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SAU high power 2C7M "Malka"

The rocket forces and artillery of the Russian ground forces have self-propelled artillery mounts with weapons of various types and calibers. The largest at the moment the caliber of the serial gun - 203 mm. Such a tool is equipped with self-propelled gun 2С7М “Malka”, designed to solve special problems. Despite its age, this technique retains its place in the troops and, as required, increases their combat potential. In addition, there are ways of development, allowing to keep "Malka" in parts with obtaining new results.

As the assigned GRAU index shows, the 2C7M self-propelled gun “Malka” is a modernized version of an older combat vehicle. This model was developed on the basis of the Peony 2X7 system, intended for the artillery units of the High Command reserve. The base Peony was put into service in the 1976 year and showed more than high performance. However, over time, this technique has ceased to fully organize the military, which led to the launch of a new project. A new SAU with higher characteristics was proposed to be created by updating and upgrading an existing 2-XNNUMX product.

SAU 2C7M "Malka" in the firing position. Photo

The development of the updated self-propelled guns was entrusted to the Leningrad Kirov Plant, which had previously created a basic sample. The development work received the code Malka. Also, a new self-propelled gun was assigned an index of the GraU, indicating the continuity of development - 2C7M.

The self-propelled gun "Peony" was equipped with 203-mm threaded gun 2А44, distinguished by high characteristics. The artillery part of this combat vehicle, in general, suited the military and did not need serious modifications. At the same time, the terms of reference for the Malku provided for a serious upgrade of the existing chassis and the reworking of fire control systems. Due to this, it was planned to improve the technical and operational characteristics. Also expected a certain increase in combat qualities.

As part of the 2X7M project, the existing 216 Object chassis has undergone the greatest refinements. Its updated version received the designation "216M". While maintaining the main features of the design, as well as parts of components and assemblies, the authors of this project introduced a number of new products, as a result of which the required results were obtained. The mobility of the self-propelled gun was increased as a whole, its operation was simplified, and the resource also grew. Now the chassis provided mileage 10 thousand km instead of 8 thousand km at the base “Pion”.

During the modernization of the chassis "Object 216" retained its main features. It still had an armored body with exploded protection, welded from sheets of thickness up to 12-16 mm. The existing layout with the three-seater compartment of the control-cabin, behind which the engine-transmission compartment was located, has survived. Behind him was a compartment for calculating the gun. The entire rear of the chassis was given under the artillery installation and auxiliary equipment. The innovations of the Malka project affected only the composition of the equipment and the principles of its operation.

In the engine compartment of the “Object 216M” fit a new diesel engine B-84B hp power 840. with the ability to use different types of fuel. Due to a different engine design, the layout of the compartment was optimized. The new engine gave the self-propelled gun an increase in power at the level of the 60 hp, which made it possible to improve mobility on the highway and rough terrain. The transmission was modified accordingly, which now had to withstand increased loads.

Fighting vehicle in the stowed position. Photo by

The overall layout of the chassis remained the same, but some of its units were strengthened or finalized. At the same time, the existing unification with the aggregates of the main tank T-80, also developed at LKZ. On each side of the hull, seven track rollers with an individual torsion bar reinforced with hydraulic shock absorbers remained. Driving wheels of the chaining gear were placed in front of the hull, guides in the stern. “Object 216M” received improved steering wheel control mechanisms. In particular, now they could be lowered to the ground before firing without first loosening the tracks.

From the previous project, without any changes, they took a stern coulter, which served as an emphasis during the shooting and ensured the transfer of recoil to the ground. As before, the large metal aggregate of a characteristic shape fell to the ground and was deepened with the help of a pair of hydraulic cylinders.

As in the case of the Pion, the Malki artillery unit is installed in the rear of the landing gear. The existing gun installation mainly suited the military, as a result of which it was not subjected to major processing. However, she received some new devices, with the help of which she could show higher performance.

Main weapon SAU 2C7M - 2A44 rifled gun of 203 caliber mm. The barrel of an 55,3 long caliber was made in the form of a free pipe connected to the breech. The latter contained a piston type shutter. The barrel was connected to hydropneumatic recoil devices. A hydraulic rollback brake was installed above it, and under the barrel two pneumatic knurled cylinders were placed under the barrel. The barrel with wheel chocks in the collection connected with the cradle, mounted on the swinging part of the machine.

The machine gun received sector-type guidance mechanisms. With their help, firing within the horizontal sector of width 30 ° was provided. The elevation angles of the trunk varied from 0 to + 60 °. For the guidance could be used hand drives or hydraulic system, controlled from the gunner's console. With the vertical movement of the swinging part, the pneumatic balancing mechanism began to work.

Self-propelled gun in the unfolded position. Photo

Due to the large mass of shots for separate loading, the Pion ACS was equipped with a loading mechanism. With it, projectiles and charges were fed to the dismounting line and then sent to the barrel chamber. The basic version mechanism from the 2C7 project provided for the production of 1,5 rounds per minute. As part of the Malka design and development work, an improved loading mechanism was developed. For the first time in the world practice, reworked filing mechanisms have received automatic program control. The mechanism's tray could now move in two planes, thanks to which the projectile dismounting was ensured at any angle of the instrument's elevation. In addition, the automatics independently monitored all stages of preparation for the shot. The absence of the need to return the barrel to a predetermined position for reloading made it possible to bring the rate of fire to 2,5 shots per minute.

In the stern of the hull, next to the gun installation, we managed to find a place for additional ammunition. The Peony could carry an 4 203-mm shot-loading shot. In the “Malka” project, the portable ammunition load doubled.

The 2А44 gun was not being finalized, and therefore 2С7М retained the ability to use the entire range of shots of the existing “Pion”. With this gun it was possible to use high-explosive, concrete and cluster munitions of several types. In addition, three types of 203-mm nuclear projectiles were developed. The maximum mass of compatible shells reached 110 kg. Depending on a number of factors, the Malka, like the Peony, could send projectiles at a distance of up to 47,5 km.

Due to the lack of sufficient volumes on board, the projectiles and charges were to be supplied from the ground or from a truck-carrier of ammunition. In both cases, units of the standard loading mechanism were used to work with shots.

The most important innovation of the new project 2С7М “Malka” became automated means of communication and control. The combat vehicle received systems for receiving data from a senior battery officer. The obtained data for automatic firing were displayed on digital indicators installed at the workplaces of the self-propelled gunner's gunner. After receiving the data, they could carry out a tip and prepare a weapon for a shot.

Self-propelled gun retained the existing composition of additional weapons. For self-defense, it was proposed to use a large-caliber machine gun NSVT in an open installation. Also, in case of enemy air strikes, the crew had to have a Strela-2 or Igla portable anti-aircraft complex.

"Malka" in a fighting position, a view of the stern. Photo

For a certain simplification of the operation of the self-propelled gun "Malka" received a set of equipment regulatory control. As part of the power plant, transmission, chassis, weapons, etc. There are numerous sensors associated with data processing devices. Ensured continuous monitoring of the work and the state of all major systems with the issuance of information on the console in the cockpit. Among other things, it was supposed to facilitate the search for breakdowns and maintenance of equipment.

The use of a number of new systems has reduced the calculation of the self-propelled gun. The operation of the base "Peony" was assigned to seven people. The automatic control system 2C7М was to be controlled by only six. Half of the crew - the driver, the commander and one of the gunners - on the march were located in the front cabin, access to which was provided by hatches in the roof. The compartment for the three other calculation numbers was behind the engine compartment. All habitable volumes had protection against weapons of mass destruction.

A number of new systems simplified and accelerated the preparation for combat work. The 2C7 self-propelled gun, according to the standards, spent on deploying and collapsing 10 minutes. In the case of 2C7M, this work required only 7 and 5 minutes, respectively. Thus, the modernized SAU could open fire faster, perform the required shooting faster, and then withdraw from the position from under the retaliatory strike.

According to the results of the modernization, the Malka ACS has retained the dimensions of the base sample, but at the same time it has become slightly heavier. Its combat mass has grown from the original 45 to 46,5 t. Despite this, the new engine provided an increase in power density and a corresponding improvement in mobility. The maximum speed now exceeded 50 km / h, and besides, the permeability on difficult landscapes increased.

In 1985, the prototype of the 2-7М Malka self-propelled gun passed tests, during which it confirmed its capabilities and characteristics. Soon came the order to adopt a new model for service and an order for the production of serial equipment. With the mass production, self-propelled guns of the new type were supposed to complement the existing Peonies in parts. Over time, it was planned to replace the less advanced combat vehicles.

SAU high power 2C7M "Malka"
Shot of 203-mm guns at the April drills of 2018. Photo by the RF Ministry of Defense

Serial "Malki" transmitted the same parts as the "Peony" before. They were intended for individual self-propelled artillery battalions of high-powered artillery brigades from the artillery of the High Command reserve. In most divisions, there was an 12 ACS combined into three batteries. Also in the teams there were battalions and batteries equipped with other high-powered tools.

Until the early nineties, artillery brigades equipped with "Peonies" and "Malkami" served throughout the Soviet Union. After the entry into force of the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe, Russian self-propelled guns had to be sent outside the Urals. As a result, all this type of equipment is at the disposal of parts of the Eastern Military District. To date, its units, equipped with artillery of high power, appeared in the composition of other military districts.

According to the directory The Military Balance for the 2018 year, the Russian armed forces are currently operating 60 Malka type combat vehicles. The remaining high-powered self-propelled guns, both the basic 2C7 and the upgraded 2C7М, have been sent to storage. According to others, the number of active self-propelled two types is much smaller. Despite the relatively small number, this technique is actively used and regularly participates in combat training activities.

Continuing service "Malki" constantly show their capabilities, and their calculations are mastering new methods of combat work. For example, according to the Ministry of Defense, at the beginning of April, regular training artillery firing of high power from the Central Military District took place. The 2X7M self-propelled guns hit the conditional enemy targets at a distance of 30 km. For the timely detection of targets, data transmission and fire adjustment, modern unmanned aerial vehicles "Orlan-10" were used. Training shooting ended successful defeat of these goals.

The existing "Malki" continue the service and are unlikely to retire in the foreseeable future. The high power of their cannons to a certain extent reduces the range of tasks to be solved, however, even in this case they occupy an important place in the structure of the rocket forces and artillery. Thus, the army will continue to operate the existing self-propelled guns, and in addition, their modernization is possible in one way or another.

To maintain technical readiness, ACS 2C7М require regular repairs, including the replacement of obsolete components. The current development of technology in theory makes it possible to modernize the Malki, equipping them with new communication and control devices, which will further enhance the combat performance. In addition, the potential of such equipment can be increased by developing promising 203-mm shells, primarily managed ones. Updated on-board equipment and adjustable projectiles will obviously increase the accuracy and effectiveness of the shooting.

The ground forces need high-powered artillery systems suitable for particularly powerful strikes. The Russian army has a significant number of self-propelled guns with large caliber guns, and one of the foundations of such a grouping is the SAU 2C7 "Peony" and 2C7М "Malka". They will probably remain in the ranks for a long time and help other artillery to solve especially complex tasks.

Based on:
Efremov A.S. The seventh "flower" in the artillery "bouquet" and its unified heirs. "Pion". // Technique and weapons, 2012. No.12.
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  1. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 20 2018 05: 24
    “Malka” and “Tulip” ..... “Tamara and I walk a couple” ... With adjustable shells, such a “couple” can do a lot of things! For such calibers, the “wound” GOS is also easier to shove a rocket accelerator .... In the United States, at the end of the 20 century, for the 203-mm howitzer M110, an active-rocket projectile (with ramjet, cluster, with ARGSNMM ...) with a range of up to 70 was developed km ... For Russian 203-mm artillery shells ramjets are very suitable! Yes, and drones too ...
    1. nikoliski
      nikoliski April 20 2018 06: 04
      For Malka, an adjustable projectile was not created - it was created to shoot at a 2-kiloton tactical nuclear projectile (so a miss of half a kilometer is not too critical for her) for modern realities (if you do not shoot precisely high-performance nuclear shells under which the self-propelled guns were created) the weapon is completely useless. The predecessor with Ptur Helfire is capable of destroying many more targets on purpose (he even had a flight altitude of 4800 meters was thought out to be unattainable not only for shiloks and man-portable air defense systems, but they also couldn’t reach him (up to 3000 m high)) the drone is capable of independently detecting a target (for example, flying over a forest, seeing several tanks at the edge), immediately destroy them, and the self-propelled guns need someone to scout the targets, in addition, Malki does not have a satellite reference to the terrain, so shoot without a deep modernization from it is pop I’m tired of wasting shells (like Ukrainians beat on Donetsk, like militias, they only destroy everything, because for artillery, as one acquaintance artilleryman who served on the MSTA S-200 meter told me this is not a miss)
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 20 2018 06: 29
        Quote: nikoliski
        Malki did not create an adjustable shell

        Quote: nikoliski
        Self-propelled guns need someone to scout the targets, besides Malki has no satellite reference to the terrain,

        Well? Did you say something that was not known to members of the forum? Well no ! Although ... actually, you did the right thing! Here I am wrong! You have "listed" the points of the plan for the upcoming modernization of "Malki" ("Peony")! wink Art.system of special power was created in the last century, about fifty years ago! During this time, the organizational and technological "base of war" has changed .... a lot needs to be replaced or modernized (sometimes "deep"). So Malku ("Peony") expects modernization: corrected active-reactive artillery shells ; drones, GPS navigation ....
        1. nikoliski
          nikoliski April 20 2018 07: 11
          If the battery of sausages will receive target designation from a drone, if a 203 mm projectile with a laser seeker is created for it (so that later this very drone would simply highlight the targets with a laser and the shells would lie exactly on target) then this weapon will sparkle with new colors (I doubt it will be true , and most likely the Chinese in 10 years will seize the armament depots in Siberia and turn our arsenals against us, I don’t want to be a pessimist, but that's all for that ...)
          1. Mooh
            Mooh April 20 2018 07: 43
            Do not worry, 10 years is a long time. By that time, we can have time with the 3rd World War wink
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          3. Normal ok
            Normal ok April 23 2018 16: 00
            If, if, if ...
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 20 2018 09: 32
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          So "Malku" ("Peony") expects modernization: corrected active-reactive artillery shells; drones, GPS navigation ....

          This will not make her adapted to modern warfare.
          Its main disadvantage is its low rate of fire.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 20 2018 10: 48
            But don’t accept ....... do you have a simplified view of the concept of "modern warfare"? Or vice versa .... too "abstruse"? "" Malka "is not for modern warfare, but it has one drawback (!) ...... oh yes, low rate of fire! And this is enough to declare the art system obsolete! Is the war in the Donbass modern or not? Not modern? Was it .... two hundred years ago or thirty? And the war in Syria? Also not modern? There are still scorching from M-46, M-160, M-240 .... BTR-60, T-55 are skating ...! This war is not a hundred, not thirty years ago .... it is going on now, in the "modern" time. Another "modern" war, comrade Lopatov, is mute for you! These wars are going on in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Donbass now (!), now (!) ... and in these wars they shoot from M-46 and 2А44 (Peony) (!) .... and they are not "modern"!? belay "Malka" ("Peony") is in the arsenal of the Russian army and the military are not going to part with them yet, and this fact perfectly indicates the demand for the gun, and therefore it’s not for you to judge whether the art system is outdated or not. And in my opinion, for “Malki” and “Tulip” there is a niche of application both in current conflicts and in the near future ...
            Nobody denies the need for modernization and it is planned! They are planning to develop corrective (GPS-correction, GOS ...) active-reactive artillery shells, drones are possible that are placed in the 203-mm shell or on a separate launcher. The fighting in Iraq and Syria showed great demand for large caliber .... there are even created. For example, large-caliber "Eres" of short range, but of great power! So why did the Malka become bad, combining both high power and long range? What will be the worse the 203-mm adjustable concrete-piercing projectile? So why do you, “negatives” of “Malki”, without trying “honey”, shout: bitterly! "?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 20 2018 11: 21
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              And this is enough to declare the art system obsolete!

              Exactly! One shot with fire and its subsequent abandonment is not acceptable for modern warfare

              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Is the war in the Donbass modern or not? Not modern?

              So far, Ukrainians do not use “several divisions” according to the ABC for the counter-battery, but a mortar platoon and spend 6 minutes on such “counter-battery” instead of the 300 set according to the ABC. The war is not modern.
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin April 20 2018 12: 23
                The question is from an area of ​​abstract reality. If it is possible by modernization to install cassette charging? 5 or 6 shells per minute with the subsequent leaving the position and a long reload of the cartridge for the next salvo. Will this change her adaptability to modern warfare? I am interested in your opinion as a specialist in artillery.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov April 20 2018 15: 26
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  If it is possible by modernization to install cassette charging? 5 or 6 shells per minute with the subsequent leaving the position and a long reload of the cartridge for the next salvo. Will this change her adaptability to modern warfare?

                  Yes. will change.
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin April 20 2018 16: 35
                    Hoping for a more detailed answer. But thanks for that. I thought the same, now I'm sure.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov April 20 2018 19: 08
                      Well, what else is there to write?
                      Rate of fire is the biggest problem. And the most difficult to solve. Well, the installation of modern ASUNO on its background is so, nonsense.
                      1. Bratkov Oleg
                        Bratkov Oleg 27 February 2019 11: 08
                        Khrushchev, Nikita Sergeyevich, hell knows when he said that artillery is not needed if there are rockets. A similar situation was with the Americans, who were going to shoot down enemy aircraft with ultra-long missiles, without visual contact. but reality has shown that artillery is also needed, and guns on fighter jets are also needed.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 20 2018 09: 38
        Quote: nikoliski
        For Malki, an adjustable shell was not created - she was created to shoot a tactical nuclear shell at 2 kilotons

        It was created to destroy SDs and other highly protected targets. Which on the modern battlefield are very rare.

        Quote: nikoliski
        In addition, Malki does not have a satellite reference to the terrain, so without the most profound modernization to shoot from it is a waste of shells

        Old School binding methods have greater accuracy compared to global positioning. They just take more time. What for “Malki” is immaterial.
        1. Bratkov Oleg
          Bratkov Oleg 27 February 2019 11: 10
          Quote: Spade
          .... They just take longer. Which is irrelevant for "Malka".

          And provided that the navigation satellites are destroyed, it’s a huge advantage ...
      3. kirgiz58
        kirgiz58 April 20 2018 09: 46
        Quote: nikoliski
        Predator Ptur Helfire is able to destroy much more targets

        And the "Caliber" can destroy the pedoreitor in places of basing. And now what? Do not interfere with a bunch of incomparable weapons. Compare with each other self-propelled guns and then draw conclusions.
        1. nikoliski
          nikoliski April 20 2018 18: 16
          Well, let's compare with the Sau-Coalition better than the Malka ammunition. 10 times more Coralition firing range declared up to 70km! the rate of fire is 5 times higher, the speed of the self-propelled gun itself (and the range is higher) the accuracy of the ammunition is incomparably higher, continue to continue? or it’s even clear to you that the Malka has outlived its own and the future behind the coalition, or when compared to the Western self-propelled guns, it’s behind the PzH 2000, it has a firing range of 57 km (with Malka with a similar projectile 47 km), high rate of fire (in principle, many foreign self-propelled guns they have the function of the first 3 shots in 9 seconds) (by the way, the peony has only 4 shells in the BC, the malki has 8, and the German has 60 shells) satellite-guided shells, with laser correction, in addition, in terms of protection, there are blocks on the roof of the German dynamic protection (to protect against submunitions from ka Set attacking from above) Now I have likened Malka modern SAU- you satisfied?
          1. Bratkov Oleg
            Bratkov Oleg 27 February 2019 11: 14
            Well, all the navigation satellites were knocked down, what next? Where to "Germans" to beat with their ammunition? Does NATO ammunition include a projectile with a nuclear warhead?
            The main difference in weapons is that they need to seize the territory of Russia, and the resources located in Russia. If this territory becomes radioactive, it will complicate its development. Russia needs to do as much damage as possible to the enemy’s territory, and let him live there as he wants. Nuclear weapons, they are also weapons of peace on Earth, are just what we need.
      4. NIKNN
        NIKNN April 20 2018 16: 21
        Quote: nikoliski
        for artillery, as a friend of mine, a gunner who had served at the MSTA S-200 meter, told me this is not a miss

        Well, they used to say that the accuracy of shooting accuracy is compensated by the caliber of the guns ... smile
        1. nikoliski
          nikoliski April 20 2018 18: 22
          This is if the running infantry is broken off with fragments in the field, then it is quite appropriate, but if you get into the dugout? already experimentally proven, 100 shells (100 carls!) were self-propelled by the MSTA S self-propelled guns used to destroy Dot out of direct view (that is, as in the Donbass, knowing the coordinates they were thrown at the right point, they could hit a direct hit and destroy from the hundredth shell) and also the very task when using the projectile Krasnopol-needed 2 shells! two! I think only (or the Ukrainian generals, shooting in quarters, but for some reason who are unable to cover the headquarters of the DPR) do not understand the super importance of precision weapons, it saves not only ammunition, it saves the most important thing in battle-TIME!
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN April 20 2018 18: 37
            Quote: nikoliski
            they don’t understand the super importance of precisely precision weapons, it saves not only ammunition, it preserves the most important thing in battle - TIME!

            In no discussion even ... In a real battle, it was hardly given the opportunity to produce
            100 shells (100 Karl!)
            1. nikoliski
              nikoliski April 20 2018 18: 53
              And I mean, too, while they were trying to get them into the battle and not by training, they would have destroyed them, so Krasnopol with guidance from an unmanned aerial vehicle is a panacea; in an hour you can destroy a bunch of targets on purpose, instead of ridiculous attempts to get into one ...
  2. Yrec
    Yrec April 20 2018 09: 25
    And where are the proposals to put the gun from the "Malki" to Armata? 7 rollers just under it.
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 April 20 2018 09: 49
      Quote: Yrec
      And where are the proposals to put the gun from the "Malki" to Armata? 7 rollers just under it.

      So there is already standing. fellow You yourself noted about the “seven rinks”, which means already on Armata. laughing It remains to sheathe an uninhabited tower (not so important, it will protect against dust and precipitation), and the crew’s floor is already sitting together in front. tongue
    KVU-NSVD April 20 2018 11: 15
    That’s who needs the corrected ammunition - what the doctor ordered, taking into account the specifics of the tasks of such artillery. And projects to modernize equipment from storage would not hurt .. First of all, to increase the range and accuracy.
  4. Cympak
    Cympak April 20 2018 16: 27
    Eh, for this “Malka” there would still be a shell with ANN / Glonas guidance - there would be no price ....
    And so .... with its accuracy at a maximum distance, only shoot at cities or deliver neutron "gifts".
    1. Bratkov Oleg
      Bratkov Oleg 27 February 2019 11: 20
      The United States withdrew from the treaty on medium- and short-range missiles, and Malka is comparable, and even, in some matters, exceeds the capabilities of a tactical missile launcher. Malku was limited, like conventional weapons. Russia's withdrawal from the conventional arms limitation treaty is quite natural, as a response to US actions. Anyway, NOTA has more simple weapons than Russia, only tactical nuclear weapons, and they will extinguish these weapons and withdraw from the treaty on simple weapons and transfer heavy artillery to the European part, it takes literally several days.
  5. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 20 2018 17: 19
    A good installation, and if they upgrade.
  6. nikoliski
    nikoliski April 20 2018 19: 45
    I was thinking now, what good is there in the 203 mm guns and came to the conclusion that if you do not shoot the nuclear shells for which they are intended, then there is NOTHING at all! Let's take the example of my city Liski, black soil around, near Don flowing, on the chalk cliffs, imagine my choice of Peony (with 4 shells in a transportable bomber, only four!) Or a good old clove 122mm, which showed itself well in Syria will remain in service (although they wanted to shoot before) to shoot from a 203 mm gun for any purpose I need to make sure that in the half-kilometer area (and taking into account a miss better than a kilometer) there are none of our foot soldiers, so as not to stupidly cut them with fragments, rate of fire Peony (one and a half shots per minute) utah, that is, to create a flurry of fire will not work and most likely after a couple of shots I will be spotted and destroyed) then a heavy 46-ton colossus will obviously sit on the belly in our chernozem (you would have looked what right now is the trash in our fields - the Germans fought here, paved the way from steel sheets, so that the tanks do not get stuck in the black soil after the rain) Well, to force Don, I need a heavy pontoon (which is most likely to be destroyed afloat) Now let's check the Carnation - it’s lighter, it means more passable, bk is much faster the aim is higher, you can shoot not far from your forces and even aiming with direct aiming (which, in principle, is difficult to imagine with 203 mm guns), a rotating tower will continue to fire in any direction in case of loss of stroke (in contrast to 203 mm guns that can only hit forward, the harp jumps off and you can throw the car, in the field and under fire, you can’t put it already, it’s not WOT) then the carnation can swim over water obstacles without using watercraft (the instructions only say reduce ammunition to 22 shells and everything can be forced to swim a river of any depth by swimming, unlike the same tanks with ATVs, for which 6 meters of depth is already the limit) I come to the conclusion that cheaper, unpretentious and inexpensive to maintain Carnation will still give odds to this mastodon of the Cold War era, but I repeat in a local conflict, and if you use it for its intended purpose, fire nuclear shells, then it’s quite possible to show itself to itself in the reflection of Chinese hordes)
    1. Ok
      Ok 9 May 2020 16: 26
      1. well, 46 tons is not so hot what mass is compared with our tanks and the absolutely indecent mass of abrams.
      2. They won’t send small fish to your black soil without careful reconnaissance, because this is not a T-72 plug for each barrel (in the good sense of the word), but a reserve reserve.
  7. Saxahorse
    Saxahorse April 21 2018 19: 14
    There are big doubts that for guns it is advisable to use guided projectiles. For the price they will approach rockets but the combat load is much less. Mostly iron for strength. It seems to me the maximum expediency for guided missiles is mines and howitzers.
  8. Div Divich
    Div Divich April 22 2018 02: 29
    Self-propelled guns of high power, and whether they are needed at the present time in aviation ... It's time for these self-propelled guns to the museum.

    Instead, they need light airborne self-propelled guns on both wheeled and tracked chassis. Their main advantage over tanks is their firing range. Advantage to towed guns (electronic guidance system).
  9. Lyutoyar R.
    Lyutoyar R. April 22 2018 23: 02
    Quote: nikoliski
    If the battery of sausages will receive target designation from a drone, if a 203 mm projectile with a laser seeker is created for it (so that later this very drone would simply highlight the targets with a laser and the shells would lie exactly on target) then this weapon will sparkle with new colors (I doubt it will be true , and most likely the Chinese in 10 years will seize the armament depots in Siberia and turn our arsenals against us, I don’t want to be a pessimist, but that's all for that ...)

    I’ve heard about this for about 15 years, if not more. Nobody has captured anything so far.
  10. viktorche
    viktorche April 23 2018 11: 19
    live their life
    VOENOBOZ April 25 2018 11: 09
    19th century guns stopped German tanks near Moscow
    True will to win!
    In the difficult days of the defense of Moscow on the section of Solnechnogorsk - Krasnaya Polyana, which was defended by the 16th army of Rokossovsky, there was a unique case of the use of artillery pieces of the Russian-Turkish war. In those days, Rokossovsky turned to Zhukov with a request to urgently help anti-tank artillery. Zhukov had nothing in reserve; he turned to Stalin himself for help. Stalin suggested that Rokossovsky take away a few training tools from the F.E.Dzerzhinsky Artillery Academy.
    1. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 10 May 2018 20: 22
      In 1941, when searching for a means of repelling Germans rushing to Moscow, from a warehouse where there were many dozens of 3-inch RIAs, they were widely used - they urgently put together numerous batteries and the front section was stabilized, bombarding them with constantly firing guns. They fired for more than a week, the offensive on this sector of the front was stopped. The fact is interesting, recorded by one front officer in the Moscow direction, you can search on-line.
  12. sk3766
    sk3766 19 August 2018 14: 37
    Send at least 5 of these things to the DPR chop the dill.