The first fruits of the chase for "Armata": what the enemy is trying to overcome the T-14 and T-15

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Two concepts presented during the 26th Eurosatory-2018 International Exhibition of Arms, Security Technologies and Means of Defense, which took place in Paris from June 11 to 15, can cause keen interest among fans of military equipment and specialists. We are talking about the heavy German next-generation heavy infantry fighting vehicle “Lynx KF41”, as well as a very controversial Franco-German product - the advanced “network-centric” main combat tank EMBT "European Main Battle Tank". Both combat vehicles, like most types of armored vehicles for participating in network-centric wars of the XNUMXst century, are equipped with modern terminals for exchanging tactical information on secure radio communication channels, as well as means for displaying it, coupled with high-performance combat information-control systems.



Therefore, it is logical to assume that in the defense departments and armies of the leading NATO member states they can be viewed as a “strategic asset” of the ground forces in the European theater of operations in opposition to our line of combat vehicles on the Armat’s universal tracked platform. But, as you know, only one network-centric e-stuffing on the battlefield of the third millennium will not go far, and therefore it is very useful to consider, or at least evaluate (starting from photographs and videos on which the first demonstrators are captured) the level of security and weaponry these samples. We begin, of course, with a heavy infantry fighting vehicle "Lynx KF41".

The first version of the concept of this BMP (“Lynx KF31”) was presented to the public even 14 June 2016 of the year, as part of the 24-th exhibition “Eurostary-2016”. Then a car appeared in front of us with thin (almost “paper”) sheet anti-cumulative screens, which in the literal sense of the word will turn into a “sieve” after the very first shelling of large-caliber small arms, not to mention the line-up from ZU-23-2 or “ Shilki. The corps of the first version of the “Lynx” was nothing more than a constructive analogue of the corps of the obsolete heavy infantry fighting vehicle “Marder-1A3” with all the ensuing consequences, - the protection of the frontal armor plate of the corps (with the angle of inclination of 75 degrees to the normal) only from the armor piercing subaliber 30x165 mm shells (at a distance ≥ 400 m; we are talking about Kerner ZUBR8 and NATO armor-piercing fired PMC303 tracer, capable of piercing 400- and 80-mm steel armored plate at 100 mm through 0 and 80 steel barrels under the angle 100 and X-NHXXHXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX-XXXXX-mm of X-968 equivalent resistance from the BOPS / BOPTS of this model, the Lynx BMP was approximately 14,5 — 41 mm. The onboard projections protected only from 32-mm projectiles of BS-40 and B-50 type, which have armor-piercing around 23 mm; is about 30 mm, but these indicators are absolutely not enough to protect frontal projection from larger-caliber armor-piercing shells and some types of hand-held anti-tank weapons, and onboard projections from XNUMX- and XNUMX-mm automatic guns.

As a result, the experts of the leading German brand-developer of armored vehicles and diesel engines Rheinmetall decided to move away from using the design of the Marder family of infantry fighting vehicles as a base for a new-generation vehicle and fixed their eyes in the direction of the new Puma infantry fighting vehicles, which are capable of endure shelling 45 — 50-mm armor-piercing feathered sub-caliber shells, penetration of which can reach 200 — 220 mm steel equivalent at an angle 0 degrees to the normal at a distance more than 1000 m. Consequently, the thickness on VFD "PUMA" excluding 75-degree tilt armor plating can be 55 mm; Airborne armor plates of the hull (especially in the front part) can even protect against 30-mm armor-piercing projectiles even at maximum maneuvering angles of +/- 45 — 50 degrees, which is achieved by using massive modular booking elements placed on anti-cumulative grilles.

Based on the experience gained during the design of the Puma BMP, which is now being used by the Bundeswehr, the specialists of Rheinmetall AG made the final version of the Lynx KF41 even more armor-proof. Based on the photographs of the exhibition, as well as the first video presentations on which Lynx’s test sites are captured, you can pay attention to many structural details that give an estimated idea of ​​the equivalent durability of various projections of an infantry fighting vehicle. In particular, on the massive upper frontal details, you can see the contours of the elements of modular booking, as well as the hatch of the driver. The hatch is located not in the middle of the BWD, as in the “Marder-1A3”, but in the area of ​​the tower shoulder strap, at the maximum distance from the “wedge-shaped” joint of frontal parts (WLD and NLD). You can also pay attention to the contours of a rectangular cell around the hatch of a mechanized drive, which, obviously, denote the boundaries of its “armored capsule”; they are located at a distance of more than 1 m from the interface of the ILD and NLD.

This design may indicate that the equivalent durability of the upper frontal part of a new BMP from armor-piercing feathered sub-caliber shells may exceed the performance of the BMP Puma (200 — 220 mm) and reach 300 — 350 mm, and the 1140 engine, hp from Liebherr, it has noticeably larger dimensions, which requires much more internal space than the 600-strong 6-cylinder diesel Daimler-Benz MB833. Therefore, it can be argued with high probability that the frontal projection of the hull can be protected not only by 30-mm APFSDS-T type NM 225 projectiles with 120 mm armor penetration at 1000 m and 40-mm BPS APFSDS-T Mk 2, developed by specialists company «Bofors Defence» to 40-mm automatic guns L / 70B and CT40 with penetration of about 200 mm at a distance of up to 1 km, but also from the old 125-mm armor-piercing feathered projectiles types of MBA-15 and MBA-17 with armor penetration 340 and 330 mm, respectively.

The onboard projections of the Lynx KF41 perspective infantry fighting vehicle corps are covered with massive passive protection modules with a physical dimension from 100 mm (in the lower part) to 150 mm (in the upper part, near the roof of the building). The modules are represented by built-in multi-layer special booking packages, the structure of which, for obvious reasons, is not made public. It is most likely that layers of “cellular” composite ceramics are used, the matrix of which is reinforced with silicon carbide and aluminum oxide to reduce brittleness and preserve the same strength characteristics typical of standard homogeneous steel armored plates. Layers based on polyurethane and other composite materials can also be used.

Such a structure of reserving can significantly ease the mass of an armored vehicle unit while maintaining the same level of security, the British division of Lockheed Martin UK, which is promoting its achievements in the European armament market, is currently working on developing such materials. The design of armor-packages of the attack helicopter Mi-28H, represented by 10-mm aluminum sheets with 15-mm ceramic blocks glued to them, points to the excellent prospects for such a booking. Therefore, we have an 26-mm aluminum-ceramic armor “cake” with 1,65 times smaller than that of a steel plate, but having similar parameters of equivalent durability. All this applies to the German BMP "Links KF41", which is why the developer indicated the stock of accumulative mass in 6000 kg.

The above-mentioned modular armored plates, also playing the role of protivokumulyatnyh screens (PKE), together with the onboard body armor plates form an armored barrier with dimensions from 120 to 170 mm mm with a half-meter air gap. Consequently, the hull board without any problems withstands hitting our 30-mm armor-piercing projectiles ZUBR8 "Kerner" at an angle of meeting 0 degrees to the normal from minimum distances (200 — 300 meters) and 40-mm APFSDS-T Mk 2 at safe maneuvering angles ± 50 degrees from the course direction of the machine with similar ranges of fire. When firing with safe maneuvering angles of ± 20 — 30 degrees, the Lynx KF41 board can withstand the hit of 125-mm “Pin” or “Nadezhda-R” armor-piercing projectiles or anti-tank grenades PG-9BC of the SGGNUMNUMNUMNUMNTMGNUMNUMNTMGNUMNUME -GUMNUMT-9NUMNUM-T.G. large meeting angles).

Naturally, there is a way to break through the Lynx side armor using the KND 12,7-mm machine gun: for this you need to fire the bare armor plate in a narrow strip under the on-board protection modules (between the support rollers), but this is possible only from the minimum distances a few hundred meters, plus when the “KF41” will be located on a certain elevation of the terrain, somewhat higher than the machine-gun crew. Otherwise, this sector will be covered by the “terrain screen”. Taking into account the increase in mass of the new German BMP to 50 tons, in the future, the car can be equipped with a complex of tandem DZ, which will allow to act on the most difficult parts of the theater of operations with high fire impact from the enemy by such means as "boots", RPG-7BP, and in some cases, the Konkurs-M ATGM system.

Special attention should be paid to the measures for protecting the airborne unit in the area of ​​the aft ramp. Here, the specialists of Rheinmetall AG, obviously, paid attention to the entry / exit unit of the heavy Israeli tracked armored carrier “Namer” and the Russian advanced heavy infantry fighting vehicle T-15 “Armata”. Firstly, the Lynx KF41 access hatch is recessed into the rear part approximately 1 m. This design virtually eliminates fragmentation-high explosive shells and other damaging elements of the enemy from direct contact at angles of ± 60 — 70 degrees from the longitudinal axis of the body machines, that is, from the side angles shifted into the rear hemisphere. A projectile may get into the troop compartment with an open ramp only possible by cutting the U-shaped amphibious unit from the armored blocks, in which the engine cooling system circuit is also integrated; but for this, the enemy will need to get to the tank’s rear zone with a floor angle of about 40 degrees from the longitudinal axis of the BMP, which in combat conditions (during the landing) is not an easy task.


The photo illustrates the highest level of armor protection of the amphibious unit, including a thick welded ramp hatch.


As for the closed ramp, here the developer still took into account the likelihood of shelling from large-caliber automatic guns BTR and BMP, as well as some hand-held anti-tank weapons, because maneuvering during combat, as well as leaving the battlefield provide for the complete exposure of the stern projection for the opponent. In one of the photos of the demonstrator, you can note that the thickness of the hatch ramp is much greater than that of Kurgants-25 and even Namer: its size in the lower part is 45 — 50 cm, in the top — 250 mm, which indicates providing protection against 40 — 45-mm armor-piercing shells, as well as the above-described tank 125-mm armor-piercing shells in the lower sector.

Assessing the armor-proofness of the welded turret “Lynx KF41”, it is necessary to take into account that it is habitable and has a decent reserved volume in which the vehicle commander and gunner are placed, as well as part of the ammunition load. If you watch the video demonstration provided on “YouTube” by the “Rheinmetall Defense” division, you can pay attention to the episode of the car’s passage on a dirt country road, taken from a copter. Here you can clearly see the depth of the hatches of the crew, which reaches 1,5 m. We subtract from this another 700 — 800 mm covering the control compartment in front of the hatches, and we have 300 — 350-mm steel or aluminum frontal armor plate and wedge-shaped modular packages special booking of the same size, which ultimately provides equivalent durability of the order of 500 — 700 mm (depending on the type of special booking and mechanical properties of the used composites and metals); this almost corresponds to the level of protection of the early modification of the Leopard-2A4 MBT, which is an excellent indicator for an infantry fighting vehicle.


Tests "Lynx KF41"


The weakened zone in the side projection of the turret is standard - the embrasure sector of the main gun, to compensate for which, the developer equipped the gun with a massive multi-faceted “mask”, which significantly increases equivalent durability. The “mask” of the gun smoothly passes into the heat and radio absorbing “cover”, the inside of which has a contour for running distilled water or antifreeze, and some external elements are radio absorbing materials that significantly reduce the radar signature of the BMP “Lynx KF41” along with the radio absorbing coverings of the modular booking the entire corps of a combat vehicle. This concept of reducing infrared and radar visibility "Lynx KF41" fully complies with next-generation standards, the detection range of which is using X-band radar reconnaissance aerial tools, as well as portable radar reconnaissance of ground positions and target designation of artillery of the type "Xenum 1" and " Farah-1PV "should be kept to a minimum. In favor of this concept is played not only by the “mask” of the gun, but also by the design features of the location of the missile armament of the new German BMP.

In particular, the twin-module modular launcher of the Israeli anti-tank complex Spike-LR2 is not attached to the left-side armor plate of the turret (in a vertically oriented launch module, as in the early modification of the Lynx KF31), but hidden in a specialized on-board niche of the tower and extends into the platform adjustable by hydraulic drive in elevation plane. This prevents the disabling of combat-ready anti-tank missiles and damage to transport-launch containers in the event of shelling from enemy large-caliber machine guns and automatic guns BMP, also significantly reduced EPR and optical visibility "Lynx" in the frontal projection. Developed by Rafael to 29 in May 2017, the long-range Spike-LR II (Long Range II, or Gil-2) anti-tank missile belonging to the 5 generation anti-tank weapon received an advanced radio channel control system communication (instead of communication via fiber optic cable), which allows it to be used in the most difficult terrain areas.

The missile is capable of striking a powerful tandem cumulative warhead in the most weakened upper armor plates of the enemy’s unit tower, which leaves no chance if there are no active defense and optical-electronic countermeasures as part of the enemy’s mechanized unit. In addition to an infrared photo detector with a 3 generation matrix, the optoelectronic homing head also has a TV sensor that operates in 720p resolution; As a result, to repel an impact, a smoke screen should be installed, infrared traps should be used, as well as exposure to laser and high-frequency electromagnetic radiation. Meanwhile, for accurate direction finding of the flying Spike-LR2 anti-tank guided missile, with subsequent impact on it by the above means, it is necessary to have all infrared stations that detect missiles by thermal radiation from rocket engines or centimeter / millimeter radar systems. "Spike-LR2", having a range of 5500 m, is able to penetrate up to 900 mm steel equivalent for DZ "Contact-1".

The main means of defeating the “Lynx” is a 35-mm automatic “Wotan” cannon, dressed in a “case” (we talked about it above), integrated into the turret - the Rheinmetall Lance 2.0 combat module. What is known about this gun? In fact, this gun is a conceptual and constructive continuation of the 35 mm Oerlikon KDG Swiss gun, the production license of which passed into the hands of Rheinmetall AG in the early 2000s. (after the takeover of Oerlikon by German weapons concern). This cannon can be found in numerous ground and naval defensive platforms of European design, mainly as anti-aircraft guns. For example, as part of the MANTIS and Skyshield anti-aircraft artillery defense systems (6 and 12 BM Oerlikon-Rheinmetall KDG cannons each are capable of targeting mortar shells, UAVs, etc., by target designation from a continuous radar system and OLPC) as part of the ship-based Zaklak Oerlikon Millennium, or anti-aircraft self-propelled guns Skyranger.

The ballistic qualities of this weapon are quite impressive and coincide with the ATK Bushmaster III cannon: the initial speed of the 35xXNNXX sifting armor-piercing projectile PMD 288 (APFSDS-T family) is 060 m / s, so that at a distance of 1440 km the unit can be hit the enemy, which is represented by an armor plate thickness of 2 mm at an angle of 50 degrees and around 60 mm at an angle of 90 degrees to the normal. Neither the BMP-0, nor BMP-1000, nor the Kurganets-1500 will be able to withstand the hitting of such projectiles at the distance 2 — 3 meters at the distance of 25 — 15 meters. The only "panacea" in the confrontation with the "Lynx" can be anti-tank calculations, armed with the "Cornet", heavy combat vehicles T-72 "Armata", as well as BMPT-41 "Terminator", able to withstand shelling from "Oerlikon". The driving performance of the Lynx KF44 BMP, although it does not involve forcing deep water obstacles due to the huge tank mass in 50 and 22,8 tons after completing the dynamic protection system, as well as the active optical-electronic counter-response complex of MUSS and active protection AMAP-ADS, allow you to achieve power density in 26 — XNUMX hp / t, which, in combination with the MTO from Renk AG, provides excellent progress over rough terrain.

In the final part of our review we will take a brief look at another interesting concept from the Eurosatory-2018 exhibition - the main battle tank EMBT European Main Battle Tank, developed by the French-German industrial group KNDS, formed by the merger of the German Krauss-Maffei Wegmann and the French NEXTER Defense System. The machine is a hybrid of the French AMX-56 "Leclerc" (it borrowed a tower and a smooth-bore gun) and the German "Leopard-2A7" (this machine became a "donor" of the hull and the engine compartment). Here we can state the only thing: the design and creation of the demonstrator took just three years after the merging of KMW and Nexter, which means that the implementation of the EMBT program was carried out in a hurry, as a kind of “fast” asymmetrical response to the announcement of the promising MBT in 2015 year T-14 "Armata" ("Object 148"), because the development of the project of the advanced French-German MBT with the 130-mm cannon "Main Ground Combat System" (MGCS) is only in its infancy, and completion is planned only by the beginning of 30-x yo But was the "game" worth the candle with the creation of a new "armored demonstrator" on an existing base? From the point of view of the evolution of network-centric theaters of war, it is quite possible, since the Leclerc tower has long been considered the most promising information cocoon not only among the tank parks of European NATO member countries, but also against the background of the armed forces of other nations of the world.


Promising MBT EMBT


For example, today “Leclercs” plan to equip the SICS with the most advanced tank information control system (TIUS), which will integrate a high-performance fire control system (SLA), as well as duplicate commander and gunner terminals for exchanging tactical information with other tank crews , or any other units of equipment of friendly units that are equipped with similar data transfer stations. The basis in this case is the standard combined multiplex data bus MIL-STD-1553B. The SICS system should replace the aging SIT ICONE IIS, which is at the disposal of the commander of the Leclerc Block III. As the main armament of the promising EMBT tank, the KNDS group retains the “Leclerk” 120-mm smoothbore gun CN120-26 with a length of 52 caliber, providing the initial BOPS speed in 1750, which corresponds to the level of the German Rh120-L55. This is quite enough to give maximum armor penetration by standard French OFPS 120 F2 type BON at the 650 level - 700 mm, or more using DM63A1. But not in the gun the whole thing.


Evaluation of armor protection tower MBT "Leclerc" in cross section


The armor protection of the Leclerc tower remains at an extremely mediocre level even in comparison with the Leopard-2A7, not to mention the T-90C, M1A2 SEP or Challenger 2. This is confirmed as a renowned information-analytical /historical resource “Tank power. Steel and fire ”(btvt.narod.ru), as well as drawings of sections of the Leclerka tower found on Western resources. So, official sources speak of the equivalent resistance of the frontal armor plate of a tower within 650–700 mm from armor-piercing feathered sub-caliber shells and 1150–1200 mm from a CS: reliable protection is provided only from BPS BMS-42M Lekalo and ZBM-46 Lead. This is confirmed by the drawing with measurements of the frontal and side dimensions. As for shelling the side projections of the tower at an angle of 60 degrees, their equivalent resistance reaches only 560 mm (protection is provided only from obsolete 125-mm armor-piercing shells "Nadfil-2" and "Mango").

Leopard-2A7, equipped with massive overlays of modular booking, has a frontal projection resistance of 850 mm and beats (at safe maneuvering angles ± 30 degrees) about 650 — 670 mm, which is much better than Leclerc. Conclusion: the EMBT project is unprofitable for the German side (a good chassis of the Leopard receives the weakly protected Leclerc tower, while KMW could independently raise the network-centric qualities of the Leopard through proper digitization of the previous tower); for the French ground forces, the project will not bring any advantages in terms of survivability on the battlefield. And therefore, the hybrid tank EMBT a priori cannot be considered as a serious contender for our T-14 "Armata".

Information sources:
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201806120829-zy6n.htm
http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/ARM/apfsds/ammo_r.html
http://btvt.narod.ru/4/boepripas_20_30.htm
http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/guns/35-1000.html
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  1. +2
    18 June 2018 05: 55
    Maybe I'm wrong ... But the fact that modern tanks can not shoot through an ordinary optical sight ... This is nonsense ...
    1. +2
      18 June 2018 11: 41
      Of course through an optical sight. But what about?
      Only he is not in front of the gunner’s eye.
      And infa goes by wire.
      But if you want the old-fashioned way - through the bore,
      the simplest optical sight - this pleasure is no longer there. fellow
      1. MPN
        +7
        18 June 2018 14: 22
        Quote: voyaka uh
        then this pleasure is no longer there.

        Damn ... but I wanted ... winked
  2. +5
    18 June 2018 06: 14
    "and therefore it’s very useful to consider, or at least evaluate (based on the photos and videos on which the first demonstrators are captured) the level of protection and armament of these samples." Based on these assumptions - the coolest tank of the next millennium - Polish PL-01
  3. +13
    18 June 2018 06: 58
    Wow, how many bukaf Mr. Damantsev could write on a three-minute video. Armato dragged on, for some reason.
    Both projects are commercial concepts of Rheinmetall. About any requests of the European defense departments in this regard is unknown. Lynx is generally a modified analogue of the Puma, with which the reinmetal has been tinkering with for about 10 years. The capacity is increased, the basic version is easier due to the heavier body kit, they say a slightly lower price.
    1. +6
      18 June 2018 07: 04
      Etozh Damantsev, he probably has all his fingers peeling off, so much sucks those for creativity ...
    2. 0
      18 June 2018 07: 14
      Quote: Cherry Nine
      Both projects are commercial concepts of Rheinmetall

      CMS tank, of course.
  4. +4
    18 June 2018 07: 28
    Serious cars, no doubt. And the further the more expensive they become. Soon, the pancake planes will catch up with the price ... This is not counting all the aspects of service and possible upgrades that will appear new almost every year. For me, armies that are trying to completely switch to more and more expensive models do not become stronger. It becomes stupid so expensive that soon the limits of the rational will be completely overcome. Everything needs a balance. Especially to the Germans, who are driving them farther and farther towards some kind of cars stuffed with electric electronics to the edge. Which even they can have no more than 500. More just tin and not expenses
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 07: 54
      Quote: cariperpaint
      more and more expensive samples do not get stronger.

      When a country has land forces in 3 divisions and a military budget, like the three Israels, you can buy this or that.
      Another thing is that there are doubts that the combat readiness of these three divisions is as one would expect.
      1. +3
        18 June 2018 09: 58
        In fact of the matter. It's like the sheikhs' car garages. Gold rollers, which once a year ride. It makes no sense, some show off. Here the Germans are now sawing a new modification of the leopard. Gorgeous judging by the performance characteristics obtained. They will buy 100 pieces, and start a new one which is even more expensive. And you read that they have half of the cars at all on the go. And what's the point of all this?)))
        1. +1
          18 June 2018 10: 35
          Well, they have a lot of outdated modifications of leopards, that's not on track, but they can be modified in this and the meaning of all these new versions, such as 2A7, they are not built from scratch.
          1. +2
            18 June 2018 10: 47
            Yes, it's all clear. A7 trample, A8 gash .. 100 pieces will do, and again in a new way. Upgrades are appearing faster and faster, and are excellent. Only more and more expensive. I understand that being in Nato is easier for them, you can’t build a large army. But combat-ready is definitely necessary. They are generally curious to me that in her department, judging by their own media, it’s not even a mess, but some kind of anarchy ... These are smart cars, and this is a fact. But I point blank do not understand the concept of what they are doing from the army. It has even become easier for me to understand Ukraine than Europeans))))
            1. +4
              18 June 2018 12: 29
              Quote: cariperpaint
              But combat-ready is definitely necessary.

              What for? If France or Britain still has some post-colonial issues and, accordingly, chances to get into some kind of trouble, then Germany does not deal with such matters. For Germany, the military industry is a backward industry, a recipient of state support, like agricultural. They would have dispersed everyone, but it’s a pity, their own.
              Quote: cariperpaint
              I’m generally curious to realize that in her department, judging by their own media, it’s not even a mess, but some kind of anarchy

              Ms. von der Leyen, until she was Minister of War, was involved in family affairs, including protecting children from pornography on the Internet. To whom it is, but for me it’s a diagnosis.
              Quote: cariperpaint
              But I point blank do not understand the concept of what they are doing from the army.

              They do nothing. A real army is not needed, but to completely remove the army, like Costa Rica (and leave NATO) - there is not enough courage.
              Here, statements that appeared not so long ago are interesting that the EU should have independent military strength and the ability to fight without the United States. Now, if Europeans really try to create, at least by common efforts, a group capable of conducting the “Desert Storm” - then it will be serious.
        2. +1
          19 June 2018 01: 46
          Quote: cariperpaint
          And what's the point of all this?)))

          Everything is very simple, for Germany there are no military threats, respectively, there is no need for a large army. But they should not lose technology and skills, so few tanks are upgraded, so that in the event of a threat of massive rearmament. Their industry will make it possible in a very short time.
          1. 0
            19 June 2018 07: 22
            Their industry will make it possible in a very short time.

            The concept of a very short period is somewhat vague ... In the modern army, everything that is not ready for use in a real war will never be created ... Since military doctrines provide not only for striking at the opposing army, but also at important strategic targets to to which the objects of the military industry certainly belong ... and their reconstruction is not a matter of one or two years ... by this time any ground-based global conflict will obviously end ...
        3. 0
          26 June 2018 09: 41
          not a warring country and produces something like tanks.
    2. 0
      19 June 2018 17: 09
      "Link" is certainly an interesting car, but what about the tank ... what is the benefit ...
      It also reminds me of the “joint” creation of the MBT-70, with the participation of the United States, Germany and, at the initial stage, France .... Blurred-blurted, blanched-blurred .... quarreled, and tearing their fantasies from the tank, they began to sculpt his own.
      Result? It is obvious: the best is “Leo”, worse “Leclerc” and, as always, “Abrash” ... in the tail.
      Well, Ameri doesn’t roll with tanks - all the time they have tanks with some sort of sub-sub-sub-frame ...
      It seems to me that with this joint project a dead end and a swamp ... at least in this case ....
  5. +1
    18 June 2018 07: 53
    They are not intended to fight with a real enemy from the very beginning, so it makes no difference. It will do for police actions.
  6. +2
    18 June 2018 08: 08
    The survivability of modern tanks depends on the availability and capabilities of KAZ. Even a 150mm 2nd generation ATGM gouging modern tank. Maybe without an explosion and fire and the death of the crew, but the tank will be destroyed.
    1. +5
      18 June 2018 10: 13
      I agree, BUT (!) in the 1st turn European tanks will not face tanks and with the OTRK (I), MLRS (S / U), then with the Su-34, then with the Ka-52, Mi-28, and only then - maybe with the T-14 Armata.
      1. 0
        19 June 2018 00: 53
        And our equipment will encounter their missile defense, air defense, and fighter aircraft systems - it will already be clear there who is better equipped, organized, trained and proactive.
      2. 0
        20 June 2018 11: 24
        Yes, but in Russia there are no ATGMs with a range of 8-25km (such as Spike) from the frontiers of anti-aircraft defense, but in NATO it is. And this is approximately the line of deployment of the tank column. And in equipping helicopters not yet the 3rd generation ATGM.
        1. 0
          20 June 2018 11: 34
          about how famously you took out of context, the OTRK, MLRS with cluster warheads, the Su-34 of which under the same Voronezh on AB Baltimore is already 24, Rostov AB Morozovsk - 36.
          there will be no more war in your view of "tanks to tanks"
          * counteraction ATGM Spike - KOEP Curtain
  7. +2
    18 June 2018 09: 23
    I’m glad that potential opponents
    go on a deliberately false path - heavy expensive infantry fighting vehicles, while weakly armed
    and absolutely vulnerable to our future mass
    57mm high-speed rapid-fire gun.
    1. +5
      18 June 2018 11: 43
      It would be great if they made lightly armored
      BMP, flashed from a heavy machine gun! wassat
      1. 0
        19 August 2018 00: 01
        Side projections protected only from 14,5 mm shells type BS-41 and B-32
        14,5 mm - why isn’t you a heavy machine gun?
    2. +4
      18 June 2018 18: 37
      "Weakly armed heavy infantry fighting vehicles" - You probably got excited, another Frenchman - 40 mm CTAI gun "APFSDS-T CTWS shells are distinguished by the ability to pass through rolled rolled homogeneous armor more than 1500 mm thick at a distance of 150 meters. These shots include a core with a diameter of 12,7 mm, which is fixed by a moving pallet with a diameter of 40 mm. The design of the heart-pallet weighs 450 g and the projectile has an initial velocity of 1500 m / s. Higher declared speeds of the order of 1730 m / s are possible due to the use of compressed explosives. Later, STAI provided new figures for ammunition (APFSDS-T). Projectile weight - 550 g, muzzle velocity - 1480 m / s and the breakdown force with respect to rolled homogeneous armor is estimated to be slightly more than 140 mm at a distance of 1,5 km.

      The second GPR-T round has an explosive mass of the order of 350 g with a projectile mass of 980 g and a muzzle velocity of the order of 1010 m / s. It contains 115 g of an inert blasting explosive designed to both explode and naturally form fragments covering an average effective area of ​​125 m2 (probabilistic destructive force> 0,5Pi). To perform the function of an air explosion, this multipurpose shot, along with a mechanical fuse and a platoon device, is additionally equipped with a programmable inductive timer. "They will blow to the devil both BMP 2 and BMP 3, even tanks with 20-30 rounds and a khan tank.
  8. 0
    18 June 2018 09: 28
    Regarding sophisticated tanks like EMBT -
    - their number, if it differs from zero, is not very much ..
    In addition, after the destruction of attachments on it (which is accessible to any means of destruction), it becomes a pile of scrap metal.
  9. +4
    18 June 2018 10: 43
    The venerable Mr. Damantsev is an excellent observer of military equipment. In order to not so boring to bring the performance characteristics of a particular product requires remarkable talent. In my words there is not a drop of sarcasm! I just want to note that in my opinion, the author is a graduate of the old traditional Soviet school of journalism. There, at one time, they were able to present the material so ideologically tolerated that any reader had no doubt that 1 kilogram contained 1000 grams solely due to the loyal and peace-loving course of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. What journalists wouldn’t say about milk yields, oats harvests, or rainy weather, the texts began with ritual spells containing, depending on the situation and necessity, curses against the imperialists, or a health center in honor of the CPSU. I will show it on the example of articles about Israel. This topic is more familiar to me. For example, the journal MO "Foreign Military Review" began his article on the Israeli military-industrial complex as follows:
    "Israel’s military-political leadership, with the goal of ensuring its aggressive foreign policy that impedes a fair resolution of the conflict in the Middle East and the establishment of a lasting peace in the area, along with receiving military" aid "under the program and purchasing large quantities of weapons and military equipment in the United States. military base. "
    Then came a completely normal text listing the brands of military equipment produced, their performance characteristics, examples of use in theaters, etc.
    Or here: the article about the Israeli tactical fighter "Kfir" began with the following benediction:
    “Following the course of an aggressive policy, Israel is constantly increasing the power of its armed forces. Despite receiving a large number of weapons and military equipment from the United States and some other capitalist states, Tel Aviv invaders are developing their own military industry.”
    Next came the TTX, photos, technical details, etc.
    The article "Tactics of Israeli aviation strike groups":
    "In the Arab-Israeli war 1973 of the year, as in previous military conflicts in the Middle East, the military of Tel Aviv played the role of an instrument of international imperialism, which encouraged and generously financed its aggressive actions."
    And further, quite natural:
    "Until now, the pages of the foreign military press publish materials that examine the course and results of this war. Considerable attention is paid to the combat use of aviation units equipped with modern aircraft. Analysis of these materials gives an idea of ​​the tactics of Israeli aviation ... "

    Reached anecdotal situations:
    "According to bourgeois military expertsIn cases where it is necessary to reduce the number of troops in peacetime, this reduction should be reasonable, and the system of mobilization and transfer of troops should be proven and effective. In order to avoid unexpected development of events it is necessary: ​​to have good intelligence; maximize the mobility of parts and connections; have a reliable and efficient communication system; in an emergency situation, give the right to the military command to carry out a partial reinforcement of the troops even before the decision is taken by the military-political leadership.
    Analyzing the conduct of hostilities by the parties during the war, Western military experts emphasize the need to maintain high rates of advance throughout the operation, to preserve the decisiveness of the actions of the troops, the ability to quickly consolidate on the achieved lines and bridgeheads, in order to prevent the enemy from strengthening the defending group. They concludethat ground forces should be able to perform offensive tasks regardless of the presence of a stationary air defense system and air cover. To do this, they must have a mobile and a combined air defense system, including anti-aircraft missiles and artillery anti-aircraft guns, as well as a fairly powerful self-propelled field artillery and operational-tactical missiles. "
    And the Soviet experts that came to different conclusions, considered it all wrong and did the opposite?
    I'm all for what? Cool batch of ideological clichés and TTX make articles of this kind ridiculous. Since then, more than forty years have passed, it's time to change something in the style of presentation. hi
    1. +2
      18 June 2018 11: 32
      Why did you hang this sheet here?
      Quote: A. Privalov
      A steep mix of ideological cliches and TTX make articles of this kind simply ridiculous.

      It seems like ideological cliches are not visible in this article - if I am mistaken, refute the quote.
      Do you need to fulfill the plan for the volume of text?
    2. +1
      18 June 2018 13: 45
      I also remember these specifically Soviet turns of speech.
      Cool! good
      1. +2
        18 June 2018 16: 23
        Quote: voyaka uh
        I also remember these specifically Soviet turns of speech.
        Cool! good

        Well done, religious obscurantists, praise each other on level ground under a pretext sucked from a finger.
  10. +3
    18 June 2018 11: 22
    An article in the course of Nonsense. Pursuit of what? For the "Armata"? She is? Armed? How many units? TTX real? There is nothing? Prototype? What is the pursuit of?
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 12: 02
      Quote: 1970mk
      There is nothing? Prototype? What is the pursuit of?

      And what does the chase begin only when the opponent begins mass production? Or maybe it's too late to catch up?
      1. 0
        18 June 2018 12: 04
        Catching up with what is NOT simply impossible ... because of NO IT!
        1. +5
          18 June 2018 12: 19
          Quote: 1970mk
          Catching up with what is NOT simply impossible ... because of NO IT!

          Well, yes, yes, and there is no Crimean bridge)))
  11. +5
    18 June 2018 11: 36
    "Than the enemy will try to defeat the T-14 and T-15 ..."
  12. 0
    18 June 2018 14: 41
    Smart device hi
  13. +1
    18 June 2018 15: 08
    So far, these are just commercial models. When it will be in mass production, and even verified in practice, it will be possible to talk about something. And now we state that the partners are trying to create something. Let's see .. what
  14. 0
    18 June 2018 15: 28
    Happy Holidays! smile
    http://www.calend.ru/holidays/0/0/3458/
  15. 0
    18 June 2018 18: 22
    There are already weapons against T-14 tanks in the west - ATGM MMP
    1. +1
      18 June 2018 23: 49
      Come on?))) And there are also helicopters, planes and other equipment that carries no less dangerous products for the destruction of tanks. Comparing a tank as a unit of a battlefield and an ATGM is like ... Well, like a soldier against a new bullet from a pistol. Stupid and fun at the same time. Sometimes it seems to me that everyone presents a modern battle as wall to wall, when everything is calculated by those who have more time to burn))) it's like with javelins in the Donbas. Persistently for months everyone has been discussing how dangerous this complex is. At the same time, it seemed step-by-step that the battle looked like this: cars were driving and then he appeared in the field from around the corner and gouged the entire column)))
      1. 0
        19 June 2018 00: 49
        Airplanes will not fly - like in the Donbass, since there will be air defense, a semi-guerrilla war in which the multi-functional ATGM is the very thing: to shoot down helicopters, destroy armored vehicles, roadblocks, fortifications and much more.
    2. 0
      20 June 2018 11: 26
      I think both the Cornet and the TOU of the latest versions when it gets into the T-14 will destroy it. Without KAZ. the question will only survive the crew or not ?!
  16. 0
    18 June 2018 19: 16
    a set of words.
  17. 0
    18 June 2018 21: 16
    and the engine power in 1140 hp from Liebherr has noticeably large dimensions, which requires much more internal space than the 600-strong 6-cylinder Daimler-Benz MB833 diesel engine.


    If desired, it will be possible to supply a smaller engine from MTU 10V-890 with a power of 1250 hp.
  18. +1
    19 June 2018 01: 52
    Why chase after Armata? Its main feature is crew security and the ability to create a remotely controlled tank. This tank will be destroyed just like any tank now, just the crew has more chances to survive.
  19. 0
    19 June 2018 05: 00
    I remember once in the still Soviet Kharkov, we constantly fought with cadets of the tank school. They are to us: stsuki, plywood! We told them: stsuki, fuel oil, trucks! About 30 years have passed since then, and hostility on a subconscious level is still alive. Let these "trucks" wet each other, let them wet both the airborne forces and the anti-tank systems, and even the arrows of Zeus the Thunderer. Though theirs, even ours. The main thing is that all tankers, in the words of Leiba Bronstein-Trotsky, be "destroyed as a class"
  20. +2
    19 June 2018 07: 14
    Another "cat" was not very impressed. The armor protection probably increased slightly compared to the Puma, because an increase in weight of 6 tons will go to protect the inhabited tower. As a result, protection is lower than that of a tank, but higher than that of any BMP, but in some battle formations you can’t start up with tanks, they will be knocked out first. The transfer of the cooling system to the stern is associated with the installation of a more powerful and, accordingly, with increased engine sizes. A lot of time is devoted to the exit in the article, although the solution and its purpose is known since BMP-1 - to get a protected exit for the landing. The presented sample is more reminiscent of the layout, rather than a real sample.
    As for the joint production tank, another tank appeared with three crew members and there is nothing new in this tank, because stacked cubes 25-30 years ago.