Military Review

Submariners rescue denied

Every year in March, Russia celebrates the Day of the Submariner. Usually by this date it is customary to recall the achievements of our fleet, his exploits, stories, the replenishment of new ships. However, the rather important question remains in the shadow of how modern the Russian navy is prepared for emergency situations with submarines and overcoming their consequences. As Viktor Ilyukhin, a doctor of technical sciences, a professor and laureate of the State Prize of the Russian Federation in the field of science and technology, notes, plans for the development of rescue and search facilities in our country are constantly frustrated. The lessons that tragedy with the Kursk submarine taught us remain unlearned.

The tragedy with the nuclear submarine missile cruiser (APRC) "Kursk" occurred 12 August 2000 year. After a series of explosions on board, the nuclear-powered ship sank at a depth of 108 meters in 175 kilometers from Severomorsk. As a result of the disaster, all 118 crew members aboard the submarine were killed. As the state commission later found out, the explosion of the 65-76 “Kit” torpedo in the torpedo tube No. XXUMX led to the crash. As it was possible to establish, most of the crew of the boat died almost instantly or within a few minutes after the explosion.

Only 23 man could survive the flooding of the submarine, hiding in the aft, 9-m compartment of the submarine. All crew members gathered in the 9 compartment were from the 6-7-8-9 of the Kursk compartments. A note was also found here by the captain-lieutenant Dmitry Kolesnikov, the commander of the turbine group of the movement division (7 compartment of the Kursk). As Admiral Vyacheslav Popov later commanded the Northern Fleet, after the explosion on board, the surviving submariners struggled for the survivability of the stern compartments of the boat for just over an hour. Having done everything in their power, they moved to the 9 th asylum compartment. The last note, which was made by Lieutenant Commander Dmitry Kolesnikov, was written by him in 15: 15 12 in August 2000, exactly this time is indicated in the note.

As experts later established, all the submariners remaining in the 9 compartment died during the 7-8 hours (maximum) after the tragedy. They were poisoned by carbon monoxide. When charging the RDU (regeneration and breathing device) with fresh plates or hanging additional regenerative oxygen plates in open form (not in RDU installations) in safe places of the 9 compartment, the sailors are considered to be or accidentally dropped the plates, allowing them to come into contact with the oil in the compartment and fuel, or allowed accidental contact with oil on the plate. The subsequent explosion and fire almost immediately burned out all the oxygen in the compartment, filling it with carbon dioxide, from which the submariners lost consciousness, and then died, there was simply no oxygen left in the compartment.

Submariners rescue denied

They could not have been saved even if they had managed to leave the ill-fated 9 compartment on their own through an emergency rescue hatch (ASL). In this case, even those who managed to get to the surface would not be able to live more than 10-12 hours in the Barents Sea, even while in hydro-overalls, the water temperature at that time was + 4..5 degrees Celsius. At the same time, the leadership of the fleet search actions were announced only after more than 12 hours after the disaster, at the same time the boat was recognized emergency. And the first ships arrived at the place of submarine death only after 17 hours. The situation was aggravated by the fact that an emergency rescue buoy (ASB), which was supposed to emerge after the tragedy in automatic mode, accurately specifying the location of the submarine, actually remained on board, which the submariners did not know about.

The tragedy of the Kursk nuclear missile system became the last major catastrophe in the Russian nuclear fleet, revealing a large number of problems in the organization of search and rescue support (PSO) of the Russian Navy. The lack of modern vessels, the lack of necessary diving equipment, and the imperfection of work organization were revealed. Only 20 August 2000, the Norwegian vessel Seaway Eagle was allowed to rescue at the site of the tragedy, the divers from which were able to open the aft escape hatch of the submarine the next day. By that time there was no one to rescue by boat, as it will become known later, all submariners died before the search and rescue operation began.

All accidents and disasters that occur in the fleet are the starting point for action and taking measures to equip the fleet with modern means of rescue crews in distress ships. The disaster with Kursk was no exception. The country has taken a number of measures aimed at improving the means and forces designed to rescue submarine crews. So in 2001-2003 overseas, it was possible to acquire modern remote-controlled unmanned vehicles (TNLA), as well as deep-sea normobaric space suits and other special equipment, some documents regulating rescue operations were rewritten and re-approved. Taking into account the experience gained, new models of diving and rescue equipment have been developed, and on some submarines, improved rescue systems for submariners were introduced.

As noted in an article published in the issue of the military-industrial complex newspaper 10 (723) for 13 in March 2018, Viktor Ilyukhin, due to the acquisition of imported equipment, the capabilities of Russian rescuers somewhat increased, as many operations that were previously carried out by divers in ordinary deep-water equipment began to be performed with the help of TNPA or with the use of special rigid normobaric space suits, which are, in fact, a mini-bathyscaph, reliably protecting its operator from the enormous pressure of the water column. Thanks to their use, the process of inspecting submarines has accelerated, the process of delivering livelihood support equipment to emergency crews has been simplified.

Rescue ship "Igor Belousov"

A significant step forward was the “Concept for the Development of JI Systems of the Russian Navy for the Period up to 2025 of the Year”, which was approved by the Minister of Defense of the country 14 in February of 2014. The first stage of this program, calculated up to 2015, included providing rescuers with modern means of assisting emergency facilities at sea and carrying out underwater work with minimal environmental damage, as well as the process of deep modernization of the existing deep-water vehicles and the beginning of the construction of a series of 21300 ships vessel) with rescue deep-water vehicles (MUH) of the new generation Bester-1.

The second phase of the program, planned for the 2016-2020 years, envisaged the creation of special multi-purpose rescue vessels of the near-sea and long-distance sea and ocean zones, as well as basing points of the fleet ships. The third stage (2021 - 2025 years) assumed the creation of an airmobile rescue system for submariners. This system is planned to be used from non-specialized carrier vessels or specially designed for this purpose combat submarines of the Russian fleet. Also adopted in 2014, the concept envisaged the development of rescue facilities for submariners in the Arctic, including under the ice.

How the concept is implemented

In December 2015, the composition of the Russian Navy ships was added to the rescue vessel of the ocean class "Igor Belousov." It is about the lead ship of the project 21300С “Dolphin”. "Igor Belousov" is intended for crew rescue, supply of life-saving equipment, air and electricity to emergency submarines lying on the ground or in surface position, as well as surface ships. In addition, a rescue ship can search and survey emergency facilities in a given area of ​​the oceans, including as part of international maritime rescue teams.

This rescue vessel is the carrier of the new generation generation BESTER-1 of the 18271 project. This unit has a working depth of diving to 720 meters. One of the features of the device is the presence of a new guidance system, landing and attachment to an emergency submarine. The new camera docking to the emergency exit from the submarine allows you to evacuate submariners at a time to 22 at a time up to 45 degrees. The ship also has an imported deep-sea diving complex GVK-450, produced by the Scottish company Divex, and was supplied by Tethys Pro.

Bester-1 rescue deep-water craft

Also within the framework of the implementation of the adopted concept, the 4-x rescue deep-water apparatuses (MUH) were upgraded with a longer service life of the devices. But in terms of finalizing tripping devices to ensure lifting of MUH with people, as well as installing a docking station with pressure chambers to ensure decompression of submariners, the task was not completed. The need for the presence in the search and rescue support of the Navy of ships with MUH equipped with modular means of maintaining the life of the crew of submarines and decompression pressure chambers is confirmed by numerous international exercises in which foreign 1970-s foreign rescue vessels take part, modern equipment that meets today's requirements of the day In this regard, in Russia, it is still important to modernize existing rescue vessels that are carriers of MUH. The main point of the implementation of the second stage of the concept was the creation of 11 rescue tugboats of various projects: 22870, 02980, 23470, 22540 and 745mp, as well as 29 offshore and multifunctional diving boats of 23040 and 23370 projects, which, however, are not intended to rescue emergency personnel underwater boats lying on the ground.

The problem lies in the fact that “Igor Belousov” is the only ship of this type in the entire Russian fleet. 1 June 2016, a rescue ship under the command of captain 3-rank Alexei Nekhodtsev, left Baltiysk, the ship successfully overcame more than 14 thousand sea miles, arriving in Vladivostok on September 5. Today the ship is based in the same place, being part of the Pacific Fleet of Russia. According to the previously adopted concept, it was planned to build the 5 serial ships of the 21300 project, as well as to create a multifunctional rescue vessel in the far sea and ocean zone, but work in this direction had not yet begun. Not even the requirements for the serial ship of this project have been clarified, which would take into account the experience of testing and operating the already constructed lead ship Igor Belousov. In addition, Russia has not resolved the issue of creating a domestic deep-sea diving complex. It is planned to build a series of rescue ships before 2027. According to the plans, it is planned to have at least one such vessel in each fleet.

There is no place for GVK

The technology of diving works by the method of conducting long dives over the past 25 years has hardly changed. This happens not only because the performance of divers at great depths is very low, but mainly due to the rapid development of robotics and unmanned vehicles, including underwater ones. The top cover of the ill-fated emergency rescue 9 of the nuclear submarine Kursk was opened with the help of manipulators of a foreign uninhabited submersible (NPA). In all the recent search and rescue operations that have been carried out at sea over the past 20 years, the relatively high efficiency of the use of remote-controlled NLA has been confirmed.

So 4 August 2005 of the Russian rescue deep-water device project 1855 "Prize" (AC-28) as part of a planned dive in Kamchatka near Berezovaya Bay got entangled in the elements of the underwater hydrophone system and was unable to surface. In contrast to the situation with the "Kursk", the leadership of the Navy immediately turned to other countries for help. The rescue operation was carried out for several days, the United Kingdom, the USA and Japan joined it. 7 August, the British TNPA Scorpion released AC-28. All the sailors aboard the ship were rescued.

Seaweye Remote Control Submersible Unmanned Submersible

Normobaric spacesuits, which, unlike GVK, occupy significantly less space on a rescue ship, also show high efficiency. However, to completely replace divers unmanned vehicles and normobaric suits are not able, at least for now. For this reason, the need for divers when working at depths up to 200-300 meters when solving not only military but also civilian tasks still remains. It is worth noting that the rescue vessel "Igor Belousov" has two normobaric spacesuits HS-1200, as well as the TNE Seaeye Tiger, capable of operating at depths up to 1000 meters.

Currently available foreign vessels with GVK, as a rule, are designed for underwater technical and diving operations in solving various civilian tasks at depths of up to 500 meters. At the same time, they can also be involved in rescue operations in the interests of the naval forces, as happened with the Kursk submarine. According to Viktor Ilyukhin, the following tendency has been outlined in the Navy of foreign states in the development of rescue of personnel of emergency submarines lying on the ground. It consists in the development of mobile systems that allow rescuing crews of distressed submarines from a depth of 610 meters and are placed on civilian vessels. In kits that can be transported if necessary aviation or by conventional motor transport, include SGA, normobaric spacesuits with the ability to immerse up to 610 meters and TNPA with a working depth of up to 1000 meters, decompression pressure chambers. Moreover, there are no deep-sea diving complexes as part of these systems.

According to the expert, the experience of carrying out various rescue operations tells us that when removing the locations of search and rescue forces from possible areas of submarine accidents, timely arrival at the place of rescue vessels to evacuate the crew of the emergency submarine or maintain its vital activity is not always realistic. It is necessary to take into account the adverse weather conditions that can be observed in the area where the submarine is in emergency, which also imposes its own limitations, sometimes very significant.

Along with this, the extreme factors that can be observed in the emergency boat compartments: increased pressure and air temperature, the presence of harmful gases and impurities - significantly reduce the crew survival time. The personnel may simply not wait for help from outside; in such a situation, it is necessary for them to make a decision about an independent exit from the boat, which in some cases turns out to be the only possible rescue option.

Despite the fact that the designers have carried out some studies aimed at resolving issues of more efficient use of pop-up cameras, automating the process of locking and reducing the time of this process, there remains a need to improve all elements of the rescue complex of submarines. A comparison of Russian sluice systems with foreign counterparts shows us that Russian submariners take much more time to complete, which seriously affects the effectiveness of the rescue operation. Also, the question of the ascent of rescue rafts from the submarines on the ground has not been resolved. At the same time, such a decision would significantly increase the probability of the survival of submariners before approaching the place of the accident by rescuers.

The issue of rescue submarines and the involvement of civil courts

As Viktor Ilyukhin notes, rescue vessels and deep-sea rescue vehicles currently available in the Russian fleet have a rather large disadvantage: they are not able to operate in areas covered by ice, and they can also be ineffective in free water with increased sea waves. . In this case, a very good option, which would ensure the operational arrival of rescuers with a lesser dependence on meteorological conditions at the accident site, would be special rescue submarines. For example, specially equipped for this purpose, combat submarines, the appearance of which is provided by the 3-th stage of the concept.

Earlier in the USSR there were such boats. In the 1970-ies were built two diesel rescue boat project 940 "Lenok". Later, they confirmed their effectiveness, but at the end of the 1990-s were withdrawn from the Russian fleet, which has since not received an equivalent replacement. These boats were carriers of two deep-sea rescue vehicles operating at a depth of up to 500 meters, diving equipment for work at a depth of up to 300 meters and a complex of continuous-decompression chambers and a long-stay compartment. In addition, rescue submarines were equipped with special devices and systems, for example, a gas supply, air supply and utilization of gas mixtures. Devices for supplying VVD and SPS, devices for smearing of silt, cutting and welding of metal.

940 Rescue Submarine

Viktor Ilyukhin also points to the experience of recent years, when all ships were involved for conducting large-scale rescue operations, regardless of their departmental affiliation. In this regard, it is worth paying attention to the civilian fleet and multifunctional vessels that can be used in the interests of the Russian Navy during rescue operations. For example, the Russian company Mezhregiontruboprovodstroi JSC has a special purpose ship Kendrick, this vessel is equipped with a MGVK-300 deep-sea diving complex, which provides work at a depth of 300 meters, as well as a TNPA for carrying out underwater engineering works at a depth of 3000 meters . In this regard, it seems relevant to conduct joint exercises of the Navy and other Russian departments and companies to assist and rescue personnel from submarines lying on the ground.

In general, the expert notes the fact that the first two stages of the implementation of the “Concept for the Development of JI Systems of the Russian Navy for the Period to 2025” were not implemented. Comparing the current state of forces and means of rescue of submarine crews with the 2000 year, Ilyukhin notes that significant changes have affected only the Pacific Fleet. In this regard, it is extremely important to update the designated concept regarding the activities indicated in it and the timing of their implementation; this must be done as quickly as possible.

Information sources:заживо-погребенные.html
Open source materials
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Seaflame
    Seaflame April 17 2018 06: 26
    Thank you for raising the topic. This must not be forgotten. The sea of ​​mistakes does not forgive and the tragedy of Kursk must be kept in focus. Yes, the Navy is full of problems with the commissioning of new combat units, the physical and moral depreciation of the mine-sweeping personnel. But to lose sailors in peacetime is scary.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo April 17 2018 06: 45
      Quote: Seaflame
      Thank you for raising the topic. This must not be forgotten.

      I support, this is more important than raising the salary of deputies and civil servants. These and so chocolate.
      I hope that the deputies of the Duma also look at the VO (judging by the words from the site) and raise the topic.
    2. Megatron
      Megatron April 17 2018 17: 46
      Another article with a bunch of lies. People were not specially saved so that no one could reveal the truth about the torpedoing of our American boat.
      1. Seaflame
        Seaflame April 18 2018 01: 27
        You know, I’ve heard so many versions ... Both the torpedoing of the American submarine and the strike on Kursk with the Peter the Great TARKR aren’t a number ... In any case, the rescue equipment of the cruiser and the Navy’s equipment didn’t show their best need to do something.
      2. geniy
        geniy April 18 2018 17: 17
        so that no one could reveal the truth about the torpedoing of our American boat.

        This is a common misconception. Although I also hate the United States, But they have nothing to do with the death of Kursk. Although there really was an American nuclear submarine in that area, it only from afar watched the exercises go on, and subsequently reported that it heard the sound of air escaping. But the fact is that even with normal ascent, air can escape from the tanks, so the Commander of the American nuclear submarine did not realize that a catastrophe was occurring.
        And you all think that it was the American nuclear submarine that drowned Kursk precisely because literally in the very first days there was a message that next to Kursk at the bottom lies the broken-off cabin of another submarine. And since it is clear to everyone that no other Russian submarine had a "break" in the cutting, the whole people immediately thought that it was the American submarine that encountered Kursk.
        And only I realized that this is wild nonsense with a breakaway - after all, the submarine chopping is not at all a handle of a porcelain watch that can easily break off. The cabin of any submarine is made of very strong, elastic and plastic sheets of steel, and in extreme cases it can be crushed into a cake, but in no case can it be broken off. But couldn’t the domestic mass media tell the whole people such a wild lie? And then I began to independently search for the answer - what really happened there. A few days later, the media reported that a Russian rescue vessel lifted a pile of debris from the bottom in that area with a total weight of about 5 tons. But all of them were classified and did not show at all a single photograph of the raised fragment, as if it were a terrible military secret. And I realized that we were simply being deceived. And I continued to ponder again - what was it really? A few months later I accidentally found out that Kursk was completely broken off right bow horizontal steering wheel. And I instantly guessed what was happening: after all, the form in terms of the feather of the bow rudder of Kursk has the form rectangular trapezoid!!
        But after all, the cabin of most American submarines also take the form rectangular trapezoid, unlike the longer and lower felling of most Russian submarines!
        That is - the Russian sailors of the cruiser Peter the Great simply confused the broken off feather of the Kursk rudder with the broken off cabin of the submarine! The fact is that by themselves, they discovered this object with the help of sonar - since the steel object very well reflects the sound in sea water. But the sonar, unlike the human eyes, does not allow viewing the subject so well, which is why an error occurred. Thus, you do not need to blame everyone for the death of Kursk Americans. Although they really were not too far from Russian ships, and watched them. But in fact, the cause of the death of Kursk is purely Russian fault.
    3. Lycan
      Lycan April 18 2018 09: 44
      Quote: Seaflame

      What is “obsolescence”? belay
      Something similar can be attributed to the retired deputy ... And what does the equipment have to do with it?
  2. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo April 17 2018 08: 29
    the author is simply not in the know details of the universal modernization of our airliners, one of the paramount tasks is to replace pop-up rescue chambers with the airliners themselves, located in the cabin on 949, 971 ave.
    1. al.schenaev
      al.schenaev April 17 2018 13: 45
      the commentator, too, forgot to indicate 945 and 945A projects.
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo April 17 2018 16: 02
        945 in suspended status, possibly cut (!)
  3. Operator
    Operator April 17 2018 11: 02
    The main thing is not rescue equipment, but the safety of the submarines themselves, achieved by constructive solutions.

    At the moment, all domestic nuclear submarines are floating coffins from the point of view of fire safety - directly through the bulkheads of the compartments pass electric cables in a combustible shell, hydraulic systems with a combustible liquid, air ducts, fuel and oil pipelines.

    In addition, since the industry was able to create a fully robotic unmanned Poseidon nuclear submarine, it can clearly create a manned nuclear submarine Husky with a minimum of crew (4 shifts of four people plus a doctor), which will be concentrated in a single residential compartment communicating with the rescue capsule.

    The strength of the guides of the rescue capsule and the power of the pyrotechnic pushers should be such that the capsule is guaranteed to separate from the submarine at any angle.

    Without these technical measures, all purchases of external rescue equipment will go down the drain - in the best case, purchases will ensure that submariners' corpses rise to the surface.
    1. al.schenaev
      al.schenaev April 17 2018 13: 44
      4 shifts of 4 people + doctor ??? Dear comrade, did you serve on a submarine?
      Let me remind you, if you don’t know, of the 705 board of the project, “automatic machines”, as they were called in the 6th diploma of military unit 30868.
      Officers from these steamboats came to our newly formed crew (945A), told a lot, and how the nachkhim sat on the steering wheels, and how this “machine gun” with a soapy back turned on.
      The idea is good, the crew is 17 people, the readiness to leave 30 minutes, and the military: and who will fight for survivability - the result, as they say, is 33 people in the face and 17 places for rest. Well, the industry doesn’t do “maintenance-free machines”. And if he does, then in a single copy.
      At Komsomolets, there was also a VSK, but the signalmen did not use it. She was somehow lost.
      And according to the article itself, the minus to the author, too, is not to see a submariner, but rather, he read a little from everywhere: RDU is a regenerative two-tier installation and no more imagination.
      ALS during my service (1999) was simply called AL.
      No B-64 plate will "hang".
      Yes, March 19 is the Day of the Submariner, and the article was written on April 7, the Day of Remembrance of the Navy, who died in peacetime. And this day was established precisely after the death of Komsomolets.
      Something like that.
    2. Robert Korsunsky
      Robert Korsunsky April 23 2018 19: 04
      Already now it is possible to create a full-fledged unmanned submarine made of composite materials equipped with a large number of missiles and torpedoes for various purposes with an atomic or hydrogen power plant. Such a platform can be on duty off the coast of a potential adversary for years.
  4. san4es
    san4es April 17 2018 11: 06
    hi Cinema for the evening

    Moment of Truth / Feb 3 2014 year
    1. domnich
      domnich April 17 2018 18: 38
      My younger brother in those years served on the nuclear submarine in those places. I don’t want to go into details (I didn’t communicate with eyewitnesses). The brother said that with K-429 everything was somehow different ... Now no longer ask, he passed away 5 years ago.
  5. geniy
    geniy April 17 2018 11: 44
    After a series of explosions on board, the atomic ship sank.

    Yes, there were no explosions at all in Kursk. This is a general misunderstanding. Everyone stupidly looks at the seismogram and sees two large humps on it - supposedly these are explosions. But actually this chart is seismogram! That is, he notes the vibrations of the seabed, and not at all the sound of the shock wave. And this seismogram is recorded by the Norwegian ground seismic stations! That is, Russia has its own seismic stations in that area, but they are much closer than the Norwegian ones, and Russian seismic stations could show clearer data. But the Norwegians openly published their entry, and our admirals kept the secret from the people, and the Russian one. And these two humps of seismograms are the fixing of Kursk’s blows to the seabed, and that means the shaking of the bottom, which the seismic stations caught, but not an explosion of ammunition. That is, Kursk gently approached the seabed, hit it, ricocheted slightly (that is, it jumped a couple of meters up and tens of meters in length and again fell to the seabed - that’s why there were two peaks, because the second peak happened after about a minute after the first one and is exactly equal in height to it, that is, it is a denial of an explosion of ammunition, because detonation from an explosion of one ammunition would hit all the others in a time of the order of a thousandth of a second, but certainly not for a whole minute or thirty seconds there.
    And Kursk submariners did not die instantly. Firstly, at the rear bulkhead of the 4th compartment lay a pile of dead bodies - many of them dressed in overalls. This means that after the explosion they managed to put on overalls and leave the third compartment in the fourth. And in order to just put on a wetsuit, having already taken it in hand, and not just to run to the closet and take out the wetsuit for dozens of people, it takes at least 4 minutes.
    And in addition, the investigation team hid the cruel truth from the Russian people: when Kursk was lifted from the bottom and put on the dock, suicide notes were found in all transverse bulkheads in the so-called glasses — about 40 in number. But the scoundrel investigators kept this secret.
  6. Operator
    Operator April 17 2018 17: 09
    Quote: al.schenaev
    Well the industry doesn’t do “maintenance free machines”

    Does - "Poseidon" is called.
  7. streltsovaleksander
    streltsovaleksander April 17 2018 17: 47
    The subject of diving dives is fully disclosed on the sites:
    "Advanced diving technology with UNLIMITED DIVE DEPTH ..."

    "An underwater anthropomorphic robot avatar, or why an underwater robot foot?"

    "Streltsov’s method of dismantling Fukushima emergency reactors"

    Well, the events in Kemerovo: ...

    Rescue services of all countries need CHEAP anthropomorphic avatar robots with high traffic. Then you don’t have to send people with cylinders of air to the fire to scout, as has already happened more than once:

    There are many rescue units in the country (in every town there is a fire station), therefore, avatar robots must be CHEAP - I emphasize this specifically. If robots are expensive (for a billion dollars each), then the country's budget is not enough to purchase and supply robots to each fire department. In addition, the robots are supposed to be operated in an emergency - a situation is possible, for example, in which a building collapses, a robot is crushed and burned - destroyed. Such a sad fact should not put too much burden on the budget. Those. Anthropomorphic avatar robots for EMERCOM purposes should be cheap and massive.

    Thus, we again return to controlling the avatar robot through the suspension mechanism described in patent No. 2134193 ru.

    Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin promised by 2016 to begin deliveries to the Ministry of Emergency Situations of avatar robots capable of seeing through fog (and probably through smoke):

    Now is 2018 ...
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 April 18 2018 15: 52
      Aviagra relocate
  8. realist
    realist April 17 2018 17: 52
    I'm certainly not a submariner, but! as it’s not right to build an underwater fleet without rescue equipment on and under water, it is urgent to develop organizational measures and technical means of rescue on water. elementary floating workshops should be on every submarine-based area, of course it’s difficult to keep a floating workshop near each apl on combat duty, but then you need to coordinate the actions of the surface fleet and the submarine, so that in the same area, at a distance of 150-200 miles, there is an underwater cruiser and some reconnaissance ship, communications? is it really impossible? all the more it is impossible to lose boats as they lost the Kursk!
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 April 17 2018 19: 51
      you can’t send a rescue ship for each submarine, therefore, the main direction should be the improvement of the design of the submarine and the capsule. There is a commune rescue vessel at the Black Sea Fleet, it can be upgraded, so there aren’t enough new rescuers only for the Northern Fleet, and one more in Kamchatka at the Pacific Fleet
      1. realist
        realist April 19 2018 07: 54
        I forgot what year the commune was built — it’s not new (and we need to think about the Mediterranean zone and the Atlantic), SF - everything is clear, Pacific Fleet - how many are there? one, two? probably you need to keep one rescue ship off the coast of the usa (east and west coast). Is it possible to use ocean rescue tugs of the type “Fotiy Krylov” / “Nikolay Chiker” or Jaguar / Bars for such purposes, are there any other similar foreign projects?
        1. water
          water April 22 2018 13: 20
          Quote: vladimir1155
          you can’t send a rescue ship for each submarine, therefore, the main direction should be the improvement of the design of the submarine and the capsule. There is a commune rescue vessel at the Black Sea Fleet, it can be upgraded, so there aren’t enough new rescuers only for the Northern Fleet, and one more in Kamchatka at the Pacific Fleet

          My friend! This year Commune will be 105 years old! Of course, the ship is good, strong, but perhaps it would be right to equip it with GVK of saturated dives and transfer it to the class of training ships.
          In your reflections, you are partly right - indeed, the Savior cannot be attached to each submarine. Indeed, for submarines, new constructive rescue devices are needed! Indeed, personal rescue capsules can be an effective tool for self-rescue of divers. They can, but not now. Now the crew of the nuclear-powered ship is a hundred people. Accordingly, a hundred rescue capsules even have nowhere to place. Life-saving capsules are the future. In order for their placement on the submarine to be expedient, we need automatic submarines with a displacement of 6-8 thousand tons, with a crew not exceeding 15-20 people.

          Although, it is known that the first rescue vessel was the Noah's Ark. Maybe find him and modernize !?
          1. realist
            realist April 24 2018 07: 58
            the ark was wooden - it is necessary to find and carry out modernization, it will not be necessary to demagnetize :)
            and as regards the Paris commune, I remember that it was under construction for a long time, of course, it must be transferred to the training unit, and then only for demonstration to first-year cadets, for real education you need to use the technique applied in fact.
  9. Dargavs
    Dargavs April 17 2018 23: 55
    As a rescue vessel specifically for distressed submarines, the most effective means of delivering rescue vehicles could be ekranoplanes. It seems that their similar application was written and the restoration of such projects was considered precisely for similar purposes. (delivery speed, all-weather, load capacity).
  10. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn April 18 2018 18: 23
    And what today does VVMU prepare PSS / ACC specialists?
    1. water
      water April 18 2018 23: 52
      They are preparing the shard that remained from VVMIOLU to them Dzerzhinsky. But cooking is not the right word. There is nothing and no one to train specialists on.
      1. Kudrevkn
        Kudrevkn April 19 2018 19: 58
        mercy. I myself am a graduate of Korfak VVMIOLU 1987, and therefore asked?
  11. water
    water April 18 2018 23: 57
    Strange article. The narration of the Author conflicts with the narration of the cited "expert." There are many words, but there is a shortage of thoughts. But the photos are beautiful.
    1. water
      water April 22 2018 13: 24
      At the same time, for some reason, none of these exaggerated "experts" even thinks of a simple question - certainly, the crew of the sunken boat should be saved! But, after all, the boat itself must be raised! Or again - abroad will help us !?
  12. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet April 19 2018 19: 53
    Quote: Megatron
    Another article with a bunch of lies. People were not specially saved so that no one could reveal the truth about the torpedoing of our American boat.

    +100500! And the British boat gave signals from the place to the accident, so that ours could find a place, otherwise they would be looking for another two years .. am
  13. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin April 22 2018 14: 09
    There is a problem and there are correct questions, but the solution of these issues will allow us to solve a larger problem - the development of the oceans, hydrocosmos, and this task is no less, and maybe more important, than space and flights to the top.
  14. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 23 2018 22: 27
    "The tragedy of the Kursk nuclear submarine was the last major disaster in the Russian nuclear fleet, revealing a large number of problems in the organization of search and rescue support (PSO) of the Russian Navy. The lack of modern vessels, the lack of the necessary diving equipment, and the imperfection of the organization of work were also revealed."but not the last accident. Our admirals from the fleet are always late, because they are afraid to take responsibility.