Military Review

What awaits the Black Sea Fleet of Russia

109
The Black Sea Fleet of Russia is the operational and strategic association of the Russian Navy in the Black Sea. Main base fleet is Sevastopol, located on the territory of the Crimean peninsula, owned by Ukraine. To fulfill the tasks assigned to the fleet, its composition should include surface ships for operations in the ocean and near sea zones, diesel submarines, as well as marine missile, anti-submarine and fighter aviation and a number of units of coastal troops. Despite the fact that the Black Sea Fleet can be attributed to one of the country's most belligerent fleets, it never stood out for its special combat power. Along with this, the collapse of the USSR in 1991 and the subsequent division of the fleet between Russia and Ukraine significantly undermined its combat capabilities. Over the past 20 years, the combat strength of the fleet has decreased by almost 20 times.


Fleet past

According to a number of experts, even the relatively civilized section of the Black Sea Fleet would completely undermine its combat capability, since even in Soviet times this fleet did not have outstanding combat potential, for which the naval wits in the Ukrainian manner deciphered its abbreviation as “Ch Flot, fleet”, This joke in 2012 sounds even more relevant than before. Whatever the composition of the fleet during the existence of the USSR, it numbered 835 ships and vessels of almost all existing classes that served military and civilian personnel around 100, and was a force to be reckoned with. In the water area of ​​the Black Sea, more than 000 combat ships were deployed in full combat readiness, of which 400 belonged to impact surface forces. The fleet included 45 helicopter cruisers - "Leningrad" and "Moscow", 2 bomber with nuclear weaponsThe 10 strike ships and 30 missile frigates.
What awaits the Black Sea Fleet of Russia
GRKR "Moscow" - the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet

The underwater component of the Black Sea fleet has always been its underwater component, which consisted of 26 diesel submarines belonging to obsolete types. It was believed that this weakness is fully compensated by the air component. The fleet had more than 400 aircraft and helicopters, of which 140 could carry nuclear weapons on board and solve combat missions at a considerable distance from their bases. Also in the fleet was a brigade of marines deployed in Sevastopol, part of the coastal defense - a motorized division in Simferopol. Fleet personnel consisted of 75 000 officers and sailors. In its combat power, the Soviet Black Sea Fleet certainly exceeded its only “opponent” in the region - the Turkish Navy.

In the Mediterranean Sea in a state of constant alert, the forces of a separate Mediterranean squadron were deployed. Each year, the ships and fleet ships exited through the straits to the Mediterranean basin, its home network stretched from Izmail to Batumi, parts of the fleet were scattered over a large area, including Ukraine, the Crimea, Moldova, Russia and Georgia. By the beginning of 100, the value of the whole property of the Black Sea Fleet was more than 1992 billion US dollars.

Real Navy

Modern realities are such that Ukraine actually has no fleet, completely destroying almost all the ships that it inherited after the division of the Soviet Black Sea Fleet. Unfortunately, Russia, which for all the last 20 years has not commissioned a single modern ship of the 1 and 2 ranks, has not far gone away in this matter. This state of affairs was due to the economic weakness of the two states, especially Ukraine. Both states have allowed the loss of their productive capacity, breaking the cooperation of leading industrial enterprises and design bureaus. It should be understood that the fleet is a very expensive type of aircraft. Its content requires huge financial resources from the state. It is no coincidence that there is such a popular expression: “To destroy a small country, present it to a cruiser.”
BOD "Kerch"

The unstable economic situation of Russia has led to the fact that at present the Black Sea Fleet is a fleet with virtually no aircraft and submarines (the fleet includes 2 of old diesel submarines of the B-380 and B-871 "Alrosa" projects) missile cruiser "Moscow", which for 30 years of his service did not become newer. In its current state, the Black Sea Fleet increasingly resembles a flotilla, having warships of various classes in 40. The flagship of the fleet remains the missile cruiser "Moscow". It consists of 2 large anti-submarine ships, 3 patrol, as well as various small reconnaissance and rocket ships, landing and rescue ships, sea trawlers. The service life of most of them is 30-40 years. A kind of symbol of the fleet, in every sense of the word, can be called the rescue ship "Commune", which in the 2013 year marks 100 years. And although this ship has been modernized and today is equipped with an underwater robot Seaeye Panther Plus, it is quite difficult to call it a serious enhancement by the Black Sea Fleet. According to a number of experts, the Black Sea Fleet must be restored almost from scratch.

The main striking force of the fleet today can be called the 11 brigade of anti-submarine ships, which consists of the largest 5 units with the greatest combat capabilities. The brigade includes the flagship of the fleet Guards missile cruiser (GRKR) "Moscow" (in the fleet from 1983 of the year), a large anti-submarine ship (BOD) "Kerch" (in the fleet from 1975 of the year), patrol ships (SKR) "Smart" , "Ladny", "Inquisitive" (included in the fleet in 1969, 1981 and 1982, respectively).
Rescue ship "Commune"

It should also be noted that the Russian presence in the Black Sea region would not be complete without naval aviation. Today, the Russian Black Sea Fleet has approximately 35 aircraft and 20 helicopters. The fleet includes an assault air regiment armed with Su-24 front-line bombers (20 vehicles), as well as a separate mixed aviation regiment with anti-amphibious aircraft Be-12, military transport aircraft and Mi-8 helicopters. In addition, there is a separate 25 th anti-submarine helicopter regiment, equipped with ship Ka-27, sea Mi-8 and Mi-14. The total number of the Black Sea Fleet of Russia in the Crimea today is estimated at 14 000 people.

Future fleet

The Russian Black Sea Fleet suffered various changes during the various transformations and the collapse of the Union in 1991. Currently, this fleet is promised rapid development and delivery of a large number of modern warships (large by today's standards). So far these are only promises. For their implementation (or failure) we can all follow in the coming years. It is important to understand that in the formation of the fleet an important role is played by the tasks that will face it in the next 10-20 years. In the next decade, the Russian Black Sea Fleet will most likely have to solve the following range of tasks: protection of internal and territorial waters, support for land operations in the Black Sea region, protection of sea communications in the near and far sea and ocean zones, as well as diplomatic missions.
Amphibious aircraft Be-12

To solve these problems, the existing number of ships is enough, but they all need to be updated. Current fleet missions involve the creation of a fleet core from small (low-cost) rocket ships (the so-called “mosquito” fleet), which can cover base areas and internal waters, as well as small landing operations. For single trips to the Mediterranean region, the fleet will need several ships of 1-2 rank. To create a search and attack tactical grouping that will be able to counteract large enemy enemy ship formations, you need rank 1-2 multipurpose ships (mainly 2), which will be able to solve anti-submarine missions and provide cover for amphibious fleet operations. It is quite obvious that in the near future Russia is not going to build a fleet that could withstand the sixth US fleet, which feels itself the master in the Mediterranean. In order to deploy permanent combat duty in this region, huge amounts of money are needed, which Russia simply does not have at this stage of its development.

A radical renewal of the Black Sea Fleet is planned to be carried out as part of the state armaments program, calculated up to the 2020 year. During this period, the fleet must be replenished with 6-th new frigates of the 1135.6 project, 6-th modern diesel submarines of the 636.3 project, the same number of CKR of the 20385 project (must be commissioned before the 2017-2018 of the year), and also 10-th new rocket and small artillery ships belonging to new generations. By 2025-2030, the fleet should have in its composition 35-40 modern warships.
Diesel submarine project 636 "Varshavyanka"

According to fleet commander Rear Admiral Alexander Fedotenkov, submarines of the 636 project have already been laid at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg and will come to the fleet before 2017. The fleet expects to receive the first three boats in 2014 a year, another one in 2015 and the remaining two in 2016. All these boats will be the main for the creation in the fleet of a full-fledged submarine brigade, which will be based in Novorossiysk, where a new fleet base is being built and in Sevastopol.

Any modern fleet is impossible to imagine without the aviation component. When the outdated Be-12 seaplanes built back in the 1960-s are hard to say, it is hard to replace the already-aged Su-24М bombers released in 1970-80-s already not far off. The strike component of the fleet will be updated due to the 12 multipurpose fighter Su-30CM. This aircraft is a modification of the Su-30MKI aircraft, a fighter plane that was specially designed for the Indian Air Force. Russian modification of the machine will receive a number of systems of western production, but at the same time the capabilities of the aircraft on the use of Russian aircraft armament will be expanded. The upcoming purchase of the Su-30CM pursues the same goal as the construction of frigates, patrol ships, submarines: this is a system update of all the most important elements of the fleet's combat potential. A squadron of modern multi-role fighters that can carry supersonic anti-ship missiles can significantly increase the combat potential of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. If it speaks about the renewal of the helicopter fleet, there should not be any particular problems, especially given the growth rates that Russian enterprises demonstrate.
BDK "Ivan Gren" at the stage of construction 2011 year

The situation is relatively good with the marines. Today, there is a crew of about 3000 people in the fleet. This compound can solve problems of the most different kinds: from participation in peacekeeping operations and the protection of the fleet in its main base, to the military actions of the army in the coastal direction. Only big landing ships, which currently have 7 units in the fleet: 3 obsolete 1171 BDK, which were commissioned from 1966 to 1975 year and 4 of Polish-built 775 landing craft, which were put into operation in 1986 -1991's.

Airborne helicopter-carrying docks "Mistral" acquired by Russia from France, if they appear on the Black Sea, it is only for propaganda or educational purposes. Placing ships with a cruising range of 20 000 nautical miles and months of autonomy for permanent service in the “pool” of the Black Sea does not have any meaning. Replace the Black Sea BDK need ships of the same class. The construction of the lead ship of the 11711 project, bearing the name of Ivan Gren, is nearing completion, it is expected that the new BDK will be launched in May 2012 and will be part of the fleet in 2014. To date, there is information about the construction for the Russian Navy 6 ships of this class.

Sources used:
www.flot2017.com/item/analitics/41033
www.ria.ru/interview/20120206/558480976.html
www.sevpatriot.ru/stati/budushee-flota
www.izvestia.ru/news/504397
www.flot.com/nowadays/structure/black/bsfisdying.htm
Author:
Photos used:
http://kchf.ru
109 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Tsim
    Tsim 5 May 2012 08: 43
    +11
    It is very good that the ships began to build. and as you can see, the volume of construction needs only to be increased.
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 5 May 2012 09: 32
      +8
      I think that this summer will be marked by intensive "butting" of Ukraine and Russia around the Black Sea Fleet in an attempt to reduce the price of Russian gas. Yanukovych is awaiting Putin's inauguration and is going to talk toughly with him about the gas price, threatening to denounce the Kharkiv agreements (he has repeatedly stated this).
      An interesting partnership, international treaties are signed, but reservations and attempts to revise them immediately begin winked
      1. pepper
        pepper 5 May 2012 11: 47
        0
        Gentlemen, we are exporting all this scrap metal to Mother Russia, and Ukraine is making a regional-level resort from Sevastopol! Everyone is happy and content. good
      2. VAF
        VAF 5 May 2012 12: 16
        +7
        Quote: Aleksey67
        Interesting partnership, p


        So about INTELLIGENCE - its complete absence led to the consequences that we have in the aviation losses suffered in August 2008.

        1. 30th Airborne Division of the Black Sea Fleet (Saki airfield).
        The 30th regiment was disbanded in July 1995, in accordance with the general reduction plan of the Russian Armed Forces.

        The main tasks of the regiment were:

        1. Doing aerial reconnaissance (BP) at the South European theater (South European theater). The SUE theater sector included 3 NATO countries: Turkey, Greece, Italy with their adjacent seas (Black, Marmara, Ionian, Eastern Mediterranean, etc.).

        Aerial reconnaissance included: visual, photo reconnaissance, radar and radio reconnaissance.

        2. Participation in the exercises of the Black Sea Fleet, Navy of the USSR, and the Ministry of Defense of the USSR with the aim of training the regiment’s units in interacting with ships and submarines of the Black Sea Fleet, with other arms of the USSR and aviation in socialist countries.

        Improving the skill of hp, as well as participating in numerous research and testing of weapons.
      3. Bat1stuta
        Bat1stuta 5 May 2012 17: 28
        +7
        Quote: Aleksey67
        Yanukovych is waiting for Putin’s inauguration and is going to talk tough with him

        and the belly button will not get loose talking to Putin HARD? lol
      4. Zynaps
        Zynaps 5 May 2012 21: 33
        -4
        Quote: Aleksey67
        An interesting partnership, international treaties are signed, but reservations and attempts to revise them immediately begin


        but nothing that the gas contract was signed with the thief Tymoshenko and is clearly corrupt? For this contract, the Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation dropped all charges on the thieves' cases of Skolopendra from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. the bottom line is that according to the gas contract, Ukraine must buy more gas than it needs (48% of the gas Ukraine covers through domestic production). and for unselected gas you have to pay a substantial penalty (billions have already been paid). and this is not out of the pocket of a thief, but the population pays. because high-quality Ukrainian gas is used for steel and chemical industry, and the population is sold transit "Turkmen" gas, which is in fact of very low quality.

        and what, you want to say that the Navy Sevastopol and Russian influence in Ukraine
        are cheaper than Tymoshenko’s selfish interests with Gazprom?
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 5 May 2012 21: 47
          +5
          Quote: Zynaps
          but nothing that the gas agreement was signed with the thief Tymoshenko

          The agreement was signed by Prime Minister of Ukraine Tymoshenko
          Quote: Zynaps
          is clearly corrupt

          links to the studio, is there a decision of the Stockholm court?
          Quote: Zynaps
          For this contract, the Prosecutor’s Office of the Russian Federation withdrew all charges on the thieves of Skolopendra’s affairs with the Russian Defense Ministry

          I ask you to show evidence !!! What threatened Russia with the Prime Minister of Ukraine? By arrest? This is a direct declaration of war.
          Quote: Zynaps
          under a gas agreement Ukraine should buy more gas than it needs

          If Ukraine wanted to cash in on the resale of Russian gas, but broke off, what does Russia have to do with it?
          Quote: Zynaps
          and the population is being sold transit "Turkmen" gas, which in fact is of very low quality.

          Turkmen gas has not been flowing for a long time and it used to be replaced: Russia Turkmen gas was used in Russia, and Russian gas was supplied to Ukraine, Yushchenko closed this scheme
          Quote: Zynaps
          Navy Sevastopol and Russian influence in Ukraine are cheaper than Tymoshenko’s selfish interests with Gazprom

          I don’t appreciate Sevastopol, Russia paid for it with the lives of citizens, and we don’t change people for money
          1. Zynaps
            Zynaps 5 May 2012 22: 33
            -4
            children, why don't you like to listen to things that are unpleasant for you. lick each other - purely kittens.

            Quote: Aleksey67
            The agreement was signed by Prime Minister of Ukraine Tymoshenko


            to which the Prosecutor’s Office opened a criminal case on corruption deals with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. or are Russian sources lying?

            Quote: Aleksey67
            links to the studio, is there a decision of the Stockholm court?


            and nahoeker you the decision of the Stockholm court, when there is a priority of domestic law over other things?

            Quote: Aleksey67
            I ask you to show evidence !!! What threatened Russia with the Prime Minister of Ukraine? By arrest? This is a direct declaration of war.


            poor, poor Russia !!! to abolish a corruption deal with a gas thief is a direct declaration of war. you would be so sharp with the Washington regional committee ...

            Quote: Aleksey67
            Turkmen gas has not been flowing for a long time and it used to be replaced: Russia Turkmen gas was used in Russia, and Russian gas was supplied to Ukraine, Yushchenko closed this scheme


            According to the information I have from our gas traders, it is precisely "Turkmen" gas of unknown origin that is supplied to Ukraine, since all Russian gas has been contracted for three five years in advance. how are you sorting out the nationality of gas molecules - I have no idea.

            Quote: Aleksey67
            I don’t appreciate Sevastopol, Russia paid for it with the lives of citizens, and we don’t change people for money


            Yes Yes. and the Kiev sidelings for VMB regularly bring money. and people sideways. then another country paid with the lives of citizens for two defense of Sevastopol, but not the Russian Federation.

            and they like to crack grandiloquent phrases under teenage applause ...
            1. Odinplys
              Odinplys 6 May 2012 03: 40
              +1
              Zynaps,
              Bendera ... some ...
        2. Odinplys
          Odinplys 6 May 2012 03: 34
          +8
          Zynaps,
          Firstly, it’s hard to talk with Putin ... in fact, the navel will be untied ...
          Secondly, Crimea ... this is the territory of Russia ... Khrushchev’s decision will not work here ...
          And thirdly, Kievan Rus ... This is our Russia ... And it's time not to argue ... but to return to the house of the Slavic Peoples ...
        3. nemo778
          nemo778 7 May 2012 06: 14
          -4
          Still!!! There will be better gas !!! If you all bite together SALA !!! AND FINGER IN THE PIPE! fellow
      5. gojesi
        gojesi 6 May 2012 01: 48
        +1
        Quote: Aleksey67
        Yanukovych is waiting for Putin’s inauguration and is going to talk tough with him

        Alexei!!! I beg you ... admire!
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFAt-43woGQ
        This pepper is cooler than Sahaki ... And now it’s cool to talk only with its oligarchs ... there’s no one else ...
      6. Fidain
        Fidain 6 May 2012 02: 19
        0
        Yesli Ukraina ili Belarusia ne poimut chto nelza bit netralnoi storonoi a nado kak Briti v lyubom sluche Rasiyu poderzhivat, to iza etix razdorov oni bolshe navredyat i razitiyu svoix stran i otnasheniam s Rassii.
        No yesli v svoyu ochered Rasiya ne perestanit kidat svoi soyuznikov, to astaneca odna i mechto NATO, USA i Anglechan ispolnica Rasiya razvalica ...
    2. VAF
      VAF 5 May 2012 12: 12
      +6
      Quote: Tsim
      It is very good that the ships began to build.


      This is true because Black Sea Fleet, may the sailors forgive me. this is already ....., to my great regret!

      But as a person connected all his life with aviation, I will dwell specifically on this, one of the inalienable part of the fleet - this is the Aviation of the Black Sea Fleet, or rather its former power.

      About what is now, I have recently expressed myself "pitiful remnants", so Yaroslav "branded shame", but what remains of the former power is indicated by the author in the article:

      The 43rd Separate Naval Assault Aviation Squadron (OMSAE) of the Black Sea Fleet, based at the Guards airfield, has 18 Su-24M and 4 Su-24MR (as there are more than 22 low-flying aircraft !!!)

      And by the time of the collapse of the USSR in 1991, the powerful naval aviation of the Soviet Navy consisted of 1702 aircraft, including 372 long-range bombers equipped with anti-ship cruise missiles, 966 tactical combat aircraft and 455 helicopters. These aircraft constituted the combat power of 52 aviation regiments and ten separate squadrons and groups
      1. TRex
        TRex 5 May 2012 12: 32
        +4
        Veteran! After these figures, I imagine your reaction when they broadcast about several unique airbases of some sort that all the country's air forces managed to cram ...
        1. VAF
          VAF 5 May 2012 13: 53
          +5
          Quote: TRex
          After these figures, I imagine your reaction,


          Yes, you're right, reaction, to put it mildly .... not ale !!! am

          But more recently, as I recall, they went to the Turks as if they were going home !!!

          And they were afraid and respected us definitely !!!
      2. Berkut_64
        Berkut_64 5 May 2012 13: 35
        +2
        All that remains of the Black Sea Fleet aviation is one air base of three squadrons, the author uses the data as of July 31, 2009. By type, too, he wrote too much. Mi14 back in 1997. were prematurely sent to second raw materials. So compare with the data of the veteran of the Air Force
        1. VAF
          VAF 5 May 2012 14: 18
          +3
          Quote: Berkut_64
          All that remains of the Black Sea Fleet aviation is one air base of three squadrons


          Almost it is, +! Guards and Kacha!

          in the Guards:

          43rd Separate Naval Assault Aviation Squadron

          917th Separate Mixed Aviation Regiment

          in Kache:

          25th Separate Naval Anti-Submarine Helicopter Regiment
          1. Berkut_64
            Berkut_64 5 May 2012 19: 01
            0
            So you probably don’t know all of the above deserved units disbanded and one air base based on the Guards and on Kach was formed on their basis. Photo by the way of the Simferopol aerodrome, Guards slightly higher (the old strip with courses 6-186 and the new 9-189 parallel to Guards)
            1. VAF
              VAF 5 May 2012 21: 19
              +2
              Quote: Berkut_64
              So you probably aren’t up to date all the deserved parts listed are disbanded


              No, you just inattentively read my comments!

              I gave examples of what was from the MPA and ODRAP at the Black Sea Fleet, instead of today's one 43rd OMSHAE!

              And in the photo Simferopol with a spare strip for Buran, Guards almost climbed in, but I wanted everything together!
            2. VAF
              VAF 5 May 2012 22: 47
              +4
              Quote: Berkut_64
              Guards slightly higher (the old lane with courses 6-186 and the new 9-189 parallel to the Guards)


              And what you call a new strip with MK 9-189 for the civilian Central was an old reserve strip for Buran!

              A minus for what?

              Now the photos are together and the Guard and Simferople are central!
              1. Berkut_64
                Berkut_64 5 May 2012 23: 27
                +2
                Dear minus, I didn’t set there were lags with no, maybe the cursor climbed somehow. Yes, confirm Air. Guards and airfield Simferopol. The new lane created a lot of difficulties for the guards, as a very small distance between the axes of the lanes.
                1. VAF
                  VAF 5 May 2012 23: 44
                  +4
                  Quote: Berkut_64
                  The new lane created a lot of difficulties for the guards, as a very small distance between the axes of the lanes.


                  I hardly believe in this, because. in Vladimirovka, the strip is generally practically close and the fighter and "long" and the near one is distant for the other and it happened side by side and overtaking a large one, and nothing!

                  And here, almost as many as 3 versts, almost an eternity!

                  And you are a plus!
                  And a photo of the "guardsmen" as a keepsake!
                  1. Berkut_64
                    Berkut_64 6 May 2012 15: 19
                    +2
                    Here you have a photo of the guards, parking arriving.
                    And the problem is the organization of air traffic and the priority of the civil sector. The planned is based on the airport schedule. We even because of this route extended to Anapa bypassing the CTR airport.
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 6 May 2012 15: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: Berkut_64
                      And the problem is the organization of air traffic and the priority of the civil sector.


                      Thank you, +!

                      But I wonder what "citizens" are in your "favor"?

                      Where have I just not been, it has always been the other way around, even on joint basis ?! drinks
                      1. Berkut_64
                        Berkut_64 7 May 2012 18: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: veteran.air force
                        But it is interesting that you have "citizens" in "fav


                        This happened when Ukraine switched to ICAO standards and abolished the military sector. Yes, and the Black Sea Fleet is not the owner but only the tenant, and therefore we adapt to the conditions that we are exposed to.
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 23 June 2012 07: 24
                        -2
                        Sorry for the intervention of the Golden Eagle!
                        I am a little versed in ICAO standards!
                        As far as I know, almost all European countries, including Russia (by the way, one of the official languages ​​of ICAO-Russian) are ICAO standards!
                        And the two largest ICAO training centers located in Russia and Ukraine (had the honor to visit both!)
                        Did you mean the impossibility of using Civil Airports by the military ??
                        There a little bit wrong!
                      3. Berkut_64
                        Berkut_64 23 June 2012 16: 29
                        0
                        No, we are talking about priorities and the priority is just for civilians, and since the Guards airdrome and Simferopol airport (central) are located very close to comply with the rules of lateral, longitudinal separation, priority is given to civilians.
    3. Liliputin
      Liliputin 6 May 2012 22: 26
      0
      Given the existing pace of construction, even newly-built ships will still be considered obsolete .... you need to face the truth - the shipbuilding industry of the Russian Federation is ruined!
  2. Senzey
    Senzey 5 May 2012 09: 08
    +3
    More pleased with the construction of a new base in Novorossiysk.

    More pleased with the construction of a new base in Novorossiysk.
    1. VAF
      VAF 5 May 2012 12: 17
      +3
      Quote: SenZey
      More pleased with the construction of a new base


      The regiment was equipped with 3 squadrons: 1st AE - RTR aircraft, 2nd AE - bomber aircraft, 3rd AE - jamming aircraft.

      1) Maintain BP

      Maintaining BP included:

      A. Permanent BP (autopsy of the marine environment in the area of ​​the SE of the theater of operations every flight day)

      B. Urgent Verkhovna Rada in the Black Sea region (usually by order of the Black Sea Fleet Command, when the World Cup included warships of NATO countries).
    2. morehod73
      morehod73 6 May 2012 12: 00
      0
      To "please" you need to go there. In terms of its NGMU and, most importantly, the presence of a port with a lot of money (and our top officials) and the absence of an acceptable basing system, which should created, according to statements by 2012, there is nothing for ships to do. So for the near future, there is simply no alternative to Sevastopol, unfortunately, and maybe not.
    3. Ace Ventura
      Ace Ventura 11 May 2012 00: 34
      0
      Residents of Sevastopol is not happy at all.
      1. Berkut_64
        Berkut_64 11 May 2012 00: 37
        0
        What specifically does not please the residents of Sevastopol.
        1. Ace Ventura
          Ace Ventura 11 May 2012 02: 03
          0
          Loss of communication with Russia. I don't know how, for example, residents of Odessa or residents of Krivoy Rog, etc., live, but we have our own "specifics". The overwhelming majority of residents of practically all relatives have it in Russia, in most families, moreover, there are military personnel or those associated with the troops, at least someone - a husband, father, brother or uncle, etc.
          1. Berkut_64
            Berkut_64 11 May 2012 10: 14
            0
            To do this, close the border. And the structure of the Novorossiysk base will not allow the entire fleet to be deployed. Very expensive work on the construction of berths, so the fleet in Sevastopol for a long time.
  3. crusader
    crusader 5 May 2012 09: 21
    +6
    right now in novrossa they are building a new port for the navy)))) but the guys all said that in the USSR the ratio of the navy of the ussr and the navy of turkey was black sea xnumx: xnumx ... and right now xnumx: xnumx ..... and everyone is waiting for a new one)))
    1. VAF
      VAF 5 May 2012 12: 19
      +7
      Quote: Crusader
      in the USSR, the ratio of the Navy of the USSR and the Navy of Turkey is the Black Sea


      A. The permanent BP of the 30th regiment was conducted during regular regular flights when flying along the standard route with all the crews that flew that day. For this purpose, a route was laid that ran along the state borders of Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey.


      Often flights were made to Bulgaria and Romania (usually without landing).

      In the western part of Bulgaria, a marine situation was discovered on the airborne radar off the coast of Greece and Italy, and RTR stations determined the operation of all RTS in the area.

      B. The urgent BP regiment carried out on the orders of the Black Sea Fleet Command at the entry of warships of NATO countries into the Black Sea.
      Such calls occur every year, usually in February-March, when the weather is most bad in this area (fogs, low clouds, poor visibility).
      As a rule, two ships of the US Navy (most often a frigate and a destroyer) come in. The Black Sea Fleet command established covert surveillance of them. Usually they were not far followed by a reconnaissance vessel disguised as a hydrographic vessel (GISU).
      "Americans" have always arranged some kind of "surprises", or rather, provocations.
      They will come quite close to the coast of the Crimea and launch an unmanned reconnaissance aircraft in the direction of the Crimea, thereby providing themselves with a complete check of all coastal means of our air defense.
      That, taking advantage of the move over GISU, they will make an unexpected maneuver and break away from observation.
      In all such cases, the Black Sea Fleet Command immediately turned to our reconnaissance regiment for help and we always helped find the ships of the “adversary” to identify and photograph them.
      In such cases, long-term photographing of the invading NATO ships was mandatory.
    2. gojesi
      gojesi 6 May 2012 01: 53
      0
      well, Skobelev had a ratio of 1: 5 when he beat a Turk. So "not by number but by skill" and ... valor!
  4. TRex
    TRex 5 May 2012 09: 46
    +4
    I would like to correct the author - the fleet included two anti-submarine cruisers (ASC) "Moscow" and "Leningrad", but not "missile aircraft carrier ..."
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 5 May 2012 09: 46
    +3
    Unfortunately, Russia is not ready for real battles on the Black Sea, and the reality is that a theater of operations is possible in the southern part of the country and surrounding areas.
    To the editor:
    Under the photo BDK "Ivan Gray"
    Article bearing the name "Ivan Gren"

    So Gray or Gren ??????????????? 7
    1. EJIEKTPOBO3
      EJIEKTPOBO3 5 May 2012 10: 41
      +2
      Ivan Gren

      photo caption - error
  6. Hey
    Hey 5 May 2012 09: 57
    +3
    It might be right to place a large order for the construction of landing ships and auxiliary ships in Ukraine, in Nikolaev. I think that such a step would relieve tension between our states on issues of Sevastopol and gas prices.
    1. Vladimir 70
      Vladimir 70 5 May 2012 16: 52
      +4
      It might be right to place a large order for the construction of landing ships and auxiliary ships in Ukraine ....
      Although I myself am a Ukrainian (I am for the development and strong Ukraine), but I understand that Russia will not go in the near future to place orders for the construction of ships in Ukrainian shipyards and will be right! 1. Shipyards are looted, everything is cut into metal, there are no workers and engineers, there’s no need to talk about the construction time, 2. I need a lot of money to restore production. Who will invest? Ukraine has no money, Russia will not. Until Ukraine decides, Russia will push.
      1. Berkut_64
        Berkut_64 5 May 2012 22: 11
        +2
        Why a satisfactory condition went to Nikolaev, only the Russian side proposes to build buildings, and the installation of weapons and fillings is already at home. Ukraine also offers a full cycle with the installation of filling and weapons
  7. танк
    танк 5 May 2012 10: 01
    +10
    This was already in the century before last:


    Letter from Peter the Great to Menshikov
    I am sending one hundred rubles
    To build ships
    How do you get, give an answer
    Started to build or not

    Response to the letter

    Ninety three rubles
    Sipped and drank
    How do you get, give an answer
    Build on or not

    Letter from Peter the Great to Menshikov

    My king's will
    Know I do not know neither chewing
    Where did you drink ipl
    But so that there were ships

    So this remains true
    Secret All Russ.
    As with seven rubles money,
    The fleet was known by the enemies
    It has been with us since
    Where there is money, there is an ax,
    And a planer and a saw,
    Here are the things here.

    But still living in the blood
    How to build a better fleet
    For some seven rubles,
    Fear Russian ships.
  8. Greyfox
    Greyfox 5 May 2012 10: 13
    +4
    right now in novrossa they are building a new port for the navy)))) but the guys all said that in the USSR the ratio of the navy of the ussr and the navy of turkey was black sea xnumx: xnumx ... and right now xnumx: xnumx ..... and everyone is waiting for a new one)))

    It seems to me that the Turks are counted by the size of their entire Navy, and in addition to their even (today) relations in the Black Sea, there are a lot of real tensions in the Mediterranean (Greece, Cyprus, Syria and Israel). And so you can calculate all the NATO Navy.
    My opinion is that the fleet needs to be built in such a way that it doesn’t lead its own country into ruin, based on real threats, and not scaring itself with imaginary threats ....
  9. Col.
    Col. 5 May 2012 10: 37
    +9
    At the beginning of the article it is written that "To fulfill the tasks assigned to the fleet, it should include surface ships for operations in the ocean and near sea zones, diesel submarines, and marine missile, anti-submarine and fighter aircraft ... " They should, but the MPA in the Black Sea Fleet has long been gone and will not be. In Soviet times, the mrad (naval missile-carrying aviation division) was based in Vesyolye, Gvardeisky and Oktyabrsky on Tu-22m2 and Tu-22m3 aircraft. Cut everything! At the BF, the 57th mrad was also disbanded. The remains of the MRA from the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet were transferred to the Air Force. And now the ax has been brought over the Air Force! All according to plan! And they are pushing us "paper plans", rejoice, they say, guys. No, until this gang is thrown out of the Kremlin, the country and the army will have no prospects!
    1. VAF
      VAF 5 May 2012 13: 20
      +5
      Quote: Colonel
      In Soviet times, the mrad was based in Vesyoloy, Gvardeisky and Oktyabrsky (naval missile-carrying aviation division)


      Andrei, then I'll "stick" to you, otherwise everyone is writing about the ships, and I'm developing the topic of the Black Sea Fleet Aviation, and here you are just on this topic.

      So, with the reconnaissance "finished", we turn to the MRA - to the naval missile-carrying aviation, which was based on regiments of 2 guards mrad:

      Guards, division headquarters, airbase was used by all regiments, 2 AE 30 ODRAP (TU-22K), 43 OMIAP-Su-17M3) and Tu-22M3 were based
  10. Ataturk
    Ataturk 5 May 2012 10: 45
    +1
    Guys, I have a question for you.
    Russia can build beautiful warships. One of the best. Including weapons. Why the government of Russia has never built Aircraft carriers but only Aircraft carriers.

    I can’t believe that Russia is not able to build an excellent aircraft carrier.

    Sorry to spend money? Or corrupt to the west do not allow? Or what is the reason behind this?
    1. borisst64
      borisst64 5 May 2012 13: 04
      +5
      An aircraft carrier, in addition to aircraft, has virtually no weapons, therefore escort of several dozen ships is required. Well and most importantly, you can defend yourself from ground-based airfields, but to destroy states on the other side of the planet is the task of aircraft carriers.
      And about the BSF I’ll say:
      -Sevastopol is proud that they have the Black Sea Fleet;
      -Sailors are proud to serve or served in the Black Sea Fleet;
      -We are proud of the exploits of the Black Sea.
      Conclusion: the Black Sea Fleet was, is and will be !!
    2. Alone
      Alone 5 May 2012 13: 10
      +4
      Aircraft carriers are needed for external aggression. They are the Americans at the very time. The USSR, and Russia, it seems, have never sought to conquer. This is my opinion.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 5 May 2012 13: 29
        +3
        No aircraft carriers are the most powerful and versatile ships.
        1. Alone
          Alone 8 May 2012 01: 06
          0
          Due to the versatility of each aircraft carrier attached a fleet of support and guard ships?
    3. VAF
      VAF 5 May 2012 13: 22
      +5
      Quote: Ataturk
      Guys, I have a question for you.


      Merry (Dzhankoy-5) -5th Guards Constant Sea
      missile-carrying aviation regiment, on the Tu-22M3
    4. leon-iv
      leon-iv 5 May 2012 13: 30
      -1
      there is no problem in slipways, more precisely in their absence.
      I think so in 2025 we will see our first AB.
      1. sergey261180
        sergey261180 5 May 2012 17: 51
        +4
        Crimea is a huge aircraft carrier.
        1. Odinplys
          Odinplys 6 May 2012 04: 00
          +2
          sergey261180,
          Do not give out military secrets ....)
  11. patriot2
    patriot2 5 May 2012 10: 49
    0
    танк, I re-read it with pleasure, but the article does not say anything about those landing ekranoplanes based in Novoozernoye, it’s a pity — it was a real force capable of delivering an assault at a speed of 300 km / h from the base to any coast of the Black Sea, where are they now?
    1. TRex
      TRex 5 May 2012 12: 22
      +2
      A brigade of the DKVP (amphibious assault ship on an air cushion) on the Dzheyranakh was based there. What are you talking about 300 km per hour? Nodes of 50 were given .. In Russia there is steam left in the Caspian, and even those will soon be written off ...
      1. VAF
        VAF 5 May 2012 13: 38
        +5
        Quote: TRex
        Based there


        Nikolaev- 33 TsBPiPLS MRA Navy, Tu-22M2 and Tu-22M3
      2. TRex
        TRex 8 May 2012 19: 48
        0
        Well, there were two wiseacres who ousted my post ... What don't you like? Where did I lie? Or does it really hurt your eyes?
    2. VAF
      VAF 5 May 2012 13: 28
      +8
      Quote: patriot2
      based



      Oktyabrskoye - 943th Red Banner Constance Missile-Carrier Aviation Regiment, Tu-22M3
      1. Kars
        Kars 5 May 2012 17: 05
        +5
        Don’t say that I like the Tu-22M3. Although they upset me that he didn’t have rockets very much. Maybe I can get together and collect the model for myself.
        1. VAF
          VAF 5 May 2012 17: 27
          +5
          Quote: Kars
          Don’t say that I like the Tu-22M3


          Hello Andrew, +! It’s the same to me, especially since I was closely connected with him, though it’s not a very big time, but it’s quite enough!

          Read the news, posted it in a comment on an article about 11 billion civilian aircraft engines today! I was stunned !!!
          1. Kars
            Kars 5 May 2012 17: 52
            +3
            Bombs along the 500 -tki. But for this it is a secondary task. The main thing is all the same the aircraft carrier of our faithful .. probable friends ..
            Watch a movie from American cinema at least a little like the truth
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0HGlzD3waE
            1. VAF
              VAF 5 May 2012 18: 12
              +6
              Quote: Kars
              Bombs in the course of 500


              Nope, OFAB 250-270, but for the aircraft carrier, of course, other TSAs are intended, this is in this photo.

              Andrei, I reviewed a bunch of videos. Which jumped out, none of them belong to aviation, or didn’t I understand something?

              And here’s my video, see how, huh?

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=ULX8NxGCeFYXQ&v=X8NxGCeFYXQ&feature=player_det
              ailpage
              1. Kars
                Kars 5 May 2012 18: 20
                +3
                Strange
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0HGlzD3waE
                I have a movie opens TU 22М3 a piece of the film Price of Fear

                Was it inserted into the address bar?
                try it through google TU-22 Backfire vs Aircraft Carrier

                A span at a low altitude is impressive, it’s a pity to watch live more interesting.
                1. VAF
                  VAF 5 May 2012 18: 55
                  +6
                  Quote: Kars
                  A span at a low altitude is impressive, it’s a pity to watch live more interesting.


                  Well, this is unfortunately almost impossible, only by the pictures, since those who already knew how to do so already have almost all retired, and young people are not taught this!

                  I'm going to try now! Yes, he answered you there at 11 billion and posted the new news there; for some reason, the Kazakhs suddenly found a reason to refuse to buy our Yak-130 .... I wonder why (authorized persons ask themselves a question ???) fool
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 5 May 2012 19: 01
                    +4
                    We have a factory in Zaporozhye Mig repair, in principle from my house in a straight line 8, so at the end of 1998-2000 several times Mig 29 flew, the most strange thing over residential buildings., Somewhere at an altitude of 100-200 meters, maybe lower , I’m not sure of the correct estimate of the height --- and so the glass was teased and it was pretty creepy, I represent the Carcass.
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 5 May 2012 21: 30
                      +5
                      Quote: Kars
                      and so the glass was teasing and was rather creepy, I represent the Carcass.


                      And if on the Tu-22M3, then the furniture runs around the apartment and the TV flies off the bedside table "into the light"!

                      all the glasses in the walls are "dancing" in an embrace!
                    2. VAF
                      VAF 6 May 2012 11: 02
                      +6
                      Quote: Kars
                      It was pretty creepy, I represent the Carcass.


                      Andrey, yesterday I could not, but today ... in short, here's a story of eyewitnesses and, so to speak, a story from ".... first person", read it, you will understand everything yourself!

                      "..... Often the crews of our regiment were involved in all kinds of research and testing. Here is an example.
                      In the summer of 1979, our crew was seconded to the Kirovskoye military test aerodrome (eastern Crimea).
                      All kinds of aircraft weapons were tested there.
                      And there were tests of the latest then mines.
                      They were dropped from submarines, ships, dropped from the entire range of speeds and heights of the TU-16 aircraft, and the designers needed to know if they could be dropped at transonic speeds from extremely low altitudes, how the parachute mine system would behave at such speed! ? There was no aircraft capable of throwing them at such regimes in Kirovsky and they turned to the Air Force of the Black Sea Fleet, and those to the 30th Regiment, (Saki).
                      The regiment commander sent our crew.
                      The task was set by the navigator and commander of the Kirovsky regiment.
                      The task was set as follows: throw a series of a couple of mines at low and medium low altitudes (400, 300, 200 and 100 m) and a speed of 960 km / h (this is the limitation of the instrumental speed of the TU-22 aircraft near the ground).
                      To control the dissolution of parachutes, high-speed movie cameras were installed on the front wall of the bomb bombs (800 frames per second).

                      We hung in two pieces for the departure. Since the mines were especially secret, the aircraft was surrounded by a screen during the suspension, they (the crew) were not allowed to let us in, and allowed only after the suspension and closing the hatches ...
                      So, flew ... Normally dropped a couple of mines from 400 and 300 m.

                      Before taking off to drop 2 pieces from 200 m (pre-final flight), the lead designer took me aside and said that they had already seen the passages of the TU-16x at an extremely low altitude from the torpedo-catcher, but they did not see the TU-22x at all, and he was “very asked "me to go" closer "(we threw at a distance of 400-500 m from the torpedo catcher, since he was also filmed with film cameras) and" lower "...
                      I also realized from his hints that they were filming these passages with their cameras and they seem to want to shoot again.
                      I promised to fulfill his request.
                      I told the crew everything and asked on an additional aisle not to say anything on SPU.
                      And here we are again in the air, alternately dropping 2 pieces and I moved away from the dashboard far away than usual in order to more accurately complete the approach requested by the mine designer.
                      I don’t tell you exactly what height it was, but less than 25 m (as it turned out later, there was a waterstorm behind the plane, sailors and the designers themselves said this) ...
                      I took it directly to the nose of the torpedo, and this is another 4-5 meters above the water.
                      The speed is still the same 960, when approaching the “self-propelled” I fired up the fast and the furious (the designer did not ask about it, but I decided to make a “surprise”) ...
                      Here you had to be very careful, because "Pecking down" (when lighting the fast and the furious), which is not dangerous at other heights, is very dangerous here, the water is flowing nearby ...
                      Before entering the torpedoes I give both engines "Full afterburner" and energetically take the steering wheel along with the trimming mechanism of the stabilizer to a pitch of about 45-50 degrees (at this angle I noticed the vertical speed of climb - 150 m. S.) ...
                      After climbing 2000 m, he reduced the angle, went out into the horizon and then - a quiet flight to the point and ... waiting for the next meeting with the designer and his group (they usually arrived in two to three hours) ...
                      And then they get off the bus and run to me .., they all shout something, wave their hands, some very excited ...
                      In general, the leader leads me aside again and says: “For the first time in my life, I was so scared that I naturally put on my pants!”
                      What’s the matter - I didn’t understand right away, so then - his story.

                      “When you stepped away and began to turn on us, I shouted to all of my people and the sailors that now there would be one more call!
                      Everyone slowly poured out onto the deck again (they say, "I suppose it's not the first time they pass over us, nothing special"), prepared their fotiki, wait, the point is approaching noiselessly ...
                      Also, the aircraft started approaching us noiselessly, then it began to increase sharply and suddenly in silence - it was gasping ... !!!
                      Like a bomb exploded over us !!!
                      We all fell to the deck, and I caught myself convulsively scratching the healthy rivets of some hatch with my fingernails ...

                      Something hot fluttered over us along with water dust (it turns out that there was some kind of water breaker behind the plane).
                      I was lying and thinking .. how terrible the Vietnamese were when they phoned the Phantom with bombs, because here it’s scary even without bombs ...
                      Then they all started to rise a little and ... everyone began to unseat me obscenely, because I did not warn what would happen - SO SCARY !!! (between similar passages TU-16go and TU-22go is not just a difference, but an abyss!) ...

                      Many tried and could not light up, their hands were shaking, and at the same time they continued to swear at me, someone, as it turned out, really put them on my pants (this turned out later).
                      Nobody managed to take off the passage or did not have time ...
                      And my hands are shaking so far ...
                      In general, don’t do such a passage anymore .., enough .., the sailors will kill me then, and you damaged our nervous system very much, we still cannot recover ”...
                      In general, we successfully completed this series of test flights, for which the crew was encouraged by personalized watches and diplomas.
                      And similar flights to some tests in our regiment were repeatedly.


                      Well, for clarity, look firsthand, though the quality is not very good, but everything is visible and understandable ".. to simplicity", for what they say ... "comments to the story are unnecessary !!! drinks

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek54wErEbZQ&feature=player_detailpage
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 6 May 2012 11: 34
                        +1
                        Thank you very much.
                2. Odinplys
                  Odinplys 6 May 2012 04: 14
                  +1
                  Kars,
                  A video ... Beauty ... That’s how it would be in Kator gas storage facilities today ...
    3. gojesi
      gojesi 6 May 2012 01: 58
      +1
      Quote: patriot2
      landing craft ... where are they now?

      Incredibly expensive operating costs, as on ships on air. pillow Samum and Bora. Just stupid - no money!
      Why are you being minus?
  12. Aeneas
    Aeneas 5 May 2012 11: 04
    +10
    The article is a bit dated. The Russian Black Sea Fleet does not really have submarines today; Alrosa has gone to the Baltic. The Black Sea Fleet has a ship repair plant in Sevastopol, for example, the Ukrainian submarine Zaporozhye was being repaired there, but for some reason Russia is repairing its ships on the Black Sea in Bulgaria. Unfortunately, there are no large-scale updates to the Black Sea Fleet’s weapons. The Kharkov agreements were signed in force majeure, many basing issues remained unresolved and they have not been resolved for decades. Well, of course, GAZZZ! am Listening to the comments of the current rulers in Kiev, one constantly senses notes of resentment - they were simply "thrown". And these lads actually love to "throw" and "breed" themselves, from the experience of their past 90s and early 2000s ... The air defense of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation is provided by Ukrainian air defense, but about sending their ships "on pins and needles" by the Ukrainians then we can argue. Ukraine received the most ineffective ships during the division, according to the principle "on you, God sho me worthless." Ukraine got about half a hundred ships, and half of them are now in service. Russia received the rest, almost 800 ships, and now there are about half a hundred in service ... The sailors do not like the base in Novorossiysk. There are very harsh weather conditions, one of the last "gifts" - in fact, the destruction of the newest missile boat (frigate) "Dagestan", which arrived for testing in Novorossiysk, but did not have time - smashed the hull on the shore. So there is practically no alternative to the bays of Sevastopol, and the Russians need to negotiate with the Ukrainians, otherwise "not wanting" is already leading to disastrous consequences. According to the latest polls, the majority of Ukrainians are against the stationing of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, although the situation after the agreement in Kharkov was the opposite.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 5 May 2012 13: 28
      +2
      Vashcheta Dagestan restored. and there was nothing terrible there.
      And after the completion of the normal pier, she will be able to take ships calmly.
      And this is desirable to the proof regarding the Ukrainian air defense.
    2. biglow
      biglow 5 May 2012 16: 00
      +4
      Ukraine is not in a position to ask her something. How Putin decides it will be so
      1. pristav
        pristav 8 May 2012 18: 24
        0
        Most likely it is ... But such a suspended state of the BSF is in the hands of our bosses: 1. there is always the opportunity to bargain for gas, 2. protect the south from a possible enemy (it will not be possible to bomb only the military unit of the Ukrainian army, attack on the BSF = attack on huge nuclear state), 3. city development - people work in maintenance, at construction sites, etc. The task of the Black Sea Fleet is not to defeat the Turks, but to be a representative of the forces in another sovereign state, where there are many Russian-speaking people. Move the fleet to a new base = loss of part of the influence on Ukraine. The combat capability of the Black Sea Fleet is higher than the Ukrainian Navy (both the fleet was successfully divided and the motivation was higher - the salaries of military personnel in the same city are 6 times higher than those of landlords!). Why are Putin baying, why are Muscovites unhappy ?! Raw materials economy? Look at petroleum Asia - they get petrodollars and don’t do nicherta anymore. Putin is worried about the state, not only the oligarchs get the benefits, but also the common people, facing the army.
  13. Alone
    Alone 5 May 2012 13: 04
    +3
    In today's realities of geopolitics in the Black Sea basin, having a non-military fleet can end extremely badly. What is Turkey standing with its ambitions.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 5 May 2012 13: 29
      +2
      which will drown under the blows of aviation. And the Turks are not kamikaze.
    2. Drednout
      Drednout 5 May 2012 15: 17
      +8
      Quote: Alone
      In today's realities in geopolitics in the Black Sea basin to have a non-military fleet

      For the most part, since the end of Soviet times, the Black Sea Fleet has been more of a training one. An excellent base for studies and training. Even the Separate Frontier Maritime Training Center was located in Anapa. Conscripts were taught for 9 months before being sent to the border. Specialists were worse than officers. Turbinists and divers were trained in Sevastopol.
      It is not necessary to hold strategic forces on the Black Sea Fleet, but it is necessary to restore and maintain a powerful tactical grouping and training base.
      1. VAF
        VAF 5 May 2012 16: 40
        +5
        Quote: Drednout
        There is no need to hold strategic forces on the Black Sea Fleet,



        You have every right to your opinion, + !. But I consider it erroneous, because it is necessary to be able to strike long-range missiles of the Kyrgyz Republic both sea (underwater) and air-based.

        This allows you to keep under your "control" the territory up to the Indian Ocean and the entire Mediterranean Sea, with all the ensuing consequences, and also excludes the use of a potential enemy from the territory of the Black Sea from the surface and submerged position of the CD!
        1. Drednout
          Drednout 5 May 2012 17: 12
          +3
          Quote: veteran.air force
          be able to strike

          Dear Sergey, I agree about the need for the possibility of striking from the Black Sea, but you cannot underestimate the presence of the Bosphorus as a possible castle for the entire Black Sea fleet.
          In such cases, it is more natural to have forces capable of breaking through the Bosphorus and entering the Mediterranean with all the ensuing possibilities, but here aviation is in the first place.
          1. VAF
            VAF 5 May 2012 17: 50
            +4
            Quote: Drednout
            here just aviation comes to the first place.


            Dear Rasul, this is how I lead the role of the role of strike aircraft in the fleet (s), which was previously presented in full, but now ... and unfortunately, there are no prospects!

            Of course, I am not special in ships and especially submarines, this should be addressed to the respected FRIGATEN CAPTAIN, but the option that the possibility of penetrating the Amer nuclear missile boats through the Bosporus is very alarming to me!

            After all, our Heroes submariners knew how to penetrate through Gibraaliar into Mediterranean ??? And then they successfully "spoiled the life" of the entire US 6th Fleet?

            And now we have nothing to get to these possible goals! recourse
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 5 May 2012 22: 04
              +1
              important Rasul, so I lead role about the role of strike aircraft

              can all the same "speech"?
              1. VAF
                VAF 5 May 2012 22: 50
                +4
                Quote: PSih2097
                can all the same "speech"?


                Thank you, +! Naturally speaking, the old one has already become, eyes get tired by evening!
                1. Odinplys
                  Odinplys 6 May 2012 04: 20
                  +4
                  Quote: veteran.air force
                  Thank you, +! Naturally speaking, the old one has already become, eyes get tired by evening!

                  Old ...))) Such a backup of articles and photos issued ... +++
                  With such an experience, there are no old people ... Successes to you ... and health ...
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 6 May 2012 09: 07
                    +5
                    Quote: OdinPlys
                    Old ...))) Such a backup of articles and photos issued ... +++


                    THANKS FOR THANKS, +!

                    Just "it was all familiar and .... tight"!
  14. leon-iv
    leon-iv 5 May 2012 13: 25
    +3
    the author goes to the Black Sea Fleet 11357 and 11356 is for the Indians
  15. Ataturk
    Ataturk 5 May 2012 14: 01
    +2
    Thanks for the responses guys. In short, as I understand it, an aircraft carrier is needed if you are going to fight somewhere in another part of the earth ....
    Although yes, I could have guessed. You're right.

    Thanks again for the prompt reply.
  16. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 5 May 2012 15: 47
    +8
    Guys!
    I think you will excuse me THAT A LITTLE NOT IN THE TOPIC!

    I congratulate all military and civilian divers on their professional holiday!
    So that the number of descents equals the number of ascents, and decompression takes place in the morning with beer!
    Pure water to you little brothers! drinks
    1. VAF
      VAF 5 May 2012 16: 16
      +5
      Quote: Ruswolf
      Pure water to you little brothers!


      JOINING !!!! ++++! drinks
    2. Drednout
      Drednout 5 May 2012 16: 31
      +4
      Alex, you have a three-bolt hat on your avatar, right? Why?
      I join in the congratulations!!!
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 5 May 2012 16: 51
        0
        Thank you!
      2. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 5 May 2012 17: 00
        +2
        Why was born! He studied for that - for that he was fit!
        After all, someone should increase the presence of Russia not only on land and on water! But also on the endless coastal open spaces.
        Yes, and clean the aquarium if necessary! ..... good
        1. Drednout
          Drednout 5 May 2012 17: 04
          +1
          If not a secret - where did you study (and fit)?
  17. toguns
    toguns 5 May 2012 16: 04
    +2
    the article seems to be normal, but the future is painfully blurry and there is no sense in the written ships.
    mosquito fleet ??? Well, I don’t know this is somehow frivolous, for the Caspian flotilla it didn’t go where, but for the Black Sea Fleet it’s not possible.
    at least at the Black Sea Fleet
    2 divisions of 6 submarines 636.3
    more...
    1 mistral
    escort to her
    2 ships of the class 1164 Atlant. missile cruisers
    3-4 destroyers of the project 21956 destroyer uro
    5-6 Project 22350 frigates
    3-4 BDK project 11711 ivan gren
    and so on the little things dugongs and all sorts of smaller ships.
    and to please veteran.air force a little bit of aviation
    60 mig-29 cube to those 30 that ordered MO.
    10-15 anti-submarine aircraft the newer the better
    25-30 anti-submarine helicopters.
    I also specially added the Black Sea Fleet of at least 1 and preferably 2 A-50u.
    and of course, 6-8 missile anti-inflammatory divisions of each type of bastion, club-m, bal-e.
    Of course, such a squad 6 the US pirate fleet will not stop, but it will make you think a little.
    1. VAF
      VAF 5 May 2012 16: 15
      +4
      Quote: toguns
      and to please veteran.air force a little bit of aviation


      Thank you Jaroslav for caring, +!

      But here Mistral, thoroughly upset!
      Why is this barge needed in general and in particular in the Black Sea ??? Mullet scare?

      Mig-29KUB is nothing, but dreaming is not harmful, it’s harmful not to dream!

      Opposite submariners of new years so forget about 5-7 minimum !!!

      I don’t argue with helicopters, things are going on, by 2015 they will make as many as 15 for Mistralka, if nothing changes!

      Well, the 4th ordered KA-31 can still be paid and put into service (the figure does not bother ??? but me very much)!

      I decided to "please" you the same, posted the news, just read it, but stuck it in "..... 11 billion, on civil motors" today!

      Be sure to read it, then think and ... maybe your pink glasses will slowly return to their normal color! drinks
      1. toguns
        toguns 5 May 2012 16: 37
        0
        Quote: veteran.air force
        But here Mistral, thoroughly upset!
        Why is this barge needed in general and in particular in the Black Sea ??? Mullet scare?

        wassat Well, Sergei, what a pessimist you are, I’ll tell you a terrible secret the mistral is not a barge, but a universal landing helicopter carrier ship + this can be a floating command center.
        why did i add mistral ??? she will be such a cherry for a lightweight shock-ship grouping.
        the headquarters of the fleet in Novorossiysk or in Sevastopol is certainly good, but it is desirable that the tactical headquarters be much closer.
        Of course, I don’t teach you the wrong level, but still, it seems to me that the Black Sea Fleet should have at least one more or less strike force and can’t do without such a center located on the Mistral.
        By the way about Mitsral.
        we do not need the ship itself, but the SENIT-9 system, this system is focused on interaction with ships, aircraft, and ground forces of NATO forces.
        Do you feel where the digger is going ???
        Sergey, if you see a Black Sea Fleet device, otherwise you will write something to compare with.
        1. VAF
          VAF 5 May 2012 17: 59
          +4
          Quote: toguns
          the terrible secret of the mistral is not a barge, but a universal landing ship


          No, the fact that he is a "carrier" is what I understood, that's just what ??? Helicopters Ka-52 ???
          Explain to me why they will be needed on the Black Sea (and on any fleet with such a range ???) because it is easier to get to rodents by land, but you still have to swim to the opposite shore, but who will protect it ?? ?

          Quote: toguns
          and the SENIT-9 system, this system is focused on interaction with ships, aircraft, and ground forces of NATO forces.


          And here I did not understand that we have already joined NATO? And the secret file there, in this Zenith, no? And then the button will come and Zenith is covered with a "copper basin"?

          The Argentines have only one Exocet rocket able to reach the target, and then the "press" button and that's it ... the war for Argentina is over! bully
          1. Kars
            Kars 5 May 2012 18: 04
            +4
            Quote: veteran.air force
            The Argentines have only one Exocet rocket was able to reach the target

            Two flew for sure, but none exploded is a fact.
            1. VAF
              VAF 5 May 2012 18: 21
              +5
              Quote: Kars
              but not one exploded is a fact.


              No, Andrey, one got to Sheffield!

              "..... After entering target designation data for each target from a distance of 37 km, two Exoset missiles were launched.
              At the time of launch, the onboard warning systems informed the pilots about the illumination of the aircraft by the Plymouth frigate radar station (the Sheffield search radar was turned off to eliminate interference with the Skynet satellite communications system, through which negotiations with London were conducted).
              The aircraft immediately made a sharp turn with a descent to 30 m and left the range of the GWS30 air defense missile system, which is armed with all British Sheffield-class destroyers.

              An active radar seeker of one of the missiles captured Sheffield at a distance of 12-15 km, its flight altitude dropped to 2-3 m.
              Visually, anti-ship missiles were noticed only 6 seconds before they hit the ship.
              The missile pierced the board 1,8 m above the waterline, but it did not explode inside the hull - the delayed contact fuse did not work.
              From the remnants of rocket fuel ignited electric cables, paint. The compartment quickly filled with poisonous smoke, creating a real threat of explosion of missiles and artillery ammunition.

              After a four-hour unsuccessful struggle for the ship, the commander ordered him to leave. By that time, the crew had lost 20 people dead and 28 wounded.

              The second missile from the frigate "Plymouth" was found in advance, for 40 seconds. A curtain of dipole reflectors created passive interference, which led the anti-ship missile in the wrong direction. "

              In the photo: The death of the British destroyer URO "Sheffield", which was hit by the Argentine anti-ship missile system "Exocet"
              1. Kars
                Kars 5 May 2012 18: 39
                +4
                I'm about the total bill

                25 in May 2 of the Super Ethan Dar aircraft after refueling in flight according to the target designation of the coastal radar station, the radar station secretly entered the area of ​​the location of the British aircraft carriers. At a distance of about 80 km from the alleged location of the aircraft carriers, the Argentine pilots turned on the airborne radar stations and found two large guarded targets. Having fired two missiles at a distance of 48 km from the targets, the Super Etandar aircraft at extremely low altitude immediately went towards the continent. The British, finding the Argentine aircraft, put powerful passive interference. The missile going to the Hermes aircraft carrier was diverted, but after leaving the cloud of passive jamming the missile homing head captured a large target located 5 - 6 km from the aircraft carrier. This goal turned out to be the Atlantic Conveyor container ship, which Argentine pilots mistook for an aircraft carrier. As a result, they hit the Atlantic Conveyor container ship and, of course, did not explode.


                So you can’t trust anyone whom and the French, they turned off radars for Saddam. Firm Thompson.
                1. VAF
                  VAF 5 May 2012 18: 57
                  +4
                  Quote: Kars
                  So you cannot trust anyone whom and French


                  I completely agree +! drinks
                2. Aeneas
                  Aeneas 5 May 2012 23: 06
                  +1
                  The wording "powerful passive interference" is not very clear, maybe "active interference" by REP stations? The Thompson firm, this is Thales now. He actively supplies thermal imagers to Russia and the Russian Federation really wants her (Thales) electronics on the Mistrals.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 6 May 2012 17: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: Aeneas
                    powerful passive interference ",


                    Quote: veteran.air force
                    Veil of dipole reflectors passive interference was created, which led the anti-ship missile in the wrong direction. "

                    Quote: Aeneas
                    Thompson, this is Thales now. Actively supplies thermal imagers to Russia

                    Let’s hope that they don’t have any built-in snake bully
      2. Nickname
        Nickname 5 May 2012 17: 02
        +1
        Well, the Black Sea Fleet is also the middle-earth. There Mistral would look good. In Tartus I would be on duty as a niece in Naples
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 5 May 2012 16: 19
      +3
      2 divisions of 6 submarines 636.3
      1 is enough for their tasks
      1 mistral
      absolutely true he really needs to carry the light of totalitarianism there
      2 ships of the class 1164 Atlant. missile cruisers
      No and again no better than 3 destroyers for the entire fleet, and new destroyers in armament are no weaker than the cruiser.
      3-4 destroyers of the project 21956 destroyer uro
      I think the maximum for fleet 5 is more redundant and VERY expensive
      5-6 Project 22350 frigates
      in fact there will be 2-3 22350 and 4 11357 of this is more than enough
      And corvettes with weapons like those of western frigates? pr 20385?
      Aviation need aircraft PLO heavy fighters Su-30 AWACS will be attached.
      And such a composition, the 6th fleet will be destroyed if there is a Central Command.
      1. toguns
        toguns 5 May 2012 17: 14
        -2
        everything is generally true except for two things.
        Quote: leon-iv
        2 ships of the class 1164 Atlant. missile cruisers
        No and again no better than 3 destroyers for the entire fleet, and new destroyers in armament are no weaker than the cruiser.

        I very much doubt that the destroyers will cope with this task if you don’t twist, but they are smaller than anti-aircraft PU-300s and weaker anti-submarine weapons, and without a normal anti-aircraft missile cover and anti-submarine weapons, the fleet together with the Mistral will burn very quickly.
        Quote: leon-iv
        in fact there will be 2-3 22350 and 4 11357 of this is more than enough

        as for me 11357 is out of date.
        3000 displacement is not serious 22350 and it looks more impressive.
        in addition, keep in mind that what is needed is not just boats protecting coastal waters, but truly modern mobile connections capable of performing any task.
        a simple example of august usa, of course, we have fewer bells and whistles, but still we need to strive for this.
        1 flagship is the headquarters
        1-2 ships of the 1st rank aim to protect the flank and control the anti-aircraft missile and anti-submarine cover in the right place. far zone.
        3-4 destroyers uro target shoot down that is trying to swim or be a threat.
        middle zone.
        the difference between the destroyer and the atlant.
        anti-submarine missiles hit Atlant 2 times farther than 600 km (P-1000 Volcano) against 300 km caliber of the destroyer and more anti-aircraft weapons 64 pu against 48 pu.
        5-6 of project 22350 near zone the same destroyer but without s-300.
    3. Nickname
      Nickname 5 May 2012 16: 58
      0
      Yes. It would not hurt to deal with "Ukraine". All the same, two Atlantes are already something. Is there really no way to agree?
      1. Kars
        Kars 5 May 2012 17: 01
        +6
        So the Russian Federation has already said that they don’t need it, it means a cruiser. And you would have sold it already long ago. You can’t do it abroad - there are Granites, and they are no longer a missile cruiser.
        I would give up on C-300, Ukraine needs them more than fuel dispensers.
        1. Aeneas
          Aeneas 5 May 2012 20: 00
          +3
          they want to fuse the Chinese, right now with the Chinese on the naval theme, progress has been outlined. Essesno without any Granites. Russia itself "ties" with Granites. ex Lobov-ex Ukraine is in good condition, but there is still a problem. This is a ship of the mid-80s and the entire electronic component (communications, information processing, navigation, OMS) requires replacement, and naturally new weapons. You need to strain no less than on Gorshkov ... Ukraine does not need S-300s, there are plenty of them already. Most of them simply require repairs (which is possible in Ukraine) and modernization. They have long been talking about the Ukrainian missile for the S-300 (they were once produced in Kiev during the Soviet Union), but "things are still there."
          1. Kars
            Kars 5 May 2012 21: 27
            +3
            How many C-300 do we have? 18 divisions?
            it's not enough, well, and if not even C-300 then something else.
            Only not with money, but it will be stolen.
            1. Aeneas
              Aeneas 5 May 2012 23: 25
              +1
              that is a lot ... I remember General Ivashov gave an interview after the events of 08.08.08 in a propaganda film simulating a conflict between Russia and Ukraine. So, he praised the Ukrainian air defense very highly, pointing to a higher density of air defense systems in Ukraine than even in Russia. Naturally, the situation is no longer so rosy, the complexes need repair, they are taken to storage bases, etc.
              1. Kars
                Kars 5 May 2012 23: 48
                +2
                Quote: Aeneas
                Ukrainian air defense, indicating a higher density of air defense systems in Ukraine than even in Russia


                We compare the areas of Ukraine and Russia and everything falls into place, it’s far from normal density. It’s just that the air defense is concentrated along the Western border of the USSR but there is a big failure from Romania and Moldova and Romania, the USSR air defense was a trap.

                And so, besides air defense, I don’t know in the current state what is more important, Ukraine has a lot of other military goods,
        2. Eugene
          Eugene 7 May 2012 22: 34
          +2
          Andrey, hello! Happy holiday to you!
          There are no granites on the cruisers of this project, there are "Basalts" and on the modernized "Volcanoes".
          1. Kars
            Kars 7 May 2012 22: 46
            +4
            You are also Eugene.

            Like Basalts, ignored. But mine and their Chinese can not be sold.
            And so, the normal option is to get rid of the launchers and make a coastal missile battery out of them. And the Chinese ship --- it just doesn't rot at the wall.

            But what Iranians, for example, are entrepreneurial.
            1. Eugene
              Eugene 8 May 2012 00: 02
              +1
              Pleased) This is a wonderful car laughing+ to you)
      2. TRex
        TRex 5 May 2012 17: 24
        0
        "Ukraine" is probably not going to be lifted anymore ... I feel - one rusty body is standing at the wall, the rest was taken away by "metalworkers".
        1. Kars
          Kars 5 May 2012 17: 39
          +7
          he is at the shipyard, in the protected zone, and the plant spends money on its maintenance.
          We don’t have normal military men, or they don’t occupy leading positions. There are only so many options, but the worst is performed.
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 5 May 2012 23: 28
          +2
          "Ukraine" will probably not be raised anymore ...

          there would be a desire and political will (we will wait 100 days from May 7 and see what it costs), and the rest will follow. IMHO
          1. VAF
            VAF 5 May 2012 23: 52
            +3
            Quote: PSih2097
            (wait 100 days from May 7 and see what it costs),


            Are you talking about this .... mean?

            Before a friendly beer
            Putin came out in blue
            But Medvedev came out in white.
            Here is such a topic today.
            In general, hello May Day!
            Open and pour
            What others did not drink -
            White and blue.
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 7 May 2012 22: 41
              0
              continued comment below ...
  18. Nickname
    Nickname 5 May 2012 17: 34
    0
    Yeah. The spectacle is not for the faint of heart
  19. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 5 May 2012 17: 46
    +6
    To understand this, you need not look at the photo, but spend the night on it.
    The ships are alive! and have a soul.
    And only at night you can hear his soul groaning and sighing from hopelessness .......
    In general, when the ship dies - scary .............
  20. Sokerin
    Sokerin 6 May 2012 00: 15
    +1
    Quote: veteran.air force
    and then they write everything about ships, but I’m developing the topic of the Black Sea Fleet Aviation, and here you are just on this topic.



    Wings over the sea

    http://forum.evvaul.com/index.php?board=16.0

    Naval Aviation (Air Force) of the Black Sea Fleet


    http://forum.evvaul.com/index.php?topic=298.0

    We have and will have Naval Aviation!


    http://aviaforum.ru/showthread.php?p=1088139#post1088139
    1. VAF
      VAF 6 May 2012 00: 25
      +2
      Quote: Sokerin
      Wings over the sea


      Thank you, +! I know! drinks
      1. Sokerin
        Sokerin 6 May 2012 01: 23
        +1
        Today, Sovetsky Prospect, 68

        Quote: veteran.air force
        I know!
        1. VAF
          VAF 6 May 2012 10: 14
          +3
          Quote: Sokerin
          Today,


          Viktor Nikolaevich, it’s always nice to watch and see in complete health and order of people Dear, Honored, True Heroes !!!

          May God bless them for a long, long time!

          But our today, the same is already evident that not young people!

          But with the change .... very problematic!
          1. Sokerin
            Sokerin 6 May 2012 15: 53
            +1
            veteran.air force,

            I also, at the request of P.A. Gudymova, sent two instructor pilots
            from Chernyakhovsk to retrain this UAE on the Su-24.
            And he personally instructed them before leaving, because both of them
            12-13 years did not fly to training ... by then ....
            Everything is only to control previously prepared.
            He warned them that, despite the level of training of students
            on previous types, the Su-24 is for them a new machine so that they do not release
            independently unprepared pilots.
  21. PSih2097
    PSih2097 6 May 2012 01: 25
    +2
    What awaits the Black Sea Fleet of Russia

    the inauguration tomorrow, we give 100 days to slaughter all the bastards, if this does not happen - "God help him, and he will be his judge" ...
  22. ZUI
    ZUI 6 May 2012 08: 36
    +3
    "The strike component of the fleet will be updated with 12 Su-30SM multi-role fighters" the plane is certainly good, but the entire Black Sea Fleet aviation will be updated with twelve aircraft?!?!?! sad
    1. VAF
      VAF 6 May 2012 10: 17
      +4
      Quote: ZUI
      account of 12 multipurpose fighters Su-30SM "


      At the root "see" dear, +!
  23. lotus04
    lotus04 6 May 2012 08: 50
    +2
    People! The main ship of the Black Sea Fleet, the cruiser Moskva, is already 30 years old! What awaits the Black Sea fleet? Yes, nothing is waiting for him. So far, our "helmsmen" are not at the helm of the "ship" called RUSSIA, but at the oil and gas cock. And incomes in the bulk are spread across Western banks and movable property with real estate in the same place. They don't need a strong Russia! And then the time will come to dump, and from the state with which everyone will have to reckon, you will not dump, you will still get it. Is it because they do not give us away either Zakayev or Berezovsky, because they do not hold us for the mighty of this world. Although they are considered criminals in our country and were convicted in absentia. It is urgent to restore autonomy in the likeness of the USSR, i.e. restore agriculture, metallurgy, mechanical engineering, etc. ... On the scale required by the country. And income from the sale of oil and gas raw materials can only be received in rubles, then it will be converted. Purchase licenses for the production of the latest machine tools and equipment. Then jobs will appear, wages will increase, new ships and airplanes will appear. In the meantime, apparently no one needs it. Everyone is happy with everything. And we have received a couple of ships a year, almost of the river class, we are happy as children. Yes, at such a pace in 50 years, we on the Black Sea can catch up with anyone, according to the state of their fleet today. GLORY TO RUSSIA!
    1. ozs
      ozs 6 May 2012 11: 33
      +4
      The gnome and his minions are busy pumping oil and they obviously do not need an army.
      It is enough to buy a couple of dozen planes and ships every 10 years, and the local dwarf obazhets will be happy, and on TV they will show how our army is being strengthened.

      Now the local generals are dwarf agitators and they will begin to tell that EBN is to blame for everything. A gnome is good and fluffy.
  24. flukked
    flukked 6 May 2012 11: 41
    +2
    Until there is progress in building ships of rank 1-2, talking about some kind of parity at sea with the United States simply does not make sense.
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 7 May 2012 17: 41
      +1
      flukked
      There is an alternative for your message.
      We don’t build ours, but for balance of power - we make holes in American
      The main score is equal
      But for the money we are winning! Since we have savings, while Amer has losses!
    2. 755962
      755962 7 May 2012 20: 09
      +2
      Quote: flukked
      talking about some kind of parity at sea with the United States simply does not make sense.

      It’s hard to disagree with this. You need to build ... And what would universal, high-tech and multi-purpose ships with a high degree of unification be sure to be in projects. Well, of course, aircraft carriers!
    3. PSih2097
      PSih2097 7 May 2012 22: 51
      +2
      Until there are advancements in the construction of ships of rank 1-2

      for the first rank there are no shipyards (72 tons), there was only one, and even that remained in Nikolaev. An analogue of "Orlan" (000 tons) can be made in the Baltic ...
  25. PabloMsk
    PabloMsk 10 May 2012 15: 38
    0
    I liked everything I read in the article.
    A perfectly adequate grouping is created.
    Everything is harmonious: both tasks and costs.