? smile
              All these perversions with towed airborne ACs (and with light brigades) are not for a big war, but for small colonial messes in which the Yankees are now actively participating. “Lolodina” is expensive to use there, and not everywhere it will pass. A towed AU can be abandoned anywhere - if only the carrying capacity and ceiling of the helicopter would allow. Is it difficult to quickly get out of position? And why - the enemy still can not do anything in return.
              1. 0
                20 June 2018 09: 55
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Why carry something? Really evil zusuls will cover positions with return fire?

                You know, I won’t be surprised if they can. Here from these:

                you can expect anything.
                1. +1
                  20 June 2018 23: 02
                  Quote: Spade
                  Here from these:

                  Good day!
                  Is he pointing a mortar with a tablet ?!
                2. 0
                  21 June 2018 06: 49
                  Quote: Spade
                  you can expect anything.

                  Mortar shelling of the American artillery position? This is a very good idea.
          2. 0
            19 June 2018 17: 27
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The greater the range - the less often it will be necessary to drag the gun from point to point.


            Firstly, (on the offensive) - range makes it possible to create a high density of fire, obviously not directly focusing artillery on the breakout site.
            Secondly (on defense) allows you to fire on the advancing troops both in the original areas, and when extending. (and hide the tactical divisional system in the operational area (from the otvetka) is complete nonsense.

            Responses to Answers - first - reduction of time for OH and then rewinding from a position
            second -district occupation OP with individual reference and orientation, with the calculation of data for each tool in the fan.

            Well, the use of systems with protection against indirect contact (booking) ..
      2. +3
        19 June 2018 14: 34
        Quote: voyaka uh
        They are being thrown by helicopters, and not in military columns.

        eight)))))))))
        Separated from regular tractors and ammunition vehicles?
        1. +1
          19 June 2018 22: 59
          Yes. So they were used in Afghanistan. Two helicopters on a howitzer. One helicopter hooked on a howitzer, in another - shells and charges. Without tractors. After firing, they clung again and flew away.
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            20 June 2018 07: 14
            Everything that is transported by helicopters, especially when it comes to cargo of several tons, becomes literally golden. In the war with the Pygmies, a large number of artillery is not necessary, so the printing press will cope. And what will the Americans do in a full-scale war with an adversary with adequate forces and means? Such an approach is a great way to purge a world war, that is, like the two previous ones, a war of attrition.
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              20 June 2018 11: 28
              Americans are pragmatic. What wars are, under those
              and weapons are invented. And applied immediately.
              M777 showed excellent performance in Afghanistan with helicopters.
              And they decided to further improve.
              And for the "big" nuclear war, of course, there will be other means.
  9. 0
    19 June 2018 10: 34
    .. pmsm, making a high-ballistic gun based on a low-ballistic gun of the same caliber is utter nonsense.
    But it is better to wait for what uv will say. Shovels. :)
    1. 0
      19 June 2018 12: 02
      She originally had high ballistics ...
      1. 0
        19 June 2018 12: 56
        Quote: Zaurbek
        She originally had high ballistics ...

        39 and 55 fundamentally different ballistics, affecting not only the barrel but also the entire structure
  10. +3
    19 June 2018 11: 02
    It is interesting - how did you manage to keep the increase in gun mass within 39 kg (a little more than 55%) when switching from a 450-caliber barrel to a 10-caliber barrel? what
    For comparison: in ordinary field towed artillery, 39-caliber 155-mm guns occupy a niche of 6-7 tons (the same M198), and 55-caliber guns already go into the range of 9-12 tons. The difference in mass is almost doubled.
    1. +1
      19 June 2018 12: 43
      Yes, I was also surprised, especially 777 and so alloy. You can, of course, make carriages from composites and sell them at the price of a helicopter.
  11. +3
    19 June 2018 11: 35
    They invented a lot of complicated and tricky things! what In a simpler way it would be necessary ... as in antiquity!
  12. +3
    19 June 2018 11: 52
    According to known data, the M777A2 howitzers were purchased by the Pentagon at $ 4,6 million apiece. The promising M777ER will not be cheaper, although their cost has not yet been specified ..
    It seems to me that at these ranges it’s cheaper to use MLRS guided missiles
  13. +1
    19 June 2018 14: 07
    For stationary placement on the base for shelling at 70 km .. this is an option! Cheaper than a projectile rather than a rocket .. In fact, a weapon for placement at the base! No more..

    And at once the thought comes that this weapon is for deployment at bases in Afghanistan and Iraq ..
    1. 0
      19 June 2018 14: 44
      Quote: oleg78
      For stationary placement on the base for shelling at 70 km .. this is an option! Cheaper than a projectile rather than a rocket .. In fact, a weapon for placement at the base! No more..

      And that’s exactly how it is used: if necessary, fire support of mobile forces in any area is equipped with a temporary artillery base, guns are thrown at it with air - and that’s all, you can work. The need for support has disappeared or the situation has worsened somewhere else - the guns go to another point by air. The problem with the original “three axes” is that they cover too small a circle - and you have to either use more guns, or build more bases and carry guns on them as needed.
    2. +1
      20 June 2018 01: 35
      Quote: oleg78
      For stationary placement on the base for shelling at 70 km .. this is an option!

      This is more or less the standard of counterguerrilla wars now. Of course, during the decisive operation, self-propelled guns are needed, but the decisive operation is a month and 172 dead, and then 10 years of tyagomotin and more than 5 thousand killed, taking into account PMCs (for Iraq 2003-2013).
      Quote: oleg78
      Cheaper than a missile rather than a rocket.

      Is not a fact. Shell M982 Excalibur for 60 km costs under 200K little thing. Electronics that can withstand such loads are not two fingers on the asphalt. Helfayer costs 120, the Hydra control is ok 15. True, in order to use them, a drone for 16M must circle somewhere nearby. On the other hand, the equipment of the artillery base is also not free. So everything is complicated.
      Quote: oleg78
      And at once the thought comes that this weapon is for deployment at bases in Afghanistan and Iraq ..

      Nobody is hiding this.
    3. 0
      20 June 2018 12: 09
      Quote: oleg78
      For stationary placement on the base for shelling at 70 km .. this is an option! Cheaper than a missile rather than a rocket ..

      And where can I get an ordinary shell, shooting at 70 km?
      1. 0
        20 June 2018 19: 43
        Quote: Bad_gr
        ordinary shell

        Extraordinary. ZhPS, computer, retractable plumage.
  14. +1
    19 June 2018 21: 47
    Nonsense. Hitler was already trying to erase Leningrad with long-range artillery of high power. Erased? ....
    1. 0
      20 June 2018 21: 49
      These nuclear artillery shells have from 0,4 to 5 kilotons of 20 to 30 rounds and there is no Petersburg.
      1. 0
        1 July 2018 19: 33
        There are tactical missiles using special charges.

        This technology is cheaper for shooting at squares.
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    1 July 2018 19: 30
    The very need for such transcendental distances is not understood.

    Well, suppose you need a point strike of 3 shells in the depths of the enemy’s defense. At a distance and in the absence of other alternatives. Suppose such a goal has appeared. Imagine all the complexities of coincidences including the cost of the property itself. A rocket-powered projectile in itself is not very cheap in the production of storage, delivery and maintenance.

    In my opinion, in this case, the concept of such weapons is lame on both legs.

    In my opinion, mobile artillery in this case may be more in demand. For example, the same mortar in a gazelle. In an hour we rode half a hundred kilometers to the affected area. We shot and rode off.

    They say that there will be no solid lines of defense.

    And the cost of long shots is not very cheap. Bullet Mercedes on the enemy, no matter how much.